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#esports-discussion
tall sierra
This Sunday
fluid dagger
isn't it end of day saturday
tall sierra
Few more rounds left
rustic basin
So, since I’m new to the League. What the hell is going on with Shanghai. 0 wins?! That’s awful.
tall sierra
sorry my bad..
fluid dagger
sheesh 100-0
onyx shore
@rustic basin bad players
tall sierra
This Sunday are the playoffs
fluid dagger
no chill
rustic basin
Yeah that was no contest.
onyx shore
how's sinaatra so far?
onyx shore
better than yesterday?
fluid dagger
remember when boston was the worst team in the league? 😛
rustic basin
Striker is dominating right now.
tall sierra
He was better yesterday
tall sierra
But that better as in..still avg
Yea... def not living up to it... even in individual play
I'm aware this is only the 2nd day but... individual play wise... not up to par
onyx shore
yeah,thank gawd sbb is paid more than him
rustic basin
Sinatra switched to Soldier
tall sierra
yea lol
fluid dagger
i dont get how kazper can go between widow and pharah like this lol
rustic basin
WOW
tall sierra
dang saw that coming
tall sierra
Lucky stray shot
onyx shore
tact visor?
tall sierra
Not too surprising lol
tall sierra
Very rewarding
fluid dagger
gamsu noooooooooo
rustic basin
BOOYAH
rustic basin
that character swap was just what the doctor ordered.
fluid dagger
we'll see if they can deal with kazper widow on ruins tho
tall sierra
Ah dang...that drop though.. only if it worked
rustic basin
Sinatra is widow?
fluid dagger
apaprently
no babybay so i guess he's it
boston played those sightlines sooo well
onyx shore
will mr 150k get rekt again
rustic basin
Wow this is looking really bad.
ruby pendant
Uprising widow is better
fluid dagger
get danteh off tracer plz
rustic basin
Where the fuck is the team?! XD
tall sierra
Ouch that shot
ruby pendant
gonna be hard to turn things around.
onyx shore
150k lul is the new jlulke
onyx shore
LEL
rustic basin
Gg well deserved.
tall sierra
Dannnggg
rustic basin
Maybe next time.
onyx shore
150k widow
tall sierra
Yup that ult bank..
supple prism
woo
onyx shore
rustic basin
⚡️⚡️⚡️ valiant effort
tall sierra
Very well deserved
fluid dagger
was a good match
jagged crater
sinatraa thought he could beat dream at his widow
fluid dagger
danteh shouldn't play tracer
tall sierra
150K can make one blind/wishful thinking lol
fluid dagger
lol
jagged crater
prb should've stuck to sin on tracer and danteh on genji
tall sierra
yea..
fluid dagger
it seems SF was planning on just losing the widow duel
rustic basin
Today was a good day, I’m convinced I’ll be watching this as much as possible.
tall sierra
Boston played so well as a unit...
warped axle
ResidentSleeper
tall sierra
@rustic basin right on..yea it's fun... great matches... OWL is a wild card lol...
Anything can happen
fluid dagger
if they wanted to really challenge the widow map on ruins they would have run babybay. Instead they went for the build they thought would win the other two.
Once it got 1-1 on ruins they were pretty lost
onyx shore
anything can happen except shd's victory
tall sierra
SHD will get a victory soon for sure..
rustic basin
The League seems to be doing well monetary wise as well. Hope the momentum keeps up.
onyx shore
btw
tall sierra
Geguri, Fearless, Ado
fluid dagger
Dallas showed up today
onyx shore
playoff when?
fluid dagger
finally
onyx shore
this week or next week?
tall sierra
This Sunday
onyx shore
ah i see
tall sierra
Busy weekend fellas
rustic basin
That Dallas comeback was awesome.
fluid dagger
but seriously fuel played so well
fluid dagger
they just needed to run bird man again
onyx shore
game 5 between dallas and nyxl was a prove
gaunt acorn
onyx shore
that
fluid dagger
Seagul is secret weapon
onyx shore
nyxl wasnt taking their opponent seriously
rustic basin
considering all the suspensions and bullshit that’s happened, very glad they won today.
tall sierra
Who's playing OW now? lol
fluid dagger
im going to bed, almost 2am here lol
rustic basin
yeah going to bed as well. What platform do you play the game on?
tall sierra
Yea Dream..well deserved
rustic basin
I play on PS4
tall sierra
PC
rustic basin
Damn.
fluid dagger
PC
I love seeing Boston challenging playoff spots after being considered possibly lower than SHD
rustic basin
And then at 8:00pm tomorrow will be a massacre apparently.
fluid dagger
going up on pornhub
onyx shore
btw
rustic basin
The Dragons; The Jobbers of the OWL
onyx shore
is there any scenario where dynasty can still qualify for the playoff?
let's say they win 4-0 tomorrow
tall sierra
Good grief tomorrow's games...
tall sierra
Some close, but some slaughter coming
onyx shore
@fluid dagger if dynasty won 4-0,do they need LAG and philly to lose?
dynasty still need to be careful though,tviq and logix are on fire
fluid dagger
@onyx shore not sure of the numbers but i believe if philly gets at least 3 maps tomorrow then there's nothing dynasty can do
tall sierra
Seoul still has a chance...the map count between Philly, LA and Seoul is pretty small
fluid dagger
philly is up 2 on seoul in map count
tall sierra
I hope for Seoul to go through as it's my main team 😃
onyx shore
london is practically locked on #2 spot
bcos they only play against dragons tomorrow
but seriously
rustic basin
Alright guys I’m getting off for the night. Thanks for the warm welcome. See you all tomorrow.
tall sierra
Yup yup
tall sierra
See ya @rustic basin
onyx shore
so it's a disadvantage for the teams that don't play against shanghai
fluid dagger
if dynasto goes 4-0 and philly goes 3-2, philly still has higher map count
onyx shore
also an advantage for the teams that don't play against korean team
fluid dagger
so philly has to lose for dynasty to have a shot at playoffs
onyx shore
also they need LAG to lose,right?
tall sierra
Philly +11
LA glad +10
Seoul +7
Hmm so how does this have to play out..
fluid dagger
gladiators spot is more achievable
if glad gets anything less than a 4-0 their spot is in serious danger
fluid dagger
well it wouldn't hurt 😛
onyx shore
if either philly and glads win,dynasty is out
tall sierra
Seoul has to 4-0
LA Val has to 4-0
Boston has to 4-0
fluid dagger
if dynasty 4-0 and glad 3-2 then dynasty has the better map count
tall sierra
Hmm even if LA Val 4-0's then Philly and Seoul would be tied
fluid dagger
so it could go dynasty 4-0, glad 3-2, philly (any loss)
tall sierra
This is going to be interesting..
fluid dagger
no if philly loses, the map count might be tied but the match points (which matter more) would be in dynasty's favor, meaning dynasty takes the spot
tall sierra
True
fluid dagger
it's certainly doable in that matchup
but FL has been playing much better lately, won't be easy
fluid dagger
Boston has to start getting more 4-0 matches to make back their map deficit. Even if they start getting the match wins they'll struggle to take spots of people with better map scores.
warped axle
Only problem with Philly in playoffs is that they would fight London and get destroyed again
tall sierra
K so if all the games go as planned tomorrow and Saturday....
Seoul 4-0 Florida ---- This will give Seoul +11
LA Val vs Philly --- This is the variable ...determining factor ...
Boston vs LA Glad --- Also a variable.
fluid dagger
Boston has solidly proven that they can take a match off of anyone, especially if you don't take them seriously and often even when you do.
onyx shore
well if london won the playoff,then looks like they gonna win the stage again
bcos we know that nyxl chokes on final
tall sierra
I see it boiling down to NYXL vs London
onyx shore
not a bad thing though,i dont really care
fluid dagger
the field is closing in on them though
onyx shore
i just want to see high quality overwatch matches
tall sierra
I would like to see NYXL vs Seoul
fluid dagger
the gaps even between stage 1 and stage 2 are much closer
onyx shore
btw
tall sierra
I mean who would have thought London would beat NYXL in stage 1 yea
onyx shore
what do you think is seoul's problem?
this always happens after they face london and new york
fluid dagger
they played ana but not with RJH at the wheel 😛
onyx shore
depth? confidence? pressure?
tall sierra
They are waiting too long to engage in the plays...
Allowing the other team to get wayyy to close to a point..which lessens the margin of error.
It has been biting Seoul
onyx shore
at the start of stage 2 they said that their problem is they couldnt abuse the mercy meta back on stage 1
fluid dagger
it was working before but teams are catching on to the strategy and diving them in their little hidey holes
tall sierra
Seoul is more than capable ...they just need to execute faster.
tall sierra
Yea Seoul doesn't have the pool like NYXL and London
onyx shore
their B team just isn't good
fluid dagger
Before teams would see seoul and just stay on point. Now teams are chasing them down while their weak and then capping point
onyx shore
when you play gido and xepher,their performance drops immediately
onyx shore
and i also think they are still confused on who to play 2nd dps beside fleta
sometimes bunny is better
sometimes munchkin
fluid dagger
speaking of which
they haven't been playing fleta as much altely
did i miss some news?
tall sierra
Had Seoul won today, 4-0 ... it would leave them in a similar spot with a tied map count and +1 over LA Glads
So it can still go either way.
There could be some internal indecisiveness going on, but I really think they are just being overly patient, robbing them of being able to execute their plays...
Seoul we know can be super OP... when they are on fire it shows..
fluid dagger
The fuel strategy, team comp, everything has been so weird
they bench some of their strongest players, have people playing off spec, it's so weird
fluid dagger
lol
tall sierra
lol that image is so disturbing haha
onyx shore
Not bad for my second day of playing DVA with the team. Had some rough maps but a very fun match. GGs @NYXL
— Brandon Larned (@A_Seagull) March 23, 2018
oh ffs
no brigitte on stage 3
onyx shore
basically
onyx shore
the main tank of dallas fuel = defence against the dark arts teacher at hogwarts
that position was cursed by xqc
onyx shore
cocco needs to destroy's xqc horcruxes that are hidden inside fuel's apartment and then beat xqc to break the curse
shy wind
Welcome to Overwatch League. Which team are you playing for?
Dallas Fuel.
Here is your suspension, sir. Enjoy your stay.
I love this clip from jake
tawny sigil
so tommorow the playoff will be decided?
onyx shore
yep
tawny sigil
or is there some wiggle room saturday?
shy wind
Is london secured yet or nah?
tawny sigil
ok i'm looking at it now
where can i see map differiancial?
oh nvm i see it
ok if either Glad or Philly wins EVEN a 3-2(+1)
Seoul is out
if they both lose, Seoul need at least 3-2
supple prism
what if they all lose?
onyx shore
if they all lose,philly will go to playoff probably
shy wind
Interesting
onyx shore
yeah,seoul will need to 4-0 mayhem tomorrow
tawny sigil
Glads and philly are 1 map difference
onyx shore
and hope philly and glads lose
tawny sigil
nah if glad and philly lose they dont need to 4-0
tawny sigil
Seoul just needs a win, the rest is not up to them
W6 L3 24-13-0 +11
Los Angeles Gladiators
W6 L3 23-13-1 +10
Seoul Dynasty
W6 L3 22-15-0 +7```If philly wins, 3-2 or 3-1, Glad needs to get 4-0 to be in
if philly wins 4-0 they're locked
Looking at the standing there is a 1/1000000 chance that london doesn't make the play off
onyx shore
london gonna face SHD tomorrow
tawny sigil
they would have to lose against shanghai and dallas
onyx shore
match against SHD is already ez 4-0 or 3-1
tawny sigil
They have Geguri now no?
onyx shore
geguri arrived today
tawny sigil
most likely not playing tommorow
tawny sigil
she's probably awake during night time right now
tawny sigil
If i had to put a percentage on all of this.
60% Philly 30% Glad 10% Seoul
so its a bit of friday and saturday aswell
i have no idea where to get the info if the differiancial is the same
if philly wins 3-2 and glad 3-1 they are equal
so i have no idea who will be in the play off cause they dont shows us the map score
deft valley
isn't head to head the second tiebreaker?
tawny sigil
i dont know where to get that
so that's what you can look forward for tommorow and saturday
wet oyster
that is the world's most confusing chart
feral solar
Easy enough tbh
deft valley
The second tiebreaker is head to head
tawny sigil
yeah where can i find that
deft valley
it's listed on liquipedia, i think also was in the explainer video yesterday
tawny sigil
overleague only shows win and map diff
deft valley
it means in the third case (3-2 philly and 3-1 LA) Philly is in because of this week's match
tawny sigil
what does head to head mean, whatever last match they had with that team of same score?
deft valley
the result of the matches between two teams
not necessarily the last match, it's usually the total
but for stage playoffs there can only be one
OW's tiebreakers after total map score are H2H map score and then H2H record
so a team that went 4-0 2-3 2-3 against the other will be higher
deft valley
oh lol there's actually a possibility for LAV to be in too
but pretty much eveyrone above them has to lose
vestal berry
How did Dallas almost win that?
tawny sigil
steroids
vestal berry
Damn, I didn't think they had brain steroids, I need one for my tests
gaunt acorn
the juice*
deft valley
*adderall
pearl stratus
@vestal berry Long story short they finally figured out a tank comp that wasn't garbage that allows them to play Rascal + Effect and keep AKM on the bench.
Turns out when Hastr0 shuts the fuck up and doesn't meddle you can eventually get some results.
lilac atlas
@pearl stratus Im pretty happy about their performance yesterday and this is a great lineup to work with
silk linden
I'm bummed the stage is ending now, I have this sinking fear that Dallas won't keep up the momentum
lament dune
Upset of the century if they win that one.
deft valley
fun fact: london can still be out of s2 finals
they have to lose to Shanghai and Florida
lament dune
Well, that would be an interesting turn of events.
deft valley
and LAV is not out at 4-4
but that is browns-making-wild-card-at-5-11 type of speculation more than anything reasonable
If Philly makes the s2 finals, both stage finals so far will have been all-Atlantic
lament dune
Did the Mayhem get a single win this stage?
deft valley
yes
forest raven
They beat Dallas and Valiant
deft valley
Shock too
lament dune
So they're still doing better than the Dragons.
visual glen
Dragons vs Fuel in stage 3 will be interesting
pearl stratus
It'll be a real game at this point.
I love Mickie, but thank god he's not on D'va anymore.
It was barely a step up from MG.
He's not a horrible Winston too, which is a benefit. Needs more practice, but not horrible.
I honestly assumed most of last nights games were going to be huge blowouts.
I was pleasantly surprised they weren't.
limber pine
last night's games were probably the best single night in a while
tawny sigil
Watching Fleta trying to win the widow duel VS linkzr was kinda stupid.
scarlet spear
fell asleep in the middle of DF vs NYXL 
tawny sigil
at this point there should be nobody on widow if linkzr is on widow, We'll have to see about logix
tawny sigil
not even close
indigo barn
They were Houston haters so
tawny sigil
Houston won 3-1 cause of linkzr
indigo barn
Linkzr vs logix tho 🤔
scarlet spear
statistically fleta is the superior widow compared to linkzr
tawny sigil
yeah
indigo barn
Statistically
tawny sigil
but linkzr won pretty much every widow duel
so fleta was just never alive to pick anyone else
scarlet spear
sure didnt last night, but i'm pretty sure fleta was dominating linkzr in the first stage
where seoul won 3-1
tawny sigil
its like Alright he normaly gets more pick then you, but you lose 1v1 everytime so you're not getting anything done
tawny sigil
last stage?
indigo barn
Yeah
indigo barn
It was just jake and clockwork
scarlet spear
just saw that, mustve remembered wrong then
limber pine
linkzr was sick IIRC
indigo barn
Linkzr is the anti widow widow dude
lilac atlas
Oh yeah, he was sick when they face Seoul in stage 1
strong parrotBOT
Overwatch League - Season 1 - Stage 2
pearl stratus
Fletas overall widow is typically better than Linkzrs widow.
HOWEVER.
Linkzrs widow dueling ability right now is unrivaled.
torpid charm
Tobi = very handsome
pearl stratus
That's the difference.
Also it was nice to listen to Jake be stupid humble about tracer/etc.
And to watch Linkzr one clip Munchkin a few times.
pearl stratus
His stats in K:D vs other widows is really gross.
Last I saw it was Fleta, Linkzr, Birdring for top Widows.
Fleta maintains something like.. 33% of the kills when he's on Widow.
indigo barn
Linkzr made up for the game he missed vs Seoul in stage 1
strong parrotBOT
Overwatch League - Season 1 - Stage 2
pearl stratus
I feel bad for Sinatraa so far. Poor kids fans need to slow their roll on his hype.
And let him adjust.
indigo barn
He will up his game eventually
pearl stratus
Of course he will, he's coming over from ladder.
indigo barn
If not, Danteh May take back his seat
pearl stratus
Danteh + Sinatraa are better than Danteh + Babybay honestly. Unless a Widow is really needed.
indigo barn
That 150k better be worth it
lilac atlas
Also, the coach frequently said that he wasnt able to practice with the team before
indigo barn
Yeah it has been working out I gess
Expecting shock to have a shot at stage playoffs next stage tbh
pearl stratus
He needs to adjust to OWL level of competition. Ladders not even close to the same.
His Tracer style works on Ladder, doesn't work when people study you.
pearl stratus
Yeah. I just don't want his fans to get all pissy and xQc him.
Salt and toxicity for everyone.
indigo barn
Don’t want another xqc situation that’s for sure
rare sonnet
Dallas vs NYXL on lijiang tower is exactly the reason why dive sucks ass to watch
Crowd was going crazy because mei reaper was amazing to see
pearl stratus
Crowd was going crazy because the point flipped like 18 times.
It could have been done with naked midgets covered in thousand island dressing fingering your grandmother.
They still would have gone nuts.
rare sonnet
NYXL barely touched it
pearl stratus
I didn't say they held it, just that they flipped it.
rare sonnet
Control centre, nobody gave a shit about the other maps
pearl stratus
It's like watching Fissure solo take a point somehow via his Father Fissure magic after his team dies
rare sonnet
I’m going to go back and just watch that one round
pearl stratus
Or watching Linkzr dismantle Seoul and keep Fleta down somehow.
rare sonnet
I think a whole team running an off meta comp is way more exciting
pearl stratus
Yeah and that's fine. I love when Hydration pulls out Doomfist.
But I like watching good games no matter the comp. Until they make better maps you're not getting rid of die.
*dive
So I just enjoy it anyway.
strong parrotBOT
Overwatch League - Season 1 - Stage 2
slim summit
I still can't believe Houston pulled out the W against Seoul yesterday
that was awesome
and Dallas took NYXL to map 5!
indigo barn
And Boston got revenge on shock!!
slim summit
The title matches are looking a lot better defined this stage than last
slim summit
Gotta be Philly
indigo barn
Philly goes up against valiant tho so idk
That said, they r like the 2 most inconsistent teams in the league
So who knows yo
slim summit
Glads have to win with +2 and Philly has to win with +1 for Glads to advance
very possibl e
slim summit
but if both win with the same map differential, Philly wins the tiebreaker
actually, +2 and +1 isn't big enough
it'd have to be +3 and +1
+2 and +1 is what would tie it
indigo barn
London is most likely going to be 2nd, right?
slim summit
Yeah, they're playing Shanghai 😛
slim summit
Philly beat NYXL, and London loves losing to much worse teams
I'd believe it
London is actually playing both Shanghai and Fuel
indigo barn
Ok gg
Yay we’re going to get London and nyxl again.... and London wins again.... shrug
slim summit
so provided they don't lose both matches, nobody can knock them out of #2
that but unironically
I've been supporting London from the start!
Feels good to be on top
indigo barn
Well ur probably gonna win another stage then
Unless philly upsets all this sht
Or la glad, too early to tell
slim summit
I could definitely see both Philly and Glads taking down London
Philly is easily my 2nd favorite team so
I wouldn't be too bummed
indigo barn
Philly will get rekt again by london
jagged crater
bigger surprise of the night, houston or dallas?
indigo barn
0-4 last time but things change
jagged crater
both huge in my eyes
indigo barn
Yo Dallas was a surprise tbh
jagged crater
Dallas was literally looking like shanghai levels bad considering they were getting 0-4'd by shock and mayhem
indigo barn
But they blew their shot
slim summit
Dallas finally learned how to turn on their monitors
jagged crater
and then they go and take NYXL to the last map
indigo barn
Map 5 was slightly brutal
jagged crater
with new roles
indigo barn
Well it worked
jagged crater
Map 5 might've been an unpreparedness thing
indigo barn
Nyxl gotta be ready for surprises
jagged crater
Dallas didnt expect to even reach a 5th map xD
indigo barn
Idk if Dallas was excepting to go to map 5 lol
jagged crater
so they were playing illios like solo queue
indigo barn
Nyxl is king of control
jagged crater
and Dallas beat NYXL on lijiang
indigo barn
Except in that liijang
jagged crater
that says something
indigo barn
2-0
slim summit
There was a post about that on the sub recently, let me hunt it down
jagged crater
it says they got some hope
indigo barn
Remember they are envyus
jagged crater
considering how grim it looked, and then OGE got suspended xD
jagged crater
they put mickie on main tank (who didnt do well before) and seagull on dva who never really played dva at an OWL level
and somehow SOMEHOW it worked out
it's fuckin magic
or nyxl was being nice
rascal popping off on genji/mccree too
love seeing new players pop off
slim summit
rapid tiger
for those interested, I sat down with KyKy yesterday for an interview which gave some good insight into what's been happening with the team. Here's part 1: https://medium.com/@hjbaker96/exclusive-dallas-fuel-coach-kyky-on-roster-decisions-the-owl-schedule-and-team-confidence-part-af4b83ecd032
indigo barn
Kyky is so bae
jagged crater
this was done before news of OGE's suspension right?
so the surprise mickie on main tank might change things again?
actually really curious what they're gonna do now
pearl stratus
"We didn’t really have any other main tank options at the time — Cocco has kind of lost his way, I would say, at this point"
slim summit
yikes
silk linden
Rip cocco
Such a good dude, he could find success as an analyst, like Reinforce
We need personalities like his
pearl stratus
Seagull keeping his roster spot via Ark.
Also according to Seagull that was his second time playing D'va with the team lmao.
limber pine
he played pretty damn good for his 2nd time
pearl stratus
I hope they don't get some weird idea to swap Mickie back when OGE finally gets around.
I like Mickie, but Seagulls D'va just looked flat out more cohesive and better.
silk linden
I'm still too scared to get my hopes up, but damnit I want them to beat London now
pearl stratus
Also lots of respect for going on camera and talking about his Tracer logically to Jake.
No excuses, called it like it is. I'll respect that.
I distract people for Linkzr to do work. I'm the worst tracer in the league. I'll get better.
silk linden
He never denied that
slim summit
seems like a nice guy
silk linden
He's certainly a professional. Takes his job seriously
pearl stratus
He's probably the most articulate person in the league, maybe Custa.
And I know he never denied it Veex. But to drop it right in the game summation match, after putting up a solid tracer performance against Seoul.
It's a good way to kind of clip people off.
I'm going to rewatch Seoul Houston tonight over one of the real matches I think. I want to see Linkzr Widow things more.
silk linden
Linkzr was a living highlight reel. Granted that's what effective widows are
But he was enabled so much
pearl stratus
I like when Fleta went Genji to deal with him.
And he just killed him on Genji instead.
Like.. just stop Linkzr.
STop.
They can only die so much.
drowsy fulcrum
ree
pearl stratus
Also Jake pulling out the Random Point A Hanamura Hanzo and putting out a crap ton of damage real quick
Of course Libero showed him up next match against Dallas. Because Libero's Hanzo is just god damn Robin Hood.
silk linden
I can see why hanzo is effective there though. The map isn't too deep, sonic is good to look around the corners, easy to keep climbing up and down the choke to shoot
jagged crater
linkzr outwidowing fleta, now that's somethin
silk linden
fleta was headshot 9 times in gibraltar
jagged crater
hardest carry ive seen out of a dps
silk linden
widow is like that, either feed or carry
jagged crater
i find it even crazier that linkzr was rarely mentioned as a top dps before he joined OWL
rarely on the lists
on OWL he really proved his worth
silk linden
reminds me of when philly put in snillo for the first time and moved carpe to widow against glads. I said something like "I hope snillo can flex, because if widow doesn't work might as well put carpe back on tracer"
one match later "ok they're fine"
yeah Linkzr is one of the players who stepped up the most in OWL
pearl stratus
Linkzr, Dreamkazper, Libero, imo.
silk linden
Libero was already good
indigo barn
Seoul wins
pearl stratus
He was good, but he wasn't NYXL good. His team really kept him down and you didn't see him shine.
jagged crater
dream and eqo were the biggest surprises, relatively unknown before OWL
jagged crater
dream was in some t2 team that went nowhere
indigo barn
Liberos pool is like as big as dreamkazpers
limber pine
and jjonak
pearl stratus
Dreamkazpers Widow last night was insane too.
limber pine
for as much as ppl say he was pulled off the ladder
pearl stratus
Yeah, he's kind of nutty.
jagged crater
we knew jjonak was mechanical god but just unknown in a pro setting
pearl stratus
The game sense and leadership out of Moth too, kind of interesting.
jagged crater
rank 1 on KR ladder multiple times as a support player
silk linden
I thought Jjonak was already expected to perform come OWL. Though maybe not to the level of being legit considered the best player in the league
indigo barn
Almost as good as dhak
jagged crater
daddy dhak 😦
indigo barn
It’s ok he he can cook some grub
pearl stratus
Dhak going to join the old folks home with Cocco.
jagged crater
he'll be shock's chef
silk linden
dhak is a Jake case imho. Not great mechanically, but good leadership
pearl stratus
He's a lot less impactful than Jake on the field, beyond that I'd agree.
jagged crater
dhak moving to management/coaching role maybe
indigo barn
Heck yea
silk linden
but you can kinda afford having a sub par tracer, not so much a sub par main support
pearl stratus
Every now and again we see some silliness out of Jake last night.
Like him pulling out the Jakerat on King's Row last night.
And just being a terrorist.
jagged crater
jake didnt need to be a mechanically god tracer as proven from last night vs seoul
silk linden
sometimes you gotta go back to your roots
pearl stratus
He's smart. He knows where people are going to go.
That makes him a terrifying Junkrat.
indigo barn
But as long as no one touches linkzr
silk linden
like tviq going back to his roots of "good overwatch player"
pearl stratus
Against Munchkin no less.
silk linden
he outperformed munchkin for sure
jagged crater
"support" tracer
pearl stratus
The thing is, and SBB talked about it the other day on his stream, Jakes Tracer is actually kind of scary.
Not because its good right now.
indigo barn
Yes Jake plays support tracer
jagged crater
a tracer that doesnt carry damage wise but enables his teammates to perform better
indigo barn
Jakes tracer was ass just a couple games ago
pearl stratus
SBB, Sinatraa, etc. They've all been playing Tracer since the game launched just about.
indigo barn
Tracer can fill a lot of roles
pearl stratus
Versus 8 weeks.
silk linden
hey, if the koreans keep praising jake, either they're all in on a meme we don't know about, or they're onto something
indigo barn
Jake is finding de wae with de tracer
pearl stratus
Koreans value very different things I think.
silk linden
yeah
jagged crater
koreans value smarts
pearl stratus
They're more worried about cerebral players than mechanical ones.
jagged crater
you can tell
indigo barn
Koreans must be scared of shadowburn then
silk linden
to them mechanical skill is a given, not worth thinking much about
jagged crater
it's why you always see them praising seagull as well
jagged crater
but mechanical skill is def praised as well dont get me wrong
pearl stratus
etc.
It's more you can always get better.
But you can't always get smarter.
Will Jake ever have like.. Dafran tracking? No. But he'll get decent enough that his game sense will carry him more.
Hell, we even saw Jake land a pulse bomb last night.
And he didn't kill himself with it.
Baby steps.
silk linden
I'm still glad they tried linkzr on tracer at least
pearl stratus
I think Linkzr is going to BE the tracer.
indigo barn
They both can play tracer now yay
silk linden
it may not be the way forward, but it's gotta be a a possibility
pearl stratus
But beyond that Linkzr will always be on Tracer.
pearl stratus
Pretty sure Jake said his Widow was basically blind.
pearl stratus
He straddles the line pretty well.
His Soldier isn't bad, just rusty.
So he'll have Soldier, Tracer, Genji, Pharah, Junkrat, basically.
Which is actually a good combination to have with Linkzr.
They have good overlap.
jagged crater
has nyxl used pine in stage 2 vs good opponents yet?
magic zinc
I think he was played in Week 1?
jagged crater
when flow3r is active, pine prob wont get any time 😦
jagged crater
rep
jagged crater
he was usually picked for illios in stage 1
and popped off
or the one time he played tracer vs shanghai and had some record breaking stats
but it was vs shanghai so it was weird
pavane is headcoach, not wizardhyeong?
pearl stratus
Lmao.
People are flipping out because they found out Uber has a degree in aerospace engineering.
Yet does OWL broadcasts.
limber pine
I can see Uber running around a classroom teaching ASE
pearl stratus
Someone was like "It was a c to get the degree situation I bet."
Response: "There is a C in Summa Cum Laude."
God dammit Uber.
magic zinc
The man has a way with words lol
north beacon
Is geguri playing tonight?
pearl stratus
It's 50/50. After Ado's response to his play, I feel like it could be detrimental even if it is a "So what" situation.
Ado took the loss to Houston pretty seriously, I wonder if the coaching staff didn't properly prep them for the "Just play your best and get used to the stage. The winning doesn't matter."
So you may not want to throw her in jet lagged after 20 hours in the US.
And be like "PLAY THIS GAME AND LOSE."
magic zinc
I hope she won't play, if she fucks up there'll be a lot of hate and she's not really in a condition to play
jagged crater
they didnt have many options since diya and undead left
magic zinc
On the other hand there's nothing to lose and you might as well ease her in
jagged crater
so ado and fearless were last minute plays, didnt expect them to change anything so soon
they said they were speaking english too?
that's like double language barrier
dont see how geguri could screw up an already terrible shanghai situation
cursive talon
is diya coming back? just redo the visa right?
pearl stratus
Yeah but you do lose confidence and such, even when you go in knowing you'll lose.
Ado's responses from the other night make me feel bad. He was legitimately upset at it.
slim summit
Who is Shanghai going to be able to beat now?
Many of the worst teams throughout stages 1 and 2 have improved
even now, the next two teams Mayhem and Fuel, are playing at a much higher level than previously
though in the case of Fuel I'm basing that off one data point (their match against NYXL last night)
silk linden
it's not about what team can beat what other team
any team can beat any other
shangai don't need to become "better than some teams" to beat them
pearl stratus
Yeah Fuel we need to see if they maintain consistency in this new style. I think OGE has as much chance to harm or help the cohesion we saw last night.
silk linden
they just need to reach a good enough level and then wins will come
pearl stratus
And Shanghai always have these bursts of brilliance. You see it every match, its just maintaining it in a consistent style.
I think the new players will help that a lot.
slim summit
All I mean is, the bottom 6 from stage one have been much more competitive with the top 6 this stage
pearl stratus
And the english thing is kind of whatever actually.
slim summit
but Shanghai has not changed
pearl stratus
Both Korea and China pretty much have mandatory english classes. You don't use it often so it gets lost.
But its still a common basis between the two.
Smarter than using just one of the languages however as well.
silk linden
well, we wouldn't have said this about dallas just the other week. We've seen just how much one week can change
or one addition, see the gladiators
indigo barn
Does shanghai get their first win today????
silk linden
no
indigo barn
Does Florida mayhem win today????
pearl stratus
Sometimes its one or two little pieces that need to click.
Florida could win.
Even against Houston you could see that Fearless was going to have an impact.
indigo barn
Houston kinda struggled vs Shanghai
pearl stratus
I wouldn't say struggled, they fairly dominated them.
But it was because Tairong knew both Ado and Fearless.
And they actually did prep for Fearless aggressive style.
And he still almost pulled out a few Fissure plays.
slim summit
Is it correct that Seoul has to 4-0 today if they want to make it to the title matches?
pearl stratus
I think Fearless is going to surprise a lot of people; I think Ado needs to get a lot more comfortable.
And I think a lot of teams are going to be caught off guard when Shanghai actually has two tanks.
But - they still need another DPS. Whether its MG, or Diya comes back.
indigo barn
So is undead gone for good
pearl stratus
Nothing confirmed.
Oh also -
There couldn't be a player union till 2020, basically.
Contracts are for two years, not one.
whole mulch
I think Dallas should stick to what is working for them
but I'm half expecting to see another taimou winston
Anyways I do think dallas could have won if they had an actual main tank player
and if chips got a little more peel
pearl stratus
I think with how well Mickie performed in his first match as Winston we won't see a Taimou relapse.
My biggest concern is that to keep Mickie PMA they'll push Seagull back out again when OGE comes in.
And that's bad.
Because Seagull in two games looks better than Mickie after two stages.
whole mulch
I don't know if we have enough playtime from seagull's dva to say for sure but it certainly did look better
only issue I had was he let chips die a lot
pearl stratus
Chips lived really well till the last stage.
whole mulch
while mickie spends too much time peeling, seagull doesn't spend enough time doing so
yeah that was illios right?
tracer's best mode is koth. SBB was literally one clipping him
pearl stratus
Yeah, I honestly feel like they didn't prep Ilios.
Like they didn't expect it to go to 5 games.
whole mulch
To let SBB get on your high ground
and one clip your zen
it's an issue from both the zen and the people peeling for him
i don't think they were ready for that level of tracer play
pearl stratus
But for the first four games I think the everyone took up the mantle of peel for Chips really well.
whole mulch
Yeah
pearl stratus
Tehre was also the point where Chips stayed alive against ... Meko? I think
whole mulch
everything just went downhill when chips started being hard focused
pearl stratus
Until everyone made it back to the point.
Which was bananas.
I still think they didn't really practice Ilios.
They went in thinking 'Lets try this new stuff'
And quickly went 'Oh shit, we're winning games?'
whole mulch
Anyways if Dallas continues to run this roster, and potentially replace mickie
pearl stratus
And the entire team looked wonky on Ilios.
whole mulch
I think they can be a top 6 team
pearl stratus
I don't think replacing Mickie inherently is the right answer, honestly.
I think I might use OGE to teach Mickie some first.
Because Mickie is that like.. positive person that can really help in some situations.
Especially to balance out Dallas emo dps.
OGE has a big ol' suspension anyway going into Stage 3.
whole mulch
4 games, is it?
slim summit
4 games starting yesterday
so only 2 games in stage 2
err
only 2 games in stage 3
pearl stratus
Ah I thought they'd do it all in stage 3 rather than split it up
whole mulch
I'm genuinely curious how rascal feels right now
slim summit
same
whole mulch
coming from a team that beat nyxl twice now?
pearl stratus
I think Rascal is in a good spot, though I bet he's a bit upset about his genji.
slim summit
I think they're trying to take pity on Fuel
whole mulch
or is it 3
pearl stratus
Twice
Wait no. 3 times
Twice in S1, once in S2.
But I think Rascal just wants to play.
And yesterday was an affirmation of him getting play time.
Not riding the Fuel bench because Hastr0 is all over AKM's dick.
whole mulch
His mccree was really good
cerulean plume
^
pearl stratus
His McCree was nutty.
whole mulch
I never expected rascal to be a good cree
never really heard of him playing cree at all
pearl stratus
He legitimately was shutting down SBB in some spots.
whole mulch
I know mei is a niche of his
pearl stratus
Though my favorite Cree from yesterday.
Was Kazper dropping the dead eye to flash Danteh.
So pretty.
whole mulch
Must be on adderall or something
pearl stratus
Kazper was on fire last night, he's fun to watch.
whole mulch
Kazper is someone I know from my solo q games from over a year ago. Never expected him to be picked for OWL
he's doing really good
came from being a "nobody" to being a star
pearl stratus
I'm not a huge fan of Nomy overall.
whole mulch
Danteh surprised me too honestly
pearl stratus
I feel like he's on the lower end of the Winstons in OWL.
whole mulch
Nomy isn't too great, no
pearl stratus
Danteh however is probably by far the most improved player in OWL
limber pine
does either BB or Sin play genji?
whole mulch
Both do
pearl stratus
Both do, neither really better than Danteh.
pearl stratus
Shocks Genji situation is like Houstons Tracer one.
whole mulch
BabyBay played genji for shock
Sin may play some genji but right now they're putting him on tracer
limber pine
that'll get solved with Architect
pearl stratus
I don't think we'll see Sinatraa looking really good till mid-stage 3.
whole mulch
Sinatraa needs to get used to his team. I don't know how much scrim experience he has
pearl stratus
Used to his team, and drop his stream/ladder playstyle.
You can't play a style that literally everyone has seen for six months.
whole mulch
Definitely
pearl stratus
You become super readable.
whole mulch
there's a reason top teams are using their B team for lower tier teams
to hide what new strategies they are going to use
pearl stratus
Minus SBB, who just has his own style that no one can comprehend.
whole mulch
not play the same old strat
SBB is like
a hybrid tracer
Focuses on enemy supports but also focuses enemy tracer
pearl stratus
He can do so many different styles of Tracer at the drop of a hat.
It's so gross.
You think you get used to how he's playing
Then the next game he switches tempo and picks new targets.
whole mulch
His play yesterday
pearl stratus
And you're back at square 1.
whole mulch
impressed me more than any other tracer I've ever seen
I don't know why people hype up Effect so much
pearl stratus
Him + Libero in the bush ambush on Seoul was the best thing I've seen in OWL in a while.
whole mulch
one of the least impressive tracers in the league
pearl stratus
I think Effect would be infinitely better if he got out of his own head.
whole mulch
there's a reason he was shunned out of korean teams
pearl stratus
He has these moments of being really solid.
whole mulch
yeah he takes things to heart too much
pearl stratus
Then he starts thinking again.
And fucks it all up.
Just let it flow.
Be one with the blink.
Saebyolbe's blinking around like Bruce Lee. Just being like water.
pearl stratus
He likes Minecraft.
He has a Jake Tree.
He calls the Creepers Jakerat, because they were scary. But thats where he killed it. And it became the Jake Tree.
pearl stratus
Him and Jake are actually pretty good friends, apparently.
magic zinc
I thought he called them Jakerat because they explode lol
pearl stratus
Could have been, my original viewing of it was with a really bad translation
jagged crater
sbb & jake got a bromance thing going on
since duoing on ladder before OWL even started
tight vault
jake is the best
jagged crater
is effect the least impressive tracer in the league because of him or his team?
he had moments where he tilted and performed terribly
but i dont know if we can 100% blame that on him
jagged crater
yesterday vs NYXL, whole team looked more revitalized
even effect looked happier and didnt do too bad
if the whole team is happy, effect does good things
tight vault
we don't speak of xQc
jagged crater
stoop is back!
limber pine
jagged crater
was wondering where he disappeared after fnatic
pearl stratus
I think Effect looks least effective because of the change in style from EnvyUS to OWL, and the growing pains involved in it.
EnvyUs was a 5+1 style that had everyone babysit and push one DPS to the max.
That turned out to work horribly in OWL.
So they swapped to a more synergy of the whole team approach, which left him in a lurch.
Then he overreacts to bad plays and gets into his own head.
And is hard to dig out.
Very similar to Taimou, actually.
jagged crater
was taimou ever the dedicated carry player?
dont think he was, more like he just handles tilt poorly
rascal's performance 👌
cept map 5 we can forget about that because the whole team looked lost
limber pine
Unpopular opinion: Dallas looking good yesterday simply boils down to them playing their 6 best players
tight vault
yes
3-1 
4-0
limber pine
I'd believe it
tight vault
0-4 
😉
indigo barn
3-1
tight vault
3-1
indigo barn
I really think phillys gonna choke
limber pine
it might be less philly choking and more LA actually playing like they're supposed to
I don't expect Philly to lose, but I wouldn't be surprised if it went to 5 games
tight vault
so were all expecting florida to win
indigo barn
I never expected valiant to 4-0 houston
And heck yeah florida takes home the W today
tight vault
why
indigo barn
As it appears they don’t know how to deal with a widow
They had linkzr to deal with
Now they have logix on their hands
tight vault
what if shanghai wins
limber pine
then that'll be their first win
tight vault
upset of the century
tight vault
shanghai is going to beat new york
deft valley
they're only "inconsistent" because they run their B-team against bad opposition
limber pine
potato potato