I think he's genuine, but just kind of like..
#esports-discussion
pearl stratus
You know the Lab breed of dogs?
He's like one of those.
He's hyper, sincere, and really really fucking stupid.
spring lintel
Yeah that’s the best of true
pearl stratus
And I still blame like.. 75% of his issues on his fans. The other 25% is him being dumb enough to listen to them.
Like after his release he has to go on his own stream and telling people not to send death threats... again.
onyx shore
you're not responsible for your fans behaviour,unless you're the one explicitly telling them to do so
pearl stratus
I don't mean just the death threats, that got misconstrued with two trains of thoughts.
onyx shore
if xqc said "let's send death threats to muma" then he is
if he said "damn this guy is such a bitch"
and then his fans wreck havoc,it's not his fault
pearl stratus
I mean the fact that he shares too much with them whenever there's drama, and lets them get him all riled up. So he'll make an apology, and actually seem sincere. Then get on his stream and get hyped up by the legion and start talking.
And the ego feed makes him just say dumb shit right away again.
onyx shore
then maybe he's not suitable in OWL condition
pearl stratus
Or the fact his fans love to just copy and paste all of his stuff from discord into every public forum.
I don't disagree.
onyx shore
what kinda amazed me is the "[insert celeb name] has so many young impressionable fans,he should act better" argument is thrown a lot
if i have a kid,i wont let him/her wath xqc
pearl stratus
Nah for me the argument was "This is your job. Act like you want it."
onyx shore
if your kid starts throwing tantrum after watching xqc,it's your fault
pearl stratus
I say some really fucked up, and some really stupid shit.
But I don't say it when I'm at work.
Or at work events.
pearl stratus
And I don't put it on facebook/twitter because your employers can check that too lol
onyx shore
he's having difficulty differentiating between stream and pro environment
pearl stratus
I think he created his stream persona as a way to get viewers.
And now its just his persona.
ruby bay
pearl stratus
And he can't separate from it.
So he'll get in trouble in any situation which requires professionalism, because for him he was getting paid to act like that.
onyx shore
then again,the way blizzard handles this make blizzard looks like a joke
echo vault
rolls eyes
pearl stratus
It looks extremely bad because the casters should have undergone as much scrutiny.
And didn't.
onyx shore
agreed
pearl stratus
Mostly Monte and Reinforce.
onyx shore
that amputation segment was approved by blizzard
spring lintel
Guys I told you before yesterday that xqc was quitting
pearl stratus
I actually don't disagree with the amputation segment.
spring lintel
I should be given a special color
onyx shore
let's imagine xqc did the same segment with him wanting to amputate monte from casting body
ruby bay
What are you guys talking about..?
pearl stratus
I just think it was bad wording.
onyx shore
what would happen?
ruby bay
Oh, XQC?
pearl stratus
Amputation is a weird terminology for release from a team.
onyx shore
nevertheless it was uploaded into OWL official channel
pearl stratus
It's the correct idea, since he was basically saying "If the attitude doesn't change, the teams just going to cut you."
onyx shore
which means blizzard approved it
pearl stratus
Which turned out to be true.
ruby bay
This is laggy
pearl stratus
I just don't understand the need to go to the thesaurus and use amputate.
onyx shore
doesnt matter the intent right? what's important is how it looks,according blizz logic
pearl stratus
Hey, I already agreed they need to be just as harsh on the casters (Monte/Reinforce)
Honestly the rest of the casters/analysts are fine.
Those two say some dumb shit though.
onyx shore
yeah
ruby bay
True.
onyx shore
agreed
pearl stratus
Reinforce saying he was retarded on air was cute too.
He instantly got an oh-shit face.
And you know - maybe they did yell at him. Who knows.
echo vault
oh good he should be forgiven
pearl stratus
But it needed to be public.
ruby bay
It's been a while since I watched the E-sports since all the matches are in 1AM-8AM with me
onyx shore
imo
echo vault
because we know xqc didn't wutface after he said muma should suck a cock huh
ruby bay
XQC Didn't learn his first lesson
onyx shore
i really dont want monte and reinforce got into trouble bcos of that comment/segment
pearl stratus
He should be for consistency.
onyx shore
but when xqc got trouble with that,it's just weird that monte and reinforce didnt
ruby bay
It seems like He's doing all of this On Purpose, Just to get more popular
pearl stratus
And yeah, xQcs second suspension was for more than just a meme.
But they didn't do a good job explaining it.
onyx shore
well
pearl stratus
Which is why everyone latches onto the emote thing alone.
ruby bay
True.
echo vault
Listen, if there are 3 bullshit reasons
onyx shore
the code of conduct was made as vague as possible to have wiggle room fo this kind of case
ruby bay
The first time I saw that Announcement I was like **What did he do? **
pearl stratus
Even if its the biggest bullshit it was still just close enough to stupidly wrong to get him fucked by it.
After the Hearthstone issues in November with Terrence.
echo vault
Oh good I hope you get fucked because you almost did something wrong once
Good fucking job
you're a joke
like blizzard
pearl stratus
You'd have to be a complete fucking moron to use that emote when anyone of color was casting.
pearl stratus
Literally dropped on your head, without oxygen, stupid.
ruby bay
BRING UP THE "OH-SHIT FACE"
echo vault
the subtle undertone that everyone in america thinks they are racist is fucking sad
that's why its hard to be a black person in america
pearl stratus
No, the fact that literally there were two HUGE twitch debacles in the last three months prior to that.
ruby bay
Not Racism-Discussion
echo vault
so huge I never heard of them huh
pearl stratus
In using that emote especially, during Hearthstone tournaments, while joking about wallet stealing and handcuffs.
echo vault
fucking hugeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
echo vault
lololol
scarlet spear
you mean the terrenceM stuff?
onyx shore
xqc wasnt doing the emote in racist manner
pearl stratus
Did xQc mean it in a racist way? I highly doubt it.
onyx shore
period
scarlet spear
thats 2 years ago, not 3 months
echo vault
lolol
onyx shore
if that emote is racist
pearl stratus
Three months was the follow up interview and trying to figure out what to do with the emote/twitch cht.
onyx shore
blizz should've bring that with twitch
ruby bay
@pearl stratus DISAGREE HAMMAR
echo vault
'he wasn't racist but he deserved to be banned because he did stuff before that he shouldn't have been banned for'
onyx shore
bcos that's afucking global emote
ruby bay
@thick falconediaz#5606 Which one?
echo vault
The only thing dumber then xqc is Endoken's application of logic
onyx shore
pearl stratus
I'm sorry, let me put a swastika on screen when EQO is playing and I'll say I meant it as the native american symbol.
ruby bay
pearl stratus
It'll go over well.
echo vault
oh so not trihex is a swaztika
ruby bay
Oh fuck
echo vault
poor trihex
pearl stratus
Actually before it meant the Nazi party the swastika was a native american symbol.
onyx shore
trihard is not racist emote
onyx shore
do you think twitch gonna let trihard become global
pearl stratus
And everything.
echo vault
endoken if its how its used how as it racist when he used it??
you make absolutely no sense
onyx shore
can i use that swastika emote in non racist way?
echo vault
so can the word black
no one should use the word black
ever again according to endoken
who is a fucking idiot
pearl stratus
Jesus christ did your mother drink while pregnant?
echo vault
you're adorable
pearl stratus
Because you're getting rage angry and fighting me, not the argument.
echo vault
go logic yourself into more undefendable positions
onyx shore
if there's someone who wants to make swastika emote on twitch,twitch wont approve it
so
pearl stratus
Again its about use, not the symbol. That was a hyperbole extension of how a symbol can get twisted really easily to be limited in its use.
I don't think xQc is actually racist. Or homophobic, no one does.
I think he used a stupid emote at a really stupid time.
onyx shore
1.the emote doesnt have racist meaning
2.it wasnt use in racist way
3.malik doesnt have problem with xqc using trihard 7,bcos he knows xqc uses that emote in non racist way
4.xqc has use trihard7 as greetings even before malik was brought into the league
pearl stratus
When a bunch of other people were using it in an incorrect way.
And he got fucked for it.
onyx shore
yeah,so the biggest point of that suspension is moot
pearl stratus
No, I don't anything him. He's a good player with a mediocre personality who wasn't going to last in OWL either way.
onyx shore
and now
after this
the trihard emote will be used in racist way evertime owl is live,and malik is gonna get fucked bcos of that,i kinda feel bad for him
i don't like him,but boy getting caught in a crossfire is now inevitable
pearl stratus
He already was. He mentioned in an interview the tri-hard has been spammed at him for the last three years.
scarlet spear
blizzard handled that terribly
pearl stratus
But he acknowledged he didn't think xQc was using it in that way.
echo vault
yeah of course xqc was being racist, the 110 times he posted that, like 3 of them there was accidently a black person on screen
he clearly set it up so he'd have an alibi when he wanted to drop that honored traditional canadian racism against black people
fucking next level 4 d racism
how the fuck did he get caught boys'
reddit warriors like endoken to thank we have
but its ok cuz he said something mean to someone before and it hurt his feelings for that person
pearl stratus
Twitter
That's where it became a problem.
And yeah, he got caught with wrong emote at the wrong time.
I don't disagree with you Ark.
onyx shore
When you make a mistake like this, it's best to just take accountability and be quiet. He apparently didn't know that the TriHard spam was used in such an insensitive manner, but kept trying to defend it as "his salute"
i kinda dislike this tweet
echo vault
Did you throw away all your tiki torches after charloettesville?]\
echo vault
Your sheets after the KKK?
onyx shore
do not keep your head down
echo vault
where i would like to join them
all i see is you repeating the same nonsense over and over again trying to justify your own contorted position
onyx shore
i think i can accept malik's opinion,except that part
echo vault
'he didn't do anything wrong but im glad he was punished' is what you are saying
and its sad you dont see that
pearl stratus
I accept both aspects because Trihard was being used incorrectly forever. Should it have been removed? Dunno - that's hard to say.
onyx shore
When you make a mistake like this, it's best to just take accountability and be quiet
especially this part
echo vault
I hope racist co-op something you enjoy and render you a racist by association someday and your employer then decides to publically announce you're racist
that'll be fun for you wont it
but it'll be okay because you didn't give someones stapler back
onyx shore
i've been in that kind of situation i fought back against my previous boss,and i won,if i didnt i'll be fucked hundreds time over
pearl stratus
Can someone translate the 14 year old rage speak, because none of those words made sense.
echo vault
you're off by a good 25 years there kiddo
but nice try
if you dont understand the words coming out of my mouth that is on you.
pearl stratus
If you're actually 39, and thats how you rage I feel...
Wow.
Nevermind.
You need this win.
All you.
onyx shore
btw,i also saw a thread on r/cow about monte's tweet on xqc suspension
that thread was hilarious
pearl stratus
Honestly the only person I cared about with xQc's release was his teammates.
And Custas summation was straightforward, and understandable.
onyx shore
the op "accidentaly" didnt include a word in monte's tweet in the header of the post 
ah
effect's girlfriend must also be sad
pearl stratus
I think we'll see a potential for a LAG reform out of Dallas though with the new tank. Especially if Rascal gets more play time.
Because you'll end up in a 3:3 split with Effect being a psuedo-translator for the new tank + Rascal.
pearl stratus
Yeah, you'll diffuse part of the language barrier that I think has been distracting Effect.
pearl stratus
I think they have Seagull practicing D'va to replace Mickie.
At least thats what was rumored.
onyx shore
but can he become a better off tank than mickie? or at least on par
pearl stratus
I think mechanically he's about on par with Mickie.
onyx shore
i dont want to see him become the 2nd taimou
pearl stratus
With better communication/game sense.
Mickies biggest bonus is his PMA.
Which counteracts some of the emo that seems rampant among the Fuel right now.
onyx shore
can rascal play tracer?
pearl stratus
No, he's more projectile based.
I'm sure he can play it, but probably at a Jake/Sub Jake level.
onyx shore
damn so effect probably is untouchable for now
when effect tilts,DF performance suffer greatly
so their best bet is rotating rascal and akm
which is kinda a waste
pearl stratus
AKM is kind of an issue himself.
His soldier is amazing, but he was only wanted by half the staff and wanted a roster starter spot for it.
Which is why I think we see so much Long/Short gun out of Dallas right now.
onyx shore
nah,other team now figures out how DF onetricks AKM to death and now they are able to shut him down
pearl stratus
Because they're trying to make AKM happy and let him start.
hidden vault
PMA? what does it stand for?
pearl stratus
Positive Mental Attitude.
hidden vault
True for Mickie
pearl stratus
More often than not Mickie is the heart of the team. He does his best to bring everyone up.
But he's not a great D'va.
So its a hard balance.
Best equated situation would be Jake on Houston. Jake is like the Houston Brain, which means you get garbage tracer sometimes.
pearl stratus
His Roadhog is good, so we'd probably see him in on triple tanks.
hidden vault
Taimou's hog is better tho
pearl stratus
Yeah but again- PMA. Sometimes you need the less mechanically skilled person if it makes the team as a whole play better.
EnvyUS spent all their time up to, and including part of stage 1 playing as a [DPS] And Friends group. 5 People supporting 1 DPS (Effect for Stage 1)
That doesn't really work in OWL.
pearl stratus
I don't disagree, they just also played a bad style. And they're trying to revert it now.
But its a lot to unlearn.
onyx shore
you need winston : xqc suspended,cocco's winston is just not good
hidden vault
Maybe Micke can try out another character?
pearl stratus
Non-aggressive teams in general just suffer in Stage 2.
hidden vault
Recruit a new dva
hidden vault
Now they have akm and OGE
pearl stratus
Teams that did really well in Stage 1 because they could play into the Dive are failing now (Primarily seen in Houston)
hidden vault
Well their new dva is seagull
onyx shore
that's a big IF
seagull can just become a 2nd taimou easily
have you seen taimou on winston
yikes
pearl stratus
He's awkward and way too aggressive like he's playing Ladder Queue.
And he occasionally fails a jump still, which is kind of funny
onyx shore
i think i've seen him not doing a butt jump when diving a widow which results him being head shotted mid air
scarlet spear
taimous really just lacking experience and proper gamesense on tank yet i think, nothing he could make up with his Mr. good aim right now but just proper practice
but then again they got OGE coming so we'll see what taimou ends up doing then
pearl stratus
I honestly think they need to rotate Taimou back into a sniper role, unless AKM can get a lot more time in on Widow.
Because their lack of one has really been hurting them this Stage.
onyx shore
agreed
pearl stratus
Effect was supposed to have Widow in his hero pool.
But it sucks to swap your Tracer to a Widow.
onyx shore
enemy team pick widow = DF crumbles
pearl stratus
Which is why I like the Eqo + Carpe duo (more than Shadowburn + Carpe)
They both have strong tracers and strong widows.
scarlet spear
yeah aKms widow hasnt been looking too crisp on kings row last game
pearl stratus
I was actually really surprised by Eqo's Tracer.
onyx shore
their new signing,OGE
hidden vault
Which they got OGE for winston
onyx shore
is a main tank
hidden vault
In stage one they needed a new mercy
onyx shore
but yeah,it's weird that they didnt play cocco
onyx shore
nope
i mean
it's still weird that cocco is missing in stage 2
as for stage 1
i think at stage 1
fuel doesnt have good mercy players
chips was stuck on mercy
hidden vault
Cocco is probably the same as Mickie
onyx shore
meanwhile harryhook can't play zen
onyx shore
chips mercy is fine
hidden vault
He was the best in their team btw
onyx shore
but he's wasted on that role
hidden vault
Totally agreed
onyx shore
meanwhile you need a good zen
onyx shore
which is weird that they didnt play custa more on stage 1
at stage 1,they probably prefer to field the envyus lineup
hidden vault
I think now DF needs a Lucio main
hidden vault
True
onyx shore
harryhook actually can play dps
reaper and soldier
but they already have akm for that
hidden vault
Sorry Mickie
hidden vault
Mickie's Orisa isn't good
Cocco is probably better
Mickie's Hog is better then his Orisa but Taimou is better on Hog
And Effect is the best Zarya
echo vault
https://clips.twitch.tv/HungryKnottyElkPanicVis - Time to separate with effect as well. Shame he turned out to be racist months after comments were made too.
"please kill coolmatt" - talking shit on other owl players - check.
using trihard 7 while black guy is on screen - check
getting suspended from OW - check
why is effect still around???
https://i.imgur.com/GMiZ1uN.png - oh no out before in - kiddos donezo.
slim summit
shy wind
Dallas is a mess, just fine the entire team at this point 
deft valley
boot them to Contenders tbh
shy wind
"I was practically raised by twitch chat, they're all I ever had. I have become twitch chat." -xQc
You really don't want to put yourself in the same catagory as twitch chat
slim summit
He must have read that Iivenglobal article from earlier
shy wind
the fact he has to ask them to not send death threats.. again
says alot about his community
forest raven
Twitter
bitter phoenix
OWL the only place you can say things online and lose a 150k a year job.
fresh arrow
only sinatraa has the 150k contract
bitter phoenix
Thanks for the input
fresh arrow
gotchu fam
magic zinc
Not true, 50k is the bottom but I think xQc said Sinatraa has an "average" contract at some point
fresh arrow
so either the average is also the highest
or sinatraa doesn't actually have a 150k contract
cold plover
I really dont get how using the trihard 7 emote is racist
It's been there for ages
Moreover xQc's release is his fault
But for calling someone retarded and spamming an emote?
Also i don't think he's very stupid
fresh arrow
the emote alone isn't, the context can be framed as racist
cold plover
He's had a hard childhood and twitch chat is like his lifelong pal and it's something he wants to be connected to
How tho
Didnt he just spam it when the black guy was on screen
fresh arrow
it's been used in a racist way in the past
in exactly the same way
the emote thing isn't even the main point
idk why everyone is still on about it
twitch chat isn't exactly a shining beacon of purity anyway
cold plover
I don't get it
Pepe was used by alt righters and white supremacists and was even classified as a hate symbol
But nobody gets called out for being racist by using it
Its a dumb reason to penalise xqc
Using retard as wrll
fresh arrow
that's up to blizzard to decide
we don't really get to choose what is good and bad according to their rules
cold plover
You'd think though
fresh arrow
at the end of the day, blizzard is the one who slaps down the punishments
cold plover
That spamming hate symbols
Is deserving of a punishment
But apparently it isnt
And spamming an emote of some black guy is
fresh arrow
like i said, what we think is kind of irrelevant because clearly we see what blizzard's view is
and i think that xQc has come to a similar conclusion by agreeing to quit
fresh arrow
there was a good article that talked about the inconsistencies
i hope blizzard reads it and considers it in the future
cold plover
I couldnt care less for xqc but at least punish him fairly
Same
But i think they'll just ignore it
It's their game after all
fresh arrow
i think if there's enough media coverage and sharing of the article, they might care
cold plover
Doubt it
fresh arrow
it mostly depends if kotaku picks it up which i doubt
cold plover
Not many press websites want to seem like theyre defending a racist
fresh arrow
the biggest point in that article is that silkthread apparently shared/gave away his account before OWL
IF that is actually true, then actions before OWL are fair game
that's a big if, because i don't follow silkthread
cold plover
Same
fresh arrow
i have no idea what he's done
but yeah IF it's true then basically every player from sinatraa to jake is fucked if blizzard decides to be consistent
just have to wait and see
i've moved into acceptance over what's happened with trihard7 and xQc
i just hope that blizzard does something about their bias
scarlet spear
i mean i guess they do, considering sado got suspended aswell
fresh arrow
but no fine
onyx shore
if we're asking for consistency,everyone involved in that watchpoint segment should get some punishment
fresh arrow
iirc SHD got fined like a few hundred dollars for account sharing
silkthread got $1k
scarlet spear
450 for both of them
onyx shore
i think shd only got 450
scarlet spear
while the coach got a 9k $ fine
fresh arrow
ye sounds about right
onyx shore
btw,i kinda wonder
fresh arrow
it's all over the place, they should have thought it through at the start
scarlet spear
its nullified ?
onyx shore
so there should be compensation for it?
fresh arrow
probably paid out pro-rata for the time he did spend with the team
onyx shore
ah probably
fresh arrow
and lbr he doesn't need compensation
onyx shore
probably hasn't
scarlet spear
considering he was probably one of the worst paid people in the league
fresh arrow
i read somewhere that he got a fuckton of money today from streaming anyway
i wouldn't be surprised if it were true
scarlet spear
easily
fresh arrow
heck, i'd be surprised if it were false
scarlet spear
afaik he said he got ~60k from OWL contract per year
onyx shore
his stream after owl broadcast yesterday raised a lot of money
scarlet spear
dude got ~5-10k $ donations the morning he got suspended
onyx shore
for less pressure
fresh arrow
all DF players live in apartments
onyx shore
or move back to canada
scarlet spear
yeah DF has no house
fresh arrow
they're in the same complex as VAL and outlaws
scarlet spear
he also stated hes staying in the US for now
onyx shore
but he still lives in the same place
fresh arrow
all the good games in ranked are on the west coast anyway
fresh arrow
moving back to quebec would srsly kill the quality of his games unless he VPNs
scarlet spear
they're not going to kick him ou tthe same day his contract is nullified
he will probably just take over the rent personally
for now
onyx shore
yeah,that's what i mean
scarlet spear
i mean calvin already lives in LA
onyx shore
why not just continue living there
fresh arrow
calvin lives with his TSM manager iirc
onyx shore
your DF team mate probably don't hate you
scarlet spear
yeah quite close to burbank aswell from what i gathered in his sterams
fresh arrow
nah an hour away
scarlet spear
i would love to see him in OWL but as much as i want to see him i dont wanna miss his streams
scarlet spear
also his usage of the R word is 
magic zinc
xQc didnt get any money because it was a mutual termination pretty sure
If he had stayed put and caused more controversy causing Fuel to get rid of him, he'd have to be paid
fresh arrow
better than getting fired i guess
but it makes the visits to his apartment last night even sadder
effect and his gf
taimou and idk who that chick was
scarlet spear
taimous gf
pretty sure
you can hear her on stream in the background a lot
if hes streaming
magic zinc
I dont think he will, which is kinda fucked
magic zinc
They're pushing him as a posterboy but he's far from the cleanest guy in the league imo
scarlet spear
was about the girl visiting xQc with taimou
magic zinc
Taimou also has a gf she's on his stream sometimes
fresh arrow
the other girl with taimou ye
magic zinc
I didnt see it but I assume its same girl lmao or Taimou is pimping it up
fresh arrow
i didn't realise she was in LA, but bless her
i think jake can try and argue that he was referring to xQc's fans not xQc himself
echo vault
oh no that's totally better
blizzard should be a ok ay with that
not.
but they are and they will be
fresh arrow
which apparently is fine because you just can't make "disparaging remarks towards fellow players"
nothing in it about "fellow players' fans"
scarlet spear
which is kind of yikes
scarlet spear
about the only thing in professional lsports you never want to do is insult the fanbase of your sport
onyx shore
but insulting the customers are worse
fresh arrow
watch as jake rule lawyers out of it and blizzard will pat him on the head for donating money to a mental health charity first
🙄
forest raven
Not when the customers are nameless and faceless thousands
fresh arrow
can anyone confirm when silkthread gave his account away though
i read that it was before OWL but i honestly have no idea
echo vault
sinattra and effect also trihard 7'd shouldn't they be fined and kicked out of the league forever too?
magic zinc
Considering there was no uproar from his side I assume it was true
onyx shore
they should be
echo vault
they've both used very mean words that hurt my feelings too
magic zinc
Enclaved you're not contributing to the discussion man you're obvs a little upset
fresh arrow
i lul'd at that a bit
onyx shore
well,as we know from this incident,consistency isnt owl best trait
fresh arrow
i wonder why the players' union didn't take off
because this would be an excellent time to have one
magic zinc
Yeah that is weird
onyx shore
can't blizzard just say
fresh arrow
if not to dispute some of the things, but to at least hold the league accountable for its decisions
onyx shore
"you can't have one"
magic zinc
Denying a union sounds... idk not legal
onyx shore
"everyone that wants to make a union will be fired asap"
scarlet spear
i wonder what it was aswell
fresh arrow
i honestly don't know how union laws work in California
scarlet spear
muh 'murica
onyx shore
they are contracted,right?
magic zinc
Also not the createst PR to the league if the players are at the mercy of Blizzard and cant have an union
scarlet spear
yes, they are contracted to blizzard afaik
onyx shore
not permanent employment
forest raven
esports is different to traditional sports, OWL too, because the NFL doesn't own football, but Blizzard, out and out, owns Overwatch
scarlet spear
^
onyx shore
probably that
magic zinc
Good point actually
fresh arrow
it doesn't really matter about sports, what about a specific esports union
onyx shore
i agree it will be a bad PR
fresh arrow
for like all esports players
forest raven
Who would fund that
onyx shore
"we gonna stop playing if there's no union"
magic zinc
What players would be against a union?
onyx shore
idk about team owners though
fresh arrow
players who don't understand what it is
and also players who don't trust the others
but that's a case-by-case thing
scarlet spear
questionable if team owners join in on that shit either? as far as i heard team owners are some of the biggest earners in eSports by far
onyx shore
in case of team owners
there should be an incentive for the to join
i don't think people like stan kroenke would support the union
fresh arrow
team owners don't really seem to do much except for the london owner
magic zinc
I think they would join, the C9 owner for example was a bit disdraught over Taimous fine being equal to Profit's but they cant dispute it
fresh arrow
it's mostly the managers
onyx shore
or robert kraft
forest raven
Silk sold his smurf before OWL btw @fresh arrow
scarlet spear
onyx shore
if more and more team owners are calling for union,i think it can happen
but as a businessman,it's kinda weird if you support union
fresh arrow
@forest raven on one hand, i guess there could be a statement that says that the ACCOUNTS have to be in good standing before OWL
but at the same time
idk
why dig it up now
onyx shore
there's nothing to gain for you to support union
scarlet spear
hmmm i'd guess there would probably only be like 3-4 teams really supporting the union in OWL under that aspect then
magic zinc
Yeah I thought people got a clean slate for OWL, but on the other hand it goes against Blizzard's TOS to begin with which he agreed to as soon as he started playing
I think that if a union was formed, everyone would kinda join it in fear of bad PR
onyx shore
yeah
it wont happen from DF though
when the league ask them to bench xqc,they complies immediately
fresh arrow
i think DF will allow its players to join a union at their own risk
onyx shore
bench here means "to not playing him" not bcos of suspension
magic zinc
Did they really have a choice though?
fresh arrow
basically if the union fucks them up then it's not the team's fault
onyx shore
@magic zinc xqc wasnt suspended
scarlet spear
DF probably has one of the most likeable owners in hastr0
thats been treating his players well
magic zinc
Could dig up some silly reason to fine Fuel if they didnt comply
scarlet spear
not if messi was under investigation for some out of conduct shit
i still think its shady that they did that
especially since they then let him play the game
which was fucked
fresh arrow
i'm surprised kyky still went ahead and let xQc play anyway
magic zinc
Messi has been in hot water for tax fraud, FIFA couldve banned him from international football until that was resolved for example
They have done that with less reputable players I'm pretty sure
scarlet spear
i mean the fifa is super fuckin corrupt, not like thats not known anyways, but they are also as lily said earlier just comissioners for their league, not the owners of the game in total
onyx shore
well,he hadn't officialy suspended,i dont see any reason to not play him
fresh arrow
messi was being investigated by a third party
magic zinc
Fair
onyx shore
still looks shady though
fresh arrow
and tbh fifa would have publicly announced that they're suspending messi bc tax dept wanted to investigate
onyx shore
if there's an email or leaked voice conversation,that would still be a bad PR
fresh arrow
i don't think fifa would be that low and there's nothing for them to hide
especially if the tax fraud was common knowledge
scarlet spear
yeah blizzard definitely handled that super fuckin shitty
you cant just tell a team to bench someone for scrims and then lelt him play the games the same week
fresh arrow
the real shady part is internally suspending xQc without proper transparency
and yeah just keep the suspension for a whole week
idk who thought that it wouldn't affect the team at all
scarlet spear
blizzard has always been notoriously bad at that
fresh arrow
/r/OverwatchTMZ going to be poppin'
scarlet spear
see hearthstone tournaments
fresh arrow
i feel bad for Fuel, honestly
scarlet spear
same
fresh arrow
like sure i'm biased and all
but like
sure xQc could have been better overall
but the amount of shit that blizzard gave them
idk
it's really unfair
theoretically, if xQc had donated to an LGBT charity before blizz punished him, he would have gotten away with a lesser punishment
if tairong is anything to go by
but we all know that it wouldn't havebeen the case
deft valley
I don't think the punishment itself was ultimately unfair
What is bullshit is Monte (ostensibly also being "a face of the league" as a caster) deliberately baiting him
scarlet spear
that still irks me, i'm quite sure he paid the donation to the charity, but the critic inside of me just wants to see a confirmation for that shit
deft valley
It doesn't really matter who's first in that regard
scarlet spear
for players its different since its just taken from their paycheck from blizzard
deft valley
If you're supposed to be professional, everyone is supposed to be professional
fresh arrow
it does matter who tweeted first if you're going to talk about "bait"
onyx shore
@scarlet spear true,anyone who donate for something like that should tweet/show the receipt
scarlet spear
yeah
fresh arrow
technically speaking, monte responded to xQc baiting him
and did tairong show that he donated?
i honestly don't know
deft valley
calling him cancer yes
fresh arrow
soooo technically we don't know that tairong donated to a charity but i guess if he showed blizzard then it counts
onyx shore
his contract is to outlaws directly i suppose?
magic zinc
He said he donated and thats it really
fresh arrow
tairong is contracted to outlaws probably
magic zinc
I assume the Outlaws contract is tied to be able to be punished by Blizzard
echo vault
but does blizzard look past social media when making these decisions? they probably just took his word for it when he posted it on twitter since thats about all they need to go on for anything else
scarlet spear
afaik coaches are still under the same code of conduct from blizzard as players
magic zinc
Coaches in normal sports can get banned so I'm not sure why this would be different
fresh arrow
i think xQc said that he'd donate his fine to charity so it's not really a real point anyway
scarlet spear
i'm guessing there should have been internal talks with tairong, i dont doubt his donation either, my inner critic just wants some proof and thats for his donation as for any future ones
fresh arrow
i was mostly framing the scenario where xQc actually had the brains to own up before getting fined
magic zinc
I genuinly wonder where the money from the fines go
onyx shore
will make other players who streams or use social media actively will also be on the edge too?
scarlet spear
yeah we dont know that either
onyx shore
like
magic zinc
Would love a statement on that
scarlet spear
for all we know the fines just go straight into blizzards pocket
magic zinc
For all we know Blizzard puts it back in their pocket lmao
onyx shore
people probably will witchhunt even harder at this point
scarlet spear
definitely
fresh arrow
@onyx shore i think that people will definitely start hunting for a new scapegoat so all players will be worried
magic zinc
Honestly if there's some real shady shit I dont mind witchhunts
fresh arrow
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fresh arrow
it's like yesterday's thread where effect said "fuck you @ xqc"
and someone tried to start a witchhunt by posting that tweet out of context
scarlet spear
its so dumb
onyx shore
effect once screamed to cocco bcos of his game was lagging
"cocco dont download hentai"
scarlet spear
LMAO
fresh arrow
i love effect and cocco ;-;
fresh arrow
i honestly didn't know they were roomies until recently
but yeah social media is going to be a truckload of excessive PMA
echo vault
Blizzard had to fine Felix because they were afraid OWL was going to be a financial flop after people didn't instantly contribute 400k to get a medicore tracer skin and they just wanna cash out as much as possible before it all implodes
so obvious
magic zinc
Lol
onyx shore
https://streamerclips.com/twitch/eff2ct/SoftAbnegateRadishOptimizePrime
-the evidence of cocco downloading questionable material
echo vault
that's why there are the random 1k fines thrown in with it
onyx shore
now i'm more curious on who decides the punishment (every punishment i mean)
is it solely on nate's decision
magic zinc
Its Dafran from the far back
magic zinc
I would hope they have a small group of people that decide on that, not just 1 person
scarlet spear
am i missing something ? i dont get the clip 
red anvil
@fresh arrow Tairong donated those money because he thought he weren't gone get a fine, and wanted to show he was serious about his regrets to posting that tweet
fresh arrow
@scarlet spear xQc in the background of the facecam
onyx shore
@scarlet spear xqc inthe background
fresh arrow
for all of his faults, he really did inject some life into the team
red anvil
well ofc he did, the guy was a monkey more ways then one
scarlet spear
ah lmao, was so focused on what hes saying and the gameplay that i didnt even notice the cam
red anvil
i'm just glad he's done 
magic zinc
The Turning Point segment on the OWL channel makes me laugh everytime
Took a sour moment... and turned it into something sweet
JUST LIKE SOUR PATCH KIDS
twin dove
neat wedge
feral wing
mortal fractal
@slow cloak issou
warped axle
Jayne has great OWL reviews
pearl stratus
He needs to transition his language if he wants to work for OWL like he said he's going to try to.
His content is great, and his analysis is strong.
But he gets really excited and loses track of his verbiage, which is good for a fan. But for an audition tape he'll want to work that out now.
steady kettle
Why did DF release xQc?
I just heard the news
Did xQc get suspended again? Or was this some like... conversation internally going on for the past few weeks?
deft valley
He did get suspended, and ultimately the word is that he’s unreliable
Not just with the drama/suspensions but his play too
deft valley
Granted that may have come from being unable to scrim when suspended
the first time i mean
steady kettle
Oh! I found an article
Explains it pretty well
damn
He got suspended again
That's so unfortunate
I wonder if he'll get into another team. Seems unlikely given his current portfolio
limber pine
xQc is a great tank, but his behavior is not conducive to being in OWL
maybe contenders
regal jackal
Can I get a F to pay respect to xQc he is off Dallas fuel
steady kettle
F
regal jackal
F
sweet hamlet
F
magic zinc
Blizzard also has to approve each transfer right?
I can see them denying xQc unless he's genuinly reformed
pearl stratus
I don't know how the free agent status works, or if he's considered one.
The biggest issue is, no matter how this pans out (and I do hope he separates his stream persona from his professional persona) is this leaves a really nasty mark on him from a pro team standpoint - not because of anything he did/does as a specific note just that he now has a history within a team of being unreliable both because of his attitude, and his being able to play.
Custa said it succinctly enough - You can't build a team around a main tank who isn't there.
limber pine
trickle down effect
magic zinc
I really liked that Custa clip yeah
limber pine
forces a role swap for taimou
magic zinc
Hmm idk if it forced it
I think that if xQc was around, Taimou would still have to make the swap with AKM/Effect there
limber pine
okay maybe forced is the wrong word
pearl stratus
I'm more confused on why Taimou got a role swap instead of Cocco getting more time.
Is something going on with Cocco?
I was sure we'd at least see his Reinhardt on King's Row.
pearl stratus
Taimou's calls and aggression are the only things I can think of.
For all his faults for this meta xQc was the kind of tank you wanted, and Taimou plays closer to xQc style than Cocco.
marsh mesa
Feel bad for xqc
pearl stratus
It's not worth feeling bad in the long run, he'll be much happier streaming and not have the stress of the league. Altogether it'll be better for him in the long run.
Be happy he can do what he wants without having to have a league over his shoulder.
marsh mesa
Like it was just a fucking emote
I feel like the league is against him
Like profit for example
They did nothing about him
It's just all bs
pearl stratus
It wasn't just the emote, but I'm not having this argument again. There were other issues including his bad mouthing of casters and players. I feel they addressed the emote more because it was affecting everyone.
Profits what? Giving the middle finger?
He was fined $1000.
limber pine
i mean
pearl stratus
Not just his team. While the casters did the same thing (and should have been punished) he did reference the casters/analysts as cancer.
And that certain plays were retarded.
He wasn't magically innocent.
Though the emote thing is whatever.
Pair that onto the fact its his second suspension (third if you count the preseason ban for throwing)
It was justified.
But again - the casters should have been held to the same level.
marsh mesa
Well they did it because of the emote that's what it said anyways
pearl stratus
No, it said all the things listed above.
Everyone just stopped reading at the emote 😛
limber pine
Félix “xQc” Lengyel, of the Dallas Fuel, is suspended for four matches, effective March 12, and fined $4,000. xQc repeatedly used an emote in a racially disparaging manner on the league’s stream and on social media, and used disparaging language against Overwatch League casters and fellow players on social media and on his personal stream. Previously, xQc has been warned, fined, and suspended for similar infractions.
pearl stratus
Like I've said - I think the emote was wrong place wrong time for him, especially with the way people have been using it towards Malik on stream.
But the rest of it is legitimate.
Again though - Blizzard needs to hold casters/analysts to just as high of a standard as they do the players.
Which is what people -should- be upset about.
marsh mesa
Man the matches xqc played he did really well in
pearl stratus
He's mechanically a great player, that's not something anyone would deny.
He's probably top 3 for tanks in the league on Winston, in my opinion.
limber pine
Top 5
marsh mesa
And rein
limber pine
but yeah
pearl stratus
For just Winston I'd give him 3, though I could bump him now that Miro is playing like himself agian
And not like how he played in Stage 1.
But like his teammates said - you can't practice and build around a tank that isn't there. I think Felix will still have a lot of success.
He just needs to learn to separate his stream persona from his professional persona, or channel it differently.
marsh mesa
Yea he's an entertaining guy
pearl stratus
He could have been a front face for the league if he wasn't so manic and stupid, his kind of energy could be infectious if channeled properly.
marsh mesa
I just feel bad cause he's gonna go back living in his garage again
pearl stratus
Nah he won't.
He's got enough subscribers he was most likely making more from his stream than he was from his OWL contract.
And I think if he makes a concentrated effort to kind of learn from all of this, we could see him being picked up again.
It's just a balancing act. Interact with the stream, entertain the stream, don't treat the stream like your diary and don't let people goad you into saying dumb things on your stream.
marsh mesa
Yea I would love to see him play again
pearl stratus
If he had avoided his drama on his stream his fans would have been a bit upset, but he would have been in a lot better place.
Instead he tended to dig his own holes a little bit deeper as he talked about it over and over again.
But he's young, its a learning experience.
Malik tweeted about it - xQc needed a mentor, and instead he got his fanbase. And he was worse for it.
pearl stratus
There are...
Not a lot of games I want to see this week.
There's basically one a day.
cobalt brook
oh nice
young sonnet
Contenders are stuck with the old spectator. Uhh
limber pine
yeah I'd like to see the new spectator for Contenders
even it it's just blue and red
young sonnet
Definitely
pearl stratus
Alright, watching this window makes me sad.
I'm too used to OWL with like Fleta/Birdgring Carpe.
So many misses.
Though iirc Contenders isn't on LAN is it?
young sonnet
Doubt it
pearl stratus
Yeah which severely diminishes Widow.
limber pine
EU is not on LAN no
pearl stratus
I'll give the widow a no lan pass
young sonnet
Dude on the right has my hair from like 2010 jesus 👀
limber pine
his bangs are bigger than my wife's
pearl stratus
It's EU. Depending on where they're from they're still in the 1990's.
hidden vault
Is doomfist meta in Esports now?
cobalt brook
watching Contenders really shows what a positive impact the team colors in OWL made
pearl stratus
He's not meta, he's just an interesting pick that can sometimes come to fruition in certain comps/maps.
Realistically in OWL every hero gets at least some play time unless they're completely useless.
Like Sym and Torb.
pearl stratus
For us standard schmucks, sure.
hidden vault
Really wanna see them do double shield bastion or sym torb
Would be nice for them to do smth crazy once in a while
shy wind
I'm confused why we haven't seen any seagull
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pearl stratus
@shy wind They have him practicing for a new role, basically.
So we'll see what happens.
magic zinc
Best of 3? I thought it was BO5
Or is that just NA or something
Ohhh wait it is BO5 but they tied one so the score was 1-1 going into the 4th map lol
hushed raft
Am I the only one super happy that xQc got fucked out of Dallas Fuel ?
pearl stratus
No one cares anymore.
It's old news.
And yeah Fire. Ties screw up the scoring so weirdly because the #-1-# is so awkward.
orchid herald
I’m actually annoyed at that
Xqc did really well in fuel
And the second ban was pretty stupid tbh
shy wind
didn't he lose most of the games he was in
orchid herald
Like ofc he’s gonna curse out the casters if they’re gonna call him a tumor
shy wind
and he only played like 6 matches
orchid herald
He did well that doesn’t mean his team was
pearl stratus
Two wrongs don't make it right when its a second offense (third if you count pre-season throwing ban).
Either way he'll be happier now.
And honestly his fans are toxic, and his anti-fans are just as toxic.
orchid herald
Yeah but then also
pearl stratus
So hopefully everyone will just shut up about it.
Yes, the casters need to be held to the same standard - This is what people should be uspet about, not xQc being released. But that doesn't make it a wrong decision to remove someone who isn't playing. You can't build a team around a person who isn't there. It was the smartest move for the organization as a whole because his behavior wasnt' changing.
orchid herald
If you’re gonna ban xqc for all of stage one and fine him 2k for the homophobic comment
Why did taimou not get the same punishment?
pearl stratus
Because we don't know the rule structure.
xQcs comment was against another member of the OWL.
Which means it could have broken multiple rules.
vestal mortar
Like Custa said, he was too unpredictable, they couldn't rely on him not getting suspended again in the future. It was tough for them to practice really hard with him for a week and then he would get suspended and it would be a waste of practice.
pearl stratus
What Taimou said was not, by any means, better.
But it was not said to a league member.
So it may have violated less rules.
vestal mortar
It was Taimou's first punishment and xQc's second, that's why.
pearl stratus
No, the first remark was technically his first punishment.
But it was towards a league member.
vestal mortar
He got fined for throwing games earlier I thought?
pearl stratus
Which tends to have higher fines/penalties in most sports.
That was pre-season, so its largely regarded as not counting.
orchid herald
Yeah but that’s even dumber because that means that they’re more okay with the players of the game getting harassed than the pros
pearl stratus
Welcome to literally every sport.
orchid herald
I get it’s to a league member but then it could also just be trash talk?
Like yeah it’s not ok
pearl stratus
Trash talk is a fine line.
orchid herald
But if it’s trash talk
vestal mortar
I thought that the pre-season fine counted. ¯_(ツ)_/¯
pearl stratus
Because you can just say "It's trash talk."
So that's removed right away as an excuse.
orchid herald
That’s true
pearl stratus
You have to remove all human emotion from the situation.
Which people don't do well.
orchid herald
But then Muma and xqc both figured it out and apologized
And reddit still complained
pearl stratus
Yes, they did. But that doesn't make it okay.
pearl stratus
Most situations the public gets more upset than the people involved.
pearl stratus
The secondary ban was too. Because it carries the weight of the first punishment too.
orchid herald
And then when xqc gets a second ban he gets dropped entirely?
It’s sort of like fuel hates him
pearl stratus
Because it proves a history of unreliability.
They don't hate him, he's just become useless.
magic zinc
It was mutual so
pearl stratus
You can't scrim with him, you can't practice with him.
He's useless to the team at that point.
magic zinc
Chances are he just didn't want to put up with it anymore
pearl stratus
And yeah, he was done with it too.
orchid herald
That’s true
pearl stratus
He'd already had a history of showing up late to practice, and being kind of "meh"
Most of them do, minus like..
orchid herald
I just think that the added punishments are stupid considering it hasn’t happened to anyone else
pearl stratus
Custa, according to the coaching staff.
No one else has been stupid enough to do stuff worth getting banned twice.
He's going to be the example just off of that. Same as any situation.
orchid herald
The first ban was extended by dallas for no reason
pearl stratus
My guess was the reason was that they wanted him to actually realize it was impacting the team and get his shit straight.
And give him time to focus on getting his head out of his ass.
orchid herald
But then if the team had already taken blows like that, why didn’t they do anything with taimou?
limber pine
Taimou's was already resolved a long time ago
pearl stratus
Taimou's was from January, don't forget.
limber pine
that's what ppl forget
orchid herald
That’s awfully long tbh
vestal mortar
I thought Seagull mentioned internal issues when people asked him about Dallas extending the ban.
pearl stratus
Because it was taken care of with just the fine, they probably didn't feel the need to make it public.
Then everyone started asking about it.
So they had to make a statement.
orchid herald
xQc replied by saying he had absolutely no clue what seagull was talking about
pearl stratus
And it got lumped in with Tairong, Silkthread and xQc.
When people say there's a problem, and you say there's not a problem.
Chances are you're the problem.
From all intents it looks like everyone on the team likes Felix, no issues with him personally.
orchid herald
Except the management
pearl stratus
But professionally I'm sure they were kind of sick of not having a main tank.
No, players too.
If I work with someone and the dudes constantly out sick so I'm taking up his slack.
I'm going to fucking hate working with the dude.
I don't hate the guy.
But I won't be mad if he gets fired.
orchid herald
But again the stage one ban was literally because the management
So wouldn’t it be their fault in that situation?
pearl stratus
In my opinion, no.
orchid herald
Like he would have been gone for two games