esports-discussion

[hidden vault]

it was all about that

[limber pine]

Envy is a better dva than space

well Valiant think otherwise ATM

unless they're in such disarray after a mediocre stage 2 that they're trying anything

[hidden vault]

Maybe Envy had some emotional stress he hadn't had before

[pearl stratus]

There's something going on we're not privy too.

[hidden vault]

yeahh

[pearl stratus]

But other owners seem to be.

[ruby pendant]

Can't Valiant replace the Overwatch League players with Contender players?

[limber pine]

i mean like endoken said, it's clearly internal

[pearl stratus]

By how no one picked him up.

Which isn't abnormal.

Owners tend to talk about that kind of stuff.

@ruby pendant Theoretically if they're of age, yes. But you'll be at a pretty noticeable disadvantage until they acclimate.

Look at Sinatraa for a decent example - definitely a skilled player. Came to OWL, super hyped.

[hidden vault]

teamwork > individual skill
it just seem like Dallas doesn't value this

[pearl stratus]

Did not match up to the caliber of the OWL players in his first two matches, noticeable.

He'll get there, but its time.

So they're potentially trying to go into Stage 3 without that disadvantage.

[ruby pendant]

@pearl stratus K, yea definitely need to assimilate.

Though I saw some nice contender players like Spirit and others. Warned people about Sinatra too, lol. Felt good!

[pearl stratus]

Playing on LAN is insanely different too, by all accounts.

I don't have personal experience, but most pros say its hugely noticeable.

Oh I think Sinatraa will be fine in OWL after he adjusts.

[hidden vault]

what happened to Sinatra??

[pearl stratus]

But if you compare him even just to Danteh its been noticeable how much being in the OWL improved Danteh as a player in a short time.

Nothing happened, really. He just..was average.

He played like he always plays, which means he played in a way that everyones seen for the last year and a half.

[tawny sigil]

I dreamt shanghai got their first win against dallas, then i woke up

[ruby pendant]

lol, that's reality.

They win tomorrow!

[hidden vault]

Endoken what do you mean?

[pearl stratus]

Sinatraa plays ladder, really well. His Tracer play is designed to be good in ladder play.

Which also makes it really, really predictable.

[tawny sigil]

Preview is in 9 hours?

[pearl stratus]

Because he's been playing the same way for a year and a half.

[left spoke]

He has to adjust his playstyle

[pearl stratus]

He needs to adjust to keep up to how OWL tracers play.

[left spoke]

his ladder play is insane

but he has to play with his team more i think

[pearl stratus]

With his team and with his head a bit more.

Ladder has a lot of leniency.

[left spoke]

ya the triple blink recall that he does is not smart at all

that is 12 seconds where the fight is 5v6

[pearl stratus]

He's never had to deal with people like Jjonak too.

So having threats like a Zenyatta who not only will, but usually, fucks you up

Is new.

[left spoke]

Jjon is insane

[hidden vault]

clearly

[pearl stratus]

I think he'll do fine and adjust.

[left spoke]

sinatraa is super young too

he has a lot of time

[pearl stratus]

But it was evident in his first two games that he needed to start learning a new way of Tracer.

[left spoke]

and i think his salary will be worth a couple seasons from no

[pearl stratus]

And he's also lucky because he's got Danteh around.

[left spoke]

now*

[pearl stratus]

Who went from being a really meh Tracer.

[ruby pendant]

I'm sure with the resources that these teams have, players will get better. They have high tech analytical programs. It's only reasonable for these players to be in for a shock for their first time.

[pearl stratus]

To being respectable.

And can help him through it.

[hidden vault]

wait a min I just realised sfs has 5 tracers LOL

[left spoke]

Danteh has been super good

danteh

sin

babybay

iddqd

and who else?

[pearl stratus]

IDDQD is basically just an analyst for them now.

[tawny sigil]

can't wait to see how mayhem perform this stageç

[pearl stratus]

They really need to bring him out in Stage 3.

[hidden vault]

oh wait architect isn't 😅

[pearl stratus]

I think his leadership and thought would help them a lot.

Architect can play Tracer, but not nearly to the level.

[hidden vault]

but they have 5 dps and 4 of them are tracers

[left spoke]

sayaplayer arrived so i think florida will be good

[pearl stratus]

And Awesomeguy.

Cwoosh improved a lot.

But replacing him with Awesomeguy is going to be huge for them.

[tawny sigil]

Weren't people saying IDDQD was the no.1 mccree, why hasn't he played yet if that's the case

[pearl stratus]

I don't think SFS had enough of a player base to really risk a three dps rotation like LAGlad did.

Babybay was their core for Stage 1 and I think they were scared to sub him out.

Because with two Mercy resses he could do some work.

Then Danteh showed up for Stage 2, and they didn't want to sub him out.

I think with Sinatraa around they can make use of all of them in different ways.

They're hitscan heavy though, which is another issue.

[hidden vault]

but they just got architect

[pearl stratus]

Babybay, Sinatraa, and IDDQD basically all overlap.

[hidden vault]

and danteh too

[pearl stratus]

Danteh overlaps with Sinatraa/Babybay/Architect.

[ruby pendant]

Looking forward for the Dragons game

[pearl stratus]

It's going to be a mess.

[ruby pendant]

Want to see how they play

[hidden vault]

it is

[torpid charm]

[ruby pendant]

No hope?

[pearl stratus]

10 days isn't really enough time to fully prepare.

[hidden vault]

they probably need to trade iddqd out

[pearl stratus]

I mean Dallas is a dumpster fire.

So there's hope.

But I don't think its going to be this flawless thing.

[ruby pendant]

Have they considered replacing any other players?

I only know of Geguri

[pearl stratus]

They'll be running 4 new players.

Fearless (MT), Geguri (OT), Ado (Projectile), Sky (Zen)

[hidden vault]

I think if Dallas's toxic players actually work together they are gonna be a force to be reckon with

[torpid charm]

the map pool for this stage

[pearl stratus]

Diya will be their ace in the hole.

But ironically Diya is going to keep Geguri on D'va.

Because Diya actually has a really good Zarya.

[ruby pendant]

@pearl stratus I will believe in the Dragons then.

[pearl stratus]

So you'll keep your better D'va on D'va.

Which is Geguri.

[hidden vault]

Geguri's zarya is op too actually

[pearl stratus]

And Diya will probably play Zarya.

It is, but its a matter of whats the better combo.

[jagged crater]

Unkoe notorious for tilting, don't see how that will help fuel

[pearl stratus]

It's better to keep her on D'va and not have to put like a Diya D'va or MG D'va.

[hidden vault]

I haven't seen Diya's zarya

[fallow raven]

Unkoe is bad

[jagged crater]

In an already tilted environment

[hidden vault]

but I think geguri will play zarya

[pearl stratus]

He played it twice on KR before he left.

It was actually good.

[fallow raven]

Shanghai beats Fuel

[torpid charm]

all of Dallas is tilted so he'll fit right in

[fallow raven]

3-2

[tawny sigil]

team wide primal rage

[pearl stratus]

I really don't think she'll play much Zarya, as much as I want to see her do it.

[fallow raven]

I think she will

[torpid charm]

Shanghai for the wiiiiiin

[pearl stratus]

Just because they don't have another D'va to play.

Unless they put back in Yushu or MG.

[torpid charm]

exactly

[pearl stratus]

Which is a trainwreck.

[fallow raven]

They won't run dva and Zarya so

[torpid charm]

yeah

[fallow raven]

There's no issue

[pearl stratus]

You don't run Zarya without a triple tank.

So.

[tawny sigil]

still waiting for the final handshake to go south

[torpid charm]

why wouldnt they

[fallow raven]

They will run zarya rein

[torpid charm]

sounds fake

[fallow raven]

Unless they do quad tank

[ruby pendant]

@pearl stratus Do you think Ado is decent?

[fallow raven]

In which case it won't matter r

[pearl stratus]

Yeah, since a Zarya basically demands a D'va to eat Gravs.

[torpid charm]

^

[fallow raven]

That's the enemy team wat

[ruby pendant]

Not sure what to think of him

[jagged crater]

Shanghai vs Dallas gonna be fun

[torpid charm]

you need it both ways

[pearl stratus]

I can't tell @ruby pendant He didn't look horrible in his matches, but with only one tank it was hard to tell since no space got created.

[jagged crater]

Battle of the worst managed teams

[pearl stratus]

You can't really judge a DPS without tanks to give them room to work.

Nah.

Dallas and LAV are both worse run than Shanghai now.

[ruby pendant]

haha

April fools past already!

[pearl stratus]

For me you can tell Shanghais management got their head out of their asses based on their pickups.

[jagged crater]

Maybe battle of worst team vs worst managed

[pearl stratus]

They had four super logical pick ups.

Whereas Dallas is like "LETS TRADE CUSTA FOR UNKOE. SO AKM CAN HAVE SOME BUTTER FOR HIS BAGUETTE."

[ruby pendant]

You're right, we'll see

[jagged crater]

Is Shanghai speaking english?

[pearl stratus]

Yeah, thats the mid ground for their comms.

Though Ado/Fearless (not sure about Geguri) both have Chinese tutors as well.

[jagged crater]

All depends how well they can muster up their english

[pearl stratus]

I mean thankfully calls in other languages tend to be pretty to the point.

Calling as a language is meant to be succinct so it gives them a set vocab to learn.

[hidden vault]

it's probably chinese/korean on the dragons

[pearl stratus]

Nah they said they were doing their calls in english.

Since they need english anyway as part of the league.

[jagged crater]

Mixing it up sounds disasterous

[hidden vault]

ohh

[jagged crater]

Stick to one language

[pearl stratus]

50/50. Sometimes using another languages calls can be helpful if its quicker.

Like Boston uses english + korean calls.

Because some of the korean calls are much faster.

[ruby pendant]

They teach English in China and South Korea in their schools, won't be that bad for them to make calls. If it's basic words.

[pearl stratus]

@ruby pendant You got to think of that like learning Spanish in high school in the US though.

Unless you actively use it, you forget it all.

[ruby pendant]

Yea, but the U.S varies

Some only learn it in highschool

[jagged crater]

I've seen some of the Shanghai pkayers on streams, English is not great

[ruby pendant]

Outside of the U.S, they usually learn it in elementary

[jagged crater]

Mostly basic calls

[pearl stratus]

Agree entirely, but I more mean along the lines of if they learned it in school and haven't been using it its still problematic.

I think its the smarter middle ground though.

[torpid charm]

I learned it in elementary then got to high school and had the option between 4 diff languages

[hidden vault]

too bad we can't listen to their coms

[pearl stratus]

Since Korean and Chinese are very different.

Korean and Japanese are closer.

[jagged crater]

Yeah I learned 5 years of French in high school, never used it and forgot most of it

[ruby pendant]

They may not be comfortable or forgot it like you said. That's understandable.

[hidden vault]

@torpid charm which country are you from?

I learn 2 but I don't have a choice

korean then chinese is closer then any other language other then japanese

[torpid charm]

North America, I'm in the states, Pennsylvania/New Jersey and I've been taking French for 4 years

[hidden vault]

english and one other is it?

[jagged crater]

I only took French for easy credit

[hidden vault]

what's the other choices?

[torpid charm]

they offer German, Latin, French, Spanish. if you're in ESL then you are taught English instead of having to take one of the 4

[hidden vault]

ESL?

[torpid charm]

but uuuuuuuuuh I'm really hoping it goes well for Shanghai tomorrow

English as a Second Language, we have a lot of kids that come from Spanish speaking countries or the Middle East and all they know is the language they learned from where they came

[jagged crater]

My school had Spanish Italian French. Spanish would've been most useful for 2nd choice around here

[torpid charm]

New coaches, new players, new stage = their time to shine

I can't belive Grimreality got bumped up to assistant coach

[hidden vault]

rights

back to esports

[jagged crater]

Feel so bad for grim

Def not something grim wanted

[pearl stratus]

Florida has a not so great first week.

Gonna be interesting for em.

[torpid charm]

atleast he's still a part of the team

who do they play?

[pearl stratus]

NYXL and Philly.

[torpid charm]

OOP

[pearl stratus]

We do get NYXL v. London in the first week though.

And thats always a good game.

[torpid charm]

Philly has Boston and Florida for the first week, I'm excited

[tawny sigil]

blizzard world for first time on thursday

gotta be their worse map so far

[silk linden]

The title of Jake's interview looks iffy, but people say it was actually not a bad interview

I guess there's no other way to approach the subject for complete outsiders

[fallow raven]

Title is to grab all the old peoples attention

and young kids

[silk linden]

"viewbait"?

[torpid charm]

it wasn't that bad but like I expected it being from Megyn Kelly

[silk linden]

I mean fair of them to approach the subject at all. After all if you invite people in your studio it's usually not to berate them

[tawny sigil]

the parody that philly did with snillo walk in game was pretty funny

[silk linden]

It was also an impressively faithful recreation

Down to the gestures and the fake rain

Ok I read the interview and this is the best part:

"I bet you have some female fans..." Crowd laughter

Thanks Megyn, now a bunch of middle aged moms are horny for Jake

[hidden osprey]

"Mickie: Custa was leading the team and I have no idea why trade him"

[torpid charm]

Mickie is hurt

[hidden osprey]

of course he would be

Fuel are consistently fucking with the team with what looks like no communication between even themselves

and Kyky seems to think OGE is gonna be their shotcaller when he has yet to play a single game with them

not only that, he's banned for for the first what, 2-3 games?

[pearl stratus]

@silk linden It was an okay interview, better than I expected out of Megyn since she's literally a useless piece of shit. But it was mostly fluff questions.

Also Jake was nervous as fuck and just kept babbling on while Rawkus just sat there being quiet.

[torpid charm]

they were both hella nervous

[hollow current]

and are competing on who has the worst management in the league

Kappa

[hidden osprey]

JuSt TrUsT Me GuYS

[torpid charm]

[pearl stratus]

LAV goes to In and Out.

Dallas throws their players in and out.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/89fsj0/effect_stage_3_will_be_cancer_of_course_if_oge/

Effect has no fucks left to give.

Dallas has killed all his fucks.

Also throwing shade at the culture mishap, basically saying Dallas doesn't even try anymore and the korean culture would work if they didn't suck 😛

[limber pine]

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[twin dove]

i'd actually be interested to know how this compares to League of Legends starting up

or is it maybe because OWL launched at a time when media coverage is significantly higher that every small thing just kinda flings shit all over everything

[fallow raven]

In n out memes aside what does everyone think of LA Valiant and their roster changes

Do you see them getting better or worse this stage

[hollow current]

yoooooikes

thats what i think

why do they have bunny AND soon

lol

[fallow raven]

I think they tried hard to move soon with unkoe

[pearl stratus]

Because they want Soon to be able to Widow.

Without losing their Tracer.

[fallow raven]

And couldn't find a trade destination

That made sense

[pearl stratus]

Since Widow + Tracer is one of the best combinations right now.

Especially watching the S2 Finals.

With Libero + Saebyolbe.

[fallow raven]

That's Def not why they kept him

[pearl stratus]

Kariv is a decent Widow but he wants to be a support player, its what he signed on for.

[fallow raven]

There's more to it

[pearl stratus]

I doubt they'd actively want to get rid of their best player.

Getting rid of Unkoe is like getting rid of cancer.

You do it even if it makes oyu sick.

You just take the chemo.

[fallow raven]

It is known they were shopping to trade him

[pearl stratus]

No, its Slasher known. That still only sits at about 60% for me.

[fallow raven]

Fair enough

I can't argue with that

[pearl stratus]

The teams aren't smart enough to feed him false info yet.

And destroy his credibility.

They'll figure it out.

It's bad strategy to let him just keep leaking whatever. you have to force some false ones

[fallow raven]

That aside, I do believe they were looking to move Soon as well as Unkoe but just couldn't find a good deal

Soon is good but he's not Bunny level Tracer

And there are better widows

[hollow current]

watch them shit the bed in stage 3 and just go full korean

[fresh turret]

wait so fuel actually traded Custa?

[hollow current]

ya

for unkoe

[fresh turret]

yummy trades mmhmmm

[hollow current]

works for both teams if OGE can actually shotcall

if he can't then dallas is just fucked

[fresh turret]

I wouldn't say they are super duper far apart in terms of Zen skill but I'm p sure Custa is more flexible(?)

[hollow current]

custa isnt a zen player tho

[fresh turret]

or maybe he just flexes more due to team position

oh right

forgot about that chips stuff

[hollow current]

custa will play mercy lucio

so DF had a really awkward support combination

now they have a dedicated zen and im assuming harry will start playing more again

as lucio

[fresh turret]

Yeah, and they played SO MUCH MERCY like fuck

[hollow current]

yeh

[fresh turret]

this is your Mercy trigger

or what was it

Mercy finger

idk

Is OGE any good?

[hollow current]

apparently a mediocre main tank

no one really knows

not the best but not the worst

solid

[fresh turret]

alright

who'd be the worst main tank in OWL if you had to pick?

[hollow current]

i mean

taimou

though its not his fault

[fallow raven]

We need stats before I can fully say

[hollow current]

since he's not a main tank technically

[fallow raven]

The eye test is too biased

Without stats

Everything is just fluff

[fresh turret]

When the fuck do we get freely checkable stats?

sorry for hostility

or like

are there plans

[fallow raven]

Hopefully soon

[hollow current]

Soon™

[fresh turret]

announced plans?

[fallow raven]

Yes they want rhem ASAP

[fresh turret]

me too

[hollow current]

the owl was so rushed its sad

[fallow raven]

They are figuring out which stats to display apparently

It's greyed out On OWLsite

[hollow current]

just like display all of them

lel

[fresh turret]

oh right

[fallow raven]

Or which stats would be meaningful

I guess is a better way to put itb

[fresh turret]

Yeah I remember going on the stats page and being like oh hell yeah and then... nothing

[fallow raven]

I'm guessing we HAVE to have it active by stage 3

Any later would be a joke

[fresh turret]

yeah

[fallow raven]

It's halfway

[scarlet spear]

eh

i doubt it

[fallow raven]

Why

[scarlet spear]

the stats tab has been on the OWL page since it started and we got fuck all for it

[fresh turret]

Also the credits feel rushed (I can't get them, I'm salty)

[hollow current]

EVERYTHING is rushed

[scarlet spear]

why would it suddenly come out ? i've seen no info on it at all

[fallow raven]

Yes 2 stages is enough data to start

The time is right that's why

[scarlet spear]

1 game is enough data...

[fallow raven]

Any later would be too late

I guarantee it

Stats come out some time in stage 3

You heard it here first

[fresh turret]

LEAKED INFORMATION STATS TAB AVAILABLE NOW ON OWL WEBSITE?!?!?!?!?!? TOP 5 FORTNITE YOUTUBERS WHO HAVE SWORN

OW youtube is so shit

back to the topic at hand...

the credits

how can they be available in such a limited amount of places

[fallow raven]

I have all the info

Check it out fam

[fresh turret]

alright bro

hit me with the data

[fallow raven]

https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1200/1*m7DDAgx_a_f2IN_fJmtZFg.jpeg

[paper crag]

I wonder how much playtime akm will see tomorrow lol

Or the entire stage

[fresh turret]

oh you actually had some data

[paper crag]

He’s still dallas right?

I like how gesture and fragi basically make a big spitfire color scheme

[fallow raven]

FragHardt best Rein

[paper crag]

He aint no coward

You’re either a cowhardt or a rethardt

[fallow raven]

https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1500/1*XUJPYq6oFBt4touuf5iu8w.jpeg

Monkey is a mix

GESTURE putting up best performance on both monkey and rein

He's definitely one of the best main tanks without question

Best performance stats can be flawed though because it's also dependent on the opponents faced

If u look at opponent tab it's mostly the bottom tier teams being beat up on

[limber pine]

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[slim summit]

watching Megyn Kelly willingly

yikers

[torpid charm]

WOOOOOOOOOOW

[scarlet spear]

is that a picture

at in n out?

[torpid charm]

[slim summit]

The changes we've seen lately ... seem weird

how is LAV coming out ahead

Is Custa better than Unkoe?

[vestal mortar]

Custa would be playing Lucio on LAV, I think Unkoe would be flex support on Dallas so I am not sure how to compare them.

Custa is super vocal too and I think would be an important caller for LAV and Dallas seem to be heading more towards OGE as main caller in the future.

[magic zinc]

Mickie was really bummed out about Custa leaving rip

[vestal mortar]

Indeed. :C

[slim summit]

Part of me hopes Valiant does poorly this stage

[limber pine]

eh

i don't think I hope for any team to do poorly

it's just more obvious that some will

It's just weird to see them change so many things up

[fresh turret]

Fakkkkkkkkk I was hyped to stay up late and watch OWL and then I checked the schedules...

My internal clock is fucked apparently

[pearl stratus]

Out of all the changes I think LAV has the highest potential to do well, ironically.

Dallas I have no faith in.

@slim summit The Custa vs. Unkoe is a loaded question - in my opinion Unkoe is the more mechanically skilled player, but is also a giant piece of shit.

Whereas Custa is not as mechanically good, but communicates well and is likable making him easier to integrate into a team.

[slim summit]

hmmm

The trades are all pretty weird

[wet oyster]

i super don't understand cutting envy

[pearl stratus]

It has to be something internal.

It's the only thing that makes sense.

Hard to work with, management disputes, etc.

[wet oyster]

might as well try and get at least someone for him

[pearl stratus]

They did.

No one took the offer.

He got released.

Minus Dallas no one really needs an off-tank in the league right now.

[wet oyster]

oh

[pearl stratus]

Shanghai picked up Geguri, LAG has Bischu AND Void now, etc.

San Fran needs a main tank, not an off tank.

Silkthread to LAG is pretty huge too.

[molten skiff]

i dig silkthread to LAG

[pearl stratus]

He fits a nice Surefour / Hydration hybrid that they can utilize.

[wet oyster]

excluding pharah, he's a better hydration

[molten skiff]

gladiators are scary

[pearl stratus]

I wouldn't say hes a better Hydration.

I'd say he's more consistency.

When Hydration is on point Hydration is scary af.

But he will be the best Soldier they've got on the team.

And his Genji is not bad at all.

Which gives him a nice spot that fits their play style.

Because he covers both hitscan and projectile bases.

So he'll fit into their Mystery Heroes "WTF IS COMING AT US" plays.

[torpid charm]

http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/23017375/the-unavoidable-unstoppable-unfair-question-geguri-save-shanghai-dragons

[paper crag]

Looks like LAG is becoming the recylcler of solid but underused players

The team of scrappy rejects going against the teams that abandoned them

Thats some drama that could attract some fans lol

[slim summit]

Solid but underused is an apt descriptor for teams who are trading down (i.e. higher ranked like London to lower ranked like LAGLA)

but someone LAVAL is willing to part with to a higher ranked team

I'd be pretty worried

of course, the LAG staff know more than I do

I'm still worried

[paper crag]

Lol

By the way i saw that unkoe to dallas and custa to somewhere else?

Did the whole unkoe+soon to dallas thing actually happen?

And effect to seoul thing?

Or is it just unkoe to dallas

[jovial jewel]

OWL BACK TOMORROW BABY

NEW PEOPLE FOR SHANGHAI

[paper crag]

Nvm just checked website

Gambler is new to seoul right? Or has he always been there?

[scarlet spear]

kinda newish i guess

hasnt played yet, mid season signing

not really news

[paper crag]

Oh has he been there before bunny left

[scarlet spear]

yea

[paper crag]

Oh okay that’s why seoul only has 11

I thought bunny left and gambler joined, which confused me because that should still make them 12

[torpid charm]

nah Gambler was announced a minute ago

minute meaning awhile ago, excuse my slang

[paper crag]

Shanghai suddenly huge roster lol

[torpid charm]

but Architect is in the US now

[paper crag]

Well they did have the two koreans already in stage 2 but still

I forget if architect was fusion or sfs

I think he was an orange team

[torpid charm]

SF

Fusion has full 12 already

[paper crag]

Lol the orange teams all fly under my radar for some reason

[torpid charm]

just remember that Fusion is the better orange

[paper crag]

Yeah lol

But it’s owned by comcast

Blegh

So sfs finally gets a korean korean huh

It’s like korean koreans are a commodity in this scene lol

Yo we got a full korean squad. Come at me bro

We finally have more than one koreans

Yooooo we got a korean tank duo!

Etc

Huh shd doesn’t have anyone registered as flex lol

[torpid charm]

I know comcast is shit but still

[paper crag]

Not that it matters

So many teams have 11 players

Just one short from being able to scrim internally

screams internally

Only fusion and outlaws have 12 i think?

[torpid charm]

uuuuuuuh

I think?

in a way, you can say Fusion only have 11 since Sado can't play on stage but he can still practice with them

so it's like a smooth 11 and a half

[paper crag]

Lol

I guess

Architect and sayaplayer are supposed t be pretty good tracers

Are there any other notable tracers new to the league? I feel like there was a big influx

But those two are the only ones i can think of at the top of my head

[torpid charm]

besides Snillo if he counts then no, I don't think so

[slim summit]

sinatraa

is supposed to be a good tracer

[torpid charm]

[pearl stratus]

@paper crag Gambler was announced like three four weeks ago. They want to never have one of their supports on Mercy again, so they got a Mercy. Since RHJ and Tobi are both bad at her.

[sullen berry]

https://twitter.com/LAGladiators/status/981245052994306048

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OUR NEW GLADIATOR HAS ARRIVED.

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[limber pine]

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[tawny sigil]

When is preview

[cerulean plume]

If i recall correctly they post it really late like 10 or 12 est

[jagged crater]

Silkthread might get playtime?

Lots of overlapping hero pools

But silkthread might be dedicated to certain maps

[warped axle]

But but but

SHD Silkthread

[hidden vault]

Why SHD silkthread? @warped axle

[ember jewel]

Silkthread will be good on Gladiators

He can play a very good Genji and some hitscan too

Will bring some more versatility

VOID is the real hire for GLA tho

[brisk roost]

Was Silkthread supposed to join SHD?

[limber pine]

No

[brisk roost]

Lol

I wonder why that dude said SHD then

Either way can't wait for the first match tomorrow lmao

[grizzled trout]

Guess that 12th spot ain't gettin filled

[high tiger]

yo

when does overwatch league start again?

[hidden vault]

@ember jewel why is void the real hire? They have fissure?

[torpid charm]

he's off tank

[hidden vault]

They have bischu too

[brisk roost]

@high tiger Tomorrow

[torpid charm]

yeah they can swap between Bischu and Void

[high tiger]

oh shit

[brisk roost]

I'll be def watching the first match

[tawny sigil]

SCARCE OVERRATED DRAMA ALERT OUT DATED LONG HAVE WE WAITED KINGmykL ACTIVATED

[ember jewel]

@hidden vault Watch the APEX S3 Finals, that question will be answered 😄

[hidden osprey]

are Fuel playing Dragons in stage 3?

[torpid charm]

yes

[hidden osprey]

can't wait to see them get their first win 😄

[torpid charm]

isn't it the first game for tomorrow? I forget the schedule

[hidden osprey]

same

that's why I asked xd

[torpid charm]

let's go dragons

[hidden osprey]

I'm a Fuel fan but I'm done with Fuel's management

[torpid charm]

become a Philly fan

[hidden osprey]

hope Effect/Seagull find a better team in the future, they're so deserving of it

poor gull always gets unlucky

[ember jewel]

My only question is who on Dallas' administration is on crystal meth

Because no sober person does this many bad decisions is such a small window of time

[vestal umbra]

Everyone's blaming it on Kyky but he alone couldn't have made that many terrible decisions without anyone trying to stop him

[hidden osprey]

that's the thing

and from the latest on the watch video, he comes off as all "oh trust me guys, I know what I'm doing"

It makes zero fucking sense

maybe when they start losing sponsors they might wake up

[ember jewel]

Hastr0 must have a deep personal bond with Kyky for him to still have a job

I'm talkin "He helped me hide a body once" deep

[hidden osprey]

I wonder who else is on Fuel's management?

there must be more people surely

[ember jewel]

The hierarchy have Kyky on second higher

So the only person with veto power is Hastr0

[hidden osprey]

don't most teams have assistant coaches and the like?

[brisk roost]

Lol lets go Dragons!

First win yoo

[lucid skiff]

How much of a boost u guys thing geguri will be to dragons?

[vestal umbra]

Is that Kungarna's coach MyKl?

[ember jewel]

@hidden osprey yeah, but I don't think they're having a lot of voice with a nutso as head coach

[hidden osprey]

hmm, I hope leakboy has some juicy leaks for us soon

something stinks about Fuel, and its not good at all

"Dallas is like the Mclaren F1 team of the Overwatch League"

hahaha this comment is gold

[slim summit]

lol

[brisk roost]

Yo I sense something

[slim summit]

original version of blizzard world

[brisk roost]

People are shipping xQc to Alinity lol

[slim summit]

not the changed one

smfh

[hidden osprey]

isn't she thirsty for his viewers or soemthing

[brisk roost]

Idk

I barely watch their streams so I dunno what's happening to the two

I mean I watch xQc sometimes but I don't stay there for long

Since he streams for 9 hours lol

[hidden vault]

Is slikthread the last signage?

[torpid charm]

uuuuuh I think they're going by PST so they've got a few more hours

it's late though so I have a feeling that that's it

[final river]

im ready for owl's return

[torpid charm]

same

[final river]

Interested in seeing the teams with switched up players and the new shanghai players

[warm heart]

dallas fuel vs shanghai dragons, who will win?

[torpid charm]

[hidden vault]

Dallas pls

[warm heart]

1 vote each haha

i used to be dallas fans, i mean envyus.. but seeing the members and drama recently... i hope dragons can win

[torpid charm]

so uuuuh, Seoul coming in 5th for stage 3 standings?

[hidden vault]

I hope not yung rae

But I do hope shanghai to win too since U4 and undead is out

But I'm not sure what the remaining players have ties to the scandal

[final river]

Someone is gonna cash in big on the fantasy owl when shanghai finally win

[torpid charm]

deadass

[rapid oxide]

Who's gonna win is who will make less mistakes, not who's better

[onyx shore]

do you guys think shanghai will win tomorrow?

[gusty cipher]

vs who again?

[deft valley]

dallas

[gusty cipher]

shd just for the memes

a 4:0 for shd would be the dream

[warm heart]

will seagull be playing tmr (vs shd)?

[broken fog]

kox for seoul?

interesting

[balmy bison]

is there going to be a rebroadcast for stage 3?

I couldn't bring myself being up the entire night 😦

nvm just realized

[scarlet spear]

there's always a rebroadcast

[balmy bison]

it's tonight

[scarlet spear]

but the game didnt start yet

yup

[balmy bison]

not last night

heh

[hidden vault]

anyone got the info that Seoul Dynasty got a new support?

[red anvil]

its leaked, not confirmed

and it's creating a havoc in the korean community

[hidden vault]

and why is it creating a havoc?

[naive dawn]

isnt gambler the new support

[onyx shore]

isn't it gambler?

ah,it's kox

[hidden vault]

why get kox when they have ryujehong?

wait actually make sense

he could sub for Jehong's Ana

but you have Gido in a weird position

[silk linden]

The Stage 3 trash talk thread on r/Cow is predictably mostly about

[hidden vault]

but I suppose now Gido can dps so may be a good thing?

[deft valley]

i mean

they're a hyped team

that underperformed

and also bear the name "dallas"

why wouldn't it be about them

[silk linden]

Some good banter in there too

"YOU KNOW YOUR TEAM IS SHIT WHEN YOUR FANS WONDER IF IT CAN BEAT A 0-20 TEAM
YOU KNOW YOUR TEAM IS SHIT WHEN TAKING A DUMP HAS MORE IN GAME SUCCESS THAN YOUR CURRENT COACHING
YOU KNOW YOUR TEAM IS SHIT WHEN YOU REALIZE THE XQC PERIOD WAS THE GOLDEN ERA
YOU KNOW YOUR TEAM IS SHIT WHEN YOU ACQUIRE WORLDCLASS TALENT AND YOUR COACH CALLS HIM A "KNOWITALL PUSHY LITTLE SHIT"
YOU KNOW YOUR TEAM IS SHIT WHEN IT TRADES AWAY YOUR ONLY SHOTCALLER, BEST LOOKING GUY, WELL PERFORMING, AND LONE GUY TO HAVE HIS SHIT TOGETHER, TO ACQUIRE PISSY NUTCASE BAGUETTE
YOU KNOW YOUR TEAM IS DALLAS FUEL"

All of these are 100% indisputable

"OGE WILL GET BANNED AND FINED FOR BOOSTING AGAIN IF DALLAS WINS A SINGLE GAME THIS STAGE"

[deft valley]

best one there straight up

[torpid charm]

tbt when going into the league, everyone thought Dallas was gonna be one of the best teams in the league. now everyone is like "an 0-20 team? hmmmm, not sure if they can actually pull off a win."

[silk linden]

Dallas is one of the best "bunch of players" in the league

Team, not so much

[torpid charm]

SF has both of their new people so I wonder how they'll do tonight

[silk linden]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/89m38h/the_stage_three_map_pool_will_be_using_the

[torpid charm]

me @ Blizzard World, especially OG Blizzard World

[magic zinc]

Horizon Lunar Colony, Blizzard World and Junkertown can all be in the same set right?

Big oof

[silk linden]

Horizon isn't in the pool this stage I think

[magic zinc]

Right its Anubis and Volskaya

Anubis is still pretty bad, idk if the Sombra change is gonna make it better or even worse

[torpid charm]

Anubis is a mess cause ya know, 2CP , but I love it.

[silk linden]

There are worse maps

It's like, the second least bad 2cp map

[deft valley]

horizon best map fite me

[torpid charm]

I love Horizon visually but holy hell, that map stresses me out so badly

[limber pine]

I like 2CP in OWL, just because it requires a different strategy than Hybrid/Escort

[red anvil]

2CP is honestly the best gamemode in OWL

[silk linden]

Debatable

The trickle stalls are a pain

[red anvil]

also Also this https://twitter.com/Slasher/status/981513750967738376?s=19

Rod Breslau (@Slasher)

Gods will not join the Dallas Fuel, sources said. Unclear on Fuel's final moves at the deadline, but the team may have pursued a Korean offtank to be announced at a later date.

Twitter

[limber pine]

i don't even know what Dallas's starting lineup looks like these days

[forest raven]

I don't think Dallas knows

[limber pine]

Harry, unkoe, Effect, rascal, cocco, mickie?

[red anvil]

This week: Micke Seagull Effect Rascal Harry Unkoe

Next Week: OGE Micke effect Rascal harry Unkoe

[scarlet spear]

Rascal MT Harrryhook OT Cocco Genji Chips Tracer Taimou Mercy and effect on Symmetra

calling it

maybe seagull on tracer

[red anvil]

They might sub in chips at places for Harry, and AKM very occasionally for Rascal

idk where you would play AKM over rascal tho

[scarlet spear]

jokes aside im thinking the same lineup as kaku

altho i hope they give the gull more time on d.va or any other hero

he has always performed, really curious why hes permabenched

[pearl stratus]

AKM could be useful if he's grinded out a larger hero pool.

But beyond that he's less useful than the stuff I left in the toilet this morning.

[red anvil]

AKM have never shown the ability to extend his hero pool unfortuantly

[pearl stratus]

I have to admit I didn't think OWL would be so punishing on off-DPS lack of hero pool. It's an interesting turn of events.

Also if people didn't peep on Grimrealities stream he talked about the coaching thing.

And it really looks like a good fit for him versus mentally where he was at.

[red anvil]

Someone did a sum up here https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/89mhyi/grimreality_is_currently_talking_about_his/dwrzwov/

[pearl stratus]

He spent a good amount of time throwing shade at Unkoe in a very passive way too.

[red anvil]

Did he? ouchie

[pearl stratus]

Basically talked about Bunny is a huge motivator so far, and how great Custa is because he's really upbeat and wants everyone to win and its a nice change.

[red anvil]

Well Bunny is no surprise, i said the exact same thing about him when i first heard he joined Valient

[scarlet spear]

meanwhile fuel turns into an even deeper toxic saltmine

[red anvil]

I compared him to Kariv, and seems Grim agrees with me

[pearl stratus]

I honestly, and this is a weird thing to say, think that Bunny could very easily end up better than Soon.

Bunny has always been a high impact player, and I'm surprised they [Seoul] played Munchkin over him. He's always been crazy fun to watch in tournaments.

[red anvil]

Not impossible no, i had some thoughts on it earlier this morning, i actually think soon can transition into a flex dps.

[pearl stratus]

Well with Kariv going back to full time support which he wanted to.

Soon on a Flex gives them a more accessible Widow without losing their Tracer.

Shanghai's new player introductions are kind of adorbs.

[limber pine]

aye

i hope they can turn things around this stage

[pearl stratus]

No Diya tonight feels bad.

Though thinking about a Fearless/Geguri/MG(Hog) triple tank is kind of exciting.

[limber pine]

they have looked their best in triple tank

[pearl stratus]

I think they'll do fine in a 2:2:2 once they actually have Diya back.

[hidden vault]

MG isn't reliable in hog tho

[pearl stratus]

On hog?

MG literally fucked over Seoul on Hog.

His Hog is insane.

[hidden vault]

really?

[pearl stratus]

Yeah, lol

They full held Seoul on KR Point A.

[warped axle]

• Seoul B team

[hidden vault]

but still lost?

[pearl stratus]

Seoul's B team would still a top 6 team for the OWL at this point though.

They didn't lose KR, they won the map. They lost on maps they didn't play Tri-tank.

He ended up with something like 78% Hook Accuracy on KR. It was kind of bananas.

[silk linden]

I'll be surprised if they start Cocco-Mickie over Mickie-Seagull

[red anvil]

They are just denying the existence of Cocco

its so weird

[silk linden]

Kyky did imply they weren't gonna use Cocco anymore, yet they were trying to sell Seagull this week

[red anvil]

well they dont need seagull past this week

[silk linden]

Yes, but there's still this week

[red anvil]

this week if they had to they probably would run timo micke

if they maanged to sell seagull

[silk linden]

But Taimou said he wasn't playing tank anymore

[red anvil]

he would if he needed

[silk linden]

Shit I just realized we're talking about

What's even the point of speculating

It's just a random mess

[red anvil]

[pearl stratus]

It's strategy.

If you don't even know what you're doing your enemy will never be able to counter you.

[limber pine]

[silk linden]

Almost worked against

[limber pine]

Isn't the predictability what gets in trouble? I think I heard some team say that Seoul is too predictable.

[torpid charm]

MG isn't reliable on Hog sounds fake

Seoul is pretty predictable imo, I feel like that's why they've been losing games that they should be winning.

[pearl stratus]

I think its actually more on Munchkin why they've been losing.

Not that Munchkin is bad.

But like... there's Fleta, right?

[torpid charm]

they using play their A or B roster, get flustered, then can't adapt to their strategies getting shut that cause that's what really all they know what to do

ya

[pearl stratus]

And its now pretty well known if you shut down Fleta, you shut down Seoul.

Because Munchkin while consistent rarely goes so crazy he can carry a push.

Libero has that Fletaesque hero pool and burden but his Tracer is SBB.

Dreamkazper has Striker.

Eqo has Carpe.

[torpid charm]

kinda like how Shanghai had to play around Undead, they're playing around Fleta

exactly, I feel that they think that low-key Fleta can do all that work alone, so when boul gets shut down, they're like . but that's just how I see it

[pearl stratus]

Just watched the little short of Boombox and Shadowburn playing around in crazy expensive cars at the race track

And Shadowburn still doesn't smile.

[ruby pendant]

lol

[pearl stratus]

He's literally sitting in a car with a professional driver going crazy around a track.

Shadowburn: (._.)

"This was fun."

He needs to have a smile putin his life.

[fallow raven]

Stage 3 Boston pushes into the top tier?

[pearl stratus]

With how they were playing at the end of the last stage I think its a possibility.

Their weakest link, if you can call it that, right now is Note just in terms of his overall effectiveness.

But Kazper + Striker have a pretty insane cohesion lately, I think partly due to Kazper really putting himself out there and learning quite a bit of Korean.

So he's meeting them half way.

[fallow raven]

What are you basing that off of?

[pearl stratus]

Just in comparison to other effective off-tanks in the league. He's by no means bad, and I'm not trying to say he's bad.

[fallow raven]

I'd like to see the numbers on that one

Pretty sure he played like a top tier dva

[limber pine]

they're gonna have to jump some combination of

I think they'll end up 5th

1 short

[fallow raven]

It all comes down to Boston vs Philly week 1

If they win that it opens up a new world of opportunity

I'm a Philly and Boston fan so I wouldn't mind it going either way

[pearl stratus]

I suppose it also depends on how the Eqo punishment goes, because they could catch a break if Philly decides to bench him for the week.

I doubt they will.

[fallow raven]

Yeah same unless it's a formal suspension

Would also love to see shadowburn play

[pearl stratus]

I doubt there will be a formal suspension, doesn't seem warranted on a first offense.

I'm honestly just expected a $1000 fine

[fallow raven]

I think it's all a little exaggerated but could also understand if fined

[silk linden]

one of these won't make season end playoffs i think

are guaranteed

are very likely imo

[pearl stratus]

Also as for the Note thing it all depends - if you're going by Winstonlab scores (which have their own issues) he's mid-bottom in terms of raw score.

[silk linden]

To be fair have a bit of ground to recover

[pearl stratus]

Of any logistal play time (basically discounting situations like Eqo D'va, or random rotations) the highest WL Score is Fury at 1161.

[silk linden]

WL must be taken with the biggest grain of salt

[pearl stratus]

Note in comparison sits at 897.

Oh I agree entirely.

Boston had a shaky start to Stage 2 so his Win Rate % is tanked already because of that.

I'm not saying Note is bad, I think overall he's really solid. But in terms of their line up the tank/off tank dynamic is their best spot for growth basically.

[solid spear]

[limber pine]

Boston has historically beaten the teams they should beat and lost to the teams they should lose to

[pearl stratus]

This meta is defined really by the tank and support strength of teams, the DPS are flashy and get our attention

But its really clear that you can have okay dps if you have great tanks/support.

[scarlet spear]

or you're NYXL and have great everything

[pearl stratus]

London too, arguably.

I think if London could adjust their tempo to a slightly faster/aggressive style they could unseat NYXL.

[scarlet spear]

yeah

the only thing where nyxl probably outshines london atm is coaching imo

on an individual player lvl they're definitely on par

[pearl stratus]

I would argue that as a duo I think that Birdring/Profit have the potential to be better than SBB/Libero - but not by much

[silk linden]

Libero has a bigger hero pool, though BR and profit are better technically

[pearl stratus]

I just wish Diya was back tonight.

Makes the shanghai dallas match a little more bleh that he's not.

[silk linden]

Well miss Oge

So they might idk, have Kyky on main tank

[torpid charm]

back in stage 3 finals, just wait on it

I'm so sad Diya isn't back yet

[hidden vault]

Honestly I think Diya Roshan is a ood pair

Diya Xushu is good too

if Pharah is useable

[summer tangle]

Hey guys wanna hear a joke?

shanghai dragons

[hidden osprey]

Kyky on main tank

Lmao

Dragons are actually improving though

[pearl stratus]

Outdated Joke.

[hidden osprey]

Fuel are getting worse and worse

[pearl stratus]

Current Joke is the Fuel.

[hidden osprey]

so that's the joke

[pearl stratus]

Anyone who has, or will, play for Dallas.

[hidden osprey]

Or even being associated with Dallas at this point

[pearl stratus]

Custa was given a sock

[scarlet spear]

watch them play 5d strats tonight with effect on symmetra

[pearl stratus]

So Custa is a free elf.

[scarlet spear]

and then totally feed

[pearl stratus]

Did you see Effect on Stream?

[hidden osprey]

Taimou will be back on main tank

[pearl stratus]

I'm waiting for Effect to just go to Korea and cosplay with his girlfriend

And never come back.

[scarlet spear]

nah they'll play mickie with seagull again till OGE is back

[hidden osprey]

Did anyone see this clip? https://clips.twitch.tv/HelplessBlueButterflyStoneLightning

[scarlet spear]

or guess not back

[hidden osprey]

"I had no idea what I was doing" -Seagull

[scarlet spear]

yeah

[silk linden]

Yes, it's what I was referring to

[pearl stratus]

It's been explained before though.

One person not knowing what they're doing is a disaster.

Two people not knowing what they're doing is a strategy.

[hidden osprey]

strats so advanced, 9000IQ that even the team doesn't know what they're doing

[silk linden]

They literally did almost beat by confusing themselves and therefore confusing them

[scarlet spear]

one of the reasons xqc got suspended again

[pearl stratus]

😛

[hidden osprey]

as an ex-pro player once said, you can be either be retarded, or be retarded as a duo

[pearl stratus]

That's been said from way before xQc though

[hidden osprey]

[pearl stratus]

xQc just said it in a stupid way.

In his own little Down Syndrome design.

[hidden osprey]

xQc is intelligent, but he never went to school, so he doesn't know how to express himself properly

[silk linden]

xQc is high gaming IQ with the verbal coordination of a grade schooler on a sugar high

[pearl stratus]

Please see:

https://i.imgur.com/jiPW9Yd.jpg

[hidden osprey]

I mean if you're sat in your room streaming all day with no human interaction besides Twitch chat...

[pearl stratus]

Dallas fuel just embraces american ingenuity.

[silk linden]

Gotta give it to them, they will follow through on their convictions of playing like shit

[keen warren]

Can't counter strat if you don't have one to begin with

[pearl stratus]

I mean its like LAG.

But LAG doesn't fail at it.

Their mystery heroes strat actually works.

Because no one expects Hydralucio.

[silk linden]

Also we don't use team names anymore, you gotta use and and such

New rule

[pearl stratus]

💩 should be used in place of

[keen warren]

Is best

[fallow raven]

And until Toronto gets a team

[limber pine]

I thought Toronto's not getting a team

that's why Toronto Esports is Boston's OWC team

[fallow raven]

Where did you hear that lol

[limpid estuary]

Question, what time is OWL

[fallow raven]

Toronto Esports is an org, they were gonna be a team but didn't make it for season 1, but that doesn't rule out Toronto as a city

[limber pine]

OWL is in 6 hours Jew

DC I don't know where I read it

I"m trying to find it

[limpid estuary]

Also I doubt Toronto will get a team. Aside from Raiders being a bar and not some major establishment like NRG or Kraft, there's prolly not anyone else in the city willing to dump $ 20million

[pearl stratus]

It's not $20 anymore.

[fallow raven]

That's insanely naive lol

[pearl stratus]

That was Season 1 pricing.

[fallow raven]

The money doesn't come from the city's pocket

[limpid estuary]

I didn't say it does

[pearl stratus]

Estimates right now put franchise pricing in at $35million+.

[fallow raven]

You realize a person doesn't dump 20 mill right it's based on sponsors

[pearl stratus]

No confirmed amount, just confirmed that it went up.

[limpid estuary]

I said there's probably no one else willing to buy in. I meant people like HBC or RBC

[fallow raven]

Yeah for season 1 no one bought in

That doesn't mean the 4th largest city in NA won't have a team in the future

[pearl stratus]

The biggest issue is the longer they wait the less likely it becomes.

Because the price just continues to increase.

It'll plateau eventually.

[fallow raven]

There will be plenty of expansion teams next year

[pearl stratus]

Yeah I'm just saying it, theoretically, doubled for Season 2.

And will probably increase again for Season 3.

I don't expect it to plateau for a little bit.

[fallow raven]

Yeah I don't think you know what you're saying though lol

[pearl stratus]

Well if there's hesitation of sponsorship at a 20/35 million price point.

It makes it harder if it hits 60 million.

[limpid estuary]

Okay, instead of saying I don't think any org in Toronto will want to buy in

What Org do you think will?

[hidden vault]

it's called a non dominant strategy

[limber pine]

i read a long time ago Na'Vi was interested

[fallow raven]

The organization doesn't have to bb from Toronto where is this misconception coming from

[limpid estuary]

Toronto ESports probably doesn't even have $20 million to spare

Let some more

[fallow raven]

And it doesn't have to be Toronto exports

Esports*

[pearl stratus]

I admit it

It'd be hilarious as fuck if Toronto E-sports didn't have the Toronto OWL team.

[hidden vault]

dominant strategy > non dominant strategy > counter strategy > dominant strategy

[limber pine]

but logistically

why would an org choose Toronto over any other city

[limpid estuary]

Unless they were from Toronto, ^

[limber pine]

at this point, i think all the major esports orgs in OW are accounted for. You'd need local backing (like a baseball team)

or hockey/football/whatever

[limpid estuary]

There's the Leafs

But

[fallow raven]

😂

[limpid estuary]

THey are notable for having fans travel all across the states to watch games

Instead of watching them in Toronto

Because its cheaper to travel than to watch at the ACC

I dont know how funding works for sports teams

If they get a bigger cut from home games, or what

[fallow raven]

That's not accurate

I'm a huge leafs fan lol

[limpid estuary]

Then you should know that whenever you watch a game, home or away, the crowd will be loaded with Leafs fans

As opposed to any other away team

[fallow raven]

Yes but not because it's cheaper to travel to the states than watch a home game

[limpid estuary]

That being said... Leafs own both them and the Raptors

Rogers owns the Bluejays

Oh so they do

Why isnt Blue Jays part of that umbrella

[fallow raven]

Sorry I mean

[limpid estuary]

Okay, Rogers owns all Toronto sports teams.

They are a majority shareholder in MLSE

And own the Blue Jays

[fallow raven]

No no you were right, I meant to say

Something else

It's my fking phone crashing discord all the time

[limpid estuary]

So if anyone joins, itll be Rogers.

Making the Toronto Bad-ISPs

Team loses by default for playing on Roger's Internet

[fallow raven]

The money could come from a series of investors though too

High profile celebrity buying in

[limpid estuary]

I forget, does Drake play Overwatch, or was that a different celebrity

[fallow raven]

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of drake getting involved

[pearl stratus]

Drake played Fortnite with Ninja.

[fallow raven]

He plays fortnute but as a business man I'm sure he understands the future of esports and the OWL

[pearl stratus]

There are some celebrities that play OW though.

WWE was rumored to be interested in picking up a team too.

[fallow raven]

The possibilities are endless, I'm not saying Toronto will get a team for sure, but I also don't see their chances being any lower than most other NA cities

And yes it all comes down to $$/

[magic zinc]

Elon Musk plays Overwatch

[fallow raven]

I know Jeff wants to expand to Canada

[magic zinc]

Soldier main iirc

[scarlet spear]

not winston? disappointed

[brisk roost]

Im down if WWE picks an OWL team

[scarlet spear]

inb4 elon musk is actually a toxic torb onetrick

[brisk roost]

I mean Xavier Woods play OW

TJP too

[magic zinc]

"DM me ur paypal" - Elon Musk, probably

[brisk roost]

Lmfao

If anything either Toronto or Vancouver getting an OWL team so

[pearl stratus]

Dude.

I'd play on a Tesla Team.

[fallow raven]

Montreal is a possibility too

[brisk roost]

Thats lit yo

[pearl stratus]

I heard that Quebec had a team.

The Quebecoise Shitfuckculture.

[scarlet spear]

fuck NA teams

[brisk roost]

Lmfao

Hahaha

[pearl stratus]

With their sister team: Quebecoise Wemakefrancelookgood

[scarlet spear]

give me EU

[fallow raven]

There will definitely be EU expansion

[pearl stratus]

Blizzard said they were focusing on EU and Asia

Thats where they want more expansions to come from.

[fallow raven]

For sure

Another Korea team at least

[pearl stratus]

I'm surprised there hasn't been something out of Germany.

Their telecoms/investors are usually pretty quick on this stuff.

[torpid charm]

[pearl stratus]

Also German teams have some badass names depending.

[fallow raven]

Deals already have to be in talks for next season I wonder when they are able to announce expansions though, or if they are waiting to do it all at once

[pearl stratus]

The Blitzkrieg would be a bad ass af team name.

[magic zinc]

Idk about an EU Expansion if it comes to viewer engagement

[fallow raven]

No its happening for sure

[magic zinc]

Watch times are still atrocious

[fallow raven]

EU expansion

[pearl stratus]

I don't think they care about viewer engagement in terms of why they want EU teams.

[magic zinc]

Why would an EU org buy into it

[pearl stratus]

They want more locations for when the seasons become global.

[limpid estuary]

1 thing is

If a EU team buys in

[pearl stratus]

You won't ever go to London if its just London Spitfire.

[limpid estuary]

THen they can have games of EU vs EU in EU at EU times

[pearl stratus]

You want a hub of teams.

[fallow raven]

The goal of the OWL is to be regional in the future BTW

This is only szn 1

[limpid estuary]

Same with Asia

More Asian teams