how much money?
#esports-discussion
balmy wolf
silk linden
three fiddy
balmy wolf
350,000?
silk linden
idk man
balmy wolf
?
torpid charm
enough money I guess
cedar pebble
Does Boston uprising have a discord? If anyone knows it can you tell me it or send me a link to it
torpid charm
I'll get that link for you, hold up
torpid charm
okay gimme a second I'll hit y'all with all of them
Shanghai has no discord sadly
silk linden
their players can't stream either
torpid charm
but y'all should join Fusion discord because it's great in there and I'm in there
that's sad
I wish I could save Shanghai somehow
grizzled trout
Bunny ๐ข
grizzled trout
hm
pearl stratus
I mean.
If Effect goes the other way back to Dynasty.
That could be interesting.
Because I don't think we'll get an Emo Effect on Seoul.
And when he's not being emo, Effect is -really- good.
silk linden
effect leaves dallas only if soon comes from valiant, but they said soon is staying
indigo barn
warped axle
Dallas should stop getting new decks and play the cards they already have
ember jewel
Y'all seen the Slasher tweet saying that Seagull request to be traded-off from Dallas?
I mean, how does Kyky still have a job
He and Hastr0 must have a personal bond
pearl stratus
I mean in some aspects.
But a lot of the shit that happened on Fuel is because Hastr0 is controlling moron.
gray thorn
I agree
How on earth does KyKy still have a job
Also, not sure if itโs allowed here, but any of you guys watch/care about CS:GO esports?
idle beacon
so, any site where i can see all the transfers?
Shanghai Dragons release China DPS Undead.[29]
lol why so?
hidden vault
idle beacon
ye i just checked there, nicetoeat
ember jewel
SHD released Undead because he did a ton of shit and people found out about it
idle beacon
did undead quit owl or what happened?
idle beacon
lol
someones private life isn't blizz fuckin business
weibo is some chinese facebook or what?
rofl
somebody's private life causes one to get removed of an OWL team
just fuckin ridiculous
ember jewel
It wasn't Blizzard
idle beacon
i'd sue them
ember jewel
The team fired him
idle beacon
ye .. i'd sue shd
pearl stratus
Lmao. I know so many people who got fired from their jobs for doing stupid shit on social media.
Fucking stupid kids don't realize that shit follows you.
ember jewel
Yeah, you can't just go around doing shit and expect nothing to happen about it
ember jewel
Specifically on a business that's all about public image and marketing, they can't be associated with that kind of shit
pearl stratus
Also Shanghai Dragons have had enough public backlash for U4.
They're trying to avoid more.
So bye bye Undead.
pearl stratus
He got fired, but he's a meme in china.
No one actually likes him, but Shanghai hired him and he fucked it up.
Has a history of using his players to boost his account, etc.
hidden vault
He is good friends with undead so off they go
idle beacon
@coarse crestBossMKL#0398 it's nothing of SHD's fuckin business what undead is doing in his privacy
ember jewel
Dude, that's not how jobs work
idle beacon
he didn't rape anyone, nor killed, tortured or whatsoever anyone. just because he was cheatin on a girl .. isn't a reason to fire him
ember jewel
You're not entitled to have a job, if you do something that makes them want you to go
Off you go
torpid charm
Undead is so messy, woooooow
torpid charm
and it kinda is their business since that's a player under their organization
hidden vault
@idle beacon why would i want a player with character issues?
It would ruin my company's image
Now I just need MG and Altering (LDG) players off SHD so that I cool fully support SHD
And the whole team would be cleaned
torpid charm
why send away MG and Altering?
idle beacon
let's say .. somebody screws you over, just because you have more than one fuck girlfriend .. @coarse crestBossMKL#0398 @hidden vault .. how'd you feel about it?
hidden vault
@torpid charm they are from LDG gaming which got in unfairly
They play sucky anyways
@idle beacon hmm? He's a public figure
Say if you have a company
Your worker called undead works for it
He goes around to fuck girls off duty
Well nth is wrong
But one day 3-4 girls pop up at your shop
1 of them is pregnant and had abortion twice
They are fighting over your worker called undead
Customers start to leave your stall because of the commotion
And never come back because they accuse YOU the stall owner of housing an immoral worker
Behind this 3-4 girls are a group of mighty netizens who spread the news of Undead and demanding customers not to go to your stall
@idle beacon what will you do?
hidden vault
A) keep Undead in your team and allow the commotion to take it's due course
B) KICK Undead out and stop the commotion and not let undead's saga a fact your stall image further
@pearl stratus he has a valid point though, it's true that it's none of their business, but people do not want employees that could potentially do harm to the company
pearl stratus
The second you sign a contract with a company its their business, because you directly reflect them.
It's in literally -every- employment contract.
idle beacon
@pearl stratus i am sure older than you .. and stuff doesn't work like that here
it's nobody's business
your private life
pearl stratus
When it remains private, sure.
When it becomes public, you fucked yourself as much as those three girls.
Too bad, so sad.
Get over it.
hidden vault
So much for paparazzis then
If you are a public figure they will dig it out
Id you think you can do bad stuff with out anyome knowing so be it
You would be reward for doing good as well as punished for doing bad
If you could potentially cheat on your gfs what make me/you think you would not cheat on the company?!
@idle beacon disagree?
You haven't answered the senario yet
idle beacon
how did it got public in the first place .. it sounds to me like these bishes screwing over ngghz ..
pearl stratus
Well part of it was legal.
Because he wasn't paying child support.
The rest was the second girl venting out to the other girls.
pearl stratus
Don't do stupid shit, and you don't have stupid problems.
hidden vault
Lol
pearl stratus
You can't support someone being an asshole, then get mad when he gets fucked like one ๐
idle beacon
if he'd paid child supp, it wouldn't got public?
pearl stratus
It probably still would have, but it wouldn't have gotten traction like it did.
A girl getting cheated on is way different than "I got cheated on, his first girlfriend got two abortions and had to keep the third child or she'd be sterile then Undead never paid child support{"
One of those gets traction in the news.
The other doesn't.
pearl stratus
It's not, at all. But thats not the question, really.
The question is whether releasing him was right based on it.
And releasing him is correct.
Whether it was information people should have had or not doesn't matter.
You can't just instruct people to ignore it, they're not a jury.
hidden vault
It's the image
ember jewel
The point is, when you sign a contract saying that you'll be the face of a business, when you stop being a face the business want to have, they'll let you go
pearl stratus
After U4's huge issues, another giant PR fuck up like that?
Of course you let him go.
Most of the China OW scene hates him already. Whats the point of wasting your time.
slim summit
nobody gets kicked out of businesses over shit like this
pearl stratus
I've literally had people fired over twittter posts.
slim summit
he'd still make a damn fine Alabama state senator
pearl stratus
I've also had someone call out sick, and post pictures from a baseball game on their social media.
Which then got them fired too.
People play very stupid games, then get very confused when they win stupid prizes.
hidden vault
Sick but play baseball lol
pearl stratus
Best part was if they'd just been like "Look I got tickets to the game today, do you mind if I take sick time for it?" it probably would have been completely fine.
slim summit
that's not the same thing
you can't just find someone and report them to their boss for cheating on their girlfriend
pearl stratus
I mean technically you can, with the right circumstances.
idle beacon
yea ok then
pearl stratus
When the Ashley Madison leak happened about adultery a lot of government employees got fired for it. They just spun it around using their government emails for it.
slim summit
as long as it's consensual ... anybody's boning is their own business
idle beacon
i've just understood that some girl was whining around because undead was cheatin on her with another girl
i wasn't aware he was being a fuckin douche
so he forced her to have them abortions?
pearl stratus
And your own business, in situations like this, are only your own business while it remains your own.
Unclear, she just couldn't have the third abortion or she'd be barren. That's all anyone knows.
slim summit
we can't stop people from disrespecting his privacy
but we can stop dignifying them
with a response
pearl stratus
And you can't stop the team from releasing bad PR.
idle beacon
and that got damn big in china?
idle beacon
like .. how does it affect peops in the states / owl?
pearl stratus
Public perception and outcry. People will often can, and will, stop supporting businesses based on the actions of its employees.
Would people have stopped supporting Shanghai over Undead? Lots already have in China.
Why risk it.
slim summit
but capitulating to them on these grounds is legitimizing their view that it's in any way their business
ember jewel
nope
pearl stratus
It's saying "We don't want Undead to be the face of Shanghai anymore based on what he did"
Which is perfectly legitimate.
ember jewel
It's saying that doing shit while your job is being a public figure will get you fucked
slim summit
historically untrue
ember jewel
Say that to Undead
slim summit
hence historically
ember jewel
I really fail to see how you guys think it's unfair
slim summit
it's gross
ember jewel
It's exactly what @pearl stratus said "We don't want Undead to be the face of Shanghai anymore based on what he did"
pearl stratus
I mean to draw a weird comparison in the US.
What.. six or seven months back we had the White Power March of morons right? A bunch of poeple just marching and being proud of being white. A twitter was made that basically took pictures and named everyone in the pictures that they could.
Most of those people were fired from their jobs.
slim summit
if undead went to an adultery march
it would stop being not your business
because he went to fucking march about it
pearl stratus
Unfortunately he fucked over a girl who made it public.
ember jewel
It's a decent comparison. If you get under the spotlight, any shit you can do,be called out
pearl stratus
So it stopped being none of our business.
He stuck his dick in crazy, and it fucked him right back.
ember jewel
I've seen athletes lose sponsors for way less lol
idle beacon
[20:53] Endoken: Would people have stopped supporting Shanghai over Undead? Lots already have in China.
yea that's waht i was wondering about
pearl stratus
Tiger Woods lost something like $250 million a year in endorsements when he got caught.
idle beacon
but .. too bad it took so long
poor SHD
then again. this must've all happened before OWL started, no?
like, undead did live in the states?
ember jewel
It happened exactly when it was starting
pearl stratus
Dating wise it also puts it as a long distance relationship as well Winston, so it continued.
ember jewel
He ran away to the OWL, and let the girl with the child without support
idle beacon
ye, i just mean .. this could've all stopped much earlier
idle beacon
welp .. that's one way to fuckin ruin ur life / image ๐
ember jewel
Shit wouldn't be so bad now
pearl stratus
Actually yeah, Tiger Woods is the best example that fits this really well.
idle beacon
having ur brain in ya shlong
pearl stratus
Cheated on his wife, got caught.
$100 million in divorce and a shit ton of enfdorsements.
ember jewel
Yeah, Tiger Woods is a good example
pearl stratus
He's just now recovering endorsements.
idle beacon
tiger is an afro .. that's what i meant earlier with them bishes trying to screw over ngghz ..
mike tyson .. another exsample
ember jewel
Although I think that what Undead did was a little darker than what he did
pearl stratus
I agree, but comparison wise it fits better especially since we don't know full details.
idle beacon
i don't know what to believe. but undead is just some young guy who thought with his pipi
pearl stratus
Ray Rice lost all his endorsements and his value in the NFL when he beat the shit out of his fiancee in the elevator ๐
pearl stratus
Hell EA even went back and removed Rice from Madden.
idle beacon
why did he beat the shit outta her? Oo
ember jewel
I don't know the price of condoms on China, but I'm sure they're cheaper than taking care of a child lol
pearl stratus
When Adrian Peterson got indicted for Child Abuse he lost all of his endorsements.
AND the Vikings lost endorsements.
Companies pulled away from the team entireley.
Just because of him.
idle beacon
@coarse crestBossMKL#0398 isn't it in china that you aren't allowed havin tons of kids? so birth control should be damn cheap there
pearl stratus
Once shit comes to light you cut out the cancer quick.
pearl stratus
Yeah he had like 6 kids with 4 different women, etc, etc. It's super weird.
But either way the team suffered just for his actions.
They lost sponsorship from Raddison, Castrol, Nike and Wheaties.
idle beacon
the bigger / popular .. the more massive the whine
just because of a player
that's harsh ,eh
pearl stratus
That's business.
Public image is king.
So for Shanghai your public image is already tarnished. You're still winless, you just fired U4, you're hiring Koreans because you need the boost.
Then this happens with Undead?
Naaaaah fuck that.
Snip snip. We good.
Is it fair? Not really, your life is your own.
Did he sign a contract that most likely has a behavior clause? I'd bet.
idle beacon
who was u4 ?
pearl stratus
Van, their coach.
idle beacon
ah ok
pearl stratus
Who was already a horrible PR story.
idle beacon
the dude hiring this shit team in the first place?
pearl stratus
Among a lot of other things, yeah.
idle beacon
now that he is gone and undead can fck his brains out again .. SHD shud consider hiring some more of the old M Y team
or did all of them quit OW ?
pearl stratus
They're all back in OW.
A lot of them are underage.
Two or three of them are on their Contenders team though.
Plus Eileen.
idle beacon
who is eileen? i love that name already
pearl stratus
The MY Main Tank and Offtank are of age, but they hired Geguri and Fearlesss.
Eileen was an LGD player too, but one of the actually good ones
pearl stratus
I don't think any other tournament had an age restriction.
Because there's contracts involved in OWL they have to be 18.
idle beacon
so the 2 which were old enough, were both tanks .. and still SHD hired other players
omg
i still luv geguri .. but yea. stupid coaching work of SHD
pearl stratus
Eh Fearless and Geguri are probably better players overall, and without the rest of MY you hit cohesion issues. But I do agree.
I think Shanghai should probably release a support player and pick up two DPS, but thats me.
whole root
Is Geguri playing in stage 3? No offense, she probably won't make that much a difference but still nice to see new faces
idle beacon
ye she will
and well .. having a tank player with brains
and tank players with no brains
what would you pick? kuzan? ๐
pearl stratus
Ado needs some improvement but Fearless is good.
So they'll have two good tanks, Ado and Diya, and Sky+5King/Altering.
It's actually a solid roster.
They'll have four new players, which is pretty huge.
And Sky is Zen/Ana, which puts Freefeel on other supports. Huge covering of a big glaring issue.
pearl stratus
Actually its more that we've seen Ado and Fearless play.
idle beacon
i'm just kiddin ^^
pearl stratus
Geguri will be fine, her D'va is really good.
idle beacon
so is mg also gone?
pearl stratus
She was streaming with Dreamkazper yesterday.
No, MG is switching back to flex which is where he should have been.
His D'va is horrible but he plays other things actually pretty well.
His Roadhog is actually one of the better ones in the league, we just never knew.
pearl stratus
Nah, but Kazper was practicing his Korean.
pearl stratus
No, he just has Koreans on his team.
And using Korean call outs can be useful because some of them are more concise.
silk linden
they say the hero names weirdly, which I guess is faster for them though not in general. Other calls are actually probably faster in korean
"Tr Tr" doesn't exactly roll of the toungue better than "tracer tracer"
idle beacon
ah ok
koreans should learn english
lazy ass morons
i mean
it isn't prolly even much to learn
^^
silk linden
they do
but it's cool to meet people halfway
like, if you're in 
, might as well learn what the most frequently used callouts mean to facilitate Fissure's job
in case he slips up
it's kinda like most football players end up picking up some spanish and most Moto GP riders end up picking up some italian
knowing some korean in general will facilitate your life in the world of esports
idle beacon
in the world of blizz esports
there's no crap koreans in csgo
or other games
only LoL, most blizz games .. and ehm
thats it
how to the skandis doing it?
finns, sweds, danes?
norwegians
in one team
english? ๐ฎ
curious
idle beacon
true again
i've a swedish female mate .. she sounds more american than english
they're actually good at it
silk linden
they could speak to each other in their native tongues and sort of understand each other, but it would be needlessly complicated, might as well speak english
also again, because the language of the callouts is really specific. I don't even know if I could coordinate with a team speaking Italian or Spanish, even though I understand those languages
I'm just used to the english callouts and terminology
pearl stratus
For me being a western player to korean it would be the equivalent of when I worked in Kitchens throughout high school/college.
Whether you want to or not, you end up picking up some spanish because it makes your job easlier.
For someone like Dreamkazper picking up some korean is probably just easy and facilitates working with Gamsu and Striker more.
silk linden
it's always a good thing to pick up something about new languages anyway, and it's super easy to do when you work with so many foreigners. Cool to see Dream doing it, usually Americans are pretty stubborn about sticking to english
though since he's latino maybe he already knows some spanish too
pearl stratus
I actually think in the big picture DK would be a better face of the league (In the US) than Jake, but Jake has the pretty white boy thing going.
silk linden
Jake relishes it, which is also important
can't force dream into that position if he doesn't want
pearl stratus
I wouldn't say relishes it - that's a bit much. I think he just rolls with it because he's well spoken and realizes it could help later on.
Like transitioning to a desk position etc if he wanted.
silk linden
I agree, he would be good. I like player turned analysts, Reinforce is already the best analyst on the desk
like, imagine Seagull doing analysis
would blow everyone away
pearl stratus
Reinforce could do better, but he's still probably the best thinker of them. He needs better work on his being political. But at the same time its refreshing
silk linden
I guess he works well when paired with more traditional analysts then
though his perspective is super useful
pearl stratus
But again we just talked about Crumbz who is the least neutral person in the world.
torpid charm
y'all know who's my favorite analyst? Bren
silk linden
I mean, we're all just saying our faves escluding Soe anyway aren't we
torpid charm
shit you right
paper crag
korean callout is generally more concise imo
like you just say "lulululululululululululululululu"
for lucio lucio lucio lucio
solsolsolsolsolsolsolsolsolsolsol
mcmcmcmcmcmcmcmcmc
it's also interesting that there's a pretty set list of callouts that basically everyone uses
i don't think that's really the case in english using servers
for non-pro players, that is
i mean, yeah people say "monkey" "bubble" etc
torpid charm
with English sometimes there's whole sentences
paper crag
yeah
which is why korean is usually more concise
well, not that korean callouts aren't whole sentences
but they're usually shorter than english sentences for callout purposes
silk linden
babybay 
torpid charm
Babybay = Pepe the frog
silk linden
that would be xQc. Because he's banned 
torpid charm
nice one
the transfer window is closing in just a matter of days, I wonder if there are any more surprise changes
torpid charm
hell no
naive dawn
idle beacon
sbb quitting
torpid charm
xQc to Shock next season, just wait on it
SBB quits to become the #1 married man in the world
silk linden
xQc is still undecided whether to go back to OWL or go to Korea
he could very well keep streaming
silk linden
idk, he mentioned it a couple of times on stream he's received "offers from korea"
idle beacon
whom?
what would he be doin in korea?
and whats a b-string tank?
wearing a thong?
torpid charm
yes
idle beacon
torpid charm
torpid charm
ya that's her name
idle beacon
oh
pearl stratus
I'm worried when Flame says things I agree with.
balmy wolf
quote me on this, Shanghai dragons will win Wednesday
echo zinc
will brigitte come in the next stage?
slim summit
imo that is a mistake
OWL is gonna be 6 or 7 weeks behind
we need pros to play on the current patch so we know what the meta is!
twin dove
Takes one to know one amirite?
torpid charm
damn you right
idle beacon
who is dafran ?
quiet shell
isnt that the kid from mcdonalds
primal badge
Just asked xQc a question
Asking if he was competing for World Cup
Thats his response to joining World Cup ^^^
ember jewel
Will In N Out boy be there too?
solid spear
glacial sleet
taimouee
grizzled kayak
punch em in the jow
hidden vault
@gaunt acorn why not though? because it isn't out for Comp? but they have no reason to hold her back though.
gaunt acorn
pretty sure they announced she wouldn't be
hidden vault
it would attract more people to watch the league if Brigitte was out
what
really?
no april fools joke pls
hidden vault
I think it could be the other way
solid spear
thats not the play
thank goodness esports is terrible and this place is safe no one will come here
near ginkgo
red anvil
Its r/ow
scarlet spear
big fan of the new competitive overwatch subreddit style
tight vault
balmy wolf
hello i love rock and roll
sinful wren
The secret to greatness is the STFU about my gender" -Geguri
torpid charm
vestal mortar
Hehehe
silk linden
The way they responded sounds like they're not in on the joke, otherwise they might as well have gone along with it
Is April fools not a thing in korea
Though I assumed the social media manager would know about it
vestal mortar
silk linden
Then it's just a weak response
vestal mortar
There's this one too
silk linden
The effect one could very well be true though
vestal mortar
Exactly!
vestal mortar
Dynasty responded with thinking emojis again to the Effect one
sullen berry
Lmao
wet oyster
worked on my cousin
sullen berry
Before I leave this photo
His head is too skinny on the edges, I could tell from the chin before I even saw the font
wet oyster
i can't fix that, the lighting in their portraits is totally different, and the font is fine for people who don't pay super attention
someone probably could but I can't
wet oyster
you didn't wonder why undead was on the fuel? soldier76 alerted you?
torpid charm
YO OWL FUNNY ASHELL
brisk roost
But it would be really messed up if Undead legit joined Dallas lol
night shale
is this really a racist expression?
brisk roost
Lmfao
night shale
he removed video
outer sorrel
i mean it could be
torpid charm
yeah cause Tumblr clapping down on him for it
outer sorrel
it depends on the context
torpid charm
he was saying something about the Koreans. it was just hella ignorant of him to do that
night shale
i hope it's not intentional
outer sorrel
with that context it's unlikely that it's not intentional
torpid charm
it was a joke but a really bad one
lament dune
torpid charm
oh no I agree
I ain't hating on those who called him out for it because you should be. with people clapping down on him, he'll know not to do something like that again
rancid holly
Hey everyone I'm new
torpid charm
hi!
wet oyster
wait what are you guys talking aobut?
torpid charm
Eqo
tight vault
did you hear all of shanghai dragons have been released
cold plover
fallow raven
Ladies and gentlemen
torpid charm
y'all heard that Dallas Fuel disbanded?
magic zinc
Cant wait for a genuine announcement to come out today and we all laugh at it lmao
tight vault
Everyone on Dallas Fuel has been disbanded
torpid charm
Dallas Fuel who?
tight vault
LUL
sullen berry
We have to talk about the biggest Stat that never gets tracked in the OWL. How much sleep are all these players getting per 10 mins?
It would be calculated in the same manner all other stats per 10 mins are measured,
fading wasp
Approximately 47
sullen berry
We have absolutely no idea but the numbers line up really well
fading wasp
47
sullen berry
The answer to the meaning of life equates to the perfect score achievable for most sleep in seconds over 10 mins
There are 1440 minutes in a day
47 seconds over 1 day would be 1440/10 ร 47
6, 768 seconds
Divide that by 60 for mins
And another 60 to get the number of hours of sleep an average owl player gets in-game on a given day of play
1.88 Hours sleep
tight vault
wow
balmy wolf
sweet hamlet
what do youguys think will happen to EQO
torpid charm
I'm trynna send a screenshot of his "apology" so y'all could see it but it won't send
tbh idk
silk linden
I mean, it's at least a 1 match ban and a 1k fine, though it should be more
torpid charm
ya
silk linden
xQc got 4x that for something that wasn't even racist
silk linden
probably nothing massive, but definitely something
torpid charm
ya
silk linden
he did something stupid, he's a kid
like, I can't pretend I wasn't a dumb 18 year old too
tbh that thing might not even be considered culturally insensitive in some countries
it's casual racism that often goes unchecked
sweet hamlet
i saw his apology, but it is still racist
and if xQc gets a 4k fine for an emote, EQO should definitely get a fine and suspension for 1
ruby pendant
racism isn't real!
desert creek
Happy Easter! โ
twin dove
please tell me there's more to this then slanted eyes
gentle jetty
twin dove
the PC police involved in the OWL are a meme of their own lol
cobalt fossil
anyone watching contenders?
silk linden
sure, but once you know what behaviour they don't wan't, it's pretty easy to avoid
twin dove
why should you have to avoid something like slanty eyes
silk linden
like, they punished Tryhard emotes, it's not that hard to realize making slanted eyes isn't a good thing
twin dove
or a trihard7 emote when a black dude is on screen
torpid charm
because it's fucking rude lol
silk linden
it is what it is
twin dove
Looks pretty dam funny to me lol
torpid charm
lol okay
silk linden
my point is, it's not that hard to stick to that code of conduct, regardless if you agree with it
cobalt fossil
it is if your a loud mouthed narcissist that loves the sound of his own voice.
silk linden
or just a dumb kid who plays videogames for a living
twin dove
I guess joke police will be joke police
silk linden
"joke"
twin dove
yes, a joke.
doing a known characteristic of asian people in a symbolic gesture to say "Look I'm korean" is indeed a joke
silk linden
my point is you're defending "jokes" that weren't even that funny
like, how hard is it to not do stupid shit
torpid charm
lol anyways, OWL is having a field day with April Fools and I love it
silk linden
just, don't
twin dove
who the fuck is trying to make "Fun" of someone for having a character trait
lol
or racial trait w/e
sry i meant to say "Insult"
not "Fun"
cobalt fossil
he didn't even think it through that far, he just did it.
torpid charm
ANYWAYS y'all seen Custa put LA Valiant over his Dallas Fuel thing on his stream? I love it
cobalt fossil
there are a million way more funny racist things he could have said
if humor was the goal
twin dove
its like if I call someone a bitch
silk linden
magus, stop
twin dove
I'm not thinking they are some dog or some crap
silk linden
you're the only one arguing that what he did wasn't bad at all
like, that's not even arguable
supple prism
Doesn't matter what you are thinking, it's how people take it
torpid charm
and Fissure switching accounts with Birdring on Twitter? hilarious
silk linden
we may argue how it wasn't meant in a bad way, but it definitely wasn't a cool thing to do
twin dove
subjective, thought it was funny, was "Cool" enough for me
silk linden
and if you don't get that then I don't know how to convey it to you
cobalt fossil
probably just a loyal fan
silk linden
nah he just probably actually thinks that doing slanty eyes and saying "I'm korean" is 100% not a bad thing to do
twin dove
sarcastic comment was meant for dfrnz
for u Veex i'll go with "Yes, it was 100% not a bad thing to do."
silk linden
then you're an idiot, blocked
cobalt fossil
but it lost him his $50k a year job. isn't that bad?
supple prism
It's up to blizzard
twin dove
or I'm not someone who lets every little thing trigger him
but sure, lets go with the name calling, makes you the bigger person.
lol
ruby pendant
Racism isn't real!
torpid charm
boooooi
cobalt fossil
anyone watching contenders?
torpid charm
who's playing rn?
cobalt fossil
x2 and mayhem just finished a match i think
torpid charm
oh wow
Fusion Uni plays on Tuesday so I definitely need to watch that
y'all think there's gonna be any other transfers or trades that'll happen?
cobalt fossil
has dallas started to win yet? lol
silk linden
their last two losses weren't depressing
torpid charm
ya
cobalt fossil
that's almost a start
silk linden
and that's all we get for now, yeah
torpid charm
who was the last team they played in stage 2?
silk linden
we can just hope,hope that they don't fuck up their lineup come stage 3
london
3-1
torpid charm
okay yeah that was a pretty good game
silk linden
their latest lineup was the best they've looked since when they had xQc
seagull has to play dva over mickie, mickie has to play winston because he's the best one at it, custa has to start
the rest can vary tbh
ruby pendant
lol, they will have the same fate
silk linden
they have SHD on the first day, that's doable
unless SHD become monsters in these few days
torpid charm
I fucking hope
cobalt fossil
seagull on dva would be fun to watch
silk linden
did you not watch Dallas's last two matches?
ruby pendant
He did decent, wasn't bad
cobalt fossil
nice, will do
silk linden
the NYXL players praised him tons after the game, but tbh they're probably fanboys
seagull is pretty popular in korea
cobalt fossil
i enjoy his stream.
torpid charm
they love Seagull
cobalt fossil
my game awareness isn't high enough to judge him against other pros, to be honest.
i just assumed his mains aren't as good as his teammates
silk linden
he's super consistent in general, and amazingly flexible
he legit can pick up any hero with some practice
cobalt fossil
i used to watch him a lot when he played zarya all the time
silk linden
and has great game sense
cobalt fossil
he was a tf2 player too
torpid charm
they had that man practicing for ages and it paid off
cobalt fossil
i wonder how they practice.
0-4 
whole mulch
Can't wait for shanghai vs fuel
warped axle
Dallas vs Fuel
inner coyote
warped axle
Erin was so cringy
molten skiff
So
I didnt know london didnt have gm until now
I thought the guy who left was headcoah
wet oyster
guys my meme was on mykl's video, have i made it in life now?
silk linden
that's a shame that you will carry forever
wet oyster
nope i'm embracing it and running with it
from now on my title will be "djavaisadog, maker of meme that was in mykl's video"
silk linden
warped axle
= ๐ฉ
stable yoke
wet oyster
wrong channel
dusk garden
that better be an april fools joke
if dallas really stole undead
im gonna stop watching owl
brisk roost
Lmao
vernal obsidian
undead left OWL, ya sillies
hidden vault
I heard Envy is to be traded off Valiant but got rejected
Is Envy Valiant's main Dva?
red anvil
Probably Space now
gritty bramble
๐ 
vestal mortar
Yeah I have seen quite a few people asking for a real one haha
hidden vault
I feel that ARHAN doesn't fit with the Outlaws
silk linden
They were the only team without Koreans up until now
I think
Do have Koreans, excluding Sinatraa?
torpid charm
nah, Sinatraa is the only one.
silk linden
Oh they just picked Architect
silk linden
I guess they were technically in a similar situation to Houston until architect
pearl stratus
Arhan is a weird choice, I don't disagree. But I think Houston is just in a weird spot anyway.
They've acknowledged they're stuck because they didnt' fix issues from Stage 1 because the meta fit their team comp so well.
And it bit them in the ass a bit.
And as much as couch warriors demand to just bench Jake for a tracer, it doesn't work like t hat.
torpid charm
I can't believe they rode out with those issues for that long
pearl stratus
It's easy to ignore them if they're not a problem at the time.
silk linden
Inb4 they beat 
again at the beginning of the next stage
pearl stratus
Stage 1 was basically "Everyone gets to play on their best hero" so the issues didn't seem big.
Once they needed to swap around the problem turned out to be bigger
silk linden
Yeah but not as big as people say tbh
pearl stratus
I'm judging by what they say.
silk linden
They went 5-5, not too terrible
pearl stratus
Their last focus video was actually really good.
silk linden
They can bounce back
pearl stratus
And Flame doesn't sound like quite such a moron when he's prepared, lol
He made the Moneyball argument, which I tend to agree with.
silk linden
I wanna see them play with linkzr on tracer and clockwork on flex dps. Because why the fuck not
pearl stratus
Clockwork probably won't play again, for a while.
silk linden
If that doesn't work at all, then might as well drop/permabench CW
pearl stratus
I think holding him isn't bad, releasing Mendo should be first.
silk linden
Yeah
pearl stratus
Since Mendo, historically, is pretty useless.
Not just Houston.
He's been benched/selfsat on a LOT of teams.
He's a funny as hell kid though.
torpid charm
#FreeMendo
hidden vault
why let linkzer play tracer when clockwork is a tracer main
pearl stratus
Clockwork is a worse tracer with less flex.
silk linden
CW can definitely stay as a backup, though the OWL teams still have to figure out how to handle their benches
hidden vault
mendo???
pearl stratus
Mendo is a whiny little twat.
hidden vault
he plays tracer too
pearl stratus
Long story short.
silk linden
If you bench players too much they get Rusty and ask to leave
hidden vault
whiny little twat?
pearl stratus
Mendo is self sat right now, which most people don't realize.
hidden vault
sounds like Dallas material
torpid charm
pearl stratus
They think its some major huge conspiracy.
But he thinks he'd be worse for the team.
And he historically has had issues integrating with groups.
hidden vault
they should send him to dallas for seagull lul
pearl stratus
Honestly the more I watch their stuff, I actually think their plan to have both Jake and Linkzr grind out Tracer isn't a bad one long term.
torpid charm
nah keep Seagull where he is
pearl stratus
Short term it would make sense to get a new tracer.
But long term I actually don't dislike their plan.
Their last focus was interesting - Flame acknowledged he can't really bench Jake. Not because of any sort of skill.
But call outs/game sense wise its hugely noticeable when he's on stage.
And you can't really bench Linkzr cause dat Widow.
Call outs aren't that easy at the pro level by all views. Because its not just target priority.
It's also keeping track of enemy ults and usage estimation, which seems daunting af.
hidden vault
seagull wants to be traded off dallas
pearl stratus
Until it happens or Seagull himself says it, I don't really care.
Third party sources from Slasher are whatever.
And honestly the teams would be smart to come together and start leaking intentionally wrong information.
To lose him a job.
pearl stratus
No, a source said.
pearl stratus
If the teams were smart they'd start leaking false information.
And dumpster the dude.
It'd be the best thing.
hidden vault
how can jaker tracer while doing call outs lol
pearl stratus
Eh it becomes a long term vs short term moneyball thing.
Arhan most likely got picked up because Tairong and him have a history and he's got a decent attitude. And if he works up a flex pool its even better.
People with really small hero pools in DPS are getting very rare in OWL minus the ones that irreplaceable.
Which is basically just Saebyolbe.
And even he has a decent sized pool. He just doesn't need to use it because he has Libero.
Same goes for Striker and Dreamkazper actually.
pearl stratus
Saebyolbe has a really good Widow/McCree and a few more
He just rarely needs to play them.
torpid charm
no, SBB can play Tracer and Mcree mainly but that's still small.
pearl stratus
Since Libero can flex to anything.
wet oyster
feelsbadman pine will never go in bc both other dps play mccree and widow
hidden vault
why did sfs get Architect though, they have 4 dps and now 5
torpid charm
that's the same with Eqo and Carpe or Eqo and Snillo.
wet oyster
oh thats true
pearl stratus
Because they needed a more specialized genji.
torpid charm
SF is getting ready for the 6 DPS meta
hidden vault
shadowburn
pearl stratus
As much as Danteh has done a great job grinding it out.
Shadowburn is a useless dps currently.
hidden vault
SF is getting ready for the 6 DPS meta
is this a joke?
pearl stratus
He only has a two hero pool.
torpid charm
nah :~)
hidden vault
so they need 1 more dps?
wet oyster
he's the only good pharah though @pearl stratus
hidden vault
shadowburn is good with genji
pearl stratus
I mean I'd argue Libero is just as good, unless you're talking Philly only.
pearl stratus
At which point Eqo is good enough considering what he can rotate too if your Pharah doesn't work.
hidden vault
pretty op when he and capre played the dive meta
pearl stratus
If you put in SDB and he's on Pharah he's only Pharah or Genji, its super transparent to the other team.
wet oyster
that's true
but on oasis or lijiang they probably know that you want to run a pharah anyway
pearl stratus
Eqo has Roadhog, Dva, Pharah, Widow, Tracer (not as good as Carpe or Snillo, but not bad), McCree, Junkrat, Genji.
wet oyster
and they can use it to juke them out or use genji anyway
pearl stratus
I think I'm missing one or two.
torpid charm
I see Eqo on Tracer as MG on Tracer but better, not amazing but he can do work if needed
pearl stratus
No, he's not. But you can get away with slightly worse when you have options.
torpid charm
same with his Pharah
pearl stratus
I like SDB, I think he's probably the best Genji in the league.
torpid charm
SDB is def the better Pharah
pearl stratus
But his hero pool is too limited.
hidden vault
SDB? who is that?
pearl stratus
Shadowburn
hidden vault
oh
wet oyster
if kirby agreed, then he would be in whenever they ran genji
but he's not
eqo is basically always in
pearl stratus
The problem is you don't always run Genji for both points.
hidden vault
why though
wet oyster
they often do though
torpid charm
yeah that's why he hasn't been seeing as much play time, far from a bar player. amazing. but that wide hero pool is needed so it's Eqo
wet oyster
but like they usually do run genji both points
pearl stratus
Yeah, they do. But I guess its more the option to audible it mid game.
If you put in Shadowburn you basically can only run genji for both points.
torpid charm
SDB hasn't played since vs. Houston, kinda sucks because there has been a few situations where he could be of use imo but that's not my decision
pearl stratus
Also Shadowburn is -not- aggressive.
pearl stratus
And this current meta really favors aggressive play style.
I do too.
Not on that particular hero.
But on what he can bring to a table.
pearl stratus
Shadowburn is like AKM.
Great on that one job they can do.
Completely useless in every other situation.
torpid charm
that sucks
wet oyster
what do you mean, akm is super flexible, he's a better genji than rascal
torpid charm
I'm really hoping to see more of him in stage 3 because as a Philly fan it hurts
HAHAHA
aKm best gengu in the league
pearl stratus
Right now the really successful teams have their tracer/widow, then the other DPS plays a million things.
hidden vault
PF should probably trade HOTBA and DayFly away since poko and Boombox
pearl stratus
That's literally every successful team right now.
With the exception being LAG, who have a weird rotation.
hidden vault
is that seoul?
torpid charm
what
wet oyster
idk if anyone would really want them though nicetoeat
hidden vault
Fleta on everything
torpid charm
I don't think they'd really wanna get rid of them either
wet oyster
joemeister now, they could totally trade him
pearl stratus
Hotba was useful when Poko was learning how to D'va a bit better.
wet oyster
i bet he would go to shock
pearl stratus
He had to learn to be a defensive D'va as opposed to a bombing D'va.
hidden vault
no need but get them for other better players or those that fit
wet oyster
i miss the bombing dva
torpid charm
they've got the 12 Man roster though so it's good for like internal scrims but other than that idk
pearl stratus
I mean you want 12 for internal scrims realistically.
pearl stratus
It's not a bad idea to have your bench be a 2:2:2 or a 1:3:2.
wet oyster
but then they're paying 6 peopel that basically just dont play
torpid charm
but also I can't even say that they're subs for when they get sick because Neptuno has an ear infection for a few days and that man still played
pearl stratus
Also having people on the bench who have different strengths and weaknesses is huge.
Because they can point out flaws and help the main player grow.
I'm sure Spree sitting on the bench with his Zarya works with the other main tanks on other issues too.
Also competition makes for better players, imo.
If you have another main tank on your bench who is super hungry to be a starter.
It forces the current main tank to be just as hungry or more, and grind it out too.
torpid charm
^^^
hidden vault
then the sub players are just sad
pearl stratus
I mean are they really though?
torpid charm
that's literally how it is because in my sport, y'all may be a team but it's a competition because the teammates
pearl stratus
They're being paid a minimum of 50k/yr to help their team out and scrim.
hidden vault
especially if they are equally as good
pearl stratus
Would you be sad being paid 50k a year to practice OW?
torpid charm
yeah we don't know that for sure
hidden vault
I believe everyone should get a time to play
torpid charm
some players are vocal about how they feel but other than that it's a true mystery
torpid charm
not everyone can have time to play, that's not always how it works
pearl stratus
Participation trophies are for pussies.
hidden vault
best if their playtime reflects their skill
pearl stratus
I believe you play your best team of players.
And note: I said best team of players.
Not best players.
Because your best players may not make the best team.
torpid charm
your playtime doesn't always reflect your skill
pearl stratus
Cohesion and teamwork is way more important than individual skill barring huge differences.
torpid charm
^^^
pearl stratus
So you play the six best people who work together.
Even if it means a better player gets benched for it sometimes.
torpid charm
like I've been playing OW since the game came out. I've put a shit ton a time into that game but I'm still a pretty shit player besides the fact that you can't prosper on console
pearl stratus
Basically if you've never watched the movie Moneyball, or read the Moneyball story.
It's that.
hidden vault
Moneyball?
pearl stratus
Yeah, it was a redesign on how to look at how you draft a baseball team. Boring in concept, but interesting. You don't always need to go for these big name players with huge expensive contracts.
He broke players down based on their skills and what was needed, turned them entirely into numbers. And then he put together a team around those numbers, often saving a lot of money in the process because he ended up building a team with compatible and cohesive skills.
Lots of teams still use the practice today.
hidden vault
Yeah I agree
But the team would probably mix best if they see each other as equals
Not I'm the star player and you guys support me
Attitude counts
pearl stratus
Well yeah, otherwise you get Dallas. But I don't think most teams have that issue.
You have value based on hero pool more than anything.
wet oyster
thta the opposite of what happen with valiant and the sister team thoguh
they were totally unequal
the sister team was below the owl tema
hidden vault
Yeah for equals their skill levels have to be similar too in that case
What happened to Valiant's sister team?
torpid charm
Coach Moon cane in and was like "this shit? goodbye" so no more sister team
pearl stratus
Also you know.
Every team in the league made fun of them for it.
Snillo gets brought to In&Out.
wet oyster
to be fair, his walkouts were lame
torpid charm
he's got to walk out like twice y'all gotta give the Slim Thicc boi some time
wet oyster
is that his name?
torpid charm
that's what I call him
opaque cargo
kinda crazy that Seoul is third place by a significant margin
wet oyster
they're just the worst korean team overall
fleta's been underperforming, rjh is not aging super well, and miro doesn't do well in pressure
torpid charm
everyone was afraid of big bad Seoul in the beginning now it's just Seoul? LUL
wet oyster
he's not a supergod zen like jjonak anyway
torpid charm
I agree
wet oyster
S E U L
torpid charm
torpid charm
honestly
opaque cargo
it's quite entertaining that jjonak singlehandedly got zen nerfed
pearl stratus
On a side note, SDB might get some play time anyway.
Depending on if Eqo gets fined or suspended.
torpid charm
true
limber pine
he'll probably get fined, based off other infractions
torpid charm
Philly discord has been up in flames about the shit