What sport do they even play
#esports-discussion
rare sonnet
rare sonnet
Oh ice hockey
gritty yacht
Their fans are like "It's okay, I mean it's okay. It's okay"
Pfff probably how Dallas Fuel fans feel right now
I mean it's all right
It's not great but like
It should be better, but it's okay.
gritty yacht
It's on the worse side of okay, haha.
It's not the okay side of okay
It's leaning toward the bad side of okay.
I really, really want them to take all their defecation, that's gotten on the walls, and I want them to put it into a backpack, so it's not everywhere.
Their defecation is everywhere, and they ought to get it together.
rare sonnet
I want fuel to cut Akm or Taimou, pick one
rare sonnet
Then pick up managachu or someone similar
gritty yacht
And they need to get their shit off the walls
rare sonnet
Then get another off tank
gritty yacht
I'd like having an angry Linkzr
pallid cargo
Effect legit needs help
pallid cargo
He seriously needs to focus on himself
gritty yacht
He clearly has trouble with anxiety or something.
If I were an OWL team I'd hire a sports psychologist full time, haha.
pallid cargo
Why haven't the Fuel done this already?
pallid cargo
They're going to be out of a Tracer now. Arguably the one that hard carried them.
gritty yacht
I've seen enough athletes say they've sought help from a sports psychologist, then seen their performance improve.
pallid cargo
Fuel plays Mayhem and the Boston next week.
gritty yacht
Romain Grosjean in Formula 1, he was labeled the "first lap nutcase", he started seeing a sports psychologist, and now he's the head of the "Grand Prix Driver's Association", the association that sees to it the drivers are safe every weekened.
pallid cargo
Effect needs time off.
pallid cargo
Forget the stage. It's clearly already over.
gritty yacht
Yeah, Dallas is a longshot for playoffs.
pallid cargo
Your players are depressed and tilted off the edge of the earth.
rare sonnet
Come back next stage effect
pallid cargo
Let them rest. Let them relax.
gritty yacht
Effect is unhappy, like, give him a vacay, haha, pay for it, tell him to go to the Maldives on your dime.
gritty yacht
Yeah.
I'll agree with you, that if the pay-in is 20m
Pay for like 3k to get the dude to a sports psychologist, please.
For his sake, and the teams.
pallid cargo
Let him talk to a psych. Let him take time off. Give a couple of games away.
He's been trying his hardest since the start of the season
gritty yacht
I agree, 100%, he can make a difference and be a huge asset, and he should be happy with his skillset.
But you're right, despite his talent it seems like he feels he isn't making a difference.
warped axle
It's hard to predict who will be in stage playoffs besides Boston and NYXL
There's a lot of 3-3 teams right now
gritty yacht
It is! You're right! I think that's only a good thing! Outside of the few bottom teams, there's a lot of parity in OWL.
pallid cargo
I do hope Valiant make it but their maps today make me doubt them
The first two maps were painful to watch
gritty yacht
Hmm, Valiant seems streaky, yeah.
warped axle
I don't see them beating Fusion or Boston
gritty yacht
Or they have preferred maps.
warped axle
They can beat Houston
pallid cargo
I don't think they could beat Fusion or Boston either. I just want to see them make it to a stage playoff.
pallid cargo
I don't think they could beat Boston
warped axle
If we see Philly like yesterday, maybe
pallid cargo
Fusion is a maybe
warped axle
But Philly in their prime, doubt ut
gritty yacht
Yeah when Philly brings it, they bring it.
pallid cargo
not in a playoffs environment though
warped axle
Yeah Valiant would get creamed in playoffs
pallid cargo
Philly in playoffs is a whole different beast than regular match Philly
gritty yacht
Philly seems like a momentum team, you know? If they're doingwell, they're doing well.
pallid cargo
Probably.
gritty yacht
But if they aren't, they're uh, they seem easy to topple, haha
pallid cargo
I don't think Valiant could compete well in a playoff environment but I want to see them try.
warped axle
Boston taking it all would make the narrative way more interesting
pallid cargo
Boston could for sure take it all.
warped axle
They could actually go 10-0 this stage
gritty yacht
It will be interesting, in the playoffs. I grew up on hockey and I seen some shit, Carolina won the Stanley Cup in 2006, what?!
rare sonnet
Boston gonna set a winstreak
gritty yacht
Man I think Philly has the roster, that if they make the playoffs, they can go hecka deep.
Philly is a momentum team, from my perspective.
pallid cargo
I'd have to agree.
gritty yacht
It's very exciting, isn't it? Haha
Props to Blizzard for producing an exciting e-sports league.
It's really genuinely engaging.
warped axle
Philly keeps all sports interesting
pallid cargo
Props to all the teams for stepping up the game.
warped axle
Fly Fusion Fly
gritty yacht
Haha, yeah don't they @warped axle!
rare sonnet
I think mobas suck to watch, I have no idea why they’re popular
pallid cargo
Plenty of teams taking the best team in the league to game 5s.
vivid solar
MOBAs are fine when you understand the game
gritty yacht
even in hockey, the Flyers have one of the loudest fanbases, but god damn it they also have on the smartest fanbases.
A Flyer's fan can, generally, tell you in detail why your team lost.
Without bias.
warped axle
From what I've heard, Overwatch is actually one of the harder esports to watch if you don't play the game
gritty yacht
Philly has a pretty smart sports market, as a dude with two Pittsburgh Penguin's jerseys, I don't wanna say that.
warped axle
There's just a lot to take in
rain pewter
i'd say it's easy to take in on a surface level
gritty yacht
There really is.
rain pewter
but you can't really go in depth
gritty yacht
Overwatch is so active, there's so much going on.
pallid cargo
Each hero has several unique mechanics.
rare sonnet
It’s an FPS though, the most popular casual genre
warped axle
Watching a Genji blade
rain pewter
eh, those things just take some getting used to i say
gritty yacht
WHAT IS THE TOVENASTEIN?!
warped axle
Seeing Tracer go nuts
rare sonnet
When I got people to watch that barely know esports, they couldn’t stand it when they spectated genji players
rain pewter
but more importantly you won't understand the strategy
everyone knows how hype it is to see widow pop some heads in mid air
gritty yacht
Yeah, positioning is so big in OW.
rare sonnet
I think genji should be spectated third person but trihards complained
pallid cargo
A lot of the terms the casters use, as well.
gritty yacht
For a casual observer not understanding the root of what makes players excel can be confusing.
pallid cargo
Dive, rotation, economy
pallid cargo
The concept of dive is the essence of this entire season so far
gritty yacht
If you don't know what a dive is, what the hell does that mean?
Minty, I think you're right!
rain pewter
ult economy's easy to understand if you come off esports like moba and FGC
warped axle
The concept of feeding is also strange
rain pewter
rotation somewhat if you're MOBAs
pallid cargo
The concept of a hard reset.
gritty yacht
Like a 90 second preamble before matches to explain the strats would help viewership.
rain pewter
dive tho?
vivid solar
ult economy should make perfect sense to most people that understand games
vivid solar
Almost all multiplayer games have some sort of "economy"
gritty yacht
Well, I think Ult economy in OW is different. A Pulse Bomb is different than a Valkyrie.
warped axle
Outside of Mobas I'd say there's nothing quite like ult economy
rain pewter
eh, i don't think it's that different from a MOBA
pallid cargo
Coalescence is a powerful-looking ult, but in reality it's not that game changing.
gritty yacht
True, @rain pewter, there are a lot of analogies, but how is the new viewer supposed to know that Pulse Bomb is blaise and a Valkyrie can be fight turning?
pallid cargo
Some ults which look weak are actually game changing.
rain pewter
i think that comes with the part of it being an FPS
rare sonnet
Valk isn’t the same anymore
pallid cargo
Some opening picks are more important than others.
gritty yacht
Oh yeah, Pulse Bomb is a great example. Whiffing a Pulse versus getting two picks off of it is huge.
rain pewter
MOBA's top down and the action isn't nearly as fast paced in terms of regular movement
pallid cargo
Zoning Ults, using one ult to force out another
gritty yacht
Yeah! Like Self-destruct, if you're silver, is a killer ult.
pallid cargo
A lot of it is advanced OW-specific gamespeak.
gritty yacht
But in the high skill floor meta, it's a clear.
warped axle
But the hardest part of watching Overwatch is that all of these concepts are happening fast, and you only get a limited perspective and numbers to see what's actually happening. If we had a top down map the game would be march easier to spectate.
gritty yacht
Haha and we can just, casually chat about something else, and take it in.
pallid cargo
The toughest part of watching OWL as a random observer has to be all the abilities.
vivid solar
all esports that aren't CSGO have this issue
gritty yacht
Yeah, true. 26 heroes, each with at least four abilities.
vivid solar
it's not super unique
gritty yacht
All of which are vital in different situations.
It does seem like they're catering to an audience, with how it's presented.
The layman is lost!
pallid cargo
Even in comp TF2, all the movement is pretty.... normal. It's just flying around.
In OW, you have wallclimbing, double jumping, wallriding, jetpack, Guardian Angel
and tons more.
warped axle
Comp TF2 actually has some of the most complex movement out if any game I've seen
gritty yacht
How much of that is on us, though? LIke how much of that is on the people who watch OWL and talk about this stuff, to inform the layman viewer?
warped axle
Except maybe Smite
pallid cargo
Comp TF2 has complex movement but it's easy for an observer to follow with little experience in tf2.
Shoot rocket at feet > Jump off of blast
gritty yacht
I do think Blizzard has a responsibility to promote Overwatch, and OWL, but as fans, can't we like, do that too?
rain pewter
valve tried to do a newbie casting approach with dota
warped axle
Agreed, though it looks simpler than it is
pallid cargo
shoot stickies, jump off of blast
rain pewter
they had a regular stream for all the hardcores
and a newbie casting stream for the new folks
gritty yacht
That's a good idea.
rain pewter
hard to say how successful it was
gritty yacht
Have a stream for people who are new.
rain pewter
most of the viewers are still the hardcore fans
pallid cargo
There's several mechanics in OW that aren't explained in the broadcast, too.
rain pewter
or maybe most of the new folks didn't even know about the newbie stream
pallid cargo
McCree's roll reloads
gritty yacht
If it gets 5k viewiers a stream and 200 tune into OWL and can understand it, that's a boon.
pallid cargo
Genji's dash reset upon elim
vivid solar
You can't explain these things every broadcast
vivid solar
It would get very repetitive for the regular viewers
gritty yacht
I agree, and if you do it early, the people who tune in 15 minutes prior already know.
pallid cargo
There's a lot of mechanics that make it difficult for an outside observer to follow. That's the discussion we're having.
pallid cargo
Obviously an overwhelming majority play and understand these things.
gritty yacht
That's the discussion.
I wear an Overwatch toque and when people are like "oh damn overwatch", I'm like, yo, Overwatchleague.com
Check it out
pallid cargo
If an outsider just saw the high viewcount broadcast on Twitch and tuned in during a game it would be very diffficult to discern a lot of what was going on.
gritty yacht
Hmm, you know you're right.
We, the people in this discord are on board
I mean, duh, we went out of our way to join a Discord about Overwatch
But in terms of getting the layman fan, the person who plays two hours of Overwatch week, how is OWL relative to them?
Like we all get it, we can see people on high ground and be like "oh we have to secure high ground for an advantage", we get heroes and counter-heroes
But the cat who's like "I like Bastion, I just got Silver"
How is OWL relevant to them?
pallid cargo
It isn't. And it doesn't really have to be.
I assume you use reddit since this is the r/Overwatch discord server
pallid cargo
I assume you've seen the COUNTLESS threads asking Blizz for a full PvE mode?
The many people who post saying they don't play OW unless there's a PvE event in rotation?
Those people don't care about comp
They wouldn't care about OWL
gritty yacht
Uhm, different audiences, you know?
pallid cargo
They don't even care about normal OW, probaly.
gritty yacht
I don't know if OWL is catering to the people who are like
"I want this skin"
Either way, huge success, haha
120k viewiers for a Saturday match?!
Bonkers.
gritty yacht
To give you an idea, Florida Panthers games, an NHL team, on Fox Sports South, they'll average like, 50k viewers.
OWL is a big deal, those ratings are really big for e-sports.
rain pewter
but there are geographical differences
gritty yacht
They're not hitting 1m, but give it time.
rain pewter
50k viewers for florida itself
gritty yacht
Yes, of course, OWL is global, and NHL is regional.
rain pewter
vs 120k viewers worldwide
gritty yacht
It's all the people who have Fox Sports South and NHL Centre Ice.
rain pewter
right
either way, it's not as if people up there in canada gets access to fox sports south generally
gritty yacht
Haha, well, I mean, if you live in Canada and are a Panthers fan, you tune in on NHL Centre Ice.
Which, by the way, despite the markets, firmly believe there are more Florida Panthers fans in Canada than Florida, haha.
rain pewter
won't be surprised if that's the case
florida's not particularly known for being a sports region
grizzled trout
Waitttt
gritty yacht
Man if a sports team dwells in medocrity, close the playoff bubble but not making it
People lose interest
rain pewter
eh, there's always still the hardcore fans who stay longer regardless of just results
what's important is the decisions they make
gritty yacht
True.
rain pewter
like what's happening to dallas
rain pewter
marlins basically did a fire sale btw
gritty yacht
Chicago Blackhawks
rain pewter
so most of their star players are gone now
gritty yacht
New ownership and they're a powerhouse
rain pewter
which is why there's been quite an exodus of what little fanbase the marlins have
or maybe they just migrated to tampa
gritty yacht
I live in Seattle, haha
Seahawks doing well?
SEAHAWKS FEVER HOLY HEEEEEEEEEEEEECK
Seahawks not doing well? Meh.
Yo as someone who works in restaurants, heck all ya all who come in during playoffs
Order two beers and an apptizer
And sit at my table for three hours
And leave a 15% tip
Ya all get straight to heck!
onyx shore
that hug between effect and houston outlaws,i think we're seeing effect slowly turning heel
gritty yacht
I'm going to my van, I live in Washington state, you figure out what that means, haha.
🔥
pearl stratus
@onyx shore I think Jake just gets it. Effect looked so frustrated and mad there and went to shake hands.
And Jake was like "Nah dude. You need a hug. I get it."
Twitter
Effect taking a break.
Bye Dallas.
Meanwhile Seoul and Shanghai are having barbeques.
And not inviting other people.
hidden vault
Asians
pearl stratus
Nah. The real backstory is that Shanghai had brought a cake over for Gido and Miros birthday.
And Seoul had them over for dinner to say thanks,
WholesomeWatch.
brisk roost
Will Shadder2k ever join OWL?
pearl stratus
More like Shadderwhok.
brisk roost
I wanna see him vs SDB
pearl stratus
So battle of the benches?
pearl stratus
I think after this season you won't see as many picks from the ladder anymore.
You'll see them coming from real teams in tournaments, and contenders.
onyx shore
if effect is taking a break
pearl stratus
Jjonak is really the only ladder pick that worked out.
onyx shore
will akm play tracer for them
onyx shore
yeah,he hates playing her
pearl stratus
I think Effect needs the break.
As WholesomeWatch as his hug with Jake was.
He looks just... burnt.
pearl stratus
It was heart breaking because like.. Effect legit leaned into that hug.
Jakes like "I get it. Dallas fuel. I got you. Hug it out."
onyx shore
i can't imagine akm on tracer,but that mean seagull will probably play genji
pearl stratus
On the other side, minus Volskaya Houston looked really polished.
I like Coolmatt becoming this control specialist.
Also I like this new trend of teams having multiple tracer players.
Because the DPS comps you can make are just baffling.
Fuck the comments lmao. "I didn't know Jake was so tall and Effect was so short."
"All the carrying damaged his back"
hidden vault
Since aKm does hitscan and hie is good at tracking too
Tracer is great for him
I bet seagull would be the better genji compared to aKm
pearl stratus
I bet I would be a better Genji for Dallas than AKM.
Just give me like 5 or 6 AKMs to get warmed up.
onyx shore
or they can go full dallas fuel,put akm on tracer,and make harryhook play soldier
pearl stratus
I mean Chips actually played really well tonight, and Unkoe is still off being a salty bagette.
sweet canopy
Just got the 100 token bonus. I wonder which skin to get
supple prism
spin the wheel
cerulean plume
nah could be worse, you could have valiants or floridas colors
sweet canopy
Nah I reckon they're better
slim summit
Boston is my least favorite as well
sweet canopy
Bright blue and yellow is so icky
inland lantern
Does it look good on Pharah
onyx shore
agreed,boston's blue is too bright
depends on the heroes maybe,i personally use outlaws on moira because her skins are mostly crap
slim summit
not using bowie
onyx shore
that's the worst,it makes her looks like rupaul dragrace contestant
slim summit
what I don't understand about Fuel is
everyone is unhappy and wants a better team
but if that's the case
either a) something other than the players is holding the players back
or b) none of them deserve a better team
if they wanna stop losing, they should stop being emos, play the matches they signed up to play
torpid charm
onyx shore
@slim summit mix of everything probably
xqc suspension,kyky unability to headcoach the team,hastro's meddling,lack of synergy & support from management team
akm's toxicity,rascal's culture clash
hidden vault
Remove all of them
onyx shore
at this point i guess the rift between members already big
hidden vault
I mean you left Hastr0 and aKm
onyx shore
hard reset is an option,but it feelsbadman
i forgot which map,seagull tried to explain things to unkoe but unkoe just shrugs him off leaving seagull very frustrated
slim summit
it just seems fucked up to me that so many of the players on the team
want to play with a more coordinated & higher skilled team
and they can't just look at each other and say "what if we just try to make this work"
they don't have the best lineup in the league
but they should be beating Shock
onyx shore
this team at the start of stage 1 should be at least top 6
if we look at custa,he plays better and looks happier now that he's in valiant
and boy,if effect is really taking a break next week,this team is fucked unless seagull on genji can somehow solo carry them
slim summit
holy fuck what
if this exists i am gonna pull my hair out
i've been manually logging matches for months
...
forest raven
BELLUM FIGHTING
torpid charm
Dallas? just throw the whole team away
torpid charm
wow, I just checked and mans is really taking a break. goodbye Dallas
those tweets, ah, I cry. poor Effect
scarlet spear
not like it will change much, except effect maybe getting into a better mental position and SHD maybe having a shot at winning a match without effect (which i would still doubt)
torpid charm
I hope he's good in the long run
red anvil
i helped document that api early on
it's alright but not much use
unless you just want info about the teams
slim summit
it's got the whole match history
I'm writing a script now to do two things:
- calculate which teams are mathematically eliminated from title matches / finals
- ideally run a simple elo implementation to get very rough probabilities so it can estimate which "path to the playoffs" is most likely
just because there will be far, far, far more than 1 possibility for each team factoring in tiebreaker conditions
IDK, I need to think it through a bit to see what the most useful way to articulate that data is
sweet canopy
Can Spitfire still progress to the next phase?
slim summit
they can still make top 4 this stage, if that's what you mean
won't be terribly likely though
sweet canopy
They're facing a bit of a wall, right?
slim summit
well, Glads, Shock, Seoul, and Shanghai are their remaining matches
I'd say they're likely to win all 4
sweet canopy
Good thing Profit specialises in fighting walls 
slim summit
but winning all 4 only puts their series record at 6-4
so they're already below Boston
if Valiant wins a series, they're #3
if Valiant and NYXL win a series, they're #4
and if both of those happen and Shock wins 2 series or Glads win 3 series or Seoul wins 3 series or Philly wins 3 series or Houston wins 3 series
map differential will matter
sweet canopy
So they're in for a chance
Maybe I'll support them instead
They're got a sick colour scheme too
I reckon Philadelphia Fusion has the best colour scheme. Shanghai Dragons too
Wait, Dynastry is sick af
Why do the skins in OWL look different to the skins for the teams for purchase?
sweet canopy
Ah gotcha
slim summit
away skins are white with the team's primary color as accents
home skins are the team's primary color with secondary / tertiary colors as accents
sweet canopy
For Spitfire the away looks way better
slim summit
so depending on the match, they'll be in the in-game OWL skins or they'll be in the away skins
well, the good news is that they may be adding away skins for purchase
they'll let you get 1 away skin for each team right now (on specific heroes for each team, you don't get to choose) if you buy the Twitch All Access pass
but IMO that's just an indication that they're going to allow them to be purchased in other ways in the future
slim summit
seems reasonable
sweet canopy
Do you have a team you support?
fresh turret
I support Houstoooöooooon
hazy arrow
warped axle
balmy wolf
Why does Effect continue to play for DF if he looks so unhappy with everything going on atm
slim summit
because contracts
also generally speaking it's wise to have a new job secured before quitting your current job
onyx shore
contracts,and transfer window is already closed
torpid charm
unless he gets released, there's nothing he can really do cause he has to get paid.
paper crag
And not get sued
Or just charged money
I do hope DF pulls things together or Effect leaves ASAP
Playing on a team that makes him feel like he needs to go “screw it, I have to do this alone” is probably making him worse the longer he stays in it
onyx shore
makes me want that april fools tweet of effect joining seoul dynasty be reality
torpid charm
honestly
limber pine
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strong crescent
oof rip young and beautiful
also @limber pine dark sided vs noc predators is still "today", albeit late.
tight vault
strong crescent
i'm pretty sure na contender finals already happened
scarlet spear
as usual theres no fuckin info anywhere
nah finals havent happened i think
the contenders webpage is fuckin shit
tight vault
do people care about contenders?
scarlet spear
finals just say "TBD"
for N
NA
oh semi finals are still happening
but no info when its played
pearl stratus
This is a solid interview, and shows that xQc can be a much more useful person when he's away from his Twitch Chat.
He makes a really good point about how so many benched players will never be played, dusty old toys in a box he calls them. And they should use them as some random people to join the desk here and there and give a lot of interesting new perspectives.
And thats actually a really smart idea.
Cocco, IDDQD, etc. Just random desk appearances to stir things up like using Reinforce.
scarlet spear
@vagrant niche just remembered, afaik all EU & NA contenders from semi finals is played on LAN in katowice, so theres no set date on when its played exactly yet
that would be a great idea actually
just have them be there with some commentary from them
vagrant niche
@scarlet spear well i remember last week
scarlet spear
can't be worse than having dumbzz sitting at the table
vagrant niche
they were like
pearl stratus
Yeah, and its something that you can do all over the place. There's like.. 115 players in the league.
vagrant niche
see you next time on Poland
pearl stratus
You could always find someone new.
scarlet spear
yeah
vagrant niche
but when is that?
scarlet spear
the playoffs for EU are going right now
vagrant niche
they never said when
scarlet spear
its TBD
theres no date yet
altho semi finals for EU are saturday 12th may
so i imagine NA is at the same time
vagrant niche
that's really far away
scarlet spear
yup
scarlet spear
korean semifinals were today, the finals are in 26 days now
so even further off
contendies is a lot more casual, most of these players are either underage or working on the side, guess they have to see when the dates align for players to get there ¯_(ツ)_/¯
and i'd imagine the players need their visas for poland aswell
scarlet spear
yeh
pearl stratus
So most of them aren't even people yet.
Which means it takes a lot more time to herd them.
sullen berry
you're basically fully invested come OW League, which isn't really possible if you look at the roster absentees for players still on a team from their sick leave/breaks
regal stratus
So jus curious, wtf happened to iddqd lmfao
pearl stratus
Bad hero pool compared to his teammates who are better than him at them.
Is the tl;dr.
regal stratus
That makes perfect sense lol.
Lol funny dhaK is shock captain, haven’t really seen him as of late.
pearl stratus
OWL is basically proving right now you have two DPS. One with a hero pool of 3 heroes, Short Mid Long Hitscan (Tracer/Mcree/Widow), and then one of everything else.
Or you do the overlapping tracer method.
where you get a projectile Tracer and a hitscan Tracer.
I.E: LAG or Houston.
Dhak apparently settled into a team dad role behind the scenees.
torpid charm
once Moth came in Dhak was out, same thing with Super and Nomy
pearl stratus
Which is fine, Moth is better than him.
torpid charm
Dhak is the oldest on the team, aka Daddy Dhak
regal stratus
@pearl stratus ah so kinda like a player coach. But not actually a player coach haha. And ya moth is much better and nomy needed to be shifted from starter to back up. Thank god for super haha
torpid charm
yes, thank mr super
regal stratus
Lol super actually got like 42 sec counted on doomfist the other day. Lmfao
scarlet spear
they are that bad
regal stratus
Def that bad.
But they are noticeably improving.
Mostly just chemistry holding them back at this point in my opinion any way
torpid charm
they're like an almost dead animal, there are signs of life every now and then, but basically dead
magic cloud
They've lost like every game and I find that unbelievable how you could
scarlet spear
they're a mess
started out with a shitty corrupt head coach, questionable signings, no strats except let your main tank jump in and feed and hope your DPS pops off in the meantime, then they released a couple players and their head coach, restructured, added some koreans, now they have a lot better roster and new coaches etc, but have a big language barrier and barely any scrim time so far as a team
it'll take a bit before they get their first win
torpid charm
that stupid ass strat, omg.
regal stratus
@magic cloud they have had problem after problem. From player drama to coach drama.
Kinda shits on moral after a while haha
hot compass
i read that its june
magic cloud
Im just waiting for a winner to buy some league skins
Ain't about to get no fucking losers
And by buy I mean get the two skins you get for free
torpid charm
get Fusion skins
magic cloud
Losers
hot compass
get shanghai skins
regal stratus
One more week of stage 3 I believe then its stage four. After that is the final playoffs.
hot compass
they are sure to win
torpid charm
everyone is a loser at some point sooooo 
magic cloud
How long can you have the same 8 teams fight each other lmao
regal stratus
SF skins ftw.
torpid charm
hell no
regal stratus
You get one of each team if you sign up for the pro pass thing.
brisk roost
Lmfao
regal stratus
Val and spitfire skins look like shit imo
regal stratus
I jus don’t like the blue of spitfire haha
torpid charm
that Glad purple is so nice
tight vault
is anyone wathching contenders
cerulean plume
Yah gotta go for orgless
tight vault
1-1
scarlet spear
orgless gonna do it
tight vault
on map 5 now lul
cerulean plume
It's impossible not to root for someone named orgless and hungry
tight vault
last nights leftovers
tight vault
thats my childs name now
regal stratus
I wish i was watching. 😦 at work atm haha. Who’s playing/winning?
scarlet spear
yup CIS won
scarlet spear
scarlet spear
done
i think australian contenders is in a couple hours
not sure tho
yeh in 10 hrs
hidden vault
I realised Hastro didn't explain the trade between Unkoe and Custa in his AMA
can anyone confirm this?
scarlet spear
they traded
what is there to confirm?
custa was asked if he wanted to, he wanted to so they traded ?
regal stratus
Custa wanted more play time.
hidden vault
Hastro didn't explain the reason behind the trade
wasn't chips and custa the main starting line for Dallas?
or was it Harryhook?
nvm
hidden vault
being toxic is pretty bad for a team
regal stratus
Everyone but Mickie wants the fuck out Dallas haha
hidden vault
Only seagull and effect right?
regal stratus
Ya it is bad for a team. Worse if its the whole team a lol
hidden vault
Anyways hope the original EnvyUs team does well
Though it's not the same without kyky
regal stratus
Kyky is assist. On Huston now I believe
rapid bobcat
pine sets his resolution to 1600x900 
regal stratus
@scarlet spear ah i see. There was someone in here the other day swearing up and down he got signed haha so I believed him
regal stratus
Lol
regal stratus
Cause pine is god of the quick head click. Hm or jjonak hahah
regal stratus
True true, Still clicking heads tho
pearl stratus
I mean Geguri's sense is set to like
"Crack head"
It's crazy across the board how different it is
regal stratus
Ya that sense lets her eat EVERYTHING with matrix tho. She’s been crazy with that shit. Hope her and Shanghai pop off soon. Even if it is to little too late
pearl stratus
I mean communication does look better - now the bigger one is fixing support positioning.
regal stratus
Fuck that upsets me about kyky, i was really hoping he was in Huston haha. Watching him pull them to the finals would have been great.
@endoken RIGHT!!!!there support looked like they decided bronze lvl positioning is the way to go haha.
fresh turret
There is a reason for the term "Freekill"
regal stratus
But that’s really jus practice. I think Shanghai will get one, maybe two in stage 4. They should restructure for season 2 tho, keep Ado, Diya, Geguri and Sky. Rebuild from there.
Lol maybe see if shock wants to get rid of iddqd
Also i wanna be jjonak when i grow up too haha
pseudo viper
shanghai is prob gonna win one before fuel at this rate lol
regal stratus
Fuel=dumpster fire
pseudo viper
yup
naive dawn
scarlet spear
mickie/arc/custa could be serious contenders
regal stratus
Or S4, maybe jake? Gaaahhha idk haha
Ya Mickie and custa are the stand out favs to me....
pseudo viper
what is dennis hawkella award
regal stratus
An award to honour Dennis “INTERNETHULK” Hawkella. Awarded to the player with the most positive impact on the league
scarlet spear
internethulk, died last year and was a standout member of the OW community, they made the dennis hawelka (his name) award for being an outstanding member of the league
warped axle
Ark
torpid charm
limber pine
Jake's Tracer is not bad
torpid charm
he's gotten better, thank goodness
inner shuttle
No owl on Sunday?
balmy wolf
owls are active during night
inner shuttle
Ha
brisk roost
There's no OWL on Sundays
Only Wednesday - Saturday
Only time OWL will be held on a Sunday if it's a stage playoff
lethal plank
There was OWL on Sunday
In Asia it was Sunday yesterday
In Japan 5am was the first game. Didn't wake up fast enough for the first map
Also btw if you are on console and linked your account and you have PC too, you get points on both platforms.
I assume if you have all 3 versions you can make triple points
torpid charm
I've been watching on my console with my account linked and all but no points sadly
limber pine
I think tokens have been broken all week
but I think you still get them despite them not showing on the twitch page
rare sonnet
I don’t want the winners of the league to also win the best players awards and etc
Takes away from the individual awards
slim summit
it would make sense to me that the best teams have the best players
and that the best players are most deserving of player awards
but !tmobilemvp is gonna be a joke regardless
strong parrotBOT
Overwatch League - Season 1 - Stage 3
short vault
is taimou ok??
rare sonnet
Wtf are these
torpid charm
that was the only game I missed on Saturday
ornate fossil
pearl stratus
MFW: Effect takes a break so Taimou tries to give himself a stroke so he doesn't have to play for Dallas without him.
mental kelp
it's the bathroom situation all over again
torpid charm
Taipoo
rare sonnet
I wish players would stop giving up on OW World Cup just because they don’t want their ego hurt
Really sad to see they aren’t proud to represent their country
Also makes the competition less interesting because I don’t know the players
Dafran and Kabaji need to man up
pearl stratus
Super interesting video, weird to see Soons perspective on a few things.
Soon doesn't super like competition for a starter spot, which I can understand, but a lot of the other team realizes the competition keeps people more focused/grinding.
shy wind
You know
I didn't think genji hitbox was needed
until I saw some random moments of where his hitblox is legit broken when it comes to hitbox
fresh turret
I haven't gotten a notification for OWL tokens since they started being obtainable in my country
Even though I have obtained 49 of them
fresh turret
Well the token drops seem to be broken too so makes sense I guess
onyx shore
@rare sonnet well,nobody should be forced to represent their own country,if they don't want to,it's their choice
just don't let the 2016 owwc "my hands are cold" incident get repeated
lmao
hazy arrow
That moment when 3 players on your team got over 40 kills and yet your team still loses #FeelsBadMan
red anvil
Clockwork was never a tracer specalist, he just played it because he was a hitscan
Mendo is not a tracer specalist either, he is a flex player - he'll play whatever is required, when he is not struggling with stuffs.
fresh turret
what is he struggling with actually?
red anvil
uh everything more or less, https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/8av35k/oversight_podcast_mendo_takes_his_time/dx260je/?context=3
heavy meteor
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Region : SEA
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Please DM me for details
fresh arrow
probably better to post that in #old-gameplay-advice or #lf-players-na
@heavy meteor
fresh arrow
good luck!
silk linden
So, all but guaranteed we see Seagull/akm next week right?
I wonder who's the better Tracer
Probably akm right now, as seagull probably hasn't grinded hitscan dps in a while
red anvil
i'm not sure how to interpret effects comments, we'll just have to wait and see
akm is the better tracer but trash
silk linden
Effect says he's taking a break, that's gotta mean he's not playing next week.
Or he's like, playing but skipping scrims, which is idiotic
red anvil
I mean, it wouldn't really change the outcome of the matches anyway
silk linden
Well yeah but since there's nothing to lose I'm just curious to see them do stuff
Let's be real I just wanna see Seagull play
rapid bobcat
Yeah do something bro, gang signs, fucking blow a rape whistle what the fuck is wrong with you
paper crag
Plot twist: DF gets their first win in a long time with AKM/Mickie DPS with Seagull on D.Va
Seriously though, if DF is to get a win in the remaining two weeks, Mayhem seems to be the only remotely realistic one at this point
And not even that realistic
The other three games are Fusion, BU, and NYXL
onyx shore
have you seen mayhem playing with sayaplayer,when they subbing in logix for tviq,they got even stronger
that team is clearly stronger than DF
oh boy,if akm gonna play tracer,let's hope he wont set another record
lul
red anvil
i wouldn't be too sure about mayham win, the houston match was closer then i expected
pearl stratus
It was closer, but then they struggled decently against shanghai and really had to be saved by some insane Logix R66 play.
vestal berry
Are there 4 or 5 stages in total?
green gate
Shanghai dragons literally havent won a single match lol...
lament dune
That's why people root for them
They deserve a win. They aren't bad, they just have communication issues.
green gate
Well they certainly are better than everyone on this server
silk linden
I'm a better English speaker than them
I could communicate better with 80% of the league
torpid charm
@vestal berry 4 stages
vestal berry
Aight thanks
silk linden
You just gotta know the rule of communication in OW as xQc explains them. It's always:
- hero
- location
- status
Lucio small pack purple
Though sometimes they say the status before the location
balmy wolf
Dallas is going from bad gameplay to bad health
Taimou getting panic and anxiety attacks and then effect getting burnt out and mentally stressed
monkaS
sharp cliff
the entire team needs to be reworked
red anvil
Dallas is a mess in every way, but they are good enough to get upsets
sharp cliff
aKm is garbage
taimou is washed up
seagull plays dva now
they have a dps problem also
red anvil
as long as they can force hitscan heroes AKM is fine
sharp cliff
even on hitscan, aKm hogs resources to be good
he only does well with a mercy pocket and constant matrix and other peeling
balmy wolf
The problem with AKM is that the heroes he plays are not dominant in the meta
Soldier and McCree are what he was known for
sharp cliff
he's a soldier one trick
balmy wolf
His Widow is incomparable to the other widows on the league
balmy wolf
Not true, his McCree was quite good back in Rogue
sharp cliff
back in rouge, not now
sharp cliff
not good enough to compete against other dps players
balmy wolf
Yeah
sharp cliff
he's just not a good player overall, especially when the character he one tricks is out of the meta
and he won't be in the next
sharp cliff
the other characters he plays aren't nearly as good as his 76
he can only play 76, and MAYBE mcree if he's going well that day
even if he could play mcree as well as his 76, he's still not a valuable player
just do effect + seagull like you said
aKm needs to be released
balmy wolf
He seems to be a very arrogant person as well
I heard he demanded to be put on a starting position
sharp cliff
yeah, he has a mentality that does not need to be on a team as broken as dallas
dallas needs better supports and dps
chips isn't that good
unkoe and harry are great
fresh arrow
chips isn't good in this meta
bring back ana, and he'd pop off
chips was retained, probably in the hopes that ana would come back
silk linden
Are you saying he's a support main who's only good at 1 support out of 6
fresh arrow
well, it's not like we also have players who are only good at mercy
silk linden
Jjonak and jehong were Ana mains too
fresh arrow
it's okay to be a one trick only if they're meta
silk linden
But they can play other supports just as well
fresh arrow
i bet no one here would get pissy over aKm being a soldier one trick if soldier was meta
fresh arrow
ehh
silk linden
It's better to have a 9/10 on like 5 heroes than a 10/10 on 2
fresh arrow
it depends on what the heroes are
if your heroes are meta then there are more opportunities for you to shine
if you're niche af then good luck praying to blizz
silk linden
Well the meta changes, don't complain if your main becomes outdated
red anvil
People was beating on AKM when solider was meta :p
silk linden
Adapt and evolve
fresh arrow
chips definitely isn't complaining on the bench
idk why people are so quick to call him washed up
silk linden
Yeah but you're making excuses for him
silk linden
Saying "let's wait for Ana to become meta again" is disingenuous
fresh arrow
he gets paid, he's happy, who cares
red anvil
and as a flex support your expected to have a top tier zen and ana
silk linden
Might as well say "let's wait for symm to become meta so that Stevoo can join OWL"
red anvil
theres no really option to just wait for a hero to be meta in the OWL
silk linden
Yeah
fresh arrow
custa himself said that chips is better at zen than he is
which is why he (custa) was on mercy
red anvil
and custa is a lucio mercy now
silk linden
Then he better learn to speak up
red anvil
so that really dont say much
fresh arrow
custa was a zen main
silk linden
"he's a silent leader" fuck that
red anvil
"was"
balmy wolf
Chips is definitely one of the best Ana’s in the world
red anvil
kariv is good yes, but not any better then the avarage league zen
balmy wolf
He can compete with Jehong for sure
fresh arrow
unkoe was flex support when he was still on valiant probably because he was a dick about it and wouldn't accommodate
silk linden
Custa's communication skills make him valuable even when he's not playing his best heroes. That's way better than being "one of the best anas in the league"
You know who has raw skills? Everyone in owl
You know who has good comms? Everyone but Dallas and Shanghai
fresh arrow
i don't think it really matters when he's the benched support
unkoe is the flex support now
silk linden
Yeah it's what I'm saying, that's why he's benched
red anvil
it matters when he gets released and no one wants him
silk linden
Nah he's still chips
fresh arrow
nah i don't think any OWL team is really at the point of releasing their bench
red anvil
there will be a lot of released players after s1
silk linden
With the league expansion, there's always gonna be a place for players of that caliber
red anvil
benched players mainly ofc
balmy wolf
Not true, If Grim wasn’t going to be an assistant coach in Valiant, they would’ve released him
fresh arrow
i think assistant coach was the first option, then bench
balmy wolf
No
fresh arrow
i really don't think that they'd release him
balmy wolf
Because they needed space for Bunny
red anvil
they would
balmy wolf
So they were going to release him
silk linden
Bench players themselves might ask to be released if they can't find a team, to make themselves available. It's what Envy did
red anvil
From Rascal it sounded like it was mutual agreement
the official announcement said he was released
so idk
i am confused
balmy wolf
I don’t think rascal wanted to be released
Idk though, all the pros said he was toxic
red anvil
you really gota stop listening to rumers
not all pros said he was toxic
akm and winz said he was toxic
fctfctn claimed he was toxic, but admitted he fucked up and it was not true
balmy wolf
Custa said he was toxic too
red anvil
no custa said he dident fit the team
onyx shore
dude
the pros saying rascal is toxic are akm and winz
both are ex-rogue players,which are known to be toxic players themselves
balmy wolf
Alright whatever
Idc
All I know is that Dallas need new players or they are screwed
onyx shore
transfer window is closed m8,no new players until s2
balmy wolf
Ik
pearl stratus
When your team sucks so much you fake having a stroke to get out of playing with them.
#justtaimouthings
Also I don't know how I completely missed Mendo explaining himself on reddit and basically saying he'll never play, and doubts he'll stay with OWL currently.
torpid charm
#FreeMendo
onyx shore
is he really faking it? if he is,it would be more effective doing it D-1 of matchday though
red anvil
obviously he wasn't, but extreme stress causes ridiculous strain on your body
without the proper personel to handle, your doomed to just crash
pearl stratus
He's not really faking it, but you might as well.
Unkoe faked being sick after the loss to Shock after all.
#FreeMendo is just a fancy way of saying #releaseMendo, which might happen.
Since Mendo is never going to play.
red anvil
well i wouldent call being a complete broken state, "faked"
because that game was eww
actual eww
houston game was wayyyy closer
and could have easily been a 2-1 to fuel
or rather should have been
pearl stratus
After watching them fuck up R66 that hard though, I dunno.
red anvil
that was the 1 in 2-1
blizz world i dont know how they lost
Jake was a better pharah on junkrat then AKM on pharah
watch top right corner https://clips.twitch.tv/ResoluteBenevolentRuffCopyThis
pearl stratus
I don't see many situations where Dallas wins Ilios either unless they get lucky (which they did) and get Lighthouse/Well prior to Ruins.
They don't have the hero pool to effectively play Ilios with AKM having the worlds most inconsistent Widow.
And now with Effect most likely missing this week, its going to be hilarious.
red anvil
i would say taimou got the more inconsistent widow, but that because his highs are so different to his lows
pearl stratus
Boston has a crazy easy week.
So unless something insane happens they'll go up to a 12 game win streak.
Which will bump out NYXL's record.
Most of the exciting games this week are all mid-pack games. Hm.
Houston against both LA teams, etc.
red anvil
they are still have some really close games to those that they have won
red anvil
oh free wins
pearl stratus
So unless something crazy happens I expect two wins.
pearl stratus
I mean realistically it could happen, not at all likely. But I could see if it was like Shanghai and NYXL for their games they put all their time into NYXL
onyx shore
yikes,shanghai and dallas? easy 8 map
torpid charm
so glad that Philly just has Seoul to play then they basically kinda have 3 free wins after
pearl stratus
Eh I don't think VAL is going to be a free win for them
red anvil
whats the 3 teams?
pearl stratus
Depends on Soon.
torpid charm
true
red anvil
if val is one of them no
pearl stratus
Next four games for them is Seoul, Shanghai, Dallas, VAL.
torpid charm
like 2.5 easy wins
pearl stratus
Seoul is an easier win than VAL at this point, honestly.
red anvil
eh, seoul is a big questionmark
pearl stratus
I'm excited to see AKM Tracer and Seagull Genji.
onyx shore
welp
red anvil
wait
onyx shore
shock is #4 in this stage
red anvil
effect is in korea?
onyx shore
how
red anvil
source on that?
onyx shore
if this rank doesnt change,boston gonna choose them for playoff
red anvil
he said he was taking a break, no mention about korea
onyx shore
then its valiant vs nyxl on the other playoff
pearl stratus
Pretty sure he was streaming from Korea the other day.