Really.
#esports-discussion
torpid charm
I'm just ready for him to get the punishment so it can be done, well not done but solved
it was just a really ignorant thing to do
torpid charm
Tucker said that they're working on what to do atm
hidden vault
Lmao imagine Fleta Saebyeolbe Mano zunba ryujehong and JJoNak on one team
f op shit
pearl stratus
libero has been playing better than Fleta lately, because teams focus on Fleta and Munchkin doesn't create the distraction that Saebyolbe does.
So I'd replace him with Libero.
pearl stratus
Honestly my guess for Koreas WC team is going to be Mano/Meko, SBB/Profit, JJonak/RHJ, though I could see Ark replacing RHJ.
hidden vault
best korean flex probably
pearl stratus
Zunba is great, but Zarya is still limited and Meko is a better D'va.
limber pine
profit best korean BBQ
hidden vault
but I would certainly like to see rhj and JJonak though
best ana and zen playing together
pearl stratus
Profits Genji is relatively insane, as is most of his general projectiles.
I'd normally say Birdring, but Birdring is more the Tracer/Widow role.
Though he is the only Widow in the league to consistently shut down Linkzr.
pearl stratus
Linkzr's not the best Widow, he's the best Widow v Widow. Which is a weird distinction to make.
Moon got rid of the sister team and told everyone they were stupid.
Basically.
Also if anyone missed it the complete hilarious disrespect between NYXL and Mayhems Contenders team the other day was great.
XL2 ran an Attack Torb.
hidden vault
so was it a good idea to get rid of their sister team? ๐ค
that was pure insult lol
torpid charm
SBB #1 married man
indigo barn
Sbb only married man
grizzled trout
I mean if Seoul keeps it's spot in the pacific they get a first round bye
naive dawn
i find it so funny when people use slasher tweets as factual evidance
scarlet spear
korean WC team will 100% run flower again
i'd guess dps will be SBB with flow3r again
vestal mortar
Has Fl0w3r been destroying in contenders? I haven't been watching recently.
pearl stratus
Not destroying, he's been doing good though.
Also Stage Finals got changed again.
4 teams now, like people were theorizing.
Number 1 pick gets to pick their opponent though.
So say it had been NYXL/London/Philly/LAG.
NYXL could have picked who they played first, and pit the other two against each other.
Extra level of strategy, fun fun.
fallow raven
Toronto Esports best contenders team
pearl stratus
But not for Toronto ESports.
fallow raven
We're #1 doesn't matter
pearl stratus
I think for the good of the league when NYXL gets Flow3r they should be forced to trade Libero.
So I can still see him play a lot.
fallow raven
It is strange to see potentially all star level talent on the bench in certain situations rather than trading them
But I assume when more teams are added the situation will get better
pearl stratus
It's a weird thing because you wouldn't necessarily want another fissure situation.
Trade an amazing player and have it almost bite you in the ass.
So do you keep it on your bench or let it be free?
fallow raven
You don't typically see that in real sports (letting a star ride the bench because of a veteranholding their position) usually (at least in mlb) you trade either the veteran or the asset for more value
pearl stratus
Yeah but looking at NYXL's roster who could they get to rival liberos value.
fallow raven
Yeah that's why OW is weird obviously since it's not physical and you may never need a bench/subs
And 6 player teams
It's definitely different than what I'm used to
pearl stratus
I personally, having watched more of their insider videos, like the way Houston manages their bench (in most situations)
They use their bench like extra specialized analysts.
fallow raven
For example, xqc was highly touted as one of the best NA main tanks, personality issues aside, in any other major sport, would you let a potential all star go because of a few mishaps?
would Cleveland release LeBron James if he said something racist?
pearl stratus
So Tanks will coach Tanks, etc.
Arguable, its happened before.
Adrian Peterson being the weird outlier.
Granted that was charges of child abuse.
fallow raven
But another team scooped them up instantly
pearl stratus
But the team lost 7 sponsors in under four days.
fallow raven
*would scoop them up
pearl stratus
So it became more of a monetary thing and isn't directly compareable.
fallow raven
Yeah but I see the argument, and I'm sure some teams have reached out to xqc
Even if not OWL teams
pearl stratus
I mean xQc is free to go to another team, and one of them could pick him up.
I really doubt Blizzard would care.
Also his contract would be cheaper now, theoretically.
fallow raven
What's strange is, if he really is that amazing of a main tank, wouldn't teams be fighting over him right now?
Or are his tank skills over rated
pearl stratus
Yes and no.
I made the moneyball argument earlier, that sometimes its not necessarily having the best talent.
It's about having the right talent that can work together.
And he's somewhat proven he's volatile and not the best in working with others.
fallow raven
Hmm
pearl stratus
It's one of the only things I agree with Flame on.
Normally I think he's a moron.
But during his interview he explained that OW isn't always about just putting out the best players all the time. Because Player A may only be a great player when he's playing with Player B, or Player C has insane communication skills but Player D is a very mechanical player.
So you have to make your team compromised of the people who make the strongest team, not 6 individuals play well.
fallow raven
That makes sense yeah
pearl stratus
Which I think is really obvious if you look at Dallas.
Who, on paper, have an insanely talented roster.
But they're about as cohesive as oil and water.
fallow raven
I definitely see why he wasn't the right fit for Dallas at the time
pearl stratus
What's funny is that was in relation to the "Houston needs a Tracer" argument
And I think if he'd explained it like that on Twitter.
He would have gotten little/no backlash.
fallow raven
What I'm most intersted in right now is stats page on OWL website so I can actually quantify some of these assessments
pearl stratus
I want the stats page because I think it'll blow out a lot of preconceived notions about what always constitutes good.
Both for good and bad.
fallow raven
Yes exactly
pearl stratus
Like I'm willing to bet in most NYXL games SBB is nowhere near the top of damage.
fallow raven
Right now everyone is judging everything based on an "eye test"
And what the camera can provide
pearl stratus
But he's effective, and does his job properly in finishing off low targets and supports.
He doesn't need to fish out a ton of damage and get a gold medal.
He applies his damage properly
fallow raven
They should use that info to adjust medals in game
pearl stratus
It's hard to though, because its all so situational.
fallow raven
Or at least more peopl should understand how trash damage works
pearl stratus
Sometimes being a clockwork and demeching is useful, at which point you have your inflated damage.
I personally think they should just remove medals.
fallow raven
Same what's wrong with MOBA score cards?
Why shouldn't we be able to call someone out for doing literally nothing?
Can't be any more toxic than what we have currently
pearl stratus
The only thing I ever really care about is my K:D, because if I'm sitting at 1:1 I'm not really being effective and just trading.
fallow raven
Meme aside KD is the most relevant stat
Not to say every hero should have a similar ratio, but it is definitely the most viable in comparison to the average of that same hero on that map
pearl stratus
I'm trying to improve my Widow so medals are actually bad for me.
If I end up with silver/gold damage it means I've been body shotting tanks too much.
But that being tangentially aside I do want the stats page for OWL. Winstonslab only goes so far.
tepid echo
So we have Shanghai dragons vs Dallas. Is this a sign Shanghai's time?
indigo barn
Dang first game of stage 3 this Wednesday already
silk linden
https://twitter.com/jakeow/status/980868627028066305
https://twitter.com/Rawkus/status/980868628408025088
left fog
silk linden
olive edge
buoyant lily
live footage of Dallas Fuel http://gph.is/2GareOG
silk linden
I can't wait for 
to trade away Seagull so I can finally stop caring about them
balmy wolf
whos seagull?
silk linden
their starting Off Tank I hope
balmy wolf
oh that guy who only appeared in stage one
and then slowly disappeared in stage 2
got it
silk linden
he didn't slowly disappear in stage 2
he didn't play at all until the last two matches
balmy wolf
right
pearl stratus
Oh Dallas.
"Communication is our biggest problem"
Aggressively trades their best communicator for a toxic cunt
Good for Custa though.
pearl stratus
Honestly I think so. Moon seems to be aggressively slapping the shit out of LAV management.
So hopefully they'll stop being dumpster fire people.
Whereas Unkoe is notoriously kind of a giant fucking douche.
Which means you could get an LAV that do exponentially better without him.
silk linden
trade effect for soon and rebuild the Rogue core, might as well
pearl stratus
Because they won't hate playing with 17% of their roster right out the gate.
Honestly Soon could go either way.
Remember LAV picked up Bunny.
Who isn't a slouch.
pearl stratus
Soon is better, arguably. But Bunny is solid and comes from an organization that works well together.
So he brings a sense of solid teamwork already.
If they let Kariv migrate back to support I think LAV has potential to turn it around.
First things first is making your team a happy environment again.
grim dagger
pearl stratus
Also my work day is so slow I've been watching the different team vods.
Can Coolmatt be my secret santa?
That kid knows whats up.
Gets Jake for SS. Gives him single malt scotch, candy, and something else.
Dallas is going to go into Stage 3 as mimes.
No communication needed.
Effect is going to go back to Korea and just cosplay with his girlfriend.
potent vigil
Nice
balmy wolf
is it better to play at high sens or low sens for overwatch
olive edge
no sens
glass orbit
Rip custa :(
vestal mortar
silk linden
@balmy wolf just whatever you feel comfortable with. Pros use all sorts of senses. Low sens lets you be more accurate, high sense lets you aim faster
pearl stratus
Its also very personal because you know how much space you have.
For instance I still use a drawer in my desk (vomit) so I don't have a ton of mouse room.
So my sens is a little higher just to make up for my lack of room.
I should redo it and cut that shit out.
But I'm lazy.
balmy wolf
what sr should I start looking for a competitive team
limber pine
@balmy wolf #overwatch-serious or #old-gameplay-advice might be a better place to ask
civic marsh
custa unkoe trade monkaGIGA
civic marsh
hastro treating dallas like his personal OWL dream team play thing and screwing it up 
pearl stratus
I wonder if it was him or Kyky. He said he was giving Kyky full control, but for some reason I super doubt it.
Meanwhile Jake and Rawkus are going on the Today Show.
Dallas get your shit together.
silk linden
I just don't get the reasoning behind it at all
pearl stratus
The other Texas team makes you look bad.
silk linden
they make themselves look bad
torpid charm
wonder how Soon feels
civic marsh
hastro is secretly rebuilding rogue
silk linden
who knows, maybe this will all work out, what do we know
pearl stratus
Like half a baguette, missing his butter.
pearl stratus
I think it'll work out for Custa.
silk linden
not probable given Dalla's history, but who knows
pearl stratus
Also LAV doesn't need a Tracer.
They can get rid of Soon for whatever they want.
They have Bunny who will probably mesh with their tanks and others better.
pearl stratus
Also Custa isn't playing Zen on Valiant.
So to me that says Kariv -> Zen, since its his favorite (Zen/Mercy).
And Custa to Ana/Lucio/Moira.
oak schooner
ROSTER ANNOUNCEMENT: @Kephrii and timthetatman join the Dallas Fuel! Both players will be eligible to play in Stage 3. #BurnBlue
tranquil verge
hey thanks
oak schooner
why is @ broken
tranquil verge
didnt know i was joining the team
oak schooner
yw
limber pine
Twitter
limber pine
a similar thing happened between stages 1 and 2
but with the signing period ending tomorrow, i'd expect it to be much juicier
pearl stratus
I remember Daemin being pretty decent, but he dropped off my radar.
Either way its the last real slot that Shanghai needs.
Though they should drop a support and pick up another dps (bye freefeel)
night notch
i've just realized that being a Houston Outlaws fan feels som familiar because I'm a Minnesota Vikings fan
teams with decent rosters and the potential to win consistently and even be champions, but they constantly stumble/get in their own way and end the season with decent but unimpressive standings
๐ข
gaunt acorn
junkertown in stage 3
night notch
sombra could be good
not having a strong tracer is killing us tho
and of course what do we do about that?
we recruit a genji player
A+
limber pine
should have just gotten Soon
limber pine
it's unknown
but Valiant is certainly up in the air ATM
so I ultimately would not have been surprised
night notch
shucks
either way, i don't understand the recruitment
i love jake as a dude, he's funny, and really seems to enjoy doing what he's doing
but i don't want him on my team
pearl stratus
@limber pine If you haven't watched the last Houston Focus thing I actually recommend it.
Flame actually speaks intelligently on the whole tracer/roster thing (which is shocking enough as is)
And honestly as a Houston fan the team would go balls to the walls down the shitter without Jake.
You'd just end up with Dallas 2.0
night notch
as like, an emotional staple? or do you mean his gameplay
pearl stratus
Not his gameplayt.
vestal mortar
Yes, I was just gonna type out the whole explanation but just go watch Flame talk about it. ๐
pearl stratus
He's right about his own gameplay, he's one of the lower end players in the league.
But his gamesense and shot calling are really really high level. And the team is ridiculously reliant on it.
vestal mortar
Yeah Bani and Jake have the best calls on the team
pearl stratus
I think if Flame had explained the tracer thing like he did in that video people wouldn't have flamed him so hard.
Because his explanation in the video is really logical.
night notch
maybe he should be their coordinator then? i can totally respect that if it's true, but his spot would be much better filled by a good tracer wouldn't it?
pearl stratus
No, that's a false positive.
night notch
i haven't seen this video you're talking about but i'll check it out
vestal mortar
Yeah it was really understandable in the video
pearl stratus
So the biggest issue with building a team, according to Flame, isn't just about putting your best players on the team and throwing it out there
That's not how it works.
Because some great players are reliant on other players.
And that's definitely okay.
limber pine
I haven't watched it, but i know flame who is very knowledgeable.
pearl stratus
It's about putting out the players that create the most cohesive team.
You can sacrifice some skill for cohesion because in the end that can win out.
vestal mortar
Everything worked out a lot better with Linkzr on Tracer and Jake playing Junk etc in the last week or stage 2 so I am hoping they will work more on that in the future.
pearl stratus
So what he's trying to do with the Tracer situation is keep a really talented shotcaller who kind of pulls the team together while keeping Linkzr who everyone gets along with.
And its a very long term focused solution.
Because either Jake or Linkzr can get to that level of Tracer.
It's just not going to be a fast solution.
But it could be the solution that works best for the team as a whole.
limber pine
and i'm not necessarily saying they need that level of a Tracer. I'm just saying Mercy and JR nerfs hit them harder than most
pearl stratus
Oh no I agree, and he talks about that.
inner coyote
uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh so unkoe to dallas
pearl stratus
My comment was in refutation to Owo.
vestal mortar
Yes
pearl stratus
@limber pine Flame talks about how they had a lot of issues in Stage 1 they just ignored - because everyone was on their best heroes so they seemed like -really- small issues.
inner coyote
does that mean custa or some other support will go to valiant
pearl stratus
Then Stage 2 rolled around.
And the things they thought were little, turned out to be much larger.
Custa is already on Valiant.
He won't be playing Zen.
He'll most likely be Ana/Lucio/Mercy.
inner coyote
D:
pearl stratus
With Kariv on Zen.
Since they're finally, I believe, putting Kariv back on support like he wanted.
Hopefully Moon can keep the rest of the management in line.
And LAV should turn out fine.
I don't think Unkoe is going to mix well with the Fuel minus AKM.
Because he's kind of toxic af. He wants the team to be better, but the way he comes off would make me Germany the shit out of him.
limpid estuary
What patch will Stage 3 be played on?
silk linden
the one with new sombra, without brigitte
limpid estuary
But why?
silk linden
why no brigitte?
silk linden
brigitte isn't live, in ranked at least
silk linden
no ult from hacked packs
limpid estuary
Or is that still on PTR?
silk linden
you mean the nerf after the big buff?
limpid estuary
Yes
silk linden
I think that's live
limpid estuary
Yeah it came with Brig
Is that in Stage 3, or will it be the out of date version of Sombra?
Like, is it just live with Brig disabled?
silk linden
p much
limpid estuary
Or is it the version before Brig?
magic zinc
I dont think we have official confirmation on what patch it is
We just kinda assume its the Brigitte one minus Brigitte
hidden osprey
So Custa for unKOE
I think Fuel have completely lost it
Trading their only "vocal" shotcaller
on a team that has communication problems 
mortal fractal
left fog
vestal mortar
Ummm
Twitter
What is happening 
I'm gonna go to sleep and when I wake up LAV will be a whole new roster
pearl stratus
@limpid estuary General consensus it will be the current patch on live, without Brigitte as they're following more of whats in the competitive season.
limpid estuary
Ok
pearl stratus
As Brigitte will not release into competitive prior to the Stage 3 starting it is unlikely that she will carry over to there.
But hack nerfs should be live in OWL.
limpid estuary
ANd this will not contain the current changes on PTR
Which may or may not go live next week
magic zinc
Yo Jewvia nice pic
pearl stratus
The only change that could potentially go in would be the Blizzardworld map changes.
Which would only be for the better for viewer stake.
magic zinc
PTR changes is for sure a no no, although I hope Blizzworld changes make it in
Yeah damn a line-up of Junkertown, Anubis and Blizzard World would be something
pearl stratus
Jake came in his pants when he saw the map line up.
Junk errywhere.
The NYXL meet and greet is adorable btw.
The old mom asking about Janus for her daughter is super wholesome.
magic zinc
You guys think anyone is gonna pick up Envy before the window closes?
pearl stratus
Even if he's not, there's not a lot of teams that really need an off-tank.
hidden osprey
thinks about Dallas Fuel
magic zinc
Yo i just realized
pearl stratus
Mickie will most likely go back to OT once OGE is playable.
Even though Seagull has done a decent job.
magic zinc
His visa is gonna expire soon too
hidden osprey
I feel sorry for Seagull
magic zinc
So he'll have to hurry back to Korea
hidden osprey
He deserves so much better
magic zinc
Because LAV released him at the worst possible time
scarlet spear
?
pearl stratus
I think Seagull would make a better analyst/coach than jerking him around into a million different positions.
Imo.
magic zinc
Well they couldve released him mid-stage but eh
scarlet spear
dont they have the sports visas?
hidden osprey
The thing is, he's proved he can fill any role
pearl stratus
We haven't seen Supportgull.
scarlet spear
as long as theres not a clause about him having to be under contract for the team i doubt he'd instantly get kicked out of 'murica
hidden osprey
I don't see why he wouldn't be able to fill support
magic zinc
I think xQc is also supposed to go back soon right?
pearl stratus
I could also see Fate being picked up by a team in Contenders/Season 2.
magic zinc
I'm sure it'd the same for Envy
hidden osprey
Nah, xQc won't be picked up for a while
brisk roost
Is xQc joining Shock ?
hidden osprey
I don't think he'll return this season at all
brisk roost
Eventually I mean
brisk roost
Yeah
pearl stratus
Yeah, Shitholeland.
Literally has the worst parts of France and the worst parts of Canada.
hidden osprey
I think he's more interested in playing the WC rather than rejoining OWL
pearl stratus
It's more the Quebecoise.
pearl stratus
They're a really shit group of people.
brisk roost
Cause I heard there that the French Canadians are bunch of assholes and racists
pearl stratus
Quebec is like... the West Virginia of the US.
finite cedar
Yeah, xQc will probably focus his stream and let the attention die down a bit until the WC at least.
hidden osprey
It's for the best
He left a team who's flames are burning out, he gets to stream more
pearl stratus
I think as long as he continues to detach from his fans like he has been he'll grow up a bit.
He's always had a fucked up symbiotically bad relationship with them.
finite cedar
The main issue for him would be to tone down his gamestyle. Proplay and solo queue aren't exactly the same.
hidden osprey
I don't think his game style is the issue
pearl stratus
I think with the right team his gameplay is actually fine. Aggressive Winston works really well in the current meta (Look at Fissure/Miro), but he did not have anything cohesive to back him up on it.
hidden osprey
It's more that he gets baited by chat
slim summit
and his team couldn't practice with him half the team
*time
so like
even if he had a good genji like Rascal to synergize with
pearl stratus
I think its more this weird tell all relationship he has with his fans, where they exacerbate and boost up his ego so he just keeps talking and talking.
And talking and talking.
And talking.
And eventually says something stupid.
slim summit
they would only be able to practice together every other 2 weeks
pearl stratus
GR's been trying to do that for a bit, no?
nocturne sable
I do enjoy that LAV is basically just rebuilding their roster
scarlet spear
at least he gets to do something with the team now i guess
pearl stratus
I think its good that LAV is listening to Moon since he got there.
Since their old management team made Kyky look good.
Well Kyky+Hastr0.
Since Hastr0 was the original setter of the fuels fire
finite cedar
I can see a lot of coach breaking their teeth on the Fuel roster.
scarlet spear
the trade seems so questionable
pearl stratus
The Unkoe Custa one?
scarlet spear
as soon as they get rid of one of the traditional nV roster im done with fuel personally
yeah
pearl stratus
I understand it, but I think its not thought out properly.
Chips sucks at Zen, just flat out.
So they're getting themselves a Zen.
hidden osprey
Custa was their only vocal shotcaller from what we've seen
inb4 Chips and Cocco stay benched forever
pearl stratus
OGE is vocal and they're assuming he'll take over the role.
finite cedar
Custa was their main stable shotcaller.
pearl stratus
So maybe you don't need Custa.
However I don't think anyone thought about personality.
Which is par for the course with Dallas.
scarlet spear
OGE remains to be seen and is still banned for the next 2 games at least
finite cedar
Taimou could be vocal shotcaller, but he's going up and down.
pearl stratus
Minus AKM I don't see Unkoes toxicity and direct anger going well with the team.
hidden osprey
Taimou is not a shot caller by any means
scarlet spear
taimou used to be their shotcaller
finite cedar
He kinda was for Envy.
hidden osprey
No, Fuel never had a shot caller before
finite cedar
They said it themselves.
pearl stratus
I think Dallas is trying to do the 'We can fix it with talent' alone route.
hidden osprey
Effect said in his AMA that Fuel had no dedicated shotcaller
pearl stratus
And not thinking about how people work together.
Which is going to keep fucking them over.
hidden osprey
and from the comms we saw, he wasn't shotcalling at all
pearl stratus
OGE has comms from what he streamed with Custa, but who knows how that keeps going.
frosty grove
If shanghai gets xQc they can easily beat fuel and mayhem
pearl stratus
Shangai has Fearless, who's honestly as good if not better than xQc.
We'll see how he does with a real support.
Right now the only teams without a solid main tank are...
Shock.
And the Shock.
scarlet spear
FeelsBadMan for nomy and his sobstory, but he really is by far the worst tank in the league now
pearl stratus
Yeah. Normally I'd say Florida too.
But they have Awesomeguy now to replace Cwoosh.
scarlet spear
cwoosh has been doing alright aswell recently
not stand out
but not really feeding either
pearl stratus
Yeah, but either way Awesomeguy will most likely be their starter.
scarlet spear
definitely
timid tree
Literally just here to vent about how done I am with dallas at the moment, alright Iโm done carry on now.
civic marsh
envy released and dallas didn't want him
?? is he some sort of secret asshole that ruins team atmosphere or something??
scarlet spear
dont get it either... him and fate were such a great tank duo
pearl stratus
Dallas only has one slot left.
So unless they release Cocco picking up another tank is bad for their overall roster.
Not that I'm against releasing people.
It would just need that.
civic marsh
they kinda need him though
mickie isn't good enough, seagull is passable but he's not a dva player
pearl stratus
Oh I'm not saying that. I'm just saying logistically they'd need to release someone because there's no point in having four tank players on your roster.
When you have other major issues.
You can get away with it if you're like..
LAG.
And your three dps rotaton is solid.
And your supports are solid
civic marsh
it's not like fuels dps lineup isn't good
pearl stratus
I was more hinting at their trash level support cohesion.
civic marsh
yeah you're not wrong there
civic marsh
that video with agilities was a fucking joke
and now grim reality is a coach, envy released
timid tree
And the fact theyโre trading out unkoe makes me feel like theyโre looking to trade out soon as well, especially after acquiring bunny
At this point they may as well release all their players and start over
civic marsh
soon tweeted "c u soon" to unkoe
dallas rogue reunion ๐ค
torpid charm
Envy gone? Grimreality from player to coach? Custa and Unkoe swap? what is going ooooon
timid tree
Rogue reunion, effect gets the position in Seoul he always wanted and a chance to redeem himself
civic marsh
shd signed a guy from shock's academy i think
torpid charm
sad because Fusion discord has no more Pepe emotes 
torpid charm
OH YEAH GLAD DOES HAVE VOID
they doing that last minute shit
overall, it's been a crazy weekend for OWL
inner coyote
is void a bad pick?
sullen berry
It can't get any closer than the morning of before they play. I know there's gonna be another team to capitalize on that
pearl stratus
Void is nowhere near a bad pick.
He's an insane off-tank.
And has played with Fissure before.
sullen berry
Rascal was announced the day before AKM had made his debut in s2
pearl stratus
Most people are worried about Bischus position with Void around, but Fissure said he thinks they can trade off a bunch because they bring different things to the table.
So we'll seee.
torpid charm
I really don't wanna see Bischu benched
there's been talk about then picking up Void for a minute and I was always worried about Bischu because now with Fissure, that's an insanely good tank unit. but Void is good so much won't change I hope, just two diff players swapping in and out for that spot
timid tree
Void will most likely manage the zarya/hog offtank role, donโt worry too much about it
Fissure was saying himself he wanted LAG to pick up void just so he has more synergy in off-meta tank compositions
balmy wolf
why does it feel wrong that xqc is not in dallas fuel anymore
midnight reef
!
supple prism
xqc was barely in fuel anyway
grizzled mulch
supple prism
dont agree with number 12
they may have not won a match but they are getting better
tawny sigil
damn this site gave me a random password for this game
straight in the middle of the password
XQCuqT
torpid charm
supple prism
pics or it didnt happen
tawny sigil
sullen berry
the lad's not wrong
"aAy, Free XQC you qt"\
I've caught on basically a firestorm of a new composition for LA Valiant
Bunny being the main or most likely a Sub for the first game on Wednesday
ruby pendant
Void on gladiators? Maybe Flower will go to the Dragons?!
torpid charm
whaaaaaaaaat
ruby pendant
@torpid charm Dragons would be #1!
hidden vault
I meant NYXL ๐คฆ
Geguri should go to NYXL!
I believe she would fit better there instead of a chinese team
spring lintel
Why did the trash can called fuel not take envy?
spring lintel
Yeah I am saying why they didnt do it?
How can the fuel be this stupid
They probably signed seagull for a shit ton of money and they didnโt want to trade him for a lot less.
Makes sense business wise but not really good for the team
silk linden
Why trade him at all
Unless he wants to leave, like Custa
Envy the way he's being treated may be a toxic asset. They don't want another xQc
spring lintel
Most pros are toxic
hidden vault
Envy is toxic??
spring lintel
Just not publicly like xqc
I have played with profit playing in duo, I admit we had a super shitty widow. They kept saying he was win trading.
Sinatraa is toxic as fuck
All of rogue is toxic
Tiamou is toxic
Itโs just whether you are public about it or not
Anyways envy is definitely better than mickie and seagull with dva
Seagull might have just gotten lucky with 1 good game
hidden vault
means Akm and Soon is toxic?
I disagree with all pro players being toxic
you can see how nice Mickie is
hidden vault
I haven't really seen any of the players such toxcity
like saying you are shit and stuff
at least those player's stream that I have watched
torpid charm
did y'all read what Envy said about him being released?
hidden vault
please share it
hidden vault
what's with the Xepher hate? ๐
molten skiff
he was the one who basically said "im gonna retire if geguri doesnt use hacks"
torpid charm
gimme a second I got y'all
Hi! I know a lot of fans are curious and have questions about this sudden release. So I would like to kinda sort out things here a bit. There is an actual rumor about me punching the coachesโ faces and blah blah. THIS ISNT REAL.
First of all, I was not that aware of cultural differences between NA an Korea. I was really aggressive for winning and this kinda falsely led to somewhere I did not intend to. Also, I was stressed out throughout stage 1 to 2 and miscommunication caused by the language barrier obviously took part of it. Imo, I tried my best but did not work out the way I expected to be.
So the team and I decided to either trade or release me but the day we made decision was too close to the trade window so I was not able to find my new home. The team and I both had a long talk and came across together with this decision. It was hard for me but also for the team as well. Once again, I really appreciate your supports and love and will try my best to get back in SS2 in Korea.
hidden vault
@molten skiff I think he said quit the team
and he did
but he went to join some usa team I think
hidden vault
@torpid charm where did you get this from?
torpid charm
^^^
molten skiff
and also, xepher was one of the people basically accusing geguri and leading the charge against her, iirc
and he never apologized to geguri
molten skiff
also, he never quit the team, i dont think
he tried to join KDP, but KDP fans got so mad at that the team basically cancelled it
hidden vault
yeah I asked the link for the tweet
hidden vault
aww thanks
lucid sparrow
Anyone have the overwatch contenders discord?
hidden vault
they have a discord?
ember jewel
Yeah
torpid charm
yeah sorry I couldn't find the link I just had what he said
hidden vault
It's fine
silk linden
whole mulch
What happened with envy
scarlet spear
even mickie saying that custa was pretty much the team captain at that point and he has no clue why he got sold... FeelsFuelMan
red anvil
valient have swapped out pretty much all members they deemed to be NMA
scarlet spear
really wonder how the atmosphere must've been for noah to take such drastic steps with some of the members... considering how hes seen from other eSports where he was always super fair and supportive of his team
warped axle
Valiant are still going to suck
quick shale
I mean, they just told Custa that Valiant wanted a trade but left it up to him
scarlet spear
they dont have to do the trade tho ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
still questionable, but if custa is happier there thats at least good for him
red anvil
Noah probably tried, and had proper hopes for the team
but underestimated how much shit gets thrown around if you have the wrong people on the team
and that gets amped up
and i think they are fine with not being on top, as long as the team chemistry is good.
regal ore
is there a particular channel/server for discussing contenders? (KR in particular)
red anvil
yes this
unfortuantly not the most active channel though, i think O.W have the most active contenders channel? but that requires an invite from one of the admins i believe
drowsy fulcrum
why are London killing themselves
gaunt acorn
what do you mean by that
drowsy fulcrum
Rascal and Fissure lost
red anvil
they dident need either of them
Fissure was too good for the bench, and he was creating more problems that he was worth
silk linden
Yeah they were basically keeping them so that other teams couldn't use them
Hoarding both the best and the second best main tank in the league
red anvil
Rascal have some value for his flex sure, but both Birdring and Profit have most heroes covered on a top tier level
silk linden
Who's their other dps again?
red anvil
horeg
silk linden
Yeah no reason to ever swap profit and birdring out to be honest
red anvil
well one, pharah - but they have managed to work around it
double longrange hitscan comp
which i have pretty much only ever seen Spitfire do
silk linden
People praise Philly for having the best dps complete lineup, but there's something to be said about having 2 players that can do it all by themselves
No risk of messing up the swaps
red anvil
Philly does deffo not have the best dps lineup, they have a good one - but it's fairly preditable
hidden vault
@red anvil what do you mean by NMA
red anvil
Negative Mental Attitude
red anvil
solider mccree
wet oyster
oh
hidden vault
What Happened to Harryhook? Isn't he supposed to be team captain?
wet oyster
i could see philly running that but they don't really like soldier
red anvil
he will probably be on main lineup again now
wet oyster
well custa moved over to team captains until they threw him away
red anvil
yeah but philly dont need to use double longrange hitscan really
they got two good pharahs
wet oyster
i wouldnt say that
id say that got one good pharah who's permanantly benched
i don't htink eqo is that comfortable on pharah
balmy wolf
lol eqo wont be suspended
He will get a 1k fine
that's it
maybe not even
sdb will stay benched
red anvil
thing is that there is simlar cases in other sport where the same gesture resulted in a 5 game suspension
wet oyster
like what?
balmy wolf
and he is basically permabenched at this point
the only maps he played were at the start of stage 2
and then he never played again
Fusion played 52 maps and SDB played 9 of them
torpid charm
I'm feeling like coaches of Philly are gonna pull a Dallas Fuel and maybe keep Eqo out so he can learn his lesson. but that's just how I see it happening
maybe we'll see more SDB this stage, I can only hope
warped axle
LET EQO PLAY
gaunt acorn
maybe not after his stream mishap
whole mulch
What did eqo do o.O
warped axle
whole mulch
Yikes
torpid charm
Tucker says they're working on figuring out what to do atm
whole mulch
Does this mean Shadowbenched will be freeeee
torpid charm
maybe
onyx shore
i prefer SDB anyway
torpid charm
I feel like it could be a $1k ban or a 2 match suspension
torpid charm
true
whole mulch
Is there context to that image on Envy's tweet?
Is there a clip or something
or did he just make the face
silk linden
xQc got more for less, but he was a repeated offender
whole mulch
Asher's tweet*
silk linden
I mean the public punishment
whole mulch
sorry
torpid charm
onyx shore
well the crutch for xqc's fine/suspension is his so called " racist" emote usage
torpid charm
Eqo was talking about how much he loved the Koreans then did that gesture.
whole mulch
Oh
red anvil
the context was that he got the question why he was calling in korean, he responded with yes i am korean and did that
whole mulch
Hm
red anvil
it was not to offend anyone, he just dident know it was considered offensive
torpid charm
that might be the link
onyx shore
as asian i'm personally not offended with that,but it's understandable for eqo to get punished
torpid charm
ya
onyx shore
that
red anvil
yeah like, it gets used as a mockery
onyx shore
"he didnt know it was considered offensiv" --> this is bullshit
onyx shore
it's like saying you don't know the n-word is used to offend black people
red anvil
no one would ever react if anyone did it here
the n-word is a known racial slur across the globe, the asian eyes really aint
red anvil
how do you know that he does? like the guy have been without parents since he was 15 years old
and played games since then
as well as a colombian in israel
onyx shore
dude,if you're a gamer,at least you're tech savy,and you're not blinded by the internet
torpid charm
uuuuuuh imma disagree with the "the Asian eyes thing isn't know".
red anvil
thats bullshit, gamers are not tech savy
and i'm an a computer engineer so yes i can say that
onyx shore
it's just impossible that you know how to use slanted eye gesture,but doesnt know the meaning
red anvil
why? like its a gesture that gets commonly used, several people i've talked to have been like people just do that here
just because its obvious to you, it dont mean its obvious to everyone across the globe
onyx shore
and btw,doesnt matter if he really doesnt know the meaning (that's a big if btw),what matters is the public perception
red anvil
he should still be punished regardless, but i dont agree with "everyone know jsut because"
onyx shore
as we know,that context doesnt really matter to blizzard,but what it looks like what matters
red anvil
i think context does matter for them, as long as you dont have a record full of stupid shit
onyx shore
and boy,using slanted eyes gesture while talking about koreans and claiming to not knowing the meaning is weak ass defense
torpid charm
besides the fact that he did the thing, I'll say his apology about it was kinda bullshit? like I love Eqo but c'mon man, reading it reminded me of like when kids are forced to apologize but they don't mean it. that's just my opinion though
red anvil
i am not defending him, i just say its a stupid af. assumption that he knew just because its obvious for you.
here someone could easily do it on tv, without a public uproar, as long as the context were fine
torpid charm
here like relative to you?
red anvil
yes, if i moved to US, or any else for that matter - i probably would be slapped at one point
torpid charm
I get that
pearl stratus
I think its a matter of audience.
In the US at least the Asian community at large is at a weird place in which they're not as obvious a target as the african american community for gestures/words etc so there's a lot more leniency given towards what could be construed as disparaging actions and remarks towards them. By all accounts it seems super frustrating.
It's an awkward sociology idea of casual racism - where its not actually racism. No one is doing it to be angry or offensive but its become such a cultural thing that no one stops to think about it either.
torpid charm
ya ya
pearl stratus
Like growing up when I did if I saw an Asian American actor they were 90% of the times the geeky kid and they always had that accent, the l and r swap etc, etc.
torpid charm
when I first saw/heard about this, I took that into account. so with all of this he can learn which us good
mmm that's wild
pearl stratus
Even in one of my favorite movies, Goonies. The Asian character invented stuff, people couldn't understand him, he was more comedic joke. Black hair cut in the bowl cut etc.
As a kid it didn't mean anything.
Now that I'm older I could see it be a frustrating symbol as an actor.
red anvil
sterotyping by race is a sad thing but its starting to pass, for the most part at least.
torpid charm
okay I knew I wasn't the only one who was like "excuse me?", even when I was younger I thought it was weird
pearl stratus
It has been, yeah. But its why I understand why Eqo does need a punishment - his intentions were by no means wrong.
But man did he pick a horrible way to do it.
torpid charm
that's what I'm saying
then people are saying "he did it out of admiration, blah blah blah" then that makes me look at what he did as cultural appropriation but that's just what I think.
red anvil
i am just more disgusted by people who want him almost executed for doing a mistake, that he dident know was a mistake
pearl stratus
Nah, he doesn't need anything more than like.
red anvil
same with the Tairong case.
onyx shore
what was tairong's excuse btw?
torpid charm
I'm fine with the punishment if it ain't wild but I really hope it'll be a learning experience for him
red anvil
he actually dident take the reference, and i've talked with people first hand about it.
they had to explain to him what it actually meant
red anvil
idk how he dident take the refrence, but he dident.
pearl stratus
Honestly he probably was going for a bomb meme and grabbed a quick picture.
red anvil
again, its not.
pearl stratus
People have done way worse just grabbing pictures off the internet.
I honestly don't remember which image it was either, I'd have to see it again.
onyx shore
anti japanese sentiment is strong in korea,because of past history,there's no way he didn't know about this
pearl stratus
Tairong was also smart enough to be proactive in his apology, and donated more than any fine would have been.
Which is why it blew over so fast.
He didn't have a twitch army of retards to make it an issue for an extra three weeks ๐
magic zinc
Eh they were gonna let it slide and only responded when Reddit got a hold of it
red anvil
the fines goes to charity anyhow
onyx shore
@pearl stratus https://www.dexerto.com/app/uploads/2018/02/meme.png
pearl stratus
Yeah, would have probably been in the range of $2000 fine.
magic zinc
Do we even know where the fines go?
Never read anything on it
Might as well be Nate Nanzer's bonus as far as we know lol
red anvil
Blizzards charity for poor devs
pearl stratus
He donated his directly.
red anvil
no, idk.
pearl stratus
Which I like.
magic zinc
Oh I know about the Tairong one
red anvil
i've only heard that it was a charity
pearl stratus
I think that'd be a better option, imo.
onyx shore
xqc said it was cut directly from monthly paycheck
so,yeah,probably straight to nate nanzer pocket
red anvil
they probably have some chairty fond that they use for various things that they throw the money in
magic zinc
They get paid by the org's though don't they
red anvil
nope
pearl stratus
Directly to the person responsible.
torpid charm
I think Jake and Rawkus are gonna be on TV soon
pearl stratus
The Org could choose to recompensate the person, I suppose.
But the thought is if it comes from the person directly its more impactful, which I agree with.
red anvil
they got a UI they login in to that is mutral for all the teams
pearl stratus
Unfortunately if you're a high profile streamer a bunch of idiots hype you up and pay your fine.
And you learn nothing
And get released by your team.
red anvil
i'm still curious how xqc behaved inside dallas that got him an extension of what? 4 matches suspension?
pearl stratus
Honestly I think that was 90% PR, 10% they actually wanted to extend his suspension.
They were already criticized heavily for bringing him into the league, most people were really apprehensive. Not because of his skill but because of his personality.
And right away he got suspended.
rare sonnet
pearl stratus
So they had to be like "No no, we got this. Tough love."
pearl stratus
Also Hastr0 is a shit show right now.
I have a feeling that kind of stuff is going to bite xQc in the ass.
He really needs to chill.
red anvil
lol
pearl stratus
Because I wouldn't be surprised if part of his release is an NDA with Blizzard/Dallas.
red anvil
not the case i were talking about but that was hilarious
what i was talking about was the issues in stage 1, seagull confirmed back then that xqc had been misbehaving behind the scenes as well
pearl stratus
Oh, I think Custa put him on blast.
He was showing up to scrims late and stuff, taking longer breaks.
Basically I think he didn't balance his schedule well.
He was still streaming a LOT, and scrimming etc.
torpid charm
Jake and Rawkus are on TV
gusty cipher
no camera is big enough to capture that thiccness
hidden vault
It's okay just keep him in since Dallas is alr filled with toxic players
sullen berry
is there a vod of the show with megyn kelly they're on rn
pearl stratus
Altogether the Houston kids are just good TV, its not like a TV outlet wants to show an In&Out trip.
Also I feel so bad for Mickie.
"Custa was our only leader and we traded him"
Rip Mickie.
torpid charm
that's sad
hidden vault
Rip Mickie (again)
https://clips.twitch.tv/HedonisticRespectfulDurianBIRB
naive dawn
xqc is actually hilarious in that clip
silk linden
Mickie must be this close to snap
He would deserve the Hawelka award basically if by the end of the season he doesn't break anyone's neck
I mean look at those biceps
fallow raven
Fuel gonna be bad this stage
arctic flint
torpid charm
what
hidden vault
shanghai 1st win when they get rid of all LDG corruption
pearl stratus
They basically did. MG on D'va wasn't worth on OWL. On his other heroes so far he's done fine, and I have no complaints. Freefeel is the other issue, but he's been replaced by Sky.
U4 is gone.
It's relatively pointless to blame the players.
It's not like they were some grand conspiracy. Their coach went "Hey you want to play in OWL?" and they said yes like anyone really would in their situation.
pearl stratus
Altering was one of their only improved players in Stage 1, and did well in Stage 2.
hidden vault
okay what am I ignorant about again?
for altering right?
only Fiveking and Undead is Overwatch League worthy
Diya Roshan and Xushu well not too bad but they aren't that much
pearl stratus
I hate to tell you this but Fiveking is barely, barely, better than Altering.
hidden vault
on lucio?
pearl stratus
They have a split situation between the four other supports.
hidden vault
probably on mercy but fiveking 1 tricks lucio
pearl stratus
Because Sky will be on Zenyatta.
So you'll play Fiveking when you want Lucio, you'll play Altering for the others.
If you get rid of altering you're stuck with Lucio + Zen for EVERYTHING.
And the team just continues to fail.
Unless you're going to bring Freefeel in to cover Ana/Mercy.
Which won't go well.
pearl stratus
He should, but thats a bad plan.
hidden vault
why though?
hidden vault
Zen is meta?
pearl stratus
Because there's little/no situations where you don't field Zen.
Minus Four Tanks, Zen shows up like 92% of the time.
I think that was his Stage 2 Pick Rate
Something like 90-92%.
It's why Custa swapped to Lucio on Dallas.
To let Chips play Zenyatta only.
It's also why Ryuhejong stays on Zenyatta all the time.
hidden vault
I hadn't been following stage two so you would need to feed the info on me
pearl stratus
He's better at it than Tobi, and it lets Tobi flex.
Even though RHJ's Ana is insane, the Zen is better in most situations.
hidden vault
who is better then Tobi?
pearl stratus
Ryuhejong on Zenyatta.
hidden vault
oh
pearl stratus
Basically the way the meta works right now is one support basically one tricks Zenyatta.
And the other one/two flexes.
Depending if you have another support to rotate in.
hidden vault
JJonak
pearl stratus
JJonak, Sleepy, Bdosin, Ryuhejong, etc, etc.
hidden vault
okay anyways we are talking SHD here
pearl stratus
Yeah so back to the original point:
hidden vault
how is fiveking's others vs altering
pearl stratus
Sky will be playing Zenyatta 90%+ of the time.
hidden vault
minus lucio
wet oyster
i just got the discord update notes, that was april fools right?
pearl stratus
Which means you need Fiveking + Altering to fill in the other support gaps.
hidden vault
yes @wet oyster and #general-discussion
wet oyster
oh my b
limber pine
pearl stratus
Altering has a solid Moira, and no one has really played Ana on SHD.
hidden vault
we can agree Fiveking is better on Lucio right?
pearl stratus
So right now you'd put in Altering for Mercy + Moira.
Fiveking for Lucio.
Yeah I do agree on that.
limber pine
it means what it means
pearl stratus
How many kills in ten minutes versus how many deaths. They do it in a time gap like that to give a better sample size.
limber pine
what's the confusion?
pearl stratus
The information coming out of a map that finishes in 1:30 would be lopsided.
Because it means one team just got rolled.
It's not a useful sample.
pearl stratus
It's an arbitrary time amount, but its a useful one in that metric because it shows over time versus a roll situation.
Also its still crazy to see how good Striker is.
Boston really lucked out with their roster.
limber pine
most maps at set to last about 10 minutes
so the theory is k/d per match-ish
non-control anyway
pearl stratus
The weakest link on Boston imo is Note.
Not that Note is bad.
He just doesn't always flow with Gamsu well.
hidden vault
also how is fiveking's other support compared to altering? altering is still better then every other support other then lucio?
pearl stratus
Altering, from what I've seen, is a better Mercy + Moira.
I don't remember anyone on SHD ever playing Ana.
So that's an unaccounted metric.
limber pine
Boston doesn't have another Dva player do they?
pearl stratus
They don't, they just have Kalios as backup monkey.
Boston has two roster slots open too. Which they didn't try to fill that I know of.
hidden vault
maybe they should get envy or geguri
pearl stratus
Envy I think must have something internally going on.
In terms of being able to work with his team or something.
Only reason I can see no one picking him up.
I mean hell Undead already got picked up by a contenders team.
Envy is just a weird situation.
pearl stratus
Something internal.
hidden vault
Envy is a better dva then space