#esports-discussion
scarlet spear
solid spear
Twitter
scarlet spear
exactly
civic marsh
flame is such a knob
scarlet spear
looking at his twitter makes me mad
civic marsh
xqc is a muppet most of the time but he had a legit point
scarlet spear
yeah
civic marsh
flame is a hypocrite, he should already know to keep this shit off twitter
scarlet spear
he really did
civic marsh
6m ago tairong has tweeted an apology now
after deleting his previous one and all mention of it being deleted from compOW
i have nothing against tairong but there needs to be consistency from blizzard
scarlet spear
definitely
civic marsh
can't just punish 1 guy cos everyone hates him and not punish another cos everyone loves him
scarlet spear
the pr dude from blizzard in the twitter comments had no clue about it either
so i guess it legit just flew under the radar
magic zinc
Appearently Blizzard can't punish a coach directly like they can a player
or something
So the org themselves has to punish Tairong
which they're not doing it seems
scarlet spear
why was the shanghai dragons coach fined then ?
when 2 of their players account shared
he paid something like 3k $
if im not wrong
magic zinc
Did Blizzard suspend them or Shanghai?
civic marsh
also can we discuss how semmler keeps swearing on stream lol 
magic zinc
He'll donate 1 grand good for Tairong
I think he's also kinda anxious about the situation tbh it must've caught him off guard
young sonnet
Did XQC donate? I thought he did something unless i'm dreaming
magic zinc
I think he did?
scarlet spear
he had to pay a fine and said he'd donate another 2k$ to some LGBT organization if blizzard didnt say it was going to benefit something that was the cause for all of that
not sure personally
young sonnet
Sounds about right
magic zinc
Ah right that was it
He said that if Blizzard was putting the money in their own pocket instead of donate it to a charity he'd donate himself
But I dont think we've heard anything from that
scarlet spear
Twitter
this sounds like bullshit to me tbh
when was his tweet? 2-3 days ago? 100% those tweets are handled by some PR guy right now obviously
civic marsh
yeah he is tweeting his apology now because it's all starting to come back up
magic zinc
I can imagine Tairong wants to have it translated as his English isn't good
civic marsh
he deleted his previous apology tweets
magic zinc
But you can tell the plan originally was to just ignore it and let it blow over
scarlet spear
yeah but having something translated doesnt take 2-3 days, especially if its a public apology
anyways, all of this is spicy as fuck 
magic zinc
If Blizzard doesn't step in this'll be all of it I reckon
scarlet spear
aaand the r/cow thread got removed for witch hunting or something along the lines
young sonnet
I'm out of the loop but i'm guessing the XQC threads didn't get removed during his incident?
magic zinc
Jesus /r/cow
I think those were also removed
Main sub is better for this stuff lol they dont remove anything
slim summit
this is such a silly thing to be salty about
xQc's behavior and one insensitive retweet are not comparable
we don't need to form a goddamn lynch mob and demand coaches get fined over stupid shit like this
leave the twitter drama on twitter
but you know that the reactionaries in Blizzard's mgmt are gonna be legitimizing the silly outrage
young sonnet
i know shit about this and am gonna stay as far away as possible ¯_(ツ)_/¯
slim summit
what do you mean
you don't have to share anything you don't want
i just don't quite understand your message here
young sonnet
What i mean is i'm not gonna get into arguments or whatever about this. Situation is stupid. That is all.
scarlet spear
quite sure the xQc ones werent removed back then ? at least thats where i picked up all that stuff from
gotta check that again
young sonnet
Also asking blizzard to be consitent is a big ask
slim summit
i don't think it's "being consistent" to fine everyone who says something offensive just because xQc's fine came after saying something offensive
the behavior leading up to the fine matters
scarlet spear
so its fine to punish one player but its not fine to punish others? 
slim summit
being consistent doesn't mean issuing a fine for every offensive thing said just because you issued a fine to someone who says many offensive things
young sonnet
I'm all for treating people fairly. But there comes a point where you have to analyse the type of person they actually are and whether or not they actually mean it.
slim summit
treating someone with a pattern of behavior the same as you would someone who doesn't ... isn't consistent
odds are, xQc wouldn't have been fined if he didn't have an established track record of embarrassing the league
magic zinc
So its okay to be offensive but only a few times?
slim summit
yes
or rather
not everything that isn't ok needs to be met immediately with a fine
scarlet spear
seems dumb to me, if you have a big public league with international viewership you should treat all of the contestants the same way. I don't mind increasing the fines or severity of the punishment if the behaviour persists, but punishing one guy and not punishing others for fuckin up is just playing plain favourites
slim summit
if you're okay with the increase in severity of the punishment then what's the problem
that's what i'm in favor of also
magic zinc
That the first few offenses should be waved off
magic zinc
That sounds silly, and then where do you draw the line?
slim summit
it's all subjective & depends on the severity of the offense
if someone goes on a particularly racist n-word tirade, despite it being the first time, they'll be removed from the league entirely
if someone retweets a dumb meme, it obviously shouldn't be the same
but try as we might, there's no productive way to demarcate all bad behavior into tiers of punishment
magic zinc
Its not like people want Tairong's head on a pike, they want a small fine for him to stay consistent with other offenses from other people
slim summit
can we be more specific on the other offenses?
magic zinc
Profit got a 1000 dollar fine which was a little much imo but it set a precident
slim summit
profit got a 1000 fine that was very likely enumerated in his contract & in a very very specific way
"don't flip off the cameras"
he got caught out doing it live -- though an accident -- and it's binary
it also happened on stage
there is no way to do the same for a meme, or even for trash talk
after joining the League
xQc gets suspended in game for false reporting
he gets suspended in game again for throwing matches
and then he went too far with Muma and actually got action taken
in my opinion, reacting to this TiaRong meme differently than how you reacted to xQc's first infractions would be inconsistent
not the other way around
magic zinc
If it were up to me I'd also give xQc a small fine for his first infringement
But I guess we'll agree to disagree lol
slim summit
if the small fine is the first step, i guess i can agree with that
like, i might not agree that it should be, but i think we are on the same page
scarlet spear
i mean, i still think to this day that his first ban was pretty dumb, and considering it was almost 2 months before OWL started i wouldnt really connect the 2 of them. His throwing on bastion shit was obviously dumb and i imagine he should have been fined for that aswell yeah
slim summit
the only reason i don't think we should necessarily start with fines immediately is because the inaction allows for a bit more interpretation ... otherwise, everytime someone does anything mildly controversial there will be threads about how "this is unfair! this should be fined! blizzard is rigged!" or whatever
whereas if there's no initial official action taken for such mild offenses
the ones that aren't widely agreed upon can fizzle out & fewer people will feel that there are too many fines issued for trivial things
scarlet spear
i wouldnt mind either way i think, i love me some shit talk personally... just sparked this conversation because of flames hypocrisy when he jumped on twitter to make fun of xQc but immediately said to not witch hunt and leave tairong alone
they should just bring the trash talk OGN style back tbh
slim summit
OGN style?
scarlet spear
they had some pre game trash talk during APEX
were players just made fun of the other team, light hearted of course, it was pretty good
they did that in their other eSports tourneys aswell and people loved it
slim summit
lol like a roast
that's actually a good idea
i would like to see more interaction between players
the little bits they did about football trivia were fun
if a bit pompous
"hah, you guys don't know anything about real sports!" -- but they're asking Swedes and Koreans ...
about american football
scarlet spear
apex just had a lot more interactive fun stuff in the breaks that gave some real enjoyment imo
like the karaoke show
slim summit
karaoke would be hilarious
scarlet spear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17_wY1Q0e8E&t=204s it was pretty good
vestal mortar
I miss OGN trash talk and karaoke
scarlet spear
Ryujehongs karaoke was 
tbh
vestal mortar
😊
slim summit
lmao
magic zinc
I miss Esca :(
slim summit
this is great
scarlet spear
gambler & sbb is amazing aswell
sweet hamlet
SBB dancing lmfao
magic zinc
SBB's hair change definitely worked out for him
sweet hamlet
Tobi sings ok actually
hybrid sluice
sbb looked so different
full lion
sweet hamlet
what
magic zinc
Oh no now I'm in the OGN interviews rabbithole
Jehong mentions he loves playing with Esca multiple times 
why must they hurt me like this
vestal mortar
🕯 Esca
brisk roost
Welp til Stage 2 then haha
young sonnet
T'was a dark time. There wasn't a C9 in 11 days, and the Twitch chat was silent
torpid charm
guys, what do I do with my life now that we don't have OWL till the 21st
young sonnet
Meditate
slim summit
lol
a week without overwatch league 
i have to admit
i was skeptical that OWL would hold my interest for more than a couple weeks
but i'm very excited for stage 2 to resume
limber pine
new patch new maps new players
brisk roost
Indeed
slim summit
No more Mercy meta 🙌
sand geode
oh so there's a select map pool per stage?
slim summit
Direct quote from the casters every match: "And the guy just made a HUGE play, what incredible skill, oh but it doesn't matter because their Mercy pressed Q and yeah now they're back at full force!"
@sand geode Yup, here's the stage 2 map pool: https://i.imgur.com/4Hv0ueY.png
sand geode
ooooo
slim summit
I'm most excited for King's Row, Hollywood, and Route 66
I like Hanamura and Volskaya more than Moonbase Alpha and Anubis, but I'm worried that 2CP will be pretty boring in the upcoming quad tank moira meta
sand geode
i think gibraltar could be pretty spicy
slim summit
Yeah, I like that one too
Gonna be a great map for Widow, especially since there's no Mercy to instantly undo every sick play
brisk roost
So they won't be playing as Mercy anymore right? XD!
slim summit
I don't think they will be
brisk roost
So who'll be the main healer now?
torpid charm
a lot of the people who played Mercy for stage one are actually Lucio mains
and there are a lot of amazing Ana mains on teams
hidden vault
Would the Koreans and Chinese head back to their country for Chinese New Year?
torpid charm
probably
willow panther
spring lintel
First stage 2 weekend is fucking insane
tawny sigil
what bout it?
oh you mean the team match up... yeah
all top teams against each other
what are the maps for stage 2
torpid charm
if you scroll up there's a chart that tells us all the maps in rotation for stage 2
fervent temple
Nyxl is the worst
tawny sigil
since blizzard world was added is the amount of maps equal?
or no blizzard world is the extra map
so can expect the futur 3 maps to be escort/control/2cp
been a while since a new control map so i would expect next one to be control
shrewd jacinth
Overwatch Contenders Trials Korea going on now
Watch the S-T-O-R-Y-T-E-L-L-I-N-G
fresh arrow
effect is going back to the US two days before new year, so it's hard to say if everyone will go home
@hidden vault
hidden vault
I see thanks! @fresh arrow
finite cedar
Looking at the map pool, Volskaya will be heavy on Sombra, as the her rebalance will probably not reach live before Stage 2.
magic zinc
It has been confirmed that Sombra changes wont be in Stage 2
onyx shore
what about esca?
magic zinc
EscA plays PUBG nowadays
red anvil
Esca was signed to Dynasty but he left on his own free will
subtle fable
meta marble sign a new team, meta A. snt is ex-lw red awesomeguy
awesomeguy was famous for winston. he was same level with miro, gamsu.
red anvil
awesomeguy have been in MA since november last year or so
molten skiff
technically esca is still in the same organization
ksv owns both dynasty and the pubg team esca plays for
molten skiff
so they just SE now
subtle fable
🙃
scarlet spear
oh man totally forgot about LTJ, so he went to pubg aswell
subtle fable
yes, he did three days ago officially.
in the last tournament apl finals, asel ranked 20th.
out of 20 teams
scarlet spear
ouch
subtle fable
one of the 20 teams was 3 man squad, but ranked higher than asel
scarlet spear
should've learned from evermore and hidden more
balmy wolf
@gaunt flameofVillainy#4680 about these overwatch teams
uncut moon
It's taking them ages to put the OWL playoff final VODs up on the site 😫
hidden vault
Let's hope to get a Japan team
slim summit
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/7wvkts/10_amazing_statistics_coming_out_of_overwatch/
This has probably been posted here already, but this is pretty sweet
I like the 12th stat ... Mei vs Mei 
subtle fable
3th has error
i was wrong. he said only death/time, not K-D/time. then custa is 16th from bottom
spiral summit
we need a city in the midwest i can cheer for, chicago or minneapolis would be grand, og shit maybe the minneapolis team can be the gemani's with purple and green
i now want a minneapolis gemani team in OWL
limber pine
from what's being said, Chicago is pretty much confirmed for next season
scarlet spear
i remember that aswell
pearl stratus
There were quite a few new teams from what was inferred.
subtle summit
Has anyone here been to a match for OWL? I'm going to be in LA in a couple weeks for work and my team plays in the 5 o'clock game on Saturday. I work until 2 and I couldn't get there until 3:30 or 4. Is it worth going that late?
vestal mortar
I haven't been there but people often just go to watch a single match.
slim summit
I've got a work trip to LA in March ... thinking of stopping & seeing a match
but I probably won't have time
vestal mortar
Awww
magic zinc
I hope we get another event at Gamescom, probably going there this year
I recall there being some World Cup thing earlier? Dont remember
scarlet spear
last gamescom only had the junkertown shenanigans afaik
vestal mortar
Yeah there wasn't any esports stuff at last Gamescom
young sonnet
We'll probably get a short at the most 🤔
magic zinc
Maybe a map too, wasn't Junkertown from Gamescom?
Might even go as a volunteer lol free food + backstage access
young sonnet
Lol. I know a couple of mates that volunteered for an event once. They got early acess and did nothing but walk around and look at everything.
magic zinc
Well Gamescom backstage means meeting the devs so thats neat
young sonnet
good lord
deft valley
is xqc's gonna be "suck my dick"?
lyric pivot
slim summit
designed by their Meme Specialist, surely
idle beacon
pretty quiet in here, huh?
vestal mortar
Yee
magic zinc
pearl stratus
Is there such a thing as anti-valentines day card?
Because I could see giving those to someone you want to reject you.
young sonnet
No captial letters at the start. No full stop.
idle beacon
na piot and korea condenders?
spring lintel
^ when
idle beacon
with live stream?
spring lintel
Pit starts in an hour
idle beacon
are there live streams?????
grizzled kayak
hi guys
magic zinc
idle beacon
so
idle beacon
those matches tonight .. any live streams?
idle beacon
@magic zinc thanks. my man!
slim summit
What is Overwatch Pit
spiral summit
so is there some super hip esports bar in like say chicago?
like you go there for pub bugers and chicken wings but instead of football, the tv is showing overwatch, LoL and CSGO
young sonnet
I remember when owl started there were a lot of meet ups that watched the game. Dunno about any in chicago specifically though.
I mean a lot of sports bars are showing Esports now
idle beacon
who are these teams?
vestal mortar
There were a few viewing parties on Saturday in London and Houston I believe. Probably NY too!
delicate mural
sudden relic
Can I enter my 79 year old son into esports?
balmy wolf
no @sudden relic
light fractal
no
Dafran is only following the head person of Misfits/Mayhem
it could all be a troll but so many signs point towards him getting picked up by them
ember oriole
unkempt sky
I dafran gets signed he is so fun to watch
spring lintel
XQC fucked again
LOOOOL
This is just hilarious
He is being vague wit the hate against blizz
And blizz is having none of it
wintry roost
Who was that widow on point A Anubis that shot that genji as he was going through a window?
idle beacon
what game?
wintry roost
Earlier in the season I thought it was fleta but I don't think so
pearl stratus
@spring lintel What did special ed do this time?
idle beacon
one of those cracks ye, @wintry roost
balmy wolf
Okokok I was looking at stuff on the compow subreddit, is there someone other than sinatraa, and the mayhem team hinting that dafran will join owl?
uncut moon
@wintry roost it was fleta who threaded the needle on Anubis in week 1 or 2
subtle fable
https://www.twitch.tv/playoverwatch_kr
watching kr contenders trials, what I felt is that dive meta, soldier and lucio will come back to stage 2 after mercy is gone.
scarlet spear
im fine with that
deft valley
dive meta never left
stage 1 was just dive with mercy
balmy wolf
ye dive meta never left
lucio is coming back for sure
soldier hasn't been meta since season 3, he's just a decent pick here and there
moira is pretty strong right now, so is zen
ana still trash mostly, mercy dead outside pharmercy
theres ur stage 2
Ana has uses
uncut moon
why are the playoff vods for oasis onwards still not on OWL reeeeeee
balmy wolf
Go NewYork
vagrant jacinth
I'm not a fan of dive
limber pine
scarlet spear
rascal would be a sick addition
considering hes riding the bench with birdring and profit on the same team and hes an amazing genji/hitscan
limber pine
exactly that
dense ferry
xqc and rascal, oof
scarlet spear
yeah that shouldnt be an issue in a proffesional enviroment
would mean dallas is able to play a proper dive now
e-sports discussion
deft valley
he posted that in all five disc channels
scarlet spear
thats a pretty shitty pun name tbh
magic zinc
Damn will there be space for Seagull if Rascal signs?
scarlet spear
good question
makes aKm signing a bit questionable aswell
then again, expanding your roster is never bad imo
magic zinc
Yeah, I assume he's getting signed not to sit on the bench
Same goes for AKM
Effect and Taimou might need to start worrying a bit
scarlet spear
eh effect has nothing to worry imo
taimou maybe, but you can always sub him in for triple tank specialist stuff
magic zinc
Seagull though heck
Does Rascal play Junk? Otherwise that might be the only hero that Seagull doesn't overlap with
He plays Zarya too I suppose, but so does Effect
scarlet spear
he does
magic zinc
oof
deft valley
I think Seagull might be moving to a coach/PR/whatever organizational role anyway
like even if he doesn't play he'll stay on the team
civic marsh
rascal effect and akm monkaMEGA
magic zinc
Jesus christ he's versatile
civic marsh
rip seagull
also do y'all think dafran on mayhem is a jebait or real?
i'd love to see him in OWL
magic zinc
Gotta be a jebait
magic zinc
I don't think he'll be toxic again
He doesn't have particular interest in going pro again anyway does he?
scarlet spear
don't want to see him fall off the map as genji again
well thats what he said
but you know
the interest rises the bigger the number on the paycheck
civic marsh
this would be the worlds cruelest jebait
limber pine
it is most certainly a jebait
magic zinc
Sinatraa 'leaked' it right? They're good friends
gaunt acorn
florida seems like the most no-shits-given chill team anyways
magic zinc
Good friends don't leak that stuff
gaunt acorn
he'd probably fit in
scarlet spear
true
scarlet spear
watch the news
Dallas fuel sign dafran, scientists find out 6 hitscan meta is the next big thing
magic zinc
Ah, so Quick Play is the true meta after all
Goddammit even Shadder2k is leaking now
Speaking of him, imo he could definitely be on a team
tawny sigil
did profit get anything for flipping the camera?
magic zinc
$1000 fine
tawny sigil
sound appropriate
civic marsh
can't believe i'm hype for OWL player news like i used to be hype for football transfer news
magic zinc
Man I want the league to get bigger so we can get bullshit rumors
I love transfer news sometimes its genuinly ridiculous
novel meadow
Profit spotted getting off a bus at Loftus Road
scarlet spear
time for profit to flip off the paparazzis
magic zinc
White van spotted driving towards Fuel teamhouse, looks vaguely like the van AKM arrived in
civic marsh
fan report saying he swears he saw dafran chowing down on a big mac in the local mcdonalds
tawny sigil
just a matter of time for the #MeToo to get in the OWL
scarlet spear
was it a mcdonalds in miami?
magic zinc
'Barber leaks details in next Dafran move'
tawny sigil
are the players paid by the league or the coach
limber pine
their team
magic zinc
The league is still allowed to suspend players obviously
Not sure if they can with coaches
slim summit
I don't want Rascal to go to Fuel 😦
but I guess if you have to lose a good player it might as well go to a shit-tier team
better than a team that could challenge your own standings
tawny sigil
dont know why i had this notion that the team owner was the coach
so team owner pay the team and if the team wins the owner gets to do whatever they want with the money or are they obligated to share
slim summit
50% of winnings must go to players
tawny sigil
ok
slim summit
Everone on Spitfire just had a nice payday
magic zinc
I wonder if Stylosa got a bonus lol
slim summit
who is stylosa
scarlet spear
why would he
magic zinc
He's technically an employee l
scarlet spear
dude is just their "mascot"
tawny sigil
12 players... that's a huge money divide modifier
magic zinc
Ah right ofc
magic zinc
Yeah nowhere it says its equally shared
tawny sigil
that's nothing compare to the monthly pay
slim summit
we don't know if it's equally shared either
it might be but i could imagine it also not be
glacial sleet
are there games this week?
magic zinc
Nope
glacial sleet
::(
slim summit
i would give Profit $10 on account of that stupid ass mercy tire wiff that cost them Anubis
magic zinc
Not OWL anyway, there is PIT I think
slim summit
u want money? don't throw matches
spiral summit
is XQC gone from OWL?
spiral summit
😦
tawny sigil
dont fall in for it
spiral summit
i hope he got johnny football'd out of the owl
glacial sleet
lmao
tawny sigil
well he trashed talk like any other trash talking
but because of the target its all different
its kinda fucked up
spiral summit
wait what do you mean target?
magic zinc
And then on Reddit
slim summit
dafran is memeing
magic zinc
"Note: The Rascal trade that was mentioned a bit after my tweet is not the only roster movement to be happening to my knowledge." -- ZP
Seeya Seagull
glacial sleet
he prolly makes more streaming anyways lol
magic zinc
I'm probably most excited for the Spectating workshop they're having lol
glacial sleet
confirmed dafran joining shenghai dragons 😮
scarlet spear
seagull to london to make birdring happy
tawny sigil
the amount of viewer for OWL is kinda underwhelming compare to LoL 2 years ago
slim summit
what are the time restrictions on trades
scarlet spear
till the day stage 2 starts i think
slim summit
will Rascal be playing for Fuel starting next week?
magic zinc
I thought transfer period was until Stage 3 starts?
scarlet spear
is it that long?
oh yeah
this window is planned to open after the last day of Stage 1 (February 11), and close before the first day of stage 3 (April 3).
thats a long ass signing window
slim summit
Rascal will be back to losing against shit tier teams on stage and xQc will never readd him
magic zinc
Oh right I forgot about that spicey drama
magic zinc
Hastro reaffirmed he wanted to give xQc another shot pretty sure
slim summit
also Rascal doesn't speak English does he?
gonna be hard
Effect at least has been learning it since being signed
way back in like October or whatever
magic zinc
https://twitter.com/hastr0/status/962886837202243586 Ah there we go
Twitter
Has he been though? He's not great at English...
magic zinc
ye boii
slim summit
I thought Fuel was one of the teams requiring their players to learn English
magic zinc
It could be a trade...?
scarlet spear
not like hes unable to learn english
slim summit
who tf would London want from Dallas
scarlet spear
pretty sure they were already learning english in london
night thunder
Like they just won 100,000k
slim summit
no, but Effect had a ehad start
night thunder
Any Koreans on fuel?
magic zinc
Effect
slim summit
Effect
night thunder
Oh well then they should take effect
magic zinc
What if they trade Effect
civic marsh
slim summit
lol
night thunder
Rip rascal though all new team diff Lang
scarlet spear
doubt it
subtle fable
maybe next news is fissure
scarlet spear
spring lintel
Dafran huge announcement in 8 mins
slim summit
idk what would be the point of taking effect though
profit is a much better tracer
much better on most dps
spring lintel
Not sure if dafran is a huge jebait or jebait jebait. Cause everyone is i to this.
Or reverse psychology jebait
magic zinc
Watch him go "I'll be working at McDonalds again and cut down on streaming"
Just use Chinese keyphrases lol probably
spring lintel
7 mins
scarlet spear
where is that announcement?
spring lintel
Dude watch him just put jebait emote
slim summit
like it's not a coincidence all the rumors n shit are going around today
spring lintel
On his stream
slim summit
on a day when many signings are also being announced
scarlet spear
slim summit
it's probably just an intentional publicity stunt to get him in the zeitgeist at the right moment
scarlet spear
the mcdonalds mayhem dream is becoming true
magic zinc
I love transfer windows
slim summit
in hopes he'll be actually picked up by an actual team
spring lintel
this is gotta be something
No way everyone is just in this stupid shit and it’s a jebait
scarlet spear
@subtle fable https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/7xaso9/owl_transfer_rumor_in_koreagossip/ did you hear anything about that gossip stuff ?
SoWhat to dallas would be
slim summit
twitch just straight up made me watch a 4th ad in a row
seige x2, bayonetta x2
oh great now it's an ad for seige again
what is going on here
anyway dude has a countdown up with ~3 minutes left
magic zinc
monkaMEGA
scarlet spear
magic zinc
Oh my god I'm so ready to be dissapointed
scarlet spear
i wish
slim summit
dafran signed to london spitfire
scarlet spear
his countdown goes down
slim summit
confirmed
spring lintel
I just wanna see dafran in OWL
scarlet spear
that sweet sweet tracking
balmy wolf
:ShanghaiDragons:
spring lintel
Jeabait emote would hilarious
slim summit
welp it's another countdown
magic zinc
ITS SOMBRA ALL OVER AGAIN
scarlet spear
god fuckin damnit
spring lintel
LOL
magic zinc
I'll wait until the song is over
What if he's jebaiting the jebait
OH NO
And he just goes offline again lmaooo
slim summit
what's aKm play
spring lintel
Fuck dude
deft valley
yea primarily hitscans
scarlet spear
rip Remixx
c9 playing the 8D underwater timetravel backgammon
buy all the good players and sell em for more money
slim summit
how many maps did fissure even play in stage 1
magic zinc
0
magic zinc
Says in the article
"He has not played a game for the Spitfire since the preseason of the Overwatch League on Dec. 8 against the Shock."
slim summit
lol
scarlet spear
fissure is big yeah
slim summit
did london pick up the biggest roster of very cheap players
so they could win stage 1 with their good players and use the rest as overpriced bargaining chips?
scarlet spear
doubt they were cheap to start with
fissure was kongdoo panthera
considered 2nd best korean team at that time
slim summit
glads have a few korean players already
spring lintel
Remember when lunatic hai was the best team LOL
scarlet spear
i imagine the language barrier is not that big
at least for proper playing together
slim summit
but who would London want from LAG?
slim summit
are we gonna know how much they get for each player?
scarlet spear
doubt it
slim summit
well shit
scarlet spear
need more wolf bombs
glacial sleet
dafrans back
scarlet spear
i wonder if the sayaplayer to florida announcement is true
cuz that would be a
but i remember him saying he didnt want to play in OWL
limber pine
i thought is "un-retirement" was official
or am i confusing that with somebody else?
limber pine
i meant sayaplayer
glacial sleet
damnit
scarlet spear
o no clue about him
glacial sleet
the triple jebait
scarlet spear
i remember hearing something that he didnt want to play in a non-korean team
but thats been a while ago and no clue whats been happening since then
would be a to see him in OWL
balmy wolf
I remember a while back that he said he would only go back if the stream doesn't work out
scarlet spear
oh thats a good call i totally forgot about them adding the coach
yeah
sounds reasonable
and would be
left fog
I don't think london will be receiving players
if anything the trades lighten the financial load for C9 jack
slim summit
they were just espousing the value of a 12 player roster 😦
maybe it's just bargaining tactic
left fog
at that point, like if you're good enough to be noticed and offered an OWL roster spot
and it's by a team you're not likely to get much play time
why the fk would you sign
If anyone saw those clips of Numlocked's stream
where he talks about his frustration at not being played or even getting to scrim with the Valiant because the starters are just that good
he isn't happy to collect paycheck
GrimReality too rip
and IDDQD
scarlet spear
yeah it seems really sad for all those people
left fog
Like if they're worse than the starters but are the backups for said starters
scarlet spear
i still think 12 man roster is really good for internal scrims
left fog
you want them up to par
scarlet spear
mendo 
left fog
like getting to just grind ranked and collect your OWL paycheck has got to be unsatisfying af
especially since anyone who made it to that point had to be extremely competitive, driven
glacial sleet
grimreality is a hitscan player right?
slim summit
so many good players not getting play time 😦 feelsbad
hopefully when we get more teams
some will be formed of existing OWL players
left fog
I think we're getting 4 for season 2
Utah probably, hopefully 1 canadian, then 2 EU
but with the news that since stage 1 saw rather nice success and the slot price getting tripled
¯_(ツ)_/¯
young sonnet
Slot plice tripled? Like so it's $60 mil for a team? Am i reading that right?
scarlet spear
why did gambler have a bad reputation ?
he was on LW before right ?
afaik Chicago is more or less confirmed as an OWL slot
slim summit
where has this chicago rumor come from
i remember people saying "yeah a chicago team would be great! we need one in the midwest!"
and then slowly that became "chicago is confirmed"
but i don't remember anything in the middle 🤷
limber pine
chicago was supposedly the 13th team, but Blizz couldn't find a 14th for an even number
IIRC
scarlet spear
magic zinc
So the Korean gossip is all true?
scarlet spear
thats a big pickup
awesomeguy was a winston main right ?
nice, really looking forward to stage 2 now
red anvil
slim summit
We'll have to see what happens to Shanghai too ...
scarlet spear
oh man sayaplayer is huge, so looking forward to mayhem performing now
and awesomeguy of course
magic zinc
I hope they like beef teryaki or they'll have trouble fitting in
balmy wolf
What team did SayaPlayer play for and what role does he play?
Would you say he is better than Logix and Tviq?
scarlet spear
saya is an insane hitscan player
i think taimou called him the best hitscan in the world
and that was during cocky taimou times
rascal & birdring
toxic yacht
Rip kdp :c
toxic yacht
Apex S2 kdp is dead, no single player on london
scarlet spear
i saw some video of sayaplayer playing aimhero before
that was really fuckin impressive
scarlet spear
i think he didnt want to at the start? dont remember it
balmy wolf
xQc and rascal have to get Along now
scarlet spear
didnt want to leave meta? something along those lines
toxic yacht
A few months ago a western team (prolly faze) offered saya a trialless spot
He declined because he didn't wanna leave korea
Dunno what changed his mind
night thunder
inb4 mayhem becomes #1 team
scarlet spear
toxic yacht
Awesomeguy was also on old LW Red with pine and nanohana aka fl0w3r
vestal mortar
Wew, so many announcements!
magic zinc
The biggest announcement was probably Dafran jebaiting us all and not having an announcement at all
Set up a timer and everything, the bastard
toxic yacht
I don't understand how people even believed that
but it was a great jebait
with everyone being in on it
magic zinc
Yeah his stream had 6k viewers lol
Hansuah you're Korean right?
Isn't it like... 4AM there?
What are you doing here n
spring lintel
Mickie and cocoo are kinda underwhelming
subtle fable
😏
soft jetty
dude
dallas and mayhem making moves out here
i think this new meta combined with the new editions of their teams are going to make them top tier
magic zinc
Is there really gonna be a new meta?
Very possible it'll just be old dive with Zen/Lucio
idle beacon
@toxic yacht what's that?
toxic yacht
montage of sayaplayer
idle beacon
and what does it play?
scarlet spear
that montage is watched it earlier
toxic yacht
it's a bunch of clips of saya edited together in a really nice way with music and shit
idle beacon
saya is?
toxic yacht
sayaplayer, mayhem's new pickup
ex-meta athena player
godlike hitscan
also, in PIT EU they played a ton of quad and triple tank
with moira/lucio
junk a ton
bit of reaper
dive was also present
sombra on 2cp again
vestal mortar
Sayaplayer 👌
toxic yacht
mercy sometimes
soft jetty
yea florida all of the sudden looks like theyre gonna cause damage in stage 2
toxic yacht
BEAT was more dive heavy though
soft jetty
that team even without the new additions was one of the top tier eu teams in 2017
toxic yacht
well, they only were top tier EU right before OWL
soft jetty
i know
scarlet spear
they got boddied by gigantti aswell tho
toxic yacht
before that it was 
idle beacon
so saya is a person?
scarlet spear
they were top tier in EU because the other teams were rather meh tbh
scarlet spear
true
soft jetty
not as much as dhak
scarlet spear
true
soft jetty
dhak is biggest mercy bot 
scarlet spear
could've replaced Dhak with the Mercy bot AI and it would've been an improvement 
soft jetty
LUL
scarlet spear
when he gets back to lucio tho
soft jetty
yesssss
im so excited to get out of this stupid fucking meta and watch these support players play actual 
heroes
i wonder what’s going to be run on junkertown
since that is the most off meta map
although we won’t see it in stage 2
magic zinc
Well its not in OWL so
Protect the President will still be popular probably, no Mercy means no resses which makes defending harder
toxic yacht
pirate ship was only really good on junkertown
solid spear
and that comp is worse without Mercy not better
toxic yacht
but yeah overall dive is still really strong
pretty high chance of it shifting back to standard dive after this
young sonnet
fuck no
balmy wolf
exactly
young sonnet
Fuck facebook and all their shit
I only have facebook to talk with close relatives. The less time i have to spend on that garbage site the better.
scarlet spear
anyone or anything trying to push esports/streaming to facebook can fuck right off and will never get my views
limber pine
isn't CSGO doing that
young sonnet
Correct me if i'm wrong but didn't it also get bad viewership?
scarlet spear
probably
i only read about the fuckup they had with the DMCAs of the twitch restreams
where they broke volvos rules
red raptor
Valiants are the best
left fog
I want mayhem dafran BabyRage
wintry roost
I saw some titles talking about dafran joining mayhem. Is this true?
scarlet spear
nope, he was Jebaiting
minor tiger
He just wants to rep mcdonalds in the owl
grizzled mulch
jebait
spring lintel
Troll
sick badge
agh
whatever
trying to convince my friend
took a long ass time inspect elementing that
dusk garden
does anyone know if rascal is actually going to fuel?
limber pine
god are ppl still fallng for Dafran's antics?
dusk garden
man im gonna have to reset all my team hates n shit
spring lintel
LOL elk is a pro
I glocked his ass as zen
I thought he was just a normal t500
But then again he is not a tracer player
slim summit
Was WhoRU confirmed to be signing to Dallas
or confirmed not to be
I can't remember or find a link
spring lintel
I think he is in contract for fusion main team as well
slim summit
He just played a decent Genji on King's Row ... but Fusion doesn't exactly need a Genji
dusk garden
if dafran gets signed to mayhem im going to [insert disgusting action here]
slim summit
it's confirmed that he isn't
dusk garden
proof?
slim summit
he literally said on stream "this was all a huge jebait, i can't believe so many people fell for it, i'm not going into OWL"
after having one countdown lead to another countdown
dusk garden
im sad now
delicate mural
Jeezy Creezy.
limber pine
http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/22427139/sources-gambler-anamo-set-join-dynasty-excelsior-owl
fresh arrow
spring lintel
Quick question, are they benching one of the dps?
Cause I am not familiar with the new players
Are they all tanks/support?
spring lintel
I now believe with all my heart that r/COW are mostly plat
Never seen this much ignorance in a single post
left fog
COW can be really bad sometimes but I will still default there for discussion over bnet forums
deft valley
that ignorance being disagreeing with you?
also not esports
left fog
Bnet forum is a tool to assist your own suicide
I think moira's visual clutter is quite bad for the OWL spectating experience
which is, of course, extremely important
deft valley
it's also bad for overwatch playing experience
it's just bad
left fog
yeah agreed
but to give the complaints a comparable factor for validity is why i mention spectating
OW is already hard to spectate for most people
even if you play the game
spring lintel
@deft valley ignorance as barely anyone see how OP moira is
left fog
now you have the kamehameha yellow purple laser
deft valley
you can just say yes
spring lintel
And also that they think her damage beam is OP is hilarious
left fog
On one hand I'm glad a support can actually fend for themselves against flankers reliably
but at the same time autoaim makes me BabyRage
spring lintel
On the other hand how do you shut the healers down
The game is all about shutting the healers down
A single hog can destroy a whole team if he was being pocketed by an ana
left fog
Just adjust the range on her right click a bit and it'll probably be fine
spring lintel
Never had problems with her right clicks personally and i am a flanker player
left fog
like a few people pointed out in the comments, some maps you cannot escape from her rightclick using mobile abilities
deft valley
the range argument isn't for flankers
it's so that she can't recharge from the backline
spring lintel
She shouldnt be able to
deft valley
hence the argument to nerf range, thanks for following along
spring lintel
If both teams got shields or the team is diving
There shouldnt be a chance for her
deft valley
and what do you know we've found a way to shut her down
spring lintel
The team is gonna win the fight before that can happen
Resources is the only thing that holds her back
deft valley
sure sounds like you're working from "moira is op" rather than towards it
spring lintel
But it’s very simple to win the fight fast or just get resources
deft valley
but okay whatever you believe
spring lintel
Your argument is that she is not OP cause she takes resources
deft valley
she'll probably get nerfed anyway because complaints about healers always get their way
spring lintel
But why would resources matter if you just roll them in the first 10 seconds by brute forcing it with healing?
Contenders trials are live now
delicate mural
I think her orbs will probably end up slightly nerfed. I don't see her range being an issue.
scarlet spear
Twilight (ex. BK stars) to runAway
vestal mortar
👀
magic zinc
Ohhh the new Shanghai signings wont arrive till mid-Stage 2
I assume we won't be seeing them for all of stage 2 because you can't really scrim your way into the line-up in ~2 weeks
vale oyster
im the best overwatch player im at 2 sr
orchid herald
that means ur #2 in the world right?
balmy wolf
lmao
slim summit
Visa issues
scarlet spear
as is tradition
slim summit
Dallas, Valiant, Gladiators, Shock, Seoul, Boston are their opponents in the first 3 weeks
could be worse but could be a lot better
also is it just me or is Dallas not playing against Houston next stage??
novel meadow
Dallas don't play Houston I'm stage 2
scarlet spear
each team doesnt play 1 team each stage
drowsy fulcrum
me some days "I baked about 100 cookies and they all came out amazingly"
me today "I burnt an oven pizza but still ate it"
solid spear
Ok?
limber pine
who is choiiii
knotty field
pearl stratus
I'm both sad and happy for Rascal.
He wanted to play more, since London only played him one map really.
But Fuel 😦
knotty field
IMO I don’t think fuel needs more DPS
pearl stratus
Unless they're planning on getting rid of some.
knotty field
Especially since they just signed AKM
pearl stratus
And are picking up replacements before doing so.
Taimou was crazy inconsistent in Stage 1.
And so was Seagull, tbf.
solid spear
@blazing parrot 
pearl stratus
I'm also sad Shanghai isn't getting the replacements they need till like..
Stage 3, lol
pearl stratus
I hope London plays more of their D'va in Stage 2.
solid spear
blame Jack
pearl stratus
They were really good, and I barely even knew they were there till the stage 1 finals.
blazing parrot
@solid spear of course ill blame jack