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I refuse to give up on a player before putting in a big effort to help them achieve their dreams and goals as a professional. Just want ya’ll to know that.
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Oh yeah
Which lets be fair.
He probably wasn't going to play those last two games anyway.
After missing four weeks of practice time and play.
That’s why they extended it
So it was an easy concession that makes it look like they side with the league.
While not giving up much.
Pure PR, most likely.
But then dallas was like “we’re gonna help him practice and give him help during the ban”
That never happened
I actually bet it did.
Look at xQc's stream.
Look at that personality.
Imagine offering him help.

How seriously do you think he'd take it?
Unless he thought he needed it.
xQc's mentality is to be emotionally raw, all the time. It's the only way to be honest. To himself I doubt he thinks what he does is wrong because he's speaking from the heart.
Xqc acts for his streams entertainment
xQc doesn't run his stream, that's your biggest issue. His stream runs him.
While he still is energetic he isn’t insane like on stream
I think Dallas could have offered all the help in the world.
And I don't think he would have attempted any of it.
Because his stream validates how he acts, and encourages it more while stroking his ego.
Idk
His stream is literally cancer to his non-streaming career.
I'm not saying its not. I think Blizzard didn't do themselves justice by attacking both sides of the issue in terms of the casters.
Second was stupid
But this second punishment wasn't wrong.
Even if you take the emote thing entirely out of it, he still said a bunch of stupid shit.
And then got riled up by his stream, and said some more stupid shit.
And because he doesn't filter his emotions he got himself in more trouble for it.
He was in the wrong place at the wrong time with the emote
He cursed at the casters because they literally called him a tumor
Here's the biggest issue with that.
And nothing happened to the casters
They weren't wrong. But they said it wrong as hell.
And yes, people should be mad nothing happened to the casters.
That's what you get upset with Blizzard about.
But not the ban, because the ban was warranted.
Behavior A will never excuse Behavior B.
At most it mitigates, but doesn't excuse.
And when its your second offense, even mitigated you're screwed.
Fair enough
People should be requesting that Casters/Analysts are held to the same behavior levels as the players, and they should be requesting Blizzard be more transparent with their fines.
If xQc's situation taught us nothing - it should at least have that come out of it.
My guess with the fines is that its their first season. They have a general outline of how they want fines to work.
But actions rarely fall into a neat little line on the outline.
And they're flailing as they try and figure it out.
But even so - you'd get more respect by saying "Honestly this is our first season, we're trying to do the best we can and make sure the fines fit the magnitude of the situation. But for many of us this is the first time trying to judge these situations and we are doing the best we can."
Than saying nothing.
Nesh sniping Vallutaja 
X6's Architect (DPS) and ChoiHyoBin (Flex) have signed to the SF Shock, sources said.
Eh.
It's from Slasher.
I'd literally trust a semi-truck full of bricks driving over a popsicle stick bridge more than him lately.
Architect 👀
It'd be a great pick up if its true, but I'd need Trumps twitter to confirm.
It's more reliable.
Slasher just kind of reminds me of a Fox Journalist.
He throws so much shit at the wall to see what sticks
Then points to the stuff that stayed up to be like "SEE I CALLED IT"
While ignoring the giant pile on the floor.
Moth, the support player for Boston Uprising's Academy team Toronto Esports, has signed with the SF Shock, sources said.
Would that mean 12 players for Shock?
Sinatraa is only underage till next week.
sinatraa
isn't sinatraa like one of the best OW players 
Unsure, probably.
Also I think it would have been better if Sinatraa turned 18 right when SFS played NYXL.
He got saved by two weeks.
Literally two weeks.
I have rarely ever seen someone got dominated so hard as SBB dominated Sinatraa
It wasn't right.
I wanted to call Child Protective Services.
That kid got abused.
Though don't forget Saebyolbe cheated.
But it was tooootally because of the Harmony Orb, right? 
By playing an annoying style. And getting a harmony orb.
And he plays an annoying style!
harmony orb
To be fair SBB did have the better teammates by far
want to see Kruise in OWL
SBB is also just by far a better tracer in terms of game sense/thought.
remember when harmony orb didn't have a time-out
yeah
good times
SBB is a monster with Kpop hair and his wifes picture, pretending he's innocent.
well him and soon
Not fooling anyone you murderer.
you know I read an interesting statistic
lets sue
did you know soon's most killed hero is tracer?
Imo: Soon has to focus on Tracers more due to a weaker tank line not creating the space needed for dps/supports.
Soon's focus is
killing enemy tracer
I can't really say if SBB is a better tracer than soon
Also when you have Jjonak you don't have to worry about a lot of Tracers.
Jjonak gets mad if you take away ult charge.
because his supports are far better than anyone in the league
As he murders your dps.
I would say Jjonak + Ark is better than RHJ+Tobi right now.
But not by a large maging.
....
Words. Are. Hard.
Margin.
His Zen is better than most, but not up to par with Jjo or Bdo.
Eh
JJo and Bdosin are on a very different level from most Zenyattas.
And Bdosin is so quiet about it.
doesn't biggoose main lucio
Whichever purple boi plays Zen then.
Shaz
I confuse him and Shaz constantly for some reason.
who is actually
one of the better players in the league
his zen is statistically one of the best
Most of Glad are really good players, they just needed a tank to give them the space to perform.
Asher pre and post Fissure is like an entirely different player.
You can't do shit as tracer if you don't have a frontline
I notified xQc Saturday (3/10) night of sources telling me that the Dallas Fuel were strongly considering releasing him, so xQc had some knowledge beforehand. Same sources also have the Dallas Fuel exploring options for releasing/selling of bo...
against owl players, if you push the enemy as tracer you die in ~1 second
Watching Asher basically harass London with no retribution was insane.
"Releasing" being thrown around that like doesn't sound very good tbh
It's Slasher.
Cocco is interesting either way, because his style doesn't fit the current meta.
I watched cocco's stream last night
his rein was top tier
and he is a very charming person to watch
It's hard to adjust to an aggro meta if you're normally a more passive player.
It does, but his pace isn't great.
Look at Houston, they have great shotcalling but because they play this passive style against the Dive they lose the pace of the game.
And get stomped.
It worked fine in Stage 1.
But we're not in Stage 1 anymore.
Houston's dps lineup is whack

I like clockwork but you can't just swap him in when you "think" you need a tracer then be stuck with it for the whole game
the other tracers play other heroes
They're in a weird transition.
Because I fully believe the team can't play to full potential without Jake on both shot calling/strategy.
Which means you get stuck with his Tier 3 Tracer when you need a T1.
And it'll get there eventually, but that's time they don't have.
Muma can, I think they just rely on Jakes Gamesense.
He's probably one of the smartest players in the league.
I haven't been seeing it
Mechanically pretty weak.
Well prior to Florida teams realized that breaking up Muma + Coolmatt broke up Houston.
And I think they're trying to fix that first.
Houston is crazy reliant on the synergy between those two.
KILL COOLMATT
And teams were just focusing down Muma because it works.
Mechanically Muma is probably the best player on Houston
what game did the kill coolmatt meme come from anyways
Yeah it was Effect
Lmao
Because Coolmatt basically moved into Effects room for the duration of that game.
Not a ton of good looking matches this week -- I'm excited for Houston vs Glads on Thursday though!
then there's outlaws vs glads the next day
NYXL vs. Seoul on Wednesday, Houston vs. LAG on Thursday, Valiant vs. Boston on Friday, and Seoul vs. London on Saturday.
Seoul playing both other Korean teams this week.
Is no one else excited for Fuel vs. Uprising? 
I think if Boston wins against Dallas they'll have a good shot against LAV.
Because they need the confidence boost.
I think Boston can probably run through fuel 
Honestly watching Fuel is just a mess, so I'm not really excited for their games.
Okay so
with xqc gone
the only tank player they have is cocco and potentially taimou right?
the OGE guy isn't here yet?
Cocco, Taimou for Main tank.
Sounds about right yep
Mickie/Seagull for Offtank.
Since they've been scrimming Seagull on OT for two weeks now.
Is there an eta on OGE? I assume Stage 3
If he doesn't have his visa stuff, yeah probably stage 3.
I thought I heard Stage 3
stage 2 has been a mess
lol
Seagull used to play off-tank professionally
but I wonder how well he will do in OWL
finally get out of Mercy meta
But they're very visual teams for the league.
OWL implodes
I was waiting for mercy meta to die for so long
finally get out of Mercy meta
Stage 2 has only been a mess for like 3 teams
I think his Zarya is good enough, his D'va is going to be the biggest issue.
They need to do something about Mickie.
more like 6 teams 
Eh Florida/Shock aren't changed from Stage 1.
Mickie's dva is in a weird spot
I hope Dallas sign a dedicated off-tank
LAV down.
London down 😦
Well they're forming seagull
Idk if Seagull is gonna cut it, would rather have someone with experience on the role
into that tank
Have there been any rumors for new teams yet?
but idk
Sure they can try him for a bit but I wouldn't dwell on it
New teams are rumored to come next season
People are still talking about the Chicago rumor
We still have a long while till we see new teams
I think OWL Themselves said it
Dallas Fuel should sign Emongg
they tried the toxic meme streamer ... now they should try the opposite
Dallas fuel needs to stop looking for streamers
I dont think they lose spots, they paid for them presumably for more than 1 season
But. But... Seagull
Is Emongg looking?
Yes
period.
I wonder if any EU orgs are interested in OWL anymore
I don't think looking for streamers is bad.
I think Emongg has very little pro experience
maybe if xqc drama hasn't drawn them away
But they need people who will be more dedicated to the team than their stream.
he has like some T2 experience with selfless

that's it right?
Emongg was in the good old selfless spawn camp days
Btw
I've played a lot with the ana from Selfless, and he isn't on par with any of the old selfless players
I feel like they could have gone further with better supports
he only recently became consistently GM level
Or you know, kept dafran happy
Ah yeah
I'd imagine sinatraa and dafran blamed him a lot
Emongg Sinatraa and Dafran were pretty top tier
who was their main tank again?
Uh...
Was it just some random
Kresnik
oh no
Idk who he is anymore
Kresnik yeah
And apparently
Carpe trialed for Selfless
I don't remember that o.O
Yeah I remember that
He did I think
then moved to FaZe
They just broke up
I remember dhak
Yeah tbh
Dhak is kind of forgettable despite being the biggest guy on the team.
lol
He's this weird like.. mid-quality support.
He's not bad, but he's not great. So you just kind of forget he's there.
dhaK is a DPS lucio
Eh I liked his agro lucio
The problem is now he's in a sea of better aggro lucios, in my book at least.
Since healing is kinda weak
Btw I do not like how contenders is being done atm. I feel like the league orgs should get them when. They finished the season
I think the dislike comes from the fact they're not even being coy about it.
Yeah but like what's the point of contenders other than a player farm for the teams
If OWL had nothing to do with Contenders it'd still be the same way.
But OWL is investing in contenders for its player pool.
lets sign timthetatman
What I mean is though it gets bad publicity because they're upfront about it.
They could have ignored contenders and still just signed people during their own signing periods.
As what off tank road hog specialist 
And it'd be the same end result.
I don't inherently disagree, but this is how the minors system in pretty much every sport works.
You can get called up from the Minors in baseball to literally play one game.
road hog specialist are the best
Then get sent back down.
Effect is currently their sniper
Yeah its just doesn't go well when your Sniper is your Tracer.
AKM tried. Kind of.
How good is akm sniper
Uh.
Or rascal
His keyboard is only half in braille?
Akm's widow is meh
Actually has rascal played widow before?
Rascals was better than AKM's.
Rascal can widow
But thats not saying much.
Well since they are back to having 5tanks and there is a dps slot...
Philly, NYXL, and Seoul probably have the overall best widow lineups.
Not overall best widows, but in terms of most people who can play it a high level.
Eqo and Carpe being almost interchangeable was an interesting development for Philly.
I had -no- idea that Eqo's Tracer was that good.
Yeah it was more the level.
he can widow too
His Widow was competitive to Fleta, which was fun to watch.
Genji and Tracer are different enough you don't get a LOT of people who play them both at that high a level.
But vs very highly skilled players you need as highly skilled dps as you can even if with 3 hero pool
genji is for projectile players, tracer is hitscan
Eqo plays more heroes but nothing like SDB
Eh SDB really -only- plays the Genji better than Eqo.
I'm a bit confused why SDB doesn't get more playtime
There are super flexible dps like Fleta but they have to be top tier at several
SDB is too patient a Genji, his play style isn't of a fast pace.
is eqo better than SDB when it comes to pharah?
You pair Carpe and Eqo you get a really aggressive front line.
@pearl stratus pharah too
That can set the pace of the game if they're allowed to.
Eqo and SDB have very similar Pharahs.
It's not drastically different.
But super aggressive genji is good vs less coordinated teams but not vs defensive teams and highly coordinated teams
SDB is probably the best genji in the league, but his play style and Eqo's playstyle are very much night and day.
When I watch SDB I see very very smart plays
Of course mechanics too but he is a genius
Right now in Stage 2 the current meta, regardless of comp, is to be aggressive and set the game to your current pace and have the enemy team trying to adjust to you.
Which is why I think we're seeing more Eqo than SDB.
When they play a team that doesn't have that aggro style, they slot in SDB.
So he can mechanically dismantle a defense.
And then they play London.
And London just destroys them.
Poor guys.
My point is SDB playstyle is more calculated and safe which is important vs top level teams
It is and isn't.
It really is about game pace.
Because some teams dont' give SDB the window he wants for his blade.
So he holds it for 18 years, sends it to college, goes to its graduation and helps it move into Grad school
Before he uses it.
Dive is always and was always about aggression and about countering it
London and Houston would be the type of team I'd run Shadowburn against.
Dallas and LAV too.
Everyone else, Eqo right now.
I’d run SDB especially vs Seoul NYXL and Houston since they seem to counter dive the best
NYXL has the highest rate in the league of winning teamfights when they're behind.
And with how fast Jjonak charges Trans I wouldn't want any blades held.
I'd want them shoved out as soon as possible.
Otherwise your Genji will never get a good blade.
But I believe that if SDB practices some more heroes he can be top tier on many heroes
Because you'll assume Jjonak has a transc EVERY time you go to ult.
Yeah, but changing your style from passive to aggressive while staying alive is really hard.
I actually prefer them having two distinct Genji styles.
It keeps teams guessing.
I'd even consider running Eqo+Shadowburn one game.
Especially since Eqo's Tracer isn't bad.
but why
Because your comp could literally change its pace mid game on the Genji if you wanted to.
I actually think SDB is much better than EQO outside of blade and EQO is just effective with frequent use of blades so I’d count on SDB when enemy charges trans fast
how many comps nowadays dont work with tracer
0
I actually don't think she'll come out a lot at all.
You know what I thought can be good? New buffed sombra with a genji
She just flanks and jacks zen and tells on mic so genji knows to ult
yeah but that's contenders
Even without contenders, I feel her biggest use was in the EMP.
And that's been pretty much destroyed with the health pack change.
@shy wind maybe but I hope they have someone else practicing sombra other than Fleta
They could run Fleta+wekeed anyway
Also there's already Blizzard rumors of them nerfing hack so it doesn't feel like Hook 1.0
So we'll see if she's even the same come Stage 3.
@pearl stratus Yes but Seoul is known to pull out hard strats that require insane communication
is it me or is florida mayhem improving
I mean it's natural for teams to improve
it's just can they keep it up
and is the improvement enough
Dragons improve every match yet are still 0-16
Maybe a bit but I think Dallas Fuel is throwing hard
Not intentionally I mean their coaches seem super bad I guess..
dragons are the best
Their coaches literally go like “nice let’s hire AKM he is so good he will carry us.. wait his best hero is soldier? EVERYONE PLAY AROUND HIM!”
And protect him lol
Why are they all playing around him?? I think he is good at mccree too which is better to play around..
And they were getting rekt by SoOn from valiants he sooo carried his team
Because its how EnvyUS trained to play before becoming Dallas Fuel.
They were 5 units supporting a DPS.
Just put AKM on mccree... or put taimou on mccree he might not be best but taimou is still pretty good in mccree
It was so irritating to watch
Imo biggest problem with Dallas is coaching
It’s like they are being told to meme and throw matches
They players individually are ALL good. Even taimou ppl say he isn’t good enough as dps.. he is still better than many other dps players on the weaker teams
OverReactLeague you mean
I think it’s better to keep Taimou on a role he prefers and make him practice on that he already proved himself in the past
But idk it’s the coaches imo
just heard the news. xqc is finally gone. ooooooh boy this week's games will be cancer in chat and i bet someone's gonna smuggle a trihard emote poster into the building
@lethal plank You sure? I thought people said suspended.
we've known that
I live in Japan so news travels slow for me
JJoNak
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Mano
Saebyeolbe
Libero
MekO
janus
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1193 58 11 29
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Danteh
babybay
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JJoNak/Zenyatta: 1453 Rating
Libero as Genji on Hollywood: 4 Kills
@lethal plank yea nothing is wrong with TriHard emote tho
Trihard7
@lethal plank Thanks for the info!
Kinda bullshit when xQc got 2k fine for his first anti-gay comment when taimou gets 1k for his. And someone got a warning for a racist meme just because they donated before the penalty was given. OWL isn't gonna last 2 years like this
no one likes xQc
Ya think xQc is going to move back to Canada? Plus I like xqc he is entertaining and has good intentions
He is the guy I watched to learn how to main tank
Nah he said he's staying in la
At least for now
I'm neutral on xQc. Just unfair when other players get a lighter fine
Ikr
That's what I said
Him and sinatraa are basically the same
Also I can't wait for people to talk about how Jake called Dallas fans D: oh wait nobody talks about it
Just wait, someone will steal jake's thesaurus and everyone will realize he's a an idiot
Jlulke
I'm debating on making a complaining post on Reddit sometime this week on the disgust from the bullshit and unfairness Blizzard is doing.
I'm thinking about selling my shares of ATVI
Took a nice dip today that Im going to blame on their fuckups
I regret spending money on a jersey (seagull) and buying some owl tokens.
Super regret
Reddit is the land of tears and stupidity.
So I'd say make the post.
It'll fit in.
I don't think I've ever witnessed a proper conversation or debate on Reddit
It's the internet, people dont' tend to let things like facts or evidence assuage the fact they must be correct and that everything is horrible.
And I've been using it for like 5 or 6 years
Well that's what happens when a forum puts stuff out based on upvotes
Like global warming, it doesn't really exist yet everyone believes it Kappa
It's more just people read to the point they want to read to then instantly drop the IQ of a block of wood.
Hive mind mentality
BYE BYE XQC
He'll be happier, Dallas will do better, hopefully Blizzard will get enough shit they start keeping their casters/analysts on a shorter leash.
It's win win win.
Of course Dallas won't do better till like Stage 3.
But eh.
Dallas needs timthetatman
Yeah but having a consistent main tank incoming, even if he's mechanically worse than xQc, will be huge for helping to redefine.
No
Actually being able to practice and play with a main tank apparently is pretty good for teams.
I don't even think Tim would do it since he will have a baby sometime next year
I'm surprised SBB balances it all so well.
Dallas needs me. I'm a
tank main on PS4. I can do way better than xQc
His wife apparently lives in Malaysia, and now is in the US with him.
ref should have removed it as a prop..
good for them i haven't been sober since i was in highschool

im scared
I like stylosa
Random question: what are the advantages of seeing owl in person at the arena when you can just stay home and farm tokens?
Cool environment, possibility to get signatures for RL swag and jerseys. You'll be on the stream if you got a funny sign or Cosplay, and like It's just awesome to be in an arena watching an Esport
Like, 10 years ago, people would still be laughing at us bout watching "Vidya Games" on tv, now we got multi million dollar tournaments and Players are now considered famous
Hype is different when watching live
Yeah plus cheering for your favourite team is awesome when you got hundreds of other fans chanting as well
being in the arena during insane plays is an awesome feeling
people are all legitamtely enjoying the game together
i remember when houston beat london in stage one, the place nearly exploded with cheering
was fun 😃
i feel you man, the place gets crazy and loud when someone makes a yuge play, or when fleta does anything. ps fleta best player ever
profit might be second
Yeah. I've set my computer on with Twitch, then gone to the bars to watch Boston play a few times.
It's a very different energy.
Plus, sitting at home with just a friend or two is not the same. Or if you're alone it's pretty lame after a while.
I heard about xQc's release and decided to check out his stream. First thing I see is him on the floor, chugging a gallon of water, with rotten food strewn all around him and donations constantly popping up on the screen. I think the Fuel made a good choice.
Yeah, xQc is more of a streamer than a pro player
classic felix dude
Yo I just realized that since xqc is not in owl anymore there will be less leaks as he was the most reliable source for what happens inside the orgs due to him not being able to shut the fuck up
And the many times he accidentally showed his discord convos
idk slasher seems to do ok
other players will be on high alert now
one wrong word on the stream,and the witch hunt will start
looks like most of the original EnVyUs roster is a rip
Cocco/Taimou supposedly going to be released
can't wait to see JAKE banned then 
taimou going to be released?
releasing/selling
Not selling but trading. He's not a slave
I like to make myself think of it as trading instead of buying or selling. I don't want to think about legal slaves
Slasher. Making Donald Trump look like a reliable source of information since OWL began.
These comments are funny. Also I wish they would play seagull more.
He's migrating to a new role, so he's just been in scrim mode I think
yeah,there's no point for seagull to play on dps,other alternatives are better
He was, way back in the days, an off tank. So we'll see if he can recover any of it.
I know his Zarya isn't bad, but its the D'va thats the proving grounds since he needs to be better than Mickie.
is this what they call NRG curse?
Eh its not confusing that a team that refused to modernize with the meta has trouble succeeding in it.
I'd say its more the moneyball curse.
Money can buy you talent, can't buy you teamwork all the time.
Sigh. It sucks being a fuel fan right now
you can always change team
maybe the owner thinks that the current roster wont succeed
The owner needs to fire KyKy
kinda agreed
in soccer,after streak of bad results,they fire the coach first,not releasing the players first
maybe the owner wants to go full korean
i prefer great matches
and result
diversity dont mean shit if your team keeps losing
Wonderful matches+ diversity would be really nice. Sadly it's hard finding that in esports
yeah, I'm surprised KyKy hasn't gotten more flack
he has,at least from reddit
but "we DoNt KnOw WhAt GoES oN BeHInD ThE ScEnEs"
Maybe he's sucking <user has been banned for this post>
wat
So uh I just watched the video of Dante asking of xqc joined them yet...
i think xqc said
If it is a jebait it's a pretty funny wone
that your application needs to be approved by the league
i dont think blizzard would approve
someone in blizzard wanted him out
Yeah even if xQc joins the shock, I'm sure his antics won't stop
do you think xqc gonna starts streaming when the league is live?
just to spite on them
Why not, he doesn't have anything to do with owl now
Good question..
i mean,if he's showing the match on his stream,that would warrant dmca takedown
he can't do that no
that would be a rebroadcast
but he can do the reactions
he used to cast the games in his discord
or
winning?
Just finished this off on why GLA vs LDN was such a great match in all aspects, for those interested: https://medium.com/@hjbaker96/why-the-gladiators-vs-spitfire-was-the-overwatch-league-at-its-absolute-best-d1dd34fa516b
Always keen for feedback if you have any 😃
TriHard 7
@lethal plank they're selling the contract to the other team, not the person
I have Dynasty winning 3-2 actually against NYXL
if they don't split the team this week and field their A-team on both matches both of this weeks games will be close imo
as a fan I'm hopeful for two wins, but more realistically I bet we'll win one and lose one
but... wait AU Contenders exists?
from open divisions and then regional contenders I see\
watching the spitfire v gladiators match
fucking asher is a god with these pulse bombs
Can Linkzr play Tracer?
I mean obviously he could, but I wonder if Houston would even consider it
well stats are pretty against clockwork since he only play 2cp this xstage
You might still be right, but I'm just spitballing here
Also I don't see why only playing 2cp would skewer his stats so much
this is just me looking back at him being a god in tf2 that is well known for scout
It's not like those maps are particularly unfavorable to tracer
its not that its just I think tracer would be better being measured in koth
Sure I would love for CW to succeed too, I loved his scout play, but I'm just looking at facts here
and overall if he only plays for one map, and if they lose the map chances are he will have worse stats
but I still think that he is mid or upper mid tier
Anyway yeah if we only looked at Tracer stats for every tracer main only for 2cp then he maybe wouldn't be dead last, but still
It's more about the fact that Jake is second to last as well
And this is a problem for Houston
hopefully their secret weapon mendo will show up since he was also known as a tracer player
That's what everyone keeps saying
I mean he still has wisdom teeth problems rn making him not able to scrim/play
¯_(ツ)_/¯
dynasty have a chance of winning unless they got drunk and proceed to field gido and xepher against nyxl
I quite like the position of X in the Watchpoint debate about Jack. Yes Jack is bad on Tracer, but he's still OWL calibre.
well,bad compared to?
SBB / Birdring are clearly better
logix maybe a little bit better
jake is a decent tracer but not OWL level
He's sorta been forced on to it, due to clockwork not preforming - and mendo is probably not preforming in scrims either
I feel like he's forced into it by him being a team leader as the same time as tracer being a must for every team
That's why I wondered if linkzr could play her
Thing is, Linkzr is too good not to play flex
Who knows, maybe he'd be just as impactful on tracer
After all it's the alternative to having a god flex + a tracer that feeds
Might as well have a solid flex + a solid tracer
From what i've seen on his tracer its not much better then Jakes
He would need a lot more practice on it
All right
Do you think Houston would be against picking up Korean players? They're one of the few teams without one
its hard to say really, on one side you got korean talent like Nenne and Stitch, where as Stitch Flame tried to pick up before
On the other hand you still have Davin which could be close to as impactful, and you already have a connection and synergy with linkzr and no need for a translator
So if they were to pick up a good tracer player, which i'm not actually not sure it will happen, i would go with Davin rather then koreans
was anybody else not aware that Saebolbye is married?
i thought he was like 17 but hes actually 22 wadduhek
he's so public about his wife so I feel like everyone knew
him pulling the picture of her outta his pocket putting it on the monitor before the game took the cake for me, he loves her so much
Slasher: Unconfirmed claims of new Dallas Fuel tank OGE being looked into for boosting
ayyyy welcome to the club dallas
I don't it's hilarious
xQc released, Cocco and Taimou getting booted, OGE suspended for boosting
"best Western team, can take down the koreans"
they went from having 4 main tanks to having none 
Seagull main tank
I'll be surprised if they win one match in the remainder of stage 2
If things stay like this, they might legit be worse than Shanghai come stage 3
Shanghai's on the way up, Fuel is on the way down
Remember when we all felt bad for Effect because he was struggling in early stage 1 with a team that hadn't quite come together?
Imagine how the poor guy must feel now
I like to imagine he felt some moment of relief when he found out they were bringing on OGE to replace xQc

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Dallas Fuel here📞
Do you still want to play for us📞
Oh rip the reddit post got removed it seems
not surprising
Philly 4ever
🦅 = 🥇
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do a lot of teams do outreach stuff in their "designated" cities? Fusion did a thing in Philly where they invited the best player in an area tournament to their Uni team
but I dunno if others do something similar
the way it works is that people pitch that team in that city. Fusion is owned by Comcast Specator which is the same organization who owns the Flyers
what do u think about xqc release from dallas
yeah I know the franchise structure lmao
I'm saying that they play in LA and don't really have to do much with their cities yet except for owners
OH WAIT, nvm I understand your question now
Fusion is making actual ties to Philly with Hometown Heroes
can't read, am sorry
I'm wondering if others are doing the same
uuuuuh, maybe. it would make sense to and be cool
xQc just resigned from OWL
whaaaaatttt?
yeah welcome to yesterday
i'd actually prefer xQc leaving the league
which team did e join
im stupid bye
lulu
huh
The team benched him for stage 1
he doesn't seem like a nice guy
I'm loving this OWL drama
I more love it because its not the league.
It's just one team.
It's like that drunk aunt who's 45, single, and doesn't have her life together at the holidays. She's just a mess of a person.
Then there's this whole Monte/xQc lunch thing - which is funny. Monte upset about being stood up for lunch.
SHANGHAI REVERSE SWEEP

how is houston kenobi ?
it's the other team that's carrying the battle against korean domination
and they're texan brothers
what would happen to teams in OWC that become OWL-qualified? Do they have to change their team names?
They don't become OWL-qualified
There's no pro/rel, it's like minor leagues rather than a lower division
OWC is just a place to showcase players not in OWL and raid the teams
hell if a team does too good early on they risk getting raided by the OWL and not making it to the final phase
What is raiding?
in this case I mean picking up their best players
like mongols raiding and pillaging through a village
I know what the dictionary definition is. I was about to think raiding in this context meant having to fight an OWL team, lol
So OWC teams don’t actually move up into OWL, but the players do (sometimes)
omg RIP XQC
late to the news
but fuck man
saw it a mile away but when it finally happens, it sunk in
rip his esport dream, but he's gonna be more successful as a streamer anyway
nor can you off esports
protip: don't listen to twitch chat
"I'm literally a walking Twitch chat"
the bright side is now that xqc is free, he can meme all he wants
within twitch rules at least
which is a lot more lenient than OWL rules
he'll be more happy because of it
Penis
this was probably necessary, but it's probably worse for dallas than for xqc
he can prob just shout penis penis penis on stream and still maintain 5k viewers

The San Francisco Shock are excited to announce the signing of two incredible players. Welcome to the squad @moth_ow & @shock_architect !!!
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For a split second I thought it was gonna be xQc and my heart skipped a beat
Really excited for Architect
whens floridas next match
What do you guys think about the rumors that Dallas wants to release Taimou and cocco?
nah man the REAL game on saturday is Philadelphia Fusion vs Dallas Fuel
@magic zinc EU times ftw!
Sounds incredibly harsh to me and I think that would only happen if they already have a replacement lined up
They might pick Koreans
Especially now that OGE is in some trouble too
I’m excited for Seoul vs NYXL (Seoul fan)
seoul is out for blood
they better not half-ass it this time
wasn't the score 3-1 last time
nvm it was 3-2
this time it'll be 4-0 ez clap
Yea no more mercy meta to carry teams like Houston
Yea they better go full main roster
no i meant nyxl 4-0 seoul
florida is gonna 4-0 every team they face from now on
Nah no way
i'll bet you my balls nyxl 4-0's seoul
Dude Seoul is looking goood now
and nyxl is looking even better
florida is gon 4-0 nyxl
NYXL look about the same as stage 1
so if they lose a game, they are "weak seoul"
if they win a game, they are "strong seoul"
ok
they look strong because they only went up against the bottom half teams in standings
the only team shanghai can win against is dallas
now they go up against nyxl, london, houston, and FLORIDA and you will call them "weak seoul" again
Florida will wipe the freakin floor with seoul
oh fuck philly vs shanghai
oh shit
Nope the way they play. They look strong without mercy meta
Philly is not a weak team
philly is a highly inconsistent team
shanghai isn't either 😉
even more inconsistent than valiant
valiant will win 3-0 vs seoul
but lose 0-4 to some blue and yellow bois??
Valiants won Seoul in mercy meta
It looked like Seoul were just waiting for mercy nerf maybe practicing non-mercy comps
and then they 4-0 valiant in non-mercy meta, i get it
nyxl still crushes seoul tomorrow
benchwarmers unite
seagull off tank?
ew no
@indigo barn we will see. I call a close match
@hybrid helm i call 4-0 for nyxl
not many other options
may the best team win
but seagull why not
seagull should go back to streaming with xqc
seagull rarely streams nowadays
seagull should become a literal bird
he's more dedicated to pro scene than xqc
my seagull didn't sprout his wings
i guess my seagull didn't fly
he just fell with style
Dallas started as Dallas memers and now they get rid of them lol
yep, as a Fuel fan I'm not mad, just really disappointed
too much fuel to fuel a fire
Dallas was so freakin hyped at the start of stage 1 now all the people that they were hyped for are gone
exactly
dallas had popular players that's why
plus Fuel had some of the best personalities in the league
well i mean theres effect but
signs akm and rascal to save the team
even OG envy might not get play soon
aKm, considered one of the better western DPS players too
It's crazy to think Taimou went off from popping off heads to feeding as Winston as a main tank
dallas still got their support tho.... but thats pretty much it
Cocco is apparently retiring
Where all da Europeans at
Are they all away playing CS:GO?
cocco needs to feed his family
he's still getting salary as an OWL player, even if he's benched
plenty of europeans
SBB's gonna have enough dough to feed his family for sure
cute too
nyxl donates all $1m to SBB if his wife gets pregnant
xD
doesn't SBB still have to do time in the military?
nyxl season champions btw, florida 2nd place calling it rn
Dallas releases xQc and might release Taimou and cocco now that’s tanks. That and their previous signings of dps players and their coaches’ stupid meme strats I think they might be going for a 6 dps comp coz who wants to play tank and support. Silver strats ftw
So theyre SFS now
release the whole team
dallas should sign me
add some randos fro matchmaking
xqc for outlaws tracer plz
true that
already better than jake and clockwork
OGE being signed but allegidly in trouble for boosting uh oh
Clockwork's stats are a bit skewed because he's only played on 2CP
dallas fuel 100% not a mess at all
i get 2% accuracy with hanzo every match
but Jake, holy shit, that's awful
IDK about OWL but a lot of OWC players got booted for boosting
Do you guys think SFS is going to drop Danteh when Sinatraa is 18
@vital basinE#2056 yea I think J LUL KE killed himself more than enemies using pulse bomb
And do you think they would trade Danteh to Houston
I don't think they will na
He'll probably be subbed in and out depending on maps and stuff
It's obvious Danteh's improved a lot
I guess he finally found the Fortune V book from Minecraft
Danteh has one of the best Sombras tbh
it would be awkward if sinatraa mr 150k turns out to be underwhelming
Was Danteh a MC streamer or something?
performing even worse than danteh
oh lord shanghai are gon get squashed this week
Danteh used to be a pro Minecrafter
i mean danteh's been doing good on tracer too
that's why you always see the diamond memes for him
Danteh was a big reason SFS beat Dallas
how do you pro minecraft
And because Dallas sucks
Was that a joke? How do you pro minecraft. Minecraft Hunger Games?
Amass the strongest faction?
I think sinatraa is overrated but idk
did uh anyone see shanghais matches their playing this week
overwatch is minecraft 2.0
i mean we havent seen sinatraa in a while so iunno
I've never seen him play
Never heard of Sinatraa til today haha
he looks like a good trace in his streams
he's a good ladder tracer, he was good on selfless 8+ months ago
but of course streamers always transfer nicely into pro esports
I wish dafran played
um ok
He seems good
good at, streaming
No no his tracer mechanics
dafran doesnt want to play pro, he prefers streaming
but who knows he MIGHT go back
not every player can adjust
Yea can’t blame him you tho with all the drama in OverReactLeague
We continued our SF Shock Discord AMA series this week with Danteh and Nomy. We talked about Danteh's history in Minecraft and whether it bothers him that he...
Interview from yesterday
Can’t blame him tho *
I'd like to think streaming is infinitely easier than going pro
less stress for starters
less rules to abide by
that's why xqc couldnt do it
Yea also big streamers earn more and control their career independently so it’s even more secure
which xqc raking in 5k+ viewers, should
it's crazier when you think that xqc doesn't even have any sponsors


