it probably wasn't just kyky, but kyky definitely has to go
#esports-discussion
silk linden
balmy wolf
i think undead should take a break
gaunt acorn
he will likely be taking a permanent break
balmy wolf
so xqc will play in his garage
gaunt acorn
he will play competitive mode while streaming
he's no longer an overwatch league player
tawny sigil
image you play comp,, and you get some terrible team mate that don't listen and can't coordinate for shit
now imagine being stuck with that team for 6 months
and being matched against smurf constantly
this is a nightmare undead has been living in the past 2 months
pearl stratus
Honestly for Diya it's probably just the 13 hours a day, and still losing.
I bet that kind of breaks you.
torpid charm
poor Diya
sullen berry
on the topic of contenders AU
paper crag
Watch them somehow get a win out of this
sullen berry
Masterminds and Blank esports are the only two teams representing who I take their performance seriously
@paper crag map wins will still be high value for them, as taking a series off the top two is highly unlikely
paper crag
One can dream
sullen berry
that's not to say tank/support play can't redeem themselves
paper crag
I feel like taking a map is more a hindrance to the team that loses a map to fuel
Than it does good for fuel
sullen berry
it's a very steep hill taimou has to climb when harryhook/custa/ships continues to be levelling and not gaining momentum
paper crag
In that regard, it’s probably a bigger hit for london
Has nyxl pretty much guanranteed a spot in the playoffs?
sullen berry
nyxl isn't in a position to drop a free series just yet
paper crag
Unless they lose every map and the remaining three win all of theirs, they’re probably in it right?
Which is pretty unlikely
I havent really looked at the scores though so im not 100% sure
torpid charm
Fearless is finally in for Shanghai
gentle jetty
this team is an embarrassment
who the fuck thought it was a good idea for effect to do a full ama and then blast the team, i mean, they deserve it, the management is completely dysfunctional, but this just worsens it
lyric pivot
Fact:. More people watch overwatch league matches than professional women sports.
onyx shore
yikes,now pine have to take down his phone case photo
jeezus christ owl,how snowflake-y can you be
fresh arrow
i think they'd rather be called snowflakey than labelled as a company that harbours potentially offensive content
i guess all things considered, at least OWL twitch chat isn't as bad as what i'm hearing about logan paul's new twitch channel is right now
onyx shore
yeah,everything is potentially offensive today,what isnt?
fresh arrow
i mean imo it's partially up to twitch to clean up chat
iirc twitch paid blizzard for rights to OWL
blizzard is in its rights to have the chat how it wants
but twitch chat as its own entity is nasty as fuck
like when preseason was only on MLG and everyone was complaining about "muh twitch chat"
fresh arrow
twitch needs a proper competitor in the business
deft valley
actiblizzard own the mlg platform which has actually better streaming for events
they don't need facebook
fresh arrow
mlg is actually superior in quality
fresh arrow
the only problems are the lack of mobile support
onyx shore
and more mobile support
fresh arrow
and arguably the chat but honestly it's garbage on both
onyx shore
if they really want to manage everythign
blizzard can make their own streaming platform,via battlenet maybe
but they won't
at this point
fresh arrow
it's the mindset of people needing something as trivial as twitch chat that restricts growth on other platforms
onyx shore
if blizzard somehow ultimatum twitch about the emote
i think it will be owl's loss
not twitch
fresh arrow
twitch loses because they paid for the rights to OWL
onyx shore
well yes,then owl also loses viewership in long terms though
fresh arrow
blizzard can just move to MLG and anyone who wants to watch is forced to follow
deft valley
they won't do it now because they have a contract
fresh arrow
OWL only really loses because of poor mobile support for MLG and the little kids needing their twitch emotes
deft valley
which twitch paid them money for
and if they break it they will get sued
But they don't "need" twitch
onyx shore
they can always broadcast it anywhere
heck,broadcast it on youtube
and the emote wont stop
fresh arrow
if MLG is the only host for OWL, it might be enough incentive for them to properly develop an app
deft valley
doesn't the owl app have streaming
onyx shore
it took blizzard how many years to implement invis on battlenet?
deft valley
you're saying this as if it was a technical issue
onyx shore
i dont think they want to do it,taking their business elsewhere
fresh arrow
twitch culture in general needs a serious cleanup regardless
onyx shore
well,this pepe "accident" just proved that blizzard is consistent in inconsistency
xqc trihard : context matters
pepe : context doesnt matter
these pepe things won't be any news if blizzard just ignores it
fresh arrow
idk they didn't really care about xQc's context imo
the way i saw it, trihard was used bad once before and the situation sort of was kind of similar so fuck you bad luck you should have known the history and not replicated it
they didn't even care that he uses it in a non-racially motivated context
and with pepe, it's like
it's being used badly, the situation isn't really the same but fuck you bad luck you should know the contemporary meaning and not used it
and it sure as fuck wasn't even close to being used in an offensive context
it's similar enough imo
onyx shore
that's basically "i interpret this emote whatever i want,ignoring other things"
heck,the so called "alt right" didnt even abuse the pepe the frog until after it was labelled as "hate symbol" by ADL and co.
bitter phoenix
The fact that being offended is a state of mind and trying to makes rules and laws against it is silly. But I come from a time when sticks and stones broke my bones and words didn't hurt me.
onyx shore
it'a a frog meme,with various expression
bitter phoenix
And if you were being a shitty person you might get your face smashed against the ground. The fact that we all live behind a screen has made it so everyone feels they can be as shitty as they want without any issues. And it's been that way since AOL msger.
Trying to change that is gonna be hard since it's been like 20 years of this shit. But I welcome change when it's a good one.
I don't think I've personally used a emote in a twitch chat.. and I've been using twitch since it was justin
onyx shore
it's just bullshit that people can't post birthday tweet expressing himself with a frog with a happy expression without fear losing his job
or having a phone case
bitter phoenix
I agree that is bullshit. But they are at the head of the shitstorm.
onyx shore
the shitstorm that they made themselves though
this pepe things won't be a news if they ignore it
heck,this pepe things wouldnt even be a thing in other esport
bitter phoenix
Blizzard needs to sit down with the players and explain to them they now work for them, and they are trying to be the Disney of the gaming scene
And if they don't like it tough shit find a new job
we also need to stop catering to the masses that are waiting to be offened
onyx shore
agreed
silk linden
it's not about catering to the masses waiting to be offended, ffs
it's about playing it as safe as possible
sure maybe going overboard sometimes
but saying stuff like "people should just stop being offended by everything" will get you nowhere
bitter phoenix
No, but catering to people that get offened by anything is not the tight way to go with things
fresh arrow
but i'm pretty sure people are somewhat offended by blizzard catering to offended people as well
it's not as simple as it sounds
bitter phoenix
Yeah because you seem to think they don't exist. I know people that look for things to get upset about
silk linden
I didn't say they don't exist
bitter phoenix
And that seems to be the socially correct thing to do these days
Getting upset and throwing a fit like a toddler gets you what you want
fresh arrow
and you imply that "arguing" for the alternative isn't also throwing fits?
bitter phoenix
I still want them to ban boy bands
fresh arrow
and also spamming the "blocked" content isn't also a fit?
bitter phoenix
I'm not spamming blocked content
silk linden
"they shouldn't cater to the pc whiny crowd, they should cater to me, meee"
they don't cater to anyone
bitter phoenix
Or throwing a fit. I'm more so laughing about how silly it all is
silk linden
they just try and be as open to anyone as possible
fresh arrow
that's nice that you personally aren't participating in the spam
but that's how it's currently panning out
people are whining about their emotes and consequently spamming them
and that behaviour is basically anticipated for the next broadcast
bitter phoenix
I'm throwing them in the same basket
People forgot how to be civil because it stopped working once the word offended became a thing
fresh arrow
"they are trying to be the Disney of the gaming scene"
i feel like with this statement, you are advocating for the removal of the emote bans
which is why i have the impression that you will look away from the people who are protesting the emote bans
bitter phoenix
Not so much. More or so how they are treating certain players.
I don't give two shits about xqc
fresh arrow
it's not really disney-esque if the league is playing favourites
bitter phoenix
Making the players abide to standards never imposed by any other esports league and going to the extreme of having them remove posts from personal social media because it could possibly offend and or upset people l. With the outcome of being fined or loss of a job. Is very Disney like.
There is going to be extremes on both sides. Finding the happy medium is hard to do when the normal social standards of life don't yet seem to exist online
I did just get off a 12 hour shift at work so my words and thoughts are very vague and hard to understand. My point is simple. To much change in a drastic direction at one time will be met with a ton of push back.
Baby steps. Start by releasing a code of conduct and better mods in the twitch chat.
giving players a fair and balanced review when they are suspected of a violation of said terms.
scarlet spear
im still waiting for richard lewis to release their code of conduct
thats gonna give me a good chuckle
bitter phoenix
Because even thought I could hardly care about xQc, I do feel like he may of been shafted and used as an example to put fear into the other players to basically be robots and what not.
I'm sure I don't know enough to make an informed argument about his case in general because I haven't really looked to hard into it. Just from what I've seen people posting on here. and a few other discords.
But oh well.
at the end of the day a shitstorm will get them views and that's all that matters.. right?
magic zinc
"Looking for the Feelsbadman?"
"Nah its definitely not there"
This is r/Overwatchtmz quality lmao
scarlet spear
yikes
torpid charm
that was funny ashell
sullen berry
Lowkey best episode of emote control, a segment that I've gotten to love pretty quick despite the lack of variety as it is
warped axle
Korean contenders still look good
scarlet spear
oh snap, meta winning against KDP
finite cedar
And clearly
vestal berry
What's the first match tm?
limber pine
v 
silk linden
that might actually be one of the most interesting matches of the stage
granted OWL is hard to predict, inb4 it's a boring steamroll
scarlet spear
pearl stratus
Sideshow with a little bit of shade on Jake.
"JAKE has great positioning and awareness, despite the fact that he looks like he is aiming with noodle arms sometimes on Tracer. "
torpid charm
limber pine
Jake is not a bad tracer
It's just that every other team seems to have a tracer specialist
and even if Clockwork is Houston's, he never plays
pearl stratus
Jakes just not an OWL Tracer, he admitted it himself on his last game Analysis. But he's trying to do what the team needs since you really can't run -without- a Tracer.
pearl stratus
Clockwork plays a very... insecure Tracer.
He settles for a lot of easy body damage onto tanks and doesn't go for supports (most of the time). So he in essence looks like a much more effective tracer because you see him getting de-mechs and tank sticks.
And in general higher damage numbers.
scarlet spear
i was trying to findd the tweet again.. did flame delete it? 
pearl stratus
But its like gold medal damage in a comp game, its not always effective damage.
Probably.
I mean his own players and half the league made fun of him for it.
indigo barn
Tomorrow it’s Gladiators, Mayhem, Dragons
paper crag
When you say insecure tracer, you mean like insecure about one’s own skills, right? Not the tracer pick threatens team security?
pearl stratus
Yeah, insecure in his own skills. He very rarely puts pressure onto supports, its only just rarely started to happen.
So while he could be argued to be the better Tracer than Jake, I honestly feel they're about equal.
And Linkzr is better than both on Tracer, but has better overall other flex options.
paper crag
But isn’t it fine if he can still reliably take down tanks with his team?
Like if i can kill a tank 80% of the times i try as opposed to 25% for supports or something
I’d go for tanks
Not that these numbers mean anything lol
pearl stratus
Yes, and no. It can be fine, but at the professional level you should be able to reliably do both. If you watch someone like SBB or Soon they will take free damage on tanks when they can for pulse bomb but their primary concern is supports.
Since dead supports stop pushes cold more often than not.
The best one I can remember was NYXL vs. Florida.
paper crag
Yeah i’m just saying if you can’t reliably do that, it might be better off doing something you can do
pearl stratus
SBB had 65 Killing Blows, and 44 kills on Supports.
That's a -lot- of dead supports.
paper crag
Of course it’d be much better if you can do both
So i guess outlaws just needs someone who can play tracer at owl level and be a dedicated tracer
pearl stratus
I don't even think a dedicated tracer, just a really good one.
And I don't think this plan of biding their time till Jake gets there is going well.
paper crag
That’s pretty much what i meant
pearl stratus
Tracer is not an overall easy hero, it's going to take more than six weeks.
paper crag
I just feel like the good tracer players pretty much end up dedicated tracers
Because of the meta
pearl stratus
Tracers kind of like D'va. There's very rare exceptions she's not good.
paper crag
Effect to outlaws lol
pearl stratus
But it also boils down to them having another more reliable shotcaller too.
Because if Jake isn't around for shotcalling because they're slotting a tracer they need someone else to step up full time.
Preferably Rawkus or Muma I would guess.
paper crag
I wonder what it will take for dva to be picked less but not turn her into absolute trash
I feel like it’ll take more indirect nerfs than direct
pearl stratus
As long as she has boosters and defensive matrix she'll always be strong.
Map design will do more than nerfs or buffs at this point I feel.
As long as there's a lot of high ground to take advantage of mobility will always matter a lot more.
fresh turret
Guys you wanna talk about how amazing the OWL schedules are?
It's wonderful that I can watch my favorite teams vs each other live
Starting at 2 AM on a school night
pearl stratus
Man. It's almost like a league playing in LA has timing schedule around LA.
It's completely baffling.
slim summit
Just go to sleep immediately when you get home and you can get 8 hours in before 2 am
then stay awake until the next afternoon when you get home
same wake time, same sleep time, more OW time
Unrelated: i really really hope Houston beats Seoul
pearl stratus
So 2AM on a school night. All weekday games start at 7PM EST. That's a +7 on timing.
So for it to start for you at 7PM they'd have to play at noon.
On a weekday.
jagged crater
is fuel dead yet
fresh turret
Yes
fresh turret
Just saying that it feels bad to be so into something but not be able to watch it live pretty much ever
pearl stratus
Just get your country and places around it to buy teams
Since they want 28 teams.
And I'm assuming they'll have times where teams travel to play in other peoples stadiums come next season.
So people in the US are going to have to watch based off London time zone, or Korean time zones, etc.
As long as theres enough teams around.
I'm betting we'll get 2-3 more Korean teams next season though.
Like from actual Korea.
fresh turret
No that'd be fucked up if they had to travel and all that, it wouldn't be a win for anyone obviously
slim summit
If they're going to have home stadiums (they are)
they're going to have to travel
how it will work out logistically is a mystery to me
pearl stratus
Spitfire already have space in the new Soccer Stadiums.
fresh turret
I did not know this was a thing
slim summit
probably have a number of teams stay at each arena for a week at a time
but even that will be quite a challenge
It's almost ironic that the city with two teams is the one where the stadium already exists
pearl stratus
The new Tottenham Spurs stadium, iirc.
My guess is they'll do it regionally, that's what makes the most sense to me.
cerulean plume
slim summit
total stage regional interplay?
pearl stratus
Like if Korea itself has 3-4 teams it would make sense to have a tournament or week there.
slim summit
or rather intraplay
slim summit
if they jump directly from 12 teams to 28 teams it will probably be easier
pearl stratus
Yeah, and then it matters on regional divide.
Also some teams may not have to have their own space.
For instance if there's somehow (there won't be) only one UK team
Maybe you don't force them to have a stadium.
Because it doesn't make logistical sense.
You do it in geographical clusters.
Say France got a team. You could easily do a week in London and then a week in France with minimal travel impact to players.
pearl stratus
Yeah, I'm sure its not going to be super fun.
slim summit
do work visas apply to the entire Schengen zone?
pearl stratus
But that's the smart thing about pushing it off to season 2.
There's a 5-6 month gap between Season 1 and 2.
So lots of time for bureaucratic nonsense.
Also its good for player mental health for a lot of them.
These are young kids - being away from home culture at a really young age like that is jarring.
slim summit
They're having such a hard time just playing in LA
imagine when they're on planes for likely 12 hour+ stints
going between Korea, the west coast, the east coast, and western Europe
pearl stratus
I think if it means they get more time at home as well it won't be as bad.
Look at, for instance, Gamsu.
He looks completely rejuvenated after going home for a week.
But its also entirely conjecture since we don't know how it will work.
My best guess is they'll separate it from week to week though - just because sunday to tuesday is downtime. But it really hurts scrim time too, so who knows.
silk linden
hey, one more reason to not like Spitfire
balmy wolf
hi! i'm assistant coach for O2 Ardeont, the Contenders Korea Season 1 team! plz check our debut match at KST 9PM!
silk linden
since you asked so nicely, I will try to tune in
limber pine
Korea Contenders ftw
balmy wolf
thx! i hope communication with forigners, include this group!
magic zinc
Thanks for the effort! Nice to see
paper crag
So geguri’s stream today was titled “last stream”
Anyone know anything about her visa status?
pearl stratus
It's approved.
She should be here on the 23rd or so.
Fearless and Ado are already in the US.
paper crag
Ah nice
pearl stratus
No clue about Sky.
paper crag
Less than a week ago, her visa interview was “canceled” and apparently the whole thing looked like it was up in the clouds
Guess it worked out lol
So is shd still out two dps?
Well, ado will probably fill one slot i guess
But do they have other dps available?
Maybe mg could be pushed into dps lol
His dva and zarya are gonna be completely outclassed by geguri, and i don’t think his hog will be much better if at all
So there’s really no point to run him other than if you really wanted someone who spoke chinese
Unless geguri somehow doesn’t mesh with the team at all, which i don’t think will be a problem since it’s not like shd was a shining example of teamwork anyway
pearl stratus
MG can Tracer decently. He's about a Houston level Tracer.
Ado was already showing off his chinese, he's apparently been working with a tutor for a few weeks. I'd guess the same for Geguri.
ruby pendant
Can teams use the new character this week?
vestal mortar
No
ruby pendant
@vestal mortar k, thanks.
deft valley
is she gonna be stage 3 or only 4?
magic zinc
Proooobably 4
deft valley
4 would make more sense but iunno
magic zinc
Considering she wont be even in normal Comp for us until next season
paper crag
wasn't blizz world also out before stage 2?
but it wasn't used in stage 2
if that's true, i think we can pretty much expect there to be at least a whole stage between releasing a new feature and seeing it on owl
feature as in map and heroes
silk linden
well maps are more justified, since there's a map pool
wet oyster
i highly doubt blizz world will be in play for any of the stages
at least to next season
wet oyster
bc at least the new heroes are optional to play if they're not at a pro level yet mut maps can't just not be picked by the teams
cobalt brook
balmy wolf
So will the brigitte be in next stage or stage 4?
silk linden
no idea yet
pearl stratus
Blizz was out by Stage 2
But it wasn't available in Competitive for Stage 2.
It was during its lapse between release and competitive play. Also if they want good games on it they need to give the pros enough time to practice it.
So from a logistic standpoint delaying it makes for better viewing.
Brigitte, also, may not be available in OWL till Stage 4, depending on if they go with her release date or her competitive date.
silk linden
as I said, blizzworld is not a fair comparison, since the map pools are restricted
only two hybrid maps were gonna be played in stage 2 anyway
coarse heath
Does super play off tank or main tank?
coarse heath
Yeah then main tank
wet oyster
he was a big rein back in lg loyal
balmy wolf
Super plays both, but the intro vid for sanfran said he is offtank
pearl stratus
I don't forsee him replacing Nevixx though.
Nevixx has hard carried that team through a lot of stuff.
torpid charm
I don't see him replacing Nevix either, he does work when needed. I'm not too keen about Nomy
pearl stratus
Nomy is a bit like Fragi to me.
There's a disconnect that doesn't limit how deep they dive sometimes.
And the supports aren't in sync enough to keep them alive through it.
Like Fissure and Shaz/Goose have a crazy sync where Fissure can dive into Narnia.
And come out alive.
Mano/Meko have it with Jonak and Ark.
torpid charm
true, Fragi has stepped it up though, I'm very proud. but I always notice that Nomy is hella off which bothers tf outta me
paper crag
so something that i've noticed you @pearl stratus do is that you refer to logix and nevix with two x's. did they originally have double x's prior to OWL?
i thought they had single x
scarlet spear
they dont
vestal mortar
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paper crag
optic academy = houston academy?
grizzled mulch
yes
paper crag
i wish they'd just call themselves outlaws academy or something lol
like make all academy teams call themselves either [region] academy or [OWL team] academy
not that it really matters
so which team do you guys think will be the first to pull a dodgers and switch cities?
if that's even possible in how owl is structured
scarlet spear
whoru on tracer
tight vault
nut
scarlet spear
flame isnt in charge of the contenders team is he ?
tight vault
¯_(ツ)_/¯
torpid charm
I love my Fusion Uni boys
tight vault
scarlet spear
finally whoru on genji
yeah they got both whoru and alarm
really good pickups
sharp tho is fuckin 
paper crag
is the current Lunatic Hai Seoul's academy team?
tight vault
houston
paper crag
ah okay
scarlet spear
KSV bought the roster from lunatic hai
i think
lunatic hai doesnt have an OW roster anymore
paper crag
oh so lunatic hai literally has nothing to do with seoul anymore?
paper crag
i thought they made a new roster
scarlet spear
yeah but most of the players got picked up by good teams
and one of them got kicked from the team
for boosting
paper crag
oh so the new LH is no more
paper crag
lol wow
scarlet spear
they gave up their OTS spot for a different team
paper crag
what an end to such an iconic club
scarlet spear
optic academy is looking so good
for OW definitely
then again you have seoul now which is basically the core of that roster
just under a different org
paper crag
yeah
it just would have been cool if LH continued to put out great players
and kind of become that "high tier prep school" for elite players lol
latent temple
IM A GIRAFFE
paper crag
so do these academy players generally have their own team house and play from there, or are they playing from their own homes from all over the world?
heh, the contenders colors coincide with optic so it looks like optic already won everything
or they're hosting it, w/e
narrow dew
scarlet spear
academy teams mostly have team houses
some of them have
i know houston and NYXL avademy teams have
scarlet spear
fusion probably aswell
paper crag
i feel like OWL academy teams would in general have one
the independent contenders teams, less likely
scarlet spear
academy teams = OWL talent teams in contenders, so if its about academy teams they all have an Org behind them
yeah
teams like orgless and hungry
are on their own
paper crag
hungry lol
scarlet spear
god optic academy is lookin good
paper crag
look at this sharp guy, level 17? pfffft
i bet i can do sooo much better /s
i just realized fusion isn't "academy" but "university"
lol why
i'm almost certain they don't give graduate degrees
scarlet spear
just a wordplay i guess
paper crag
lol i know
so do you guys feel like there's any noticeable difference between OWL and contenders?
like quality of play, meta, etc?
i guess the meta would be different since it's the live patch
scarlet spear
jesus christ sharp is on fire
they could just take him out of their academy team right into outlaws and they'd have a good tracer i imagine
paper crag
and they can, right?
just scoop him up and put him into their roster next stage or something like that
scarlet spear
they could afaik, but so can other teams
i think people on academy teams are open to all teams for contracts
something like 25% of yearly wage as a buyout or somethin like that
for the team that sells
tawny sigil
what are the time for recap and preview thing?
is always monday and tuesday respectivly, and what time is it at
paper crag
who's the guy sitting on the right side?
he looks familiar
but then again, he kind of looks like a fitter version of RJH so that might be why he looks familiar
paper crag
has he been a relatively known figure in the OW scene?
i feel like i've seen him somewhere before
or esports in general
scarlet spear
dont think so for eSports but hes been casting a lot of OW stuff
so hes pretty well known within OW community i'd say
at least i only know him from OW
paper crag
is he a korean american?
or a different asian ethnicity
ugh why do i feel like i've seen him from somewhere lol
scarlet spear
hes pretty active on some twitch streams like aimbotcalvin
dunno what kind of asian, just know that hes from america
hes done stuff like world cup before
warped axle
PHILLY
warped axle
Zach is almost OWL level
cerulean plume
philly loves their genji mains
i mean if they sell any of them theyll get some good money
lethal plank
i swear i read that with an e instead of a u in that second name @limber pine used =x
limber pine
¯_(ツ)_/¯
lethal plank
dirty minds
glacial sleet
taimoue
gaunt acorn
big boss pavane
solar trout
heh watching misfits vs gigantti
Funny watching zappis trashtalk misfits, considering misfits became florida mayhem and now zappis joined them
ruby pendant
@tawny sigil There was a preview 50 minutes ago.
tawny sigil
yeah i saw
sullen berry
Preview's out, icymi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnrxddsCBag
supple prism
ok who we betting on winning on next match?
sullen berry
Gladiators, Mayhem, Outlaws
woven solar
silk linden
...nah
silk linden
You don't go from shitshow to threat with just those additions
Both teams have structural problems that need to be solved
At best they'll go from absolute shit to presentable
slim summit
Presentable probably still has them losing to Shock and Mayhem 
silk linden
Well yeah, they're two stages behind everyone
The other teams have had time to improve and get consistent while Dallas and Shangai still need to find a baseline to work off
Shangai could have actually been in a better position before their two best players had to leave
They could have had a straight upgrade in stage 3, but now it's back to the drawing board
silk linden
They're playing tonight
And they arrived like yesterday
I'll be surprised if they don't fall asleep mid match
magic zinc
Yeah but that seems out of neccesity rather than them being capable already
Oh yeah also that lol
whole mulch
You guys think Shanghai can beat Houston?
silk linden
No
magic zinc
Not a chance imo
silk linden
Not even Dallas can lose to Shanghai right now
whole mulch
Are their new additions in the us yet
silk linden
Yes, two of them
red anvil
@whole mulch both of shanghais dps players is in china
fresh arrow
ado is playing tomorrow
gaunt acorn
also undead likely not returning
and diya is on the fence
at least geguri arrives soon
forest raven
New main tank with no scrim time and been in the states for a couple days
Same for Ado
Diya isn't there
I'd be surprised if they took a map
gaunt acorn
yup
silk linden
explain
forest raven
Lateyoung and Jiqiren are ex-MY players
CC is the Shanghai Dragons' Academy team playing in Contenders
@silk linden
deft valley
pubg esports didn't work out
who knew
silk linden
I see
deft valley
huh
is it a China thing to have the team abbreviation right in the name
all CN contenders rosters on the site have it
silk linden
I've seen it happen all the time in esports
deft valley
it's usually as a prefix
and none of the other contenders rosters have it listed like that
nor does owl
silk linden
inb4 the shangai academy is straight up better than the main team
deft valley
lmao
scarlet spear
theres some people that have it like that
architect for example
has x6architect as his battletag
outside of china that is
sullen berry
LHGido or LHTobi don't sound too foreign, it's not prevalent with OWC Korea
but yeah, It's common in asian competitive gaming scene with clans and such
silk linden
PR got a hold of kyky's password https://twitter.com/KyKy/status/976366409537105920?s=20
Twitter
scarlet spear
maybe they send him their paypal
silk tiger
anyone know if sinatraa is playing against florida?
pearl stratus
They don't post pre-game line ups, so no. Won't know till the game.
silk tiger
how am i meant to pick who is going to win
i think i saw a tweet saying he would debut on saturday
pearl stratus
But they don't play NYXL again this stage, so there's a good chance they'll play him against most teams that don't have SBB.
silk tiger
paper crag
It’s pretty funny how at this point, it’s kind of an unfair advantage if you don’t play against NY, London, or Seoul
And a disadvantage if you don’t play against SHD
I want to say Fuel as well, but they did okayish early stage 2. Current Fuel though, definitely
pearl stratus
I just mostly like reminding everyone about the time Saebyolbe destroyed Sinatraa for an entire game and made Sinatraa complain with the dumbest tweets.
pearl stratus
HiS tEaM uSeD tEaMwOrK wItH hArMoNy OrB
slim summit
Sinatraa was doing fine in the first few maps but then he started picking dumb engagements and trying to overcome SK's whole "don't lose tracer duels repeatedly" strategy
instead of adapting to it
scarlet spear
sinatraa was good on the first point of the first map, after him popping off there he got shut down pretty hard
pearl stratus
It's also SBB. So far no one I've seen has come close to shutting him down.
torpid charm
warped axle
indigo barn
torpid charm
scarlet spear
pearl stratus
Sinatraa ama is kind of funny, and a decent mix of some maturity and his normal autism. Well done.
Best question and answer:
"Were you told to become less toxic once you joined OWL?"
"No I got older"
torpid charm
scarlet spear
is he even less toxic?
pearl stratus
He's smarter about it, basically.
He's still kind of an idiot, but he mellowed out when doing public stuff.
Also xQc threw more drama into the Fuel pot from the grave.
torpid charm
I'm never excited to watch Shock play but I'm actually hype for Mayhem vs. Shock
pearl stratus
Defending KyKy.
wet oyster
both mayhem and shock are super improved so im pretty hypu
pseudo sail
ICYMI, did a short interview with coach Pavane from NYXL. Hope you find it interesting! ^^ https://twitter.com/RadoNonfire/status/976267961362255880
brisk yarrow
pearl stratus
I mean it wasn't a thrash really. Yeah it was a 4-0, but none of them were complete blow outs.
A thrashing is like.. when NYXL plays Shanghai.
ruby pendant
What would you guys do if the new additions to the teams don't do as well as you'd want, like Rascal's performance.
pearl stratus
DPS performance has a lot to do with more than just individual play.
Take, for instance, Asher.
In Stage 1 he was one of the more ineffective DPS. He had his moments, but they were somewhat rare.
Then you add Fissure to the mix, giving a main tank that creates room and controls the field of battle.
Suddenly Asher is consistent and dangerous, with good stick potential and hard pressure onto supports.
So Rascal may have differing personal performance, but it can also be due to an insanely ineffective tank line that creates no room for their dps.
wet oyster
a thrash is like when anyone plays dallas fuel
pearl stratus
On a side note. I think Shanghai's Academy team might be better than their OWL team at this point.
I feel bad too because the two MY kids they just signed for CC would have been great on Shanghai while keeping things within the language barrier.
tight vault
tight vault
who are dey facing
grizzled mulch
cerulean plume
paper crag
fuel's been saving strats for this week
now they take off their limiters
fuel in their final form can lose a match without their enemies firing a single shot
cerulean plume
So much drama aside from xqc
paper crag
i feel like adding drama doesn't even make a difference at this point though
maybe i just stopped caring
but i feel like they're already at rock bottom, so nothing will really drag them further down
pearl stratus
xQc randomly defending Kyky. Inb4 everyone ignores Kyky and goes after Hastr0.
silk linden
xQc was suprisingly one of the only working pieces of dallas. His drama was mostly outside of the owl, whenever he could play he really performed
but you can't rely on someone who gets banned every stage
so now not only they have bad synergy, but they don't even have a good main tank
paper crag
and then the main tank you recruit after xqc is also suspended lol
silk linden
at least before they had the pieces of the puzzle and just couldn't put it together
well, except for mickie, his D.Va isn't great
Like, add Fissure to Fuel and replace their management with a good one, and they'd could be like the Gladiators
pearl stratus
My new thought process is that Houston should pick up Davin and give Linkzr a partner he's worked with before.
silk linden
ok maybe not like them, they had more to work off of
but the quality is there
it's not like shangai, where the players are just bad
so basically this is how I see the teams placing based on their characteristics:
- Good players, good teamwork
- Average players, good teamwork
- Good players, bad teamwork
- Average players, bad teamwork
silk linden
then again, the quality of individual players is hard to judge at that level imho. The skill is so high, little differences in performance make a lot of difference
silk linden
any of the koreans
pearl stratus
In terms of overall impact? I actually might give it to Nevix over the Koreans.
Nevix never fails to put in a lot of work.
ruby pendant
Don't think little difference in individual skill will make a huge difference. Rather effective cooperation and communication would overcome that and lead to bigger impacts.
pearl stratus
No the individual skill still matters, MG and Mickie are clear indicators of people who fall behind on D'va compared to others.
silk linden
off tanks are hard to rank
ruby pendant
@pearl stratus Sure, individual performance matters. However, communcation should be more effective in a team based objective game, which Overwatch is. You could assign the best players in the world ranked 1 in their respective roles in one team, but if they are ineffective communicators they may lose against a team with great communication and strategy but have less individual performance.
hallow cipher
Am I the only one getting washed out on the Overwatch league?
it feels like every game is D.VA and Winston and Tracer and Genji and just ugh.
paper crag
don't forget zen
hallow cipher
Yeah, Zen too
ruby pendant
you want more diversity?
hallow cipher
I heard Fusion picked up Doomfist and Mei comp
I actually liked watching that match
paper crag
oh snap
how does that work? mei setting up a wall for doomfist to punch into?
punch enemies into*
hallow cipher
I dunno, lol
paper crag
and freezing enemies to make easy targets?
idk how big of a help that is in pro level, but still
slim summit
glads ran Mei on Hollywood point A attack
and it was
awesome
it kinda makes me think that mei balance tweaks don't really matter
maybe they would have the secondary effect of giving people more confidence to experiment
molten skiff
they said this in watchpoint
but it was more of a shaky comp that required hydration not to miss his iciles
torpid charm
@hallow cipher yo I didn't even here that and i'm a Fusion fan
oh snap, we got Carpe back in for tonight
worldly acorn
I mean it helps if you're an OWL level projectile player
final river
Nice I thought Sinatra was going in next season, he plays today?
scarlet spear
yup
final river
Cool I'm curious to see what happens.
plucky sun
how does stage title matches work? is it the top of the stage who competes (those specific 5 weeks) or the top overall who competes (these 5 weeks and the previous stage(s))
ruby pendant
shock lost
deft valley
top of the stage
torpid charm
basically
unless something changes then Glad could be out
but their spot is lowkey solidified atm
torpid charm
there are a lot of ways that top 3 can change, like Glad could get knocked out and replaced with Seoul or Philly
limber pine
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torpid charm
scarlet spear
gun win, sry
pearl stratus
I actually think the Florida Shock will be the best match of hte night.
pearl stratus
Well Shadowburn should get better then.
slim summit
ShaDowBurn makes plays
pearl stratus
His flex is pathetically small, and he plays too passive.
pearl stratus
He was good for Stage 1 because he had the patience for the ults and you could get away with it.
But his pacing for Stage 2 is no bueno, and his hero pool is Genji and Pharah.
spring lintel
I wanna just see how sinatraa is gonna do, most other matches are boring tho.
slim summit
They run Genji all the time anyway
Deport EQO, bring back ShaDowBurn
I'd rather lose in style than win
pearl stratus
Why would they want to lose more? They're not Dallas.
torpid charm
I miss SDB a lot but rn Eqo is the better option
pearl stratus
Eqo is also the scariest Widow on the team it looks like. Which is nutty since Carpes is really good too.
fallow raven
L E T S GO GL A D
torpid charm
Carpe widow = big nut worthy
unborn portal
Im not convinced Sinatraa is gonna be such a badass playing against OWL caliber players
pearl stratus
He'll be okay. He's got LAN experience, etc.
But he's not going to be a Soon or Saebyolbe.
fallow raven
GLADBOYS
twilit mulch
3 close games today
torpid charm
Nerf SBB
twilit mulch
lol
pearl stratus
Everyone else plays on LAN, put SBB on wifi.
twilit mulch
lmao
pearl stratus
I can't wait for the OWL rematch of him and Sinatraa.
Because if he shits all over Sinatraa again, I'm going to die laughing.
idle beacon
where do i add twitch to my bnet ?
scarlet spear
could put SBB on mobile overwatch with unstable 3g on an old phone and he'd probably stilll shit on most other tracers
twilit mulch
LUL
scarlet spear
twitch settings
pearl stratus
He looks like a pedophile with that moustache.
idle beacon
ok so not in bnet acc settings
pearl stratus
Wheres the law and order soundtrack when you need it.
Time for Korea Dragons today.
twilit mulch
is it bad that i want shanghai to win
solar trout
No geguri no win ggs
pearl stratus
Everyone wants Shanghai to win.
twilit mulch
i hate most of the outlaws
solar trout
They can get a map (Unlikely) but certainly no win tonight. Likely no win until 1-2 weeks into stage 3.
twilit mulch
and its not because of the xqc stuff at all
inner coyote
whos playing in SHD this time? ado and fearless?
indigo barn
hardcore houston fan right here but i deadass want shanghai to get a win man
pearl stratus
Oh don't show the Dallas clip.
scarlet spear
i would like houston if flame wasnt the GM, dude just doesnt sit right with me
pearl stratus
Eqo basically lived in the Dallas team ON WIDOW.
pearl stratus
Sat in the middle of the team and shot people in the face.
trim wadi
Everybody Korean now
torpid charm
Eqo = a bully
twilit mulch
eqo is such a god
twilit mulch
eqo and boombox are why i support philly
idle beacon
now where do i have to be logged in, to receive tokens?
pearl stratus
I don't mind the Korean breakdown because I want to watch good games.
idle beacon
in my twitch acc or bnet acc ?
trim wadi
Let Winston Walk Upright
pearl stratus
If other people weren't shit at the game, we'd have more non-koreans.
torpid charm
@twilit mulch aye
idle beacon
@scarlet spear
twilit mulch
i support philly and the gladiators though
i want philly to win but also i want to see the gladiators winstreak
so idk
scarlet spear
twitch acc
indigo barn
LA GLAD STEAMROLL
idle beacon
ok thanks
scarlet spear
watch it on twitch and you get the tokens
torpid charm
Glad is great, I'm forever a Philly girl but Glad has been showing out. proud of both
idle beacon
@scarlet spear oh, not on the OWL site?
solar trout
LA GLA gon win
twilit mulch
gladiators - surefour/hydration. fusion eqo/carpe/snillo
indigo barn
So hard to predict this is so hard to choose -basically soe EVERY time
twilit mulch
such high quality dps
unborn portal
Shadowburn needs a bigger hero pool
trim wadi
If D.C. got a franchise im going all out as a fan
unborn portal
And to not hold his ult for so damn long
solar trout
Everyone pls go on twitch and cheer some bits
indigo barn
you dont need a bigger hero pool when you are god on genji
solar trout
We need that tracer. (Not need, but want)
pearl stratus
You do.
unborn portal
EQO begs to differ
indigo barn
i'm know i'm just kidding
pearl stratus
You can't be a god genji from the bench.
unborn portal
So does philly apparently
twilit mulch
eqo is just a god at everything i swear
pearl stratus
SDB is just becoming Seagull 2.0
trim wadi
E O
unborn portal
What does that mean?
unborn portal
Streamer that isn’t good enough?
twilit mulch
lul
indigo barn
oh sht FISSURE is playing instead of IIREMIX?? WAAATT???
pearl stratus
Benched forever while they learn a new hero.
I always forget Hydration has like 1727348 names.
twilit mulch
lul ninja has more viewers
regal parcel
Neptuno's such a mook lol
pearl stratus
On twitch probably, but remember OWL is also on MLG. So you've got bars etc.
solar trout
purple
idle beacon
lemmeh check the rankings and which team will prefer from a win
how obvious is it that phili will win vs val ?
nah
i'll root for LAG this time
if they win this and vs boston, they'll end up top3
no matter how good dynasty will win their next 2 games
longest map win streak?
on hanamura they mean?
indigo barn
EZ CLAP
fallow raven
CLEAN
trim wadi
If it was only on hanamura i think they would've added that part in
fallow raven
HYDRATION is JESUS
fissure gonna shut down EQO
philly is done
you heard it here first folks
fading wasp
How has Houston been doing recently? Have they rebounded, or have the trainwreck that is the Fuel just stolen their thunder?
fallow raven
Houston lost to Shock
but Fuel has been doing way worse
houston also lost to Glad last we ek
fading wasp
So not great, then
trim wadi
Rip Texas
ruby pendant
gladiators too good
fallow raven
glad ❤
fading wasp
C'mon, Shanghai. You have more of a chance today than you did against New York, at the very least!
fallow raven
Asher feeding rn
silk linden
shangai got unlucky when they faced dallas during the one week they were good
this stage
fading wasp
No joke
fallow raven
Damn, almost an opening for glad
fading wasp
Ahaha, nice try Carpe
trim wadi
NA pulse bomb
fading wasp
Couldn't even force OT
median saddle
oof
young sonnet
FeelsGladMan
twilit mulch
BOI
marsh pumice
trim wadi
Wtf lol
torpid charm
Fragi play is looking soo nice right now, very proud
fading wasp
Literally the only thing I understood was "ADADADADAD" and "monkey"
how tf do you communicate anything important through that shit
fallow raven
I like Philly beacuse of Poko
torpid charm
I like Glad because of Bischu and Fissure, I have a soft spot for all the tanks
fallow raven
yeah fissure is my #1 and Surefour is my boy too cuz hes canadian
torpid charm
nah, it's Suredaddy
fading wasp
bahahahaha
twilit mulch
hahha
fallow raven
BIG GOOSE LOL
twilit mulch
ez clap
indigo barn
ah FUU
indigo barn
here we have is some non-ass sucking philly right here
fallow raven
LETS GO FUSION LMAO
pearl stratus
You mean that the genji who resets his dash on kills shouldn't kill people with dash?
indigo barn
mFukAh
pearl stratus
I'm confused on that Eqo comment and assume you don't actually watch OWL.
torpid charm
@fallow raven hahaha the icon change
torpid charm
very proud of my boys
fallow raven
lmao and were back
indigo barn
regal parcel
That's literally genji's job 
indigo barn
ikr ..?.>?>>/>./??
twilit mulch
eqo best non korean?
ruby pendant
Fusion team work got them a good win.
indigo barn
no the best non-korean is fiveking
idle beacon
@pearl stratus no, what i mean is .. he finishes them off .. ye .. like .. not doing much 😃 .. i wanna see more gengu action
ruby pendant
Gladiators need to wake up.
pearl stratus
Both these teams shut down blades super well.
torpid charm
they did
pearl stratus
You have to watch a Genji play against garbage to see that.
So I guess go watch last week against Dallas?
regal parcel
See some high quality AKM genji play
pearl stratus
Though last week Eqo mostly just ran a Widow clinic through Dallas.
twilit mulch
as an ex dallas fan, i approve of that comment
idle beacon
who is LAG other dps player ?
pearl stratus
Asher, Hydration and Surefour.
regal parcel
Surefour...
idle beacon
where does kazper play again?
regal parcel
Boston
pearl stratus
Boston.
fallow raven
boooooooost on
regal parcel
Isn't Babybay brazilian?
idle beacon
ok mixed that up
supple prism
like
torpid charm
I thought BB was white
idle beacon
but ye .. was feelin like asher didn't do so well and they should've had surefor play
fallow raven
malik is a professional
red canyon
malik is great, love his energy
pearl stratus
Hydration apparently crazy global.
twilit mulch
people only do Trihard because of the unfair ban i think
fallow raven
hydration raised by KOREANS
twilit mulch
imo
fallow raven
it all makes sense
pearl stratus
They've done Trihard for black people for years. Twitch chat is the cesspool of the internet.
idle beacon
give that ngr some food, eh 😦
pearl stratus
Literally everyone in Twitch chat could die, and it would better for the planet.
twilit mulch
ikr
fallow raven
not that one
red canyon
god i hate twitch chat. this is much better
twilit mulch
i find the twitch chat funny, people just arguing
pearl stratus
Twitch chat is basically why I think Idiocracy is a documentary.
red canyon
its just spamming emotes haha
supple prism
maybe on smaller streams
pearl stratus
It's pure concentrated stupidity and people who shouldn't breed, but will.
red canyon
i just realised malik kinda looks like an ex of mine
twilit mulch
./r/iamverysmart?
brisk roost
@idle beacon She was just a sub for Malik 😦
fallow raven
i thought hydration would have an accent
brisk roost
But I want her bac
idle beacon
ah damn too bad
regal parcel
Soe is all you need
red canyon
not to be overly gay but i love soe
pearl stratus
@fallow raven He moved around too much, lost it.
idle beacon
i don't like soe
red canyon
u missin out
fallow raven
soe did nuffin wrong
regal parcel
yeah you take that back
idle beacon
i just don't like her
fallow raven
well now we dont like u so
regal parcel
pretty much
red canyon
thats fine haha
brisk roost
I love how xQc went from "it's not about looks" to "she's hot as fuck" about Soe lmfao
twilit mulch
that clip is funny af
tawny sigil
you dont hve to share that you dont like her either, ever thought of that
slim summit
who's xqc