like srsly
#esports-discussion
silk linden
Massive lack of internal communication there
onyx shore
cocco : if it's up to me,i will play
and that bit about forcing korean culture is just ridiculous now that we heard rascal's side of the story
silk linden
Again, this is according to Rascal
supple prism
still confused
onyx shore
and AKM 
silk linden
I'll compile you a list of readings, wait a sec
onyx shore
his "defense" makes him looks more like an asshole
silk linden
https://medium.com/@hjbaker96/exclusive-dallas-fuel-coach-kyky-on-roster-decisions-the-owl-schedule-and-team-confidence-part-af4b83ecd032
https://medium.com/@hjbaker96/exclusive-dallas-fuel-coach-kyky-on-his-involvement-in-xqcs-release-players-egos-and-the-49d1d896aab5
First kyky
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/876bsp/rascal_about_kyky_interview_by_robin_k/dwaks24 finally Rascal
@supple prism this is the full context, but TLDR things don't add up and someone is lying/not telling the whole truth (the community is already all against Kyky), anyway this is evidence of massively lacking internal communication and all this stuff should have really been solved privately
onyx shore
i just realized kyky never explained what "forcing korean culture" on his interview means
silk linden
The Kyky interview forced akm to go public to defend his reputation, and akm accusing rascal forces Rascal's statement
@onyx shore now he has leeway with that
onyx shore
AKM was not "forced"
he probably just angry and didn't think forward
if he feels that rascal has screwed hm
silk linden
Akm exaggerated, but his point about his damaged reputation kinda made sense
onyx shore
why not talk with rascal and kyky first before lashing out on public discord?
fallow raven
Ikr
silk linden
Yep
supple prism
ok, this whole management thing sounds terrible
or how they are allowed to manage is
silk linden
Also, poopgate:
Apparently Dallas's latest lineup is due to Taimou missing scrims because he was stuck in the bathroom, so they tried Mickie and seagull tank combo
silk linden
So the best coaching decision for Dallas only came because of a bathroom accident
onyx shore
on poopgate : i think this is taimou's masterplan to escape from main tank hell
silk linden
@onyx shore bullshit rumor spread by Reddit
supple prism
im just gonna blame the management for all this so far
silk linden
Well yeah, when the blame comes from many parts, it falls down on management
Rightly so
supple prism
how old are these players? early 20s?
silk linden
Yes
supple prism
then yea, they are largerly a bunch of kids that are still new to being an adult and being in a professional place. And I dont blame them for getting confused on professionalism when they are playing a videogame.
I know I am still an idiot about these things
Does other sports just not have the entire team at the same time for practice?
onyx shore
imo,when a team wants to do "transparency" like this,they should have a unified voice first so nobody wil feel that their opinion gets ignored after reading the article
not that i don't appreciate the drama that is generated by this things 
worthy palm
i think kyky wanted to play a victim card in interview and he failed now
supple prism
for what? to cover his own ass?
onyx shore
yep
probably he didn't think that his interview will cause AKM to lash out
thus triggering rascal to also lashes out
supple prism
you know, sometimes i forget that even the oldest adults can be the biggest idiots
worthy palm
i should read it again. but it was a very unreliable interview, presenting rascal as a scapegoat by omitting contexts what happened
may be i'm wrong, but I felt that way when i read rascal's thing today.
spring lintel
“Stuck in the bathroom” best excuse ever
heavy meteor
guys anyone has any questions on the newly announced community cup please let me know i'm around
queen drift
silk linden
What nV core? You mean chipshajen? The rest is gonezo. Unless you count effect and Mickie, then Mickie will probably only last until OGE is out of jail
Harry is in jail too apparently, fucking kyky
silk linden
Seagull should be out of jail now
silk linden
Cocco buried alive
gaunt acorn
who?
silk linden
xQc is free
hidden vault
I'm surprised to see Boston and the Glads do so well this season
wat happened to Valiant and Outlaws?
they dropped pretty far
stuck meadow
silk linden
Outlaws have to sort out some problems with their hero pool, but they went 5-5 this stage so it's not that bad, they just overperformed in stage 1 they can still recover
Valiant have management problems they need to sort out
They're going full Dallas
gaunt acorn
no tracer specialist
silk linden
Tracer basically
They want Jake in because he brings good comms and leadership, but he's not a tracer player and can't do his job from that position
They might end up moving Linkzr to tracer more often
Boston aren't a surprise anymore, they're a reality of overwatch. They're super solid, never any drama, great adaptability, breakout performances for Dreamkazper and Striker
magic zinc
If Dreamkazper doesn't make it onto team USA I'll be upset
silk linden
Glads have masterfully integrated Fissure and have given him full leadership, and this skyrocketed their potential
Dreamkazper is 100% guaranteed a WC spot, if he accepts it
He's hands down the best US player
Wonder if they'll drop Jake at this point
Might bring him in anyway
For the strategy part
magic zinc
If they find someone with strong comms they can drop him
But if the tanks are Houston idk
magic zinc
I think Rawkus is Canadian?
silk linden
Might be
magic zinc
Nope they're both American
silk linden
Then it's pretty much set
silk linden
Yeah bani i knew was Canadian
They could honestly think of bringing Danteh instead of sinatraa
gaunt acorn
definitely
magic zinc
Danteh / Kasper <3
silk linden
I guess we'll see how sin performs in the last stages
vestal berry
Who was the best tank in the league stage 2?
magic zinc
Fissure
silk linden
Fragi wasn't as consistent in stage 1, and the EQO integration worked wonders
magic zinc
Who's better than Fissure? Nobody.
silk linden
Also new meta
silk linden
@magic zinc xQc
silk linden
Fragi is not the best but at least he's solid now
magic zinc
Sado was supposed to be the Winston right?
silk linden
Worked well with the Philly dps when assaulting the backline yesterday
magic zinc
Their comms might suffer a bit if he comes back, idk how good his English is
vestal berry
When does stage 3 start?
silk linden
His synergy with snillo and eqo was great
hidden vault
How is fission's support though?
gaunt acorn
@vestal berry april 4th
magic zinc
April 4th Stage 3 starts
vestal berry
Aight thanks
magic zinc
I think they're good
gaunt acorn
good, good
silk linden
Boombox probably best western zenyatta
gaunt acorn
don't even mention joemeister
silk linden
Neptuno super solid
gaunt acorn
hidden vault
Fusion is by far the most diverse team ever
silk linden
Dallas is there too
hidden vault
Yet they are able to do great unlike Dallas
silk linden
Though a bit less now
feral wing
Wow. From entering week 5 with a 9% chance of making the playoffs to beating London and almost beating NYXL and taking the stage 2 crown. Go fusion.
silk linden
Is Carpe the best Tracer/Widow? Most other widows play flex
Except effect
But carpe is better right now
magic zinc
Those 2 heroes combined? Yeah I think so
magic zinc
SBB can flex to the Widow but I think Carpe beats him there
feral wing
Let me rephrase: almost beating nyxl to the stage 2 crown
gaunt acorn
sbb definitely wins in the tracer duel tho
feral wing
Thats an accomplishment
silk linden
Linkzr has just started Tracer, though I think his widow is on par if not better than carpe's
magic zinc
SBB wasn't super impressive yesterday imo
Well he was
But not what we're used to seeing
Where he just completely dominates the other Tracer
silk linden
Can't dominate Snillo and Carpe
magic zinc
That's more credit to Carpe/Snillo than it is bad from SBB though
silk linden
Yeah
Tbh I never saw Snillo go for those 1v1s
He played very smart
Always went for the one clips
So clinical
"If I can't kill Jjonak before he has noticed me might as well leave"
hidden vault
Why does Philadelphia want another Dva (HOTBA) when they have poko
fresh arrow
what
you never know when someone can't play
it's better to have a backup than none at all
technically eqo can play some dva too but i think that's only for like KR
forest raven
Why does London want Closer when they have Nus? @primal smelttoEat#9703
Back ups and subs
fresh arrow
well done
forest raven
Not my fault
fresh arrow
242255693933969408
forest raven
Discord's fault
fresh arrow
that's the ID
forest raven
I don't care that much
hidden vault
Welp London kicked Rascal and Fissure out
forest raven
Rascal also wanted to be a starter
Rascal and Fissure are big names that cost money
A player like Tizi costs a lot less money
And whoever Spitfire sign to replace Rascal
spring lintel
Now I know why lan is popular in korea
10 billion fan girls
I just saw the whole stadium full of girls
silk linden
It's basically like a rock concert
With groupies
I actually wanna know how intese things get comparatively to rock concerts
Just how dedicated these fangirls are
hidden vault
A starter meaning?
fresh arrow
in the A team
like how we can mostly be sure that, say, fissure will start over iremiix
hidden vault
So now we have A and B teams in the league?
fresh arrow
no
well
yes but it's internal
like how LAV has a B team that practises separately from the team that you mostly see on the stage
forest raven
LAV management seems pretty shit though
fresh arrow
mumble mumble can't be as bad as fuel
forest raven
lol
fresh arrow
that said, being a diehard fuel fan, i know better than to speculate on team management
hidden vault
mumble mumble can't be worse than the Dragons
fresh arrow
¯_(ツ)_/¯
nah dragons are on a whole other level of poor management
it's not really the same kind
torpid charm
Shanghai Dragons stage 3 champions 
hidden vault
Grand losers
torpid charm
I'm putting all my faith into that damn team. I really hope that they can get their shit together
tawdry dew
They have a better roster now, hopefully they can pick it up in stage 3
Id LOVE to see shanghai kick some
brisk roost
Lets go xD!
brisk roost
Lel xD!
Btw
All teams need to play a lot harder now or otherwise it's always gonna be London and NYXL being in the playoffs lol
Plus one lucky team
indigo barn
London + NYXL + wild card = every stage playoffs ever
knotty current
Got an email from OW "get an overwatch skin by redeeming your tokens" i tried to follow the instructions, there are no tokens ...
deft valley
I feel like the Shock are the Tennessee Titans of OWL
like does anyone remember they exist
There are four teams under .500
Shanghai are known for the winless thing, Dallas for the drama, Mayhem for memehem and occasional pullout win
Shock are a complete blank
pearl stratus
Mayhem will increase past the .500 thing, imo.
It took them a while to get their stuff together.
But second half of Stage 2 they were surprisingly insane.
LAV, Shanghai, and Dallas are the ones I worry about.
deft valley
they went 3-2 in last 5
pearl stratus
Which is .6
deft valley
I wouldn't call that insane
but they did get better
also I like how I brought up Mayhem as a side note for no one remembering shock
and you paid no attention to shock whatsoever and we're discussing mayhem
finite cedar
The Mayhem have stabilized
deft valley
makes sense don't it
pearl stratus
Shock has their own growing pains right now with a DPS roster, they'll stabilize more next stage I think.
They've got a situation in which they have, in my opinion, an overpriced Tracer who still plays like he's on Ladder
deft valley
that they do
pearl stratus
They wont' be fixed till he adjusts to OWL standards.
finite cedar
The Shock are just meh if you compare.
pearl stratus
But with Architect as well, I think the Shock have a lot of potential.
Because in Stage 1 the shock felt like Babybay and Friends.
Then in Stage 2 you got to see Danteh further evolve.
And become a scary DPS in his own right.
Danteh, so far, gets my MVP card for most improved player in the league.
By leaps and bounds.
finite cedar
Stage 2 star for the shock was Danteh yeah. Babybay just got hit with the diminution of hitscans.
deft valley
out-of-the-left field Q, but are there official hex codes for the team colors?
or do I just pick them from the logo and say fuck it
pearl stratus
I think the latter.
deft valley
k
pearl stratus
I really think, right now, the only two teams that will continue to struggle will be LAV and Dallas.
Because they have really shit management.
deft valley
I'm skeptical on Shanghai still
they make sensible moves
but they're suspect until they actually work
pearl stratus
Skeptical yes, but the management seems to finally be involved enough to get smart choices.
They have their new supports visa approved, same with new coach.
Diya is, apparently, coming back as well.
finite cedar
The Dallas mostly need PR I feel. Management is not great, but they are completely loosing us on all side.
deft valley
they still have a ton of fans though, even after the PR fallouts
pearl stratus
I also really like Fearless so far.
deft valley
p sure they're still the most cheered team
pearl stratus
You can see he'll be an impactful tank once they're in sync.
finite cedar
It's not easy as they are also the western team that had the biggest engagement before, which pushes a lot of big criticism.
pearl stratus
Ado is 50/50. It's hard to tell with DPS because the more out of sync a team is the more the dps suffer.
finite cedar
They are also lacking in the main tank, with XQC bans, the Taimou's experience, Cocco being MIA.
pearl stratus
Kyky basically said that "Cocco lost his way" with his style of tanking not being conducive for the last few metas.
Whether thats true of Kyky PR spinning.
Who knows.
And then we'll have to deal with the fallout from Rascals stream last night.
But hey, more drama for Fuel.
slim summit
OGE suspended 😂
Can't believe he got only 4 matches tho
2 of which he was unable to play anyway
paper crag
Whoo geguri next week
Sayaplayer maybe next week
I think he’s in US...
So is OGR suspension 4 matches in stage 3, or was he suspended for a match or two during the end of stage 2?
OGE*
slim summit
two weeks
or i guess next week
feels like a lifetime
exactly, he's only out for two matches in stage 3
so he'll be there in week 2
pearl stratus
The 4 matches makes sense with perspective.
He only made like $200, which is like.. 2 total boosts. Which means minimal involvement, so I'm okay with 4 matches.
Versus SADO who ran an entire boosting company.
slim summit
all you need to do to run a boosting company is set up a website
boom, done
pm your friends on discord
it's not that i think 4 games is too few for the offense, per se
but rather that i don't see sado's offenses as being more than eight times as bad
queen thorn
hmm kabaji getting signed... not sure if hes dafraning us
pearl stratus
Oh god this "Just replace them with Koreans" thing on the reddit is going so overboard. People are freaking out about the Void pickup and how they're just dumping Bischu for a Korean.
I'll let that sink in. They're mad that they're dumping Bischu for a Korean.
lime vector
Hey ! if theres any Indonesians around here, just wanna let you guys know that ESL has an official Indonesian twitter and FB pages now
https://www.facebook.com/IndonesiaESL
pearl stratus
Well.
It's more that Bischu is Korean.
But he's from Canada.
Well lives in Canada.
So he's now a lesser Korean.
And they're mad a korean replaced a korean.
drowsy fulcrum
fuck me a student visa for the US is hard to get
rare sonnet
I don’t understand how Kyky & the Fuel can’t just scrim with different lineups...
Why can’t cocco be put in on main tank when scrimming a map
rocky pasture
When will SHANGHAI DRAGONS DISBAND?
strong parrot
limber pine
you'd have to ask WL
molten skiff
No contenders korea this morning?
warped axle
limber pine
da
scarlet spear
profit has a 345 rating for his tracer play
guess he was feeding his ass off
or got shut down efficiently
17-20 on tracer, compared to carpes 27-8 for example
idle beacon
explain 'feeding' pls @scarlet spear
i am confused a lil .. is it feeding enemies ult or ur own ?
scarlet spear
feeding in general just means he didnt play well, not just feeding ult in that sentence
torpid charm
#FreeSado
molten skiff
fuck that booster
pseudo sail
@idle beacon I don't know the formulas, but if I was to guess it's because of the deaths
tracer and genji (to a lesser degree) tend to have quite decent +/- in general so him dying so much probably affected the rating quite a bit.
pearl stratus
It's more than just deaths, its also damage and accuracy and stuff like that.
idle beacon
that 'd mean that profit is a diamond player
glacial sleet
no hes bronze
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UChZ9oYJ6fVO6pYunuU8dhKg/videos this guy posts highlights of every match if you missed out on any game
broken fog
wait
I am confusing about Contenders rule
12 team 6 team of 2 group
they do group stage #1
and top 4 team in each group advance group stage #2 right?
somebody explain to us
silk linden
So. Custa to valiant and Unkoe to Fuel.
I really don't understand this from Dallas perspective
silk linden
But whatever, I stopped trying to make any sense of Dallas, whatever happens happens
Just rumored for now
silk linden
Dallas fuel is like overwatch lore. Whatever info we get is inconsistent, senseless and prone to retconning
So, Ive really stopped trying to make sense of then
broken fog
They should know more deeply
silk linden
Whatever happens happens
broken fog
I was shocked when rascal's stream.
silk linden
I'm just sad for the good players wasting away in that team
balmy wolf
dallas is a lost cause
broken fog
I think dallas has that casue
they have AKM Seagull EFFECT Rascal and Taimou
I think Seagull's D.va is not bad choice.
silk linden
Yes their team is good. But they don't practice, don't come up with strats
silk linden
Whatever win they get will be despite of their organization, not because of it
balmy wolf
?
broken fog
problem with communication
balmy wolf
that's probably a good choice
silk linden
It's not like a machine with few missing parts that needs tweaks. The pieces are still all scattered, and instead of trying to putting them together they just shake the box and hope they arrange themselves
broken fog
so custa and unkoe traded each other
that is interesting
I think that is order of Hastr0
broken fog
Ok
balmy wolf
idk if that's going to change anything though
broken fog
I thought that was confimed
damn you inven!
I really hate inven/reddit
they liked to screwed the player
EscA,LTJ,KoX
wait I really confused about contenders
so 12 team participate in group stage
and top 4 team of each group advance Q.F right?
Someone please explain
and Q.F is single elimination
right?
cerulean plume
Wut 
glacial sleet
wait, unkoe is going to fuel?
broken fog
no it is just rumour
glacial sleet
they need to free grim
broken fog
686 people agree about not accept the player who boosted other account
I'm really sad about NA and EU doesn't know about this proplem is so serious
sullen berry
that petition looks like it was done out of spite
broken fog
did you signed?
sullen berry
no, because I don't understand what your petition's main argument is
I can understand they should not be suspended for doing something on the side
broken fog
for the fair e-sports
sullen berry
that's basically every player on Twitch
broken fog
not accept the player who boosted other account
boost is distruping the game.
you must know that
pearl stratus
Not confirmed, is it? Just more Slasher stuff, which has been wrong before.
@glacial sleet Judging by the Valiant videos getting rid of Unkoe could actually be a huge improvement for the team
glacial sleet
feelsbad
pearl stratus
He's a really shitty teammate from everything we've seen, and if it carries over into games he could be directly responsible for bad play.
Some of the Inside Valiant stuff shows him being really aggressive and toxic towards his teammates.
glacial sleet
as long as soon + envy + fate I will root for valiant
the insider videos? havn't seen those do you have link
pearl stratus
There's 4-5 of em.
That's the infamous Agilities gets taken to In and Out and gets told he has one more chance or he's benched forever.
pearl stratus
Personally I hope that most of those videos are reality TV fluffed up to make them more engaging.
But I kind of doubt it, heh
As much as I hate Styloza I always forget how funny his Spitfire vs. British Food video is.
Watching Nus almost throw up marmite is just kind of funny
pearl stratus
I imagine as a product its a pretty extreme difference from most korean stuff.
whole mulch
I don't think koreans are used to western foods
some of them are complaining about the food in la
ryujehong fell in love with american steak though
pearl stratus
I think they were, then they found a few places and stuff.
whole mulch
if you saw that interview
pearl stratus
And caterers.
It has to be hard really, since there's not really an "american" food, or western food. They're a lot of different things.
I'd love for a Shanghai eats Americanized Chinese Food video though.
pearl stratus
Their bench, basically.
They completely separated them out and have them practice as their own team, its really awkward.
pearl stratus
I think agilities is psuedo back to the main roster, it's weird.
They have some pretty bad management.
whole mulch
Kariv actually doesn't want to dps
they're making him
he says he is not comfortable on dps
glacial sleet
so much drama behind the scenes in owl
pearl stratus
Growing pains. You don't see it out of the korean teams because they're pre-fabricated teams that have existed for a long time.
They've already outgrown this stage.
New teams go through it.
slim summit
I'm still heated about Philly being reverse swept
it was so achievable
and it was over so fast
warped axle
I'm happy that they beat their demons
paper crag
i mean, it's not necessarily that koreans "aren't used to western foods" because there's an abundance of western food in korea
it's probably more of them being unable to find good korean food
indigo barn
houston AND now philly are the only teams to have beaten 2 out of the 3 London Seoul & Nyxl
houston has yet to beat nyxl
philly has yet to beat seoul
torpid charm
supple prism
i mean you could count london and nyxl has beat 2 of the 3 lol
fallow raven
magic zinc
Meta
hidden vault
What's so meta changing?
silk linden
No more mercy rezzing when you make mistakes or get picks, faster and divy-er comps get more rewarded while slow methodical ones less so
Philly are the best at diving the backline, especially with EQO
While Houston have had their strategy leader forced on a role he can't perform well in
They need to adjust
Anyway, Houston did average, just not as good as stage 1. They can bounce back if they show they can adapt
They went 5-5 this stage
deft valley
.500 is below average this stage
well, median
1 sec i posted this on philly but not here
cumulative over/under 500 by match
hidden osprey
"Slasher: The LA Valiant and Dallas Fuel are engaged in late-stage trade talks that would send Unkoe to the Fuel and Custa to the Valiant, sources said."
If Hastr0 is calling this shot he needs to be slapped in the face
Custa is probably their best vocal shotcaller
and he wants to trade him?
rare sonnet
Houston relied on mercy Rezzes countering dive + Junkrat mine dropping people to low enough HP so Linkzr can Dinkzr them
karmic pawn
rare sonnet
brisk roost
Nice!
pearl stratus
Team USA is going to be like 75% Houston, with Moth.
torpid charm
by the time I found out about the OWWC, it was already the finals so I missed everything. hella excited for this year
pearl stratus
Oh hey. Shanghai got a new, useful, assistant coach.
Look at them turning around their leadership team.
rare sonnet
USA team should be Muma/Coolmatt/DreamKazper/Danteh/Moth/Rawkus and Jake on the bench
South Korea could be Fissure/Profit/Fleta/Zunba/Jjonak/Tobi with RyuJehong on the bench
hopefully they put them on opposite sides of the bracket this time
or not in the first damn round
limber pine
they were, but they rerolled and still got each other
slim summit
you don't have to be 18 in WC
pearl stratus
I doubt he won't be.
slim summit
which means fl0w3r
pearl stratus
I honestly think, and this is just me, depending on how much time they have for practice they could be better playing London/NYXL/Seoul DPS over fl0w3r.
slim summit
xQc back on canada???
possible; a country that puts forth their OWL team will do better
and koreans are the only ones with national OWL teams
pearl stratus
We've seen that people joining OWL are either really solid, or really not.
Like Snillo and Eqo probably were the best DPS to come out swinging into OWL.
Then you get Sinatraa, who is trying to use Ladder play in OWL.
slim summit
it's so weird that Carpe & ShaDowBurn were top tier DPS
and then Philly adds Snillo and eQo
and manages to go further
pearl stratus
Shadowburn is limited, and I think they realized it.
He's insane, don't get me wrong.
But his hero pool is really small.
limber pine
yes
slim summit
Genji + Pharah, what more do you need
limber pine
Pharah not as prominent this stage
limber pine
and zarya is covered by poko
pearl stratus
Eqo has what.. D'va, Roadhog, Genji, Tracer, Widow, Soldier, Pharah?
slim summit
eQo does have great range
i don't remember him getting in many widow battles unfortunately
pearl stratus
Libero has: Every hero, plus ones not yet developed.
limber pine
at least genji tracer roadhog as his mains
slim summit
I'd like to see how he compares to Birdring and Fleta
pearl stratus
Last time they played Seoul he went about 50/50 versus Fleta.
He killed more Seoul players, but lost the Widow duels.
Birdring, atm, is the only Widow who can consistently shut Linkzr down.
pearl stratus
Though surprise Widow for me?
Libero.
I was expecting to see Saebyolbe on it.
Then Libero had it, and went nutty in finals.
Libero literally plays nothing badly.
I'm expecting him to come in on like... Mercy.
pearl stratus
Fleta too, though he doesn't pull out his randoms as often.
limber pine
true
pearl stratus
Fleta will just randomly pull out his Doomfist.
And fuck up a point.
And you're like "Wait. Since when does Fleta play that?"
And then its gone into the wind.
People are tweaking out about the OW World Cup rules.
Since they're letting countries bring 12 players this time.
pearl stratus
Because shitty countries don't have 12 pros.
XD
Personally, as much as I want the other teams to do well.
I'm kind of bananas excited for a Jjonak Zen + RHJ Ana.
Fuck all the flankers.
scarlet spear
isnt it only 12 man roster but only 7 get to attend the event anyways ?
pearl stratus
Which basically means you bring two tanks, two dps, two supports and a flex dps with a slightly weird pool.
limber pine
yeah it just depends on the meta come June/July
pearl stratus
It's the Bischu Void argument. "Getting rid of a Korean for another Korean."
But we like the other Korean more because he talks good western.
rare sonnet
any Korean that actually speaks english is a step up for me
pearl stratus
I mean with the current economy english isn't really either.
Gotta go for that Mandarin.
rare sonnet
chinese/english top languages
pearl stratus
I wish they had mandarin in school, not spanish/french.
rare sonnet
yeah
pearl stratus
I like how the Glad are basically letting Fissure make calls though.
"I asked for them to get Void, so we got Void."
rare sonnet
but still, English is almost lingua franca so why not learn it
pearl stratus
English has to be daunting af to learn though.
Its a nonsense language.
That mugs other languages.
And takes their grammar.
rare sonnet
weird that koreans and stuff don't bother, puts me off supporting their teams
pearl stratus
Most are, actually.
Most of London has passable english.
Not great, but passable.
Gesture is pretty much fluent.
rare sonnet
not too sure about that
pearl stratus
Most of NYXL streams in english now, though they're not great.
Pine makes his best attempts.
rare sonnet
hit me up when a spitfire player does an interview in english
pearl stratus
Ark does all his post games in English.
rare sonnet
for NYXL they just go to ark
scarlet spear
SBB has pretty decent english
rare sonnet
I hope an english speaking korean is on the WC team so they can get interviewed after they win
and so they don't just go to xQc lmao
pearl stratus
I know gesture did a podcast interview in english, but I honestly don't remember when.
Though English is officially the hardest language to learn now, iirc.
Because it makes no grammatical sense.
rare sonnet
why are you shitting on english
pearl stratus
China was when you had both Mandarin and Cantonese.
But they've switched to mostly Mandarin now.
Because its a dumb af language? Like everyone language has its quirks, and because the US was such a melting pot we took in everyone elses quirks too.
limber pine
english is a stupid language
rare sonnet
lol USA didn't invent english
pearl stratus
Yes, and American English is a thing.
rare sonnet
they're just the next country to carry the torch
pearl stratus
But imagine taking someone from anywhere else in the world.
rare sonnet
which is pretty lucky
limber pine
I'm just saying english, as a language, is terrible
pearl stratus
And explaining to them that:
Buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo Buffalo buffalo
Is not only a sentence.
But a GRAMMATICALLY CORRECT sentence.
rare sonnet
that makes no sense to me
pearl stratus
And you speak english.
So good luck to everyone else.
Buffalo is a noun, verb and proper noun.
rare sonnet
most people don't abuse the language like that lol
pearl stratus
It's not an abuse, its a perfectly valid sentence.
rare sonnet
yeah but who even uses that
ruby pendant
English is flexible and easily updated.
rare sonnet
^
ruby pendant
Depends on the culture norms, no one would use abnormal sentences like that
rare sonnet
English is very good for Lingua Franca because the old British Empire spread it worldwide and then American empire has kept it popular
pearl stratus
It's flexibility is also a downfall though, from an outsider perspective. We have a TON of homonyms and regional dialect terms. It's by no means an easy language to learn.
Read doesn't rhyme with read but does rhyme with lead, but lead doesn't rhyme with read but does rhyme with read.
I actually expect the Finn/Swedish players to pick up english faster than anyone, since we at least share a common germanic base on some of our words.
rare sonnet
I think most Nordic countries + Netherlands have 90% literacy rate in English
pearl stratus
Shared root bases makes it easier to learn. With the exception of possibly Finnish spelling most English speakers can learn the reverse as quickly.
Dealing with international students a lot at work the only other major confusion comes from phrasal verbs.
Because I think, though I could be wrong, English is the only language to really use them extensively.
torpid charm
I'm late to the convo but English hella hard to learn
sinful wren
I feel bad for people on the OWL teams who’s half the team base can’t speak English so they have poor comms.
brisk roost
True
pearl stratus
Honestly its not really a bad situation for most of the teams. Really the only team it affects right now is LAV - and their problems aren't language.
brisk roost
English is probably my weakest lol
pearl stratus
Glads comms are really solid, and they have a nice 3/3 split.
brisk roost
Since of course it's not my first or native language
torpid charm
too many words, too many homophones, just too much.
deft valley
you don't really need more than basic english for the comms though
indigo barn
kills dog
torpid charm
monkeymonkeymonkeymonkey
tight vault
MONKEYmonkey KILL THE MONKEy
pearl stratus
A lot of teams mentioned that they've been mixing in some korean for comms too when they have multi-lingual teams.
Because some of the calls can be made faster in korean than english.
So it becomes about efficiency.
Also NYXL is starting to do their NY thing.
SBB is throwing the opening pitch at a Mets game.
vestal berry
Police police police police police police police police - grammatically correct
It's a weird language but it is relatively easy to understand compared to other languages
fallow raven
Why does Team Canada have to qualify for the World Cup if they made the finals last year?
I thought racism in esport didn't exist in 2018
deft valley
no one is auto qualified except hosts
fallow raven
That's some Foo Foo lame shit
silk linden
that's the same in any sport
the only ones automatically qualified are the host and often times the previous champion
deft valley
and even those not always
fallow raven
Well not really but it makes sense because in this world cup there's only 8 teams
deft valley
what sports autoqualify last's years finalists
silk linden
runner ups? No one I think
fallow raven
Baseball
silk linden
baseball what?
fallow raven
World baseball classic
deft valley
okay how about things that someone cares about
silk linden
there's a world baseball?
fallow raven
Yeah
silk linden
don't like only 3 countries care about baseball
fallow raven
3 of the largest yes
silk linden
and I can only think of 2 actually
fallow raven
It's mostly Asia USA and south America
Which believe it or not
Is a large part of the world
deft valley
There's US, Canada, Japan, Korea, like 12 latin american countries
fallow raven
Lmao
deft valley
and then European "teams" that are mostly Americans wiht that country's heritage
fallow raven
China
deft valley
like 1/16 level of heritage
silk linden
anyway, it's weird to autoqualify the runner ups
fallow raven
So you don't like it therefore no oNE does okay cool good to know who I'm discussing with
fallow raven
So? What does that have to do with anything
deft valley
I'm not talking about baseball the sport in general, it is a big deal in some places
but WBC isn't
silk linden
so, you listed 1 example of runner ups qualifying, and it's for a tournament that's not that important
fallow raven
You asked for it I provided it don't get mad now
silk linden
more often than not, for major tournaments, it's not the case
deft valley
↑
silk linden
lol who's mad
deft valley
“Veex - Today at 8:38 PM
that's the same in any sport
the only ones automatically qualified are the host and often times the previous champion
Investigate 311 - Today at 8:41 PM
and even those not always
DC - Today at 8:41 PM
Well not really but...”
silk linden
you were complaining runner ups don't auto qualify for the OWC, listing literally one example of a tournament where that happens, while by and large it's usually not the case
deft valley
jesus christ
fallow raven
Same with the Olympics and basketball
deft valley
yes, it's not the same in every sport
deft valley
it's still the exception rather than the rule
fallow raven
"Not really"
deft valley
and a rare one
silk linden
in some sports not even the winners qualify
deft valley
what is your point
fallow raven
My point is that's not how every sport operates
Which is all I said in my initial statement
That you quoted
limber pine
i just like how practically nobody has noticed there's 8 less teams this year
on Reddit at least
tight vault
wait what
deft valley
there were 32 in the groups last time
the 4th place in most of the groups were basically filler
so i doubt that'll change much
limber pine
yeah the bottom 8 teams won 0 matches and like 10 maps total
fallow raven
It's Canada's year
silk linden
!tmobile xQc
SBB to pitch at the Mets game
they were too afraid to let Jjonak do it because he would throw the ball at the batter's skull and pierce it
SBB will throw it at the ground in front of him and run away
hidden osprey
I hope Goldenboy is hosting again
brisk roost
I think Goldenboy hosts only if Puckett is away
torpid charm
^^^
magic zinc
They might give him a break for OW WC though
vestal mortar
Aww yes! I am gonna go to the World cup again this year!
deft valley
SBB is probably still better than whoever mets have
hidden osprey
I just wanna see him plug T-Mobile with his slick af transitions
pearl stratus
"T-Mobile. Because its okay to be poor. BACK TO OWL!"
magic zinc
PSG Stadium would be awesome
silk linden
I live fairly close to Nice, and always planned to go there someday 
I've only been as a child
brisk roost
Same here
deft valley
Fun post on the national breakdown
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/410471354979057674/428132123514503168/PcE086V.png
vestal mortar
I'll go wherever it ends up being in France, I needed a holiday plan anyway
fallow raven
Canada is insane
indigo barn
Who’s the Canadian dude on Boston??
indigo barn
Oh ok
pearl stratus
Houston the only team without that Blue.
fallow raven
LOL xqc is giving a speech for how he canget back on stage for team canada rn
I'm hyping up team C
From now til November
fallow raven
it was comedy
pearl stratus
He'll be the only person who has to trial XD
The rest get in automatically from being in OWL.
mellow hawk
which overwatchleague team should i start hardcore supporting? 🤔
paper crag
Fuel and SHD
The underdogs, of course
But also pick a top tier team for your heart health
wet oyster
fusion
deft valley
fuel don't count as underdogs
for underdogs you have to have a scrappy story
Fusion is an underdog-turned-cinderella story
Fuel is a hyped team flaming out
pseudo sedge
is it too late to use bits for emotes and stuff
@plush trail hi sorry but do you happen to know if the owl leauge is over and if it is too late to get the emotes
magic zinc
OWL Stage 2 is over
There's still 2 more stages
We start again in.... 2 weeks?
Signing window closes then as well iirc
silk linden
in his stream xqc is saying he'd drop everyone on dallas but custa, effect, akm, rascal, oge and seagull
with custa, effect, oge and rascal starters
new supports, new main tank, new off tank, and I think he said a new dps too?
I mean, rip envy, but I think he has a point
but then he said something about not forcing scrims and giving the players more freedoms rather than forcing strats on them, which, idk
vestal mortar
🤔
vestal mortar
Yes
fallow raven
spicy
silk linden
"coaches are washed up, unless they're like a top 10 player, they might just stick to managing the players' personal lives and let them come up with the strats"
again, I see some reason in his madness
I maintain xQc is brilliance badly mixed with retardness
vestal mortar
They work 6/6.5 days a week. Usually having 2? scrim blocks a day on non-match days as far as I've heard.
fallow raven
@silk linden if i relate this to pro sports, for xample the MLB, obviously the coaches are washed up/older and dont play anymore, but that doesnt take away from their experience
being a good player doesnt exactly equal good coach
silk linden
ok but ow is 2 years old
fallow raven
yes that is fair
i can see why players dont fully trust their coaches and their ability
silk linden
with an ever changing meta too
like, do you think the spitfire or the NYXL coaches come up with strats and impose them on their players? I doubt that
more likely they try and enable the players to come up with them themselves
fallow raven
shouldnt they be able to? as a coach?
silk linden
try and give everyone a voice, try and make everyone feel comfortable
fallow raven
i mean, its one thing to come up with strats and forcing ones that dont work
but i see both sides of it
i can see the point of giving players more control
slim summit
I can't really imagine coaches having much more insight into the game than some of our smarter players
silk linden
yeah
they have experience with esports and life as an esport team in general, which is valuable
but as far as the actual game of ow, the pro players are the experts
they should be moderators and caretakers more than strategists and leaders
which is still very valuable
tbh I really wanna know what the coaches from the successful teams do
vestal mortar
I think the best thing as coach is to give your player the tools they need to win. Looking at enemy team VODs, finding weaknesses to exploit, telling players where to improve their play individually and as a team and coming up with strats but I think it is important to give players a choice, if the coach strat isn't working and getting countered, they should have other things to try. Trust should be mutual in a team/coaching relationship imo
silk linden
yes but you should also establish a leadership
makes it clear that while everyone's input is appreciated, it's gotta be the team leader who makes the call
fallow raven
as long as the coaches can provide hydration in the form of free gatorade i really see that as the most beneficial
there's no need to over-do it
enable the players with gatorade
vestal mortar
What do you think about the LAV situation with their coaching/management setup?
fallow raven
I bet a lot of teams are going through similar issues, but LAV decided to publish them in the form of a mediocre youtube video 😂
slim summit
I think people are ... assuming too much
fallow raven
its hard not to because the only thing we have to go by is what they put out
slim summit
they get a nugget of information and take it to be endemic of the entire organization
fallow raven
which is laughable
silk linden
I actually don't mind the concept of a B team too much, though they should make it less set in stone
fallow raven
the video made the sister team feel like theyre being sent to a far away isolated island
lmao
vestal mortar
Taking Agilities to In and Out to tell him he had one more chance killed me
silk linden
make A and B team, but try and have players swap between them every once in a while, even if just in scrims
just to experiment
vestal mortar
Like, it was in the parking lot too
fallow raven
bahaha
whole mulch
Didn't he blow that final chance
he played in LAV's last game and did poorly didn't he
vestal mortar
Ehh idk about that, we'll have to wait for the next video to see if they go out for burgers again
fallow raven
agilities gets PTSD everytime his teammates or coaches bring up the idea of in n out
whole mulch
I've never had in n out :(
whole mulch
We have five guys but I hear in n out is better
pearl stratus
Five guys has better fries.
torpid charm
Five Guys is great
silk linden
dallas fuel and valiant are the proof fast food is bad for you
pearl stratus
In and Out burgers are worth throwing a baby off a bridge into a pen of wolves for.
silk linden
meanwhile chef heidi hard carrying philly
torpid charm
she talks to us sometimes on the discord and she's so sweet
pearl stratus
In n Out had some hilarious things happen to.
whole mulch
Who's chef heidi
pearl stratus
You used to be able to order any number of patties.
Double double for four patties, eight double for 16 etc.
whole mulch
personal chef for philly?
silk linden
yep
pearl stratus
Till 10 people ordered a 100 patty burger.
torpid charm
yes
pearl stratus
And they put a cap on it.
whole mulch
100 patty burger...wtf
torpid charm
Chef Heidi is constantly whipping up some amazing food, I love that lady
silk linden
it's cool that there are professionals that aren't bothered by this weird esport stuff and are down with it
slim summit
They're probably pretty excited
Yeah, personal hygiene is a bit below average but they get to do something cool and unique
whole mulch
...I just searched "Philadelphia Fuel" and wondered why there were no suggestions
torpid charm
I've never asked her what she's thought about the whole e-sports thing but next time she pops up I'll ask.
Philadelphia Fuel 
whole mulch
:D
torpid charm
but she loves the boys so much
silk linden
"wanna come plan and cook meals for a bunch of weird kids living in an house getting paid to play videogames"
"...sure I guess"
slim summit
ask her if I should get an air fryer or just a normal deep fryer
I've been way too lazy to research it for myself
torpid charm
deep fry everything
whole mulch
Air fryers are healthier
slim summit
so is watching Overwatch 6 hours a day
fallow raven
cant deep fry stuff if you dont know how 
whole mulch
but idk how well they work
slim summit
yet here we are
torpid charm
TRUE
slim summit
I got a 30% off Kohl's thing so I was thinking about that ... but deep fryers at Cabella's aren't much more expensive
torpid charm
I need to start watching contenders more often because it's hella interesting
slim summit
It's hard to go back from the luxuries of OWL spectator client
silk linden
contenders korea ftw
fallow raven
toronto esports best contenders team NA
torpid charm
I gotta watch Fusion Uni
slim summit
Wish they would share the love with Contenders
torpid charm
I spent a whole school day watching KR contenders, hella lit
whole mulch
I watched KR Contenders to see runaway play
indigo barn
They don’t need a cook
They just need red bulls and hot pockets
It’s not like they’re a sports team
fallow raven
gatorade
silk linden
I've never had a hot pocket
fallow raven
pizza pops are better
indigo barn
But u kno it can’t hurt to eat good even if u do just sit in a chair all day
silk linden
they're all bastardized versions of panzerotti aren't they
whole mulch
They're similar
torpid charm
Hot pockets are amazing
whole mulch
a cheap quick to make microwave alternative
torpid charm
but they got a chef because none of those boys can cook like that, plus they had a hard time staying healthy so they got Chef Heidi
indigo barn
They gotta work out on the side
torpid charm
they do
silk linden
having a chef sounds lit in general, don't have to think about what to do, have tasty stuff to eat that's also good for you
fallow raven
philly is the best team in the league hands down
indigo barn
Don’t want fragi turning into flabbi
silk linden
it's like a life goal of mine
torpid charm
they planned on getting her anyways but she helped a lot
silk linden
have a personal chef and a personal chaffeur
torpid charm
Philly bois best bois
fallow raven
joemeister just needs some playtime
whole mulch
I want someone to make an all girl OWL team
indigo barn
Still should’ve sub in shadowburn for nyxl
silk linden
the thing about giving subs playtime, is why do that when the starters work
whole mulch
Eqo did good vs london but against nyxl they should have put shadowburn in
torpid charm
I agree with SDB being put in