"a necessity"
#esports-discussion
limber pine
interesting choice of words
This is a decision I am leaving to our current coaches and the team, but I think it is safe to say that you will see a lot more of The Bird.
silk linden
Custa agreed it was something they had to do too, with rascal
And Custa is the voice of reason
scarlet spear
the gull has been released from jail 
twin dove
oh thanks @pearl stratus
silk linden
'''It simply came down to the fact that we think Rascal is extremely talented and versatile with his Hero pool. In hindsight, our coaching staff should not have agreed to bring him into the roster because of the situation that resulted from it, but I think their willingness to do that was a result of factors I mentioned previously in the AMA.'''
Wtf did rascal do monkaS
silk linden
I mean they are allowed to disclose what they want, I'm just deadly curious now
silk linden
Lots of people have said similar things on rascal so it's not like they're making up shit
Again, Custa agrees with this decision
hidden osprey
name some buzzwords
Dallas Fuel and out of context
that's on Fuel though, they supposedly never gave him a tryout
silk linden
I mean, he's rascal
pearl stratus
I'm so confused on his full control thing.
"my tweet about full control was taken out of context"
silk linden
It's like giving a tryout to Neymar before signing him
pearl stratus
... What.. other context...?
silk linden
It's fucking Neymar
hidden osprey
you can't really compare football to OWL though in that sense
scarlet spear
yeah i dont get the full control stuff either
hidden osprey
gelling with your team is so much more important imo
silk linden
Well yeah because in hindsight they should have done a tryout. But still, I get their reasoning
pearl stratus
I don't dislike his answers per se. But I think he's attempting to ride too much on past success in things that don't matter as much.
hidden osprey
that's the hint that I'm getting too
"we have history going back 10 years", "we have several trophies to showcase we are capable" etc etc
could make a slogan generator out of it
twin dove
need a trophy immortalizing that slogan ^.^
silk linden
I mean, it's not like he's not trying to win. It's not like he isn't doing his best. What else can he do but say "hopefully we're heading the right direction now"
pearl stratus
'Our organization has 6 Overwatch major/premier titles, more than any other organization in Overwatch history, including a huge trophy in Apex Season 1. So, while this season has been a disappointment, and me and others here have obviously made some mistakes, and are trying to learn from it, we're the same management team that helped accomplish that. In addition, we have won 11 international titles in CSGO including a Major World Championship. Out of 5 Call of Duty World Championships, we have played in the Grand Finals 4 times and have won 1 world championship.
Most people in our position wouldn't have changed much on our support staff because of that really great record of success. So we continued to keep a lean team assisting our players. However, with that said, we obviously have a new team dynamic with the Dallas Fuel and it is clear that we need to add more staff to the team. We are in the process of doing that by assessing new positions for assistant coach and player management roles.'
hidden osprey
but he's been saying things to that extent over the course of the season
silk linden
"why did you do things that made you lose" what is he gonna say, because we're stupid? Because we're masochistic?
pearl stratus
For me its more like "Why is it taking you forever to implement things other teams realized needed to be done really early."
hidden osprey
Fuel has consistently gotten worse
twin dove
feels like the movie waterboy
pearl stratus
Sports teams with a good history tend to maintain that good history by staying on top by adjusting and practicing to maintain that spot.
hidden osprey
"I also want to be clear that not one roster addition or player transaction occurred without me consulting heavily with Kyle or our GM Mat Taylor."
why do I find this hard to believe? lul
silk linden
" 1. Cocco is still on our roster and everyone in the organization still loves him. Coming into the season, we all knew that Cocco still had some work to do on his Winston play and that's why we signed xQc to the team to fill that gap. xQc just did not pan out on the team so it put Cocco in a position where he really had to catch up. The decision to play Taimou instead of Cocco on main tank was not made by me nor did I have influence on that decision. That was purely a coach's decision. We're working with him to find out what is best for his future whether that be remaining with us or having him available for another team. Sorry I don't have more for you on that at the moment.
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Before we signed OGE, we had absolutely no idea he had participated in boosting. The league completed the standard investigation in his approval process. There was just no way for anyone to know he had done that without some really detailed knowledge. When we found out, OGE was very forthcoming about his minor involvement which the league addressed with a suspension and we addressed with OGE. He is really a great person who made a mistake that we find to be forgiveable and hope the fans do too. At this point, we think both Effect and OGE are true teammates.
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I addressed this earlier in the AMA, but to summarize, we are adding additional staff to the team."
Ok yet another non answer on Cocco
slim summit
I'm really not sure I agree that this AMA is happening at all
silk linden
At this point, I think it boils down to, Cocco isn't that good anymore
pearl stratus
I think its more than that.
I think there's something in Cocco thats broken from EnvyUs.
silk linden
Nah
slim summit
We're not really gaining any meaningful insight ... it's not exactly a simple situation and everyone is asking for simple answers
pearl stratus
I mean no one expects that.
They're hoping to gather some information to make some form of conclusion on.
It's like the people who don't understand why DK hasn't said anything.
You'll never understand how this stuff works.
scarlet spear
xQc just did not pan out on the team so it put Cocco in a position where he really had to catch up. The decision to play Taimou instead of Cocco on main tank was not made by me nor did I have influence on that decision. That was purely a coach's decision. i would really love to know the reasoning of that call
pearl stratus
Vocalization, most likely.
Minus Custa they have no one who could call worth shit.
silk linden
The Taimou switch was for shot calling reasons
They needed a good shot calling tank, they thought why not
And I mean, Taimou agreed
silk linden
Well yeah, that was all in theory
hidden osprey
heck we even saw a clip of their comms when Taimou was playing MT and there was... nothing
silk linden
In practice Taimou hated playing tank and was never a right fit
Kyky trusted Taimou, but it didn't pan out
hidden osprey
"Our vision for the Dallas Fuel is a product of what we have developed over 10 years as one of the most competitive esports organizations in the planet. "
once again, talking more about his history than the present
no one gives a shit about what you've developed over the past 10 years, we want to know what you're developing now, and what you've been developing over the past 3 stages
pearl stratus
I'm more concerned that as an organization it took them this long to realize just how different OWL is from random tournaments.
scarlet spear
you'Re obviously not going to get more of an answer there
pearl stratus
I remember Stage 1 Seoul was like "No, we need a physical therapist. And a sports therapist. And a cook."
It obviously isn't helping anymore, but they realized it quickly.
We've got Chef Heidi getting the MVP card every game for Philly.
hidden osprey
maybe they need a team chef like Phili has 👀
pearl stratus
You joke, but I actually bet Heidi makes a TON of difference for that team.
hidden osprey
I wasn't joking...
scarlet spear
i can imagine proper food making a big difference instead of some rando takeout everyday for players health state
pearl stratus
All the food she makes look good af too.
twin dove
no wonder philly does well, they using them Food Hacks!
pearl stratus
Joona “Fragi” Laine, Philadelphia’s Finnish tank player, counts as two players, though, Marsh said.
twin dove
Power me up with a constantly healthy meal and I'd get out of plat! Lul
pearl stratus
The article is interesting because it talks about her getting them to eat things most people, let alone pro gamers, wouldn't eat
fresh turret
Well the food that the NYXL guys eat looks like sex, but it's probably expensive or smth
pearl stratus
Like she convinces them to eat Quinoa by mixing it in with the bacon and stuff.
fresh turret
Also that comment about Fragi is hilarious and one of the most finnish things a man can be considered imo
pearl stratus
The day’s menu is already set by the time we reach the supermarket: hoisin ginger beef and rosemary ranch chicken skewers with a side of bacon herb quinoa for lunch, and cajun-spiced baby back ribs with green beans and potatoes for dinner.
Like that sounds amazing.
Sign me up for Philly.
twin dove
let alone the skills she must be gaining from cooking for all those different ethnicities
fresh turret
Geguri's twitter is
twin dove
lol
pearl stratus
I love that. "I'm learning fashionable"
silk linden
Learning twitch chat on top of Mandarin and English
twin dove
watch out Geguri bringing that A game sass
fresh turret
Also that yeah
pearl stratus
"I'm learning fashionable" sounds 100% Ralph Wiggum.
silk linden
She's redifining English for the better
pearl stratus
Also apparently Heidi has the Fusion kids eating 3-5 pounds of veggies a day as a team.
silk linden
Good
pearl stratus
No wonder Carpe can snipe so much better now.
That much carrots is good for the eye sight.
Next level hacks.
And she's grooming Joemeister to be her sous chef since he doesn't actually get to play.
nimble sphinx
I just started watching OWL last week and I love watching Phili play. Already a fan of them
fresh turret
Lmao
silk linden
Mostly because of the dietary stuff
Man having a personal chef has to be the best
Man having a personal chef has to be the best
fresh turret
Rip meister
pearl stratus
Fusion support player Joe “Josemeister” Gramano stops to ask Marsh if she’s still willing to help him learn to cook on Friday. “Yep,” she responds. “Ravioli. Joe’s Italian.” They’ll roll the dough for the dumplings by hand. “I see a lot of Joe,” Marsh says. He gets up early for coffee.
Boston has a professional chef too.
fresh turret
O hot damn
pearl stratus
That was back when he was on Fnatic in LoL though lol
But dude can cook.
Top Lane, Main Tank, Chef. Gamsu is the most well rounded player in the league.
fresh turret
Dhak's got like a diploma in bbq
paper crag
Gamsu to retire from player position when he’s old, not take the beaten path of coaching but go into cooking
Optimized recipes for peak esport performance
silk linden
fresh turret
Yep
silk linden
Wholesome OWL
fresh turret
She's got a bit of an obsession for Muma
pearl stratus
Geguri seems too chill to not get along with.
Maybe he'll be her GBF.
Every girl needs a GBF.
silk linden
I want a gbf too
pearl stratus
Everyone does.
Do you know how much better my wardrobe would be if I had a GBF?
Also I'd probably get my hair cut with a real style not just "Whatever"
GBF's make life better.
river birch
pearl stratus
No one really knows, and Hastr0 I don't think is dumb enough to say more than the "one match he made him start xQc"
Rumors were always floating around that Kyky had limited input on getting Rascal/AKM though
My guess is based on the answers in the AMA Kyky might throw some shit out on twitter though
Just to defend himself.
He's dumb enough to do that.
slim summit
there's a pretty distinct gap between "KyKy had total control" and "I didn't make any roster decisions without consulting management heavily"
in terms of phrasing, I mean
so the context of those decisions are probably quite different, and I wouldn't discount the akm rumors
pearl stratus
I wouldn't either, but I know Hastr0 is smart enough to never confirm them either.
silk linden
Whatever, truth is never simple or easy to pin down, whatever happened happened, I just want them to win now
pearl stratus
Also Veex the Muma+FCTFCTN bromance is pretty good too.
If you didn't see - they basically have FCTFCTN taking maps that Muma didn't feel comfortable on, and then they work on each others weak maps.
silk linden
Does he get as raunchy with fct as he gets with Mendo?
pearl stratus
I think FCT is too awkward for that, but they're turning into a main tank buddy cop movie.
If you want random contact watch the new VAL video
Apparently Kariv is like.. everyones teddy bear.
silk linden
Seagull is a big hugger, but hugging season is probably over in Dallas
pearl stratus
Right now its Daddy has jumper cables season.
silk linden
You know who's a really wholesome OWL player
silk linden
DreamKazper
pearl stratus
I believe he's just holesome.
warped axle
I love Ark
pearl stratus
Everyone loves Ark.
Ark probably is some mass murderer.
Because so far everyone people really like turns out to be horrible.
silk linden
Except xQc is exactly as advertised
@slim summit weren't effect and akm blindsided by this?
pearl stratus
I mean Effect right now can probably do whatever he wants and the organization will let him.
silk linden
"We have given social media advisement repeatedly to our players. At the end of the day, we can't put tape over their mouths or prevent them from using their social media platforms. We have the ability to fine players contractually, which we have done, but other than that, we don't have the ability to silence them. This is something the fans can take up with the players themselves and has been an issue for the team environment no matter how many times we have addressed these issues with players. It is a tiring job."
slim summit
Not sure - didn't hear anything about that
silk linden
So, the players don't respect the higher ups
pearl stratus
Yet Philly can stop Eqo from streaming for two months.
Yeah. Totally powerless.
I bet.
Mhm.
urban quest
Different orgs different contracts maybe
scarlet spear
yeah considering its comcast, the players are probably in waterproof contracts
and i guess the atmosphere is a lot different in Fuel
pearl stratus
You mean not garbage?
scarlet spear
as the core being good friends with hastr0 probably changes the way he talks to them and their professionalism about contracts
pearl stratus
"If you keep posting on Twitter about team stuff you'll have to cook for yourself for a week."
scarlet spear
imagine that
you have to make food for yourself and sit at the table while everyone gets heidis food
pearl stratus
Grounded from Heidi.
twin dove
lol
silk linden
Cooking is a hassle
It's like cleaning
If you can afford to pay someone else to do it, it frees up so much time and energy
Both physically and mentally
pearl stratus
Honestly I prefer to batch cook, that works for me. Cooking every night is more stressful than me making two meals per day worth of options once a week for 2-3 hours.
When I worked retail I actually did it as a side business. I would make lunches in huge batches and coworkers could just pay me to make it for them too. Took advantage of the gym folk.
So banning people from Heidi would totally work.
twin dove
its why u get married, one person cooks and then the other cleans up afterwards, half the work lol
silk linden
Well it's not like banning people from Heidi means they gotta cook for themselves. You're still contractually obligated to feed them
You know what that means...
dusky gazelle
lel
slim summit
hastr0 throwin shade at Rascal
torpid charm
really? 👀
slim summit
that's probably the key privilege of being a top 6 team
if you have problem players, you can sell them and end your relationship amicably without a big fuss
but Fuel has to release them because nobody wants a bottom-3 reject
pearl stratus
Fuel had to release Rascal because they waited till after the trade deadline to make a decision.
There wasn't another option.
slim summit
well, yeah, in this case they were likely paying him too much
to justify just benching him and selling his contract next season
pearl stratus
Except in 99.8% of situations like this a release means they still pay out his contract.
slim summit
was that true for envy
i think we only know for xQc
probably untrue for undead and DK
pearl stratus
Envy most likely had his contract paid out.
UD and DK probably violated contract rights, so it would be null.
slim summit
if you already paid for him you might as well just keep him benched
but everyone would know anyway and not want to buy 
pearl stratus
Unless his presence is disruptive.
limber pine
^
slim summit
you can just not invite him to scrims etc
pearl stratus
And then you get fans asking where he is, etc, etc.
limber pine
there's not really a point to having him there if he's not doing anything
scarlet spear
or you could just give him the money he gets anyways and have space on the roster instead
and probably not care about his housing/food anymore
slim summit
having the space on the roster isn't really useful after april 3 or whenever it was
pearl stratus
Housing and food is.
Assume 3 meals a day, rough estimate of (low end) $6 a meal. So $18 a day, 365 days. Saves you 6600.
slim summit
but you don't have to pay it for 365 days
pearl stratus
It's LA, so most likely the cost per meal is much higher.
slim summit
contracts will be renewed or not by october
pearl stratus
I feel like you're intentionally dense.
slim summit
what is the point you're even making right now
pearl stratus
That its still more cost effective to cut someone even if they're doing nothing.
silk linden
" I will say that the situation changed and it was in our best interested to release Rascal from the team because of that." I am so 👀 👀 👀 right now
slim summit
they described rascal as an expensive pickup
silk linden
One day we'll know
slim summit
now, obviously they couldn't sell him for the same amount
pearl stratus
Each player is food, housing, insurance, and a myriad of other expenses.
slim summit
BUT depending on what the actual scope of contact purchases is
the margin may not be that substantial
assuming you can actually sell him
hence the privilege of top 6 teams
they will be able to sell their players
pearl stratus
Either way we don't even know when the next signing window is. It could be the same time next year. Which means you'll have someone who hasn't played, or scrimmed, in a year and you want to try and flip him?
You're better off buying out the contract and releasing him for another, new, org to pick up.
slim summit
if it's the same time next year that puts it in like october
pearl stratus
That was for teams to finalize their roster for the initial season.
It's unlikely they will do two signing windows.
Especially during off season when no ones actually playing.
slim summit
surely they would do a signing window before the 2nd season
especially if we're adding 4-8 teams or whatever it is rumored to be now
limber pine
i think you're going to see a lot of movement between season 1 and 2
even from good teams
hidden osprey
is hastr0 just straight up only saying "we addressed this earlier"?
3-1 
3-2 
1-3 
limber pine
he's saying things, and replying to people who asked the same question
twin dove
think that might be debatable
some might pay close enough attention to whats going on with the current setups to have a good handle on things
but on average, ya ur probably right lol
pearl stratus
It's more than just the handle on things, its building team cohesion (unless someone just buys and brings over like.. Meta Athena/Runaways) and getting people practiced on LAN.
scarlet spear
if runaway gets fully into season 2 OWL, you will find me instantly with that pink jersey
pearl stratus
How many of them left are over 18?
scarlet spear
i think only haksal ?
wet oyster
well he could rejoin
scarlet spear
runner is doing millitary service atm so hes out for a bit more than a year
wet oyster
oh
wet oyster
oh
pearl stratus
Then it'd be a worthwhile team to pick up, they've got a good culture and they always meshed well.
Though missing Runner is rip
scarlet spear
well maybe flowervin can take over duties like right now till runner is done with millitary service
torpid charm
I would by that Jersey too, such a nice color scheme
scarlet spear
just my personal dreams
pearl stratus
I hope they let people change some team colors.
Shanghai to pure red and black.
Gets best colorscheme in the league.
wet oyster
what's their academy team colors
scarlet spear
pink/teal
wet oyster
ewwww
lament dune
Pink/teal actually combos really well.
wet oyster
ok it is cool
pearl stratus
Too bad their team is kind of bad 😦
Though watching Mangachu get an Attack Torb run off of them was fun.
fresh turret
Mayhem academy colors are absolute fire
FUCKING FIRE
Also if I bought my skins based on looks alone I'd get dragons' Mercy or D.va skin
torpid charm
I like Dragons Zarya because of the contrast of her bright pink hair and the bright red of the skin
fresh turret
It would be pretty funny if her hair color went along with the team colors
scarlet spear
thats what i hate about the sombra skins
that the hair just doesnt fit the team colors
balmy wolf
but widow has team tattoos
pearl stratus
I think thats more they had nowhere else to put the team logo
And it made the most sense.
torpid charm
the only reason why I hate Widow's is because of her blue skin color
scarlet spear
thats why you use kerrigan/nova/talon
summer tangle
I use tricolore
torpid charm
the league skin that works best with her is obviously Dallas because the blue
balmy wolf
the Blue Coast skin has the same color despite looking differently
balmy wolf
excelsior widow is spiderwoman
hazy arrow
Do you think FMH will have same colors as their academy?
torpid charm
nah
vestal mortar
Give my country tokens for watching and let me watch one match every game day and I'm sold.
pearl stratus
I mean the country tokens tend to have more to do with individual country laws sadly.
pearl stratus
Bureacracy at its finest, fucking as many people as possible.
vestal mortar
Me too Fire, things are looking up! 😄
pearl stratus
I think the best thing they could do would be to shift the weekend games. Times a bit more flexible then. Though its interesting to think which way they'd have to shift it.
magic zinc
"The entire interview breaks down some of the cities and regions that Blizzard is focused on, but Nanzer specifically names Paris, Berlin, Beijing, Guangzhou, and Bangkok as prime targets for expansion. Nanzer also expressed interest in expanding to Australia, New Zealand, and Brazil as markets for potential interest. He was quick to add that there's is plenty of interest here on the Overwatch League's home turf of NA as well."
I'm surprised at Guangzhou
scarlet spear
well its a massive city i guess
torpid charm
that's exciting ashell
pearl stratus
It's still the most populus city in Southern China, it makes sense.
pearl stratus
Also China makes up a huge chunk of spectators/potential players.
Realistically.
China is a huge market.
spring lintel
So kyky had full control always
spring lintel
Who started the kyky had no control rumor?
pearl stratus
Hastr0.
pearl stratus
Twitter
spring lintel
Which I doubt
wet oyster
hastr0 did an ama?
pearl stratus
Yeah no. No one on Dallas would lie.
To a bunch of retards who'd believe em.
Never!
limber pine
@wet oyster #esports-news bro
spring lintel
Yeah he didn’t interfere with anything kyky did other than giving xqc the chance to play against LAG.
wet oyster
out of the loop im sorry
magic zinc
Oh crap I didnt read the AMA yet
pearl stratus
If you believe him.
spring lintel
@pearl stratus can’t lie or it would he a huge scandal
pearl stratus
Your choice on what you want to do.
Prove he's lying.
Prove he's telling the truth.
No scandal either way.
pearl stratus
Yeah, who'd want a boss that did that.
spring lintel
Just leak and act like nothing happened
The league is big and they all talk to each others
scarlet spear
rascals stream tonight is going to be spicy
spring lintel
Sounds like he is not lying to me
pearl stratus
Hey, if you want to blindly believe him go for it.
People voted for Trump after all.
And they think the earths flat.
And vaccines cause autism.
limber pine
wut
spring lintel
Lmao you are crazy
pearl stratus
Hyperbole for fun 😛
limber pine
let's steer back to topic
spring lintel
Why would he lie?
pearl stratus
To shut people up. The main reason why anyone lies.
He had to say something, that wasn't ever in question.
spring lintel
You risk your reputation to shut people up?
pearl stratus
What reputation does he actually have left, to be honest.
Within the league you've got analysts, and other owners calling you out.
pearl stratus
He... hired the coach.
spring lintel
That won them a shit ton
It’s simply not his fault
I am not saying 100% believe him but I really doubt he would lie so blatantly.
pearl stratus
They won't. Damages their reputation and his more.
Someone may leak it.
But they'll never actually talk about it.
Same with Cocco.
spring lintel
Maybe he is too loud or talkative or something like this?
Cause we have seen him communicate in the league
magic zinc
Something happened but they'll never tell us what exactly
spring lintel
And when DF players got interviewed they all said he talks A LOT
scarlet spear
rascal is streaming later, maybe he'll give us some juice
spring lintel
You know when?
limber pine
magic zinc
Bless the person who compiled that all
pearl stratus
I just want to see Effect follow through on his cryptic quitting tweet.
limber pine
You can thank @drifting oyster
magic zinc
+1 for you my man
drifting oyster
np!
pearl stratus
Not even a mod, making em all look bad.
drifting oyster
haha. they would've done it if i hadn't; they have a ton going on right now though so figured it's one less thing on their plates
magic zinc
Damn mods amirite?
hazy arrow
Thank you @coarse folioScrutiny#7675 Now I just hope they will finally make it work and so Dallas can finally become what everybody expected them to be
paper crag
So what’s the takeaway from the AMA?
Any exciting revelations?
Confirmations of popular theories?
scarlet spear
exotic flint
do you guys think ow is dying?
ember jewel
Nah
The community just stopped talking about good things, only taking the time to write something when it's a rant
silk linden
Whenever a community isn't exponentially growing, people say it's dying. Perspective my dude
brisk roost
limber pine
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ruby pendant
What does the 1st place team get when they win?
Do they win cash, enter the league, or etc?
ruby pendant
That's not too bad,.
paper crag
is whoru still playing at 150 ping lol
summer tangle
Why are there no matches Monday-wednesday
paper crag
there are matches wednesday though
just nitpicking but still
unless you mean for contenders, which i know nothing about
i was talking about owl
vestal berry
is contenders worth watching?
whole root
slim summit
I find it hard to adapt to watching the old spectator client they use in Contenders
team colors etc are too good
vestal berry
at first team colors got me more confused, especially teams with white bullets, but as i got used to it, it made OWL much more fun to watch
torpid charm
when you sleep for 6 hours and miss watching Fusion Uni 
limber pine
It'll be good to watch when we're closer to more teams getting added for Season 2
vestal berry
what matches are happening tm?
torpid charm
both LA teams play each other
SanFran vs. Dallas
Shanghai vs. Seoul
onyx shore
i hope seoul will play xepher just to provoke geguri and adding some drama
onyx shore
xepher is one of the guys who accused geguri of hacking back then in korea
slim summit
oh lol
onyx shore
iirc,some of the accuser said that "if she turns out to be not hacking,i will quit pro ow"
if i'm not mistaken,xepher also said that
slim summit
That's much more innocuous than I expected
but it's good spicy drama
though tbf she's got UNREAL tracking
onyx shore
what people sometimes misunderstand is that xepher accuse geguri not bcos of her gender,he didnt know
slim summit
i'm just a diamond scrub but i'd 100% think she was hacking too
twin dove
be nice if they made a home color like they did an away color, that way u could easily use the same system for contenders
it would just always be Red vs.....lets do Blue because why not.
lol
oh wait away is white....
twin dove
sucks that I can't watch contenders, that crap is at 5-6am for me haha
desert halo
What's going on guys?
torpid charm
xQc for MVP
supple prism
rascal, for being let go after trade window ended
sullen berry
Pray 4 Monte
balmy wolf
M OMEGALUL N T E
onyx shore
what happened?
btw
overwatch league youtube channel just uploaded almost all of their previous stage VODs flooding their subscriber sub box
causing many people to unsub
lul
supple prism
ha
broken fog
I heard about what monte said
onyx shore
about?
onyx shore
watchpoint or oversight?
broken fog
I forgot which one is that
but that was so frustrate quote I've heard
as a Korean Fan
north beacon
onyx shore
you mean that korean caster dont want to mention oge name?
onyx shore
imo,both of opinions are right
broken fog
Yes
onyx shore
monte should've known this,afaik he lives in korea for a long time
onyx shore
i still think korean attitudes towards booster is a little bit too much
onyx shore
but hey,that's how serious korean in esport
broken fog
and NA should have to tight
onyx shore
like,what they gonna do? fine the caster who refused to mention oge name?
onyx shore
nah
broken fog
This is so sad Boosting is too bad in only Korea
onyx shore
they did it pre owl
onyx shore
it's not murder
korean attitude towards booster is too much
it's not like oge and sado are drug kingpins murdering innocent people
broken fog
but not be accept
as a Korean
They really want:Ban forever
What they did:Suspend.
onyx shore
this is only my opinion
i dont think boosting should get you lifetime ban
from the game
especially oge
Sado is debatable
broken fog
Have you ever heard about
onyx shore
because he's the kingpin
broken fog
Korean PUBG E sports
onyx shore
just because it's bad in korea doesnt mean it's bad all over the world
broken fog
They made kind of player organization
onyx shore
doesnt mean the whole world have to agree with korea
onyx shore
in my country you can get death penalty for smoking weed,do you think the whole world should agree?
broken fog
But there little bit affection in Korea
onyx shore
just because boosting is a crime in korea,doesnt men the whole world have to adopt korean standard
onyx shore
and i think blizzard should respect korean casters that dont want to mention booster's name
minor flame
KR OW was technically ruined by boosting so its justified to see that kind of standpoint
sullen berry
He's made a losing bet that Fuel would win against the shock. Keep in mind his pick was made before Rascal and KyKy had been released @onyx shore
onyx shore
@sullen berry lawl
sullen berry
It's was pretty funny, this week has had indefensible luls
broken fog
But PUBG got ruined by hackers
onyx shore
hacking is not the same as boosting
sullen berry
Boosting is not a high priority for reasons that it is a lot harder to pick up than say the player genuinely improving on their own terms
Nobody wants to be false flagged for boosting the same way anyone can be reported for aimbots or hacking without significant evidence to back it up
broken fog
agree..
And Many Korean fan think this is not respect the player
they got garentee for being OWL player for 1 year
but 4 people has been released
WTF OWL like rhis
onyx shore
xqc is blizzard's victim of bias
rascal is hastro's
you can argue with that two
but i dont think you can compare boosting with what dreamkazper allegedly did
broken fog
This is What Korean is so serious about E-Sports Toooo much
onyx shore
everyone need to chill out
broken fog
I think that is kind of stereotype of Korean E Sports
onyx shore
i think if korean casters doesnt want to mention oge name,so be it,blizzard should respect korean mindset/culture in regards of booster
onyx shore
vice versa
onyx shore
korean needs to respect blizzard deicision to keep oge and sado
broken fog
Yes
they have to respect
They don't know about OGE and Sado did boost
Just scout him
Right
?
Btw
broken fog
was any match fixing scandal in non korea?
onyx shore
there are in csgo
supple prism
Fuel knows about oge i believe
onyx shore
but tbh
how good are these boosters anyway?
are they on the same level as top players in korea?
like SBB,pine,or RJH ?
broken fog
not good enough
for suvive
Hm..
For me not same level
If SBB PINE RJH and others are Tier 1
They..are in....like 2.5~3
like this
And what is Tbh?
fresh turret
Most people use it to fill empty space in sentences nowadays
hazy arrow
I think Dallas didnt know about OGE's boosting before he joined Fuel
supple prism
thats what the owner said, but they know now and are not gonna kick him out because of it. just i fine i guess
in his AMA
hazy arrow
Im honestly glad they wont
A) Im glad they wanted to give him second chance
B) Hes an insane tank player
supple prism
and i generally dont think they can afford to at this time
broken fog
I thibk this is B
sullen berry
Megathread translation of Rascals' livestram an hour ago by @𝓥𝓮𝓼𝓼𝓲𝓶𝓮𝓻 ❄🍵 🔥#1366 https://twitter.com/gatamchun/status/986473815256584193
My TL;DR
He did work with the coaches/translators and really appreciates working with Kyky, overconfidence form Kongdoo days is what diminished his out of game + in game performance.
He apologised to aKm, OGE is alright (hate the crime, not the person), Rascal would like to learn how to stream from xQc (to an extent), and he'll definitely continuing playing with NA pros as Free Agent
also rascal started a discord server
Twitter
deft valley
A lot of players have their own
magic zinc
Wouldnt he get into visa trouble as he's out of a job now?
broken fog
Wait
Boosted the other accout=do fix the rank game (I mean rank game match) ...it isn'r right?
"Why don't people wonder "wow, how bad must boosting be in Korea for casters to ignore OGE?" rather than be like "these casters are weird for not mentioning OGE"
Some one tweeted about this
hazy arrow
"Why don't SOME(!) Koreans wonder "wow, maybe people in other countries have to deal with more serious stuff than just boosting, we should probably accept that and stop trying to make them adopt our POV" rather than be like "fking idiots, our way is the only way, they should just accept it!!!!"
Again, SOME Koreans, not (ALL) Koreans
broken fog
agree
That was only way
No excuse
That is why I really don't like KR fandom Even I am Korean
hazy arrow
I mean, we know boosting is bad, nobody is saying otherwise
Its just its not that big problem
Its like with parking your car somewhere where you cant park
broken fog
Actally NA should accpet What KR's problem and
hazy arrow
Is it bad/illegal? Yes
broken fog
KR should accpet what NA's problem too
hazy arrow
But should we make a huge deal of it? No
Eh
Nope
Just let both sides explain their problems to the other side
hazy arrow
If you make them accept something, they wont
broken fog
I really hate KR fandom's mind
hazy arrow
But give them an option and reasoning and they may accept it
broken fog
Do you know about LTJ scandal?
I wasn't a big deal
and Fandom make that worse
I think Monte is Target of KR fandom right now..
hazy arrow
No, i dont.... was it in Korean pro-gaming scene?
broken fog
Yes
That wasn't serious scandal
but fandom made that worse
That was just rumour and fandom make that like real
I really hate that..
Fandom ruin the player.
hazy arrow
DF vs Shock tonight, that will be interesting
broken fog
Oh
hazy arrow
Effect - ??? - OGE - Mickie - UnKoe - Harryhook
broken fog
Might be akm
Korean fans are so sensitive.
KR fan should have to loose for little bit
(I am KOREAN But I think like that)
If i said in KR...i might be blamed and get attacked so much
hazy arrow
SEAGULL PLS
hazy arrow
Hastr0 said yesterday that we will see Seagull more
I mean it makes sense
We have 4 DPS
One of them is Effect
The other 3 are Seagull, aKm and Taimou
aKm is (currently) pretty much able to play Soldier only and kind of Pharrah
Taimou hasnt gained his confidence back
So its SEAGULL TIME
visual pike
Akm is practicing him but is not on the level of gengu mains
scarlet spear
seagull
onyx shore
i still smell bullshit on this toxic rascal thing
those accusing him of being toxic is akm and winz
which is like being accused of racism by adolf hitler
DF's best genji player now is practically seagull
cedar oxide
Boosting should be made a big deal.
Its toxic af
You're practically lying about your SR
Showing people something thats not really there
They'll think you have skill to be in the tier you're in
When you're actually just plat trash
broken fog
Agree
cedar oxide
It's practically fraud.
fresh turret
yeah, but how could it be stopped?
stoic anchor
We try and prevent advertising of boosting on this server
It's not the only way to stop it but we hope it helps even a tiny bit
bright holly
If you get boosted to master from like plat or whatever the chances of you staying there without continuously boosting are slim
With that said I don't think it's a huge problem in NA, yet.
So that's why not much is being done about it
silk linden
In kr you see boosters all the time
It's easier to get away with and people care more about the game so they do it
I don't imagine that many people would be willing to pay money to have a higher sr in the West
silk linden
Twitter
Waaay ahead of you there Kyle
JK he seems like a good dude I wish him success
hidden vault
But Genji would be seen less in OWL tbh, it's more of Tracer Widow/Mcree/Soldier which would most likely be played by aKm
silk linden
I always thought of him as probably not a bad coach per se, but not the person Dallas needed right now.
Hastro's right, they need a reset
scarlet spear
i can imagine him being signed as some kind of player manager
onyx shore
from all the convo,looks like he's not a head coach material
scarlet spear
from what we heard hes an amazing person on a personal level
yeah just not head coach material, what he was doing in DF
onyx shore
he's probably great as assistant coach though
scarlet spear
assistant coach/player manager/GM would probably fit him well
onyx shore
i mean,not the type to force and exercise authority in team
you know,more like big brother type
The league runs in several regions around the world, and is run through Blizzard Entertainment, ESL, FACEIT and Starladder.
ESL
oh FFS blizzard
scarlet spear
facebook streaming 
onyx shore
ESL should just go and fucking die
lament dune
I don't think this is the ESL I'm familiar with.
fresh turret
What's ESL
forest raven
Esports League
lament dune
That's what I figured this one was. The ESL I'm familiar with is English as Second Language, hence my comment.
torpid charm
silk linden
torpid charm
I agree
granite anvil
i’m expecting the gladiators to beat valiant and london to beat boston so NYXL is back up where they belong
warped axle
In stage 3 playoffs I'd like to see NYXL, Fusion, Glads, and then Seoul/London/Boston
silk linden
Geguri to reconcile xQc and Muma
torpid charm
I see a Shock win happening tonight I hope
cedar oxide
Geguri is an AMAZING tank
onyx shore
I'm working to create a possible talkshow that would take place before every OWL week. Unique format for top juice and spice. Feel free to suggest possible co-hosts that would be a good fit. Hopefully it would be live and chat would get to participate.
— xQc (@xQc) April 18, 2018
this is it boys
lament dune
I wouldn't watch anything xQc is connected to.
onyx shore
emm...nobody gonna force you,right?
lament dune
I didn't say anyone would...?
limber pine
i would also not watch an xQc talk show
i suspect it would be an extension of his stream
onyx shore
re-reading this thread btw,looks like boosting is a very serious shit in korea
deft valley
it is
onyx shore
i'd be pissed too if i'm korean
deft valley
outcry from the korean scene was the reason Sado was punished at all
they take it way more seriously than in the west
onyx shore
this is probably an equivalent if let's say a popular one trick/ruiners become and overwatch league player
onyx shore
well,it's just what ifs
deft valley
for two, there's a very wide gap between a person playing the way they want, for and by themseves, with the goal to win, even if it's not one that's supported by the community
and a person making money off of making the games unfair
if you're talking about tracer/dva/zen players, they're not one-tricks
they only play one hero in the league because they don't need to play others
but they very well can
onyx shore
then again,i think in terms of KR casters not mentioning oge name,i think blizzard should do nothing
royal acorn
onyx shore
it's a korean broadcast for korean audience anyway
deft valley
dude, just
if you don't know, don't butt in
yeah I don't think the caster thing will go anywhere
warped axle
JJonak is a one trick
deft valley
monte's not gonna get in trouble for shit
deft valley
He's extremely good at zen, and zen is extremely good in meta
cedar oxide
and widow?
cedar oxide
I mean they're forced to kinda turn into one tricks
warped axle
I should have probably put an /s
cedar oxide
They're support and extremely good at a specific hero
warped axle
Though every time I've watched his stream he has seemed to only be playing Zen
I just probably missed his McCree
and Widow
cedar oxide
Do you have all access pass in OWL league streams kuni?
onyx shore
hell,if i can understand korean,i want to watch the korean streams when sado finally playing
warped axle
No fuck that
cedar oxide
Oh lol
onyx shore
i wonder what would the casters says,also the chat
cedar oxide
Well we saw some of the coaches and someone asked why he's always on zen
and he said hes comfortable on zen and doesn't want to screw over his team with any bad plays
plus he's known on NYXL as a support so its hard for him to go outside of that boundary unless they practiced it
and they usually practice 2x2x2
Oh I know a little bit of korean
onyx shore
meanwhile dallas fuel deliberately made taimou play winston
cedar oxide
Yeah
onyx shore
cedar oxide
And taimou is an amazing DPS player
Him not knowing how to feel in on the team is understandable because hes not used to playing these roles 24/7
onyx shore
i think taimou has been complacent,and now everyone already ahead of him
he should be able to bounce back,but i don't know if he can do it in DF
personally,i dont want him to become 2nd iddqd
onyx shore
but where
onyx shore
too full
cedar oxide
They have a lot of DPS yeah.
onyx shore
sinaatra,danteh,architect,bbby
cedar oxide
LAD?
onyx shore
gladiators?
cedar oxide
YEah I mean LAG
Or Boston?
Especially since um.
One of their dps checked out early.
onyx shore
i don't think he can thrive in glads though,they got silkthread
cedar oxide
He could be put there
onyx shore
he'd have to compete with sdb,snillo,and eqo
cedar oxide
They barely put shadowburn on
onyx shore
i'd day florida mayhem if they haven't got sayaplayer already
cedar oxide
TVIQ is good on genji too so florida has it down
They did really good on their recent matches too
onyx shore
shadowburn is genji and pharah mostly
i dont think taimou's genji and pharah is better than him
cedar oxide
He never gets put in with carpe or snillo anymore
onyx shore
it's a long shot,probably wait for more teams in the league
cedar oxide
Yeah they're going to be more international teams
cedar oxide
If theres a finland team or a team set around there then a lot of the players are set
onyx shore
i don't think it would work...
cedar oxide
SHD is strictly like chinese and asian,
onyx shore
i wonder what chinese viewers think about this new SHD team
like yeah they are getting better
cedar oxide
Is undead back yet?
onyx shore
but getting better on the back of foreign players
lilac atlas
SHD is already relying on Koreans now
cedar oxide
Are you serious?
cedar oxide
Undead was so good
torpid charm
he was alright imo
torpid charm
the strategy they had in terms of working when he was starting, it wasn't best for the team. but his Mcree is damn good I won't lie
cedar oxide
Diya is still on right?
onyx shore
i think they can go with other western dps equally
onyx shore
nah
lilac atlas
But now its communication
onyx shore
i mean previous stages
cedar oxide
MG sucked winston dick
cedar oxide
Mickie relies on his team to make plays
onyx shore
i just wonder what chinese audience think of this situation
cedar oxide
When there are a lot of aggressive D.vas who can do a lot of them on themselves
torpid charm
it was gr8 seeing MG play literally anything else when their two DPS weren't there
onyx shore
as we know that those three east asian nations hate each other
cedar oxide
Wait is it true valiant is trading a lot of their players because of toxicity? or like bad blood
or was that a different team
onyx shore
the one accused to be toxic is envy
cedar oxide
I feel like he would be toxic too tbh
onyx shore
unkoe is....well,if you can get rid of him and get custa,i'll do it thousands times
cedar oxide
The only reason i like valiant is because of aglities.
onyx shore
skill wise unkoe and custa is probably the same
torpid charm
I feel like Custa is better
onyx shore
but unkoe is like chernobyl
cedar oxide
Custa is way better
I like how custa honestly made the enviroment around Valiant much better
cedar oxide
I mean custa can be with soon now
And agilities
So like all of IMT was in valiant
I was kind of waiting
onyx shore
well,seoul really underutilized bunny
they can't decide either munchkin,weeked,or bunny
turns out they should've kept bunny and kick weeked
cedar oxide
I honestly don't know who the better tracer is between them.
torpid charm
now it's Munchkin and Fleta or Munchkin and Wekeed
onyx shore
fleta only got subbed off bcos he's sick
torpid charm
they're the same to me but Bunny being a tad bit better than Munchkin, both gr8 Tracers though
onyx shore
if everyone is on top condition
pearl stratus
Bunny has an issue where he really is the last of the people who really -only- play Tracer.
torpid charm
as they say Fleta is Meta
pearl stratus
So his team needs to be on point in making space for him or else he can't contribute.
cedar oxide
I know bunny is a one trick
pearl stratus
LAV has done a good job of making space for him, and Soon has been great as a "We need to take Soon out, not Bunny"
Which lets Bunny go aggro.
pearl stratus
You should watch the last LAV game then.
Because he literally fucked the entire other team by himself.
Multiple times.
torpid charm
he popped tf off
pearl stratus
My favorite was Bunny giving no fucks.