esports-discussion

[cerulean ridge]

No need to make blanket statements about men

[tawny sigil]

She won't do it, DK won't do it

[fresh arrow]

her "statement" is the only form of cooperation the state will work with

[strong crescent]

Yeah his OWL career is ruined

[onyx shore]

younger women,ew

[pseudo viper]

all it takes right now to prove to everyone that dk is a pedo is for the police to look at the nude pics

[clever trout]

lmao poor men

[onyx shore]

[tawny sigil]

who's gonna do it, only one that probably probably will is OWL at this point

[strong crescent]

But he could still find a fairly normal job or go back to collage or w/e

[fresh arrow]

state prosecutors can still work with the google doc statement thing

[pseudo viper]

or see the snapchat shit they did

because authorities can do that

[hexed jay]

That’s not enough lol

[clever trout]

you think a girl is a whore and judge her for posting porn but god forbid i call half of the men skeevy

[fresh arrow]

he can't get a job anywhere now that this whole thing will appear when you google his name

[hexed jay]

She even said she has the real evidence “elsewhere”

[gusty cipher]

he will 100% not find any noteworthy job, they check your social accounts

[pseudo viper]

im not fucking judging her, stop

[hexed jay]

So stop with the legal terms

[onyx shore]

what the fuck are you even on senua

[strong crescent]

If this whole thing is proven false

[cerulean ridge]

Whut?

[strong crescent]

Then he might just have a chance

[cerulean ridge]

The people calling you out for calling men skeezy aren't the people calling her a whore though

[strong crescent]

Otherwise he'll be in jail so

[hexed jay]

He’s not going to jail lol

[cerulean ridge]

Anyone calling a 14 y/o a whore's a fucking nonce

[halcyon chasm]

HE'S GOING TO PRISON, NOT JAIL!

[pseudo viper]

he can if proven a pedo

[halcyon chasm]

OMEGALUL

[clever trout]

i couldn't care less 😄

[fresh arrow]

community corrections order at the very least

[clever trout]

this sub is just blending into one

[fresh arrow]

idk what they're called in the states

[clever trout]

i've seen way too much bullshit here in the past 2 hours

[pseudo viper]

same

[halcyon chasm]

idk what they call them in the states either @clever trout

[cerulean ridge]

How is it blending into one when we're literally in the middle of a disagreement?

[onyx shore]

you should just rest

[hexed jay]

Between her saying she doesn’t want to take it to court

[onyx shore]

you're not talking with the right mind right now

[hexed jay]

All of the outsluts rapidly covering their tracks

[clever trout]

yeah you're right i'm not. i'm angry.

[halcyon chasm]

I mean @fresh arrow 😛

[fresh arrow]

mad ping

[hexed jay]

It’s all about ruining the player

That’s all

[clever trout]

i'm angry that some people decide to play devil's advocate in cases like this.

[slim summit]

Community corrections order sounds like the equivalent of the US probation sentence

[halcyon chasm]

@everyone hello

[tawny sigil]

well people in here are arguing Ethics VS Law

Law is BS when it comes to Ethic

[hexed jay]

He pervy pedo’d

[fresh arrow]

maybe DK should have learned to not (a) cheat on his gf and (b) think with his dick

[clever trout]

is it ethical to hit on a 14 year old?

[pseudo viper]

im not playing devils advocate, please

[fresh arrow]

y'all also forget that DK also has a gf as well that's not this 14 year old

[forest raven]

Depends on context

[clever trout]

while being in a relationship too

[forest raven]

Are you also 14?

[halcyon chasm]

what do you mean Law is BS when it comes to ethic @tawny sigil ?

[pseudo viper]

im just looking at both sides of the argument

[tawny sigil]

Is it ethical to use Twitter as a court of Law .... NO

[pseudo viper]

most people aren't, so im giving points

and you guys are immediately shutting it down without looking it over

[clever trout]

the thing is the blame isn't equal for what she's doing and what he's doing

[fresh arrow]

at the very least, DK is cheating on his current actual girlfriend

nudes or not

[slim summit]

it doesn't matter if they're equal, or who deserves more blame

[cerulean ridge]

Devil's advocate wouldn't be attacking her character though, that's just being nasty

[hexed jay]

Well according to 46 percent of voters, those are all totally ok

[slim summit]

don't show your dick to a 14 year old girl

[tawny sigil]

In some country what she did is regarded on same level as what he did you realize that right?

[hexed jay]

Or at least doesn’t disqualify you for president

[slim summit]

she could be a nazi serial killer

still, don't show her your dick

it's really simple

[clever trout]

@slim summit ia but apparently that's not so easy to understand to some

[cerulean ridge]

You can't attack her under the claim of playing Devil's advocate

[fresh arrow]

you forget that US voting isn't compulsory

[pseudo viper]

i dont know what she is, maybe it happened

the stuff i found though leads to her likely being a hoeston outslut

[clever trout]

this isn't some country

[onyx shore]

@pseudo viper so?

[clever trout]

you gonna say she was considered legal in vatican too?

[halcyon chasm]

so many americans think that everyone lives in the US

OMEGALUL

[onyx shore]

why does it matter on this case?

[tawny sigil]

for what she did in tons of country she could be facing some severe prison time for this if proven false.

[cerulean ridge]

In this case really the only thing you could say as devil's advocate is "wait for the bodies in charge of investigating this matter properly reach a verdict before assuming guilt"

[hexed jay]

Sorry, 50 million Americans think that being a pedo is okay

Does that make it better?

[pseudo viper]

every hoestun outslut is very against dk, or boston in general, probably because they just 4-0'd houston

[clever trout]

please tell me where she would be facing severe prison time

[pseudo viper]

like i said

idk if she is or not

[tawny sigil]

Canada

[pseudo viper]

it leans that way though

[onyx shore]

dude

[supple crow]

oh my god

[clever trout]

quote on the law please, i'm genuinely curious

[onyx shore]

if what dreamkazper did to her is true,doesnt matter if she's outslut or not

[supple crow]

one thing i noticed was DK upped the ante after learning she broke up with her bf

[hexed jay]

She didn’t commit a crime

[pseudo viper]

but we dont know if its true and i never said that it wasnt true

[hexed jay]

Entrapment only applies to govt employees

[halcyon chasm]

Did dreamkazper commit a crime? Texting isn't illegal, right?

[slim summit]

it can be

[cerulean ridge]

Ok wait, Aldrixx now I'm not sure what you're getting at

[hexed jay]

Setting is illegal

[onyx shore]

sexting with minor can be

[pseudo viper]

i just find it weird that she first has a twitter account for porn, and is a wild supporter of the outlaws

[hexed jay]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/anthony-weiner-prison_us_5a00ad6be4b0c965300174ff

[slim summit]

lol

[pseudo viper]

lol

[hexed jay]

The outsluts might have already deleted themselves

[onyx shore]

so a girl have an account for porn,big fucking deal

[hexed jay]

Seems like they are covering their tracks fast

[cerulean ridge]

What's weird about it? People like porn, that's no big deal

[onyx shore]

and supported the outlaws,big deal

[pseudo viper]

did you read what else i said

i never said shes a goddamn outslut

i just said it leans that way

[clever trout]

i still don't see her having a porn account as being relevant. the outlaws sluts or whatever i can see as having people doubt in some way but the porn thing is irrelevant

[supple crow]

it doesn't matter because DK approached her first and not the other way around

[pseudo viper]

because that seems to be the case with other outsluts i found on twitter

[slim summit]

it doesn't matter because a 22 year old man showed his dick to a 14 year old

end of

[pseudo viper]

21 8)

[onyx shore]

the porn thing is irelevant,you're using irelevant things to support your argument

[cerulean ridge]

The outlaws stuff may affect their predisposition towards Boston/DK, but it doesn't affect the evidence

[pseudo viper]

im not even giving an argument right now wtf

[halcyon chasm]

Do we know Dreamkazper showed his tralalala to her? Fact or not?

[tawny sigil]

if its fake then yes she did commit a crime, unfortunatly american law don't punish for the same level as what you lied about if you get proven false.

[pseudo viper]

i said it leans that way

[clever trout]

@mörkenbörken#8549 truth

[pseudo viper]

thats it

[torpid charm]

tralalala

[cerulean ridge]

And in this case, the victim isn't really what matters to the general public, since she's no public figure. It's all about the public figure, and the evidence against them.

[tawny sigil]

if this is fake kazper could sue her parents into oblivion

probably for liable

[clever trout]

yeah he could

[pseudo viper]

true

[clever trout]

is he gonna though ^^

[supple crow]

nah someone from overwatchtmz pmed DK on feb 12 with this

https://i.imgur.com/QbM4e5G.jpg

[pseudo viper]

probably if it is fake

that message is fake guys

[slim summit]

lol

prove it

[clever trout]

it's fake?

[pseudo viper]

you can see the edited pixels next to it

ok

one sec

i can prove

[cerulean ridge]

It's a jpeg

[tawny sigil]

ENHANCE THAT IMAGE!

[halcyon chasm]

lol Aldrixx

[pseudo viper]

next to the text

[cerulean ridge]

Jpeg has horrible compression artefacts that resemble photoshop transforms

[clever trout]

zoom and enhance, blade runner style

[halcyon chasm]

thats just image quality

[pseudo viper]

then why is it next to the text and no where else

[hexed jay]

lol sit on that evidence for 4 months

[cerulean ridge]

That's how jpeg compression works

[slim summit]

give us a link aldrixx

[cerulean ridge]

If you're compressing something, you look for patterns

A whole area with one colour is a simple pattern, so you won't get artefacts when compressing it

[clever trout]

"i can prove it" - "jk idk how it works"

[tawny sigil]

Anyway i'm off to sleep, Hopefully the truth is found legally

[balmy wolf]

This thing?

https://imgur.com/a/jyqOu

[blazing parrot]

...

[cerulean ridge]

But text with curves and shit is more complex so the algorithm fucks things up when trying to compress it efficiently

[slim summit]

lol

[blazing parrot]

thats just natural artifacting cause of jpeg

[onyx shore]

OW YEAAAAAAAAA

[pseudo viper]

https://imgur.com/a/R08C3 here is the original

[cerulean ridge]

Besides, it makes 0 sense to photoshop text in things like this

You can inspect element

[onyx shore]

CSI BURBANK

[cerulean ridge]

And edit the html

[halcyon chasm]

ye

[tawny sigil]

there is website to make fake text

[cerulean ridge]

Which is much more efficient and wouldn't cause artefacts

[halcyon chasm]

inspect element

[pseudo viper]

https://imgur.com/a/6uwAq here is the distortion

[cerulean ridge]

Aldrixx, that's a jpeg

The source is a jpeg

It's already corrupted by compression

[slim summit]

lol

he's literally just looking at jpeg artifacts

[pseudo viper]

then why dont people argue when people provide images against that

[cerulean ridge]

?

[slim summit]

?????

[onyx shore]

???????

[slim summit]

what in the fuck are you talking about

[cerulean ridge]

How could you provide images against that

We don't have the lossless source image

[hexed jay]

It’s just jpeg bruh

[clever trout]

lmao this just turned entertaining

[supple crow]

? that's literally not a proof that it's fake

[cerulean ridge]

The source image itself in this case, as far as the internet is concerned, is a jpeg

[fresh arrow]

IN OTHER NEWS: MORE COUNTRIES ADDED TO THE OWL TOKEN LIST

[cerulean ridge]

So there's simply no grounds to conclude whether or not it is shopped

[balmy wolf]

Ooh

[slim summit]

token list?

[halcyon chasm]

when ppl try to find out what's true or not they have different critera like critera of embarassment etc

[fresh arrow]

At this time, after map single token awards are available only in Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, Canada, Chile, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Thailand, United Kingdom and United States; one hundred (100) token viewership awards are available only in Argentina, Canada, Chile, Denmark, France, Germany, New Zealand, Norway, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, United Kingdom and United States.

[balmy wolf]

League token s

[slim summit]

oh right

[cerulean ridge]

PogChamp

[slim summit]

man, fuck more countries, my tokens have been broken all week

[cerulean ridge]

Tokens for me

[fresh arrow]

i have to fuckin bold this to be seen in the circlejerk

[clever trout]

hey they added my country!

[slim summit]

i can only get 1, then i have to refresh twitch

[pseudo viper]

https://twitter.com/Carter_OW/status/983136511863406592 no one called this person out when they were exposed for editing a picture

Carter (@Carter_OW)

This is clearly the talk of a teen that is being taken advantage of and cannot fend for herself in this DANGEROUS internet world.

These are dms of her with a closeeee friend of mine.

Retweets

104

Likes

454

Twitter

[fresh arrow]

but POGCHAMP AUSTRALIA IS ON THE LIST NOW

EVEN IF IT'S JUST ONE TOKEN PER MAP

[balmy wolf]

It wasn't?

[cerulean ridge]

Carter released a video scrolling through the dms

[balmy wolf]

I thought it was

[hexed jay]

Token drops are a joke

[onyx shore]

still no my country

feellsbuttmein

[supple crow]

TBH carter's vid just proves DK was grooming her

[cerulean ridge]

So Carter's pics likely are legit too

[pseudo viper]

yeah but no one believed that

someone showed the distortion in it but no one questioned it

[cerulean ridge]

Yeah, initially

[torpid charm]

I keep forgetting to log in every time I watch OWL so I've missed out on a lot of tokens

[clever trout]

that tweet.... it doesn't matter she "consented". she can't consent.

[cerulean ridge]

But after the video was released, no one really doubted it

[slim summit]

?? I question it

it's not distortion

they're just compression artifacts

[supple crow]

Why question it ? It proves that DK was grooming her

[cerulean ridge]

You question what?

[supple crow]

Carter's vid

[cerulean ridge]

Carter's not claiming the DMs are fake

[slim summit]

i question "the distortion"

[cerulean ridge]

Oh yeah, that's likely just compression artefacts

[hexed jay]

“The judge also addressed one issue that Mr. Weiner’s lawyers had raised in their papers: questions about the teenager’s motives and credibility. They noted she had received $30,000 for the DailyMail.com story and was “shopping” a book proposal. The judge said the girl’s motives and the fact she had initiated the contact with Mr. Weiner were irrelevant: “She was a minor. She was a victim. She is entitled to the law’s full protection.”

Jailbaited

[supple crow]

It's even worse for DK

he initiated the contact not her

[hexed jay]

We don’t know that

[cerulean ridge]

He's the one saying all the sexual shit in the screenshots

[supple crow]

but according to her story, he initiated it

[clever trout]

she only sent a fanmail (dm), he shouldn't respond.

[hexed jay]

I think her story is that she initiated

[cerulean ridge]

And when she's scrolling through stuff, you don't rly see her saying anything sexual to him either, not that it'd make a difference

[halcyon chasm]

you many of you are assuming truths where there may be no truth

we dont know

dont assume things too soon

[hexed jay]

He followed her on Twitter I guess

[slim summit]

@halcyon chasm when do we have your permission to "assume"?

[hexed jay]

Is following on Twitter initiating contact?

[supple crow]

DK is really obsessed being called "daddy"

[cerulean ridge]

Ok, so the story according to her was:
Dream followed her acc/one of her fan accs on twitter, she dm'd him to thank him, and then he kept on initiating convos with her

[clever trout]

her story is that she sent a regular fan dm but he replied to her and that's how it started

[halcyon chasm]

Don't even assume. @slim summit

[clever trout]

take it how you want

[halcyon chasm]

go by fact and what we know

dont go further than that

[slim summit]

fact: credible allegations from multiple independent sources have emerged

fact: no denial from DK has come out in 18 hours

[cerulean ridge]

It's fine to just dm back "thanks for the support", maybe strike up a convo if you're feeling chatty, or even make a proper friend, even if they're underage

[hexed jay]

^^

[cerulean ridge]

It's not fine to sext, groom and send nudes to an underage person

[clever trout]

definitely

[forest raven]

Dreamkazper

More like

Deankazper

[cerulean ridge]

Ayy

[halcyon chasm]

lmao

[pseudo viper]

we have no proof that he sent nudes

or that lily did either

[supple crow]

and DK's now ex-GF is literally outraged. If it had any resemblance of being fake, she'd come to his defense

[clever trout]

whoops

[cerulean ridge]

Yeah, that's kind of what did it for me.

[hexed jay]

Part of me wants it to go to court just to get the outsluts discord subpoena’d

[balmy wolf]

DK for jail or not is the only question here. He is banned anyway from OWL

[pseudo viper]

lol

[hexed jay]

He’s not going to jail

[slim summit]

we'll literally never have proof if she sent nudes lol

never

[pseudo viper]

he will if it happened

[slim summit]

even if he's convicted, we won't have that proof

[cerulean ridge]

Like, I feel bad that I'm already considering him guilty, since there's been no official trial or investigation, but his ex-GF p much confirmed it.

[pseudo viper]

why, she can show the pictures to authorities

[supple crow]

if it's on instagram he's done for

[hexed jay]

And if she changes her mind about wanting to take it Court

[cerulean ridge]

She supposedly only sent him nudes via snap

[supple crow]

if it's only at snapchat, then their servers are encrypted right ?

[balmy wolf]

Nah either way it will be bad publicity for owl

[pseudo viper]

and for the snapchats, authorities can check that as well as facetimes

[slim summit]

if she sent him nudes, they're child pornography

[cerulean ridge]

So there may be nothing stored rn

[hexed jay]

So I guess what you’re saying is that there is a chance

But no, for now

[slim summit]

lol

[balmy wolf]

He's not going to be back for a while just like undad

[pseudo viper]

so yes, we will know eventually if it happens or not

happened*

[hexed jay]

Undad is already back in contenders

[slim summit]

why am i still bothering with this assclown

[cerulean ridge]

If the nudes stuff is true, and the police can retrieve it, he's going to jail 100%

[supple crow]

Blizzard only needs verification if the DMs are real

and he's out of OWL for good

[balmy wolf]

Idk

[clever trout]

i guess she/her parents can still not put him in jail tho

[hexed jay]

And while what he did was objectively worse , it wasn’t against the law

[pseudo viper]

please refrain from calling me an assclown, i didnt insult you

[supple crow]

ehh He was grooming her

[hexed jay]

Undad changed his username

[cerulean ridge]

It depends

[supple crow]

that's a gainst the law, too

[severe folio]

I think the real issue would be if he asked for pics and she sent them

[cerulean ridge]

If it's on snap only, and he didn't screenshot

[hexed jay]

The real issue is she doesn’t want to take it to court

[supple crow]

They can still get him for grooming the kid

[cerulean ridge]

The police might be able to get the nudes from snap themselves

[severe folio]

If they were just friends and she's making this all up then I see no issue

[pseudo viper]

yeah true

[clever trout]

again it's a she said/he said but she did say he kinda pressured her to sending those nudes

[balmy wolf]

Snapchat has a photo databank

[hexed jay]

Snap doesn’t store images lol

[balmy wolf]

The company does

[cerulean ridge]

If it gets that far, it's cause a criminal investigation started, so then there's no stopping that

[halcyon chasm]

there are logs from the services they used

[pseudo viper]

where in the text though? i never saw him ask for nudes literally

[severe folio]

They totally store those images behind the scenes

[cerulean ridge]

Snap themselves store the images

[supple crow]

it's on snapchat

they moved from twitter DMs

[clever trout]

there were cases already were they retrieved the snap pictures, they can do it

[sweet jewel]

There is no way they don't

[pseudo viper]

yeah

[balmy wolf]

^

[sweet jewel]

Why wouldn't they? data and info is digital gold

[hexed jay]

They don’t lol

[balmy wolf]

Knowledge is power

[sweet jewel]

What is your proof on that?

If you had an app which had millions of people sending private info that can easily be used to build a profile of them

[balmy wolf]

They can. the only way DK will survive this is if every chatlog and pic is fake Lol

And they were about to pull a zuckerberg too until the analytica shit happened

[sweet jewel]

Wouldn't you want to monetize that?

[cerulean ridge]

If her parents find out or if she filed a criminal report, which she probably should if this is true

[hexed jay]

Find me a court case where SNAP pictures from the company was used as evidence

[pseudo viper]

if this was true, it would have happened already, so im suprised she hasnt tweeted about it

[balmy wolf]

@hexed jay google

[hexed jay]

In all cases they were retrieved from the people’s phones

😂

[clever trout]

well he can be fine if he had innocent convo with her and she faked the other stuff but that's unlikely

[supple crow]

He may not go to jail, but he is 100% done in E-Sports

[hexed jay]

I thought CS go allowed whatever

[pseudo viper]

@clever trout people do that though... sadly.

[clever trout]

i mean ok, i'm just saying if it's the case

[pseudo viper]

yeah

[sweet jewel]

@hexed jay http://www.businessinsider.com/snapchat-doesnt-delete-your-private-pictures-2013-5

Paywall but you can get around it

[cerulean ridge]

With third parties. We may share your information with the following third parties:

With service providers, sellers, and partners. We may share information about you with service providers who perform services on our behalf, sellers that provide goods through our services, and business partners that provide services and functionality. For more information about data collected by third parties on our services, see below.
With third parties for legal reasons. We may share information about you if we reasonably believe that disclosing the information is needed to:
    comply with any valid legal process, governmental request, or applicable law, rule, or regulation.

[pseudo viper]

it does seem like from the screenshots like grooming... but dk talks like that to pretty much everyone so idk if thats just normal from him

[hexed jay]

Did you even read the article?

[cerulean ridge]

From snapchat ToS

[sweet jewel]

Yeah...I just read it, that is why I posted it here for you.

[hexed jay]

The tos is about metadata

[clever trout]

if he talks like that to everyone then he should really reconsider his manner of speech around minors lol

[hexed jay]

@sweet jewel the article is talking about storing images on your phone

[clever trout]

don't talk about handjobs

[hexed jay]

Not the company’s servers

[cerulean ridge]

Information We Collect

There are three basic categories of information we collect:

Information you choose to give us.
Information we get when you use our services.
Information we get from third parties.

[pseudo viper]

ah, true

[cerulean ridge]

Of course, you’ll also provide us whatever information you send through the services, such as Snaps and Chats to your friends. Keep in mind that the users you send Snaps, Chats, and any other content to can always save that content or copy it outside the app. So, the same common sense that applies to the internet at large applies to Snapchat as well: Don’t send messages or share content that you wouldn’t want someone to save or share.

[supple crow]

don't talk about how hard your nipples are

[sudden prawn]

LOLOL dreamkazper

[cerulean ridge]

Snaps you send via snapchat count as information they can store according to their ToS

[sudden prawn]

those messages, so cringey

"hey shes underage" nah its cool still tryna smash

[balmy wolf]

Check their privacy policy my dude

[clever trout]

maybe don't call yourself her daddy

[balmy wolf]

^

[cerulean ridge]

And we may need to suspend those deletion practices if we receive valid legal process asking us to preserve content or if we receive reports of abuse or other Terms of Service violations.

[clever trout]

repeating this makes me cringe already

[balmy wolf]

That's a really good start

[cerulean ridge]

Keep in mind that, while our systems are designed to carry out our deletion practices automatically, we cannot promise that deletion will occur within a specific timeframe.

Snap technically could be storing all of this stuff

[hexed jay]

https://www.snap.com/en-US/privacy/privacy-policy

[twilit forum]

it is stored xd

[sudden prawn]

@clever trout maybe dont talk sexually to a 15 yr old when youre a top tier player for one of the most watched esports games right now

[severe folio]

So basically they're going to go and search through everything for the images and if they find them dreamkazper is going to jail. If it turns out he's innocent the girl gets flamed, her parents get mad at her, dream returns to the stage and everyone forgets it all

[cerulean ridge]

Yeah, I'm copypasting all of this stuff from that page

[supple crow]

i hope you dont talk like this to your minor friends

https://i.imgur.com/7hXhK9Q.png

[twilit forum]

[pseudo viper]

Not just minor frienda

[balmy wolf]

Who the fuck will talk like that to minors

[cerulean ridge]

Other minors only, hopefully

[sudden prawn]

nerdy esports gamers who have very little interation with the opposite sex

[cerulean ridge]

He had a gf though

[sudden prawn]

had

[severe folio]

That isn't even that bad

[twilit forum]

yeah "had"

xd

[sudden prawn]

and having a gf doesnt mean he has experience with women'

[balmy wolf]

kek

Nah he had he told the girl

[cerulean ridge]

Dude, I've seen messages from my 'cool' friends

Even they can be pretty cringe

[hexed jay]

Snapchat lets you capture what it’s like to live in the moment. On our end, that means that we automatically delete the content of your Snaps (the photo and video messages that you send your friends) from our servers after we detect that a Snap has been opened by all recipients or has expired.

[balmy wolf]

Idk man the dude is 20 he should have had some

[sudden prawn]

especially when someone goes "she's 15 dude"

like easy bro

[cerulean ridge]

Keep in mind that, while our systems are designed to carry out our deletion practices automatically, we cannot promise that deletion will occur within a specific timeframe. And we may need to suspend those deletion practices if we receive valid legal process asking us to preserve content or if we receive reports of abuse or other Terms of Service violations. Finally, we may also retain certain information in backup for a limited period of time or as required by law.

[clever trout]

it makes me cringe but i don't care what he texts or how embarrassing he is but putting 2+2 together (she's a minor + sex no no) shouldn't be hard

[cerulean ridge]

And then there's this

If you're talking to a minor about sex it better only be sex ed or therapy or some shit

[severe folio]

He can apologize for speaking inappropriately to a minor, he can't for coercing her into sending nudes if that's what happened

[cerulean ridge]

Not fucking grooming

[hexed jay]

It’s a possibility but not great

[sudden prawn]

@mörkenbörken#8549 grooming?

[idle beacon]

re

[hexed jay]

Haven’t seen company fork over any evidence in real court cases

[cerulean ridge]

Child grooming is befriending and establishing an emotional connection with a child, and sometimes the family, to lower the child's inhibitions with the objective of sexual abuse.[1][2] Child grooming is also regularly used to lure minors into various illicit businesses such as child trafficking, child prostitution, or the production of child pornography.[3][4][5]

[idle beacon]

so any news about pedokazper?

[sudden prawn]

@idle beacon indef suspension from boston

[supple crow]

https://i.imgur.com/8DfbJLr.png

[pseudo viper]

Read winston

[supple crow]

the grooming is almost complete!!

[severe folio]

No new happening since yesterday

[pseudo viper]

Read up

[cerulean ridge]

https://www.cultofmac.com/249525/what-happens-when-law-enforcement-wants-to-access-your-snapchats/

[severe folio]

Those texts look fake as hell though

[clever trout]

lmao i can't believe his answer to her having doubts was "ya let's just go to snapchat"

[cerulean ridge]

The bad news, as Schaffer explains, is that Snapchat is just as obliged to release your data to law-enforcement types under the right circumstances as any other company. However, because of the way Snapchat works — an image is only stored until it is viewed, then deleted forever — this only applies to Unopened Snaps.

So what is a circumstance when we might manually retrieve a Snap, assuming it is still unopened? For example, there are times when we, like other electronic communication service providers, are permitted and sometimes compelled by law to access and disclose information. For example, if we receive a search warrant from law enforcement for the contents of Snaps and those Snaps are still on our servers, a federal law called the Electronic Communications Privacy Act (ECPA) obliges us to produce the Snaps to the requesting law enforcement agency. For more information, see the section of our Privacy Policy that discusses circumstances when we may disclose information.

So far, Schaffer says, Snapchat has produced unopened Snaps to law enforcement agencies “about a dozen” times. It has also been occasionally asked to preserved Snaps while a search warrant is pending.

Ok, so there's a pretty good chance Snap doesn't have those images any more

[hexed jay]

^

[idle beacon]

@pseudo viper you want me to read the last 10hrs ?

[cerulean ridge]

Cause they do generally automatically delete them, and only seem to make exceptions for people who are already being surveilled

[slim summit]

don't bother, winston

nothing new has happened since last night

[clever trout]

nothing new but it's monday. maybe he will release a statement or something later

[pseudo viper]

Sure lmao

[slim summit]

^ ignore this man

[idle beacon]

ok thx easymac .. so kazper hasn't said anything about it yet

[cerulean ridge]

So assuming she has no unopened nudes/snaps and the same goes for dream, there's likely nothing they can get from snapchat

[balmy wolf]

DK is guilty or else he would defended himself

[pseudo viper]

Why ignore me

I've contributed here

[cerulean ridge]

I wouldn't say that proves he's guilty

[supple crow]

DK is double guilty because his now ex-GF wont stick up for him

[cerulean ridge]

But it's definitely suspicious

[supple crow]

and threatened suicide

[hexed jay]

Now I’m curious about the Weiner case

[balmy wolf]

@mörkenbörken#8549 90% guiltyness lul

[cerulean ridge]

Yeah, I'm not holding my breath

[severe folio]

We all have to wait until further information in provided from either party before it can really be discussed fully

[idle beacon]

so .. dreamkazper is the R. Kelly, the Rob Lowe of the overwatch scene, yes? 😄

[balmy wolf]

I think Snaps wont get deleted that fast

[pseudo viper]

ChildGrazper

[supple crow]

can't wait for the twitch spam this wed

[rain pewter]

unless lily made all of that up no matter what DK is out of the league, he just better hope there's no jail

[slim summit]

Trapped in the Spawn Room: Chapter 1

[balmy wolf]

KEK

[idle beacon]

did rob lowe end up in jail

?

[severe folio]

Boston might be done for too

Dream was hard carrying

[pseudo viper]

If Lily made it up then kazper shouldn't go to jail

[hexed jay]

False

[supple crow]

If Blizzard doesn't kick him out of OWL. OWL is done for, there's no saving it

media will not shut up about Blizzard tolerating child grooming

[hexed jay]

Not hard carrying

[supple crow]

sponsor will pull out etc.

[clever trout]

lol he won't go to jail if they won't find anything

[supple crow]

they have no choice

[clever trout]

he probably won't go to jail anyway

[halcyon chasm]

if he's innocent @supple crow ?

[balmy wolf]

Dk will become a meme for sure

[rain pewter]

if he's actually innocent on that 1% chance or whatever

he's still very likely fucked

[gusty cipher]

doesnt matter if he is innocent, the damage is already done

[halcyon chasm]

why?

[supple crow]

They probably can't take that chance

[cerulean ridge]

Not really, he's suspended right now

[rain pewter]

because he's been made a scapegoat of

[severe folio]

Unless they prove that most of the images are fake

[cerulean ridge]

This case is super public

[supple crow]

because even if their talk was 100% innocent

[rain pewter]

remember, the media's not going to shut up about it unless there's irrevocable proof

[supple crow]

he is literally DMing a minor

[slim summit]

that's not what a scapegoat is

[halcyon chasm]

so basically then you can just falsely accuse anyone in the overwatch league and they'd be done for

lol

[balmy wolf]

What will Dks meme name be? Childgrazper or Dream Daddy ?

[idle beacon]

@gusty cipher lol why dreamcozby ??? cozby didnt bang underages ?

[severe folio]

Even if he's proven innocent everyone will still hate him

[rain pewter]

the biggest question is really

[severe folio]

America

[cerulean ridge]

The backlash that would happen if Dream gets proven innocent and the DMs turn out to all be fake would be huge

[strong crescent]

DreamDadzper

Calling it now

[rain pewter]

"is lily telling the truth when she says that she's 14?"

[supple crow]

Blizzard can't take the bad press

[rain pewter]

and trust me

[idle beacon]

DreamKelly would fit better

[rain pewter]

nobody wants to touch that question with a ten foot pole

because it's sensitive af

[slim summit]

R.Kazper

[cerulean ridge]

I don't think that's really what people are doubting right now though

[idle beacon]

@slim summit or so ye 😄

[cerulean ridge]

There's never really been anything to suggest she is 18+

[strong crescent]

I'm pretty sure she's not lying about age.

[clever trout]

well it was suggested earlier lol

[supple crow]

If DK's innocent, Blizzard will just make DK an example to not even entertain about talking to minors

[rain pewter]

if lily's 14 then that's it

DK's out of the league

100%

[limber pine]

well, yeah

[strong crescent]

99%

[limber pine]

i don't think there's an argument there

[strong crescent]

1% is the conversation never happened

[limber pine]

sure

[supple crow]

The only saving grace is if lily is 18

[rain pewter]

OWL's not going to play ball with that shit

it's a singular player

definitely not worth the bad press to try and cover it up

[strong crescent]

So you're saying DK's getting booted no matter what

[clever trout]

so then it's only 50% bad because he still thought he was texting a minor 😛

[rain pewter]

if i was anybody in OWL's management i'll say fuck you to DK

[supple crow]

yes he's booted no matter what

[strong crescent]

I can see where you're coming from

[supple crow]

OWL is relatively new, they wont stand the scrutiny of a "rumored" pedo playing

[cerulean ridge]

If she's legal, but pretended to be 14 and Dream never knew she was 18+, that'd still make him a pedo though

Just not a criminal one

[idle beacon]

if i'd be blizz

[clever trout]

yeah

[rain pewter]

actually, that's true

[idle beacon]

i'd remove complete boston team

[limber pine]

wut

[rain pewter]

yeah, DK's fucked either way, gg

[cerulean ridge]

Why?

Boston aren't complicit

[idle beacon]

r u all really thinkin kazper kept this blabla so secretly that NOONE of boston knew about the minor chic?

[clever trout]

those teams are just a bunch of individual players as of now. it's not like they all started texting this girl.

[rain pewter]

don't they all live in different rooms?

[cerulean ridge]

Yes?

[balmy wolf]

Are u inside a Dream or is Dream inside u?

[gusty cipher]

private convos are private

[limber pine]

@idle beacon that's nothing but unsubstantiated conjecture

[clever trout]

why would they know who he's texting on his phone

[rain pewter]

then how would other people know what DK's up to?

[slim summit]

most people don't talk about seducing 14 year old girls over the internet with their work colleagues

but what do i know

[idle beacon]

aren't they buddies outside of the arena ?

[slim summit]

🤷

[limber pine]

and?

[rain pewter]

yeah and?

what, you think DK spilled all those juicy beans?

[idle beacon]

and? .. dudes talk about their chic crap

[cerulean ridge]

"Hey guys, I'm tryna smash this underage chick, I'm sending a bunch of sexual shit to her"

[rain pewter]

where's that proof

[cerulean ridge]

Yeah, that's totally what they do

[limber pine]

you're literally just thowing shit at a wall for no reason

[supple crow]

His teammates probably just thought she was a big fan of BU and the thing with DK was just normal fan interaction.

[gusty cipher]

twitter in person

[clever trout]

ok but it's not like he was super involved with her. he probably jacked off a few times to her nudes, that's hardly a topic for discussion.

[cerulean ridge]

Dude, I've had friends get roasted/roasted friends for dating 16 y/o's when they were 19, even though the age of consent is 16 here

[rain pewter]

i only hope there's no actual nudes involved

[cerulean ridge]

I hope so too

[hexed jay]

Boston doesn’t have a team house

[cerulean ridge]

Don't need more fucked up shit happening in this world

Wait, they don't?

I thought they did

[hexed jay]

Nope

[cerulean ridge]

Apts?

[red anvil]

wtf, do you think they let people see there personal DMs?

[rain pewter]

i know i won't

[red anvil]

or shove there personal DMs up peoples faces?

[rain pewter]

no matter how close i am with the other guy

[clever trout]

yeah exactly, they weren't meeting even

[idle beacon]

well if they dont have a team house, then its more unlikely he was talkin with mates about chics. i mean, any sports team .. mates talk about their chic stuff ..

[cerulean ridge]

What I'm guessing Winston's thinking here is that since a lot of guys brag about sexual escapades and shit

Kazper was doing the same

[idle beacon]

@mörkenbörken#8549 gets it!

[hexed jay]

Except there isn’t anything to brag about lol

[idle beacon]

he da man

[pseudo viper]

No, he lives in a team house

[clever trout]

also come on, not everyone talks about this stuff. especially considering on the outside he has a gf.

[hexed jay]

He didn’t even get to first base

[clever trout]

well had

[pseudo viper]

K I'm going

Have a good day

[cerulean ridge]

It's not unreasonable to think that someone would brag about it, but obviously since she's underage I doubt he would do it

[rain pewter]

if pedos actually talk to their mates about how they snagged a kid every single time they have an opportunity

a lot more pedos in this world will be busted

[cerulean ridge]

It'd be social suicide to do it

[idle beacon]

@pseudo viper l8r lad

[supple crow]

DK even told the girl not to tell anyone

so he knew

[hexed jay]

Boston doesn’t have a team house

[clever trout]

right, i forgot about that

[supple crow]

https://i.imgur.com/gcAS7DX.png

[halcyon chasm]

overwatch league would make a great drama tv series

[rain pewter]

grooming at its finest

[clever trout]

lul you can see the panic button switching in his head

[rain pewter]

OWL could actually have a reality show if they wanted

[idle beacon]

well my opinion still is, who knows if this lily didn't do all this on purpose or not. she did admit that kazper added her.. but then again, how in the hell did he know how she looks like and blabla.. did he search off twitter for hot OW chics?

[rain pewter]

the amount of material they could work with

[cerulean ridge]

Pretty much everyone I've even joked to on discord about egirls has made it abundantly clear that they wouldn't touch an underage girl with a 10ft pole

[supple crow]

she followed him

her pics was on her twitter before she removed it

[cerulean ridge]

Like, there's no way he's talked about it in detail with his friends before and they all said it was cool.

[idle beacon]

@supple crow

One day out of the blue, I was followed by one of the players for Boston Uprising, DreamKazper.

[halcyon chasm]

@cerulean ridge make it 100meter pole 😄

[cerulean ridge]

Hey, that's the same distance as my court order

[red anvil]

if it was a 18 year old boy and a 16 year girl, i wouldent had a issue with it

[cerulean ridge]

Is that an inappropriate joke?

[red anvil]

but 6 years?

[clever trout]

i understood it as he followed her back

[supple crow]

yeah but that doesn't mean she wasnt already following him

[idle beacon]

oh

[supple crow]

her twitter was full of esport stuff

[cerulean ridge]

Does it matter who followed who?

Or even who sent the first DM?

[idle beacon]

ah yea. stupid twitter. i've forgot that if you follow someone, that he isn't automatically following you

[cerulean ridge]

No one's claiming they started with sexual stuff right off the bat

[halcyon chasm]

xD

[cerulean ridge]

So however it started is kind of irrelevant, since it may very well have been an innocent enough fan/idol encounter

[hexed jay]

There’s a reason why it’s called jailbait

[pearl stratus]

It'll most likely matter in the run depending on where it goes. It's currently he-said she-said which means it turns into character assassination/questioning.

So it becomes a defense attorneys best interest to prove the girl wasn't a victim, etc, etc. But thats way down the road.

[rain pewter]

the part about lily saying she's 14 and then DK following up regardless is already the nail

someone said earlier

even if lily's not actually 14

DK followed through while lily said she's 14

[pearl stratus]

Yeah, the kids career is over either way.

[idle beacon]

is there any pic about where she was tellin him that she's 14 ?

[clever trout]

someone else told him and he was like "nah not doing anything wrong"

[pearl stratus]

Yeah, its fucked up by all accounts. But my biggest suggestion to everyone is until a proper investigation is done is to treat everything with a grain of salt.

Until verified DM's, PM's, Text messages are insanely easy to fake. Not that I think these were, but until its proven its all suspect like anything in these situations.

[supple crow]

I don't think she mentioned being 14 in the original leaks

but carter_ow's leak mentioned that she told him

[idle beacon]

i still doubt she's 14

[sweet jewel]

She's 15 by this point I think

[clever trout]

but why? it's not hard to check

[cerulean ridge]

Dude, I'm already feeling really guilty that I'm talking about this so much since no official investigation has concluded.

We're kind of going past the whole innocent til proven guilty

[slim summit]

if DK hasn't denied it

we probably should believe it

[pearl stratus]

Until there's an official investigation its all just witch hunt etc.

[sweet jewel]

I think the "official" timeline is that Kazper initiated contact when she was 14 almost 15

[cerulean ridge]

But the evidence looks pretty damning

[idle beacon]

https://postimg.org/image/gb9nt4l1r/

[bitter nebula]

Can Boston recover

[cerulean ridge]

And I can't help myself :(

[clever trout]

we're not doing anything to him. we're just talking.

[idle beacon]

lol what a dumb freak 😄

[pearl stratus]

Actually if he denied it I'd distrust him even more.

[cerulean ridge]

We're affecting public opinion

[supple crow]

then there's this

[bitter nebula]

Or is Boston screwed

[supple crow]

https://i.imgur.com/QbM4e5G.jpg

[cerulean ridge]

Boston can recover

[pearl stratus]

Making statements really early is always a bad defense, constantly.

[bitter nebula]

Yikes

[clever trout]

but are we really

[pearl stratus]

Mistakes will be fine, their biggest issue will be the loss of a Widow.

[halcyon chasm]

I think we need to call grammar police

[clever trout]

it made it to the news already

[cerulean ridge]

Boston's more than just the sum of their parts, and always will be

[pearl stratus]

Sombra meta means Mistakes won't be out of it.

[bitter nebula]

I don’t get why people thought Boston could have been too 3

Muriel upvotes for those posts

Multiple

[sweet jewel]

Evidence is pretty damning, and people are right. IF all of this was faked, DK would have come out the second these were announced saying that he's never met her and that she's some delusional fan. However, seeing as he hasn't, it indicates that there is probably at least some truth in this (or all of it).

[cerulean ridge]

The staff are good, they're going to be a mid-tier OWL team at worst after this

[idle beacon]

@supple crow i've seen another screenshot where a dude was commenting a post of lily .. where he ws talkin about her talkin about lewd and porn 24/7 on her humblekusaii account

[bitter nebula]

They were always at that mid tier

[supple crow]

dang

[clever trout]

are we gonna go over that porn thing again

[cerulean ridge]

Main thing is we're not authorities who can get and confirm 100% authenticity of anything

[bitter nebula]

But a lot of people thought this hurt their chances for top 4

[hexed jay]

Like other Boston sports teams, they turned no name players into playoff contenders

[bitter nebula]

They weren’t ever finishing to 4

[sudden prawn]

@sweet jewel yeah hes pretty fucked. however, he could have been trying to lawyer up prior to releasing a statement, but those DM's look VERY legit.

[hexed jay]

It’s about that coaching

[cerulean ridge]

So any evidence we're getting has gone through some filter

[pearl stratus]

Until a communications company verifies it all it can do is look legit.

[hexed jay]

#TB199

[halcyon chasm]

Is anyone eating popcorn? 🍿

[pearl stratus]

And honestly as a community we need to sort of hope its legit.

[sudden prawn]

@pearl stratus whos going to verify it?

[pearl stratus]

He's 21.

[sweet jewel]

@sudden prawn Yeah that's definitely possible, but I think he could have had a lawyer draft a very basic statement early. "I have been informed that someone has posted screenshots claiming that I sent sexual photos and messages to a minor. These are faked, and I am currently in contact with a legal team. That is all."

[pearl stratus]

It'd go to the police.

There will have to be a police investigation, you can't not.

[cerulean ridge]

As a community there's really no good outcome to this right now

[clever trout]

blizzard can probably request verification

[hexed jay]

@halcyon chasm sadly there probably won’t be much more juicy stuff

[clever trout]

in some way

[sudden prawn]

@sweet jewel easier said than done, especially if the teams dont have an in house legal council to immediately contact

[pearl stratus]

Either way this is a police matter right now, because its contributing to the sexual delinquency to the minor.

[sudden prawn]

and blizz made a statement so they must be verified

[sweet jewel]

Not necessarily

[halcyon chasm]

dreamkazper be like https://twitter.com/PlayOverwatch/status/983147489921503232

Overwatch (@PlayOverwatch)

Decryption status: COMPLETE

Accessing file: RETRIBUTION DEBRIEF – MCCREE https://t.co/WGnQWpbEgq

Retweets

5060

Likes

16717

▶ Play video

Twitter

xD

[supple crow]

have you guys read DK's GF? that's the most damning proof. She's the one most closest to him and she doesn't even try to defend him.

[clever trout]

well they can't confirm the snapchat thing, that's for sure. but i'm sure they have ways to investigate if the dms happened.

[pearl stratus]

Snapchat has a database.

They can definitely verify it.

[idle beacon]

just seen screenshots where he is saying that she looks very damn hot

[sweet jewel]

Even if these are faked DK's career is over~you can't have that on you, and if they aren't then he's going to jail. Blizzard wants no part of that. It's not suprising that they suspend him immediately.

[idle beacon]

how can a kid look very damn hot?

[clever trout]

ok but not blizzard. that's for police.

[idle beacon]

oO

[pearl stratus]

Yeah, and its a police matter no matter what happens.

[sudden prawn]

@supple crow link to his GF saying stuff?

[pearl stratus]

She made accusations that he jerked off on face time.

There's no way that doesn't go to the police.

[idle beacon]

what the fuck is facetime ?

[sudden prawn]

accusation of that doesnt mean shit without evidence

[bitter nebula]

Yikes all around

[sweet jewel]

Didn't he convince her to send him nudes?

[sudden prawn]

facetime is apples built in video call

[bitter nebula]

Yikes all around

[idle beacon]

lol

[sweet jewel]

Because if so then that's possession of child pornography.

[supple crow]

https://twitter.com/Iuminosus DK's gf

❥ Faye (@Iuminosus)

Hey i'm Faye and I'm just here to cheer people up! | Cat and Kirby enthusiast ! | 👑@Kittaly

Tweets

6179

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373

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[pearl stratus]

@sweet jewel Double edged.

Because its also her being guilty of distribution of child pornography.

Welcome to weird law loopholes 😛

[sweet jewel]

Yeah, that's alwayws weird. Though aren't the courts usually lenient in a case ilke this, due to the "grooming" aspect?

[civic marsh]

have cute GF
have inappropriate relations with 14 yr old
🤔

[pearl stratus]

Depends on her character.

[rain pewter]

were minors ever prosecuted harshly for distributing their own porn?

[sudden prawn]

his gf is cute. wtf is wrong with DK

[pearl stratus]

@rain pewter Yes, actually.

It's kind of fucked up.

[idle beacon]

DK's gf look like underage, aswell

[slim summit]

not without aggravating circumstances

[clever trout]

she claims he asked for them and to be fair those are her own pictures. i'd say he's to be blamed here, by law too.

[pearl stratus]

Oh they both are, thats why its double edged.

[sweet jewel]

Even if she never sent him a photo he's probably going to jail; that congressman, Anthony Weiner, got 21 months in prison for sending dick-pics to a minor.

[slim summit]

when it comes to sexting it almost never happens

[civic marsh]

@idle beacon what

[cerulean ridge]

It's just fucked.

Either DreamKazper's a fucking grooming pedo and some people who didn't deserve it were exposed to shitty behaviour they really didn't deserve to be exposed to.

Or as a community a ton of us basically condemned dreamkazper for something he didn't do because we believed a party who has an agenda and cause damage to DreamKazper, OWL, the esports community, the OW fanbase, etc.

Either way a lot of people from a bunch of communities have harassed a ton of people who didn't deserve it.

[pearl stratus]

@sweet jewel It's all if there's proof.

Without confirmed proof none of this actually matters.

[slim summit]

obviously that isn't true

he was suspended

[pearl stratus]

Sorry, I mean legally.

His careers over no matter what.

[slim summit]

oh, right, yeah

[pearl stratus]

He's a PR nightmare to keep around even if he's proven completely innocent.

[idle beacon]

@civic marsh dreamkazpers girlfriend does not look like EIGHTEEN to me

[slim summit]

based on the allegations it's probably unlikely that there is concrete proof

unless more comes to light

[pearl stratus]

It's like when people get rape accusations overturned.

They're still considered rapists for life.

[halcyon chasm]

I really like you @cerulean ridge 😘

[sudden prawn]

@mörkenbörken#8549 i just think hes an inexperienced esports nerd who had an equally nerdy gf and he suddenly has a lot of attention and didnt know what to do

[cerulean ridge]

This incident is a lot more public though

[pearl stratus]

It's going to be a fiasco either way.

[clever trout]

so he went for a 14 year old?

[pearl stratus]

Or she went after him

Both wrong.

[cerulean ridge]

Thanks @halcyon chasm 😄

[idle beacon]

@sudden prawn he should've gone for milfs instead for kids .. if he didnt knew what to do with all the attention 😄

[civic marsh]

he followed her on twitter to initiate contact

[slim summit]

let's play this out like a classic text based RPG

A fourteen year old comes on to you

(hint: don't say "show her my dick")

[civic marsh]

nope the fuck out

immediately

[pearl stratus]

Like I said, both wrong. It doesn't absolve any party.

[cerulean ridge]

Sorry, you're 14, not interested

[pearl stratus]

But you better believe any lawyer worth his salt is going to try and utterly destroy her character if it gets to that point.

[clever trout]

she can hit on him, he should refuse and that would end.

[cerulean ridge]

Both may be morally wrong to some extent, but only one of them's criminally wrong

[idle beacon]

now srsly .. his gf doesn't look like she's 18+

[clever trout]

well of course a laweyr would. thankfully judges usually don't care.

[civic marsh]

his girlfriend is 20 and looks around that age. the other girl clearly looks underage

[slim summit]

a lawyer would probably get him to take a probationary plea to avoid jail time

but what do i know

i've never been charged with anything, much less shit like this

[pearl stratus]

They'll bring up the secondary twitter where she basically just shared lewd stuff, they'll bring up her being a part of a discord named "Hoeston Outsluts" or whatever thot thing that is.

[idle beacon]

@civic marsh she doesn't look mature at all .. tf is wrong with you?

[pearl stratus]

It's going to be juicy af.

[cerulean ridge]

Disregarding the whole "She looks -- years old" things, is there any way any adult who interacts with more than 10 people a week wouldn't know that someone's underage?

EDIT: If they're talking to them regularly that is

[clever trout]

if it goes to court she's gonna be embarrassed to the oblivion but what can you do

[slim summit]

also

not knowing

is not a legal defense

[pearl stratus]

She'll end up completely ostracized by the OW community too, so I expect a big rant from her about that.

Yeah ignorance isn't acceptable, lol

[civic marsh]

someone explicitly told him that she was 14

[pearl stratus]

Like no pro from the OW league, if they're smart, will even pretend she was ever born.

[supple crow]

Apparently there's going to be one more minor coming out.

[cerulean ridge]

Yeah, but in some of the newer leaks he said he thought it was a joke

[clever trout]

who cares if his gf looks mature or not? she's an adult, stop judging her looks lol

[pearl stratus]

They'll avoid that shit with a thousand foot pole.

[supple crow]

Article will probably be reeleased later or something

[cerulean ridge]

But seriously

[pearl stratus]

Also visually will never matter.

Some people just look young af.

[rain pewter]

yeah don't judge a book, remember

[pearl stratus]

One of my coworkers looks like she's 19 at most, and she's like 38.

[supple crow]

https://twitter.com/Seyeumi/status/983163017289347072

Aeri 🌸 (@Seyeumi)

I was just contacted by a girl (who wishes to remain anonymous as she decides how to go forward with her evidence) who is also a MINOR involved in inappropriate messaging/factiming with DreamKazper. This isn't just @IiNkzr so please don't vict...

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if this is true there's no saving him ever

[rain pewter]

i remember looking at a 12 yo prodigy in some sports meet and i was like

[idle beacon]

@clever trout i can judge whatever i want lol

[rain pewter]

WAIT SHE'S 12 I THOUGHT SHE WAS 16

[pearl stratus]

When it involves the internet its just best to assume everyone is 13 and a boy.

You'll save yourself a lot of trouble.

[idle beacon]

lol

[clever trout]

sure you can but that's hardly relevant to this discussion

[pearl stratus]

Unless you're Jared from Subway.

Then I guess.

Jackpot?

[cerulean ridge]

The 14 year olds who could sell the idea that they're 18+ to any 20 year old while talking to them for a long period of time, aren't the ones running fan accounts for public figures

The defense that he thought it was a joke that she was 14 will not hold up

[clever trout]

it's just weird, i'm pretty sure people around 18-21 can just look older or younger, we develop differently

[rain pewter]

unless the 20 year olds don't have the mental capacity of a 18, even

[cerulean ridge]

People can look older or younger, sure

[rain pewter]

i've seen tons of cases where i am from

[pearl stratus]

I mean development has also changed as social structure changes.

[idle beacon]

@clever trout well it is .. maybe DK is into u18 lookin chics .. u18 chics.

[rain pewter]

"BUT SHE SAYS SHE'S 18"

[pearl stratus]

I look at kids now and how they dress/act and its honestly shocking compared to my upbringing.

[clever trout]

ok but let's not play a psychologist here

[cerulean ridge]

But behaviour in long personal conversations is not something they can hide

[idle beacon]

come on .. let's Goren the shit out of this, senua 😦

[gusty cipher]

no, this whole topic isnt even our concern

[pearl stratus]

Oh no, it doesn't make it wrong. Just saying the developmental change needs to create a more cognizant and cautious approach to this shit.

[idle beacon]

@pearl stratus what?

[pearl stratus]

Like if people are trying to act grown at 14, you gotta know that and be super fucking cautious.

[idle beacon]

developmental change? eh

[pearl stratus]

Ask for ID if you need to before you DM someone, I don't give a fuck.

Just don't be dumb.

[idle beacon]

is that a word? developmental ?

[pearl stratus]

Yep.

[cerulean ridge]

Or remember this

[rain pewter]

yeah

[idle beacon]

never heard 😃

[civic marsh]

and when someone warns you that shes 14 u should probably gtfo instead of escalating it like he did

[cerulean ridge]

"On the internet, no one knows you're a dog"

[pearl stratus]

@civic marsh There is a DM thing where he did.

He mentions that they may have crossed a line and should stop and just be friends.

Then like a day later she went public with everything.

[rain pewter]

these ones:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaSfgJVX0AAx_yy.jpg

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaSfgJeXcAAYSWR.jpg

[clever trout]

anyway the texts suggested he knew about about her age before someone told him, then he again didn't care so it's like 🤦

[civic marsh]

theres one where someone warns him and he plays it off like it's nothing

yikes

[pearl stratus]

Also I'm cynical as fuck and I really think she got coached by a bunch of people to gather evidence.

Cause she was still DM'ing him yesterday and fishing for info.

Which is weird af.

[rain pewter]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DaSfgJdWsAAyLYj.jpg

[supple crow]

Yeah she talked to her friends and stuff

[pearl stratus]

I thought they were all joking is not a defense, lol

[supple crow]

joking for all 2 or 3 months?!

[indigo barn]

She is actually jake because Jake mad pissed about 4-0 loss

[twilit forum]

what if she was a bait to destroy boston

tinfoil activated

[elder oracle]

Lol shadder

[idle beacon]

so on one acc she's 14, on her other acc she's 15 yes?

[civic marsh]

"not doing anything stupid" LUL

[pearl stratus]

@supple crow That's under the assumption it was every brought up multiple times.

[idle beacon]

what bullshit is this?

[cerulean ridge]

"Lol, she's sending me a fake ID, she's so dedicated to this joke hahaha"

[gusty cipher]

i mean jake does look like he is 14 lol

[clever trout]

that's textbook backtracking

[rain pewter]

these last few shots are pretty damning unless the DK in this case is a fake one

but that's another pandora's box to open so i am not going to touch it

[idle beacon]

@gusty cipher jake looks like he shud be forbidden

[pearl stratus]

Yeah without verification its all up in the air.

So only thing people can do is wait.

[limber pine]

^

[supple crow]

It doesn't matter if he's joking or not he's 100% out of OWL

"joking" sexual related stuff with a minor

[civic marsh]

best case his career is over, worst case: 🚓

[twilit forum]

yoioioioikes

[pearl stratus]

Yeah I don't think anyone is denying that.

I think most people are talking about extents of how fucked he is now.

Also RIP US team in Worlds now.

[civic marsh]

if it gets confirmed that nudes were exchanged then rip dream daddy

[pearl stratus]

Went from a team with a good chance to bronze at best.

[twilit forum]

dude south korea was going to win anyways

why care LOL

[supple crow]

SK has JJonak

[idle beacon]

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Antwort an @IiNkzr @humblekusaii
Wasnt that your NSFW twitter where you talked about lewd shit 24/7 and retweeted porn, Just wondering :)

(u blocked me on that account fyi)

[clever trout]

i wouldn't be surprised if she still fished for info later, she probably wanted to get her story confirmed as much as possible

[idle beacon]

this is very confusing

[supple crow]

meh normal for teens to have a porn account

[civic marsh]

is it

[supple crow]

theyt are literally discovering their sexuality

[clever trout]

what is confusing? horny 14 year olds?

[idle beacon]

how fucked up are american kids?

[twilit forum]

very fucked

lol

[pearl stratus]

Depends how shitty their parents are.

[cerulean ridge]

How so?

[idle beacon]

i don't know none here .. being 14 and watchin porn 24/7

[clever trout]

lol i'm european and that's not even weird

[idle beacon]

kids here are rather 'eeeewwwww' a bout it

[pearl stratus]

People don't even vaccinate their kids nowadays.

[twilit forum]

age of consent in DE is like 14

[pearl stratus]

You think they care about them enough to keep track of that?

[cerulean ridge]

14 year olds are just basically starting puberty

[idle beacon]

@clever trout european from where?

[clever trout]

does it matter?

[cerulean ridge]

They get all kinds of weird about sex stuff

[pearl stratus]

It will for her.

[clever trout]

not american

[idle beacon]

yea, cuz like here .. it ain't really like that

[forest jackal]

age of consent doesnt matter here

she couldve been like

16

[cerulean ridge]

That's why you as an adult shouldn't fucking touch them

[fresh turret]

This really worries me about the future of OWL, I always liked Boston as the underdog team and Kazper was my favorite personality in the team so it's very hard for me to accept this

[forest jackal]

and it would still be fucked and potentially illegal

[fresh turret]

it's also bad for league PR obviously

[clever trout]

you do realise teenagers are the same everywhere? it's just your point of view "they don't do that"

[supple crow]

they just need to make a rule

[idle beacon]

@fresh turret striker > kazper

[supple crow]

to never talk to minors

[pearl stratus]

Eh they handled it well enough, quickly enough.

[supple crow]

like ever!

[pearl stratus]

It'll be fine.

[twilit forum]

yeah since there was nudes potentially involved

[cerulean ridge]

Honestly Boston are still an amazing team though, with or without Kazper

[twilit forum]

its possession of illegal content

hence very illegal

[hexed jay]

Who needs parenting when you have YouTube ?

[forest jackal]

tbh I think OWL has bigger problems then this.

[pearl stratus]

This whole "OH MY GOD I DON'T EVEN TRUST THE LEAGUE ANYMORE" stuff is just stupid.

Like shit bitch. You're still on the internet.

This shit happens every day.

[gusty cipher]

twitter is stupid

[pearl stratus]

This is just someone you know about now.

[hexed jay]

The only people watching these youtubers is kids

[cerulean ridge]

They did what no other team did by just signing so many relatively unknown names and still building an incredibly strong team

[clever trout]

at 14 1/3 of my class already had sex :/ it's really not out of ordinary and that was 15 years ago

[civic marsh]

🤔

[clever trout]

it shouldn'\t be like that but thinking that a 14 year old retweeting porn is something weird is quite funny

[cerulean ridge]

Plus teenagers have pretty much always tried to act like they were older/more mature than they were

[balmy wolf]

What senua said tbh

[fresh turret]

It's not weird really yeah

[indigo barn]

It’s kinda normal

They’re going through puberty after all

Not good, but it happens

[rain pewter]

i was searching up porn too when i was a teen

[fresh turret]

I do trust the league, but it's going to suffer badly from this and I think there's gonna be a FAT background check on all future players coming into the league, which could be good but could also discourage people from joining and stuff

[balmy wolf]

My little brother is 14 i'm around a 14yo all the time it's not that wierd for a kid their age to be sexual. Btw most kids have started puberty already by 12-13yo

[rain pewter]

it happens

[cerulean ridge]

Would a background check stop this?

[rain pewter]

doesn't mean everybody who searches up porn when they're kids grow up fucked

or at least i hope i am not

[pearl stratus]

Background check wouldn't do shit for this, lmao.

[fresh turret]

bg check wouldn't have stopped this yeah

[cerulean ridge]

It only started after he became an OWL player

[fresh turret]

but they can't check constantly

[cerulean ridge]

A background check would really only have stopped Sado and maybe Silkthread

[fresh turret]

I just wonder if the league'll trust their players well

[pearl stratus]

If they're smart, no.

If anyones smart you don't just trust people.

[idle beacon]

discovering your sexuality and being into porn 24/7 at that age is a damn huge difference

[pearl stratus]

That's fucking dumb.

[cerulean ridge]

Is she into porn 24/7 though

[forest jackal]

the thing is

[cerulean ridge]

None of us know her personally

[forest jackal]

14 y/os having sex is fine

[indigo barn]

If worse comes to worst at least Boston still got mistakes amirite

[idle beacon]

@mörkenbörken#8549 want me to post it again? 😃

[forest jackal]

there is nothing wrong if its someone their age

and it's consentual between them

[pearl stratus]

I mean technically it still is.

[civic marsh]

lol i'm out

[cerulean ridge]

Yeah, some dude said she was tweeting porn shit 24/7

[rain pewter]

what if it's a 15 yo with a 14?

[forest jackal]

but when there is a power dynamic of a fucking ESPORTS star

[cerulean ridge]

But that's not literal

[rain pewter]

or a 14 yo with a 12?

slippery slope af

[slim summit]

age / 2 + 7

[forest jackal]

@rain pewter It's about the power dynamic

tbh

[pearl stratus]

People forget that a 16 year old and 14 year old literally got charged, and convicted, for making a sex tape.

[fresh turret]

If I saw something like this with Jjonak or someone on that level I would probably quit watching the league tbh

[clever trout]

it's just what she said on profile infor... i say that i'm a half-witch, half-pirate

[pearl stratus]

That they didn't show with anyone.

[forest jackal]

Once again