like benched SDB good
#esports-discussion
regal parcel
pearl stratus
His Widow went decently toe to toe with Fleta.
His Pharah is average, not bad not insane.
His Genji is aggro as all hell.
He's the Hebrew Hammer.
paper crag
yeah but it's a case where it worked out
i'm not saying known players are always better
pearl stratus
Strategically known players have known weaknesses.
paper crag
it's just that you have a better idea of what you're getting with your money
pearl stratus
True, but anyone can kind of flop.
xQc, whether railroaded or not, was a known person. And it didn't work out.
paper crag
of course. you can have amazing players that nobody really knew about
pearl stratus
Sado didn't work out since he got banned for four stages.
It kind of goes both ways.
paper crag
i'm just speaking from a completely theoretical perspective
like if you have the money to not care about it, you'd rather get the brand name than an off brand
although it might just turn out that the off brand is actually better
pearl stratus
Yeah, though I think Dallas Fuel is a decent warning story for people.
paper crag
yeah definitely
regal parcel
lmfao
paper crag
when i say "established players," i mean people who performed well on OWL though
not streamer fame
pearl stratus
Yeah, fair. There's still a lot of players on teams who get little/no play time.
regal parcel
fuel's recruits were streamers
but their main line was one of the best in the world going in ;p
molten skiff
chinenese pine
ruby pendant
Dragons doing good
paper crag
streamer fame is definitely a huge risk because they could be famous for toxicity that gets mistaken for humor
pearl stratus
I'm surprised at this MG Tracer.
molten skiff
chinese pine actually sounds like an actual tree
regal parcel
xqc was such a bad pickup, i was so mad when that happened
lethal plank
c9
paper crag
"what was i expecting"
lethal plank
that was a c9 lol
sullen berry
pearl stratus
xQc from a mechanics standpoint was a great pick up.
tall sierra
lol that was fast
pearl stratus
I'll still argue he's one of the most talented Winstons that were in the league.
sullen berry
I should be putting this up in video content at this rate
quasi stump
they would have lost there anyway, already on two ticks, three people down
pearl stratus
He just couldn't separate his stream from his professionalism.
paper crag
yeah it's just inconceivable to me
viral bronze
SHANGHAI
pearl stratus
Eh, he said it himself one day. Something along the lines of "I was basically raised by twitch chat, I don't know any better." That's like being raised by a meth-head with autism.
regal parcel
yeah... guys got some sort of undiagnosed condition on top of that
bipolar or adhd or something like that
pearl stratus
It's not undiagnosed, he's got ADHD. He's mentioned it.
paper crag
if he was on a korean team, he would have been prohibited from streaming by his team after the first incident
tall sierra
^
paper crag
i think that's kind of a cautionary tale in management too
do you have a toxic but talented player? keep him on a short leash!
pearl stratus
Eh the problem is you can only help someone who wants to be helped.
paper crag
yeah true
regal parcel
yup
pearl stratus
xQc's biggest handicap has always been his fans in my opinion.
paper crag
prohibiting stream only works if the player values OWL more than stream
quasi stump
wow
paper crag
free geguri
regal parcel
does she play anything but zarya?
paper crag
let geguri play from korea with 200 ms ping
pearl stratus
She plays all the offtanks now.
regal parcel
word
paper crag
she's pretty amazing in all three offtanks
regal parcel
this is rough
pearl stratus
Playing Freefeed is such a bad idea Shanghai 😦
regal parcel
they honestly did best with their triple tank last week
paper crag
which is why i'm kinda worried that her sheer skill will be used for gender baiting
like "haha see? you guys need more girls in OWL!"
regal parcel
lol
quasi stump
fuck undead down
regal parcel
as long as soe doesn't go full femnazi i'll be ok
paper crag
when the truth is that gender doesn't matter, if you're good enough, you're good enough and will be in OWL
pearl stratus
Freefeel is so bad.
I don't even hate MG on Tracer, its kind of whatever.
But Freefeel is just ugh.
paper crag
i feel kinda bad for SHD that i'm not even watching the game right now
regal parcel
are there even any other T2 girl players?
quasi stump
roshan got melted
pearl stratus
As much as I'd love them to, they won't win this.
torpid charm
I love my team 
paper crag
oh i don't know anything about contenders
paper crag
i'm surprised that nobody from runaway made it into owl
regal parcel
Kaiser's on one of their farm teams... i don't remember which team
paper crag
i heard that they're pretty tight with runner and would much rather stay with him than other teams
regal parcel
Maybe Philly or NYX?
paper crag
but runner's in the military now
regal parcel
Whoru was playing for another one too
paper crag
so would that be the contenders?
paper crag
i see. i feel like they could have been signed onto OWL right away if they really tried
when the teams were starting to sign up
paper crag
kaiser for fuel lol
regal parcel
he's a god rein but his winston's probably not much better than cocco's
paper crag
kaiser can join an english speaking team though
so he has pretty wide range of options
pearl stratus
It's not even just having spots, you need the right mentality.
Because you don't want a passive tank anymore.
It's part of why I think Cocco gets no play time.
paper crag
lol "i saw people that are worse than me that also go pro"
regal parcel
i think i may need an Eqo jersey now
paper crag
yeah it's just the way he's saying it
pearl stratus
I'm more surprised at the very... calm way he was like "Yeah my dad died when I was 15 and I quit school."
Like bro.
You just GLOSSED over that part.
regal parcel
yeah that's a little dark
paper crag
he could have said it like "i watched some games and thought that was something i could see myself doing too"
regal parcel
Glad it worked out for him
That woulda been an A&E special for most other people though
Eqo on Intervention
pearl stratus
I like watching Eqo play personally.
Especially with Carpe.
Their aggressive style makes for exciting camera work
paper crag
so eqo is a new addition in stage 2 right?
regal parcel
yup
paper crag
so suppose a player signed onto an OWL team turns 18 mid stage. can he play right away or does he have to wait until the next stage?
i'm guessing the latter
regal parcel
right away
pearl stratus
There's a cut off date.
paper crag
oh okay
pearl stratus
If you turn 18 before... April something
You can play.
If its after, you wait till Season 2.
paper crag
is flower gonna be in stage 2?
regal parcel
yeah but sinatraa will be in soon
paper crag
lol
paper crag
oh so flower doesn't even get to play for the entire season?
pearl stratus
Because they played NYXL two weeks ago.
paper crag
not just the stage?
pearl stratus
So he doesn't get SBB to shit all over him again.
If they're after the cut off they missed the season, yeah.
paper crag
ouch
i wish i had reliable healers so i could rocket jump with pharah
and get back to full hp
and build my healers ult while also getting some extra altitude
regal parcel
i dont think you get ult charge for self inflicted damage
paper crag
my healers get ult charge for healing me
pearl stratus
I'm not a huge fan of Snillos tracer.
paper crag
i get altitude from rocket jump
tall sierra
Think Sinatraa will live up to the hype to fill the inflated expectations? Honest question.
paper crag
unless you mean my healers don't get ult charge from healing me if my damage is self inflicted
regal parcel
he'll be good
quasi stump
that's correct vivid
pearl stratus
I think he'll be fine.
regal parcel
but he won't challenge SBB/Birdring/Striker
pearl stratus
But I think he'll get shit on by the really good Tracers.
pearl stratus
As long as he doesn't whine about SBB HAS AN ANNOYING STYLE
tall sierra
I mean for SF as a team..
paper crag
@quasi stump that my healers don't get ult charge for healing me from my self inflicted dmg?
tall sierra
I don't think it'll be night and day like people are hyping it up to be..
who knows though
quasi stump
right
regal parcel
yeah they don't, i don't think
regal parcel
otherwise you'd see pros blowing themselves up on the way to the point
quasi stump
otherwise that'd be free ult charge for healers at the beginning of games
pearl stratus
Stage 1 Danteh it would have been night and day.
regal parcel
lol
tall sierra
SHD getting spanked... good grief ...feelsbadman
pearl stratus
They played Freefeel.
tall sierra
Anyway back to what I was doing..thought I'd check in real quick lol
paper crag
i bet somebody on the dev team was abusing it during development lol
pearl stratus
They wanted to lose from the start.
paper crag
and they were like wtf bro don't do that it's broken
pearl stratus
You could pull in like a Masters Zen and he'd outplay Freefeel.
whole mulch
Freefeel's top 500
I'm a masters/grandmaster zen, I can't play anywhere near his level
regal parcel
yeah but if you got to duo with undead/diya
quasi stump
UNDEAD
regal parcel
you'd be ok
pearl stratus
His Zen play in OWL is the weakest by an exponential power of ten.
whole mulch
He's still not as bad as a grandmaster zen
regal parcel
then again zen's pretty dependent on his team not letting him get wrecked
whole mulch
^
Depends on peels and how tanks are doing
not necessarily him playing poorly
If you put in a random GM zen they'd do much worse
regal parcel
slick
whole mulch
Zunba is known to be the best Zarya in the game.
paper crag
zunba gravs make me say wtf
tall sierra
haha yea
whole mulch
it's a shame the meta is the exact opposite of what seoul is used to
quasi stump
damn, clos
whole mulch
appart from miro on winston
quasi stump
e
warped axle
=(
regal parcel
miro played rein for a long time too... i didn't even realize he was a winston god when i first started watching him
paper crag
hey let me just casually throw this grav into the air because I know the enemy winston will use his shield soon
tall sierra
The thing with SHD is that ..... it's like they don't have a backbone. ...
No solidity
paper crag
and catch 3 people mid air and have them perfectly exposed
tall sierra
Just lucky landed shots
whole mulch
Miro was a good rein but there were tons of reins above him during rein meta
his winston stood out though
regal parcel
oh definitely
whole mulch
I'd imagine if we were in a S2/S3 meta atm, Seoul would be crushing
Before the release of ana, LW Blue (NYXL) was the best team
regal parcel
Fuel might be good too 😦
whole mulch
yeah
fuel's a rein team
but their coaching also seems to have issues
I was a bit triggered earlier when I saw their comp
regal parcel
i've been triggered at their comps the last 3 weeks lol
whole mulch
Yeah but this time it was half the team on heroes they don't play
regal parcel
mmhmm
whole mulch
Custa on lucio, Taimou on winston, akm on genji
regal parcel
the AKM genji was a new low
Dude played Genji like me
And his blades were about as good
whole mulch
Akm is practicing genji but
paper crag
right? and mickie on dva... wait...
whole mulch
nowhere near ready
paper crag
why do they have akm on genji? isn't rascal a pretty good genji
paper crag
i mean it's nice to have variety in players, but i feel like making akm play genji is kind of a waste when you have rascal
whole mulch
They said they want someone who can play hitscan and genji
and rascal's soldier isn't great
regal parcel
i mean be fair though
would you rather teach a god genji soldier
or a god soldier genji
paper crag
is akm's genji > rascal's soldier?
velvet scarab
no
whole mulch
No idea
fervent temple
Seoul got dunkt on m8
whole mulch
He has very little genji experience
regal parcel
idk... i feel like genji has a way high skill cap
fervent temple
And
regal parcel
and any one on rascals level could probably put up a serviceable S76 with a bit of practice
fervent temple
Nyxl didn't even play pine LOLOLOLOLOLOL
paper crag
i feel like rascal is the projectile dps, so it'd make sense if he was run alongside akm
with akm on hitscan
whole mulch
Seoul said they would 4-0
regal parcel
not AKM good... but definitely usable
whole mulch
lol
paper crag
am i mistaken
regal parcel
effect's legit gonna kill himself
regal parcel
it's comin up in Stage 3 if KyKy still has a job
regal parcel
effect winston, taimou mercy, mickie genji
paper crag
for SHD, that is
paper crag
effect winston, taimou mercy, mickie genji, akm lucio, custa dva, harryhook soldier.... wait....
regal parcel
got one right at least lol
lethal plank
;-; dragons losing
lethal plank
the day they win will be the day i get super drunk
regal parcel
i need that hoodie in my life
paper crag
lol MG's face "you w0t m8?"
paper crag
yeah mg hog was insane there
i feel like saying they took a map from "Seoul Dynasty" is a huge overstatement though
regal parcel
yeaaaah... that was Seoul Lite
lethal plank
if current shanghai go against current fuel, would the dragons win?
paper crag
tobi literally the only core player
granted, Seoul's B squad is probably still a solid OWL team
tall sierra
This overhyped propaganda ROFL, is that what the worst team gets?
pearl stratus
Eh Shanghai's "b" team is still better than most OWL teams A team
tall sierra
That's madness, silly and a waste or money/resources...come one Blizzard.
regal parcel
?
paper crag
you mean Seoul, right?
pearl stratus
Yeah, sorry
paper crag
lol
tall sierra
But then again... I'm sure there is a lot of profits coming in from china
tall sierra
Fair enough
pearl stratus
They're the league underdog, no one actually dislikes Shanghai.,
paper crag
yeah Seoul's B squad is definitely a solid OWL team. I just don't think you can say it's the Seoul that really counts as Seoul Dynasty
pearl stratus
Unless they kick puppies.
paper crag
like you can beat them and it's a huge accomplishment for sure
tall sierra
Yes...SBB hands down..
paper crag
but you didn't beat fleta rjh munchkin zunba tobi miro
torpid charm
pearl stratus
True, but it was also a Shanghai without Diya too. Neither team was at 100%. Not saying the results would have differed much.
But its still a map.
paper crag
yeah
pearl stratus
hell in Stage 1 they almost went to game 5 against Seoul even with it.
fervent temple
I hope they win a map
foggy quail
iat this point all we can hope for is a map win
tall sierra
I think there is way too much emphasis on the whole taking a map from Seoul thing tbh... way too over hyped...
The Korean's were likely just wanting to be nice to their fellow neighbors lol... joking of course, but ...
pearl stratus
Shanghai has most of the pieces for being a successful team.
paper crag
right? 😦
pearl stratus
Just a few of the pieces are from a different puzzle.
And they hurt them more than help them.
tall sierra
I'm in the camp of people who thought SHD would be top 5 coming into OWL...
But realistically..it's a lost cause...
pearl stratus
SHD could have been top 5.
tall sierra
Embarrassing really
regal parcel
How would Dafran do in OWL?
pearl stratus
But they recruited a bunch of garbage because the parent company didn't stop the coach.
He wouldn't.
His track history makes him a risky investment at bet.
*best.
foggy quail
defran that discrace
regal parcel
well yes
fervent temple
Does anyone else like, do the picture thing that sbb does
regal parcel
provided he could get signed in the first place
foggy quail
he would do average
paper crag
the MY players who were speculated candidates for SHD weren't old enough though right?
lethal plank
TIL that car actually has a plate
foggy quail
he wont stand out, just like sinatraa
pearl stratus
It's not that they weren't old enough.
paper crag
and LGD is a shady organization in general lol
pearl stratus
Some weren't, some were.
LGD just let Van make all the decisions.
And he went with nepotism over skill.
paper crag
i heard the key MY players were too young but i don't know much about it
fervent temple
Sinatra vs sbb who wins
pearl stratus
MG, Undead and Freefeel all come from the same team.
pearl stratus
And realistically only Undead has the OWL stats to be worth it.
fervent temple
Wait are you for real?
regal parcel
its already happened my dude
lethal plank
rip heelers
pearl stratus
That wasn't even shitting on him.
fervent temple
LOL naa
paper crag
and yeah typical chinese esports nepotism/cronyism
pearl stratus
He basically went back in time and punched his pregnant mother in the stomach.
He beat him so bad he went back to being a fetus.
It was a murder.
regal parcel
Yeah... he pretty much sat him down in the corner and gave him a pat on the head
fervent temple
Oof
pearl stratus
Sinatraa looked like a plat player who somehow wandered into GM.
fervent temple
But sinatra is so cool tho wtf
pearl stratus
And his whining excuses were the best.,
"He plays a weird style!"
"He had a Zen orb!"
paper crag
lol the best compliment you can get on a skill based online game
pearl stratus
The best was the after interview a few months later.
paper crag
"you play weird bruh" = your plays are unpredictable and genius
pearl stratus
"So how do you feel about Sinatraa?" "SBB laughing Who? Oh. Right. Uh... He's okay. It goes Soon, then Surefour then maybe Sinatraa."
frigid shore
fervent temple
LMAO
fervent temple
So how ryu vs jjonak who did better
paper crag
maybe he doesn't get to heal as much because his team isn't taking as much damage
pearl stratus
Honestly I'd still play Danteh over Sinatraa in a lot of situations.
Because he's also got the Junkrat and the Genji.
paper crag
because jjonak's added dps kills enemy dps
fervent temple
I c
I think it's upsetting they didn't play pine
If they played pine it be like 5-0
Map 1 would legit be like 8-0
paper crag
LOL THAT TRANS
pearl stratus
Welcome to Freefeel in OWL.
reef imp
That was a bad move.
paper crag
that's something i would do in mystery heroes
pearl stratus
That's basically a normal play for him.
paper crag
the fact that he didn't even get to contest just adds insult to the injury
fervent temple
Is flower going to replace sbb? Or libero?
pearl stratus
He uses his Trans so badly in like 80% of situations. You get used to it.
paper crag
probably libero
fervent temple
Libero made them lose against London I think
paper crag
idk who's better or worse but i think the team comp makes more sense if flower were to replace libero
due to the heroes played
paper crag
sneaky rein lol
fervent temple
Pine is actually their best player r n
reef imp
Well played there.
paper crag
that casual mid air kill with hog right click too
fervent temple
Shd I thought they lost already
paper crag
omg they're getting pushed into spawn
shanghai mayhem?
oh shanghai "may have"
idk why philly flies so low on my radar
like i almost forget they exist until i see them on schedule
pearl stratus
They're relatively inconsistent and can hit walls against good teams that match their pace.
paper crag
i guess they're also kind of a bland team in terms of star power
i may be horribly mistaken
but i feel like they're kinda bland in terms of personality
which is perfectly fine because they're here to play and win first and foremost, not entertain
dat freefeel trans
showing everyone that trans isn't for healing teammates but contesting the objective for 2 seconds
pearl stratus
I get not wanting to be predictable with the 3:1:2 run constantly.
But this current roster without Diya doesn't look great with the 2:2:2
paper crag
how was boston vs dallas today? was it the kind of stomp that i imagine it to be?
paper crag
i see that the score was 4-0 but were the individual games also liek huge stomps?
reef imp
I want the Dragons to win. Just once.
I feel bad for 'em. They keep losing.
Anyone else feel that way?
paper crag
next time they play fuel
unless fuel pulls a great management move and somehow turns things around my stage 3
if the teams keep going in the directions they're going, i think mayhem will be a bigger challenge for SHD than fuel will be
reef imp
They're the underdogs of the League, but they try their absolute hardest.
paper crag
i think everyone lowkey roots for SHD
lethal plank
I root for them because as a detroiter who's lived thru the unwinable season with the Lions doesn't want another team going through that type of hell
reef imp
I think it honestly sucks that they fight as hard as they do, yet they've gone this long without a win.
verbal roost
Will the new members coming in start?
lethal plank
me being a lions fan also is why i want #FireKyKy (FireMillen)
reef imp
They keep getting stomped into the ground, but they come back for another try, going in as much as ever. It's actually kind of inspiring.
paper crag
geguri's stream said she'll be in the US in late march
idk if that means her visa and things are worked out, or if that's just the schedule that she's hoping to fulfill
verbal roost
I wonder how well Sky will do
reef imp
I've been hoping she'll be the player the Dragons need to turn things around.
paper crag
the skill will be there but i'm still concerned about the strategic aspect
if your team comp is gonna stay constant throughout a map, the language barrier probably isn't THAT big since comms will probably be mostly focusing
but if your strat isn't working and you need to discuss new comps mid-game
and strategize mid-game, that's where the language barrier will hit hard
unless the team comms allow for a translator to join
even then it's precious time being wasted
reef imp
That's a fair point.
paper crag
honestly i think one of the strengths of korean teams is the language
because korean is so efficient for game comms lol
paper crag
yeah
ornate sigil
This is his first OWL game
paper crag
they just introduced him before this round started
whole mulch
oh I wasn't watching
ornate sigil
(if i heard the commentators correctly)
final river
Monkey always in comms
paper crag
i wonder when winston will be considered trash
what does it take for winston to become trash
reaper meta
but what makes reaper meta
verbal roost
reaper rework? 😮
ornate sigil
i heard someone speculating what if his ghost mode could make him move vertically too
but he'd look so stupid doing it hahaha
paper crag
yeah lol
ornate sigil
not to mention death blossoms dropping out of the sky would be terrifying
paper crag
Death... Rains From Above...
would be a legit voice line if he killed pharah with it
but really, would being able to E while in spectre form be OP?
runic stag
fuck this is depressing i gotta stop watching the bottom 3 teams play lol
paper crag
ouch team wiped
final river
One of the most lopsided matches
reef imp
God, they couldn't even get a map win.
paper crag
what does this mean guys
reef imp
The Dragons just can't get a break.
ornate sigil
damn even philly looks depressed
reef imp
I want them to win for once.
ornate sigil
None of them are like "yay we won"
paper crag
lol "don't mind us. just getting our free win of the week"
torpid charm
they feel bad
paper crag
just getting their turn
torpid charm
but we needed the 4-0
ornate sigil
"Are... are we the bad guys?" --Philly Fusion
reef imp
Shanghai is just everyone's punching bag at this point.
torpid charm
I'm going back to being a Philly and Shanghai supporter tonight
paper crag
it will just make it that much sweeter when the bad punches back
torpid charm
torpid charm
YEAH FRAGI
tall sierra
@ornate sigil For Philly it was like kicking a poor puppy... I'm sure we wouldn't be happy about that either.
@reef imp SHD is sadly a lost cause now....realistically speaking it's a waste of money.
ornate sigil
Exactly, you still gotta play to win but a victory like that is still bitter
tall sierra
Really feel bad for them and their camp.
paper crag
fragi even looks like a tank player
reef imp
Never say never, I say.
verbal roost
Does shd have a contender team?
ornate sigil
At least for Geguri when she joins it's pretty much a win-win
Either she's godly and saves the Dragons or even she can't save the dragons but either way she can't be faulted
paper crag
honestly i think the best move for geguri is to use shd as a stepping stone
tall sierra
SHD -53...good grief.
paper crag
but that means she has to do well and make dragons look good
DRAGONS GETTING THEIR FIRST WIN TOMORROW BOIS
paper crag
REK NYXL NUBS
verbal roost
Nyxl going b team tomorrow? 😮
reef imp
I doubt it'll happen, too.
tall sierra
NYXL playing with left mouse tomorrow lol
paper crag
does nyxl even have enough players to form a true b squad?
ornate sigil
I don't think NYXL is gonna risk a map loss to SHD
reef imp
But the universe has an ace up its sleeve some days.
paper crag
won't like half of them still be the regular squad
ornate sigil
Maybe they'll try some unorthodox comps?
paper crag
anyway, nyxl is the kind of team where shd can consider it as a win if they take a map
tall sierra
Yea which is sad. ...
paper crag
watch them go game 5
tall sierra
lol
paper crag
after nyxl sends out the tryhard squad from map 1
ornate sigil
Is there any team at this point that they can actually win against?
ornate sigil
Yeah Fuel is looking pretty rough
paper crag
i mean stage 2
verbal roost
Mayhem?
paper crag
and that was that brief window when fuel looked like they were getting their shit together
so shd caught them at a bad time
ornate sigil
Fuel still had XQC at that point who, for all his shit, was still a good player
tall sierra
4-0 down for all the teams on the right for tomorrow
ornate sigil
Mayhem might put up a fight
jagged crater
nyxl gonna be nice and give shanghai their first win
tall sierra
Want to see Houston get 4-0'd..that'd be the highlight
ornate sigil
And Houston v Gladiators is gonna be spicy
tall sierra
yea it sure will
paper crag
would be hilarious if nyxl straight up threw and gave shanghai a 4-0
like obviously giving them points lol
tall sierra
That would be generous
paper crag
would never happen but still would be hilarious
ornate sigil
I think that'd make the Dragons feel worse
paper crag
but nyxl will probably get heavily punished for it
ornate sigil
Like when you have to put the bumpers up in bowling
tall sierra
Yet ..sadly it'd make no difference for SHD
jagged crater
koreans take throwing very seriously so prob not
tall sierra
True..
ornate sigil
Plus throwing will bring up discussions of betting and being paid off, etc
paper crag
going to jail for throwing isn't exclusive for esports
jagged crater
yes
paper crag
it's just treated as another case of match fixing
which happens and is punished similarly for other sports
it's usually compounded by the fact that people bet on those games, not necessarily just for the throwing part
like there's an honor code within the sport's organization that would penalize players for throwing, but the legal aspect is more for match fixing for profit in betting
jagged crater
in the case of high profile games like OWL, it'd be reasonable
paper crag
i don't really know what the laws are like in the US
but the legal punishment for match fixing is usually for fraud/bribery afaik
and participating in illegal betting in countries where gambling is illegal
being banned from esports is more up to the esports associations' decision
although i'm pretty sure blizz is the type of organization that will ban anyone at the first hard case of match fixing
the match fixing scandal in korean starcraft scene was pretty big, but one of the main offenders was charged for brokering match fixing deals with other players for an illegal betting website
the important part being that the betting website was illegal
not that he fixed matches
the punishment for match fixing in the form of revoking the license came from Kespa, the Korean Esports Association, which wasn't really a legal thing but more of an institutional action
btw, do you guys know how OWL screens for hardware based hacks?
some hosts for other games take lists of keyboards/mice from the teams and provide them new ones on site
whole narwhal
CSGO had a pretty big matchfixing scandal a few years back, every player involved except for the one guy who didn’t accept the betted prize was banned from international tournaments
I don’t think there was any legal action taken though
slim summit
they bring their own
I was thinking about that some, you can do anything with USB access
cold plover
Aww what a close game between XL and SD
3:2 intense
Dynasty shouldnt have lost Gibraltar tho
Lmao i like how theres one guy up there saying
"Pine is their best player omg" and everyones ignoring him
Pine is great when he pops off but he's situational and is weak otherwise
Also noticed he plays by himself and leaves his team a lot
Prolly because he used to be a god sniper in tf2
torpid charm
Pine is a good player but also hella inconsistent
wild stirrup
vestal berry
Which team does shanghai have the best chance at? I feel bad for em, 0-17
torpid charm
@wild stirrup he's gr8, I'm not saying he's bad. but it's true
Shanghai possibly has a chance with Mayhem but I'm not exactly sure
torpid charm
I'm so excited for Shanghai to finally win
balmy wolf
They have a good dps line up once Diya is back but honestly their main tank, Roshan, it terrible
spring lintel
Shanghai got their best chance against dallas
They should win it with their quad/triple tank strats
magic zinc
Very possible yeah
And thats on the first day of Stage 3 no?
Means they have their new signings
spring lintel
If it’s by stage 3 then dallas might get their shit together
deft valley
they already played in s2
feral wing
judging by the rumors of them selling/releasing taimou and cocco
it doesn seem they will get their shit together
seems like they're trying to build a full korean team
sullen berry
It seems more like a high probability. Looking at half the roster being made playable skill wise but coming from disparate (read: regional competitors) teams in APEX and games' past
What if fissure went from gladiators to fuel before end of stage 1 
What message that would play if something far fetched with OGE maybe in the main lineup is quite a challenge to what's been measured best OWL Winston and Rein
pearl stratus
Oh God. Effect's interview is amazing.
Q. Which team in the league doesn't have a weakness?
A. Dallas. Because we have too many so you can't find one.
Thank you Effect. You're a national treasure.
paper crag
So shd’s gonna crush those nyxl newbs today right?
pearl stratus
I like how Hastr0 basically admitted his oversight team is partly responsible for the Fuel being such garbage.
paper crag
so apparently geguri's visa interview has been canceled/postponed
so i guess we don't know when she'll be in
again
lol
ruby bay
41
stoic shuttle
Dallas fuel coaches should b fired
Effect, AKM carrying so bad
I feel bad for them
Seagull is a disappointment tbh
Taimou lost his skills a little bit
pearl stratus
Eh AKM seems to be more trouble than he's worth and should spend most of the time benched for Rascal.
He was a waste of money pick up.
They'd do so much better with a Genji. And AKM on Genji was just like..
It was the worst thing on the planet.
upbeat cove
hey people schedule says 1am for match n sunday but is what timeozne is that?
indigo barn
PST
pearl stratus
Because Hastr0 realizes the coach should probably make most of the decisions for the team unhindered unless the coach proves to be a major issue.
Hastr0 should have been looking for multiple tanks since Stage 1 and xQc's first suspension + Mickies mediocre plays.
indigo barn
gg
balmy wolf
seagull changing to off-tank
pearl stratus
Welcome to two weeks ago?
balmy wolf
possible new coach coming for dallas
pearl stratus
None of that is new.
indigo barn
seagull's gonna fly
silk linden
effect is in pro OW elo hell
pearl stratus
The only new thing is the possible coaching change.
balmy wolf
effect also mad akm is being played over rascal
pearl stratus
Because its a shit decision made by a shit owner.
indigo barn
thats because akm's genji is 10x better than rascals
pearl stratus
The owner who recruited AKM and forced him onto the team?
pearl stratus
How can you watch that youtube and be that far behind.
Literally no one on fuel wanted AKM but Hastr0.
indigo barn
because akm's genji is a sight to behold
indigo barn
akm is one trick soldier
pearl stratus
And a decent soldier.
indigo barn
the best soldier
pearl stratus
And a shit every other thing on the roster.
torpid charm
that shit Genji play from yesterday
pearl stratus
Best overall hitscan? Birdring.
indigo barn
yah yeet
warped axle
Carpe
balmy wolf
Not Carpe
pearl stratus
Carpe is up there, but I wouldn't put him ontop of Birdring.
balmy wolf
Maybe his widow
pearl stratus
Carpe McCree is actually really solid too.
indigo barn
shadowburn still best genji in the league
pearl stratus
But not above Birdie.
warped axle
Carpe is definitely top 5
pearl stratus
I'll give you top 5.
torpid charm
Carpe has a pretty damn good Mcree but it's not seen too often
torpid charm
ya
warped axle
Remember SDB's Widow?
indigo barn
so uh how was snillo's tracer last night
warped axle
Wasn't bad
indigo barn
was it watchable
pearl stratus
It was bad in terms of widow v widow.
It was smart in terms of shutting down Linkzr.
torpid charm
SDB's Widow was nut worthy lowkey
indigo barn
tank damage
warped axle
LinkZR FeelsBadMan
pearl stratus
He outsmarted Linkzr and just plinked on tanks till he could draw Linkzr to a bad spot.
I wouldn't say he was a great widow.
Just a very smart one.
warped axle
He and EQO are so different it's crazy
torpid charm
I love SDB so much
pearl stratus
Eqo, altogether, is better for their playstyle than SDB though.
Which is kind of sad.
But he's just so much more versatile.
torpid charm
Philly boys play Dallas on Saturday, finna be good
indigo barn
philly gets rekt by dallas gg ez
silk linden
finna be boring 4-0 imho
pearl stratus
It'll be about as good as me going to a Daycare.
And kicking a four year old in the face.
balmy wolf
Did you guys hear about ArhaN being signed
warped axle
Dallas better get ready for that ass whooping
indigo barn
gotta love some good ol 0-4watch league
pearl stratus
Dallas doesn't have any other position in OWL other than "grab your ankles and get ready."
balmy wolf
Houston no longer no koreans
torpid charm
Philly'a main coach from the jump was like "Eqo and Fragi are gonna work better than Fragi and SDB, it's obviously showing. it sucks but we need Eqo rn
balmy wolf
ArhaN LUL
indigo barn
all games should be like the nyxl game yesterday but all we got is some nice 0-4watch
pearl stratus
Thats if the rumor is true. And the rumor mill that comes out of that one guy
He basically just shoves a bunch of shit up his ass, aims at paper and reports where everything lands
indigo barn
oh sht houston with a genji main bye bye jake
pearl stratus
And eventually something has to be right.
indigo barn
i still want them to have a tracer main
pearl stratus
Unless they get someone else who can think and call like Jake, he won't get sat that much.
It's their biggest weakness.
indigo barn
jake does get lively on cam
warped axle
Danteh 👀
pearl stratus
Danteh isn't going anywhere.
I'll actually bet we'll see Danteh get as much play time as Sinatraa.
warped axle
^
balmy wolf
The ArhaN thing is very likely
pearl stratus
Sinatraa plays Tracer. And basically just Tracer.
Danteh has a solid junkrat and genji.
indigo barn
sinatraa will be sent back to streaming
balmy wolf
Nah Sinatraa is going to play mccree soldier and widow in OWL
he's practicing those heroes right now
pearl stratus
Over Babybay?
balmy wolf
Yes
pearl stratus
Not likely.
warped axle
Danteh has one of the best Sombras
balmy wolf
Watch his stream
he's been asked to play cree
and widow
he's spent multiple weeks learning cree
indigo barn
i think babybay puts his work in nicely
pearl stratus
I just cant' wait till he gets utterly destroyed by SBB again.
strong parrotBOT
Overwatch League - Season 1 - Stage 2
pearl stratus
And we get more Sinatraa rage.
I wouldn't even let him Tracer against SBB honestly.
indigo barn
sbb thinks overwatch is cod
pearl stratus
Bring back Danteh.
indigo barn
still wet after that assassination play last night
pearl stratus
That risk
indigo barn
talk about high risk high reward
pearl stratus
Go big or go home
indigo barn
in the end seoul didnt even get first point
balmy wolf
Danteh's tracer isn't on sinatraa's level
indigo barn
thats something considering how it was goign
balmy wolf
Rumors are Danteh will be learning genji
indigo barn
sinatraa is good streamer tracer
pearl stratus
Danteh already has a good genji.
warped axle
That's why he's going to hit the bench
balmy wolf
He's not good enough for OWL
warped axle
And why Outlaws should be looking at him
balmy wolf
he's working on his genji right now
indigo barn
his junk
pearl stratus
Though Sombras new nerfs will remove her from OWL.
indigo barn
nice
pearl stratus
So it doesn't matter.
pearl stratus
The 2 second cooldown on Hack on an interrupt, and the LOS nerfs?
She's fucked for pro play.
pearl stratus
Because of the ult gain on Healthpack
Giving you an EMP per fight
No other reason.
magic zinc
They only used her as EMP bot
They didnt even use her really in Contenders after her buff
pearl stratus
She lost her EMP bot, she gets a 2 second cooldown on hack, and she loses LoS.
balmy wolf
the nerfs fucked her
pearl stratus
She's screwed for pro play.
magic zinc
They used her but the team that ran more Sombra has always lost so far pretty sure
pearl stratus
The cooldown on hack alone screws her with the prevalence of D'va.
One random ass D'va bullet from Narnia and you're recalling.
molten skiff
sombra sure wont be used as what she is used now
magic zinc
Thats the one change thats gonna make it way less more fun for me lol
warped axle
So it's not that she's bad, it's just the meta doesn't suit her
pearl stratus
It's more the coordination that kills her.
All you have to do is tag and track her and she can't hack midcombat basically ever.
And the lack of EMP Bot hurts her a LOT.
Her current place in the meta is almost broken with how oppressive an ult every fight is.
It's just kept in check by the maps not all having good health pack layouts.
balmy wolf
Danteh was working on his Sombra for stage 3
too early to tell if she will still be a big pick
silk linden
she won't be played the same way that's for sure
I don't know how easy her hack is to pull off now, but even without being an emp machine she can probably still hack selected targets
tight vault
if shanghai wins today
hybrid helm
Lol I think NYXL can play full subs and still 4:0
tight vault
see i can't tell if shanghai has given up or is trying their hardest
hybrid helm
I hope they play PiNE on all 4 maps today.. he deserves some play time
I think it’s a little bit of both
tight vault
if shanghai wins today thats the biggest upset of the season and ever
silk linden
shangai got unlucky when they faced dallas fuel at the very beginning
if SD vs DF happened now it might end up differently
torpid charm
hoping for a Shanghai win in stage 3
wet oyster
hoping for a shanghai win on 3/15/18
tight vault
when did the casters predict a win for shanghai
hybrid helm
But guys jehong played out of his mind yesterday
They were spectating Libero flanking to use blade and jehong didn’t even look at him.. I was like no no way jehong pulls that off no fking way
And then libero ults and insta dies haha
indigo barn
shanghai will beat the crap outta nyxl today
but if shanghai actually wins today, views for owl will skyrocket from here on out
balmy wolf
Shanghai pls
pearl stratus
They won't today just because NYXL doesn't have a bench to pla.
*play.
Their bench is Pine.
Both in material and player.
wet oyster
pls nyxl you'll still be perma-first place just give shanghai 3 maps
pearl stratus
I would laugh if they played Pine.
And Undead out McCree'd him.
Because I could easily see that happening.
wet oyster
not impossible
pearl stratus
It's why I want to see them with real tanks, and real supports.
torpid charm
MG was playing Tracer yesterday and I actually wasn't disappointed
wet oyster
what did diya play?
torpid charm
Diya is still away
torpid charm
nah, or at least I don't think so. sometimes they had to run triple tank and it wasn't that bad
Shanghai played well last night
torpid charm
they may have got shut out but they didn't look like complete shit
spring lintel
I bet we are gonna see pine tonight
pearl stratus
Undead interview was actually pretty solid.
"New arrivals mean people will go OH LOOK A GIRL. But Korean tanks mean we'll be able to play more aggressively."
warped axle
BIG BOSS PINE
balmy wolf
🌲 👏
paper crag
korean tank"s"?
is shd getting more than one?
i thought they were getting one tank and one dps
oh fearless
wet oyster
i think new dva player...?
oh sorry definetely new dva
i think new rein
/wisnton
they got fearless who is a winston main
silk linden
I wonder if the divide between main and off tank players will disapper, just like the old "projectile/histcan" dps categorization
or even the supports, who can play more or less anything
the only divide there is those who sometimes play lucio and those who don't
dusk garden
wtf i got the 100 token prize last night
silk linden
buy a junkrat mayhem skin
dusk garden
I was actually thinking of doing that
I have 212 so I could do that and a Gladiators ana skin
silk linden
gladiators have the most overall solid lineup of skins after Dynasty
that purple looks good on anything
dusk garden
purple-black looks fucking cool
better than the dinnesty colors imo
spitfire ana looks really good too
dusk garden
what if i got outlaws hanzo in honor of benchkusaii
holy shit the bow looks like a nerf toy
tight vault
nerf this
restive stag
quick question, i was looking at florida mayhems games this season, yet i dont see a game already played or in the schedule between then and shangai dragons, do teams not play everyone each stage or something?
icy slate
is new york expected to play any of their bench against shanghai this game?
not really sure i want to see how that match up turns out
whole mulch
NYXL has a small roster
their only benches are pine and janus
and speaking about nyxl I played a game with one of their coaches earlier and didn't know..
dude's a good winston
humble moth
ayyyy
whole mulch
xQc or OGE?
brisk roost
XD!
whole mulch
Personally I say let Effect winston, Custa can go tracer and seagull can ana
that leaves rascal for lucio and akm for dva
am I better than KyKy now
silk linden
...yeah
pearl cedar
unless dallas's coaching situation actually improves
i believe shanghai's first win will be against dallas too
lol
brisk roost
Lol same here
whole mulch
Shanghai had coaching issues.
What happened? They fired the coach and decided to do a roster change
Dallas has coaching issues. What happens? Hire a booster
limber pine
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humble moth
rustic perch
mods pls we got a spammer, PieGuy, ban pls
whole mulch
But we're already in esports discussion 🤔
brisk roost
He didn't spam tho lol
whole mulch
I'm actually sad to see Shanghai vs. NY
Yesterday it was rank 2 vs rank 1
now it's 1st vs last
:(
rustic perch
it's a "please don't do it they're already dead" match
whole mulch
What I want to see most in the world is shanghai beat ny
rustic perch
well shanghai pulled off a pretty good match vs seoul so there is a possiblity
whole mulch
well they got 1 map win against seoul's b team
running triple tank on kings row, one of the strongest tank maps
rustic perch
not only this stage, their match vs seoul in the first stage was also pretty good
whole mulch
I don't remember that one
wait is that the one where they took a map off seoul
nvm I do remember
rustic perch
afaik they also took a map there (not sure tho) but even if not, pretty much every match was a close one
whole mulch
they did take a map
I wonder why no one objected when shanghai was picking players
"Hey, not only are you picking ONLY chinese players, but you aren't even picking the best!"
rustic perch
i honestly never heard of any of them before
whole mulch
They're from a decent chinese team
but they weren't the best
the old coach was good friends with them and picked them
warped axle