I'm not here for them to make constant jokes, so i'm fine with how they are. I don't imagine football fans watch it for jokes either
#esports-discussion
night notch
I wish they'd joke not at all, though. I'm saying when they do it's so bad it's distracting.
But compared to an NFL announcer, like Ara says, they don't have much insight. They just call what they see, there's not much speculation
worn falcon
fissure is teaching? 🤔
limpid estuary
The emotes are for twitch
fiery reef
What do you mean by not much insight.. what details are they leaving out?
limpid estuary
But there are skins for in game
fiery reef
thats what I wanna know ... I prefer the overwatch leagues layout
so I don't use twitch
worn falcon
wait home skins are through cheers and bits?
night notch
Saying what a team could do to turn things around, what picks they need to make to counter something. They comment on that kind of stuff after it happens. They're great at saying why somebody made a change, but they don't call what a team should do before they do it.
dire warren
There is a Tracer home skin that will unlock if you are one of the bit cheers in the push to 40,000,000 bits.
limpid estuary
White, with OWL orange
fiery reef
but they do provide that insight from time to time.
limpid estuary
If you cheer 100 bits, you are elligible to get it
But it has to be unlocked
By 40,000,000 bits cheered
By everyone
fiery reef
So you have to cheer to get skins ... and on top that cheers cost money right?
limpid estuary
It looks that way
dire warren
exactly
dire warren
it won't unlock right away only till the goal is reached
limpid estuary
Which is $1 per skin
fiery reef
Hah, yeah no thanks, Like blizzard is going to convince me to to increase my 40$ monthly subscription to 41.40$
fiery reef
#FeelsLootboxMan
dire warren
I bought $7 worth, but only cheered 150 bits for the Gladiator emote. I'll give the rest to Surefour when he streams next time.
limpid estuary
Theres gonna be 4 skins though, according to Twitch.
limpid estuary
One for every week of this stage
fiery reef
I want them for collections sake ... but they are recolors of base skins ... probably gonna pass
limpid estuary
I think thats why. I personally like epics best
But they are also the easiest to pass on
fiery reef
Also not a fan of this idea.. "hey its cool you are watching, but maybe you should pay us while you watch, that would be fun!"
limpid estuary
Especially since theres now 13 more for every hero, thanks to OWL
night notch
They're definitely mimicing the greedy aspect of prosports. And to be fair, they make very little ad money for this compared to traditional sports.
Until they have actual ad breaks between matches, just mentioning the brands doesn't make them as much.
limpid estuary
Normal sports streams get income with commercials
cold plover
also
limpid estuary
OWL doesnt exactly have that
cold plover
you can get 5 free bits
fiery reef
"no footage of these games may be used without the express written consent of the NF.. I mean Overwatch league."
cold plover
if you see an ad
fiery reef
Uh ...but they kind of do have ads
verbal roost
ads on jerseys
limpid estuary
They dont have commercials every 7 minutes.
worn falcon
^
cold plover
LMAO
limpid estuary
Like they do if youre watching the Olympics or FIFA or NHL.
dire warren
C9 LUL
red canyon
LMAOOOOOO
polar pier
c9
worn falcon
@limpid estuary btw is there's a word about the stats tab in OWL site?
cold plover
SAN LUL FRAN
night notch
More games tonight?
limpid estuary
Which is weird
gaunt acorn
C9 C9 C9
cold plover
EZ C9
worn falcon
welp
limpid estuary
Guess Im stuck relying on external sources like Winstons Lab
cold plover
LMAO SANFRAN GOT 4:0D
night notch
Aw shit
fiery reef
Smite has "season tickets" you can buy. It gets you special skins only available that way. So its like 25$ for season ticket. You get notified when games go live .. stuff like that
fiery reef
YOu can still watch for free too though
my boys
cold plover
fiery reef
They could do Stage packs. Each stage, there is a 10$ pack you can buy, that has a specific skin reward and maybe a spray or something.
buying all the stage packs in a season gets you a special season skin or a special profile avatar or something
thats 40$ from stages alone per person who wants to do it. Its a good way to make money imo
fiery reef
thats what happens when 3 of your worst teams are day 1
limpid estuary
I mean
pearl stratus
Shock shouldn't have been 0-4'd. That was just silly.
limpid estuary
As far as we know
gaunt acorn
0-4watch
cold plover
but dynasty and valiant are both 7:3
limpid estuary
And stage 2 is only gonna have 4 skins
gaunt acorn
shock is a trash team no surprise here 
cold plover
DANTEH LUL
limpid estuary
I bought the shock Mei skin because it made my gun look nice
gaunt acorn
shock is the only team i won't cheer for tbh
cold plover
i bought dynasty because dynasty is best team
fiery reef
I guess thats like 4$ .. but still idk .. I'd rather higher quality skins, at a higher overall support cost
gaunt acorn
even florida and shanghai are lovable underdogs
limpid estuary
I like epics
gaunt acorn
shock just plain suck and have bad attitudes
limpid estuary
If they made them legendaries
cold plover
i would cheer for all of them
limpid estuary
There would have been more complaints about paywall
fiery reef
I hate Texas .. but Outlaws are lovable. Though I have to support NYXL since I live there
cold plover
feel more inclined to be a NYXL fan
limpid estuary
People care less about epics, but theyre IMO the best skins
cold plover
because their players are more likable
NYXL has the coolest players
saebyeolbe
pine
mano
fiery reef
NYXL has JJoNak .. idc about any others
pearl stratus
Pine is an apt name.
pearl stratus
Since they'll be making a bench for him soon enough.
cold plover
i always liked sbb after the WC
pearl stratus
Once Fl0w3r is around Pine is going to see like... no play.
pearl stratus
Not that he really sees any now.
balmy wolf
When does next season of open division start?
pearl stratus
He does, you're just not going to play him over SBB, or Libero, consistently. And not Fl0w3r.
cold plover
cant wait for haksal and whoru to get in OWL
fiery reef
Poor florida 😦 they are gonna get crushed
pearl stratus
This current meta is going to be insane for Libero.
verbal roost
Is there a draft?
fiery reef
draft .. not really no
cold plover
doesnt florida have another dps now
verbal roost
awww
pearl stratus
Libero plays everything. It's just silly.
verbal roost
so 0-10+ teams are stuck?
cold plover
tviq is p good last i remember
fiery reef
I'd have loved if all the players went into a pool and were drawn round robin style when the teams were initially set up
pearl stratus
It works more like baseball @verbal roost
fiery reef
It would have made the teams so diverse
pearl stratus
Most of the teams have their minor league teams in Contenders
So they're creating their own farm teams for funnel.
cold plover
oh yeah
fiery reef
baseball?
pearl stratus
Also I don't think Draft would have worked at all.
cold plover
is kungarna and fusion uni doing well
fiery reef
oh that one sport from like the 40's?
pearl stratus
Because personality and cohesion matters so much, and language barriers.
Draft would just be screwed from the start.
gaunt mural
hey guys are the tokens given to everyone regardless of the teams you're supporting?
verbal roost
most sports have drafts though
cold plover
yes
fiery reef
I didn't cheer for any teams and I got 3 or 4 reward things
pearl stratus
Most sports drafts are typically just for the region they're in, though.
verbal roost
overwatch is north american region
gaunt mural
oh okay thanks @fiery reef
pearl stratus
Then you recruit from other countries.
No, its not. It's just where it started. Theres even Hebrew teams in the Contenders.
It's in NA because its where Blizzard is, lol
If Blizzard was in Nambia OW would be in Nambia.
cold plover
florida 1:9 feelsbadman
verbal roost
drafts would've been a great balancer
pearl stratus
Wouldn't have worked, either way.
cold plover
florida vs NYXL
verbal roost
maybe later 😄
cold plover
Outlaws vs Spitfire
pearl stratus
Say you have a team thats mostly korean, you're not drafting the white kid.
You're just drafting a korean.
verbal roost
seoul dynasty is mostly korean?
pearl stratus
Entirely.
verbal roost
they could draft people not from seoul though
if they started to tank for whatever reason
pearl stratus
They draft Korean players, Seoul is just their team base.
They'll eventually pick up others.
So will London and New York.
cold plover
tbh i think seoul will stay fully korean
pearl stratus
London will be the first to break away, imo.
verbal roost
shanghai dragons are accepting non chinese players
pearl stratus
They spend the most time working with english, etc.
fiery swallow
Sleepy 4k
fiery swallow
plz daddy
cold plover
sleepy 5k*
verbal roost
haha
cold plover
rekt surefour as well
verbal roost
race isn't really a predictor of the quality of the team anyways
nationality*
stuff like that 😮
pearl stratus
Also realistically contenders works better too, because it gives you two leagues to watch.
So you get farm teams, prepping players for moving up to pro.
And you get a much much larger talent pool to draw from.
As you see the non-OWL teams in contenders as well.
silk linden
Hey, I was right, Taimou did become a Tank main for Dallas
pearl stratus
He even looked better than xQc or Cocco.
verbal roost
hopefully they'll do something so that teams don't have to bear going 0-20+ :x
silk linden
I wonder where that leaves seagull and possibly xQc
pearl stratus
The only reason that happened was because the teams were stupid.
shy wind
tbh I fell asleep during OWL
shy wind
Was it dive comps the entire way like I expected
pearl stratus
They were able to choose a lot of MUCH better players, and they didn't. They chose the coaches crap team and some others.
They deserve their record, as much as I like watching them.
fiery swallow
it wasn't all dive lul
pearl stratus
It was like 80% dive.
silk linden
Where was Chips?
verbal roost
Well, just first season. Guess it's not that bad for them.
pearl stratus
It is bad for them, but its their own fault.
The players they picked (minus a few) aren't even top players in China.
They could have picked from MY, etc. They didnt'. They played a game of nepotism and let the coach bring the people he wanted, not the best people.
They screwed themselves.
silk linden
I wonder if a coaching position really is the best next move for Seagull, since I don't see him being a dps starter in any team
Maybe he too can become a main off tank, though those too are kinda a dime a dozen
He was supposed the Libero kinda player, the one who can fill any hole, but I'm not sure he can be
pearl stratus
He's not good enough, he stopped competitive for too long and his hero pool is garbage.
silk linden
I still think he's OWL caliber, though again, dps are a dime a dozen these days and playing time isn't always guaranteed
Did grimreality play at all during stage 1?
Did clockwork and iddqd? Honest question
forest raven
Nope
gaunt acorn
sucks because iddqd is the only player on shock i like
and he's stuck warming the bench
onyx shore
seagull is fine
he carried fuel mid to end of the stage 1
it's just that effect is better than him on tracer,and akm is better than him on soldier
forest raven
Seagull has also never played Tracer and played 76 on less than 10 maps
onyx shore
seagull hates tracer iirc
forest raven
He does
onyx shore
he doesnt like the character
spring lintel
Seagull is not owl materials
gritty yacht
Neither is Mercy!
onyx shore
mercy is fine
gritty yacht
She is!
onyx shore
her rework is useless though
gritty yacht
It's just a different meta now, I'm sure she'll work in.
onyx shore
moth meta didnt need to happen
gritty yacht
But she won't be a must pick, and she was a must pick because she was so strong.
onyx shore
what gave us the moth meta is that mercy rework
gritty yacht
Yeah
onyx shore
before the rework,mercy was not a must pick
she's mostly on pharah duty
it's just bcos so many people got butthurt of mercy hide and rez
gritty yacht
I do think Mercy was very exciting for the first stage.
onyx shore
and mercy otp "abusing" the SR gain
gritty yacht
But she was needlessly strong.
onyx shore
which is also a silly reason for her nerf
from casual perspective,blizzard surely loves to make a hero op
then nerf him/her into borderline unfun to play
silk linden
Mercy can work in pharmercy, and I'm 100% fine with that
One of these is not like the others https://imgur.com/gallery/PPShe
gritty yacht
I'm on call at work tomorrow, I hope I don't get called in!
Outlaws/Spitfire should be good.
onyx shore
if dafran is playing,who will get the bench?
limpid estuary
Mercy was reworked because they didnt like hide and seek. She was not a must pick by any means, but they didnt like that hide and seek gameplay
So we got half a year of Mercy being the best hero in the game as they kept hitting her with nerfs until we got what she is now
No hide and seek, and not meta defining
But still popular enough.
silk linden
And still very much playable, despite what the bronzes say
silk linden
Though a bit clunky feeling, I will concede
grizzled mulch
Mercy is one of the character that is always at the top of most play
for some weird reason
literally the number one pick
limpid estuary
I looked at a few games of OWL today
gritty yacht
Yeah her play went down single digits in bronze, and I think 74% in GM
limpid estuary
And saw Mercy more than Moira and Ana combined
silk linden
But I'm fine with a 0 skill hero not being super viable
limpid estuary
Not sure if that was true across the board
But I saw her in a few games, and only a little of the other two
silk linden
Who still sees a lot of play outside of pro games and high SR
limpid estuary
Its the only rank where she has more play than Moira
Moira is
Weird
She is the most played hero in GM
But I saw her used once in OWL (in the games I saw)
And she swapped off to Mercy
Whereas the other popular heroes (Zen, DVa, Tracer), I saw lots of in OWL
silk linden
Maybe in the owl they don't have Moira specialists yet
limpid estuary
Again, correct me if Im wrong
Maybe, but she saw sparing play in Stage 1.
Enough that I would think of her as a viable niche pick.
silk linden
We haven't seen much of stage 2 yet tbh
silk linden
Still have to see what London, NY, Houston and Boston do
gaunt acorn
they will probably win or lose
onyx shore
moira is good,unlike zen,you dont really need to babysit her
gaunt acorn
isnt houston rematching london today
onyx shore
can 1v1 a tracer
have escape
which is very concerning bcos if moira dominates the meta
blizzard will nerf her to the ground and make her unfun to play
mfw at stage 3 patch moira blink cooldown is now 12 seconds
red anvil
And Spitfire vs NYXL on saturday 
silk linden
I may find myself rooting for London on that one, regrettably
No one likes a one horse race
Even though I definitely like XL more as a team
red anvil
i think NYXL will take it, they have better synergy on the old meta
silk linden
I mean, they are the best team in the league
red anvil
we'll see, declaring someone to be the best team in the league when they dident take stage 1 playoffs, when the meta was superb for them is not right for me
spring lintel
A good mercy is rare as fuck
ashen lake
who is watching OWL now
molten skiff
Heard seoul destroyed valiant
At least on the score
That true?
My boys in gold and black coming back?
slim summit
I got 13 notifications for token drops on Twitch but unfortunately only got 9 tokens
maybe more will roll in
finite cedar
Reruns seems to give token too.
silk linden
What I saw of Seoul v Valiant, was a Fleta show
It wasn't a trashing but it wasn't close either
Like a 2-0 win in football
spring lintel
@slim summit where do you see these notifications?
sweet hamlet
got no tokens rip lol
finite cedar
sweet hamlet
lul
silk linden
it should reward you for watching from any device right?
lemme check if I got mine yesterday
nope
finite cedar
I know that if you're watching on the site, you're not logged into your account.
dim idol
spring lintel
So stupid i was online and i signed up
You should be able to get like 5 per a day right?
slim summit
Terribly sorry for having missed your message!
@spring lintel
I actually somehow have 14 of them now
You should be able to get at least 12 per day, up to 15 per day
since you get 1 ever map and every series has 4 or 5 maps and there are 3 series
spring lintel
“Fuck” is banned
silk linden
12 per day, 5 days a week, it's less than two weeks for a skin
spring lintel
In owl stream
silk linden
I should just consider leavin my pc on and going to sleep
fucking blizzard
during the streams I mean
slim summit
I still only have 9 tokens, despite the 14 notifications
next stump
why not an spanish OWL retransmision?
silk linden
they are planning on doing one I think
dense jasper
Okay, the inaugural t-shirts for each team (except NYXL...) look fucking amazing.
I can decide between Florida Mayhem or Dallas Fuel.
I need an underdog team lol
silk linden
shangai
hidden vault
tbh Shanghai should have just kept it chinese
inviting koreans would make them lose their chinese fan base
and start inviting the god damn best players of china
silk linden
they have the geguri fans now
silk linden
there are more women than chinese people in the world
hidden vault
hmm?
I think they would attract male attention too (at least comparable to the females)
I bet the Chinese scene is just confused now
but I guess times are changing
the Chinese might not be that much pro china anymore
finite cedar
They still picked Koreans that played on Chinese tournaments.
scarlet spear
damn the amount of bits for DFuel now
magic zinc
Really weird to me that Chinese fans at Shanghai for signing non-Chinese people
Its not a national team
We have the World Cup for that
torpid charm
did Shock show any improvement in their play last night?
rustic perch
or did iddqd play at least? 😦
balmy wolf
Iddqd has been doing really good on stream, I know it’s different from a full on League, but they should at least give him a chance
Trust me, competitive and League are entirely different
I myself never played in League, but I have some minimal scrims experience. You really can't compare those things
balmy wolf
Did I not just say “I know it’s different from a league.”
finite cedar
If scrims are different from ladder, OWL is too.
finite cedar
I need to read.
balmy wolf
They need to fix the education system world wide
finite cedar
Na, for me it's mostly an attention span issue.
balmy wolf
Overwatch should replace Math tbh
bright holly
Yes pro play is different than ladder play
See seagull
@magic zinc fans weren't mad about signing non Chinese
They're mad that some of the best Chinese players haven't been signed
glass orbit
bright holly
Leave, creed etc
@T!GER™#7364 they are hot packets
To keep from getting stiff
Basically to keep hands warm
waxen pawn
Is dafran going to be part of fla mayhem
limber pine
no
lunar latch
Does anyone know how many seconds before the game ends do you have to trigger overtime??
slim summit
I'm not sure how it works specifically either
it seems like sometimes you don't have to be physically on the point when the clock hits 0 so long as you touched it recently enough
if anyone does know, I'd love to know also
red anvil
i think its like 5 or 3
strong parrotBOT
Overwatch League - Season 1 - Stage 2
proven spruce
How do you claim tokens if you watched on MLG.tv? (I had my account linked and everything)
slim summit
Should be automatic
If your account was linked, they should count & show up at some point in the next 36 hours or so
they seem to be showing up at different rates for different people
and probably different rates for different platforms
proven spruce
Cool, thanks!
I might just watch on Twitch tonight since the drop system seems easier to keep track of
slim summit
MLG is about 60 seconds behind Twitch 😛
that's why I watch on Twitch even though quality on MLG is higher
short vault
idle beacon
limber pine
cuz he wasn't playing?
but it probably boils down to Dallas wanted him
I assume Rascal and other OWL players don't have "No trade clauses" in their contracts
@short vault yes and yes
pearl stratus
I honestly think for both Fissure and Rascal it boiled down to play time.
Rascal played for a total of an hour and 17 minutes in Stage 1, across all maps.
Meanwhile the other london DPS were up at like 7-8 hours total.
vestal berry
Who is gonna rise in stage 2?
pearl stratus
Like Birdring spent more time just on Widow than Rascal did on all heroes in Stage 1
vestal berry
I hope shock can make use of the non mercy meta
pearl stratus
Shock looked pretty horrible last night.
vestal berry
Yeah, sadly
pearl stratus
Their entire strategy basically involved: "USE MERCY META TO RESS BABYBAY A LOT. HES ALL WE GOT."
Danteh has been improving, but I'd still argue he's one of the weaker dps in the league.
pearl stratus
It's mostly just that their entire team revolves around one person.
And once Babybay dies everything falls apart.
vestal berry
But most importantly, shanghai needs to get ONE WIN DAMNIT
pearl stratus
It's noticeable on the maps where Asher kept shutting down Babybay with pulse bombs
vestal berry
What do you think is their weakest link? Their heals or tanking?
pearl stratus
Their reliance on Babybay to do anything.
If you shut down Babybay you shut down the Shock, Danteh isn't impactful enough on his own consistently enough.
silk linden
dhak can play lucio now at least
pearl stratus
He tried that last night. Didn't go well.
And that was with a BAD LAG.
LAG didn't play well either.
They have a new tank, who is amazing, but has a huge language barrier
That'll only go away in time and LAG will get a lot better.
silk linden
dallas played with the same 5 people + either AKM or Rascal for all maps right?
pearl stratus
Yep.
silk linden
literally rip Cocco, xQc and Seagull
pearl stratus
If Mickie improves on D'va they won't be in a horrible spot.
Taimou is a better communicating tank than any of the other trash they have.
silk linden
was chips sick or something?
pearl stratus
Though I could see Cocco coming back to Rein on Kings Row now and again.
Doubt it.
Current meta makes someone like Harry/Custa more valuable, because they can swap to a few dps roles when running the Sombra.
We'll see if that evolves during the season.
scarlet spear
i doubt the language barrier is a problem for fissure
hes speaking a pretty good english
probably just needs some more scrim time
magic zinc
Sad that its still mostly dive :(
Just the same meta as we had pre Mercy with some map dependant stuff
dawn patrol
Does anyone know why there is a French rebroadcast of last nights games, but no English stream? Are they just relying on people viewing the VODs instead?
magic zinc
There was an English rebroadcast earlier today
scarlet spear
pretty much starts after the games finish i think
magic zinc
....when everyone is at work or school
It started at 10am CET i think?
It also INSTANTLY gained 10k viewers which screams bots to me, like 10 people were chatting
/r/Overwatched is nice, no spoilers there
dawn patrol
Hmmmm yeah thats useless timing for most of CIS/EU but oh well
I guess I will work on my French 😛
silk linden
are the vods not good?
magic zinc
You can watch from the entire vod from last night in English, check /r/Overwatched
dawn patrol
ahh when I did it in the past it was always split into loads of different videos and they didnt play in order.
Its mainly out of laziness on my part
silk linden
much easier to learn french
dawn patrol
^this
vestal berry
Dva is kinda getting hard to watch, see way too much of her
vestal berry
I don't mind tracer as much, since there is a bunch of different styles of tracers that pros play
vestal berry
Still, dva isn't too fun to watch when she's in every comp, in my opinion, if you like watching her, you do you
Don't let me ruin your fun
silk linden
I can think of worse heroes to be in every team
I've seen such cancerous metas, I'll be happy with what I can see now
runic quest
Who's gonna win? Houston or London?
grizzled kayak
hey guys
pearl stratus
I think both teams have a good shot honestly.
In the Houston vs. London thing.
Jakerat Jakesoldier will both be really strong based on what we saw yesterday from 'meta'.
And Birdring / Bdosin soldier is strong too.
jagged crater
estimate how long before the community is "bored" of this dive meta?
jagged crater
still better to watch than mercy meta for sure
and the new maps are refreshing (for now)
but to not even see zarya/rein on king's row
like barely
hopefully just a meta still developing, people sticking to tried and true instead of experimenting on real matches too early
silk linden
I mean, even in stage 1 all heroes but symmetra saw some play. Obviously they can't all be equally viable
jagged crater
Stage 1 was very diverse
for pro play
one of the most diverse metas in a long time
Stage 2, we might be going back to the 90% tracer/soldier(genji)/winston/dva/zen/lucio comps
which everyone in the comp community moaned being stale af
it was even less diverse than triple tank
silk linden
all the variety is gonna happen in that single dps spot
jagged crater
yea
silk linden
ok no, probably all healers will be played as well
jagged crater
the flex dps is the only actual flex role
but day 1 we saw mercy moira and ana so perhaps
jagged crater
sombero :()
silk linden
I wanna see games with doomfist never swapping
warm quartz
Im happy to see sombra running around
The maps favor her and shows
HEY LOOK
SHE ISNT TOTALLY USELESS
Stop telling off the person playing sombra on this map for throwing
Before the match starts
silk linden
I mean, depends if they picked after the team already had 2 dps
limber pine
Sombra has always been a map pick more than others
warm quartz
You get the jist though
Even on route 66 I get borked at for playing sombra
When i know the enemy team isnt ballsy enough to run one
I'm just glad to see her getting some spotlight
jagged crater
people dont want to try diff stuff
they just want to win games with what they're used to
vestal mortar
Well the coordination in OWL teams is different to ranked play. Playing around a Sombra in OWL is usually something that teams have practiced so they have faith in it working.
warm quartz
Agreed, 1000%
jagged crater
you know it's a feelsbadman for cocco and xqc when their historically dps player taimou is playing main tank
warm quartz
Lol
Lets not feed the fans by putting xQc in
Oh and look
They won again
Without xQc
limber pine
part of me wonders if it's just a test
vestal mortar
I actually had like a daydream one time that Timo would take over main tank
jagged crater
i actually would like to watch xqc on stage, just to see the reactions
limber pine
cuz Shanghai
vestal mortar
oooh!
vestal mortar
Good point Sprite
jagged crater
and it wasnt too bad
vestal mortar
Yeah I remember 😛
limber pine
i know, but I'd still argue xQc is a better tank
silk linden
I straight up called taimou on main tank before yesterday's matches
jagged crater
think it really depends on the style
warm quartz
xQc is a great tank, buuut his professionalism and attitude could use work
jagged crater
and map
hopefuilly they swap between cocco/taimou/xqc regularly depending on map and opponents
limber pine
i hope
jagged crater
i want to see every player get play
silk linden
I mean, yesterday they didn't
warm quartz
Nb4 they keep xqc benched for stage 2
vestal mortar
That'd be super interesting!
jagged crater
dont even know what role seagull would fit now
vestal mortar
Please get Seagull to be the Mercy specialist 😏
silk linden
emotional support
seagull was supposed to be their Libero
the jack of all trades
again, supposed
jagged crater
no he was just a projectile dps / flex
warm quartz
Seagull is memegull
vestal mortar
He was supposed to be told to grind whatever meta hero they needed is what he said on stream when he first joined.
jagged crater
but regular season he mostly played junk
and he didnt do terrible, he was one of the more consistent players on fuel
but that was junk (if u wanna question junk's skill vs effectiveness)
silk linden
well then, if that's the case, then what do you think Dallas lack? A main Domfist? Because that's what's Seagull's grinding right now 
jagged crater
Effect is a nutty doom
warm quartz
So is mickie or effect or someone
jagged crater
but he's gotta play tracer
warm quartz
Pinkie pie and effect
silk linden
seriously though, that's my line of reasoning. If seagull really is supposed to specialize on the few roles the team needs for the current stage, then that might be his current role
just, figure out what dallas is missing, and who knows, mayeb they are making him do it
it's either that or benchwarmer
he can organize a weekly poker tournament with grimreality and iddqd
limber pine
and mendo
limber pine
bring t-pain too
pearl stratus
@limber pine On one to one skills I'd agree that xQc is probably better than Taimou. However all things considered with cohesion and (as weird as this is to say) respect, I think Taimou is better working with his teammates.
silk linden
and clockwork? Has he played much?
jagged crater
yes he has
silk linden
good to hear
limber pine
only when linkzr was sick
jagged crater
he played that one game and did fine
jagged crater
2 games
silk linden
yeah, his role is straight up Linkzr's backup
pearl stratus
One of the games he even was pretty clutch as a Widow, which is nice.
As Fleta showed during the Seoul/LAV game.
A good Widow is just god damn terrifying without Mercy.
That first point Kings Row was just..
Jesus.
vestal mortar
Mendo needs to get his teeth sorted out soon. :C So sad they got so infected.
silk linden
Moira went down after 10 secs, and it was over
pearl stratus
She shouldn't have been jumping.
That was a dumb play.
You're a tall ass honky.
What you doing jumping over shields.
warm quartz
"Tall ass honky"
jagged crater
xqc x rascal oh gosh :3
pearl stratus
I still see Taimou getting more play time as main tank.
They didn't even swap Cocco in for Kings Row.
And Cocco lives and breathes Rein.
I think at this point the team cohesion is just better with Taimou.
warm quartz
Cocco's blood is precision german engineered
pearl stratus
I jokingly said Effect would be calling the roster last season.
And I think I'm right.
I think Effect probably respects the amount of effort Taimou puts in.
And prefers him.
silk linden
Taimou is an xQc replacement more than Cocco imho
warm quartz
He's an ass
pearl stratus
Even though Taimou looks like the bad guy on every Criminal Minds episode.
jagged crater
taimou's got a pretty commanding demeanor if you ever watched him play on a team
so it prob works well
pearl stratus
Well he was saying he's shot calling.
Which is something Dallas didn't have.
Also he comes from a healer background in TF2.
So now you've got someone who's settled into all the roles.
silk linden
how tf do you not have shot callers
pearl stratus
Which isn't bad.
warm quartz
Shhhhshhss
jagged crater
xqc is also loud af but nobody understands him
pearl stratus
It happened to Seoul too.
silk linden
like no wonder they crashed
warm quartz
We arent allowed to discuss tf2!
pearl stratus
Seoul lost shot callers last season, RHJ was just being dumb and Tobi couldn't Mercy + Shot call.
warm quartz
xQc is just...he's xQc
pearl stratus
Since Tobi hated Mercy and had to focus on it.
You can see the change in their first match already.
For every team that Mercy buffed, there were teams she held back because they were forced into her.
I think this stage is going to be super interesting.
silk linden
you could feel Tobi's happiness in Nepal
booping left and right
"I'm finally back home"
pearl stratus
I mean Tobi is to Lucio as JJonak is to Zenyatta.
warm quartz
And you get a boop!
pearl stratus
Basically.
pearl stratus
I think he'll be fine, because the person he needs to coordinate the most with is Effect.
silk linden
^
silk linden
...poor brandon
warm quartz
And rascal actually gets to play
pearl stratus
It looks like he and AKM will split time pretty evenly depending on maps, yeah.
pearl stratus
When they can run double hit scan we'll see AKM.
When its better to run a projectile we'll see Rascal.
AKM's Pharah was nothing to write home about.
But his Soldier was insane.
warm quartz
He's a hitscan boy
jagged crater
rascal def got the simple comms down
silk linden
harry will no longer play soldier... sad
warm quartz
You mean screaming monkey
pearl stratus
He doesn't need much more than that - since his biggest communication is to Effect.
Which means even if he screws up the comm.
He's fine.
Because Effect will understand him lol
jagged crater
effect is prob a little happier knowing he's got a fellow korean on his team now
to communicate with
pearl stratus
Effect is probably happy knowing he's got three new people who work hard to grow.
Taimou on tank, AKM and Rascal.
I don't think he would have cared where they were from.
But the Korean is a plus, I won't take that away.
jagged crater
yes
silk linden
yeah, he probably spends his free time alone anyway
pearl stratus
It's not alone.
He usually groups for comp actually, but not that often with people on Dallas.
scarlet spear
wut
scarlet spear
hes been duo/trion with xQc and taimou almost every stream
silk linden
even during xQc's ban?
jagged crater
yes
silk linden
so he's not burned bridges with his team
pearl stratus
Sorry, I should have elaborated - many people. Like you don't see him with their supports often, etc.
silk linden
xQc I mean
pearl stratus
Whereas when you see some of the other teams stream its like a revolving door.
jagged crater
supports feelsbadman 😦
scarlet spear
i dont think chips/harry/cocco ever duo queue
pearl stratus
Poor Shaz last night.
scarlet spear
never seen them in a group
pearl stratus
Shaz was like an island so often, lol
jagged crater
when they were on envy, chips and harry would duo a lot
i wwatched their streams, very good dps players
on comp ladder at least
pearl stratus
Harry has crazy tracking for a support.
jagged crater
even chips
scarlet spear
well not like harry used to be support
whole mulch
Harry is support not by choice
scarlet spear
yeah
scarlet spear
he took over hulks role
pearl stratus
Because they're getting their replacements so late.
scarlet spear
on lucio duty
pearl stratus
And Shock.
Because without Mercy meta they can't keep Babybay alive through multiple deaths.
jagged crater
chips has a sombra 1 trick in top 500, and his mccree main account made to top 200
pearl stratus
So they get rolled.
jagged crater
so even envy's supports are nutty dps players
whole mulch
A lot of support players in general come from various FPS backgrounds, and can play dps quite well
scarlet spear
lets not forget coccos genji here 
jagged crater
at the pro level, think every player from every role can at least play dps at a GM level
whole mulch
Except xqc
jagged crater
he drops down once ina while xD
pearl stratus
Play some dps, I'd agree.
scarlet spear
effect in a game vs a 6 stack with academy team players 
whole mulch
Rip
scarlet spear
mostly fusion academy, might be a good stream
spiral summit
so i was food shopping last night, how is owl last night with the new maps and no mercy
spiral summit
i only watched hamamoria for shock and glad
so the show seem slicker also who is the black guy?
whole mulch
He was one of the hosts of the world cup
spiral summit
ah ok
there seem to be a fan cam now and it showed one guy eating, i hate it when sports who show some guy eating in the stands
like it very hard to eat food in the stands
delicate mural
warm quartz
Hopefully it doesnt end up like ProtoMagicalGirl
Where twitch literally bans an emote because the community was being stupid
jagged crater
who
warm quartz
AGDQ drama
scarlet spear
not like its that dumb
warm quartz
She's a transgender speedrunner, people spammed DanSexy and yeah
scarlet spear
and malik is a chill dude
warm quartz
If you know what DanSexy is you can understand why they banned it asap
jagged crater
it's become a standard thing whenever a black person shows up on stream
not just OW, like other video game streams i watch
warm quartz
I'm assuming its because AGDQ wants to be strictly family friendly
And owl is just like
Twitch chat isnt our problem
jagged crater
twitch viewerbase is predominantly white kids i imagine
jagged crater
white male teenagers
pearl stratus
It is, but I also think Twitch will cow to whatever demand Blizzard makes.
I'm betting OWL is making them hand over fist money.
jagged crater
but i do like twitch spam sometimes
like pogchamps and LULs
encompasses a live audience well
warm quartz
When its been explained if they would read posts at all, that visas are a bitch
Hell
jagged crater
most viewers are prob casual
warm quartz
It was said during the stream yesterday
jagged crater
they just tune in during match day
pearl stratus
I think they could use their twitch channel to have some generic stuff though.
Just like a pseudo FAQ section down bottom for people who aren't up to date.
I.E: "What's changed?" "Where are new players" etc.
warm quartz
"Where's the rest of Shanghai"
pearl stratus
Current patch info would be huge too.
Since we'll probably get the sombra stuff in a week or so.
warm quartz
"America's an ass, we're waiting on Visas."
pearl stratus
And everyones going to be like "THAT SOMBRA IS DIFFERENT. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE."
warm quartz
"Shes meta-changing"
jagged crater
you're still gonna get a bunch of people spamming it anyway
warm quartz
She will wreck comp temporarily since people will think she's viable out the gate
jagged crater
people dont read the stuff on the bottom
warm quartz
And not the good wreck
pearl stratus
Most intelligent people don't read the chat either, honestly. So its a losing battle either way.
jagged crater
good to know harryhook watches twitch with chat on 😃
pearl stratus
I mean if you're a steamer you have to, one of the perils of the job lol
jagged crater
not when he's streaming
when he's just watching his team from the bench
@vestal mortar what happened to the seoul flair?
jagged crater
classic taimou
pearl stratus
She ditched when they started losing.
jagged crater
it's good to know there are still fans for losing teams
like the audience, those chinese fans for a 0-11 team
pearl stratus
It's a lot more than just chinese fans for Shanghai.
They're like the awkward league favorite.
magic zinc
A lot of people are jumping the Geguri train too... which isn't exactly what she wanted
feral wing
another dps
magic zinc
But lets be honest there's no way to avoid that
whole mulch
I'm a Shanghai fan
limber pine
i just don't want them to go 0-40
pearl stratus
I don't think they'll go 0-40.
feral wing
lol imagine
pearl stratus
I think they'll have a tough time till the new people though.
feral wing
they might actually
magic zinc
Nah, they'll definitely win a few
pearl stratus
But with how bad MG plays they may just replace him the second they get someone else.
Because good with a language barrier is better than bad with a brain barrier.
magic zinc
I dont think I've ever seen a sports team lose everything lol, a season is kinda long so if an opponent has a bad day they can get a win there
jagged crater
people always liked underdogs and now shanghai is that
NFL there were 0-16 teams
but fewer games than your typical sports games
pearl stratus
Yeah no wins definitely happens.
But I don't think it will once Shanghai gets its new people
silk linden
leicester city was dead last seven games before the end of the season before they won the premier league
magic zinc
chat shit get banged lads
silk linden
maybe shangai needs to do what they did
which, turns out, was an orgy with thai hookers
true story
scarlet spear
whats there not to improve by holding orgys with cheap thai hookers?
silk linden
thankfully this is esports, no chance of sex ever being involved
magic zinc
oof
Wasn't uh... some famous lady a Dallas Fuel fan
Tooootally forgot her name her weird
She was in the... entertainment industry
silk linden
Idk if she has tweeted anything else apart from that first time
spiral summit
didn't she star in world of whorecraft?
maybe saving privite ryan isn't a good movie for eating lunch
at least the first seane
can't wait for outlaw spitfire
vestal berry
I think since they lost a bunch, their bad attitude caused by their losses will cause them to play worse and then in turn lose more
0-40 is definitely a situation
limber pine
They'll be able to squeeze one win out somewhere
probably against a super inconstant team like Phili
deft valley
pls no
scarlet spear
i can see them win against shock next time they play tbh
if nevix doesnt carry his ass off
pearl stratus
They could also 180 when they pick up new people. All of their pick ups fill a specific gap they were missing.
limber pine
they went to tiebreaker against phili in stage 1
pearl stratus
I mean they also technically were a map away from going to Tiebreaker against Seoul in Stage 1 😛
scarlet spear
yeah phili is a true hit or miss team
deft valley
phili
Well the thing with Fusion is that they also get carried by dps a lot of the time
the difference is that Philly's are usually good enough
pearl stratus
I see them doing better against San Fran more so than Philly. San Fran is literally Babybay and five people.
And now its no longer "Use two mercy resses on babybay."
scarlet spear
whatchu mean
babybay is meh at best
nevix is by far their most consistant and best player
and a shame that hes on d.va duty
limber pine
maybe super can help in stage 3
limber pine
scarlet spear
limber pine
25% of the way there
scarlet spear
not even 2nd day
scarlet spear
a skin at 40 mil global, and you can personally get overwatch emotes for twitch
jagged crater
thuper
limber pine
@burnt goblet you can check #overwatch-news for the details
burnt goblet
thanks
balmy wolf
chutes de neige
tacit aspen
= 
= 
balmy wolf
kek
scarlet spear
who won that stage 1 again? 
limber pine
wha
silk linden
"I'm sorry Manchester City, even though you dominated the whole season, you still gotta play a couple games against 4th placed Arsenal to determine the true winner"
I'm not a fan of playoffs
magic zinc
4th placed Arsenal
heh
COYS
I dont mind play-offs per stage tbh
But at the end ehhh
Lets say NYXL goes like 35-5
And 3rd place has 25-15
And then on the day, 3rd place happens to beat NYXL
They'd win the whole thing right?
That just feels kinda eh to me
scarlet spear
they would get 1 mil$
while NYXL gets 300k for being first
bit eh yeah
but creates hype around playoffs
and gives them proper finals
silk linden
also, makes team fight in order to clinch even lower position in the table
in football, they make up for it with the champions league qualification, so that you have teams fighting for 4th place even when the title is out of their grasp
also, since the league doesn't have relegation, the last few matches against lowest placed teams would basically be sandbaggings, so I guess the final placements are spoiled by this
tawny sigil
stream starting late today
scarlet spear
?
tawny sigil
well sometimes they start it 30 minute before it starts
scarlet spear
1 AM CET, no clue what that is in EST/other timezones
silk linden
"download the OVERWATCH APP (TM) to always be in the know!"
tawny sigil
yeah cause i got a phone
scarlet spear
EU didnt want to watch anyways 
young sonnet
tacit aspen
@magic zinc what are your predictions for the night?
magic zinc
3-1 London, 4-0 NY, 3-2 Boston