temportals is getting irrationally mad about this for some reason
#esports-discussion
civic marsh
warm quartz
She could have stopped at any time and didnt
hazy arrow
Well, she seems to want that attention
deft valley
this is literal victim blaming at this point
warm quartz
Thats on her and will eventually bite her
deft valley
you don't say
unborn portal
She’s a victim but she’s also an idiot
limber pine
Temporals really?
unborn portal
She knew what was going on
warm quartz
Hmm? I’m simply stating it will eventually come back to bite her
deft valley
she's also fucking 14
warm quartz
Im not wrong, correct?
limber pine
who cares
forest jackal
Do people really not realize how fucked up it is for a CELEBRITY to use his CELEBRITY status to attempt to FUCK 14 year olds.
stuck meadow
Anyone saying the girl is not in the wrong at all is delusional af
forest jackal
I dont give a fuck about the 14 year old
deft valley
teenagers being stupid is the reason we have consent laws
civic marsh
thank u @forest jackal
warm quartz
Romeo and juliet laws!
forest jackal
I care about someone using their power to fuck 14 year olds.
warm quartz
For example!
deft valley
"but she's stupid" is not a reason that he's not a creep
stuck meadow
@forest jackal Fuck? Fuck? All he did was be some cringy ass weirdo in dm's
nova pelican
no one is saying he's not a creep
stuck meadow
Dont get me wrong
forest jackal
I said attempt to fuck
stuck meadow
Hes fucking weird
vagrant niche
so it's official now
deft valley
@stuck meadow attempt
vagrant niche
he's a real pedo
warm quartz
And why in most High school handbooks the rules for dances say “no 21+ 20 or younger only”
forest jackal
who knows
stuck meadow
When did he attempt to meet up and fuck her
deft valley
that's grooming
warm quartz
But lets move on
hazy arrow
Alright, if you were sending nudes to strangers when you were 14, say "dreamkazperdidnothingwrong"
vagrant niche
they terminated his contract
deft valley
@hazy arrow does that count if the stranger was 15
forest jackal
IMO
pearl stratus
They were going to terminate his contract regardless of guilt
forest jackal
legally he's in the clear
oak schooner
legally
forest jackal
I dont think he did anything legally wrong
hazy arrow
Yep
civic marsh
there are allegations of nudes exchanged so
hazy arrow
It does count
civic marsh
he might not be in the clear
pearl stratus
Neither would she if his lawyers are smart.
So they'll both ignore it most likely.
nova pelican
if they find cp on his electronics then...
deft valley
fucking what
stuck meadow
Welp hes fucked
rancid crest
More dreamkazper allegations
stuck meadow
but hopefully hes not that retarded
fresh turret
oh we back to this
forest jackal
@nova pelican You'd have to be a fucking retard to not shoot 00 buck through your harddrives if you had CP in this situation
rancid crest
Can i post link here ?
fresh turret
fantastic
rancid crest
fresh turret
great
forest jackal
yeah
warm quartz
GREAT
nova pelican
well kazper isnt exactly the smartest
stuck meadow
A 2nd victim?
warm quartz
LOL
pearl stratus
The second victim was hours ago.
stuck meadow
Fake tbh
nova pelican
so who knows
pearl stratus
Old news.
forest jackal
that was also 100 percent grooming
rancid crest
Yeah found out from a post in Facebook
warm quartz
It might be someone piggy backing so
forest jackal
once again it could be false yeah
rancid crest
True
hazy arrow
16yo are mature enough to talk about guns and basically change the whole politics but 14yo is not smart enough to not send nudes to strangers. L-O-L
fresh turret
not great btw, sarcastic (although it isn't the time for that)
forest jackal
But we gotta remember that Blizz is a private organization and he's at "will" employement
stuck meadow
Theres always multiple victims when it comes to this shit man
nova pelican
she could be a fellow outlaw slut member
lament dune
Never assume piggybacking
silk linden
Imagine if this had happened before the Megyn kelly interview and she had brought it up to jake 
stuck meadow
You serious? ^
pearl stratus
I mean either way.
He's out of the league.
So it doesn't really matter anymore.
In terms of this channel.
rancid crest
Yes
rancid crest
Tracer sombra
stuck meadow
Sure
nova pelican
megyn kelley might try to fuck on jake
deft valley
bazooka vs Y&B
pearl stratus
With their bicycles.
nova pelican
based on the interview
warm quartz
Oof
forest jackal
Drama discussion only
deft valley
I'm seeing a decent amount of sombra
fresh turret
drama-discussion
warm quartz
Is contenders just sombra cancer
deft valley
and liking it
deft valley
there's a bit of her but she's not everywhere
pearl stratus
❤
hazy arrow
Is there anybody else who after watching OWL isnt hyped up for Contenders? i would like to watch that but it just isnt like OWL
warm quartz
Do we have data on how often she’s popped up on contenders?
pearl stratus
Contenders gets less rigid comps.
nova pelican
contenders is boring imo
pearl stratus
So it can be more fun.
deft valley
i think winstonslab has it
pearl stratus
Like Mangachu pulling out an attack torb.
To shit all over Floridas Contenders team
Since they're horrible.
deft valley
there's a guy on y&b balling out on hanzo lmao
fresh turret
the disrespect that can be had in contenders is dumb
deft valley
no wai?
the actually good teams aren't afraid to play around with the comps when they play each other too though
pearl stratus
But they don't run an attack torb unless they mean disrespect.
deft valley
like it's not attack-torb level
but less rigid than OWL's basically four comps
in which four heroes are all the same
pearl stratus
Yeah its less rigid.
THough sadly its less rigid because thanks to the OWL.
Contenders really doesn't matter anymore lol
stuck meadow
Still waiting for the day I see torb on attack in OWL
pearl stratus
They're fun to watch, but everyone knows its just the minor leagues for OWL now.
deft valley
so?
deft valley
people watch actual minor leagues
"mattering" doesn't matter much itself
it's not like they don't play to win
pearl stratus
You have a few small teams that could be bought by orgs, but most likely people will be bought off piece by piece from teams.
vestal kettle
D R E A M K O Z B Y
nova pelican
dreamdad
forest wharf
TEENGRAZPER
fresh turret
How many even matchups are possible in contenders?
ok then
I guess we're going there again
limber pine
what do you mean "even matchups"?
pearl stratus
Four years late and after he's been released.
Old news.
@fresh turret There's a bunch of decent match ups, but its a bit harder to tell on average for casual view because suddenly latency matters again.
KR contenders actually tend to all be close matches.
grizzled trout
anything different with him since last night
oof
fiondfidsondsnjfds
i get the situation but im sad for him not because of the fact if he did it or not just because its talent wasted
grizzled trout
seemed nice he went to all team signings and stuff
steep robin
Mangachu to boston
limber pine
signing period is over
steep robin
for next season
steep robin
nah he is the next best NA pharah
silk linden
have we seen any Torb in stages 2 and 3?
steep robin
one or two uses I think
grizzled trout
esca comes back lol
i remember that apex s3 trans bait
where is luffy?
oh he's still kongdoo
steep robin
I think manga might still be the best, but you might be right, it might be talespin
maiden cairn
Dreamkazper out, that freaking pedo.
steep robin
^
I think he had issues socially tho
he said something about private school
and I had friends who were super weird with girls because of that
maiden cairn
xqc broke the owl conduct rules
dreamkazper broke a federal law ( i think )
steep robin
all boys schools fuck over a lot of of kids who dont talk to people out of school
but I am assuming a lot with that
warm quartz
Not an excuse.
steep robin
and he didnt break any i dont thin
maiden cairn
who
steep robin
unless there is proof that hhe exposed himself
maiden cairn
dreamkazper?
steep robin
and if he still has the pics from her
she also broke laws tho
if he asks
then yeah
I didnt see any sc of him asking tho
maiden cairn
why would boston terminate a contract if he was inno?
steep robin
no its obv wrong
vagrant niche
he said he wanted jaw dropping pics
limber pine
at this point it doesn't matter
warm quartz
He's 21, first of all. That breaks the 13-20 age of consent laws. Romeo and juliet laws. So yes, he did break a law.
steep robin
but idk if he can be convicted
vagrant niche
to the 16 year old
warm quartz
Consent applying to dating, flirting, ect.
limber pine
Sports teams terminate contracts all the time before guilt or innocence is determined (in the eyes of the law)
steep robin
no i mean idk if there is litteral proof that he asked for pictures, he can flirt and talk but sexual pictures and soliciting them is illegal
warm quartz
It's why most high school handbooks for prom and dances say "No attendees 21 or older."
Because of those romeo and juliet laws.
warm quartz
It applies to most states.
steep robin
yeah I dont think he can get convicted tho
warm quartz
Standard age is 20 across the US. 19 in some, 18 in some
I'm speaking specifically about romeo and juliet laws
hazy arrow
20? wtf
steep robin
My ex who is 16 is dating a 20 year old
warm quartz
Which is usually 13-18, however, if they are age of consent (such as 16/17,) then it is 20.
It varies from state to state however.
I had to do my research on my laws when i wanted to date a senior lol
steep robin
lmaoooo
warm quartz
(Senior in high school)
steep robin
yeah I get you
warm quartz
To make sure we weren't breaking any laws by dating.
There are high school exceptions in some states
pliant magnet
In israel the age of consent is 14 and till you are 15 or 16 i don't remember you can have only a 3 years gap
warm quartz
Such as "Until graduation of high school of your first senior year with no additional years of being held back"
pearl stratus
Boston is a Kraft Org.
They're known for cutting off their players.
Bad publicity typically means you're on your own.
Unless they're completely assured of innocence.
pliant magnet
I wonder
If any other player (as she said they played with her) knew about what is happening and did nothing
pearl stratus
Won't know, and we won't hear much more about it since he's released.
torpid charm
goodbye Dreamkazper
silk linden
wonder how Ark is handling it
balmy wolf
Staff on?
scarlet spear
man busy all day and i get back to almost a days worth of new DK drama 
pearl stratus
I mean there's really no more drama. He got released.
vagrant niche
you been late, it started yesterday
pearl stratus
It's over.
silk linden
his release was like less than an hour ago
indigo barn
Boston continues to rise then
scarlet spear
i got to catch up with the story of the 2nd girl at least
pearl stratus
Second girl one is swiss cheese.
scarlet spear
yeah
pearl stratus
Lots of holes in the plot.
pearl stratus
And a plane ticket, but I've seen stupid guys spend way more because they're socially retarded.
pliant magnet
I know that this is weird asf for me to think, but if she played with the boston, she probably couldn't keep with them
Or they coached her
Or they trained her
Or she was good from the start
Or she is just terrible and couldn't keep up with them
pearl stratus
Wat.
She's a fan.
What are you even saying.
None of those are things that make sense.
pearl stratus
I helped Tom Bradys nanny once at my store.
pearl stratus
Doesn't mean I'm suddenly playing linebacker.
forest jackal
ever happening ever
pliant magnet
Also who is second girl? I didn't hear about that
deft valley
@forest jackal >one literally already in owl
vagrant niche
can't wait to see the spam of TriHard 14 on the league Wedn.
it's going to be real
twin dove
lol
deft valley
1>0 last I checked
deft valley
nice backtrack
forest jackal
Still none in any NA teams tho
deft valley
you know you don't have to butt into every convo right
pearl stratus
Social acceptability of women in gaming and dealing with the shitfucks of men in it.
pearl stratus
I wouldn't.
forest jackal
because there aren't any OBVIOUS physiological differences between men and women where one would be better at shooters
I dont think.
It'd be curious to try and figure out why
I mean
deft valley
even if there aren't any physical difference (which is debatable, different perception and everything)
there's massive cultural split
forest jackal
I mean yeah
pearl stratus
It's more a societal difference and accepted practice; girls playing games is a cultural weirdness.
forest jackal
I dont disagree
Eh
I dont think that's really that much of a case anymore
I mean
tbh
deft valley
it's a recent development
forest jackal
most players are what like
pearl stratus
The average age for a girl to start "gaming" has gone down, but its not at the same point as a guy.
pearl stratus
Most of the pro gamers started gaming way early - the only exception I can think of being Jake.
Who admits he didn't really start playing video games till he was 14-15.
forest jackal
I wonder if it has to do with the games being played as well though
Like, girls being less likely to play shooters etc
pearl stratus
To some extent - sure, but I don't think so anymore.
Especially in the case of OW.
forest jackal
the thing is
pearl stratus
Where its much more vibrant and flashy than that dreary CODesque war scenario.
pearl stratus
Also - women in gaming get a lot of shit. It's not exactly a conducive environment because the average gamer is really fucking weird and socially retarded.
So they say some questionable shit.
warm quartz
And then there's kiddos like me who are like "I grew up on pokemon. Fuck you."
I will admit, geguri seems really really sweet
I wanna hug her
She's one of the few players i'm determined to meet.
twin dove
seems like someone that might get walked all over thou
cause she's in that "boys club"
pearl stratus
Eh she handled her hacking thing well.
warm quartz
She's a sweetie nonetheless.
pearl stratus
She's got a pretty solid spine.
twin dove
Legit. 👍
warm quartz
I wanna meet her because she's nice and a bit of an idol for me
pearl stratus
For a representative who doesn't want to be a representative.
warm quartz
Defending her ass and being awesome
pearl stratus
She's a good one to have.
I think its also very important that she doesn't want to actively be a representative for girls, because it makes her motivation to play much more pure.
She's not a girl whos determined to be in the OWL. She's a player who wants to play.
twin dove
like endoken was saying about being socially retarded, geguri would probably be one of the only few worth meeting
most of the guys are probably cringey
lol
pearl stratus
Eh depends.
forest jackal
but I mean I do wonder if physiologically there's a difference too though.
With reaction times
etc
twin dove
i should invest more effort into paying attention to esports haha
warm quartz
Geguri, Muma, Jjonak, and flow3r are the three players i reaaally want to meet.
pearl stratus
Lol
twin dove
muma seems like a cringey person that'd still be fun to meet haha
pearl stratus
Muma seems like someone who's the exact same on stream as in person.
warm quartz
Muma's like awesome to me because he fucking gave me an A on a paper.
pearl stratus
So he's probably a riot.
twin dove
aye
pearl stratus
Like for all his retardedness.
warm quartz
His stream clip gave me a bonus point on a paper
warm quartz
So i want to personally thank muma for it
forest jackal
The only gaming personality I want to meet is Faker
And just hug him for 10 seconds or so
warm quartz
Jjonak, cause he's jjonak
Flow3r because i look up to him immensely.
As a 17 year old player myself, i look up to him. Geguri, for obvious reasons
indigo barn
Kephrii because he’s a good person
oak schooner
^ LUL
warm quartz
I wouldn't mind getting keph's signature, but not much else.
indigo barn
Yes
pearl stratus
Eh. Ark for me, because he just seems like a goofball. Ryuhejong because I'd like his perspective based on his age.
indigo barn
Yes
warm quartz
I'm not a fan of keph personally but i wouldn't mind a signature.
OH FUCK
I FORGOT ABOUT SLEEPY
I WANT TO PET SLEEPY'S FLOOFY HAIR
indigo barn
Western zen god
pearl stratus
Sleepy Toxic AF meme king.
I'd probably slap him upside his charlie brown round ass head.
indigo barn
Okay
twin dove
fun playing ana, when u hit sick sleep darts ppl call u budget ryu
pearl stratus
He's in the OWL now, he can't keep reporting one tricks like a tard.
He's gotta set a better image than that.
He needs a smack upside the head.
white dock
what dreamkazper did
pearl stratus
I'd also like to meet Jake.
warm quartz
I want to pet his hair, nothing else.
balmy wolf
Dreamkazper is in your house, you are 14, What do you do?
warm quartz
Rawkus seems nice too
pearl stratus
Because he's probably the smartest western player with Seagull.
oak schooner
does he have a knife?
pearl stratus
And I prefer cerebral players to mechanical players.
warm quartz
All of houston seems like they'd be fun to like go out to pizza with
But not much else
You'd go to like Cici's with them, but you wouldnt like be a groupie.
pearl stratus
I wouldn't mind having Coolmatt as a secret santa.
Considering he gave Jake like...
$200 worth of shit.
scarlet spear
i know they're not allowed to be seen with it, but i wonder if any of them drink
pearl stratus
They do Pfre.
scarlet spear
or if they legit just play all day
warm quartz
They do lol
pearl stratus
Coolmatt gave Jake a single malt scotch for his Secret Santa.
Lol
It's literally in their video.
silk linden
I wanna hang in the Outlaws den
scarlet spear
oh k
silk linden
they seem like cool dudes
pearl stratus
Just no drinking on stream, etc.
scarlet spear
yeah i know that
warm quartz
I still wanna hug geguri and thank her for being herself and not faking herself for anything. Same goes for a lot of players.
scarlet spear
but when i think about houston i always see linkzr in my mind...
warm quartz
I like the legit players, not the fakeass ones.
scarlet spear
dude probably lives off overwatch and anime
pearl stratus
Nah.
scarlet spear
no need for food or water
pearl stratus
Linkzr is the king.
silk linden
Linkzr has the hottest gf in the league
warm quartz
google cmere
silk linden
rip
scarlet spear
twin dove
k
leaden tulip
So uhm, what’s with this DreamKazpers stuff? I was gone for a week, anyone wanna fill me in?
warm quartz
OH SHIT HE REALLY IS
pearl stratus
He's no longer in the OWL.
warm quartz
dont ask
pearl stratus
That's about it.
warm quartz
Dont start the cancer.
leaden tulip
Why
warm quartz
Please.
pearl stratus
For everything else JFGI.
silk linden
actually who's better Mrs Linkzr or Mrs Eff3ct
scarlet spear
TLDR: he was horny, she was 14
pearl stratus
JFGI good sir.
warm quartz
Look around on twitter, its everywhere.
pearl stratus
JFGI.
warm quartz
Otherwise please dont bring it in here for a bit
warm quartz
Triggers people too easily
silk linden
Mrs Eff3ct is hot but probs a bit too crazy
cyan tinsel
Dreamkazper 
pearl stratus
It's also off topic now.
warm quartz
And wow linkzr really is batting 1000 holy DICK
pearl stratus
This is an e-sports discussion.
silk linden
toldya
pearl stratus
And he's no longer in e-sports.
cyan tinsel
ACCUSATION
pearl stratus
Yeah, Linkzr and his girlfriend are a really sweet couple too.
She's from Mexico, iirc.
warm quartz
I'm laughing at this rn im like holt shit she's hot.
limpid estuary
I gotta say
warm quartz
Even tho im like genderblind and shit
limpid estuary
Im kind of surprised
warm quartz
FUCK ME SHES HOT
pearl stratus
You thought he only played hit scan because he could aim?
limpid estuary
That Sombra sees so much play
pliant magnet
If I could choose whichever team in the owl and spend a day in their company, glads philly or Houston
Sadly I can't.
pearl stratus
@limpid estuary I'm not atm. It's new and less counterable without really strong communicaiton.
warm quartz
Lol
pearl stratus
She plays havoc on an uncoordinated team.
pearl stratus
Give it 2-3 more weeks, and I think we'll see her normalize.
warm quartz
Quite literally.... "been here all along"
pearl stratus
As people get comfortable playing around her.
silk linden
not gonna brag, but I 100% called it
pearl stratus
She'll drop off once people can internalize her a bit more, imo.
limpid estuary
But like... Is her high playrate just because of all the D.Va/Zenyatta?
pearl stratus
But all these players are used to EMP timing from a defensive health pack perspective, and its super exploitable.
pliant magnet
Sombra got potg while i was hiding in the corner and my crit teammates started tbaging me
limpid estuary
Both heroes after their light tap still see more play than anyone els
Is it just because Sombra is exceptional at dealing with those 2 specifically?
pearl stratus
D'vas rockets arent in yet.
pearl stratus
They're still on PTR.
limpid estuary
What version of Sombra is this?
limpid estuary
Ok
limber pine
nerfed buff
limpid estuary
My bad
pearl stratus
Np.
limpid estuary
I thought those went live with Sombra
pearl stratus
But yes. Sombra shuts down Lucio (who had a 50% pick rate in Stage 2)
And locks down a portion of dive.
pearl stratus
If you want to go watch the Shocks opening game against LAG.
And you'll kind of get a solid story of why Sombra is picked highly.
Danteh basically solo'd LAG through 3 maps with her.
Shut down Fissure entirely.
warm quartz
Sombra needs a tweak vs lucio imo. 50% heals and 25% speed boost instead. Distorted song or playing mexican music remix c:
pearl stratus
Once people can manage against her better and its not just trying to figure it out, they'll use others.
deft valley
@pliant magnet Philly have a ton of fun from what their discord shows
warm quartz
So its like crippling, but he has a fighting chance
pearl stratus
LAG actually looked better last week playing against a Sombra, overall.
deft valley
the other guys are cool guys but philly do more fun stuff
pearl stratus
Philly seems -really- really cocky though.
limpid estuary
Volskaya game?
pearl stratus
That might get older.
limpid estuary
That always was a good map for her
deft valley
not really
pearl stratus
Volskaya was more skewed to old Sombra.
deft valley
eqo is just about the only one who's bm about it
pearl stratus
Not New Sombra.
deft valley
the rest are pretty humble
pearl stratus
Danteh on Numbani is a good example of him shutting down Fisure too.
limpid estuary
Alright
silk linden
I'm such a prophet
pliant magnet
Well they are philly after all
limpid estuary
Nice
deft valley
implying you need a tracer alternative
deft valley
just run both her and whoever
warm quartz
slaps in everyone's face as the biggest fuck you ever
warm quartz
Thats why i have sombra golden, its a massive fuck off
deft valley
like legitimately on ilios
rapid bobcat
\
deft valley
not for stalling or anything
deft valley
it's on lighthouse, and the second dps is
scarlet spear
ruins is widow playground
deft valley
the usual
warm quartz
Is it sombra
pearl stratus
Tracer?
deft valley
as in tracer
pearl stratus
Yeah not that bad.
pearl stratus
Mei + Reaper is also a decent combo.
warm quartz
Lol
deft valley
jesus christ
pearl stratus
Dallas runs it, since they can afford to do whatever.
deft valley
i get it you're hyped for sombra
pearl stratus
Since dumpster strats.
deft valley
but tracer is still the #1 default pick for any serious teams, anywhere
pearl stratus
It's funny watching teams adjust to her [Sombra] already though.
silk linden
run mccree
warm quartz
I know
pearl stratus
Nah
silk linden
run less zenyatta
warm quartz
I'm glad to see sombra isnt going unnoticed anymore tho
deft valley
yeah I don't think her popularity wave will get to OWL at this point
pearl stratus
HAs been the effective one.
scarlet spear
that Lijang tower game from DF with mei is still my favourite map till today in OWL
pearl stratus
So she trans and just gets one clipped.
scarlet spear
god they destroyed that map
pearl stratus
It's hilarious.
twin dove
wish i could play tracer better 😦
silk linden
I got so tilted when I saw rawkus getting empd 3 times in a row against Philly's Sombra
just, fucking learn
deft valley
that's still taking out tracer out of a fight for 10+ secs though
silk linden
zen so stubborn
deft valley
you can bait that
pearl stratus
You can and can't. Sombras translocate REAL fast in OWL.
deft valley
well yea
pearl stratus
Because they get focused the second they're available.
silk linden
once you get empd twice, just fucking switch
limpid estuary
Okay so it is just
silk linden
not even Jjonak could be effective against a proper Sombra
limpid estuary
EMP and DVa.
deft valley
basically
silk linden
Sombra + Brigitte, the anti fun meta
pearl stratus
Brigitte is going to make it so SBB is the only Tracer left in the league.
silk linden
vanilla OW all the way
pearl stratus
He's the only one I expect to play around her.
Because he has the most unique style.
limpid estuary
So its less a question of Sombra being powerful, and more just... Good and anti-meta.
silk linden
only left mouse click allowed
pearl stratus
She's powerful too, in her own right.
The damage increase is noticeable.
She can clip a support.
With much less time/risk than before.
deft valley
btw, contenders are running Moira with dive too
silk linden
and we're gonna see a bunch of brigitte
limpid estuary
Right, but its still pretty weak compared to other rapid fire dps.
pearl stratus
It's a fair balance between the two.
limpid estuary
I think its interesting to watch either way
pearl stratus
Brigittes biggest issue is still where she fits and who she replaces.
I think we'll see quite a bit of her, but I think we'll see some weird 3:0:3 comps now and again.
silk linden
it won't be an issue as soon as people realize how powerful she is
deft valley
her healing/utility is offheal, but she doesn't have the defense ult
pearl stratus
She honestly works really well in a double tri stack.
silk linden
it's like with lucio, people were like "how do you replace the only hero that provides a speed boost"
but then people went "I have discord orb and rez, who gives a shit about speed"
pearl stratus
Eh thats lowballing it.
I have discord orb and double instant ress.
Would be more accurate.
Since once the double instant went away, he came right back.
deft valley
he's still not mandatory though
deft valley
mercy/widow is a common replacement
pearl stratus
No, but this is probably the most balanced support meta we've ever seen
To be fair.
deft valley
yeah which means you can do without his speed boost
scarlet spear
bring back ana 
deft valley
despite what people said
silk linden
maybe Brigitte is gonna be so fucking useful, people will consider using her over Zen too
scarlet spear
bring back the true support, symmetra
silk linden
she has like, the best support ultimate
pearl stratus
Actually Moira is doing better with Sombra around,because if the balls out getting hacked doesn't matter.
I doubt you'll ever get rid of Zen truly.
Transcendence is just too damn good.
It's like D'va.
deft valley
not unless he's completely gutted
pearl stratus
Defensive matrix.
deft valley
again though, that's also what people said about lucio and speed boost
the way you replace them is offer something better
pearl stratus
I wouldn't rank Speed boost equal to Trans though.
silk linden
I don't think he needs to be gutted. Just, something will come out that's so useful, people will choose it over Discord Orb
and Brigitte is really damn useful
pearl stratus
Trans is one of the few things that shuts down as many ults as it does.
deft valley
jesus christ the producers on contenders
pearl stratus
Brig can shut down her fair share as well, within reason.
silk linden
remember when people said Ana's nade was gonna be the ultimate counter to transcendence
pearl stratus
But if you end up with the 3:0:3.
deft valley
watching a widow for 15 seconds doing nothing
silk linden
brig and zen is very low healing
pearl stratus
3:0:3 Veex 😛
silk linden
ah
pearl stratus
You still have another support to bring
Typically a Moira.
Since you're running triple tank.
deft valley
can we agree that the tank is second space pls
pearl stratus
Brig + Zarya is also a destructive angry force of nature.
deft valley
3-0-3 is 3 dps
silk linden
yeah 3:0:3 would be 3 dps
pearl stratus
No way, for me its always Tank - DPS - Healer.
deft valley
why
silk linden
you're wrong
deft valley
it's not how anything is listed
deft valley
the rosters and the heroes are both listed damage-tank-supp
silk linden
it's the agreed upon order
pearl stratus
Vastly illogical but I concede my being wrong.
silk linden
how
scarlet spear
i'd imagine its TANK - DPS - SUPPORT aswell
silk linden
it's literally how they're listed
scarlet spear
if i just saw it without explanation
pearl stratus
Because my brain translates it in order of how I'd expect to view them, I suppose.
silk linden
you're misinformed then
pearl stratus
Tanks in front of DPS, infront of support.
silk linden
readjust
pearl stratus
I already said i did.
silk linden
Pfre too
deft valley
WELL THEN YOU ARE LOST
pearl stratus
I'm sorry people think DPS are important.
When they're not.
And put them first.
!
silk linden
why are you so hung up on this
it's just an order
doesn't mean they're more important
pearl stratus
WITHOUT ORDER THERE IS CHAOS.
Also its just fun at this point.
Work is boring af.
paper crag
You know what they should do? Tank, dps, support, arranged in a triangle that spins at a constant rate
Now nobody is first or last
And starting locations are randomized so nobody is “first” based on whatever starting location
hazy arrow
That reminds me Red Dwarf a bit
wary iris
Sayaplayer + Logix = 8 - 2 
pliant magnet
A good dps player is necessary for the team, a random 100 hour torb that plays genji for the first time in comp isnt necessary to the team
severe folio
https://postimg.org/gallery/3jb6etf4g/ collection of DreamKazper grooming the girl
silk linden
no thx
severe folio
These are her images
silk linden
we've moved on
severe folio
If anyone wants to see em they can
limber pine
i think we're good
silk linden
it's hardly #esports-discussion anymore
torpid charm
don't nobody wanna see that shit no more
pliant magnet
Her twitter acc is at the end, no info in her twitter acc tho
pearl stratus
Tis is for e-sports discussion.
And he's no longer in OWL.
Thus it is not e-sports.
silk linden
unless you're discussing, like, "how are they gonna replace him"
limber pine
SnoW
pearl stratus
I still say Mistakes over Snow.
silk linden
secret weapon Snow
pearl stratus
Mistakes has a workable Sombra, acceptable Widow and decent Genji.
silk linden
snow is a support endo
pearl stratus
With the right coaching Mistakes may not be a Mistake.
limber pine
yeah I'm not being totally serious
silk linden
t'was a joke
pearl stratus
Yeah but Snow could be used to flex Neko to dps.
limber pine
It'll be Mistakes i'm sure
silk linden
Rae wants it
torpid charm
path to pro starts now so I can take DK's place on Uprising
torpid charm
I do wanna see Snow low-key, lol. gotta get my fair skinned friends in there
I WILL TRY LMAO
pearl stratus
Go to Philly.
torpid charm
buy my Jersey when I make it pls
pearl stratus
Do the Hometown Hero thing.
torpid charm
I'm too shit for Philly
silk linden
Grind Tracer and if you hit GM you're ready for 
pearl stratus
Kraft can just pull a patriots on Boston.
"Saebyolbe. Heres 750k a year. Say goodbye to NYXL."
torpid charm
I'll be Tracer main for Houston
silk linden
they don't need a tracer tho
scarlet spear
yeah
silk linden
if anything they can tempt Libero, with Flow3r looming on his spot
pearl stratus
Honestly.
Post wrist injury I don't think Flow3r has looked good enough to take Liberos spot right now.
Share it yes.
But not take it.
scarlet spear
libero has been looking strong, and we've seen fuck all from flow3r since the wc
torpid charm
giving Mistakes all my energy
lilac atlas
Didnt flow3r have a rough debut on XL2?
scarlet spear
gonna take a while anyways
hazy arrow
Do we know how much the players get paid?
pearl stratus
He had a pretty rough debut yeah.
scarlet spear
oh yeah hes playing contenders i forgot
silk linden
then just sign Libero, what can I tell you
pearl stratus
His first match he went in Contenders.
He died instantly.
Like 25 seconds into the match
Ded.
torpid charm
isn't the minimum 50k
lilac atlas
How much are contenders players paid?
silk linden
flower is basically a free agent
scarlet spear
they get money for games played/maps won afaik
pearl stratus
Not much, if anything. It's up to the orgs I think.
scarlet spear
something like 100$ for a map loss, 300$ for a win i think ?
lilac atlas
Wow, thats pennies compared to owl
hazy arrow
I can imagine no one gets over 150k (and even that is probably waaaaay more than what the best paid player gets paid)
pearl stratus
@silk linden Flow3r will still end up on NYXL. I could see them selling/trading Pine though
hazy arrow
so 750k would be an instant transfer
scarlet spear
In addition to the Playoff prize money, teams will receive $587 USD for each Map win, $330 USD for each Map loss and $458.50 USD for each Map draw during the Regular Season. Tiebreaker maps do not award any prize money.
pearl stratus
But mental state stuff.
hazy arrow
Cant imagine anyone refuse
limber pine
and Pine is like the opposite of a flex DPS
lilac atlas
Im just saying that with a salary like that, a lot of them probably resort to boosting
pearl stratus
Most teams have just been smart and not let their pay structure out.
Some do, but right now boosting is the dumbest thing you can do unless you're a shit player.
lilac atlas
SD
pearl stratus
Because it removes you from the Korean scene, and post launch of OWL makes you pretty much ineligible for OWL play.
No more clean slate.
pearl stratus
Eh.
I would be completely shocked if boosting was not considered a breach of contract.
At which point the org can sue for the contract back.
hazy arrow
Surely it is
lilac atlas
I wonder how many players actually boost
pearl stratus
Snows biggest issue is that he's fighting for his spot with Kellex.
And Kellex is better than him.
pearl stratus
Shanghai has the most cash in the league.
lilac atlas
Really?
lilac atlas
But they dont even have a full roster
pearl stratus
They're at 11/12.
pliant magnet
Oh lol
deft valley
Owner having a ton of money doesn't mean he's willing to shell out
paper crag
Any esport where china is involved, it’s a safe bet to say the chinese orgs will be the richest
Although party magician is right too
pearl stratus
Also its only season 1.
You don't invest a ton in the short term.
You wait to see where its going long term.
It's one of the things I bring up everytime people mention Sado and OGE and why teams would pick up a known booster.
They're really economical pick ups.
They're basically blue light special K-mart sales of players.
lilac atlas
Personally, the league is too far now to kick out people that have boosted in the past. But i think players that continue to boost will be kicked
pearl stratus
The League was pretty upfront with its clean slate upon entry thing.
And right now no one in the league is poor enough to be bothered with boosting.
It's only economical in large amounts and with a lot of time invested, which they don't have.
OGE basically boosted only one account, and he only made like $200.
tawny sigil
i don't know man they're in LA...
50k a year, you're trash in LA
dont even mention that
people will point and laugh
scarlet spear
50k is the minimum, and they dont have to pay for shit there
they get free housing, food, they barely have to spend anything
they can live decently off that
tawny sigil
yeah not having to pay is a good plus that's right
atomic zealot
Is it true what happen to dreamkazper
tawny sigil
if it was 50k+ get your own housing, all of them would be making video about how hard life in LA is
limber pine
@atomic zealot is what true?
atomic zealot
That he was talking to a 15 year girl
limber pine
hexed jay
$50k is fine they don't even have time yet to spend it
tawny sigil
50k a year, only if you smile and say "this is fun" don't say anything else, cause its 50k minus every word that they hold against you times 1000
ruby pendant
50k is small in California
tawny sigil
scrap that Eqo didn't actually say anything
deft valley
50k is also not what most people are paid
it's the minimum but most of them are paid more
smile
well SDB is fucked then
oh wait you can just not be a dickbag and you're fine
tawny sigil
do you think they're gonna mention it on emote control?
hexed jay
median individual income is $27,987 in los angeles
silk linden
screw Emote control, I wanna watch the next Oversight
fresh turret
How many hours till recap
tawny sigil
i just said it
fresh turret
Idk what's pdt man
fresh turret
Ugh
fresh turret
WP is like one of my fav things about OWL so they always feel like a big event for me
tawny sigil
i just care about emote control
highlight the meme i missed
right now im just very curious if they're gonna aknowledge the swearing
it was so natural, came out so smoothly t'was hilarious
there you go
silk linden
that's from before
tawny sigil
that was posted yesterday though
silk linden
yeah, it's from before
tawny sigil
or rather, today, my sleep schedule is fucked
silk linden
barely missed the drama
it's recorded one day before it's posted on YT
livestreamed
tawny sigil
i guess it is pre recorded so its not a live stream
silk linden
anyway, there can't be any DK stuff in there because of the timing
tawny sigil
at least with oversight they dont shy around subject i don't think
drowsy fulcrum
wary iris
Diya is back baby
pseudo viper
who is diya
ruby pendant
Wow, they terminated Dream's contract
wary iris
DPS @pseudo viper for Shanghai
wary iris
Yikes
vestal tangle
torpid charm
I know they play Saturday against my bois 
deft valley
Thursday against Mayhem
for future reference: https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/schedule
deft valley
no shitposting please
balmy wolf
short sapphire
balmy wolf
Btw how good is mistakes? I need to know because fantasy points
pseudo viper
https://imgur.com/a/afHgv here's what we have now.
after the contract is destroyed... she locks her account
ruby pendant
Law enforcement could be involved
pseudo viper
nope
twin dragon
i believe that happened before his contract was terminated
ruby pendant
It's also reasonable to lock it
twin dragon
i mean, think about the type of attention she'd be receiving
pseudo viper
she retweeted that post, then said "good." and locked her account.
twin dragon
she probably wants to lay low after something like that; i know i would
now 8that* is shady
that
south quest
yeah she's probably got a lot of hate mail by now
pseudo viper
then why didnt she lay low while it was happening
twin dragon
beats me
jagged crater
holy SHIT
twin dragon
either way DK is gone from OWL permanently, gaurantee you no one picks him up after this
jagged crater
within 24 hours, dreamkazper went from potential best dps in the west to career/life ending situation
twin dragon
idk about life ending tbh but his career just got smoked
ruby pendant
The evidence is overwhelming
pseudo viper
probably life ending
jagged crater
basically branded a sex offender for life
pseudo viper
exactly
twin dragon
if not life ending he's basically going to prison for child porn possession
jagged crater
life ending as in his life is never gonna be the same, not necessarily death
it's gonna be just terrible
twin dragon
he made a series of dumb decisions over the months of feb. and march that turned out to destroy everything he'd built tbh
can't just be throwing away an opportunity to play OW as a career 🤔
pseudo viper
this makes me angry
that first of all an owl player is being this fucking dumb
and that i still dont know if it happened or not
i was on lily's account right before she locked it
twin dragon
i'm just glad that we saw logical action from OWL on this one
pseudo viper
she retweeted a tweet from her friend
jagged crater
i mean it had to be swift
pseudo viper
showing that "group chat" kazper was it
jagged crater
a lot of kids watch OWL, think of the image this reflects
twin dragon
yeah true
pseudo viper
and
twin dragon
don't want someone like that around
pseudo viper
it had him saying some dumb stuff to then
them
but idk if its real
because there was no verified check next to his name
twin dragon
i never saw the group chat content at all
hidden osprey
why does OW attract these types of players? are there any other competitive games where you see consistent behaviour like this?
twin dragon
we know about the DMs at the least and those were disturbing
pseudo viper
yet on twitter he's still verified and in all of their other pics he had the verified check
jagged crater
im pretty sure there are other games, it's not just OW
OW just higher profile in this case because it's actually huge
with all the esports investment
twin dragon
at the end of the day they're a company
pseudo viper
so idk if that group chat is fake or not
twin dragon
they have to deal with this as a company
for this case that means he's gotta go given the amount of evidence and seriousness of the charges he could face
pseudo viper
as well as the messages
jagged crater
in CSGO there was a pedo semipro player
pretty notable player among the competitive community
also toxic piece of shit tho
ruby pendant
Very disappointing.
jagged crater
dreamkazper seemed like a nice guy
twin dragon
he was
deft valley
they often do
jagged crater
i mean, even best buds with ark
pseudo viper
he was
twin dragon
i can't even imagine what his teammates are thinking
imagine knowing that you've been living with a predator this entire time
jagged crater
gonna be tough recovering fro this
hidden osprey
yeah.. Boston were looking spectacular the past few matches
pseudo viper
lmao because dk carried
jagged crater
not just mentally but skill wise, dreamkazper was actually insanely good at dps
ruby pendant
Really want to hear what the Overwatch League will say
jagged crater
it's a damn shame waste of talent
hidden osprey
it's hard to say DK carried when in pro play you need the entire team to work to make the dream work
hexed jay
lol reece bloom
twin dragon
this is a lot of pressure on mistakes to step it up
jagged crater
mistakes is not nearly as flexible as DK