esports-discussion

[whole mulch]

I think for hollywood, eqo played pretty much only genji

[slim summit]

sometimes we just need some plays

[silk linden]

then again EQO was a bench boy as well

[whole mulch]

and he had some NA blades

and feeds

[silk linden]

and SDB was working fine

but idk, boombox and neptuno are pretty lit

[indigo barn]

Shadowburn outplayed libero on genji 100%

[fallow raven]

yeah but joemeister is canadian

[silk linden]

I can't literally think of any reason to take one of them out

maybe with brigitte meta, we'll see

though that's stage 4

SDB outplays anyone on genji, that's besides the point

[torpid charm]

Sado comes back stage 4, very excited for that

[silk linden]

rip Fragi?

sadface

[torpid charm]

maybe

[indigo barn]

Winston Reinhardt orisa brigette zarya all shield comp

[silk linden]

he's one of the few old school tanks remaining

[wet oyster]

fragi's gotten way better, it depends how good sado is

[fallow raven]

How much do you think brigitte will affect Winston/Dva dive combo

[whole mulch]

Fragi's rein plays during playoffs

[silk linden]

dva not much

[whole mulch]

Mmm

[fallow raven]

does anyone really believe she will make a dent in either of those characters pick rates?

[wet oyster]

she's a big issue for flankers

not the tanks

[fallow raven]

a 4.2k sr dva player told me brigitte will be tough on dva

i disagree but hes higher SR than me

so he has to be right?

[torpid charm]

he's very good according to other Koreans in the league @wet oyster

[silk linden]

the thing with winston and dva is, they get in fast, get damage, survive, get out

[whole mulch]

Hm

[silk linden]

literally no other tank can do that

[fallow raven]

she can stop them from getting in by cutting their jump in half

[silk linden]

and briggitte doesn't prevent that too much

[fallow raven]

mid air

which can kill a winston

putting him out of position

same with dva

[wet oyster]

you have to be good to carry other gm games @torpid charm

[slim summit]

so could ana

[fallow raven]

not same cd

[silk linden]

the whip stop isn't that easy to pull off

yeah exactly so could ana in theory

[fallow raven]

so ana + brig + hog

[torpid charm]

@wet oyster you right you right

[fallow raven]

thats 3 characters who can do irt

now

so that logic doesnt exactly work

because she can work WITH ana

what im saying is, the more abilities you add to counter high mobility, the less effective winston dva will be

[wet oyster]

well people say brig works best with rein, and rein comps are really bad vs dive so she will have trouble countering dive imo

[silk linden]

brigitte needs a lucio, but then you don't have many heals and miss out on the damage ana, zen, moira and mercy provide

[fallow raven]

a 4.2k dva player is the one who told me this stuff or else i wouldnt necessarily agree

but i am gonna trust his word

he could be wrong

[silk linden]

brigitte works with rein but hard counters rein too

[slim summit]

D.va is definitely going to be less effective

[wet oyster]

not nescessarily right though

[slim summit]

with the pretty meaningful micro missile nerf and introduction of Brigitte

[silk linden]

the missile nerf is good

[limber pine]

----------------------------------------------------
NA Overwatch Contenders is live!

TODAY'S MATCHES:
7:00 PM EDT: EnVision vs Bye Week
9:00 PM EDT: NRG Esports vs OpTic Academy
11:00 PM EDT: Simplicity vs Fusion University

Join #esports-discussion for live chat of the games!

Watch live at:
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[slim summit]

plus Sombra is going to probably be better?

[wet oyster]

nobody really cares about contenders that much though

[fallow raven]

although sombra is good against all tanks so

I care about contenders

Toronto Esports

[wet oyster]

i like F U but they're not super interesting

[silk linden]

sombra may be good against tanks, but she has less damage than other dps

[fallow raven]

toronto has some star KR talent

who fuck shit up

[silk linden]

you gotta kill those tanks once you hack them

[slim summit]

Reaper is buffed too

Hack lets you use any ultimate as long as you play it right

[fallow raven]

taking away dvas DM is huge even if u dont kill her

[slim summit]

but if that will happen remains to be seen

[whole mulch]

Toronto would be an OWL team

but they raised the price to join OWL

[silk linden]

sombra+reaper could work, but the standard dps combos still seem better

[slim summit]

Being able to block trans, or block matrix

[whole mulch]

Toronto can't get the money

[wet oyster]

well it's only taking away DM for a second

[silk linden]

unless reaper replaces tracer

[slim summit]

IDK, i'm falling into the trap

[fallow raven]

4 seconds

is a long time

[slim summit]

where Sombra is so good on paper

[fallow raven]

in high SR games

[slim summit]

but not actually that good

[wet oyster]

4 seconds?

she doesnt stun for 4 seconds

or do you mean sombra

[fallow raven]

oh sombra

and i think its s6

my b

[whole mulch]

They're talking about sombra

[wet oyster]

oh ok

[idle beacon]

i don't like you

question: best gaming monitor ??

[wet oyster]

price range?

[idle beacon]

i dont care

but not bigger than 25 or so

[wet oyster]

whatever 240hz monitor

https://www.amazon.com/PG258Q-G-SYNC-eSports-Gaming-Monitor/dp/B06WRP3F5S 25in 240hz montior

and it's g-sync

and it has a cool light that comes out the bottom

its the one they use for owl actually

[idle beacon]

what brand is it ?

benQ ?

asus?

u sure?

ASUS?

U SURE?

[wet oyster]

asus

yeah

why not?

[idle beacon]

dunno man

i know aoc

benq

samsung are building good screens

never heard of asus being good

[wet oyster]

asus is reputable

[idle beacon]

i use asus mainboards

since years

but that's about it

[wet oyster]

you can also get an acer predator 240hz but i hear it's worse

a little cheaper

https://www.amazon.com/Acer-XB252Q-bmiprz-24-5-inch-1920x1080/dp/B01N34Q6LF

[idle beacon]

money ain't the problem

[torpid charm]

money ain't a problem? pls buy me a gaming laptop so I can get to OWL

[idle beacon]

@torpid charm get a decent gaming gear

no fuckin trash laptop

how can one play on a laptop, man?

[torpid charm]

too poor and not enough space

[idle beacon]

too poor and NOT enough space?

^^

[torpid charm]

YES

I can't type

[idle beacon]

come over, son

play here

4 pc's here

4 big smart tvs

big house .. it's not only me here 😄

i don't have 4 tvs

[torpid charm]

I'm trynna be like the best D.va players in the league except I'm small and not a boy

[idle beacon]

i dont get that

what?

you don't know how old i am

[torpid charm]

what

I'm talking about me

[idle beacon]

king leonidas was a good friend of mine

[torpid charm]

yo Nevix doesn't get enough love as a D.va player, he is very underrated imo

[idle beacon]

poko

no other names needed

ok?

oh

seagull

[torpid charm]

Seagull

Poko, NotE, Bischu, Nevix, Coolmatt, Zunba. all my favs

[twilit mulch]

coolmatt and poko are the best dvas in the lague

league

from what ive seen

[paper crag]

I thought poko was korean for the longest time because i didn’t watch philly games until last week

[twilit mulch]

always been a philly fan lul

[torpid charm]

Philly fans = best fans

[sullen berry]

Lowkey loving Philly more as I see more upsets from them

At this rate I'm really happy with what they have pulled off in comparison of the their last two stage performances

[slim summit]

man, Houston and Valiant both dropped a ton

between Stage 1 and Stage 2

Philly & Glads climbed a ton

I'd like to see the next stage .... I don't think quite as much will have changed in balance

[brisk roost]

Houston really got caught off guard that's why

But at least they still stood up towards the end of Stage 2

Ez win over Shanghai and a huge win on Seoul

[hidden vault]

Bos climbed a bit too

[brisk roost]

Can't wait for Stage 3 tho

The underdogs could potentially climb up

[ruby pendant]

wow April 4th is when stage 3 starts

Thought there was a game tomorrow

[hidden vault]

Looks like we need to wait another season for the league playerd to incorporate Brigitte into their strategy

[rare sonnet]

Houston and Philly will be making stage 3 playoffs HMU in 5 weeks

all atlantic playoff 3 times running poggers

[torpid charm]

[broken fog]

I hate axxiom

why he join?

axxiom fka quinas and he also boosted other account

[median zodiac]

i was wondering why xqc was on a team

didnt take much googling to find out why

[plucky elm]

[median zodiac]

wasnt* oops

[supple prism]

Why

I'm lazy

[median zodiac]

toxic homophobe

[ember raptor]

@plucky elm

[tawny sigil]

What did OGE get suspended for?

[scarlet spear]

boosting

[silk linden]

https://image.ibb.co/kDbnen/Screenshot_20180328_114313.jpg

Now this is what I like to hear

It's what I said, sister teams are actually an idea that can work

[gaunt acorn]

tell that to the valiant

[silk linden]

Again, what valiant are doing isn't bad in theory

[warped axle]

Valiant are hot garbage

[red anvil]

valient is just showing the shit that goes on in the inside, if it positive or not - dosent really matter, the problems they are showing are not exclusive to valient

consequences of starting with a rooster that is twice as big as what was the standard prior to OWL

[next flint]

Whos gonna win?

i think that Outlaw or One of the Korean teams is gonna win

[deft valley]

Philly's roster is the full 12 too and they didn't have those issues

[next flint]

ye

[red anvil]

Philly did the right pickups, Valient dident unfortunatly. And who know how SDB feels now? He was a super star DPS now benched from what was a no name.

And i dont ever recall seing jormeister?

[lament dune]

Valiant* Didn't*

Seeing*

[scarlet spear]

valiant better have some good health and fitness coaches for their team with the amount of IN N OUT they get

[torpid charm]

[pearl stratus]

The Stage 3 Map list makes me very very sad.

It's like a Stage of my least favorite maps.

[lament dune]

Where is list?

[scarlet spear]

whats the pool ?

[torpid charm]

hold up I'll send the link

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/87myec/overwatch_league_stage_3_map_pool_released/

it's basically a mix of stage 1 and stage 2 maps with Blizzard World added and the same control maps.

hoping that Oasis is the tiebreaker for stage 3

[pearl stratus]

Sorry, yeah Yung posted it.

I like Anubis, but beyond that visually the other maps were all pretty meh that we've seen before.

Also with the removal of a useful Sombra this could be interesting for things like Volskaya.

[torpid charm]

they made a few changes to Blizzard World, still not excited to see that map ever but it will be pretty interesting to see how much of a shit show it'll be for teams

[pearl stratus]

It's really nice on PTR right now.

They really fixed up Point 2.

But I don't know if that will make it into Stage 3.

[lament dune]

I was about to ask about the change, then I remembered.

[red anvil]

There are no official confirmation what patch stage 3 will run on

Probably a weird custom patch

[torpid charm]

I haven't played on the map since it was fixed, so maybe when I get home I'll check it out

[pearl stratus]

I hope they allow the new blizz map to go through, but not reaper and stuff.

Current PTR Reaper is a monster that still needs some balancing.

[torpid charm]

too soon for the Reaper stuff I think

[solemn crypt]

Any Houston Outlaw fans

[vestal mortar]

👀

[magic zinc]

Temple of Anubis - Blizzard World - Junkertown all in 1 match

I really hope the Blizzard World changes are in for stage 3 they gotta hurry that one up

But its probbaly already too late

[brisk roost]

Right here fam

[lament dune]

You know, watching OWL games can help with strats on how to attack the point. Then again, Dive is the OWL meta, so..... probably won't be too helpful.

[granite violet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/295679305772564481/428398550662250496/unknown.png
Gotta love the support of OW esports.

[pearl stratus]

If the map changes for Blizz World don't go in for Stage 3 no one will learn anything, since we'll have the not aids Blizzworld map.

[lament dune]

True

Might learn a thing or two about first and third though.

I haven't experienced the whole map yet in Comp. I usually get Def first and lock them out, then just have to get a single tick.

[rare sonnet]

Coaches need to grow some balls and tell their players to get good if they want damn playtime

I'm happy with SDB on the bench if he is underperforming at this moment in time

If new Blizzworld isn't in stage 3 then its an actual joke

they need to schedule the updates properly so OWL meta isn't useless

[lament dune]

It’s already useless to anyone not already playing at that level

[pearl stratus]

Golds can total coordinate dive.

[lament dune]

What if you're not good at Genji/Tracer/Winston/D.Va/Moira/Zen?

Because, that's like, all OWL uses.

[silk linden]

the only hero hard to learn in there is genji

the rest are easy

[lament dune]

Not untrue, but damn is that list of heroes used boring.

[pearl stratus]

Eh Tracer is hard to use well.

Simple in terms of aim for head.

Hard in terms of super optimal cooldown usage and knowing limits.

[silk linden]

3 blink then recall my guy

[deft valley]

okay but what if I want to not be on SF

[silk linden]

are you shitting on 150k a year

[pearl stratus]

No, I leave that to every other Tracer in the league.

[torpid charm]

[balmy wolf]

Hey

[rare sonnet]

Genji having a high skill floor is a misconception I see every day

Low-ish skill floor, high skill ceiling

you just can't pull off the flashy solocarry stuff if you're low down, but can still get plenty of value

[granite violet]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DYooEuaVQAAADK9.jpg:large

[tall sentinel]

https://twitter.com/PHL_Fusion/status/979085992740163587

Philadelphia Fusion (@PHL_Fusion)

Worried about @overwatchsnillo's performance in Stage 3, @BLT decided to take him to In N' Out... https://t.co/5PcsDwl6yY

▶ Play video

Twitter

[torpid charm]

[silk linden]

that's how they do it in-n-out

[magic zinc]

Thats beautiful

[pearl stratus]

Lmao. So much shade getting throwing by teams in such a proper way now.

It's great.

Minus Fissure, who went ballistic over boosters the other night.

But hey, we need that too.

I'm calling it in advance that Fissure is going to get an unsportsmanlike conduct fine.

Because he'll play against Sado and OGE and they'll need to shake hands.

And he'll flat out ghost them.

[torpid charm]

I remember before he said that he wasn't shaking Sado's hand once they're able to play each other

[pearl stratus]

I mean there's like a 25% chance we'll get a real life primal rage on him on stage.

We'll find out.

[torpid charm]

I would shake Sado's hand

[pearl stratus]

I understand why pros won't. Because there's players who didn't boost that are still stuck without teams.

And then you get someone like Sado who is guilty of something that has legislation attaching jail time to it in the Korean government right now.

Also he's banned from Korean e-sports, but OWL became an escape for him that subverts rules..

I wonder though.

[torpid charm]

ya I know

[pearl stratus]

If they go back to Korea.

Will Sado even be allowed to play?

[torpid charm]

I'm gonna say yes because OWL isn't Korean Esports

but then again I'm not sure

but I assume yes

[pearl stratus]

I think it breaks down to how the group wants to handle it, because its bad PR to publicize someone who is banned.

[torpid charm]

ya

[silk linden]

OGE won't be eligible for the dallas - glads match, and I'm not sure if Sado will be eligible for the glad - philly match this stage either

so, it might all be postponed to stage 4

[torpid charm]

Sado isn't back in until stage 4

[pearl stratus]

As long as Uber and Mr. X cast Fissure kicking the shit out of Sado I'll be fine with it.

No fines, no penalties.

[torpid charm]

anybody touches Sado I'm swinging

he's such a sweet boy

[pearl stratus]

I think an assault charge is actually a lower fine/jail time in Korea than boosting.

So Fissure could actually come out ahead.

[torpid charm]

yeah, they take it very seriously over there.

[pearl stratus]

Blizzard should start, and should probably just sanction anyone who is ineligible to play in their local tournaments.

I bet it will actually happen soon enough.

[silk linden]

Seagull streaming right now ❤

[daring path]

ey wtf geguri plays at 19 sens 800 dpi

thats high as heck

[hidden osprey]

wonder how long it'll be before she gets some sort of wrist injury

[limber pine]

----------------------------------------------------
NA Overwatch Contenders is live!

TODAY'S MATCHES:
7:00 PM EDT: Last Night's Leftovers vs Mayhem Academy
9:00 PM EDT: Toronto Esports vs Gladiators Legion
11:00 PM EDT: Grizzlys Esports vs XL2 Academy

Join #esports-discussion for live chat of the games!

Watch live at:
🇬🇧 : : https://www.twitch.tv/overwatchcontenders

Full schedule:
🗓 https://contenders.playoverwatch.com/en-us/schedule

[silk linden]

I'd say Geguri's English lessons are going well https://78.media.tumblr.com/e9d3abd0576c6ca1d32662e18661e4b4/tumblr_inline_p6b1zdlQMk1ruqb7f_400.jpg

[slim summit]

lol

[hidden vault]

Who is better? Silkthread or Agilities?

[ruby pendant]

@hidden vault Asher!

[torpid charm]

I barely even remember how Silkthread plays

finna watch some VODs

[silk linden]

Agilities was mind-blowing in the world cup

Dunno now

That the valiant treatment shattered his psyche

[elfin ermine]

Is Brigitte gonna be in the next stage of overwatch League?

[pearl stratus]

No

[elfin ermine]

Really? Thats so lame...

[hidden vault]

What's with the Valiant Treatment????

I heard that valiant gave Agilities a last chance to "prove" himself

[torpid charm]

[pearl stratus]

She won't be into comp till Season 10, which is still 29 days out.

Which is the direct fault of the players crying about how fast heroes like Doomfist went into comp, and how many games were ruined because of it.

So basically.

Players cried.

Brigitte in Season 10.

Players still cried.

[elfin ermine]

Its Really dumb that they did that considering season 9 just started

[pearl stratus]

Thats besides the point. They listened to their players.

Players said 'Don't release things into Comp mid season.'

Blizzard said 'Okay'

Now they're all being REEEEEEtarded about what they said.

[elfin ermine]

And I thought perhaps they'd let the owl players play her as sort of like a sneak peak as to her competetive capabilities

[pearl stratus]

In the future they'll just leave her on PTR two weeks longer so that the wait seems less and people shut up.

[hidden vault]

It's halfway through season 9 actually

And I disagree about having maps and heroes released mid season

[pearl stratus]

Which is fine, but not the majority. The majority of people whined like they owned a vineyard and had some cheese to go with it.

[hidden vault]

Not sure how much is that majority

[fallow raven]

Yeah maybe the vocal majority

There's no definitive way to say a majority

Since you didn't hear everyone's thoughts

I personally can't stand releasing new anything mid-season

[twin dove]

Kinda the same way with major patches though so a new character really shouldn't be much different imo. Buffed sombra and then saw a fk ton of people that suddenly thought they were good with her. Lol

[fallow raven]

Anyone watching contenders

@twin dove ugh exactly

It's gonna be the same with Brigitte a bunch of people learning her in comp

At least this time the hype will have died down

[gaunt acorn]

Stage 2 Final Standings

Playoffs:
🥇 New York Excelsior
🥈 Philadelphia Fusion

Regular Play:
🥇 New York Excelsior
🥈 London Spitfire
🥉 Philadelphia Fusion

[balmy wolf]

Pls let fusion win

[hidden vault]

Fusion won

Who is better? Silkthread or Agilities?

[torpid charm]

@hidden vault I'm in between. they're both pretty good

[ruby pendant]

Thought valiant were thinking of letting Agilities go?

[hidden vault]

In a valiant video, the management gave Agilities one last chance to "proving" himself

Do they really have any better candidates?

[torpid charm]

I hope not, Noah gave him that whole "last chance" bullshit. they may have lost but I've never seen someone show out like that, he played very well in those last few matches

[ruby pendant]

Contenders have some decent people

Agilities looks great, but maybe Valiant feel he's not the right fit for the team.

Maybe he'll find another team that values him more like Fissure.

[torpid charm]

hopefully

[hidden vault]

Yeah

This whole main and sister team is bullshit

[ruby pendant]

@hidden vault lol, why don't you like it?

[hidden vault]

Not when both players fair the same

If they fair roughly the same

1 shouldn't be benched

[gaunt acorn]

@ruby pendant not letting go

the "last chance" was referring to a spot on the main roster

if he doesn't perform well he'll be benched again and keep playing with the sister team

the two valiant players rumoured to be traded were soon and unkoe

in exchange for custa

no further news/rumours have come out regarding that trade, though

so it might not happen

[slim summit]

what team is Custa on?

[gaunt acorn]

dallas fuel

he's their main shotcaller & support

it would be very stupid for dallas to trade him

[slim summit]

I remember there being earlier rumors about Taimou and ... someone up for trade on Fuel

[gaunt acorn]

but then again, dallas has been stupid more times than i can count

[slim summit]

was it Seagull? or was it Custa then too?

[gaunt acorn]

you're referring to taimou and cocco

nothing ever happened regarding that rumour, either

[slim summit]

ah right

[gaunt acorn]

seagull is competent enough not to be traded

[pearl stratus]

Also Unkoe, if you judge by the valiant vids, doesn't look worth having on any team with that attitude.

I would take a slightly worse Zenyatta with better attitude towards his teammates over him.

Because cohesion can patch individual skill sometimes.

[hidden vault]

Dallas is a perfect meme

Might as well trade all their well behaved players for trouble makers

[sacred valley]

I'm just imagining XQC peeking his head around the corner after hearing that.

[ruby pendant]

@gaunt acorn Appreciate the clarification.

@hidden vault lol

[sacred valley]

Has there been an explanation as to why IDDQD hasn't played yet?

[onyx shore]

if you look at SFS' dps players,it's pretty clear

dante,babybay,sinatraa > iddqd

[hidden vault]

But I think xQc is on another level and should not be in Overwatch League lol

But yeah I can imagine that too

[onyx shore]

xqc's skill is surely owl material

his behaviour is another thing though

[ruby pendant]

Flower playing on contenders right now https://www.twitch.tv/overwatchcontenders

[hidden vault]

How could flow3r not be of age in owerwatch League but contenders

[onyx shore]

there's a cut off time for new signing if i'm not mistaken

but idk,sinaatra is younger than flow3r by 4 days but he can play

[whole mulch]

Gotta be 18 for OWL

Contenders doesn't have an age limit I think

[onyx shore]

flower is older than sinaatra by 4 days though

[whole mulch]

Maybe it has to do with korean age system

in korea you're born as 1 year old

[onyx shore]

nah,they are using american law here

[whole mulch]

Idk then

[onyx shore]

imo,it's probably the difference on how they got signed

sinaatra is SFS member from the start

[whole mulch]

Fl0w3r is still 17

[onyx shore]

probably this isn't the case for flower

[whole mulch]

His birthday is may 14th 2000

he's 18 in korea, 17 in the us

[onyx shore]

fuck

i got it mixed with march

lul

then it's because he's still underage

[fallow raven]

LOL

BORN IN 2000 SOUNDS SO YOUNG TO ME

[whole mulch]

Well 2000 = just turning 18/adulthood

if you're already an adult then yes 2000 will sound young

[brisk roost]

Lmfao

I'm born 2000

So I would know

Turning 18 like next week already

[ruby pendant]

Good!

@brisk roost Happy Birthday in advance!

[jagged crater]

comm issues for flow3r?

what do you think

[onyx shore]

comm?

[brisk roost]

@ruby pendant Thank you my dude 😄

[ruby pendant]

Overwatch teams should hire Spirit, and Zaprey. They destroying Flower's team.

@brisk roost lol no problem

[jagged crater]

is mangachu on this team?

[whole mulch]

xQc more viewers than contenders

[ruby pendant]

@jagged crater yes

[jagged crater]

too little advertisement for contenders

[ruby pendant]

They took him out though, replace with Nenne

[jagged crater]

mangabench?

[ruby pendant]

lol, yea. Wasn't playing good.

[jagged crater]

so a case of great ladder player but not so good pro level

[ruby pendant]

Maybe

[whole mulch]

The girl still hasn't learned the game fully huh

[jagged crater]

who is this

[whole mulch]

how come she is on the desk? Just curious

[ruby pendant]

@whole mulch Why don't you teach sensei?

[jagged crater]

iuno

should've gotten left guy

he at least knows the game

[whole mulch]

Soe knows the game

best girl ♥

[jagged crater]

gillfrost

what's he been doing

[worldly karma]

Hey

[whole mulch]

Hi

[jagged crater]

bring back gillfrost!

[worldly karma]

What's going on whats going off, up, down or what ever

HELLO BITCHES IK YOU HERE

[molten skiff]

who are grizzlys?

[jagged crater]

nutters

[ruby pendant]

@molten skiff Team that is teaching Flower how to play

[whole mulch]

team of players who I thought quit

[molten skiff]

any relation to vancouver grizzlys?

[whole mulch]

They're owned by Montreal esports

Canadian team so maybe the name has some inspiration from them?

[molten skiff]

oh

montreal is even better

i live in montreal now so

fuck them new yawk bois

whos winning?

holy shite my bois winning

[jagged crater]

cloneman knows how to show off on camera

[hidden vault]

Hmm there are girls in contenders?!

[jagged crater]

jesus zaprey

[molten skiff]

zprey a girl?

also

zaprey is wrecking xl2

[jagged crater]

theres the flow3r we wanted to see

[whole mulch]

Zaprey is a girl?

[jagged crater]

everyone's a girl

[worldly karma]

Back

[whole mulch]

Front

[worldly karma]

Middle

[whole mulch]

Hanzo main

[worldly karma]

Wtf is that

[hidden vault]

Soe is not a girl

[torpid charm]

gamer grills

[hidden vault]

Anyways soe is in contenders?!?!

[whole mulch]

what

soe is a girl

[torpid charm]

what

[hidden vault]

BIG REVEAL

[silk orchid]

Welp

Saebyeolbe is going to throw his very first game next week

[supple prism]

pitch

[silk linden]

I mean he almost threw against Philly on Hollywood

[hidden vault]

Why would he throw?

[onyx shore]

he's going to throw the first pitch at a baseball match

[exotic pecan]

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We're looking to branch out into Overwatch, however we need to find an individual that possesses the required skillset, motivation, and time (at least an hour each day) to lead our efforts for this game, specifically.

Finding someone who is passionate about Overwatch but more inclined to work an administrative role rather than being an actual eSports athlete is difficult. So we're reaching out to a wide variety of channels to find that perfect someone.

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[hidden vault]

#lf-players-na @exotic pecan

[exotic pecan]

@hidden vault Admin Hiorth suggested posting this here, and as this is not a post looking for teammates, I think it may not be appropriate for #lf-players-na. Thank you for the suggestion though. 😃

[supple prism]

I can't afford working for free right now

[hidden vault]

@exotic pecan okay since the admin suggested

[whole mulch]

That looks like an interesting offer

[past prism]

What does Reddit think of XQC?

[whole mulch]

They seem to be supporting him in his most recent ban from what I've seen

[past prism]

Didn’t they get him banned in the first place?

[whole mulch]

I don't remember who got him banned honestly

I know xqc hates reddit though

sometimes he goes through reddit reading posts about him

[deft valley]

he does lol

and "reddit" doesn't hate him

r/ow has a lot of people who do but a lot of his fanboys as well

compow are mostly fans

[whole mulch]

Comp ow has lots of his fans

which is why he frequents them more

[deft valley]

you need that echo chamber

[onyx shore]

i thought many people on compow hates him though

[whole mulch]

It's a split

[onyx shore]

yeah

[deft valley]

i mean probably
but there's more fans

[whole mulch]

same with here

[onyx shore]

compOW is an elitist subreddit after all

i prefer overwatch TMZ,but this is a slow day there...

[past prism]

What I mean is do posts in favour of XQC get downvoted?

[onyx shore]

yikes

SHD releases undead

lul

looks like his necromancy failed

[deft valley]

depends on what posts

if it's relevant, no

if it's just "free xqc he's my boy" yes

[onyx shore]

i'm waiting for the 1st match of stage 3

can't wait to be labeled as sexist male gamer

[deft valley]

you're off to a good start to that

[onyx shore]

it's gonna happen dude,whether SHD win or not

wiw,sayaplayer is already in the us

[hidden vault]

Tbh all of xQc's man fans would throw for him if he was on the other side of the team

[onyx shore]

what other side you mean?

[hidden vault]

I meant the other team lmao

The enemy

My bad

[onyx shore]

imho,i dont think that would happen,his fans are mostly his own fans,not DF's

[vague urchin]

this is my first time watching the overwatch contenders

i don't know why i needed to say that

[hidden vault]

I meant if he queues on normal comp

[onyx shore]

ah i see,i missread that

nah

back then he went on 4-20 losing streak and dropped to master

[silk linden]

Rip Undad

His exit from the OWL is his first successful pull out

[deft valley]

ayyyyyyyyyyyy

[gaunt acorn]

[warped axle]

Undeadbeatdad is gone

When's Diya coming back 😟

[gaunt acorn]

unknown

[warped axle]

☹

[scarlet spear]

probably trying to get his back fixed before stage 3 so he can play properly with the new teammates

[finite cedar]

Diya is waiting for his visa.

[torpid charm]

goodbye Undad

[worldly karma]

Hey

[torpid charm]

well, the good news is that Sky and the other coaches for Shanghai are on their way!

[onyx shore]

so,best shanghai lineup will be what?

ado,sky,fearless,geguri,diya,fiveking?

[pearl stratus]

Potentially. Though MG should get sub time when they run some stuff too.

As long as MG isn't on D'va he's turned out to be a competent player for them.

[onyx shore]

will they go full korean though

[pearl stratus]

Honestly I think they'll push the koreans out sooner or later.

[onyx shore]

their pride wont allow it probably

[pearl stratus]

Because they have the two MY tanks in Contenders right now.

Which means they could move them to OWL.

Then there's two other MY formers who turn 18 soon as well.

Since literally every MY player is back playing OW except for Creed (who is arguably the one you'd want the most due to his flex)

[onyx shore]

so it could depends on how these koreans perform on stage 3 and 4

[pearl stratus]

Because PubG lasted all of 12 seconds before being garbage.

[onyx shore]

you mean the pubg esport?

[pearl stratus]

It's weird how personal life is so like.. open in China like that culturally. It makes sense to release Undead with all his bs.

[onyx shore]

is undead story getting picked up by western media though?

then again,it probably cause massive uproar on mainland

[pearl stratus]

The organization has had so much issues and bs and bad pr.

This was like a firestorm for them I bet.

It's like OWL being a haven for boosters to Korea.

Just bad press.

[onyx shore]

how many boosters we have in owl? two?

sado is like the head honcho though

while oge is just like the small thug

[pearl stratus]

Two, with a few rumors of a few more potentially going to other rosters.

Economically boosters are great pick ups.

Because they're basically not real people anymore.

They're banned from all competitive play in Korea.

So they're blue light special on sale.

And you can dictate whatever you want for their terms.

[onyx shore]

oh you mean the org have leverage?

[pearl stratus]

The individual teams do, realistically.

I think its still horrible to pick them up.

I just understand why you'd still consider it.

Because you're getting Korean players on sale, because they have no other options.

It's either take this piss poor salary and do whatever the fuck I tell you.

Or go get a job in a factory.

[onyx shore]

i see,make sense

do you think they should be banned?

if it comes out

i mean banned from owl

[drowsy fulcrum]

SO when is Sleepy actually getting fined

[onyx shore]

fined for?

[drowsy fulcrum]

Toxicity, abusing the report system and attempting to throw games

[pearl stratus]

So here's the thing - if it happened pre-OWL starting I think they're doing a clean slate thing.

Which while I don't agree with, I understand.

Post OWL I think they should follow whatever the regions rules are around that person.

So if someone gets banned for boosting in Korea, they should also be blacklisted from OWL.

[onyx shore]

is his name felix lengyel? if it's not,i dont think he will get fined

[pearl stratus]

I mean if Unkoe isn't fined for the way he acted on the Valiant videos.

Who knows about Sleepy.

Unkunt.

[onyx shore]

what did unkoe do?

it's just so many things on valiant

[drowsy fulcrum]

@pearl stratus Sleepy did this https://youtu.be/rxI3T4JGexo

[onyx shore]

i know unkoe is toxic

[drowsy fulcrum]

and then proceeded to throw 3 more games afterwards

[pearl stratus]

Was that before OWL?

[drowsy fulcrum]

the video?

it was about 4 days ago

[pearl stratus]

Then it'll happen in time.

[onyx shore]

let's see

[pearl stratus]

Remember Taimou's punishment took two months to be public

[drowsy fulcrum]

the Sym and Torb players reported unfairly in the video have contacted the OWL

[onyx shore]

consistency and blizzard does not match

[drowsy fulcrum]

Danteh and xQc have spoken out about it

and Sleepy has blocked every single person remotely attempting to contact Shock about it on Twitter

he's also deleted all Vods and is attempting to get this video taken down

[onyx shore]

lul

[whole mulch]

haha

[drowsy fulcrum]

not to mention that they're not fucking one tricks

[whole mulch]

I hope he gets what he deserves

[drowsy fulcrum]

they all switch when asked

[onyx shore]

in this case,simple fine is enough

i dont think suspension is necessary

1 match suspension probably max

[pearl stratus]

He'll most likely end up with a $1000 fine, and they'll call it a day.

[drowsy fulcrum]

dude I don't care what happens

but showing one of the main streamers that kids watch from the OWL reporting off-meta mains

shit needs to happen

[pearl stratus]

Well just remember its okay to report them if they do bad.

And then they get banned 😄

[drowsy fulcrum]

he's broken the OWL code of conduct

@pearl stratus dude

[onyx shore]

you forgot the "

[drowsy fulcrum]

he even waited until the spawn doors opened before quitting

he wanted to make it a 5v6

[onyx shore]

"code of conduct"

[pearl stratus]

You can dude me all you want, that's legitimately something that just happened.

Kid locked Doomfist. Played Doomfist. Got countered.

Didn't swap.

Got reported.

Got banned.

Ban upheld.

[drowsy fulcrum]

ok

sure

but there's a huge difference between that a

[pearl stratus]

I mean yeah, one is throwing and reporting early.

[drowsy fulcrum]

and reporting people that do switch when asked or when their characters aren't working before the game starts and attempting to force it into a 5v6

[pearl stratus]

The other is proving that its okay to report one tricks if they play badly.

But they're still linked.

[drowsy fulcrum]

not to mention that Torb works super well on Ilios and actually won a game in OWL on it

especially

it was against Sleepy

lmao

[whole mulch]

Which team did it

[drowsy fulcrum]

idk

one of the koreans

[whole mulch]

Sleepy is ridiculously toxic in comp

many streamers are

pros*

[drowsy fulcrum]

Ilios Lighthouse is one of Torb's and Sym's best maps

[whole mulch]

when they're off-stream

[drowsy fulcrum]

considered better than Anubis Defense

[whole mulch]

the koreans might have been trolling tho

[pearl stratus]

Flow3rs debut last night was hilarious.

[whole mulch]

They haven’t done it a lot in owl but in world cup and such they would troll vs weaker teams

[pearl stratus]

"I'm on Tracer!" 30 seconds later. Dead.

[onyx shore]

i wonder why he did that on stream

like

can'y you just

"okay,i can't play like this"

turns off the stream

and then do whatever you like

[pearl stratus]

Logical thought versus emotional thought.

[drowsy fulcrum]

because he's 19 and needs to show that he's the new xQc

[pearl stratus]

Logical thought is turning off your stream first.

[drowsy fulcrum]

make that twelvie subscriber money

[pearl stratus]

Emotional thought is seeing a Torb and Sym and going "Fuck this shit."

Kephrii throwing shade in chat was funny too.

[onyx shore]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/87ydkf/treat_geguri_like_an_amazing_player_like_any/

btw post like this makes me want to watch that fuel vs dragons

[pearl stratus]

Because if Kephrii throws shade at you, you might just be a dumpster person.

Since he is a dumpster person.

[drowsy fulcrum]

oh btw posting that video got me banned from /r/competitiveoverwatch

because apparently he did nothing wrong

[onyx shore]

why?

ah

the elitist attitude toward alleged "one trick" ?

[drowsy fulcrum]

best bit is they're not even one tricks

but Sleepy is

[pearl stratus]

One tricks only matter if they're shitty heroes.

[onyx shore]

yeah

[pearl stratus]

No one cares about a one trick Zen, D'va or Tracer.

[onyx shore]

nobody shits on wraxu

on famous one tricks like kephrii

if he's not on widow,he will got flamed

[whole mulch]

Kephrii gets a lot of shit no matter what he plays because of his reputation

I think most people are okay with wraxu

[pearl stratus]

I mean deserved shit, but still shit.

[onyx shore]

well,if i have kephrii on my team,his ass better plays widow bcos his other heroes are crap

[whole mulch]

Kephrii has thrown two of my games

Legitimately thrown

[pearl stratus]

He threw an entire tournament.

[onyx shore]

yeah,you can't predict the dude

[whole mulch]

I don't know how he is allowed to do that

[onyx shore]

but

[pearl stratus]

Not surprising.

[onyx shore]

it's better to put a player like that on his most optimal hero

[whole mulch]

In one of my games a torb killed him with a hammer

[drowsy fulcrum]

I have a tally of all my losses

out of 90 competitive games

[whole mulch]

he goes hammer torb to get revenge

[drowsy fulcrum]

54 of them were wins

[whole mulch]

we lose the round

[drowsy fulcrum]

10 of them were losses because the enemy team were better

[onyx shore]

blizzard already says one tricking is not banable

[drowsy fulcrum]

26 were because someone on my team threw

[onyx shore]

and it shouldn't be

[whole mulch]

They did say one tricking is not bannable

a few weeks ago

[pearl stratus]

One tricking when you're playing well is not bannable*

[onyx shore]

one tricking on meta heroes also not bannable

[pearl stratus]

Usually if you're on a meta hero you're playing well by default.

Tracer and D'va have so few overall "counters"

[drowsy fulcrum]

lmao

[pearl stratus]

That its hard to make the hard counter argument.

[onyx shore]

they can't and shouldn't make one tricking banable though

it opens to new problems

[pearl stratus]

They haven't.

They've just set precedence now that if you one trick and play like shit into counters they'll ban you for bad teamwork.

You're still welcome to play your one trick.

Just don't do it badly.

Is basically the rule.

[drowsy fulcrum]

I'm a one trick

[pearl stratus]

More or less the avoid player feature will fix this, especially when they open it up to more than two people per week.

[drowsy fulcrum]

https://i.imgur.com/rowgxKt.jpg

👌

[pearl stratus]

Because no one should tell anyone not to one trick.

But no one should be forced to play with a one trick if they don't want to either.

[onyx shore]

it's also their fault that they make one tricking is so rewarding anyway

[pearl stratus]

And that'll hit the middle ground.

[hidden osprey]

Jeff says one tricking isn't bannable, but CS says otherwise

Here's a recent thread where a Doomfist one trick got banned and got a human response: https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/86abjm/doomfist_suspension_update_ive_actually_received/

[supple prism]

Thought that was more about being a terrible teammate than being a one trick

If he was doing well he wouldn't have been reported or banned

[fallow raven]

Bad one tricks can be banned it's that simple

Blizzards system is based solely off number of reports so the bottom line is: if you piss off enough people you can get banned for anything

[twilit forum]

woo that means we can still mob justice symm mains on KOTH/

?

[pearl stratus]

If they play like garbage, yes.

[fallow raven]

Yep that's what i do 😂

[pearl stratus]

If they don't, you still eventually run the risk of a counter ban from wrongful reporting.

[fallow raven]

If we lose they get mobbed

[pearl stratus]

It's why I'm so pro the avoid player thing.

Sure if you're a one trick there's a chance your going to get longer queues depending on who you one trick.

But your chances of getting reported for it drop dramatically.

[twilit forum]

stevo is apparently gonna alternate between 5 accounts

to circumvent it

[pearl stratus]

Which is his choice, but that still also lowers the chances of people encountering him by 40%

Since they can initially block 2.

[twilit forum]

hes switching accounts more often

than he switches hero

😂

[pearl stratus]

Plus, 2 is just the starter number.

Jeff said if the system can handle it they'll go higher.

[fallow raven]

It's funny because dva one tricks never get reported

But niche trash do

[twilit forum]

well because dva is op

[pearl stratus]

I've reported D'vas before.

[twilit forum]

niche trash is exactly what it is

[fallow raven]

Same when I would one trick Lucio

[twilit forum]

niche trash

[fallow raven]

No one reported lmao

[twilit forum]

so you cant rlly play it all the time

also blizzards fault

[fallow raven]

Yeah exactly

[twilit forum]

for not changing characters fast enough

[whole mulch]

I got reported for playing lucio last season lol

[pearl stratus]

I don't blame Blizzard entirely.

[fallow raven]

Stop making heroes that are bad in like 90% of situations

Omegalul

[pearl stratus]

I don't think everyone should be always good.

But I'm a rarity more than a common denominator.

[twilit forum]

its not about having a good hero

[pearl stratus]

I also think different maps will change things up more than nerfs and buffs.

[twilit forum]

its about having something to work a certain strategy

in a relevant way

to win a game

[pearl stratus]

Every map they've made in the last year has rewarded mobility like crazy.

[twilit forum]

in all rating groups

[pearl stratus]

Both on the vertical and horizontal.

[twilit forum]

symms kit is hard countered by one of the most played heroes

winston

[pearl stratus]

So of course D'va is going to be good. That mobility and matrix? Super good.

[twilit forum]

then u have dva that can also bomb a shield gen

and be on her merry way

xd

[supple prism]

Moira also works decent against sym

[pearl stratus]

Like if there was a map that was more a descent type of system.

Like going into the underground of kings row.

You'd see Winston drop off on attack because I'd personally make it so he'd leap into the ceiling.

If you suddenly had a map with more tight quarters and less verticality half the current roster would be in a weird spot.

And you'd get people like Mei and Reaper tearing things up.

Then the match would end and you'd go to Junkertown.

And it would switch back.

[supple prism]

Junk

[pearl stratus]

Junk too, but realistically Junk is only a ladder problem.

And I'm a firm believer that despite I'm ranked badly - you shouldn't balance around me.

You should balance around pros.

Because I want heroes balanced around the people able to play them the best.

Not Jimmy who eats paint and plays in gold.

Pros/Top5%, just to expand that since I really don't mean just OWL.

[supple prism]

You are more likely to improve than pros to get worse so yea

[pearl stratus]

It's also just a better trickle system. Imagine the type of buffs required to make Ana super great for a gold player.

Now give that Ana to Ryuhejong.

[left spoke]

broken

btw

[pearl stratus]

I also believe that Ana is in a not bad spot and doesn't need much, if anything, done to her.

[left spoke]

maybe 75% healing buff on nade instead of 50

[pearl stratus]

Honestly the only change I'd like for her, just for her own survivability is for her shot to do 75 damage and not 70.

So she could two shot tracers/baby d'va.

That's it.

[left spoke]

that would be a crazy nerf to tracer

cuz that forces recall at 75

and tracers don't like recalling above like 50-60

[pearl stratus]

It's the same as a Zen headshot, tbf.

[left spoke]

ya but zen hs is proj

[supple prism]

What if they made sleep dart do damage?

[pearl stratus]

It does.

5 damage.

[left spoke]

it does five

[pearl stratus]

So does pulse bomb attaching, btw.

If you've never killed anyone with it.

Super funny.

[supple prism]

I have seen it

[left spoke]

that's why you stick the ground when zarya is sleeping

[supple prism]

But what if it did 15 or 10

[pearl stratus]

It wouldn't logistically change much, since a slept target under 200 health already dies to her.

With nade+shot.

[left spoke]

you have to shot sleep

[pearl stratus]

It'd have to do enough to break the 200 HP barrier.

[left spoke]

and then shot nade tho

to kill

unless you time it perfect

ya so shot 70 plus nade 60 plus melee 30 pls a 40 damage sleep dart?

[pearl stratus]

But overall I don't think Ana is in a bad place, she's just in a bad meta.

[left spoke]

ya with dive and all

[pearl stratus]

And the problem comes if you buff her to the meta, is she then overpowered if the meta changes.

[supple prism]

What if they gave her headshot damage also? But at a reduced amount?

[pearl stratus]

Plus, she's still picked more than Moira XD

[left spoke]

that is prob a lie

[pearl stratus]

For Pro play, not for Ladder.

[left spoke]

isn't moira dva top two picked in ladder rn

oh okay

ya that was due to hanamura in the pool tho

cuz ana zen was super meta on that map

[pearl stratus]

Yeah, but I think that's okay personally.

I don't mind niche supports either, as long as they're not bad.

[left spoke]

i am excited to see if jtown meta changes tho

[pearl stratus]

My biggest hope is that the Stage 3 Blizzardworld is the one currently on PTR.

The one that isn't a giant pile of shit.

[left spoke]

ya with the 10m streets phase reduction

[pearl stratus]

Yeah a second spawn that isn't completely horrible.

[left spoke]

you have to snowball that shit hard

[supple prism]

Unlikely

[pearl stratus]

I actually think there's a good chance for them to push it separately.

[left spoke]

seems even in masters unless your rolling you always get stopped at second point

[pearl stratus]

Because if the current Blizzworld debuts in OWL.

I'm going to not watch like every BLW match.

[left spoke]

i will leave it open for tokens

[pearl stratus]

It's such a badly designed map in terms of spawn/healthpacks currently.

[left spoke]

but i won't watch

it will be a complete stall fest

[pearl stratus]

I forsee Boston and NYXL doing well on it.

Because of Libero + Kazper.

[left spoke]

ya

[pearl stratus]

And having a big enough hero pool to play around a block.

[left spoke]

flex gods

[valid basin]

I actually like playing on blizzardworld

I hate the last point though

[left spoke]

sadly i think pirate ship could be prominent on streets

phase of blw

[pearl stratus]

I think Stage 3 is actually going to be really good for Houston.

Because there's a few maps where they won't be cornered by not having a Tracer.

Because they're good Junk maps.

So we can see Jakerat not Tracerat.

[green gate]

I like how dragons would need to win every single game for 2 stages straight in order to get 0 points

[left spoke]

still can't believe that flame doesn't think houston has a tracer problem

[pearl stratus]

I understand part of it, but he words it like such an asshole.

[supple prism]

?

[left spoke]

especially cuz jake and linkzr are at the bottom of league stats wise

[pearl stratus]

If he'd said something along the lines of "We know our Tracer play isn't where it needs to be, but I think we can get Jake and Linkzr up to a swappable state while not losing out on the current weapons we do have, but it will take time."

[left spoke]

25 and 3 LOOOOOOOOOL

[pearl stratus]

I'd have accepted it so much more.

Because that statement makes sense.

[left spoke]

That statement is big brain

[pearl stratus]

We don't have Tracers, we eventually will have Tracers. We don't want to lose the Jake and Linkzr duo because they play well together.

Is a completely fine argument to make.

[left spoke]

i think the move is to poach nenne

[pearl stratus]

But Flame was like "ROFLNOPE CLOCKWORK DEMECHS PEOPLE"

Nah.

Davin.

[left spoke]

oh ya davin

how old is sharp?

[pearl stratus]

Davin has played with Linkzr before.

So its a better initial cohesion.

[left spoke]

cuz sharp is 16

i don't know why they would want him on their contenders team

unless they really want him in the future

[pearl stratus]

Locking people down for the long haul.

[left spoke]

ya like zerg

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What is exciting to me is XL2.

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i think zerg will be really could come his 18th birthday

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Because I really didn't expect them to have a Contenders team that was 80% western.

And I like their approach.

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ya

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Though I also love their coach.

"It's not a matter of Koreans being better than Western players. They're the same. It's a matter of NYXL being better than everyone else."

That ego.

Love it.

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it sucks that mangachus pharah is the his only hero that he can play at an owl level.

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I feel like he could develop a few more in contenders.

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there is no way he gets on nyxl tho

going up against flower and libero

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I mean NYXL is stacked for DPS really.

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stacked af

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Libero just continues to surprise me

And its almost annoying.

Philly went into that last game with a super smart plan.

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libero's widow is really good too

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Libero is good at everything

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I don't think any of XL2's roster will join NYXL

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Carpe in the widow battle, since Saebyolbe ALWAYS is the Widow.

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maybe flower

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especially with widow tracer becoming more prominent

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Then all of a sudden Libero is like "GUESS WHAT I CAN PLAY?"

And how do you plan for that.

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libero being able to play widow

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You can't plan for Libero.

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and then sbb on tracer

he is obv one of the best if not the best

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I swear in Stage 3 Libero is going to roll out with an attack Torb.

And no one will blink a damn eye.

And he'll get a 5K.

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I really like it when they switch widow in instead of junkrat, those widow kills always hype up the crowd.

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No turret.

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Why have no one tried attack torb against shanghai

it's a free win, at least have fun with it

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Shanghai, even though they're weak, still can put together moments of clarity.

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did you see the surefour clip "torb is like a better reaper you have a shotgun and a s76 wherever you want"

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yes lol

truth

torb is a hanzo and reaper

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And I think people also just generally respect the team enough to not meme on them too much.

Like saying dumb shit is one thing.

But playing garbage comps against them for something that isn't the players fault would be rude af.

Old coaches and organizations fault entirely.

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i feel like houston might have it in them to play memes against shanghai if they get a couple wins and their egos inflate

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Nah, I don't think so. I see Philly doing it more likely.

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no

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Since Philly has spawn camped teams a few times already.

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but that is a legit start

especially on eich

before the door on 2nd phase opens

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Yeah but they did it on Gibraltar lmao.

Remember poor Dallas?

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they created hella space tho