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I'm not sure if xqc is keen to the counter dive strategy
he is very aggressive, which works if your team is okay with it
It also works if your d'va can handle it.
yeah but his team cant decide if they wanna go that route or not
but fuel has always been a protect the supports team
Which as much as I like Mickie.
Mickie is not an aggro dva
he's a play safe dva
they're still dreaming about their envyus glory days
It'd work with a Coolmatt, or London's backup D'va (Weooyun? Something like that)
EnvyUs glory days were triple tank meta
But the other thing is that Mickie is another essential element to the team.
Because you need Mickie's personality.
Back then they were the best team in the world
To counter balance the fact all of Dallas is basically emo as shit lately.
So you want that positive vibe around.
But Harryhooks interview basically explained the Dallas thing perfectly.
btw mickie actually looked sad yesterday
which was....?
Everyones doing their own thing as they all try to learn how to play as a team again.
he was just staring at the ground when cameras went on him
oh yeah pretty much
are they a dive team? are they a passive team? what to do??? lol
@whole mulch I would guess, much like Shanghai, there's a LOT of infighting going on.
They're a passive team in an aggro meta right now.
rein comps they were king
If you look at the teams doing well in Stage 2.
now it's winston comps
They're all aggro as hell.
It's why Eqo was such a good pick up for those first few games for Philly.
They are, but they're still playing more aggro than their stage 1
By a noticeable amount.
They're not Philly/Seoul aggro lately.
Probably has to due with mercy nerf
But they're definitely not letting people sit and get ults.
Stage 1 was a lot of "protect the mercy"
Seoul has been arguably TOO aggressive lately.
They're even aggressive on Defense.
Running deep aggressive defense dives.
Super high risk high reward.
I'm okay with that now that they don't have to protect a mercy and zen at the same time now
I like aggro games
I'm okay with it when Tobi is on the field.
When its Gido + RHJ its dangerous.
Tobi can take care of himself and his supports because of how he plays Lucio.
Gido can't replicate it.
As much as the league hypes some of the other Lucios.
Tobi is the Jjonak of Lucio.
Uh, Effect explained it a bit.
(All the Dallas players have been putting out livejournal posts lately)
EnvyUS had adjusted to a "ALL SUPPORT THIS ONE GUY" play style when he joined.
It was 5 guys bumping and protecting his tracer.
Now they're doing to AKM.
And they need to be better at working as 6 people winning a map.
Not 1 guy winning a map with 5 supports.
At the time of this interview, Dallas Fuel just lost 0-3 to San Francisco Shock and it didn't look close. I wanted to talk to Jonathan "HarryHook" Tejedor Rua in particular because Shock was making life a living hell for a support player. So what does a seasoned support player do when his team is getting rolled?
EFFECT just streamed about his performance and discussed the internal problems he and his team is going through. Here are some major points: *...
Pretty much
xQc leaving will probably be a boon as much as it hurts them.
But he's unreliable as a teammate both because of his aggressive play, and his personality.
As good as he is, he's not a part of the team right now.
It's 5 fuel and a Winston.
Team synergy just seems to be lacking
Part of that is their pick ups, in my opinion.
I don't personally believe they needed AKM or Rascal.
They're not bad to have, don't get me wrong.
akm is probably needed
But adding more people into a group that already can't work as a team
Just adds more people who can't work as a team.
I think they’re just getting desperate
But Kyky said he didn't want AKM.
Hak overrode him.
And AKM got recruited.
And apparently came with a "I start or I don't sign" mentality.
Which means you're stuck building your team around AKM.
Who, lets be fair, is an INSANE soldier.
But he's been trash on everything else.
But now they have to start from the ground up
His Pharah has been passable at best.
He attempted to go Widow for all of 15 seconds.
And just got shot in the face and swapped again.
Yeah idk if that worked out that well
Shadowburn s widow was better lol
Shadowburns Widow wasn't good - but how he played it was insanely smart.
And that's the biggest difference.
...How does shadow widow on that insane sens
The genji main can actually know how to play widow and get value out of it
Shadowburn didn't play a Widow v. Widow.
and shadow's widow wasn't great either
He did the damage
To draw Linkzr into a bad position.
And exploited it.
It was a very smart play.
But he didn't make the play because his Widow was insane.
Most widows go for widow v widow
He made the play because he was smarter than Houston at that moment.
Linkzr overestimated himself
I don't think he overestimated himself, I think he just... didn't think.
He went " I need to kill this widow."
And forgot about everything esle.
*else.
I think all outlaws fans were ashamed in that ilios map
Shadowburn is a very cerebral player.
If he can't outplay you, he'll out think you.
Sdb actually thinks yeah
It's why he's so god damn boring to watch lol
Because he holds his blades for those perfect moments.
And his blades are good.
But they're rare.
That’s why despite eqos wicked performance, I’d still keep sdb for the big boys
I'd play both.
He’s patient with his blades
He knows when he is confident enough to get value out of them
Yeah true
Sometimes you need that aggressive genji
Speaking of genjis, how come valiant doesn't run silkthread anymore
Eqo can destabilize people pretty quickly because he generates blades SO fast.
No clue man
he had an amazing performance in stage 1, then all of a sudden they don't play him
??
Silk thread was like the libero of valiant
I don't think they know who to sub out for him, tbh,
Kariv and Silkthread only really overlap on Soldier.
But I think Kariv was carrying his weight very well
Kariv is a much better Widow.
Agilities did jack shit tho
And you're not going to sub out Soon.
So they're hitting walls on when you rotate them around.
Heck no you need that tracer main
They'll figure it out.
soon has quickly become my favorite tracer in the league
He's not my favorite, but he's always fun to watch.
I originally said he was the smartest Tracer in the league.
Although getting trapped by that junkrat trap yesterday was kinda embarrassing
But after SBBs last point touch against Boston.
I had to rescind my comment.
Because that thing was just.
I still think Soon is the smartest tracer in the league.
I think SBB is smarter, but has to employ it less.
Because his surrounding teammates are better.
SBB has better supports, and better tanks creating space for him
Not that LAV is bad, but they're not NYXL.
it's hard to tell
Yeah maybe soon just doesn’t have as many chances to shine
Soon has to play smarter, because his support structure isn't as tight.
SBB gets free reign.
in some instances soon wouldn't be able to get into the enemy backline, because his tanks are not playing it properly
Sbb pretty much runs around unchecked bc his team covers for him so well
but SBB would have jjonak supporting him, his tanks causing a distraction
and his tanks don't die doing so
SBB is just bananas. He's the one person I wish I could spectate all the time.
That and he manages his blinks and recalls so well
sbb's movement is great
I honestly think Jake will get up to a respectable level of Tracer eventually.
it's actually one of the problems I noticed in effect
But I don't think he'll go above say..
A Carpe cap.
He's just not mechanically good enough.
Probably not
Just please stop spamming your blinks jake
But he's smart enough he should be able to overcompensate.
So I have a weird theory about Jake blinking.
I'm relatively certain just like xQc and speaking without thinking, that Jake is thinking too much.
So he's planning a blink in advance, and just... hits the button.
Like a spaz.
Thus spamming it
You can see him streaming on Tracer that he's actually decently competent.
Then he gets into an OWL game.
And now he's shot calling, creating strategy while trying to Tracer.
And its too much,.
Btw does anyone feel like mercy and junk nerfs hurt jake a lot
Because he only has to focus on being Tracer.
normally a mercy goes well with a junkrat
All he needed to be was DECENT, but in owl r has been feeding
The Junk nerfs didn't hurt at all, the Mercy nerf did.
Jake commented on that before she got nerfed.
Most high SR / Pro Junks don't miss the conc mines.
It depends
A tracer can blink before it gets into full damage radius
but before the nerf, she just had to be in the overall radius
Yeah but usually you want to force a blink first and throw to the blink range.
You get used to the timing/distance.
hey fellaws
these Contenders games are over, or are they gonna start this march?
the insta mine trick doesn't work anymore vs tracer
why is it that when someone brings up contenders it reminds me of chicken tenders
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That's unexpected..
replacing fissure
is he as good as fissure doe hmmmm
so, is this contenders thing over?
unexpected? hes been expected to join them since he didnt show up for OTS
Contenders hasn't started
so there's a new contenders?
so again, if i'd wanna try to get somewhere, i'd be too late again? 😄
Yes
you'd probably be best off to start now if you want to get somewhere
ye, but start where?
finding/building teams, getting a reputation, tryouts for teams, preparing with those teams for next open division
Open Division
you dont just magically get into a top tier team
Find a team for that
You need to do well in open division if you want to find a contenders team



man u gotta cheer for the underdog
#InFusionWeTrust
#pdomjnate
fuson vs dinysty today?
any other interesting matches tday?
ya
and perhaps a chance for shanghai to finally win??
we keep saying that but you never know dude
I HOPE
first time since OWL started?
If todays wins are Fusion, Outlaws, Dragons, I will shave my #####
u sure?
Yes
Fusion fans are also Shanghai fans so I'll be cheering on all of my boys tonight
how did val not play vs outl in stage1 ?
Im just a humble fuel fan who's loved them since the old envy days :0
This is also Fusion's first time to verse the seoul dynasty
did Val underperform or was Glad just too good last night?
HE DID
and fissure was being a beast as usual
valiant just didn't know how to deal with hydration's blades
same way houston didn't know how to deal with shadowburn's blades
SHANGHAI tho, knew how to deal with wekeed's blades
Kings Row with Shanghai and Seoul = beautiful
full hold on point A bro
yea
gan
can't wait for my bae geguri to play
but ye, MG was doing well a hog
alot say MG sucks as dva
I'm really really hoping that Fusion can fucking win this today. winning both matches this week will put us in an amazing spot for stage 2
fusion did beat nyxl in stage 1
they better fucking beat seoul today
cant be korean teams winning all the time
idk if they can depend on eqo enough yet it's gonna be shadowburn
the team next didnt had any problems
I think they'll run sdb for KOTH for his pharah flex
although that was when seoul was during their bad phase
SDB For KoTH, Eqo everything else I feel.
they haven't announced the starting lineup for Fusion games yet in stage 2 so far issa mystery right now
Eqo was sick so he hasn't played since week 1
sick because his dragon blades were so sick
jk, they posted a vid on his Instagram story and he's got his Jersey on. maybe he'll be starting tonight 👀
Good
I wouldn't mind the dynasty come crashing down to an end by some team-wipe dragon blades
gotta fuck up them supports, not get frazzled by the DPS
Y'all really don't liek seoul
I love all teams
I don't hate Seoul, it's just that my heart belongs to Philly
So I wouldn't hope for them to come crashing down that's a lil hatsh
Harsh*
Ok I see
Rooting for the underdogs ight then
#PhillyDilly
dont u nut everyday
yes
Seoul don't even win every match
We lost to valiant before and the other koreans
Seoul loses
how many games have seoul lost
I got my Fusion shirt on right the fuck now because I am so fucking ready
i forget
uuuuuh, 4?
And their wins arn't clean
3-4
3
idk man their wins in this stage have been pretty damn clean
but yeah they did lose against
valiant
nyxl
and 4-0'ed by london
Eqo is starting, it's confirmed
i want some Dr.DoA
but still they are too powerful dude
Montechristo X Mr. x 1m views
I love Mr. X
i'd bang
i mean i aint gay
I would hug that man
but damn
OWL is full cuties
#FreeMalik
I think he belongs.... somewhere else, either than esports
nah 🅱
❤
#BringMalikBack
NO! then they would have to remove erin!!!
We're good with Erin ❤
I cannot take that sweet woman seriously
she probably needed a job and uber just saw her on the street and said oh hawt damn
Lmao
Erin over Soe? 
Dr.DoA kappa
more like highkey hell no to that statement 
whos ready for some sym play
i am
I'm always ready for Symm play
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ok
jake on tracer today lul
Again?
Jake is close to a melt down
man idk who to cheer for
Poor guy jake he thought he could take the memes and embrace them but it turned on him.
I tried to watch that vid and my computer fucking crashed
what if i turn my qwerty keyboard into an abcde keyboard
wasd wont be wasd anymore
itll be bklm
@torpid charm basically just said “ yeah I am jake, I am tired of talking to all of xqc’s retarded fans” or something like that
Like he was so depressed
get ready it's about to start
as soon as he said retarded my computer was like "woooooow" then died
but that's crazy
it's time for Philly to #pdomjnate
Philly > Seoul
oooooooh lets do thuisss
LAV is lowkey becoming shit tier tbh
once shanghai reaches 20 losses theyre gonna go on a 4 game winning streak
ERIIIIIIIIN ❤

Who would win Philly or Seoul's B team?
depends on what players are playing today for seoul
I personally think Seoul will win this one.
Did Erin do a miscalc
I think shadowburn should be benched
if it's the B team again then philly probably, but they already said they're splitting their team this week, so yesterday was the B team, today they'll let the A team play
#FreePuckett
Seoul was likely practicing their actual comp against the Fusions style
I just got lime 10 token wtf
this should be interesting
I think she meant to hype the crowd about the Houston VS LA match 2 hours earlier when she meant to hype up fusion and dynasty
when philly loses first map they almost always lose
that's because most matchups end 4-0 somehow
That's an early call, but I won't turn that assumption down
EQO POGGERS
im calling a 3-1 seoul win
F
NA PRODUCTION LUL
Yeah it blacked out
?
For like three dead seconds
philly needs that Fragi gameplay
Ryu looks so cute with the part in his hair
if WoW is still active after 14 years I doubt OW will die out soon
i think its just you
Maybe
hoping that Philly'a synergy can help them get a win today

LETS GO PHILLY 
loving mendo is gay culture
carpe needs some water

can i change your mind
try
i dont want the outcome this way but it will most likely be 3-1 seoul
i'll offer you a nothing if you just go for a 4-0 seoul
im predicting 4-0 seoul
i'll negate what i said
game 5
Dragons take it
seoul winning 4-0
I think there's more hype in Houston vs Val
ShaDowBurn is the soul of Philly
Since the viewers right now are quite low lol

shadowburn aint outperforming anyone right now

sole dinnesty
sole dienasty
gimme doa and ill be happy



Ofc seoul will win


Healers of seoul can outheal SDB anyday
here we gooooooooo
its nutqo

eqo shift spam
Fleta already on fire

not anymore
no way is eqo in
Oh Eqo.
Fleeta man
now he is
"I want to go against Fleta."
when are koreans not on fire
eqo will sub after this game
suure
Fleta!!
fleta needs to calm down
F
L
E
T
A 
i hate twitch chat cause they act like their pros
same
Twitch Chat is the 13th OWL team
Fleta nooo
ez cap
rip Dynasty
F


Lmao

poko with that nuke
it's so easy to pinpoint lazy camera persepctives
Someone should invest 20 million for an OWL team and get players from twitch
be afraid
twitch chat just follows what casters say, casters just say what hapens to the player on the screen
That seemed like a waste of an ult there
low iq cameramen ruin owl

Somber
i mostly watch the twitch chat for entertaining purposes since (gotta admit) it's funny to read sometimes, but not for "serious posts"
see the casters get hyped over fleta killing 1 person with a blade
@gilded quartz there are very few, but people have focused on the broadcasting where you don't even notice how perfectly timed their perspective shift is
like wtf
I wanna see Rhyjehong's cam again to see how much he moves his arm
philly lookin like a whole cap
sucking fleetas dick 

nah
wow
g e t c a p p e d
they did it 

did Poko forget he had ult that whole round lmao

Poko kept getting hacked
philly's gonna get destroyed tho on defense
Wew Fusion doing pretty well
he wanted to ult when he demeched
that was quick
if he ults too early and gets demeched he is fucked
Ryu was playing the "hack right before demech" so poko couldn't ult
Poko aggro ults all the time
break the chair
Don't jinx Seoul pls
nice Tobi
pls jinx seoul pls
pls jinx seoul pls
seoul is gonna 4-0 fusion right here

uh?
That genji be surviving with the lowest health!!
that point was open for so long
t h r o w i n g
r o l l e d
keep the camera on jehong dammit give the people waht they want
now trans
o:
ez point cap
I didn't know
monkaS
#plat lol
pls no
they tried to set up a good rush for B, that's all
rip
6 ults incoming gg
Boombox Pogchamp
uk too good
uk op pls nerf
haha rolled btw
haha 4 ults btw
Zen save the day
oh sht seoul held onto their ults
Lmao Boombox got Miro and Munchkin
almost 5 ults on fusion btw
it's a slow snowball guys
yes
not nvm
battle of weebs
fleta op pls nerf
rip
ayyyyyy
hotfix when
@humble moth Ay our bois are playing after this game
tbh Philly are doing a lot better than I thought they would
ANA GAMEPLAY POGGERS
thats because dps are focusing good
gonna see fusion vs seoul again in stage 2 playoffs doe
Philly has been playing out of their minds for a while
miro? 
ripperino


You think Philly is making it to Stage 2 playoffs?

Ha
monkeytmonkeymonkey
very good
monkey monkey monkey
The coms are amazing haha
monekymonekymoenkeymonkeymoenkey
Btw can Carpe speak English?
its over
DVADVADVADVADVA
Uh
eqo thinks he can beat fleta
fleta's genji feeds eqo's genji
I'm not sure if he can speak english
he probably can
Yeah like 2 seasons ago
Yeah he was on FaZe
@brisk roost dont believe everything you hear on the internet
OOOOOOO F
EQO
OOF
NUT QO
XD!
YO FLETA AINT GOT SHT
LOL
That was a shot if ive seen one
omgeal
2 lazy 2 delet
delet
stop bulli
bulli

M E G A L U L

A L P H A L U L
i sad
rip even with eqo playing well only first
betalul
RIP
gammalul
Goodluck with the next defense Philly
fletalul
Full hold baby lesgo
lol next joke
what kind of cheese?
full hold seoul
GOLD 
;(
semmler when will you stfu

the ana should have dropped to the mega
Fleta is meta
Fleta is meta
Hi
pls nerf fleta pls
good hold fusion. good hold.
ooo damn
Fleta 1v11
Eqo push
e c o n o m i c a l
i hope they win because with a draw we cant get to a map 5 
real estate
lol EQO damn
chopped em to bits
poko so good
t h i c c source of healing
man eqo is pro genji
KOBE

lets go philly
its ok philly
bruh GG
s l a m d u n k
Yay
pleas dont b sad
pleas
Eqo better dps but not better genji than sdb
AHH THEY"RE TOO STRONG
Fleta that ult tho lul
7

eqo's an overall better dps yeah
but all they need is genji
Eh
they dont need a widow to counter fleta if he brings one out
paid actors 
just fragi nd poko
someone is acting like they know what theyre talking about
Problem is seoul counter dives really well
If fragi and poko go for fleta they'll be collapsed on
that's why teams counter widow instead
4head
Do they nd SDB or EQO?
i know that they need to sub off eqo
EQO too aggressive?
Just click on their heads LOOOOOOL
XD so bad just kill 1 player u win
just boop him off LOOOOOOOOOL
that was good on both sides though, I can't hate. Philly sucks on Volskaya
Philly had a good performance overall
they had some small individual mistakes
eqo had a good game but made fatal mistakes
ooh i love some lijiang tower and some kingsrow right after that
Which part of Philly is weakest?
philly sucks on volskaya because they can play genji
...I would say their supports honestly
carpe is tracer 1 trick which they need
maybe the winston
THINGS GETTING DICEY
dps is their strongest point
Hey whos that big white guy on the dynasty team?
More dmg for more deaths for munch
you cant genji 1 trick on skaya
idk if its tank or support that weakest
I saw him in a meme the other day
Philly's dps are their stars
Supports are fine in fusion?
Fragi solo dives
none of they players are weak point
Or at least they don’t dive with him
Philly is very insonsistent
they have poko, tanks cant be the problem
fact is they are playing against a team that practices 8+ hours daily
they can beat a top tier team then lose to a mid tier the next day
and are best players in the world
By record
soon cough
eqo stay on
So0n was no1
- bonuses
but nahhh
rip fusion
Average salary is more like 80-120k
man
Carpe is reported at 200k/year
Poggers
kings row is next @short vault
shits finna go down
Lijiang is gonna be a fun game
why eqo over shadowburn here though
kind of curious
LOL
m o r e b o o p s f o r t h e b o o p g o d
Tobi LUL
TOBI LMAO
YOU TRIED TOBI LMFAO
sdb is 10x better at pharah than eqo
jehong LOL
ofc
WHAT A CHOKE
sdb is a projectile player
just stop flaming eqo lol you wouldnt be able to beat him
Eqo is playing really well
Where's Shadowburn?
DON'T CRICISISE ANYONE BECAUSE THEY ARE BETTER THAN U
benched
Is he gonna sub in later or nah?
he should
Probably
but if they want to lose then no
Eh
these bad pharah ults SMH
Only reason I can see for running eqo is they're trying something on control point
They're probably gonna do a rein comp with maybe a hitscan or junkrat
who tf is gonna play junkrat tho
Eqo?
they dont have jake
lol
they are gunna have to put eqo on soldier
only reason they would have him on this roster
nah carpe is gonna be on soldier
Such a good round
fletas soldier is so good
no way
that was disappointed
Fleta's Soldier is decent asf
ing
So far I don't see a reason for them to play eqo here
ok
I mean he is not playing bad
but sdb is better on genji and oharah
Yes
and carpe and sdb are better duo
way more scrims
because people play diff comps on control point
other than dive
I can't say though
back cap?
nvm
jehong is carrying seoul
without jehong they wouldnt be able to do shit
umm ok
apart from maybe beat shanghai
thats an opinion
FUSION IS BEST OWL TEAM
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DXx88CkU0AA5-fg.jpg
This just in shadowburn is not playing because he is busy with puppies
Ha
GG asf
lol
cute
And lol
shadowpup
Which kid
AY THE KID USED A MIDDLE FINGER
BAN HIM
yes
im just waiting for houston
clipping now
😄 but ❤️
cant wait for mum coolmatt ❤
I love philly but
muma
I feel this will be a 4-0
and clckwrk
is the houston match the 2nd or 3rd one today?
2nd
2nd
good then i can watch it, 3rd is 5am for me
reverse sweep
Then I'll be going to sleep
its 2am here already 
Oh I think the kid was just pointing
no he was flipping off
with the middle finger
he said "fuck you twitch" you could read it from his lips
haha
R E V E R S E S W E E P
D I N A S T Y S W E E P
Neptuno the dps lucio
yes
i think i have like 60
i need the rest of this week and i have my skin
i watch on the OWL website, not twicth
I need to watch more
Since I'm still new to this
you don't get many, but tbh, i'm not going to buy any skins at all so i don't really mind
What does "reverse sweep" exactly mean?





