I mean.
#esports-discussion
pearl stratus
He's playing against Striker.
And Striker aggressively hunts down Tracer duels.
Which for Munchkin is not his strong point.
idle beacon
damn so many tokens and i dont know what skins t oget
nova pelican
he doesnt seem to get a lot of pulse kills either
pearl stratus
Munchkin? He's 50-50.
minor flame
Do you guys think BUP can beat LAV?
idle beacon
the white skins, will they really be for everyone, not only all-access-pass people?
pearl stratus
He's kind of like Clockwork, he's much more comfortable pulsing tanks.
idle beacon
@minor flame did LAV beaten nyxl before?
minor flame
?????
brisk roost
Val v Uprising is gonna be intense
minor flame
Does not matter if you beat NYXL
pearl stratus
No, VAL haven't beaten NYXL that I remember.
minor flame
PD beat NYXL and London and they got 3-1ed by Shock
hearty sentinel
Has any of the higher tier teams managed to hold Volskyaya A for any significant amount of time
idle beacon
VAL aren't as good as nyxl
pearl stratus
Yeah
brisk roost
London lost to Shock before?
pearl stratus
We've had a few full holds on Volskaya A.
idle beacon
phili has beaten nyxl? when?
idle beacon
so they won 1 time against nyxl, and got reverse sweeped twice ?
brisk roost
Yes
minor flame
Yea
idle beacon
that must be some mental fuckup for them phili bois
brisk roost
Sucks that Val isn't playing against NYXL this stage
minor flame
Woulda enjoyed that match
brisk roost
Would've loved to see the new roster play against them
idle beacon
i mean, they almost had it twice .. and then gave it away so unnessecarily
minor flame
I dont really have an opinion on LAV or Spitifre
idle beacon
and whats ur 1st fav team?
brisk roost
Houston
idle beacon
bwahahahhaha
brisk roost
Lol you got mad at me for cheering Valiant the other day man 😂
idle beacon
london got 4-0'd ?
brisk roost
Nah
nova pelican
that was clutch
minor flame
Maybe I shoulda rephrased
brisk roost
London got reverse swept yesterday
minor flame
I just hope they wont be swept
brisk roost
By Boston
hearty sentinel
London has been 4-0'd before I think
nova pelican
wtf
pearl stratus
I love how its like "Boston is losing!"
Striker gets Super Striker
Kills like 4 people.
Point resets.
nova pelican
that was a crazy comeback
minor flame
Super Mario Striker
nova pelican
and not a single tick
minor flame
Kicking out those Pulses
pearl stratus
Welcome to Striker Land.
I still vastly prefer SBB's style.
But Striker is so fun to watch.
minor flame
lol
pearl stratus
Fuck Mistakes.
nova pelican
ohhhhhhhhhh
brisk roost
RIP FLETA LOL
ruby pendant
lol
pearl stratus
That was dirty.
clear crane
LMASO
hearty sentinel
LOL
nova pelican
poor fleta
minor flame
Striker is very aggressive but SBB is more team orientated and passive overall
Its hard to tell which is better
idle beacon
i hate sbb's aiming .. gettin me dizzy when speccing 😄
pearl stratus
There's only two Tracers I'd compare to SBB.
Soon and (ironically) Jake.
They share that same style type.
And obviously SBB is better than both.
idle beacon
soon and being passive?
hearty sentinel
Holy goodness Striker
idle beacon
he's more aggro than sbb
idle beacon
cerebral
minor flame
I like Tracer and how pros play with her, I think the pulse changes are just being really a big overreaction
It wont make much of a difference
strong crescent
no way dynasty is winning this
pearl stratus
The problem with the pulse changes are more the Bastion stuff, imo.
minor flame
LMAO
pearl stratus
I understand it from tank stuff.
nova pelican
its over
pearl stratus
But I think Pulse should be able to kill a set up bastion.
minor flame
Fleta unlucky
pearl stratus
So I'd like to see its damage bumped up a little bit to be able to do that.
minor flame
Thats what I mean, a pulse to a bastion enables the team to dive them
idle beacon
@minor flame tracer gettin a nerf??? what?
ruby pendant
Can't wait for the Tracer nerf
strong crescent
-100 damage on pulse bomb
strong crescent
how
pearl stratus
Its honestly not hard.
strong crescent
it doesn't inflict the damage instantly?
idle beacon
YES!!!!!!!!
strong crescent
that's dumb
minor flame
So unless you play bastion or a tank main or you have 250 hp and got shields or armor
hearty sentinel
It does but it isn't enough
minor flame
it wont make a change to directly you
pearl stratus
It has the five damage stick (which is 2 damage to bastion) and the armor.
vagrant niche
33-4 DAAAM
nova pelican
wooooooooooooooooooow
strong crescent
ok but wouldn't the 300 damage kill anyway?
strong crescent
why not?
minor flame
Armor reduction and overall Sentry reduction
idle beacon
why are they nerfing tracer?
pearl stratus
^
idle beacon
they should fuckin remove hanzo
strong crescent
wait you get damage reduction in sentry mode?
hearty sentinel
They don't want her Pulse Bomb to be as good against Tanks
minor flame
Yes
strong crescent
TIL
minor flame
Its easy to stick tanks and build up charge
hearty sentinel
Since they are easy to stick
ruby pendant
They should make her warping go down from 3 to 2
pearl stratus
I agree that its use on tanks is really annoying, especially visually in OWL.
minor flame
she'd be
pearl stratus
So I get that change.
idle beacon
so pulse bomb nerfed to 300dmg .. and still the shit scatter is dealin 650 or so. i hate blizz for their stupid hero changes and not freakin fixing their fuckin hanzo fuckup
minor flame
terrible
ruby pendant
Would make it more challeging
minor flame
with 2 charges
vagrant niche
I will miss scatter arrow tho
pearl stratus
I just think Pulse should always kill anything non-tank instantly.
ruby pendant
haha
vagrant niche
Said no one 
strong crescent
the fact that hanzo can kill anybody he wants
ruby pendant
Will feel good
marsh pumice
yeh hanzo is really a mess
hearty sentinel
Scatter is gone
vagrant niche
Jebaited
pearl stratus
Pro-tip:
strong crescent
if he hits headshots with volley
ruby pendant
Let Tracer get a Mercy nerf
pearl stratus
Storm arrow > Scatter.
idle beacon
@minor flame i don't play on ptr
pearl stratus
So much better.
strong crescent
is bullshit tbh
pearl stratus
SOOOOO MUCH BETTER.
marsh pumice
scatter is gone? thanks Gawd
ruby pendant
@minor flame you'll get used to the nerf
nova pelican
it looks easier to use than scatter
idle beacon
i don't check sites 24/7 either
pearl stratus
I spent a good two hours just aggressively dueling people with Storm Arrow.
And I win 90% of the time.
It's so dumb.
minor flame
Youre active on this discord
hearty sentinel
Just check the PTR forum every now and again
pearl stratus
Leap into them, Storm arrow, spam my mouse clicks.
strong crescent
correct me if I'm wrong: 5 volley headshots is a kill on everything right?
pearl stratus
It's six shots, but yes.
idle beacon
@minor flame yea, when OWL matches are runnin. that's about it with discord
vagrant niche
it's almost like hitscan
strong crescent
ok but 5 does the job anyway
vagrant niche
seems good
pearl stratus
The theoretically maximum, with no boosting, of Storm arrow is 980 damage.
strong crescent
on anything but primal rage winston
strong crescent
even 4 does the job
pearl stratus
Theoretically max.
You won't honestly get that ever.
It's all six shots in a two second window being headshots.
minor flame
Ye its McCree's FtH but if all if it was headshots
lethal plank
xQc mvp
minor flame
You never get that
pearl stratus
hence theoretical max.
The abilities issue is its a very short cooldown.
Which I don't agree with.
fluid dagger
The dynasty is fallen
strong crescent
i mean, if you have good aim and are fairly close, it's not that far-fetched that you'd hit at least half headshots.
pearl stratus
8 seconds for it, I think a bump up to 10-12 is better.
idle beacon
lol junkrat nerfed AGAIN?
strong crescent
does it have like random spread or something?
pearl stratus
No.
strong crescent
that's dumb
pearl stratus
It's basically as close to hit scan arrows as you can think.
ruby pendant
What about buffs?
strong crescent
hanzo gonna be fragging out once it goes live
pearl stratus
No buffs to Junk, his changes are a bit much.
minor flame
No one got buffed
pearl stratus
Since its two direct nerfs, one indirect nerf.
minor flame
Unless you count Lucio
ruby pendant
Nerfs are too depressing
pearl stratus
Lucio wasn't a nerf originally.
supple prism
could have just been an ability that fires 3 arrows at once
strong crescent
guys mods are watching
minor flame
thats a controversial mix
hearty sentinel
That depends on what you consider the Lucio changes
pearl stratus
Er buff.
ruby pendant
What happened to Lucio?
strong crescent
esports channel
pearl stratus
Originally Lucio was a major nerf.
strong crescent
remember
minor flame
Lucio got easier for lower tier players
hearty sentinel
Basically his wallriding has been made smoother
minor flame
Harder for higher tier
strong crescent
junkrat is the most brainless champion
pearl stratus
@ruby pendant They put in a very very watered down version of wall ride so it was more approachable.
strong crescent
thank god he's getting nerfed
pearl stratus
Then to compensate for it being braindead, they lowered speed and boosts, and it hitched around corners.
minor flame
Though being more approachable also traded skill and avoidability
pearl stratus
And lowered the jump.
ruby pendant
sounds like a nerf
minor flame
Lucio can now get shot easier
pearl stratus
So they lowered the skill cap, and demolished the skill ceiling.
They have since reverted most of the nerf aspects.
And now its just an easier wall ride for new people.
Which is fine.
minor flame
Theyve reverted the Lucio buffs?
pearl stratus
No.
minor flame
"buffs"
pearl stratus
They reverted the bad parts of it.
ruby pendant
Would have to try Lucio out then
idle beacon
the lucio buff is nice
ruby pendant
Thanks for the info
pearl stratus
So its still easier, but now its not easier with a skill ceiling.
They had to listen.
idle beacon
nomore reloading after boops
pearl stratus
The first post on the PTR forums had like 9,000 views in under 2 hours
And everyone was calling Blizzard the worst company in the world.
minor flame
So you can still grind around corners but you can still do rollouts
strong crescent
what about the sonic arrow changes
pearl stratus
You only go around corners if you continue holding keys, etc.
strong crescent
opinions?
pearl stratus
So you can more manually control it.
minor flame
Its better
pearl stratus
Which fixes most of the roll outs.
strong crescent
i think it's good
minor flame
Sonic Arrow was a giant radius
strong crescent
it's better at scouting persay
pearl stratus
It's a fair trade off.
strong crescent
and not just "infra-sight in a radius"
pearl stratus
It still maintains a 30 second uptime, but the ability to place it more often allows it to stay more relevant as you move points.
So its a fair counter to lower its radius.
strong crescent
^ what you said
pearl stratus
It is, however, a nerf on KoTH.
minor flame
I have to give Blizzard some slack, its hard to balance this type of game
minor flame
Blizzard just gets so much shit every time they make a mistake
twin dove
I've been with blizzard for years cause of WoW, they have a weird idea of "balance"
lol
strong crescent
small indie company guys
pearl stratus
@minor flame Blizzards big problem is hammer versus scalpel.
So much of their stuff needs to be done with a scalpel.
And they take a hammer to it.
strong crescent
yeah
pearl stratus
It's just how they do things.
minor flame
True
pearl stratus
Like Junkrat, imo.
twin dove
they like to prune alot
pearl stratus
Did he need more nerfs? Yup.
He totally did.
But the nerfs he got on PTR are actually 3 nerfs.
2 Direct, 1 Indirect.
minor flame
Whats the indirect
strong crescent
and the lucio stuff
pearl stratus
The change in radius on his grenades makes sense, it was catching people all the time.
idle beacon
so nomore 'scatter the floor, killing tank' possible?
minor flame
Yes
strong crescent
like they could just make it "oh he can wallride around corners now"
pearl stratus
But because the radius is changed you're automatically going to generate tires slower.
minor flame
Unless your still playing normal servers
idle beacon
finally
strong crescent
but noooooooooo
pearl stratus
So you've indirectly nerfed his Tire that way.
And then they combined it with a reduced speed on the tire.
And its roughly a 9% speed decrease which is REALLY huge.
strong crescent
yeah
pearl stratus
So not only are you charging ults slower, you're now making them insanely more vulnerable.
ruby pendant
haha
pearl stratus
I think both combined is too much.
minor flame
I think Junk at this point is at the borderline of undertuned
ruby pendant
No one flipped out for the Junkrat nerfs?
pearl stratus
I would have started with the Grenade size change, and readjusted with the tire in a week or two.
ruby pendant
too funny
pearl stratus
He's not undertuned.
nova pelican
these hacks are crazy good
pearl stratus
Right now he's honestly really tuned.
idle beacon
if boston wins this, it'll be val only to win against to be top1, right?
ruby pendant
We'll see Endoken
pearl stratus
My problem with it is this (and it will bring us back to the e-sports topic!)
hearty sentinel
Boston is on fire this map
vagrant niche
yo they getting shreded
pearl stratus
Blizzard in total has invested 700 million on OWL, roughly.
strong crescent
or like when they nerfed quest rogue
ruby pendant
Uprising have gotten a lot better
strong crescent
and fucked everyone
pearl stratus
None of these changes were done based around their pros.
ruby pendant
They don't look the same from last stage
minor flame
Boston and LAV wont matter unless someone will get a loss
pearl stratus
And many of them will drastically affect the heroes in OWL.
minor flame
They're pretty much tied in their score at this point
pearl stratus
And I don't understand the thinking in that.
strong crescent
no I'm pretty sure that the tire change was done for pros
pearl stratus
It hasn't. Look at this week.
You'll probably immediately think of Agilities 4K tire on Anubis.
brisk sluice
Most tires were shot down this week.
pearl stratus
And think "Tires broken"
And I'd say sure.
But I'd point out Surefour on Junkertown.
rain pewter
boston doesn't even need to beat valiant
pearl stratus
Literally shooting 4 out of 5 tires.
And completely removing the ult from the game.
ruby pendant
Note making it look easy
nova pelican
holy shit that combo
quasi stump
DIRTY
raw zealot
egone thot
rain pewter
valiant hasn't faced london yet
vagrant niche
WOBO COMBO
pearl stratus
Tire has been countered on most maps in OWL by spreading, and killing it.
ruby pendant
Dragons game was more interesting
nova pelican
seoul got humiliated
raw zealot
oo s
pearl stratus
So this nerf is for ladder play, and mid-level ladder play mostly.
raw zealot
😄
idle beacon
"So not only are you charging ults slower, you're now making them insanely more vulnerable."
ruby pendant
Not that Dynasty suck, Uprising too good
pearl stratus
@idle beacon The first nerf (33% reduction to grenade size) nets you less random area denial damage.
So you charge slower.
strong crescent
marginally, but slower.
idle beacon
for people spaming only, yea
pearl stratus
Its marginally on some maps, noticeable on others.
idle beacon
i mostly try to hit targets instead of spaming af
pearl stratus
Like Lunar Colony it was really noticeable.
pearl stratus
And I'm not upset by that.
strong crescent
yeah but who plays and likes lunar colony
pearl stratus
I feel like that's perfectly fine.
pearl stratus
But when you then pair it with the tire slow, it feels like a bit too much.
minor flame
I thought HLC was ok though sometimes I got swept in like 2 mins
lethal plank
Wai what Florida?
twin dove
lol
ruby pendant
???
pearl stratus
@strong crescent Again - all of my thought process is more geared towards OWL.
minor flame
Shanghai choked on 4th map
pearl stratus
Not myself.
brisk sluice
Finally fixing the headers
brisk sluice
Halfway.
hearty sentinel
Has Torb gotten any OWL play at all?
pearl stratus
Because that's what it'll impact the most noticeably.
nova pelican
reinhardt?
minor flame
No
rain pewter
nope didn't see any torbs
ruby pendant
@hearty sentinel Don't think Torb has played
pearl stratus
@hearty sentinel He has about 5 minutes of play, from a Numbani defense in sTage 1
*1.
minor flame
If you dont include the amount of times people put torbs as jokes
quasi stump
Torb has a tiny bit of playtime
pearl stratus
I think... London? Ran him
pearl stratus
I just remember it got rolled really quickly.
hearty sentinel
And of course there is no shortage of jokes about the lack of Sym
strong crescent
also
pearl stratus
And we've never seen Torb again.
strong crescent
thank god baugette got nerfed
hearty sentinel
Didn't Jeff say at some point that they were working on another Sym rework though?
minor flame
Yes
quasi stump
yup
pearl stratus
I call it a berf @strong crescent
It's a nerf, but for some comps its also a buff.
minor flame
Did something happen to Brig after the cone reduction?
quasi stump
Sym is going to become a defense hero after her rework
pearl stratus
When I've played and scrimmed with Brigitte its been mostly against 1:2:3 and 0:3:3.
Because you almost need to (competitively) run 3 supports to maximize Brigitte.
brisk sluice
Symmetra was always a defense hero, just categorized wrong from the start.
hearty sentinel
^
pearl stratus
And everything kind of becomes a big brawl. And the old shield bash cone used to actually screw me up a lot.
Because I'd go to stun and pressure a Zen.
And catch the Reinhardt like 80 degrees off to the side.
But it will save Flankers from being noob tubed by Brigitte who shield bashed in their general direction.
pearl stratus
So overall its one of the changes I find very well done for Blizzard.
strong crescent
and more importantly, you actually have to predict.
pearl stratus
And how they should do things more often.
It's also a secret buff for Tracer. Less so for Genji.
Genji is ezaf to shield bash
pearl stratus
I like the triple tank look from Seoul.
pearl stratus
It shored up some of their weakness against Striker.
minor flame
This is the one time Blizzard brought a wrench instead of a sledgehammer
pearl stratus
Buff would be Reinhardt, honestly.
Nerf would be a very minimal 1-2 second increase on Boosters to D'va.
To make her boosters more of a thought.
minor flame
It will make those long range bomb surprises harder though
pearl stratus
Right now it cools down so quick you can kind of "waste" it in a lot of situations.
strong crescent
reinhardt would be very hard to buff without making him a nescessary pick
what would you do
pearl stratus
Like you said its a hard balance.
Ideally, if you could find a way to do it satisfactory, I'd like to see him get a CC reduction while his shield is out. But I don't pretend that could be balanced well, so its not an idea that would happen.
To me Reins biggest flaw is so many characters can juggle him around right now.
grizzled trout
Gido?
idle beacon
anyone using the all-access pass mode of the stream?
minor flame
no
idle beacon
this dumb multiview mode
pearl stratus
My only other thought was potentially having his hammer swings recharge some shield - but it would also be hard to balance especially when it comes to multiple targets.
grizzled trout
Yeaaa not watching
supple prism
a passive that cuts CC in half or repeatitive CC against him gets less and less effective
hearty sentinel
So this is going into timebank
idle beacon
why did mistaken use his emp elsewhere? Oo
ruby pendant
Good!
pearl stratus
Gido had Tranq
minor flame
He was emped
pearl stratus
And he wanted to remove it from play.
hearty sentinel
But Seoul finished in OT
minor flame
So he had to EMP later in the backline
pearl stratus
It was the right play.
idle beacon
ah ok, didnt see the transencdence
pearl stratus
He was at like 94%
minor flame
lmao
idle beacon
so seoul done it in ot
pearl stratus
Gido also had amazing positioning.
rain pewter
1 min to get a tick for boston
hearty sentinel
So Boston has a minute to get first tick on the point. If not then it's a draw
minor flame
Yes
pearl stratus
Yes.
idle beacon
ok
minor flame
That means even though Boston would need 1 more map
rain pewter
yeah both teams only get a min if it's pure payload i think
raw zealot
minor flame
Seoul wouldnt need to go through Map 5
rain pewter
if it's a hybrid there's no 1 extra min
brisk sluice
Because payload maps can't end in a draw
hearty sentinel
well they can
minor flame
Wouldnt you technically not be able to get any distance?
Which
is impossible but
If 2 teams want to fuck around
sure
hearty sentinel
Draw
minor flame
RIP
hearty sentinel
so 1-0 in favor of Boston at the half
brisk sluice
Well, assuming that, sure. But otherwise that's why payload gets 1 minute regardless Overtime.
pearl stratus
That was questionable.
pearl stratus
It really looked like Mistake was on point
minor flame
I think they actually woulda won that if they didnt C9
idle beacon
blizz really needs to fix the point crap .. i've lost matches alltho we were ON the point in time
minor flame
I think mistake was a bit too above the payload
brisk sluice
Anticlimactic
minor flame
I mean point
pearl stratus
I think it was the drop down yeah. Their vertical "touch" distance is wonky.
pearl stratus
I hate not being able to convince my gf to go over to the watch party.
They even did an OW themed menu for it.
pearl stratus
Mistakes gives Danteh a run for his Sombra money.
fluid dagger
Mistakes is certainly a nasty good sombra
pearl stratus
Which makes sense, they were really the only two DPS to constantly play her.
It was a support position beyond that typically.
minor flame
How consistent is both Danteh and Mistakes though
pearl stratus
Danteh is really consistent now, imo.
pearl stratus
He's probably the overall most improved player in OWL.
minor flame
I feel like Danteh is marginally better than Sinatraa at Tracer
stable wadi
S A N I T I Z E
pearl stratus
Two i's not two a's
stable wadi
I have no idea what you're talking about sir
pearl stratus
There ya go
pearl stratus
Fleta is going to hate that play for the next few days.
It's going to be EVERYWHERE.
fluid dagger
It's one of the sickest deflects I've ever seen honestly
minor flame
Fleta is gonna hate himself for that Dva bomb last sec
pearl stratus
I like the Sanitize meme, but its also just smart.
I'm sure most of the illness actually comes from the walk outs.
And touching random strangers.
minor flame
Fill me in of the meme?
nova pelican
WOAH
pearl stratus
They keep randomly panning to one of the stage crew who hands out sanitizer between maps now.
minor flame
Thats funny but pretty good
pearl stratus
@minor flame https://clips.twitch.tv/StrangeStormyJamStrawBeary
Look at the audience at the end
nova pelican
SANITIZE
pearl stratus
Audience ruining the desk lmao
fluid dagger
This meme is amazing
pearl stratus
Its so distracting too.
minor flame
Audience is a step above twitch chat
pearl stratus
You want to pay attention but you just see it.
Life never changes.
Pizza parties always pull people together.
limber pine
pearl stratus
Philly focused on NYXL.
minor flame
Back and forth games
pearl stratus
And weren't mentally/physically prepped for Shock, it was noticeable.
minor flame
Shocks been improving steadily too
pearl stratus
Back to back matches don't really give you the time to prep for two teams, especially since they only shared one map between the two games.
minor flame
Be a huge morale boost
pearl stratus
Since you end up having to scrim practice for 7 (math is hard.) total maps.
or just focus on NYXL and hope skill carries over to beat Shock.
Which it did not.
minor flame
When after days of dedication you still lose
rain pewter
not everything's an anime
minor flame
Ye ik
rain pewter
just have who having the bigger determination wins
minor flame
Just a feelsbad
hearty sentinel
SANITIZE
pearl stratus
Oh it does definitely feel bad, but yeah.
nova pelican
oh jeez
minor flame
Omfg
rain pewter
even the casters now?
pearl stratus
I mean
fluid dagger
Everyone in that stadium is high on sanitize fumes
pearl stratus
Blizzard embraces and runs with this stuff.
minor flame
This is gettin outta hand
hearty sentinel
I mean technically speaking there is a thing called "convention flu"
pearl stratus
Or Mercy two guns?
twin dove
#SponsoredNotSponsored?
idle beacon
lol freaks 😄
pearl stratus
Blizzard hired a meme team.
coarse willow
u was right
hearty sentinel
I LOVED MERCY 2 GUNS
fluid dagger
@minor flame no it's getting in the hand, the sanitizer that is
twin dove
Let Roadhog Wallride.
pallid cargo
@hearty sentinel The term is more specifically "Con Plague"
minor flame
Remember all the way back to Gremlin Dva and people actually didnt want her portayed as that
vagrant niche
@minor flame why you put too much sanitize on your hand?
pallid cargo
and it is SO real
coarse willow
im gonna be honest, this isnt looking good for dynasty
pearl stratus
Yeah. If I was on a team during a walk out
hearty sentinel
pearl stratus
I would not touch anyone.
Fuck that. They're strangers.
I don't know where they've been.
coarse willow
because control is not their strong suti and they have to win
pearl stratus
You'd see me in the walk out with gloves on.
minor flame
Effect shouldntve been flamed on for not high5ing
pearl stratus
I'd pre-sign the gloves, and throw them back to the crowd.
That way I still win PR.
minor flame
Lol
ruby pendant
Fleta really got the hooks
pearl stratus
Rofl
nova pelican
holy shit
hearty sentinel
TRIPLE KILL PULSE BOMB
nova pelican
these emp combos are so dirty
twin dove
Hope he sanitizes his hook after every pull.
nova pelican
these HOOKS
pearl stratus
They stalled for 35%.
nova pelican
that combo
hearty sentinel
HOOK INTO CHARGE
ruby pendant
lol
vagrant niche
FLETA THE HOOK META
gritty yacht
That was great.
hearty sentinel
FLETA MISSED A HOOK OMG CLEARLY THROWING
ruby pendant
Gido has been alive the whole time
minor flame
What do you guys think is Boston and Seouls weakest aspect
pearl stratus
Mistakes, despite his great play, is still their biggest weakness.
Seouls is tank cohesion and consistency.
coarse willow
LETS GO
nova pelican
maybe he shouldve stayed on sombra
vagrant niche
Time to bring Reaper
nova pelican
has he played pharah b4?
coarse willow
if the munchkin vs striker tracer matchup was more fair that first map wouldve been seouls
pearl stratus
No, which is where you notice it.
rain pewter
wait
nova pelican
wtf
rain pewter
what happened with junkrat there
vagrant niche
WTF WAS THAT?
hearty sentinel
I hope Fleta cleans this hook. Mixing so many different people's blood can't be healthy
nova pelican
that was...
raw zealot
What'd I miss?
pearl stratus
Striker plays Junkrat like he plays Tracer.
supple prism
hook threw him back up
pearl stratus
It's so gross.
pearl stratus
This, however, is one really big perk of Mistakes.
His Tracer on 123 was amazing.,
minor flame
Only 3 maps left rip your token
pearl stratus
So it gives them this rotation.
vagrant niche
man what was that hook?
minor flame
Fleta defies the laws of hooks
regal stratus
Looks like I’ve been missing a crazy game.
pearl stratus
Mistakes to Sombra, nice.
minor flame
More or less
pearl stratus
He can use the top of the roof for the hacks.
supple prism
just ignoring pharah lol
minor flame
Endoken, I dont know you much but I have to applaud you for being very informative on OW overall
pearl stratus
I don't think they're ignoring her. They need the position for the hack.
And Seoul is doing a great job of destroying supports.
fluid dagger
The pharah play hurts after losing Boston's pharah
pearl stratus
So they can't actually set up a spot.
pearl stratus
Yeah, just like that.
hearty sentinel
Overtime in OWL is crazy
regal stratus
FLETA
supple prism
too close
nova pelican
oh my god
coarse willow
fuck me
pearl stratus
Thats where Munchkin being a mid Tracer hurts.
fluid dagger
Wow these points are crazy close
minor flame
OW has a spell where the last 10 secs are usually the most insane
grizzled trout
That hurts
coarse willow
COME ON SEOUL DO IT
rain pewter
it's the tension
pearl stratus
Yeah.
grizzled trout
:(
pearl stratus
His Tracking isn't good enough to clip the baby d'va
He needed a reload.
But it couldn't be done prior to the explosion
rain pewter
kinda like needing only 1 more shot to win your basketball match and having only 5 seconds to do it
nova pelican
damn
pearl stratus
Munchkin is a real oddity to me.
Because he's one of the players that while I enjoy watching I feel like hasn't actually improved that much in OWL.
In Stage 1 his Tracer was pretty dominant, really aggressive and not always answered well.
fluid dagger
Boston you got this
hearty sentinel
Tire impactful? Haven't like 90% of them been shot down in OWL
pearl stratus
@hearty sentinel Tire impact is more map dependent.
nova pelican
you were right striker is so agressive with junkrat too
pearl stratus
You see tires working more on Nepal + Anubis.
minor flame
Most are shot doen but some ha e been gamr chsnging
pearl stratus
Less on Junkertown
fluid dagger
Striker is just insane
regal stratus
@pearl stratus i agree. He seems to have plateaued in stage one.
pearl stratus
I'd honestly say the same about a bit of Seoul.
Miro is the most shocking to me, he's so inconsistent.
regal stratus
Damn that was close
pearl stratus
As the model for Winston play its sad to see him not still be consistently the pinnacle of it
fluid dagger
This is gonna be a tough hold
hearty sentinel
MISTAKES HIDING BEHIND THE PILLAR
nova pelican
MIRO WTF
rain pewter
people thought the same of dallas
regal stratus
OMG WTF
minor flame
When did Miro set the foundation for Winston?
fluid dagger
Uh oh
regal stratus
GD MIRO
fluid dagger
Gg miro
regal stratus
He lost it for em
pallid cargo
miroFace
hearty sentinel
And Boston has now become the first team to beat New York, Seoul, and London
pearl stratus
I don't think he would have made it in either situation, tbh.
idle beacon
FUCKIN FUCK YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rain pewter
i don't know if rein would even make it on point regardless
fluid dagger
Boston does the Korean hattrick
pearl stratus
But now you can honestly say he didn't.
minor flame
Whay
fluid dagger
Boston #1
pallid cargo
THE OVERWATCH LEAGUE I-
idle beacon
boston have beaten london aswell?
pearl stratus
Nice production OWL.
nova pelican
did miro get pulledby orisa i thought he just fell on his own for a sec
idle beacon
when was that?
pearl cedar
Bston with the 3K pulsebomb
minor flame
Yestetday
edgy swallow
gido throw?????
pearl cedar
symbolizes their 3 win streak vs the top 3 korean teams
rain pewter
it was 3-2
pearl stratus
@idle beacon Yesterday, reverse sweep
pearl cedar
feelsgoodman
fluid dagger
Boston has beaten London twice now actually
coarse willow
that was fucking close
nova pelican
seoul ate shit as predicted
pearl stratus
@coarse willow Fleta tried his best.
regal stratus
Did miro get pulled?? I also thought he walked off edge
coarse willow
wtf u saying sleuth
coarse willow
that was close af
hearty sentinel
sadly because of that draw it won't be the clean sweep
pearl stratus
@regal stratus Gamsu got him
fluid dagger
Miro got pulled
nova pelican
it was
pearl cedar
Fleta was hard carrying though
pearl stratus
Then Gamsu was hooked by Fleta
idle beacon
@pearl stratus oh damn right .. i've even watched it .. amnesia
edgy swallow
seoul is such a joke now
coarse willow
tbh i thought seoul had no chance on control
pearl stratus
I'd put a good chunk of that loss on Munchkin not being able to match Striker.
fluid dagger
Striker has been styling on Munchkin...
coarse willow
@edgy swallow how are they a joke they just got super fucking close to beating boston
pearl stratus
Actually.
coarse willow
which is a good sign
edgy swallow
seoul used to be rank #1
minor flame
Seoul is still a competent team though need to work on their team play overall
hearty sentinel
Seoul and London have been seriously underperforming this stage
pearl stratus
Even Mistakes was stunting on Munchkin.
edgy swallow
now they're scrambling and making mistakes and not playing any where close to as a team
hearty sentinel
London actually has a negative map differential this stage
rain pewter
i don't think seoul was ever really ranked #1
regal stratus
@edgy swallow idk about a joke, just plateaued in stage one. Ego maybe
pearl stratus
@hearty sentinel I give London more pass though. London had all of their bad match ups so far basically.
rain pewter
NYXL has been there since
coarse willow
i think this game has gone way better than anyone expected
rain pewter
almost the beginning
grizzled trout
Was seoul rlly rank one?
minor flame
Yes
pearl stratus
You basically knew London was going to lose to Houston. They always do.
edgy swallow
seoul was in stage #1 near the start
coarse willow
at the beginning they were rolling everyone
fluid dagger
Seoul was first place in stage 1 weren't they?
grizzled trout
It was pretty tied out between London ny and seoul
edgy swallow
and then they started slipping and then uh
hearty sentinel
Looks like Seoul is going to be in the negatives too
edgy swallow
here they are now
hearty sentinel
no that was NYXL
rain pewter
until they started losing to NYXL and other teams right around mid stage 1
minor flame
Seoul started losing cause of the other Koreans
edgy swallow
^
grizzled trout
They aren't a joke imo
hearty sentinel
This is the first stage NYXL isn't going to go 9-1
grizzled trout
Just not as good as before
edgy swallow
i remember they played gido against spitfire
coarse willow
no they started losing because they are switching rosters every game
edgy swallow
and got destroyed without jehong
hearty sentinel
Well they still could. If they win all their remaining matches
grizzled trout
Idk why they don't play ryu when he is one of the main shot callers
fluid dagger
Will Boston get the first undefeated stage?!? :O
edgy swallow
everytime they sub jehong they get destroyed
pearl stratus
For London:
Week 1 - Houston and NYXL - Both teams they're usually dominated by in stage play.
Week 2 - Florida (win) Philly. Philly is tough no matter what.
Week 3 - Boston (playing out of their minds) - LAV (unplayed)
London has had a REALLY hard start of stage match up
coarse willow
if we had a better tracer and jehong instead of gido that was a gg
rain pewter
valiant vs london tomorrow will show how boston vs valiant might be like
hearty sentinel
OMG Soe really playing for fan favorite
north tendon
this santizie meme
minor flame
Soe
north tendon
too strong
edgy swallow
i don't understand why they ever sub ryu out
he's a better zen than gido
and he's their main shotcaller
vagrant niche
inb4 forced meme to sell overprized OWL sanitize on the bliz store
pearl stratus
Korean teams grind so hard they're really prone to burn out.
grizzled trout
I'll only get mad if seoul drops out of top 6 cause I really want to see them at least in playoffs :(((
ruby pendant
Think they try out new strategies and rotations
mild coral
Boston didn't start out that good, but something clicked and they got infinitely better
fluid dagger
@north tendon Boston is a top team already
regal stratus
Seoul is tired for sure.
north tendon
boston is living the dream without committing any mistakes
pearl stratus
Pine last stage, Rascal, Birdring right now, etc.
grizzled trout
Isn't rjh getting old lol
pearl stratus
Their work ethic makes them insane players, but its also taxing as hell.
grizzled trout
He should go coach
vagrant niche
Buy your OWL Pass to get a free shipped OWL Sanitize
rain pewter
i think it was endoken who said it to me back when it was stage 2
coarse willow
i think seoul can fix their problems before stage 4 and do really good in stage 4
rain pewter
boston performed well in stage 1 because the mercy meta worked well for them
pearl stratus
Oh damn did I drop wisdom?
fluid dagger
Lav vs bos is going to be the highlight of this stage
nova pelican
by burn out do you mean depressed or just tired of the game or idk
hearty sentinel
wait what. Boston is now only second to New York in the league
rain pewter
mercy meta crumbled and boston's weakness with communication screwed them stage 2
coarse willow
because right now seoul looks really good imo
minor flame
NYXL has had much better stage 1s and 2s
rain pewter
endoken said then that boston just needs to fix comms
fluid dagger
Boston is #2 in the league, yes
coarse willow
if they are coming this close with boston
grizzled trout
U think seoul looks really good rn
minor flame
In stage standings, Boston is number 1
coarse willow
yea
pearl stratus
@nova pelican A bit of both - they're playing in a foreign country for the first time (and living there), they're playing a LOT, and the breaks are pretty small between stages.
coarse willow
they are doing really good against boston
grizzled trout
Not rlly compared to old seoul
nova pelican
damn yeah its understandable
pearl stratus
I don't think any of us, since we're not pros, can really relate to how mentally exhausting what they do is.
coarse willow
i had really low expectations when i saw the roster they chose
pearl stratus
We get hints of it - Jake has mentioned a few times that Houston practices like 6 and a half days a week.
grizzled trout
Back then it would be like Boston looks good for competing with seoul
pearl stratus
Ontop of games twice a week.
coarse willow
im confident that seoul will get their shit together in stage 4 and do really good
grizzled trout
Now it's we look good for competing with boston
mild coral
Which Korean team went back over break? I remember they had been dominating, but after taking the month they came back and got crushed
pearl stratus
We know Shanghai was practicing for like 12 hours a day.
hearty sentinel
well it's a sport. I imagine it is practiced like a sport
nova pelican
holy shit
minor flame
London or Seoul
fluid dagger
Boston is taking no prisoners
nova pelican
shanghai must be very stressed
pearl stratus
@nova pelican Part of learning this first season is also the fact no tournament can emulate what OWL is like. It's so much more playing, with so many good players who keep improving.
hearty sentinel
Striker kill stealer SMH
fluid dagger
Striker wants this 3-0
pearl stratus
So we're starting to learn player limitations, which we've never had to do before.
coarse willow
watch shanghai come out next match with 5 healers and a bastion xd
minor flame
I was really hoping LAG would be a playoff team but it seems like the other teams improved much more
pearl stratus
I think LAG still has a chance, they only really lost one game that I didn't expect them to lose.
Which was their stage opener against Shock.
pearl stratus
But that was just Danteh showing Sombra meta
coarse willow
LAG is looking good too
minor flame
Shock has been on fire recently
pearl stratus
When no one knew what to do about it.
regal stratus
LAG still could be end season playoff team for sure
hearty sentinel
It's much more like a professional sports league than a tournament
coarse willow
competing against LAV and Boston
pearl stratus
@hearty sentinel That's more my point - these players have never had to play this much really.
So its understandable we're finding burn out points, etc.
rain pewter
you may have double eliminations and all that but you lose a couple of times and you go
hearty sentinel
yeah
minor flame
OWL is like a giant game itself to get the most amount of maps
rain pewter
nobody's have the money like blizzard to actually run a league
pearl stratus
Like Logix being depressed, Pine being depressed.
I don't blame them
This is a LOT.
It's why deep rosters with a lot of good players is huge.
minor flame
What was the source for Pine's depression?
hearty sentinel
I simply cannot believe that Valve couldn't run something like that for DOTA if they really wanted
pearl stratus
LAG is one of the teams with the edge on that.
You have four really good DPS, Fissure, Bischu/Void, your supports.
rain pewter
valve likes to keep things hands off as much as possible
even if they are hands on however
nova pelican
each dps on lag is also so flexible
idle beacon
so boston just pushed off seoul out of the top3 in the overall standings
pearl stratus
@minor flame Seemed to be a bit of homesickness.
fluid dagger
"how do you fly with stones that big"
Poetry
rain pewter
i don't know if they've got the money to organize a league 4 days a week
rain pewter
their current dota pro circuit's already good enough for them
pearl stratus
I don't see a lot of companies investing heavily into Dota.
coarse willow
no @idle beacon they took 2nd and seoul is in 3rd now
pearl stratus
I personally think a MOBA isn't the type of game you'll find a public audience for.
idle beacon
oh ye
pallid cargo
Note is bloodthirsty
pearl stratus
DoTA and LoL are relatively in depth, DoTA especially.
Also laning phases are -boring- af.
pearl stratus
I don't see it succeeding as a big league because you can't really branch
rain pewter
sick hold btw
coarse willow
good
coarse willow
he should be angry
pearl stratus
Lol
fluid dagger
Boston always flops on66
minor flame
What do you think Endo, do you think OWL will be growing, cause it feels like people shit on it for being unprofessional
stuck meadow
Yeah
pearl stratus
@minor flame It'll grow, honest opinion. I think its in its growing pains stage right now, which is expected.
fluid dagger
I think 66 is Boston's worst map right now, right?
pearl stratus
This is the period where you find out your rulebook was too skeletal, and you need to flush it out with real things.
You're learning as much as everyone else is and solidifying everything.
idle beacon
@minor flame people shit on OWL for being unprofessional ... lol what??????
rain pewter
oh
pearl stratus
And the watch parties, by all opinions, seem crazy popular.
regal stratus
Give OWL time. They have issues but it is first season ever
rain pewter
we talking about stuff like the xQc scandal
pearl stratus
Same with the signings, etc.
fluid dagger
If shd gets their first win on Boston, everyone's minds will explode
hearty sentinel
But professional sports leagues have scandals like that all the time
rain pewter
that's actually as professional as it gets
regal stratus
And nothing of this scale has been done in esports so its uncharted territory
idle beacon
OWL is the most professional eSports league thus far
pearl stratus
Honestly I'd say the DK thing was more professional.
That was handled amazingly well.
That could have been so much worse.
fluid dagger
Agreed
pearl stratus
Boston handled it like pros (which makes sense, since its the Kraft organization)
And OWL did a good job of acknowledging his absence, and just letting it go.
coarse willow
oof
rain pewter
the penalties are all pretty appropriate
pearl stratus
I think xQc was an unfortunate springboard, because his was the case that really proved that the league didn't know what to do with nuanced situations.
rain pewter
xQc may be a little questionable but
stuck meadow
good wipe on seoul
rain pewter
it's still pretty professional i'd say
pearl stratus
I think if it it happened now, he probably would have had a slightly lesser punishment.