Not that it makes how Shanghai looked any better.
#esports-discussion
slim summit
Did Kariv play Mercy or Zenyatta in stage 1?
pearl stratus
Yeah, Mercy.
He was probably one of the better Mercys in the league too.
At least he always seemed like it was something he enjoyed versus something he was forced to do (like most teams)
But I do agree with you @limber pine - Shanghai looked REALLY disjointed. They had a few of their flashes of really good play but I think they're just getting into this rut right now where they have a line up they can't fix till Visas finish
And its probably wearing thin.
You've got to wonder just how much shit MG and Freefeel get from their teammates.
pearl stratus
Okay. I'm like four lines in.
And can we switch to the Chinese names for things?
Because Release Dog Formation.
Sounds SO much better than Dive.
limber pine
+1
indigo barn
+1
limber pine
Formation is just a much better word than comp
pearl stratus
I agree on the breakdown for Undead and Diya.
I've been saying they've been trying to carry too hard since Stage 1, and it causes as much trouble as it fixes.
Diya trying to flex onto so many roles he just can't perform on, Undead getting into lots of stupid/weird positions to try and solo a team.
And the last three-four paragraphs throw SO much shade at their coach.
Which is appropriate, since really its where all of their issues come from.
Shanghai didn't just bring a knife to a gun fight. In the case of MG and Freefeel they brought a damn butter knife,.
limber pine
They brought a plastic spork
pearl stratus
Nah because you could break the spork and it can get dangerous. They brought that childs plastic doctor knife thing. Thats just a gray flat lump of rounded plastic.
Oh well, I'll just keep PTR'ing Brigitte and be sad that Shanghai, and her, will never be amazing.
torpid charm
last night's game made me so sad
limber pine
at least the first two were pretty good
SFS and DF were within in a few feet of forcing game 5
it's funny to see how teams are so much better without having to force Mercy/Dive
silk linden
DF's next four games are Valiant, SFS, Mayhem and Boston. If they want to prove they've stepped up they gotta win those
scarlet spear
tbh 2 of them should be a win nonetheless
silk linden
Then it's Philly and NY, but we'll cross that bridge when we get to it
silk linden
Yeah that's the point, beating the low teams doesn't show much, the tier they gotta win to beat is the Valiant/Boston/Philly one
They can do it, given how close they were at times with seoul
Dallas i mean
As for Houston IMHO they're just gonna roll Stage 2, they're incredible
limber pine
yeah I thought they'd lose out a bit on Jakerat nerfs
but they look just as good as ever
magic zinc
Did the Junkrat nerfs hurt that much for OWL?
silk linden
Jake does a better job on tracer than many other undoubtedly more skilled players
magic zinc
Ofc it was a nerf but player on that level probably don't notice it that much
silk linden
Because he knows what he has to do
silk linden
IMHO they're the best team in the league right now
torpid charm
I'm really hoping that Philly can take this win today
indigo barn
Idk man philly looking pretty sexy
hidden osprey
Jake does a better job on tracer than many other undoubtedly more skilled players
Is this a meme?
silk linden
Nope
indigo barn
Then again, Houston got its anti-dive game on
hidden osprey
Jake's tracer sucks, there was even a video yesterday they played where I think Pine? said Jake's tracer was very bad
Even his ranked Tracer stats suck
silk linden
He isn't a skilled tracer, doesn't mean it's not effective in his team
torpid charm
I don't like Jake on Tracer
hidden osprey
Sure, but it's nowhere near better than the other players
silk linden
People focus too much on damage and kills
indigo barn
They have clockwork for trace
silk linden
Stats have a limited meaning
hidden osprey
They provide a good indicator though
silk linden
Jake would lose a Tracer 1v1 to any other dps in the league, but guess what, 1v1s mean Jack shit
hearty wasp
Yo. My OWL app wont work
silk linden
The game is about pushing objectives, zoning, making space
hearty wasp
Who won last night?
hidden osprey
and Jake's tracer does not do that lol
hearty wasp
What were the scores?
hidden osprey
He can really only play projectile heroes it seems, and some hitscan
silk linden
Did you guys actually watch the last Houston games or is your source of OW insight twitch chat
indigo barn
Leave the hitscan to linkzr lol
silk linden
Jake did perfectly fine on tracer
indigo barn
He did fine
torpid charm
I think my biggest fear with Philly playing Houston is the tanks, Muma is too good. Fragi is improving but idk if he's improved enough to out play Houston
hidden osprey
But he didn't play well to the point he's better than other tracer players
That's just plain wrong
indigo barn
Houston shuts down the dive
hidden osprey
"Jake does a better job on tracer than many other undoubtedly more skilled players"
silk linden
But he does better work for his team
indigo barn
Jake is definitely not carpes tracer
silk linden
Eqo makes them even divier
torpid charm
Snillo's birthday is tomorrow so he'll be playable, maybe it'll change some more things with Philly
silk linden
Yes, and yet I'd wager Houston would be worse off with a Carpe or SBB on tracer right now instead of Jake. Because even on a hero he's mediocre at, he's still part of such a well oiled machine
hearty wasp
Jake did fine on tracer guys :(
torpid charm
I do not like Jake's Tracer
torpid charm
honestly
vestal mortar
Indeed
silk linden
I mean, Houston are one of the best teams in the league, they must be doing things right
limber pine
well sure
silk linden
Jake's tracer is good enough for his other qualities to shine through and make him worth having in the lineup
limber pine
yes
silk linden
Still, having clockwork in the back doesn't hurt
silk linden
Not recently
limber pine
damn i forget last week already
silk linden
I'm pretty sure he subbed for Jake on Volskaya
silk linden
CW subbed for linkzrs last stage when he was sick. This time it's actually a tactical choice
They said that they preferred to have the old fnrgfe core on Volskaya since it was a map they didn't feel great about
indigo barn
Clockwork has been subbing in for Jake when they needed a tracer
silk linden
Not always
indigo barn
All we need is the humble jakerat
silk linden
Did linkzr use to hold the league record for the most consecutive consonants in his name? It's probably fctfctn now
indigo barn
How do U even pronounce that
magic zinc
I'd choke over that no thanks
silk linden
Pronounce it "ef see tee ef see tee an"
The casters with the mc skills
As Uber said "they spit fire, I spit bars"
limber pine
It's kinda like when the casters for FNRGFE were pronouncing it FerNergehFee
silk linden
"the corndogs"
Btw it's still amazing that the corndogs ended up being one of the best teams in the league
Granted they got some amazing additions, but the core is still very much there
Coolmatt-Muma-Boink is the skeleton of Houston, and they're solid as hell
indigo barn
I hope eqo doesn’t wipe out my boys the outlaws tonight
magic zinc
I wonder if Mendo is gonna get traded, I feel for the guy 🕯
vestal mortar
Traded because of his teeth issues?
magic zinc
Has he constantly had them or was he benched even when fit?
I heard about it but only semi-recently
vestal mortar
He had a really bad infection for about a month and has only super recently gotten over it. You should watch the latest episode of Outlaws Focus
indigo barn
They cannot give up their secret weapon
pearl stratus
Hey, I'm all for teams working around their roles. It's nice for a change of pace.
Also @magic zinc Basically Mendo got sick. Started getting better. Had his massive wisdom teeth/mouth infection thing. Then got sick again.
I don't think they'll trade him for something completely out of his control.
limber pine
I wonder if the new teams next season will be looking to pull from free agents or bench players off present teams
magic zinc
Welp sorry for being an uninformed twat 
pearl stratus
Nah, unless you caught the short or heard it from random commentator its not exactly front page news.
magic zinc
Teams with a strong core will probably be looking at free agents as they wont be asking for a starting spot and are just happy to be in OWL
pearl stratus
I think existing teams are starting to realize how important some of the niche players are.
Like Seoul picking up Gambler.
So they can never get stuck without a Mercy again when they need it.
Also its interesting to see teams picking up two players of the same role.
But with distinct different playstyles.
I.E. Shadowburn vs. Eqo.
Shadowburn being that calm, precise genji that can hold his blade for hours.
And Eqo is just a manic shuriken throwing rabid dog.
silk linden
Spree gets paid 50k a year to play a single map and fucking dominate it. Houston have got this OWL shit down
pearl stratus
I doubt spree got signed for a full 200k, but yeah. They were smart to pick specialists.
magic zinc
It helps drive each other to be better I think, someone like Mickie for example could have terrible scrims but you need a D.va so he plays
indigo barn
What is this tingling feeling I have that outlaws are gonna get 4-0’ed tonight
I pray it not to be
silk linden
It's a feeling of stupidity
pearl stratus
I actually don't think they'll get 4-0.
indigo barn
It’s very possible
pearl stratus
Houston is aggressive as well.
indigo barn
Philly looking to be on their a game
pearl stratus
So we're going to have two very aggro teams competing.
indigo barn
I’m scared for the outlaws man
indigo barn
Tonight may be the night they get rekt
magic zinc
I think Outlaws might have a tight loss but I have never been right before so put your money on them winning
pearl stratus
In terms of aggressive dps they're pretty even, all in all.
indigo barn
My boys the outlaws are going to their graves tonight
pearl stratus
So it breaks down to supports and tanks.
pearl stratus
They're really not, as much as I enjoy watching them.
silk linden
Guys, they beat spitfire twice. Philly weren't even top 6 a little while ago. Stop overhyping
slim summit
lol
indigo barn
I’m just SCARED man
indigo barn
Philly might have this in the bag
pearl stratus
I would say its more the distinct change in their playstyle between Stage 1 and 2 that has them winning so much.
The amount of aggression they've come out of the gate with for Stage 2 is insane.
indigo barn
And yeah fusion are the boys who took down nyxl
silk linden
Dps mean very little in OWL. They're hands down the least important role
indigo barn
True
pearl stratus
So did London. Multiple times and when it counted.
indigo barn
Houston’s tanks > Phillys tanks
pearl stratus
Houstons support is better too.
pearl stratus
Depends on Jake, tbh.
If Jake benches himself on the right maps again for Clockwork
indigo barn
But I do think Houston has more team chemstry
pearl stratus
I like Linkzr and Clockwork more than Eqo and Carpe.
pearl stratus
And we've seen Jake bench himself for Clockwork last week.
So hopefully its a trend on the proper maps.
indigo barn
The humble Jake rat
indigo barn
I’m just kidding
magic zinc
Bench... himself?
pearl stratus
It wouldn't surprise me if Jake made 90% of the calls for the team, including with coaching stuff. His game sense and evaluation is ridiculously well thought out and on point.
indigo barn
Mendo will bench everyone once he’s better
pearl stratus
Granted I want to punch him in his gum chewing face when I have to listen to him.
indigo barn
Idk sometimes Jake goes for sick plays but ends up flopping
pearl stratus
So its still 50-50.
Thats because Jake is mechanically one of the weakest players in the league.
indigo barn
But his junkrat tho no one can shut down
Except maybe profit
Profit has a nice junkrat
pearl stratus
Like Jake isn't that good, which I don't think enough people understand.
indigo barn
Yeah I agree
pearl stratus
He gets by on the fact his game sense and thought process are better than people
indigo barn
But his charisma is why I love outlaws
pearl stratus
He outthinks, he doesn't outplay.
indigo barn
I love watching him play because his ego is on the line
pearl stratus
His Tracer play, while improving, is definitely bottom 3 in OWL.
His Genji is bottom 5.
And thats only saved because he ults well on Genji.
Everything else he does on it is pretty mediocre.
pearl stratus
His Soldier and his Junkrat are the two dps he plays that I feel are mechanically on the right level for OWL.
slim summit
"he's only good because he's like really good at the strategy aspect of the game, more people need to understand 😡"
indigo barn
You need brains for chess
pearl stratus
The better comparison would be Dkembe Mutombo going to the NBA.
indigo barn
You need brains for ow
slim summit
and overwatch doesn't not have a strategy aspect
pearl stratus
He was picked up because he was really tall and could block.
He couldn't play for shit though.
He picked that up later.
Or Shaq trying to shoot free throws.
magic zinc
I think a player should never be above the coaching staff making calls
pearl stratus
I do, if they know their team better.
pearl stratus
A lot of sports have the coaches to oversee and the team is making a lot of the calls.
To me a part of coaching is giving your players the knowledge to make those calls without you too.
slim summit
of shaq is comparable that makes jake gr8 tho
pearl stratus
I'm not trying to say Jake is bad or anything like that. Mechanics and game sense are what make up a play in total. I'm just saying mechanics are his weakest aspect. He's smart as hell though, and thats huge for his team.
He does weird breakdowns now and again discussing things from like.. statistical and psychological views.
jagged crater
i find it interesting that they still play jake for tracer even tho he's noted as the weakest tracer on the team
they really want him to improve
big brain helps i guess
pearl stratus
I think its because of what he brings to the team even if he's underperforming.
jagged crater
outlaws has 4 dps players, and jake was least known for playing tracer
mendo feelsbadman
pearl stratus
Mendo is basically dead.
magic zinc
Is there contact with the coaching staff during matches?
pearl stratus
I honestly don't know. I assume there is, but its probably superceded by player comms.
jagged crater
grimreality seems like an even less likely player to get playtime than mendo
he has a support player playing over him for dps
that's a real feelsbadman
silk linden
Tbh saying Jake's mechanics are among the worst in the league is saying he's a 9.7 in a league of 9.998s. At that level raw skill differences matter very little
magic zinc
Its looking like a... grim reality for him 
silk linden
Grim will get even less playtime than Mendo because Valiant are manager worse than Houston
pearl stratus
But with Tracer? It matters a LOT.
magic zinc
I disagree, its what makes the difference imo at that level for Dps
jagged crater
that's gotta say a lot about kariv's skill when he mained support recently and still gets the job for dps despite having 3 dps players on the bench
magic zinc
Constantly being out-Tracered isnt nice for your supports
pearl stratus
Like look at NYXL.
SBB is a monster.
Just an angry tracer monster.
If your tracer can't even keep it in check, you're going to have a bad time.
jagged crater
Jake's weakest point is prob hitting those pulse bombs?
pearl stratus
Pulse bombs and recall.
jagged crater
if you watched munchkin yesterday, he hit SO many pulse bombs that swung the fight to seoul's favor
magic zinc
Poor xQc lol
silk linden
Jake doesn't get outtracered though. He said it this way: "my team can win any 5v5. If I can or the enemy tracer as busy as possible I've done my job"
pearl stratus
He's gotten out-Tracered a few times.
jagged crater
that really says a lot about houston tho, if jake even tho he's missing pulses, still winning
pearl stratus
But last week he pulled himself out for Clockwork too
jagged crater
if jake can actually master tracer, houston is a force to be reckon with
pearl stratus
So we'll see how it evolves.
His Tracer is getting a bit better every game he's in though.
jagged crater
already competing close within korean teams
pearl stratus
Korean teams aren't better or worse than any of the other teams in the league anymore that have any cohesion.
That was really their biggest advantage in stage 1.
All the Korean teams had a TON of cohesion going into Stage 1. A lot of the other teams had to build it up.
In this example Houston from Week 1 to 3 in Stage 1 the play change is huge.
And post Week 3 they just stopped losing.
Till it mattered, lol 😛
jagged crater
Houston came in as a mid-tier OWL team because their fnrg core lineup was tier 1.5 material
they had cohesion but lacked individual skill (people thought)
silk linden
Jake goes into a fight thinking "how can I manage to waste their cooldowns" not just "how can I kill them". I'm sure he's not the only one with that mentality, but still, it shows he's in the right mindset
jagged crater
linkzr and jake were great additions
pearl stratus
They had some cohesion, but the difference between now and then is pretty huge.
silk linden
@jagged crater Rawkus too
silk linden
Eqo is scouting mastery
jagged crater
I litrally knew nothing about eqo
pearl stratus
I think Eqo will settle though.
jagged crater
i didnt even watch israel play in world cup
pearl stratus
I won't lie, he's a damn good genji.
silk linden
So is pretty much all of Boston yeah. Where did kazper even play before?
jagged crater
what he showed, he's def insane
pearl stratus
But he's so aggressive that I think shock value is aiding his play too.
pearl stratus
He's also a better pair with Carpe than Shadowburn imo.
Since Carpe is really aggressive.
And had to tone down with Shadowburn some.
silk linden
Kazper is straight up top 3 Western dps, and I didn't even know him before the OWL
pearl stratus
I think on a raw skill level Shadowburn is probably the better overall genji. But sometimes you need to unleash a little monster.
Hebrew Hammer all over the supports.
jagged crater
comp scene people knew about kazper before OWL, but he didnt display anything particularly special
compared to other tier 1 dps players
pearl stratus
We're also seeing a lot of people playing on teams of their own caliber too.
jagged crater
whatever happened between signup and OWL must've made him much stronger
pearl stratus
So they're able to stand out more.
Like I knew about Fleta prior to OWL.
But I don't think I ever understood JUST how good he was.
Until he had a team that was really good too.
So he could just do his thing.
Same with Libero on NYXL.
They don't have to worry about being 1v11 anymore.
And they just kind of show up.
jagged crater
we knew libero was good tho
pearl stratus
Yeah they both were
jagged crater
he was the korean swiss army knife
pearl stratus
But their teams weren't great.
jagged crater
really fun to watch tho
meta athena was it?
the team that was inventing new stuff
pearl stratus
Yeah, MA is good and innovative but his constant flex to fit their play wasn't as impactful as it is now.
Though I'm really disappointed in NYXL this tage.
*stage
I want more Libero Hanzo.
silk linden
have we already seen all heroes but symmetra again?
pearl stratus
Hanzo was his first main, because he did archery in real life.
silk linden
were bastion or torb played yet?
jagged crater
yea
silk linden
I mean in stage 2
pearl stratus
Still counts 😛
pearl stratus
I don't see Sym or Torb ever being a real serious pick for pro because of the game pace.
jagged crater
and linkzr on mei on KR
pearl stratus
It's just too fast for them to be effective.
jagged crater
really great to see off-meta heroes being played in interesting ways
silk linden
why did torb work on numbani anyway?
indigo barn
Shadowburn is the leagues top genii hands down
jagged crater
on ladder, torb is actually a good pick on first point numbani def
esp vs uncoordinated solo queue
pearl stratus
Yeah, ladder vs pro is a whole different animal.
Which is funny because whenever I discuss a hero I'm almost always talking about pro play because honestly in ladder just about anything works if you're coordinated.
jagged crater
think you see tobi from time to time play torb on numbani like that
indigo barn
Muma will eventually go attack symmetra
jagged crater
some team vs shanghai will be the first to use symmetra
poor shanghai, just for teams to experiment and BM on 😦
delicate mural
BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL BILL
indigo barn
Nyxl should go all support when they vs shanghai
pearl stratus
They need their new recruits. Stupid Visa process.
I blame Trump for Shanghai's Stage 2 losses.
jagged crater
thanks obama
indigo barn
Pretty much
silk linden
I blame blizzard for being so americacentric
pearl stratus
Biggest cash cow.
silk linden
they could have held season 1 in like lithuania but noooo
silk linden
people had mad faith in it
pearl stratus
People also don't want to miss the next big thing.
silk linden
shows how much the naysayers know
silk linden
"OWL is gonna crush and burn" so many experts out there
silk linden
well, prices have also been inflating more recently
pearl stratus
It's weird seeing non-tech things getting involved too
silk linden
it's only natural
pearl stratus
Toyota, T-Mobile, etc.
The computer companies make sense.
Toyota was out of left field for me.
"RAV-4 HOUSTON OUTLAW EDITION"
Big ol Black and Green car.
silk linden
gaming is starting to become less of a niche, and people are surprised
pearl stratus
Only thing that surprises me is the speed of it, tbf.
silk linden
but I mean, the average gamer is like 32
worn falcon
32 years old?
whole narwhal
There have been players sponsored by airline companies or VISA, and the Boston Eleague was sponsored by the US Air Force
last thicket
I am 35 😛
whole narwhal
So Toyota being a sponsor isn’t all that surprising
last thicket
I still have a chance then 😛
whole narwhal
I’m 21, I need to get really good really fast if I want a shot
pearl stratus
It's funny I have a friend who is in their mid 30s and he's still got better reaction time and hand/eye coordination/precision than 20 somethings.
jagged crater
if you include mobile gaming as gaming, average age is prob a lot higher
pearl stratus
But he'll never go pro because of his job lol
whole narwhal
He’s probably a freak of nature haha
pearl stratus
Since he's already a surgeon.
whole narwhal
We don’t include mobile gaming
pearl stratus
Nah, surgeon. He does exercises for dexterity, etc pretty constantly.
whole narwhal
We’re talking core gamers
pearl stratus
I feel like we should.
Since Candy Crush alone made $2 billion dollars last year.
So they could buy out most of the gaming world if they wanted to.
whole narwhal
I don’t think the average Candy Crush player plans on going pro on CSGO
last thicket
lol ^^
pearl stratus
They don't. But the owners of it could buy it.
whole narwhal
Casual gamers and core gamers are extremely different
pearl stratus
lol
jagged crater
how did they differentiate "core" gamers from casuals when measuring average age?
shy pond
What patch is OWL playing on?
pearl stratus
Also honestly the difference between casual and core doesn't matter if the cores not pro.
Then its just someone who spends all their free time gaming. They still gotta get a job like everyone else.
whole narwhal
Doesn’t OVW auto update?
shy pond
so no sombra buffs
pearl stratus
They do not have Mercy Meta, but they do not have new Sombra either.
shy pond
got it
pearl stratus
No, which is why you'll see her being played.
Since this map selection is really good for pre-buff sombra.
whole narwhal
But as far as core gamers vs casuals go, I just define “gamer” as someone who’s really into video games that aren’t mobile games.
If I want to set up a gamer meetup I wanna see people who like Nintendo, FPS, fighting games, etc. I do not want to see people who only play candy crush a lot.
But that’s just me
whole narwhal
Probably not but that’s getting into gray area
Like if they’re a world champion maybe
pearl stratus
Intentionally - since realistically Tetris and Candy Crush are basically cousins once removed. It's just a base strategy game. CC being given more colorful options for appeal.
I'm not disagreeing with you, just providing devils advocate.
And then you can broker even farther into a Hearthstone debate, etc.
whole narwhal
Yeah, and I’m not trying to like shutthag down or anything
Hearthstone players I’d classify as gamers though
Even if Hearthstone sounds stupid to me
I’m pretty sure that audience has gaming as a primary hobby
pearl stratus
Hearthstone is not a game I enjoy. But its a game I respect because conceptually they just took Magic: The Gathering and dumbed it down and sold it to masses.
And it made ridiculous money.
I respect that lol
Blizzard is good about dumbing down games and making money off them though.
whole narwhal
Dumbing things down is an excellent way to attract people to a game. I mean that both in a demeaning way and a matter-of-fact way
ovw itself
pearl stratus
HoTs.
pearl stratus
While the LoL junkies hate HOTS for someone like me its more appealing because I don't want to deal about stupid item builds, or huge laning phases.
I just wanna fight.
So HoTS takes out all the BS (which is most of the "difficulty") and lets me brawl.
whole narwhal
Between noobing at CSGO and doing MGEs on TF2, I go to overwatch if I don’t want to work for my fun
basically
pearl stratus
I have never actually enjoyed CSGO honestly. Something about the player base irks me, moreso than OW.
whole narwhal
I like the players on CSGO. I think what people complain is “toxicity” is just funny and enjoyable to me
So I guess it’s just a perspective thing
pearl stratus
Yep. It's like.. DoTA2 to me. You're playing a game that you find enjoyable, but for some reason the player base finds a weird sense of elitism about it.
And its weird to me.
Also the fact its probably the most exploitable thing on the planet next to old Rainbow Six: Siege drives me away.
whole narwhal
I’m an elitist too though so I’d definitely be a lot more “toxic” if I were any better and knew how to do callouts faster
vestal mortar
I am looking forward to Outlaws vs Philly
pearl stratus
As I get older I'm losing my elitism, which I don't know if its good or bad.
Most of my toxicity now is self focused on what I could do better, and I try to be less vitriolic/quiet to others.
whole narwhal
I’m pretty much immune to “tawksicity”
People telling me to fuck off and go back to casual just means “play better”
Sometimes they even give good advice
“shitter
didn’t use his ult”
vestal mortar
Okay but this is an overwatch esports discussion channel >_>
pearl stratus
It's an esports discussion in general, with a focus on OWL.
whole narwhal
There’s a comp channel
pearl stratus
We've been debating the growth of e-sports in relationship to the games around and the median age of gamers.
This derived from the average aim of gamers increasing, as well as if you focus on a mobile audience
Which lead into a discussion about playerbase.
Also - its interesting to see how fast something like PUBG which everyone harkened as the new great shining beacon of esports
Has relatively disappeared.
whole narwhal
A lot of gamers who have been there since the days of Quake, SM64, Doom also just naturally aged
pubg as an esport
pearl stratus
I mean its still around and still streamed, but the hype around it dropped off so fast.
silk linden
at this point I want two things out of OWL season 1:
- Dallas to make playoffs
- Houston to win the whole thing
anything less would be meh, but I guess it will still have been a fun season
pearl stratus
Also they're getting beaten by fortnite lately, which I think is funny.
Which is another of the "dumbed down" things, but also smartened up because of building.
whole narwhal
Is it more consistent than PUBG?
pearl stratus
So it draws more peoplel.
More consistent and more interactive, realistically.
Because you can quick build etc.
whole narwhal
like gameplay-wise, aka no random drops etc
pearl stratus
A bit more, not entirely more. Crafting and building still exists afaik.
whole narwhal
Would OVW benefit from fixed weapon spread for all guns? Fixed shotgun spread, etc. I heard R6S wanted to implement that but players complained.
Then again. Blizzard would never do it.
silk linden
fixed shotgun spread seems fairly reasonable to me
pearl stratus
I think Blizzard really goes out of the way to make their characters feel unique, and that would start to ruin it.
silk linden
how?
pearl stratus
Because it loses them something else to potentially balance without affecting skills or specifically targeting damage.
whole narwhal
Ex
Tracer would have a fixed spray pattern
Sombra would have a different fixed spray pattern
S76 would have a different fixed spray pattern etc
pearl stratus
It became a useful stat to, for instance, increase Sombra dps without changing her bullet damage.
whole narwhal
It would add a layer of skill
But Blizzard hates “hidden mechanics” and removed the melee-to-reload-faster thing
silk linden
I'm moreso talking about fixed spread pattern on shotguns
the rest i can agree with you
pearl stratus
As much as I hate to bring in realism in a game with something like Roadhog I think they kind of want shotguns to act like shotguns.
While I do agree RNG can be stupid a fixed spray would increase the effective range potential for top caliber players.
Because you'd have a fixed variable that they could account for.
silk linden
true, but you can just balance accordingly
though I guess then you'd fuck over lower ranked players
whole narwhal
Tracer’s guns have a lot of damage falloff iirc
same with reaper and everyone else who’s meant to be close ranged
silk linden
TF2 had the option to toggle/untoggle fixed spread
pearl stratus
11m to 30m, yeah.
whole narwhal
Yeah but in casual servers fixed spread is off by default
silk linden
yep
whole narwhal
It also only affects shotguns, and not SMGs
silk linden
while in pro games it's always on
whole narwhal
Or pistols
silk linden
yeah I'm only talking about shotguns here
pearl stratus
I also don't think Tracer needs to have the capacity for more damage, lol
I do think fixed spread is good in certain mediums though.
But I wouldn't agree with this one.
whole narwhal
I wouldn’t care either way for OVW
But in TF2, R6S, and CSGO I’d definitely prefer fixed weapon spread/spray patterns
limber pine
not to be picky, but it's typically abbreviated "OW"
jagged crater
OVW? though it was a league
silk linden
OwO
whole narwhal
OVRWT
jagged crater
0-4watch
whole narwhal
slim summit
OVV
whole narwhal
superbowl
superb owl
silk linden
vestal mortar
Will Boston win their first map of the stage today or will they get 4-0'd again?
silk linden
...though call
what maps have NY dropped yet?
they did drop 1 to mayhem and 2 to london
my guess is boston can win a koth
silk linden
ark being out has hardly been a factor tbh
like sure it would be better with him, but they're still good
vestal mortar
They lost Volskaya, Gib and Ilios to London.
vestal mortar
And Lijang to Florida
vestal mortar
So yeah, Boston could get koth maybe
silk linden
Pine Outdated
vestal mortar
Big Boss Pine will show up again some day
indigo barn
Unless linkzr shuts him down
Jehong himself said he was worried about going up against Finland’s gift to esports
vestal mortar
Linkzr is gonna shut Pine down....forever? 🐒 s
silk linden
other teams show so much respect to outlaws
indigo barn
That respect will end if philly crushes them today
slim summit
I miss when matches would start a couple hours early on Thursday 😦
silk linden
the only person they don't show respect to yet is Boink, which is a big mistake
silk linden
"oh I caught their lucio on their flank I'll kill him" boink destroys them
vestal mortar
Boink wins DM playing Lucio 👀
silk linden
I can't remember who was it on houston that called boink "his favorite onetrick"
probably muma
vestal mortar
Yeah I believe it was Muma
pearl stratus
Pine is just a place holder anyway.
Gotta suck knowing you're just on the team till Fl0w3r is old enough 😛
I'm waiting to see how long it takes Dallas now to realize that they need Taimou practicing Widow a lot, as well as tanking.
Taimou about to become a Tank Widow Flex.
jagged crater
cant be the only one that thinks there's room for all 4 dps players to mix and match depending on the map
so pine might still see playtime for his mccree/widow on certain koth maps even if flow3r was on the team
for all we know, flow3r could be crazy overrated by the time he actually plays in OWL
but if he's actually so good that he can be consistently better than pine/libero on their flex dpses, then yea he gonna be NYXL's fleta
pearl stratus
With Flower in the roster I'm guessing we'll see a rotation between Flower/SBB/Libero.
But a lot could change meta wise between now and when he's eligible.
So.
magic zinc
He'll only be eligable next season so who knows what will be the case by then
He barely misses the Season 1 cutoff
pearl stratus
He missed by what.. like a month?
vestal mortar
fl0w3r is also known for getting wrist injuries so I think they could always use a backup like Pine.
slim summit
the best players should be playing 🤷
vestal mortar
I think his birthday is a few days to a week after the cut off?
slim summit
imagine if this were the olympics
they'd be training 20 hours a day from 4 years old
nobody got a problem with that
pearl stratus
Yeah its sad because Pine is really good.
But his showing in OWL has not been consistent at all.
His first breakout Ilios was awesome, and I think kind of got him that hype.
But it never got followed up on till his latest Widow excursion.
silk linden
Pine will leave XL by stage 2 of season 2
he's gonna be another rascal
unless things change and teams really start rotating
indigo barn
They won’t need pine when they have flower
silk linden
what teams rotate consistently? dallas, houston, london?
London not even that much as of late
pearl stratus
Houston just NOW started rotating.
silk linden
true
magic zinc
Yeah its like 6 days after cut-off its a shame
indigo barn
Philly never rotates
pearl stratus
They barely have the people to do it.
indigo barn
Stage 2 is eqos time to shine
pearl stratus
SDB hasn't played this stage.
indigo barn
I meant last stage
pearl stratus
It didn't work super well for them to not rotate last stage, either.
indigo barn
I guess not
silk linden
maybe teams were more cautious in stage 1, and now they'll flex a bit more
indigo barn
But like what other dps do hey have
pearl stratus
They'll start rotating once people adjust to their aggression.
pearl stratus
All teams do.
indigo barn
Seoul doesn’t need to do their homework
pearl stratus
Yes they do.
pearl stratus
They finished the last half of Stage 1 like a dumpster on fire full of feces.
They need to do homework.
indigo barn
Except getting destroyed by London situation
Did Houston have linkzr when they went up against seoul? Or was he sick
He was sick fleta food poisoned him
indigo barn
Yeaaaa
In reality though all teams in the league suck major ass
I see no shadder2k anywhere
I see no dafran
I see no kephrii
pearl stratus
You just listed a pile of garbage and proof of why condoms should be mandatory.
indigo barn
Aw come on man
vestal mortar
No moonmoon
pearl stratus
That list is of people you'd never recruit because they drag teams down.
vestal mortar
No Timthetatman
indigo barn
I know I know I’m just kidding
pearl stratus
Kephrii just threw a tournament autolocking a symmetra because he felt petty.
indigo barn
But then explain what seagull is doing here
pearl stratus
For all what, five games he played in?
He still works well on a team despite being an out of practice player.
And he barely plays anymore either way.
magic zinc
Man in light of teams signing specialists why isn't my man Steevoo picked up yet!! 
limber pine
the day symmetra mains get picked up I'll quit forever
indigo barn
No hats when sht will get real
pearl stratus
@magic zinc Why sign a contract for 50k a year when you can get a toilet at home depot for like $150.
vestal mortar
I will hold you to that Sprite! 👀
magic zinc
Sprite gonna pursue a career as caster instead
indigo barn
Fr tho as awesome as shadder2k is he’s cancerous asf
“Ana can u nano me” “mercy can u damage boost me”
magic zinc
Thats not really toxic imo
pearl stratus
Too many twitch kids seem to think someone in SoloQ doing well will translate to a team.
pearl stratus
Kephrii would be a waste of money.
Because someone would murder him within a week.
And his mother would write them a thank you note.
magic zinc
NRG 2.0 poggers
Man I really wanted NRG to succeed :(
The roster with Harb/Seagull that is
vestal mortar
Kelvin and the chipmunks was a great team
magic zinc
I wonder if Calvin is gonna change his mind about OWL anytime soon
about joining that is
vestal mortar
I think Seagull said he thinks Calvin might do it for 1 season
magic zinc
Yeah I wonder if that 'might' is going to change
vestal mortar
Who knows! 😄
limber pine
https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/8181ex/weve_built_the_most_powerful_overwatch_analytics/
This is pretty cool
pearl stratus
Your saying its not an e-sport discussion is not an e-sport discussion.
COUNTER BANNED.
wet oyster
Your saying its not an e-sport discussion is not an e-sport discussion is not an e-sport discussion
COUNTER COUNTER BANNED
tight vault
seoul is op
silk linden
they're reasonably p
indigo barn
not as op as Shanghai dragons
ruby pendant
@indigo barn LOOOL
silk linden
geguri might legit be their best players once she joins
this is a game very dependent on tanks performing after all
indigo barn
roshan is such an op tank
limber pine
how many times did Doa say "Roshan dies first" yesterday?
magic zinc
Probably less than he said he plays Zen
indigo barn
He’s more aggressive than fragi
More aggressive than xqc
So aggressive that he has a 1-9kdr
limber pine
@magic zinc not possible
tight vault
xQc is the worst
limber pine
is that sarcasm or legit?
indigo barn
Muma ain’t sht compared to roshan
limber pine
oh
tight vault
😉
limber pine
icwydt
tight vault
indigo barn
Gesture ain’t sht compared to roshan
tight vault
> 
indigo barn
Fissure ain’t sht compared to roshan
Roshans back is gonna break from carrying his team with suicidal dives
tight vault
if florida wins today i will jump out a window
indigo barn
if Florida wins today I will run out onto the street naked screaming I’m gay
magic zinc
10 bucks says you wont
indigo barn
I have 10 cents
magic zinc
showoff
indigo barn
I saved since I was 5
indigo barn
No one cares
tight vault
20 dollars florida loses today
jagged crater
when is florida using their new players
indigo barn
Who are their new players??
tight vault
they signed a cat
indigo barn
they need Justin bieber
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justin beaver
indigo barn
They need sssniperwolf
tight vault
no
indigo barn
I root for Houston bc Jake is sex
tight vault
jakerat or jake
jagged crater
jakert
tight vault
jake is very sex
supple prism
still only have 41 tokens, they cancel it or something?
wet oyster
no, you just get them slowly
supple prism
havent gotten any in 4 days
slim summit
ah hah
so i wasn't able to get any last weekend
friday-saturday
but i got them through MLG today
yesterday i mean
and i won the 100 token thing so i don't feel quite so bad about missing out on the 50 or whatever tokens
silk linden
I wonder if the legal things preventing blizz from implementing the system in certain countries are just slowing the process or completely halting it
tight vault
just contains the word xQc multiple times
wet oyster
effect is their best
vernal galleon
no love for mickie?
hidden osprey
Mickie is too inconsistent
Last week he was playing excellent, this week he played poorly, some might say it’s because they were against easier teams, but even looking at his S1 performance it was inconsistent
blazing vortex
yea idk what happened
hidden osprey
It’s a shame we didn’t get to see more of his orisa/rein
I love his aggressive play style. Makes for really interesting matches from an observers perspective
jagged crater
really happy for xqc tho, went from not playing entirety of stage 1 from suspension to playing 12 straight maps in stage 2 well
and pretty well too despite minimal scrim time
You can tell xqc really didn't fit well for OWL initially
but he seems a lot happier lately
blazing vortex
Hoping to see more of hin throughout the Stage!!!
jagged crater
vs Seoul was a heart breaking loss from the picture
but Fuel was competitive, had a very close match
They're already looking x2 better than last stage with akm/rascal/xqc
hidden osprey
Yeah, definitely resonated with me in those rare comp matches you get where both teams are balanced
But you lose just by a hairs width, it’s soul crushing
I think he’s been getting help professionally which is showing
He mentioned that he wasn’t just suspended for the comments, but other stuff too like being late for scrims
jagged crater
i mean he couldnt even scrim when he was suspended right?
hidden osprey
He mentioned on stream that he asked if he was needed, but kyky said he’d ask his teammates
So he just said leave it, don’t bother
Kinda makes sense though, you wouldn’t spend valuable time scrimming with someone that can’t play
tight vault
do yall think florida will at least take a map?
tight vault
didn't they take a map off of london
silk linden
they took a map off NY last week
tight vault
close map
silk linden
but I see London in better shape than NY at the moment
imho at the moment London are the team with the most raw quality, but houston are the only team I can see being able to beat any other team
silk linden
shangai is the only team not to be a team
rather, a bunch of people playing together
tight vault
shanghai usually takes like a map
molten skiff
do we know when brigitte will be in OWL?
tight vault
never
silk linden
at best by stage 3
probably stage 4
I can't remember how long heroes stay in ptr usually
she's gotta come to live before the off week though, otherwise it would be really unfair on the players
hidden osprey
4 weeks usually
silk linden
then we might be right with the times
she doesn't seem too buggy or gamebreaking either, nothing that can't be fixed in the coming weeks
tight vault
can we agree new york is defiently making playoffs
silk linden
what I'm concerned about is sombra, they gotta nerf her before stage 3 or oh boy
hidden osprey
silk linden
@tight vault depends on Seoul
Sombra can hack a Pharah in midair and have her fall to her death. How is that fair. Before then you could only pull that off with a flashbang (very close quarters) or a sleep dart (insane skill)
@tight vault do you mean stage playoffs or season playoffs
season playoffs yeah for sure, stage playoffs maybe not, who knows
indigo barn
florida will DESTROY london
silk linden
what's the sitch with florida's pickups anyway? Did they get new people or not?
indigo barn
3-0 2-0 3-0 3-0 florida will show NO Mercy
tight vault
is it possible for shanghai to make playoffs
silk linden
technically yes
silk linden
if they get 0-20 before their new pickups arrive, then I think it might be over
indigo barn
which means they have to 4-0 TEN games just to get to a map diff of ZERO
idk the vibes that shanghai is feeling right now but
jagged crater
flo-rida
indigo barn
i'd rather NOT be in OWL at all rather than be in a team with zerO wins
silk linden
you spin my head right round right round
indigo barn
you make my whistle blow
silk linden
shangai management is so amateurish
indigo barn
shanghai is trying to get out of gold
tight vault
so if the playoffs happened now these teams wouldn't be in the playoffs
Boston: 6W 6L
LA Gladiators: 6W 7L
Dallas Fuel: 5W 8L
San Fransico: 3W 10L
FLORIDA(the best) 1W 11L
Shanghai 0W 13L
florida gon win
silk linden
am I the only one super weirded out when players put on headphones leaving hair between them and their ears? xQc does it all the time
rawkus too i think
tight vault
boston might make playoffs
silk linden
they might
as I said, from now till the end it's a real tossup with Valiant/Uprising/Fuel/Fusion
tight vault
bugt
indigo barn
this does NOT make SENSE??!
tight vault
shanghai is the best
indigo barn
yes
tight vault
yall
indigo barn
squadfam
tight vault
imagine if shanghai to get their first win 4-0 seoul
indigo barn
F**k yeah
tight vault
i feel like shanghai's first win would be like a 3-2 or 3-1
indigo barn
they were close in their match up with valiant
balmy wolf
What is dive
indigo barn
anti-dive is what's gucci
tight vault
bridgette
slim summit
Jake: both the de-facto team captain of the #3 team in the league and the worst player ever according to xQc memers
tight vault
Jakerat or jacer
silk linden
yep
top 2 biggest bummers of stage 2 alongside no Geguri on Kings Row
unless they both make playoffs http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/138/reece.JPG
indigo barn
:)
torpid charm
y'all got predictions for tonight's games?
tight vault
London, Houston, New York
silk linden
london and NY 4-0, houston wins 3-2
indigo barn
shanghai, shanghai, and shanghai
tight vault
houston vs philly is gonna be probs the best match of the night
indigo barn
this just in: houston takes philly's virginity against their will
silk linden
I wish boston weren't in bad shape now, the NY match could have been lit
indigo barn
dont tell me they're gonna get 0-4'ed again
they had such a good map diff. at the end of stage 1
looks like its going down to dallas fuel level
torpid charm
I honestly don't see Philly getting swept like that, but I'm feeling either Houston 3-1 or Philly 3-2
indigo barn
no philly not getting swept tonight
philly might be sweeping houston tonight
and i'm scared
torpid charm
I'm hella scared tonight too
torpid charm
I've been anxious all day (for other reasons) but this game is bothering me a bit too. because Houston is def not a bad team, Philly isn't a bad team either
tight vault
LETS GO FLORIDA
indigo barn
die
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oh
torpid charm
I'm still scared but I wish I wasn't, I have faith in my sweet boys tonight 
indigo barn
may the most sexy bois win
slim summit
ShaDowBurn is my waifu
torpid charm
I'm in love with all of the Philly tank boys because I'm a tank girl
wet oyster
eqo is the noicest of them all
torpid charm
but honestly they gotta protect the fuck outta their supports tonight because that will be the one thing that kills us in this game
Eqo is such a sweet handsome boy
dusk garden
houston better play benchkage
torpid charm
he doesn't talk to all of us too often but he's very nice
dusk garden
and if houston plays benchkage im going to buy a houston skin of the hero he plays the most in that match
torpid charm
who
indigo barn
fragi is free monkey meat i'm sorry
dusk garden
mendo
mendokusaii
hes benchkage
and only if they play him will i buy a houston skin
torpid charm
Fragi has been improving, slowly. Winston isn't his character, it would've been Sado out there but he's suspended
indigo barn
fragi is the make space dude
silk linden
there's no reason to play mendo, he himself admitted it
torpid charm
the good thing is that this map pool gives him the opportunity to play the hero he's best with which is Rein
torpid charm
Muma is a gr8 Winston, I can't hate
silk linden
they would only play him if they started losing games and needed to try new things out, if two of their dps were unavailable, or if they were certain of an end season placement and wanted to try things out
indigo barn
they will call him in if they can't shut down eqo
slim summit
We should bring back hero stacking
torpid charm
:zaryalol:
dusk garden
mendo is a carry
once houston starts playing mendo regularly i will start supporting them
if not
well ill still support them a little
torpid charm
what's the last match of the night?
spring lintel
That’s hot
indigo barn
PG-rated
slim summit
since when is murder PG
marsh pumice
hello all and let's go London we are with you
torpid charm
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