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rocky anchor
that's what an Intel NUC is for 😛
versed crystal
i wish you got specail wepon color
when zarya's beam
if you choose valient skin her beam turns green
versed crystal
yeah
kaive's hanzo tho
that widow headset
10/10
why isn' necros and wraxu in OWL???
slim summit
I don't think they're getting as many bits as they expect
only halfway to the first goal when the 2nd goal starts in 4 days that don't have any streams
scarlet spear
wut
they literally made 200k$ from bits in 4 days
i doubt they wouldve estimated more
slim summit
but based on the benchmarks
scarlet spear
the overall progress seems to be set way too high
i wouldnt doubt they turn down the cost for the next one
slim summit
i expect they will
even then, it will probably be about a week before the first one is met
idle beacon
score?
idle beacon
dude
that song is bad
it's some poor ripoff of trent reznor's awesome music for quake games
bitter mountain
envy is back fuckers
serene tendon
im watching the housotn boston match rn
theres a moment when muma earthshatters like 4 people, and just before jake had tossed a concussion mine right on them
and braindead junkrat like me would have gone
oh boy lottssa people better trigger my mine
but that would have sent everyone flying
bitter mountain
boston is my #2 team
serene tendon
and jake didnt trigger it
idle beacon
@bitter mountain ?
serene tendon
and it just made me realize that jake is genuinely a good junk and im terrible
bitter mountain
Jake is just a meme that has good tracking
idle beacon
@serene tendon jake sucks as rat
good tracking?
rofl
he blows so much as tracer
and his pharah is bad aswell
signal fossil
🎣
idle beacon
nah he has not
bitter mountain
and as junkrat you dont need fucking eff3ct level aim
serene tendon
@idle beacon lol okay bud
green inlet
yeah jake is so bad that he's pro and I'm not
idle beacon
he'd lose any 1vs1 against a plat
idle beacon
lol he does? 😄
long scaffold
versed sinew
short vault
supple prism
40 tokens now
slim summit
😦 I didn't get any in the last two days
I seem to be unfortunately affected by this: https://twitter.com/overwatchleague/status/966494797623001088
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gaunt acorn
lucky
im not getting drops from replays for some reason now
i got them last night
tonight, none
scarlet spear
apparently they were never supposed to give any tokens
sweet hamlet
Yeh
gaunt acorn
so it's disabled now?
shadow parrot
Xqc is a god
dim idol
Does anyone know xQc's discord
dim idol
I got it thank you tho @dray#0001
gaunt acorn
alright
gaunt acorn
@mint sedge not the channel for this
mint sedge
Which 1
delicate mural
next stump
when an spanish retransmision?
spring lintel
XQC is saying that linkzr is carrying outlaws LUL
frail remnant
A lot of times yesterday were saved by Linkzr making a huge play
So i get what he means
onyx shore
it's kinda true though
without linkzr,outlaws can't even beat wounded/low moral seoul dynasty
keen warren
Twitch paid 90 Mil for the broadcasting rights for OWL so they got to make the money back somehow
young sonnet
They've still got a long way to go with $200k 
tall helm
fir esports how many are in a team?
delicate mural
The cheers on Twitch that you pay Twitch money for have always gone to Twitch.
young sonnet
I know that
delicate mural
It's the skins that you buy in game that the funds go to the teams.
young sonnet
I'm sure that when twitch first introduced this they said something about supporting your team in esports
I can vividly remember that in their keynote
delicate mural
Supporting your team and supporting your team financially are two different things.
tall helm
FOR A ESPORTS OVERWATCH TEAM HOW MUCH ARE IN A TEAM
young sonnet
But when you introduce money into it i feel some people would be lead to believe that they are directly supporting their team ¯_(ツ)_/¯
keen warren
OWL rulebook states 6 in match and 6 Subs
@young sonnet Sadly that's how it is with a growing industry
tall helm
@delicate mural yea your right about the supporting bc we just paid for our gears of war team to go to vegas in a month for the gears of war esports and it wasnt cheap so yes its very different
keen warren
Esports still in that wild west ideology of where everything goes til it doesn't
tall helm
we paid for our guys planes and jerseys they already booked there rooms
keen warren
Depends on how you see it, almost all OWL teams are backed by either a Well Respected E-Sports Org or an actual Sports Org with an E Sports division, I mean yeah the money you paid does help them financially but it's not like they're going hungry over it
You have a better chance of supporting them directly if you donate on each players personal streams or what not
tall helm
@keen warren yea most def
keen warren
they're salaried anyway, the more money you give to the team ain't gonna make them fly to LA faster, or more comfortably
tall helm
im a manager of 6th divide so the money we paid was preety interesting
keen warren
Esports org?
delicate mural
They're salaried and that money doesn't come out of thin air.
tall helm
we are sorta a lil of everything
delicate mural
Blizzard started this with a degree of capital.
And hopes to have it sustain itself.
tall helm
we got sniping for cod
keen warren
I hope it does, it's the biggest outside esports investment for a game that just came out two years ago
tall helm
then we got csgo esports , cod esports, gears esports, fornite esports
keen warren
I mean even if people may say OW is a crap Esport, they better wish it doesn't fail spectacularly or else that magic VC money in other Esports like CSGO or DOTA 2 is gonna dry up
delicate mural
They've already picked up some pretty big name sponsors a quarter of the season in.
I can't imagine most teams next year are without a jersey sponsor.
tall helm
@delicate mural we dont have a jersey sponsor yet
but @delicate mural we arnt that big either
delicate mural
Well, you're also not OWL, yeah.
tall helm
true
keen warren
OWL teams prolly already have, I mean I'm sure Spitfire Jerseys are made by the Ones who sponsor C9
delicate mural
They have 150,000 people tuning in for games every night.
keen warren
Same with Outlaws and OptiC
tall helm
ik
tall helm
but im saying in general
keen warren
Ahh I see, so the Adidas and Nike's of the world
delicate mural
No. That's a contractor.
They have their logos on the products because they supply the uniforms.
Just like Spalding has their name on, say, basketballs.
pastel phoenix
I thought OWL had a jersey sponsor, player left should Omen from HP
delicate mural
But Jack in the Box doesn't make Dallas Fuel's jerseys.
keen warren
Okay so not "Jersey" sponsor but sponsors that appear on the Jersey is that what you mean?
Okay yeah got it
sorry was confused
delicate mural
They pay Dallas Fuel money to carry the name.
It's just advertising for that company.
Like NASCAR. Another good example.
keen warren
Yeah, I went for an entirely different line of thinking
delicate mural
Those fucking cars are plastered with logos.
keen warren
You haven't seen the race suits man, god damn
Might as well just make a suit out of the embroidered logos
delicate mural
Yeah, it's not anything like that. It's only an additional revenue stream.
I imagine, say.
Three, four years in.
Dallas will have another two or three corporate logos.
Like other esports leagues do.
I keep saying Dallas, just 'cause they already have a logo.
I think Seoul does, too.
Yep.
A lot smaller and more tasteful, though.
keen warren
Oof that JiB logo front and centre
delicate mural
Than the GIANT JACK IN THE BOX LOGO DEAD CENTER on the Dallas Fuel unis.
keen warren
you know some manager did a great back door deal with that
delicate mural
They probably paid more, yeah.
Seoul's is smaller.
Up in the corner.
We'll get there, though. All these teams will be covered in logos eventually.
delicate mural
Depends on the company who runs the team and how they want to do it. Some will be more ugly or less ugly.
It'd be nice if Blizzard set standards for how and where on the jerseys the logos should be, though.
To prevent stuff like the Jack in the Box one.
scarlet spear
seouls placement is so much better
keen warren
Tbh the JiB was marketing genius, someone there must've watched Esports cuz they know the Facecam is front and centre to capture the chest
scarlet spear
all the teams that are gettings ponsors now have it in the top corner now
delicate mural
Like.
pastel phoenix
Evil Geniuses is sponsored by Xfinity(comcast) and Fusion are owned by Comcast Spectacor (funded by Comcast and NBC)
scarlet spear
just dallas with the annoying jack in the box right in the middle
delicate mural
The way the NBA does it, for example.
You can only have that sponsor logo up in the corner.
Something like that.
keen warren
Yeah most pro sport jersey's have it stanardised left of chest, right of chest, centre
scarlet spear
looks so much better
delicate mural
Whereas, like.
keen warren
Could also get some minor sponsors on the right and left sleeves too
delicate mural
Esports uniforms get to be more like soccer jerseys.
And I like that a lot less.
delicate mural
Yeah. It's Seattle.
keen warren
Tbh, not bad design
delicate mural
But this is pretty standard around the world.
No, it's not. People are also used to corporate logos on association football uniforms at this point.
But, in OWL, if you're gonna have the team city and name on the uniform, you gotta be smarter about sponsor logo placement.
So it's not overpowering the team logo.
keen warren
Honestly at some point Team Logo will just be a tiny crest on the top right much like football
First season I can understand due to having to associate new teams with the players but I;m hoping for more minmalistic design choices next season
sleek zephyr
Valiants BMd shanghai LUL
delicate mural
Which I'm sure is the direction they'll go, you're probably right.
sleek zephyr
Kariv dps
delicate mural
But I don't like it.
sleek zephyr
FeelsBadMan
OWL Jersey £42 + £5 post
- HEFTY £20 fedx bill
£67
keen warren
Same man, I want one to be shipped to Italy, I need that spitfire jersey in my life
sleek zephyr
^ I want spitfire too
keen warren
Like the OWL jerseys are really good, they're all designed properly and lless like Mountain Dew CoD 360 so I can wear it for football and sports and stuff
odd torrent
i hate this new skins bcs in my counbtry you dont get these overwatch tokens for watching esport
so i have to buy tokens to buy skins
silk linden
Knockoff OWL jerseys when
I would have expected Italy to be on the case for that
Gotta browse some Chinese sites
keen warren
@silk linden We're still busy making the fake Assassins Creed TShirts and fake Univeristy Jumpers
silk linden
I want fake OWL shirts being sold alongside serie A shirts outside the stadiums on match day
keen warren
Prolly just design my own shirt somewhere around the Spitfire logo and just get a Print shop to make a Tshirt out of it
prolly cheaper than getting it from LA
odd torrent
but its still fake
keen warren
if I see fake OWL jersey's being sold in Milan that would be the point that Esports is mainstream
silk linden
You don't give money to a capitalist enterprise, it's a win win
Have your nonna crochet you a custom jersey
keen warren
I wish I had a Nonna here, Nah just a filthy foreigner scraping by. Prolly should get one of my friends Family to crochet a shirt
Just like it is with Apple Phones, "Designed in California, Made in Nonna's Living room"
silk linden
The country should supply you with a nonna if you lack one IMHO
So many nonne without nipoti to spoil
keen warren
Comes with Standard Issue Wooden Spoon and random empty Jars
You're assigned one the minute you enter the border,
I need to find some Venture Capital...... or something to do
sweet hamlet
who was that guy houston couldnt sign due to langauge barriers
scarlet spear
never heard of that before
frail remnant
who says she doesn't already know it?
I assume they would have thought of this before signing her
wet oyster
yeah i guess
scarlet spear
afaik she doesnt know chinese yet, but the korean additions are getting chinese lessons, and i imagine being able to play wont be that big of a problem with proper calls
wet oyster
i think it will be kind of an issue actually
i guess maybe not for shanghai bc it seems like they don't even make any calls
silk linden
I think having new pickups learn Chinese is short-sighted, ideally every player in the league should learn English for their own sake
Since all sorts of trades may happen in the future
frail remnant
tbh at this point it makes more sense for shanghai to learn korean than the other way around
they need more korean players if they want to do better
silk linden
I mean it most for the individual players, like say one of them gets traded to another team
btw can anyone explain me the EFFECT/Coolmatt meme
frail remnant
what meme?
grizzled mulch
why more KR players when there's plenty back home
oh wait Shanghai is desperate for any PRs for they pull this fucking bullshit 
frail remnant
Because Korean Players just tend to be better I think
silk linden
they picked up 1 (one) former Miraculous Youngster player
frail remnant
I dont know why but its a noticable trend
silk linden
small steps
frail remnant
Houston are bridging the gaps
silk linden
koreans have good work ethic, they maintain their calm when things go astray and try to improvise strategies, and also take the technical skill aspect of the game for granted and just focus on tactics
it's arguably why OW is the first fps to really get big there, all other fps are just "click on heads" simulators to people who are willing to master the skills
frail remnant
a really good point
silk linden
Even jake said it, people like to praise highly skilled technical plays, but at that level everyone can pull those off, it's not just a Korean thing
frail remnant
its nice to see xQc sporting a more mature attitude
deft valley
some people "have no fuckups left" yet still continue to fuck up
mint lodge
Is it just me or has the broadcast's role balance slipped badly back to being Tracerwatch: The 2658th Dragonblade Edition ?
silk linden
first person Reinhardt view or bust
deft valley
was it ever anything but that?
at least now we have replays for when something interesting happens elsewhere
mint lodge
I feel like early Stage 1 had a less monotone balance
spring lintel
He is making fun of people’s accent
He is talking about soe
I doubt he is getting mature
He is still toxic to his teammates
“You are all trash”
XQC is still the one and only
@frail remnant
frail remnant
Lets see videos/logs?
spring lintel
I just watch him a lot
He is making some french accent to make fun of unkoe
Honestly hilarious
About soe, i agree she is hot.
About his trash teammates, i dunno.
vestal mortar
🐒 s
torpid charm
yes, break his wrists pls
silk linden
is he toxic to his teammates on ladder or on Fuel?
I can't honestly care less about the former
torpid charm
I know on the ladder he's toxic, not sure about how he is with Fuel
slim summit
@silk linden https://clips.twitch.tv/JollyShinyPepperoniSaltBae
slim summit
lol
especially after some recent pickups
it seems like sometimes teams themselves - or their starting roster - have a bigger skill differential than exists between teams
not as a hard rule or anything
but Philly, Shanghai, and Fuel stand out
sweet hamlet
I think Philly is top 5 this season
silk linden
probably, though we can't know for sure yet
sweet hamlet
Seoul is gonna be better this stage
because they dont have to run Mercy
So jehong and tobi can go the healers they are best at
silk linden
for stage 2 I see Houston, London and NY definitely in top 6, very likely seoul and Philly, and probably one of Valiant, Dallas and Boston
silk linden
still, it's very open, much more than stage 1
silk linden
I can see Houston topping stage 2 tbh
silk linden
nah, that's old news. Jake's a Tracer main now
slim summit
I thought Boston was ascending but they're losing hard against teams they were beating just a couple weeks ago
Maybe people are just taking them more seriously
silk linden
@sweet hamlet profit, birdring, saebyeolbe, fleta, pine, you pick
sweet hamlet
thats a good list
silk linden
it's honestly any one of them
sweet hamlet
i would probs put profit birdring and fleta at the top tho
silk linden
unfair to rank them further
slim summit
Pine has moments where he gets 4 kills with 4 shots
then entire series where he's being outplayed by Birdring
sweet hamlet
yeh
slim summit
That's true of Birdring too, though
picking McCree and accomplishing absolutely nothing on Oasis
sweet hamlet
Fleta is really consistent usually
silk linden
you could probably pin down the best player for each hero, though that changes throughout the season too
arctic veldt
EQO or shadowburn?
upbeat raptor
Really liking this stage! Since the mercy nerf you see a lot more diversity in which heroes are getting picked. Do you guys think Houston will have a good chance to grab this stage?
silk linden
yep
the diversity is limited to the one dps role and the support roles mostly tbh
except for Kings Row, which is the best map in the game and sees more varied comps
young sonnet
We'll see where houston are this week when they play NY
gentle jackal
young sonnet
brisk roost
💀
wet oyster
the real question: who will win seoul vs dallas
and will shanghai finally be able to squeeze out a win vs the glads
young sonnet
I think the only win shanghai will get is against mayhem and vice versa
spring lintel
XQC is gonna lose it before the season ends
wet oyster
idk when dragons vs mayhem is happening again
i think shanghai has a chance vs. shock on saturday
unless i missed one, shanghai vs florida isnt happening again until stage 3 week 3
wow the dragons have a tough stage 4
dallas, valiant, fusion, nyxl, seoul, houston
then it gets easier though
young sonnet
oof
silk linden
yeah but by then they'll have the new players
inb4 Geguri becomes the best in the league
young sonnet
What's with week 4 and 5 earlier starting times? 🤔
silk linden
wet oyster
as an east-coastian, i'm glad about earlier start times
silk linden
Sky, Geguri, Fearless, Ado
lucid skiff
The dragons did so good against the valiant tho
silk linden
@wet oyster as a european, I could frankly care less about your feelings on the start times 
wet oyster
that's fair
young sonnet
At least i can watch 1 or 2 maps before going to bed 
wet oyster
OOF
young sonnet
2AM? FeelsBad for eastern euros
lucid skiff
Houston or NY winning?
wet oyster
NY
lucid skiff
personally i have houston winning 3-2
NY always loses under pressure like against london
fresh turret
I'm rooting for 3-2 Houston but 3-1 NY is more likely imo
tho that spitfire set was
ooh it was so good
faint mauve
Feels fucking bad being a shock fan right now
delicate mural
Feels great being a Houston fan.
In general.
Across the board.
Other than hurricanes. Those are a real downer.
brisk roost
I live in Canada and Outlaws are my favorite team lol
silk linden
the teams have nothing to do with the cities except seoul anyway
silk linden
shangai not anymore in stage 3
brisk roost
I know but still
silk linden
sure
brisk roost
Plus it's just 2 Koreans will be added there and while the rest are still on their home team lel
silk linden
3 koreans
delicate mural
"THe TEaMs HAvE noTHiNg tO DO wiTH tHe CItIEs ANyWaY..."
deft valley
what a thoughtful argument
silk linden
it was in response to his "I'm canadian but", so it was actually a fair argument
but you do you
wintry kraken
the games even through week needs to start at 11AM local time in California
that is like 8PM in Europe
but they won't do that 😦
silk linden
it's because of korea and china
they can only have good times for two out of NA. EU and Asia
and they decided to drop EU
fresh pendant
shangai all the way
frail remnant
we wish
silk linden
jake is doing vod reviews, good shit
silk linden
seriously he's giving such good insight
like, one fight they lose, he says "that was such a good fight for us, they used 4 ults and we used none"
or he also confirmed the thing from that reddit post where he didn't det the mine so he wouldn't throw away the people caught in the earthshatter
if anything it shows just how many things the casters miss. Can't blame them, it's hard, but they do seem to focus on what's flashier rather than on what really influences the game
slim summit
I just want for there ults eaten by matrix to be in a killfeed for them or something
so every time Tracer ults they aren't like "Was that eaten? Was that eaten, I think it was eaten, yup, that was probably eaten"
silk linden
that's actually a good point
they already have a system in place to detect eaten ults after all, with the Dva voice lines
although you'd have do differentiate between ults that can be eaten whole and partially
slim summit
ah, true
silk linden
how many ults can be eaten whole, like 3?
slim summit
Pulse, Blizzard, Grav ...
limber pine
dragons
slim summit
ah yeah Hanzo
silk linden
true
silk linden
would be a bit excessive to have those appear in the killfeed
since you can eat them partially
so wouldn't make sense to highlight a 1% eaten Whole Hog, just like it wouldn't make sense to not highlight a rocket barrage if you ate all of it but 1 single rocket
at that point how do you decide how to discriminate
sullen berry
Like they've done to make D.va's mechanics work in-game, kill feed should be remade from scratch to trigger at a certain point of damage absorbed or when the ult has ended
silk linden
killfeed needs to show unequivocally useful info
a rez, a kill, a destroyed mech, those are absolute
a partially eaten ult? Could mean anything
you need to be able to peek at killfeed and get immediately useful info, there can't be any leeway
"fyi a dva just ate 80% of a death blossom" cool that remaining 20% can still kill me
while "fyi reaper is dead" is a whole different info
you know what would work? Making the Dva response line louder
so you as her teammate her she's eating the ult and adjust accordingly
sullen berry
Louder than sombra uncloaking hehe
silk linden
that used to be even louder...
sullen berry
It's tamer but I haven't noticed when the transition was made
silk linden
shoutout to uncloking being louder than "personne n'echape mon regarde"
silk linden
there are open tournaments you can join
forest raven
First of all are you at least a top 500 player?
runic geyser
not even sure where i find out at
gaunt acorn
gaunt acorn
right-clicking the competitive mode button
if you're top500 you have a glowing blue rank icon
runic geyser
not yet but i should have it on pc there are so many trolls that screw up the comp season though
by throwing
matches all the time
gaunt acorn
what rank are you
idle beacon
eh
nomore free tokens?
that site has been shut down? 😦
damn it
missed to sign up
F*CK
any other way to get a free skin?
without conencting twitch acc to bnet ?
gaunt acorn
so then just sign-in to the overwatchleague website?
idle beacon
need to check later
gaunt acorn
you can just watch through overwatchleague.com with a signed-in bnet account
zinc tinsel
So Dallas going to make come back or nah
Well OWL.com takes much more internet
Than twitch
But also looks much nicer
delicate mural
Nah.
Hey @idle beacon, Houston beat those two teams you said they couldn't again.
frail remnant
I feel Seoul’s coming back for 1st place soon
I don’t think London, NYXL or Houston will beat them
gaunt acorn
i'd like to see them do it
slim summit
They're slated for some pretty easy teams ...
After beating Valiant, they got Shock, then are lined up for Fuel, Glads, Shanghai
Then Fusion
slim summit
then into week 4 it's NYXL and London, then week 5 is Outlaws and Mayhem
They're well lined up for a similar trajectory to last season 😛
Win the early, easier matches, lose the matches late in the stage
cold plover
Kinda hoping fir florida to make a comeback seeing as sayaplayer is on thier team
torpid charm
sad because Fusion finna struggle for these next two weeks 
silk linden
the thing is, it's a league, some teams have got to lose games. That being said, I can see things being less one sided than in stage 1
cold plover
Fusion has got some insane dps tho tbh
silk linden
all teams do
left fog
it's tanks that matter
silk linden
dps are hardly the most important factor in a team's success
left fog
in the league
silk linden
coordinated play most of all, but as far as individual play goes, yeah definitely the tanks
still, skill wise, the margin is pretty close throughout the league
left fog
mechanical skill, most pros agree its close
but team cohesion differs massively
weird to think Misfits struggle so much
same with Fuel in stage 1
silk linden
well, they struggle because the other teams are more well coordinated than them
torpid charm
Houston's tanks do what they're supposed to very well, so it's the tank play that's gonna determine how it goes between Houston & Philly
magic zinc
FCTFCTN is a great pick-up for them too I think, how close are they to running internal scrims?
silk linden
don't they have only 3 supports
magic zinc
Yeah all they're missing is 1 support and then they can do internal stuff
silk linden
I'm all for teams picking up full rosters, but tbh if it's just for internal scrims, a coach filling in can do just fine
magic zinc
I like it because it keeps everyone involved
silk linden
btw I wonder if transfered players provide intel
magic zinc
Numlocked for example doesn't even scrim anymore whereas if Valiant had 12 members he probably would
silk linden
I'm curious about glad and fuel facing spitfire now
I can't wait for the league to expand, so that many of these players might get a chance
as it is the league is too small for the pool of talent out there
granted, the biggest teams will remain the same ones
magic zinc
Would help if there was an active T2 scene bar Contenders
Open Contenders for some regions have been scheduled during working hours
Stuff like that doesnt help
silk linden
many of these players aren't even T2 though
grimreality, mendo, iddqd
like can you imagine if shadowburn becomes a bench player now
torpid charm
that's the main thing that everyone keeps talking about
I think Eqo just fits the Fusion play style better atm
silk linden
tbh I don't think it's gonna happen, they can just alternate between them given the map and the opponent
it just gives them depth
torpid charm
it'll be the same wjen Snillo comes into play. Fusion has 12 players so that's 2 teams and they can switch it up however they like
silk linden
tbh that's what they said about London, and the two of their players ended up leaving for lack of playtime
I can't say which team has figured out how to handle a 12 men roster the best tbh
torpid charm
you right. Joemeister still hasn't seen the light of the stage yet, Dayfly has been put in twice? can't exactly remember. but they're very persistent on keeping that core 6 besides Eqo in for SDB right now
silk linden
some teams just look at their bench as exactly that, a bench
subs are just for when starters get sick
I'm not sure I agree with that approach
torpid charm
true, it's also that we've got 2 Lucio mains so I guess they don't really see a point in switching up Neptuno with Joe.
I'm not too fond of it either
vestal mortar
Joe is the best 😭 i want to see him play
silk linden
You could pick the least played player out of each team and make up a roster that would be better than shangai and maybe even mayhem
actually yeah no duh they would have 1 player from each team in the top 6
what about a team consisting of the 12 least played players overall
lemme check winstonslab
cold plover
Dont see where my comment said that dps were more important than tanks
Kinda worried abt what happens to fuel's dps tho
silk linden
you said fusion have insane dps. Imho every team has insane dps
cold plover
never said that they were more important than tanks was my point
Anyway like i said i know taimou is going tank but its seagull who im worried for
silk linden
it's what he's supposed to do for Fuel, learn the one role the team needs
he said he knew he was gonna be a bench player when they picked him up, that his role is 80% to stay on the bench
cold plover
Bruh the feels
Ik gull isnt the best flex player but still
Moving on, what do you reckon whoru and flow3r's impact will be in the league when theyre able to play?
silk linden
it's more like, he's versatile and hard working enough to become acceptably good at any hero they ask him, given the time
cold plover
NYXL might be the more dominant team when that happens imo
silk linden
he straight up said it: "they tell me what hero to learn/practice, I do it and become an asset they can use"
cold plover
I s'pose but him being benched is a waste of talent, especially cuz he's being benched for so long. I guess it's okay for him because he gets paid for it but still.
silk linden
XL have already arguably the best dps lineup in the game, I doubt adding another insane dps will change things massively
if anything, they might end up trading away Libero or Pine, which might be interesting
cold plover
Yes but flow3r and sbb have huge chemistry together
They are probably a better dps duo than the one nyxl currently has
silk linden
I don't think it's a waste of talent, Seagull thinks is talent is versatility and ejoys being used as a jack of all trade
cold plover
I think theyd trade libero over pine considering pine is a very good specialist player
silk linden
I think he would mind more if he were forced to play the same hero forever
cold plover
I mean him being benched for almost the entirety of bot stages is a waste
silk linden
libero is the best jack of all trades of all though
cold plover
Not him actually flexing
delicate mural
Best Jack in the Box.
silk linden
JACKINTEHBOX
cold plover
I think flow3r might be better in this case than libero
Simply because he has had tons of experience with sbb
delicate mural
@silk linden Why is your profile picture performing fellatio?
cold plover
Iirc libero wasnt in flow3r and sbb's apex team
silk linden
anyway yeah, from a technical standpoint I can see Libero being traded, but I can see Pine not being happy with being benched more often once Flow3r comes
cold plover
Pine's a specialist and flow3r is the flex. Meaning that they can always swap sbb for pine when they need to
Seeing as pine is good with widow and mccree flow3r can fill in
silk linden
Yeah I agree, from XL's standpoint it's better to have them both. I was just thinking from Pine's point of view
cold plover
As in, he is better at one or two heroes than sbb and flow3r but they have a deeper pool
Yeah yeah
onyx shore
i wonder if dallas fuel gonna bring another off tank
hitscan dps : taimou,akm,effect
projectile dps : seagull,rascal
Main Tank : cocco,xqc
offtank : mickie
Support : custa,harry,chips
2 players away from full 12 rosters,right?
frail remnant
They are probably a better dps duo than the one nyxl currently has ```that ^^^
isnt taimou main/off tank now?
or was that just temporary
frail remnant
And he is known to play road
frail remnant
lol
onyx shore
well,he's probably better with streaming
but
he carried fuel on stage 1
his junkrat plays were awesome
silk linden
This stage Seagull is an off tank and Taimou a main tank
Idk about future stages/seasons if they want to pick up someone else
onyx shore
i dont think there's a reason to play taimou as main tank if xqc and cocco are alvailable
cold plover
Did u see taimous roadhog dude
silk linden
Taimou is arguably better than cocco for the team. As for xQc, you just gotta hope he doesn't go full retarded, otherwise he's one of the best main tanks in the league
We'll see how he behaves this stage
cold plover
Taimou is better than cocco imo
onyx shore
on main tank? i dont think so
silk linden
He's a shot caller
onyx shore
well yes cocco is bad on winston
magic zinc
I think Cocco is the better tank but Taimou shotcalls which is arguably more helpful
silk linden
When Taimou isn't playing you have Custa calling shots, when Custa isn't playing you have the Stage 1 shitshow
onyx shore
their stage 1 problems were so obvious
silk linden
Unless they start trusting xQc with shotcalling
onyx shore
no good winston player
forced to put chips on mercy
mickie didnt peel for his backline
silk linden
Funnily Harry has looked pretty solid on Mercy in stage 2
I think he played mercy more than Lucio? Or about as much
Granted, Shanghai is a team you experiment against
onyx shore
stage 1 was mercy-zen support
when you put chips on mercy
harryhook was forced to play zen
which chips is better at
torpid charm
xQc is a good tank, I just wish he didn't act like such an ass all the time
silk linden
Yeah, couldn't they have just swapped them
onyx shore
if hulk is still alive (feelsbadman) they can put mercy on hulk,and have chips playing zen
silk linden
Hulk wasnt playing anymore anyway
cold plover
Rip hulk dude
limber pine
scarlet spear
uuuh interestin
torpid charm
wooooow
scarlet spear
so they have a 12 man roster aswell now
torpid charm
interesting to see how this will play out
limber pine
running around permanently boosting Fleta
torpid charm
how many teams are there with a 12 man roster? two now right?
limber pine
but phily is down two with Snillo U-18 and Sado suspended
and shanghai down their adds with visa stuff
torpid charm
yes yes
limber pine
yeah phily's only gonna get better as the season goes on
torpid charm
no doubt, they've gotta keep their map differential positive for this stage
torpid charm
yeah they're close
silk linden
what's insane is, XL only have 8 + Flow3r
best team in the league -> has a tank playing Lucio
torpid charm
what's up with Shock and they're players? I know sinatraa isn't old enough but what about iddqd and super
torpid charm
wow, sad
red anvil
Maybe wait with announcements to it's official? @limber pine
i dont see any official references there
silk linden
Fusion have 10 players + 1 underage, but they also still have Sado, who is suspended?
Dunno what's up with that now
torpid charm
yes, Sado is suspended till Stage 4
silk linden
like, they picked him up while he was already suspended or something
torpid charm
nah
scarlet spear
he got suspended after
silk linden
I wonder if they want to stick with him
torpid charm
he got suspended after
scarlet spear
hes a known booster in korea
silk linden
yeah I know
limber pine
no backies
silk linden
to me it looked like a pickup just in case, to fill up the spots
torpid charm
he's a better Winston than Fragi so I feel like they'll keep him, but Winston isn't Fragi's main thing anyways
silk linden
Fragi isn't a coward
Shock should throw Super and Sinatraa a joint birthday party
actually their birthdays are 10 days apart, can't remember who were the players who shared birthdays
who are the other notable uneligible players aside from the two of them and Flow3r?
cold plover
Ooh Gambler!
silk linden
Liquidpedia lists HarryHook as Fuel's team captain. TIL.
I mean, are captains like a determined role at all
limber pine
like, voted upon?
silk linden
Fuel is the only team with one listed, as far as I can see
In sports the captain is a determined role, it's the spokeperson for the team
doesn't necessarily mean they have a leading role within the team
oh, it was Space from LA Valiant who had the same birthday as Super, March 28th 2000
delicate mural
delicate mural
Is it really that important?
silk linden
just a pet peeve
delicate mural
You're gonna need to have a word with most people who make graphs for anything, then.
Or... cheer for Shanghai.
The bluest of the blue.
cold plover
RJH is seouls captain iirc
T was in their roster vid iirc
Also just checked out gambler looks like another support
Seems like he plays mercy the most so im not sure whether his pick will be viable
silk linden
I mean, there is such a thing as better ways to display data elegantly and clearly. I personally don't think that red = good is the most intuitive choice
hidden vault
Why didn't seoul sign gambler earlier?
silk linden
but that's just me
silk linden
the koreans have weird names. It's often just random english words
delicate mural
Red is usually used to stand in for higher values or higher intensity.
cold plover
Prolly thought rjh and tobi were more important picks
delicate mural
Likely because of its relation to heat.
cold plover
Looking at it long distance
delicate mural
Blue the same, in the opposite direction.
cold plover
I know about the name thing as well lol
cold plover
Im korean i see this stuff a lot
silk linden
it's straight up a good/bad map
delicate mural
These sound like rather personal definitions for colors, if we're being fair.
silk linden
nah, there are cultural and societal canons
delicate mural
It's also really silly that a chart for how the teams are doing gets posted.
And you'd rather talk about crayons.
silk linden
delicate mural
Look at any traffic map or census map.
That use green or blue to red.
More volume or higher values often get represented with red.
Higher concentrations, red.
Weather maps, the same.
stuck jewel
xQc's recent reinhardt gameplay against the LA Gladiators was pretty godly
The dude outplayed Fissure so hard
torpid charm
it was hella nice I won't lie
silk linden
he did, though there was good coordination overall from Dallas, while poor fissure just arrived in a new team coming from one where everyone was korean
stuck jewel
Yeah, like Rascal on the Junkrat
silk linden
like, all the highlights of xQc's game involved other people in their team coordinating very well with him
stuck jewel
Basically a better version of Jake xd
silk linden
particularly the big one at the end of KR
cold plover
JAKE IS MAD
stuck jewel
BECAUSE
cold plover
BECAUSE HE IS BAD
silk linden
I liked Jake's vod review yesterday, he points out lots of things the casual viewer (and the casters) might have missed, brings you the right perspective
limber pine
@silk linden what match did Jake review?
silk linden
v boston and v london
limber pine
interesting, i'll have to catch those
silk linden
limber pine
thx
copper solstice
I will take it as Jake is the top strategic player in owl, like as in he knows the game so well that he outplays a lot of players. Note I don’t watch every esports in overwatch just some times owl.
torpid charm
I gotta watch Glad vs. Shock
cold plover
Jake prides himself in playing smart
So no surprise he is analysing and thinking the most
copper solstice
Ah,
silk linden
is EQO an acronym or an initliasims? Is it E.Q.O. or "echo"?
torpid charm
in the Fusion discord we were saying it like "Echo" because he never corrected us, we were hella shocked when he played to find out it was E-Q-O
silk linden
the casters call him that, I assume that's right
copper solstice
Oooh you mean the guy EQO
limber pine
Soe made a big deal during the first match that it was EQO and not Echo
silk linden
I see
yeah she's probably the one with the most insight on this type of stuff
given that she actually talks to the players
limber pine
yeah
plus the desk knew the staring lineup well before hand
so they had time to figure it out
silk linden
I like when she's on panels, you get the other guys saying all types of stuff and making predictions, and then she says "no actually this is how things are" and she's usually right
can't argue with someone who has more facts than you
copper solstice
The one girl?
silk linden
yes her. She goes in the backstage to interview players and relays it to the panel
copper solstice
I don’t know any of the overwatch casters at all
silk linden
you get to know them after a while if you keep watching
copper solstice
The only one who is on the desk I know, is goldenboy
silk linden
I didn't know anyone of them before OW came out
magic zinc
I still dont reaaaally know the desk ones tbh
copper solstice
Goldenboy is a caster / host / desk guy for about EVERY game
keen warren
Literally every game
Dude's been round the block
Don't there's anyone who's been involved in almost every Esport Scene like him
copper solstice
Well atleast every major esports game
keen warren
Talent line up for OWL is pretty good , lots of industry veterans mixed in with new faces
copper solstice
My favorite caster who I don’t know his name is the guy with the tiny glasses
torn jetty
I like the one who plays zenyatta
silk linden
Doa is a lad
keen warren
Tiny glasses? You mean semmler?
magic zinc
Does he play Zen? Woah he never mentions that
silk linden
him and Monte make a good team
torn jetty
yeah I dunno it's a little known fact
silk linden
though I think the best one is Uber, as far as proper casting goes
keen warren
Yeah semmler has to get a couple more games under his belt, and a bit more rapport.
Uber is just uber, dude's got mor enthusiasm in one sentence than a caster has in an entire game
silk linden
Like, I like it when casters hype you up and make situatinal jokes, but I would also love more technical casters who point out what the casual viewer might miss
torn jetty
I hope it keeps being so diverse as far as a characters go
keen warren
Gotta give it more time, then the talent will figure out if their gonna be Play by Play or more Analytical Casters
Happened in CSGO, most likely to happen in OWL
magic zinc
This is probably the best map pool for tanks and we're not seeing them as much as I'd like tbh
keen warren
Is there any room for a different meta besides Dive?
magic zinc
Quad/Triple Tank ft. Moira
silk linden
sure, if you find a meta that fits better
torn jetty
saturday I saw quite a few ana teams that worked pretty well
silk linden
I think the term "meta" is too restricitve anyway, comps can be more flexible than that
keen warren
Well meta evolves as the game ages, and for a 2 year old game I guess Meta is pretty young in the scope of things
copper solstice
My second favorite caster is like crumbz
scarlet spear
hes an analyst
copper solstice
SHHH
scarlet spear
kings row is the best map so far, loved the hanzo play from linkzr we saw there
copper solstice
your ruining it
torn jetty
then the last minute swap to widow and mei
scarlet spear
torn jetty
it was amazing
copper solstice
I don’t know the names I’m looking it up
keen warren
It's given the best games so far
torn jetty
if tank meta comes back then mei comes back \o/
keen warren
And one of the few maps where Rein seems to be a good pick
I wish Reaper becomes relevant in any sort of team comp
keen warren
Edgeboi cleaning up
torn jetty
they should probably pay him more than 6.50 maybe he would show up more
reaper used to be a staple DPS in older overwatch
kinda disappeared mostly for a while
copper solstice
My favorite by far has to be mccree who I nicknamed ringo
frail remnant
did anyone else see when tviq reflected that rocket into libero
I dont know if it was recent or a while ago, but it was amazing
scarlet spear
magic zinc
vast idol
is he dps
scarlet spear
support
vast idol
they need a decent dps other than fleta then they will be on top
scarlet spear
bunny has been performing good
silk linden
is there a deadline for the signing period?
silk linden
so they can sign any player during stage 2 and filed him the day after?
mighty solar
@zealous thistle he's a support main, i think he was mercy / lucio player for lw blue
zealous thistle
ah good good
Dynasty becomes dependant on jehong. whenever he's not playing they seem to lost their play style
frail remnant
Tobi now
His Lucio plays are just insane
In this current meta they are most definitely, in my opinion, the team with the strongest support role.
wet oyster
oh yeah easily
frail remnant
Ryujehong.. and Tobi on Lucio? I mean how can anyone even get close to beating that
As long as Miro and Fleta get a good season I think they'll win stage 2
scarlet spear
ark & jjonak? would put them similar tbh
frail remnant
Nah man
pearl stratus
I really think RHJ is prepping to retire to coach.
pearl stratus
I just do.
frail remnant
Isn't he the oldest in the League?
scarlet spear
ark isnt as good as tobi and RJH isnt as good as JJonak imo... but we'll see
pearl stratus
RJH isn't as good as Zen as Jjonak, and Jjonak isn't as good on Ana.
That's how I'd word that.
frail remnant
idk i've seen rjh stand up to the likes of jjonak on zen
pearl stratus
And yeah RHJ is... 29?
@frail remnant I won't disagree, but thats him at peak versus where Jjonak sits all the time.
frail remnant
Tbh I think hagopeun and bdosin are pretty equal zens to jjonak aswell.
scarlet spear
hes 26
pearl stratus
I thought he was way older than that.
Nope. Sept 5 1991.
Huh
He just looks like the older mature brother person on the team, guess I placed him as such.
Bdosin and Hago are both good Zenyattas.
But there's a difference between good and great. Like GM and T500. You're both GM, but ones just a little bit more GM.
None of the Zens in the league are -horrible- though minus Freefeed.
It's just the consistency of the clutch plays. I'm more shocked when Sleepy snipes someone than I am when Jjonak or RHJ does it.
zealous thistle
freefeed is more like freekill
his games against LAV is just so painful to watch
pearl stratus
As sad as it is, I feel really bad for him too.
Because he and MG have to know how much they drag the team down.
There's no way not to.
zealous thistle
i'm no pro and only a zen main gold player, but looking at how he plays makes me get stressed out
pearl stratus
And for younger guys who just wanted to play OW and probably had no say in the shenanigans that went on with the nepotism of choosing that team.
It's got to suuuuuuuuuuck.
Like I'm not good enough for OWL.
But if someone from Boston Uprising ( since I live here) was like "HEY. WE'RE SIGNING YOU FOR ZEN. WANT 60K A YEAR FOR OW?"
I'd sign up.
zealous thistle
srsly tho. in Hanamura 2nd point, close to end of match. SHD was winning and there's no need for him to pop his ult
and all of a sudden just right out of spawn
"EXPERIENCE TRANQUILITY"
pearl stratus
He panic ults so much.
zealous thistle
i was like "wat? what is he doing?"
pearl stratus
My favorite was Custa during the Dallas game two weeks ago.
Second point of Route 66. Sitting up on the ledge.
No one in sight.
zealous thistle
and then they tried another round they went on attack. HE WAS ON TOP OF THE BUILDING ON POINT A
pearl stratus
Accidently experiences tranquility.
zealous thistle
and the rest of the team is trying to fight on the garden to get inside the point
pearl stratus
Yeah I'm ignoring Shanghai till the new people are here. It's too painful.
Hopefully two more weeks.
Probably longer though
zealous thistle
but Fiveking made some promising plays
it's just about time he needs to get settled
zealous thistle
agree
pearl stratus
So that'll be a huge addition.
zealous thistle
altering can be good, but he lost his composure easy
pearl stratus
Sky is old MY.
silk linden
what are the members of SD who are basically T2?
pearl stratus
Wait, meaning what Veex?
silk linden
people say Dragons picked up players who aren't OWL caliber
zealous thistle
^^
pearl stratus
Oh, it was part of the team that the coach had prior to OWL.
zealous thistle
i'd say that
pearl stratus
MG and Freefeel are the two biggest ones.
silk linden
which ones of their original comp are OWL caliber and which aren't?
scarlet spear
MG is feeding so hard
zealous thistle
it seems MG and Freefeel is just there to fulfill the requirements to play OWL