Would any other team be able to pull off three map substitutions in a row against seoul? Even if it's back to back the same players?
#esports-discussion
sullen berry
It would probably work for Shanghai switching into fiveking, but that's because I have yet to see altering perform above and beyond casual mercy play
hidden vault
Would fiveking be able to play better then altering
After all he is a lucio main
MG and freefreel aren't doing as well either
sullen berry
5king adapted to the mercy meta better than altering, that's not saying he is bad at mercy. They should look at other supports in China, even if another pro Ana/zen main is just really hard to come by
I can tell MG is getting better over time, but the gap between dps duo Diya and undead is hard to build upon
scarlet spear
there was a rumor of them signing the MY support
dusty surge
#notMYsupport
idle beacon
@gaunt acorn you mean jake by that?
balmy wolf
It's not "Cute Orisa" icon?
Cute icons added with the "Cosmetics update" which also included Blizzard World
young sonnet
What's up hombres
toxic yacht
Twitter
vestal mortar
Why, what is he doing now?
young sonnet
Being a turd probably.
young sonnet
Fire i've got your issue where the chat stops scrolling for like 10 minutes 
magic zinc
For me it was that the chat scrolled just fine but my messages just arrived 10 minutes later
magic zinc
I restarted Discord a few times and it just fixed itself after a while
feral wing
xqc is about to get banned till stage 3 with what he just said lol
young sonnet
What'd he say?
feral wing
''prime sub, welcome to the jungle''
on a serious note though
it was a terrible joke
although he did apparently say something
probably along the lines of last time
young sonnet
Dude needs to get a PR team before he ends up getting kicked out and banned for life.
young sonnet
I mean with papa jeff announcing that they are looking at social media to ban people. How can he be that stupid?
feral wing
oof
spring lintel
He doesn’t want to be a pro
Lets face it
He is super popular as a streamer and doesn’t need the pitiful amount he is been given in owl
Compared to streaming, being a pro sucks
young sonnet
Then why accept the contract?
vestal mortar
Maybe he thought it was a meme contract
young sonnet
"Sir please sign here" "Ok what's the small print" "Become a joke in OWL and get banned in stage 1" "Deal!"
spring lintel
Nothing bad
young sonnet
Dunno said something on stream apparently
young sonnet
Yh we all know sponsors like controversial stuff
vestal mortar
Well early on iirc, he also thought he would be able to stream during practice hours if he was sitting out on scrims before he got suspended.
spring lintel
Whenever be starts talking about something controversial, the whole chat is trying to stop him from talking.
vestal mortar
So he didn't really understand what he was signing up for
spring lintel
Yeah i think he doesn’t like being a pro anymore
I dunno why any famous streamer would go pro
Being w streamer is better in the long run too
vestal mortar
Gonna pull a Dafran in Stage 2
spring lintel
LOL I honestly think he is starting to do it on purpose
scarlet spear
i mean with his stream numbers he easily makes more money from streaming than his OWL career
spring lintel
Just to get fired
scarlet spear
probably is
spring lintel
Yeah
And being a streamer you can play other games too and not be pressured to be good and compete
And it’s not like owl contracts are that good
It’s just like a normal good salary/job
magic zinc
OWL Contract + Streaming must be pretty nice though
scarlet spear
with an unsure future aswell
spring lintel
Not worth it imo
Streaming has a better future too
I completely understand small streamers and good players going pro
But top streamers going pro is just baffling
Specially in OWL
scarlet spear
yeah
magic zinc
I mean
scarlet spear
calvin for example
magic zinc
People are ambitious
scarlet spear
would make no sense for him to go pro imo
magic zinc
If it backfires they just go back to streaming
spring lintel
Yeah unless they give them a shit ton of money
scarlet spear
thats why famous streamers never take time off
spring lintel
Your popularity fall so much
scarlet spear
because you can lose a lot of exposure/viewership just by going on a 2 week vacation
vestal mortar
Unless you're Doc
spring lintel
LOL i was gonna say that
Unless you are super fucking popular
And with drama and shit
scarlet spear
drama is good for viewership tho
if he was some rando guy he wouldnt have gotten that viewership now
magic zinc
Dafran seems to be doing well nowadays idk
young sonnet
I don't think drama is good for viewership on twitch IMO
magic zinc
If you're that big of a streamer, people will probably be loyal enough and come back if you come back to streaming
young sonnet
Cause you just get a cancerous chat that is constantly putting you down
spring lintel
Dafran is insane and he is getting back his aim
scarlet spear
dafran is controversial aswell tho
same thing
banned by blizzard
throwing on stream
spring lintel
Yeah
scarlet spear
if xQc was banned from OWL now
spring lintel
He is now super PMA
scarlet spear
he would probably get even more viewers
spring lintel
Calvin is actually only huge in nightime
scarlet spear
for a short while at least
spring lintel
In normal peak times he gets like 3k
scarlet spear
well calvins schedule is pretty fucked tbh
but he has a good amount of subscribers
spring lintel
Dude they literally need one guy to watch xqc’s stream and he will ban so many thrower
young sonnet
No but he said in that video that blizzard now looks at youtube to ban people. Unless you already know that.
Plus i believe they have other methods that they're not saying
Oh wait he did respond to that thread i'm an idiot.
scarlet spear
he did indeed
pretty embarassing considering xQc said he literally emailed them video evidence
and nothing happened
young sonnet
Beat is on POGGERs
scarlet spear
finally somethin to watch
magic zinc
Loving the variety we're seeing so far, hopefully this meta doesn't become just quad tank or whatever
lethal tendon
You love variety but only want to see quad tank?
magic zinc
oops I mistyped that
lethal tendon
My mistake carry on
deft valley
it probably will lmao
scarlet spear
Kaiser stable internet and playing today 
young sonnet
Boi
balmy wolf
yeah he should join dallas fuel
scarlet spear
he doesnt want to play professionaly
and fuel signed AKM, they dont really need him
dusty surge
Or do they? 👀
balmy wolf
fuel should still sign him. AKM NOKM.
scarlet spear
balmy wolf
also I wish xQc played some more
dallas fuel had to be all like "ohhhh were finna increase his punishement because we can uhmp!"
brisk roost
Yeah I'm rooting for Fuel against Dragons yo xD!
balmy wolf
I love NYXL
fiery reef
So im looking at the Stage 1 title matches ... so each team that wins gets the 125k$? My question then is .. is it like top 2 ATL teams complete then top 2 PAC teams complete?
fiery reef
what d oyo umean exactly? how do you do a top 3? number 1 team doesn't fight, 2 and 3 fight and winner of 2 and 3 fights 1?
deft valley
top 3 on the match record, then map record as tiebreaker
and the matches yes
first 2 and 3 play each other in first match
then the winner plays 1 in second match
fiery reef
What I mean is. Game 1 = Team A vs Team B .... Team C doesn't have a game 1. Team C plays winner of Team A/ B. Is that not what you meant?
fiery reef
yeah thats what I just typed
narrow dew
yea
fiery reef
thats what I wanted to hear ty
rare sonnet
I already can't wait for the OWL season 1 final game and we are barely at the end of stage 1
one long ass game the will hopefully go down to the wire
brisk roost
It's in the summer which is great
I don't have to worry about school stuff lol
Just sit back and relax to watch the finals
green sierra
Good day, Chat.
can anyone explaing, what i'm missing? so far each team on OWL played 8 matches. next week they will play 2 matches more for total 10 matches. BUT isn't it should be 11 matches overall for each team? 🤔
deft valley
no, it's not a full round-robin
deft valley
pretty sure some cfb conferences have something like that
10 teams / 8 game schedule
it's not that important though
they'll be covered in next stages, and there's supposed to be an expansion for s2
green sierra
ok. thank you for answer.
slim summit
fun fact: the team they don't play in each stage is from the other division
sullen berry
@green sierra mm, there are 11 games for the teams who are playing the title match at the end of each stage
delicate mural
The New England Patriots included the Boston Uprising in this tweet of local sports teams.
What even is this world anymore.
whole mulch
deft valley
it's because their owner also owns the uprising lmao
that's it
but yea the exposure will probably do good
that said I'm looking forward to Philly Kicks Boston's Ass Round 2 this weekend
fresh arrow
Philly v Boston will be interesting
Sharpe carry Fusion more than people realise, so if Fragi and Poko/HOTBA don't step up, it could be another 0-4
quaint stirrup
Jake is mad because he is bad
slim summit
carpe & shadow make the plays
like they make 50% of all plays in the league
it's unreal
and it's made them probably my favorite team
but i only root for them when it's not against my true love, 
lyric pivot
Korea?
uncut moon
Carpe, Shadowburn, Fleta, Hooreg and Pine are probably the players I like to see the spectator camera on especially when they're popping off
For tanks it's Poko, Envy, Miro
Support, 100% jjonak
vagrant jacinth
Absolutely love watching Carpe and shadowburn play
Yeah, jjonak is amazing as support
slim summit
I'm super excited for this week's matches
oooo baby
Dragons vs Fuel will be a good match, Valiant vs Seoul will be a good match, Fusion vs Uprising will be a good match, Spitfire vs Outlaws will be a godo match, NYXL vs London will be a good match, Houston vs Boston will be a good match
then we have the title matches
vestal mortar
Imagine if Dragons get their first win against Fuel
young sonnet
I will be ecstatic if that happens 
pine star
What is it with this #BabybayChallenge all over Twitter wtf
balmy wolf
@pine star Basically for every person that does the challenge (which is pose like babybay) they will donate money to the local children’s mental disabilities organizations in San Francisco
It’s for a good cause
jagged crater
which players havent had a single minute in the regular season yet?
numlocked and grim from VAL
mistakes, avast, and snow from boston
mendo from houston
iddqd, sinatraa/super (underaged) from SF
eqo, snillo (underaged), sado (suspended) from philly
think xqc played in 1 map before he got suspended
feelsbenchedman
spring lintel
Stage 1 winner is between spitfire and nyxl
Stage 2 is gonna be seoul i bet
I just think seoul have the better tank line up
magic zinc
Zunba's Zarya ❤
jagged crater
if zarya gets back into the meta, hopefully spree gets some playtime too
spring lintel
Quad/triple tank is meta af right now
Dive is still there but the tanks are coming back
I estimate that moira will get nerfed in 3-5 months
raven violet
Someone signed Geguri appantly so a Korean speaking team is going to have a god like Zarya next season
spring lintel
Nope
magic zinc
No they didn't really
magic zinc
Geguri said she'd go to a foreign team that can be anyone
And OWL Administration said she wasn't registered (yet)
raven violet
AHH the articles lied to me ;-;
jagged crater
good zarya yes, godlike zarya dont know for sure yet
magic zinc
Its kinda sad because Geguri herself said she doesn't want to be seen as 'that female OW pro'
But yet that's all people talk about
jagged crater
there are plenty of good zaryas in OWL too, we just havent seen much of them
because she hasnt been meta
magic zinc
She's also still 17 right? Wouldn't be able to play in OWL yet anyway
magic zinc
Yeah ofc
jagged crater
havent seen geguri go against top teams enough to evaluate her
spring lintel
Just watched a video real quick and my tracking is better than her on zarya, not sure why they are calling her an aimbotter
spring lintel
I heard that yeah
jagged crater
that's a really old video
spring lintel
Yeah
jagged crater
back when tracking like that looked really odd
especially early days of korean overwatch when a lot of good players used very high sens
she prob toned it down a bit
spring lintel
Dude the difference is so huge in skill now
Like playing genji is so much harder than in the past
jagged crater
a lot of people that aren't familiar with pro OW want geguri signed because she's female, not necessarily cuz of her skill
slim summit
bound to happen
jagged crater
geguri doesnt like that
slim summit
I remember starcraft 2's first few tournaments
jagged crater
slayers signed a female
slim summit
the winners then would be maybe diamond players now 😛
slim summit
in a few more years our overwatch league teams will look like scrubs & throwers
jagged crater
also she's 18 if liquidpedia is correct
17 in KR years
18 everywhere else, which i assume what OWL uses xD
nvm she'd be 19 in KR got that backwards
btw in the case of starcraft 2, slayers signed a female player that was ranked Diamond
which is equivalent to a Master in OW in terms of percentile
you can MAYBE get away with a master player in a tier 2/3 team in OW that plays mercy
but in StarCraft 2, no way
jagged crater
A master (in OW percentile) wouldnt make deep into an open tournament in starcraft
not even close
grizzled mulch
daily reminder that foreign teams doesn't neccessarily means NA or EU
balmy wolf
Any advice for nerves? Doing my first tournament tonight as a free agent and got put into a team
pearl stratus
Don't play symmetra.
balmy wolf
This is my first time in this sort of enviroment so its gonna be really interesting ☺️
grizzled mulch
Meanwhile, regarding Geguri, people should stop jumping on her news tbh
otherwise
you are scaring the poor girl away from the fucking sport
pearl stratus
With any news until its confirmed it doesn't matter.
balmy wolf
Geguri isn't that amazing in comparison to other god tier zayra players. Plus she'll prob get picked up into the academy/Contenders squads
grizzled mulch
won't stop people from thinking that she is signed to OWL and then clickbait using A REDDITOR'S SPECULATION to prove that she is OWL signed
pearl stratus
Can't scare the poor girl so badly that the OWL people have to come out and tell you it didn't happen.
grizzled mulch
it is insane. Let the girl play, and don't treat her like a fucking statistic
you fucking morons
pearl stratus
You don't understand how bad the SJW hitch onto her is right now, its both great and pathetic at the same time.
I got told last night I was racist and sexist for watching OWL.
balmy wolf
@balmy wolf When I was scrimmed I was nervous too. During downtimes I played some nice calming music in between rounds to calm down.
pearl stratus
Because there's no PoC or Women.
balmy wolf
oh cmon not this ping again
pearl stratus
This was during QP.
It was baffling.
Especially since there's an ethiopian in the league 😛
grizzled mulch
oh i fucking do. A league that actually have more Asian players than Western players are considered to be not diverse enough
maybe Asian is not PoC then oh wait 
pearl stratus
So these people are so hell bent on hitting these imaginary target numbers they don't care about the people behind the numbers.
They just want a woman in OWL.
grizzled mulch
either way, SJW and clickbait hitching to Geguri is just bad. Nothing good will come out of this. And those idiots won't be the one that watching the product.
pearl stratus
It also says nothing about the girl herself.
grizzled mulch
nah they knows that she is good enough to be in OWL /s
pearl stratus
Geguri is good enough for OWL, objectively so.
grizzled mulch
or how OW has all these womens that are just as skillful as men that deserved a spot in OWL /s
does fucking Noukky have to come out of the woodwork to tell these asshole to shut up
honestly
pearl stratus
But you need a team that can manage that properly, and with the right team that can also handle her past cheating accusation etc.
Also housing needs to be something to think of, for posterity sake as well.
grizzled mulch
here's the thing: signing her might even be a detrimental because it would become a media circus
and also, when she was in Rox, they has to paid to get a house with a seperate room for her
pearl stratus
It would right now, because of the association. Because if you sign her and don't play her?
grizzled mulch
that alone drive up cost
pearl stratus
You're the team that got a girl just to get a girl, but now she's not playing.
grizzled mulch
oh yeah i can already see that happen
pearl stratus
So you pandered, you're an evil team.
grizzled mulch
"OWL is sexist for not letting Geguri play"
and the snowball will continues until the cows come home
pearl stratus
When people really should be proud of the fact that for the most part OWL has been inclusive and protective of its players
grizzled mulch
maybe OWL needs their own version of Team Siren tbh
pearl stratus
xQc threw out a homosexual remark about Muma - it was in the heat of the moment and honestly probably 90% not meant at all, but they handled it.
There was no fuss or muss about Muma being homosexual, no spotlight story.
He's just a player on a team.
That's how it should be handled.
grizzled mulch
yeah well too bad
OWL is the latest gravy train
with tumblr having high hope on it
so something will have to come to a head soon
spring lintel
New kephri drama
forest wharf
north tendon
@spring lintel what is it this time lol
spring lintel
He threw in a tourney laaawl
scarlet spear
how do you even refuse to swap off sym in a tourney match
thats some next lvll retarded stuff
north tendon
lmao
yea that worked out for sin in WC
cause pro play is like solo queue
legend says you will get better aim if you are in the center of that hug
jagged crater
the jig is up
balmy wolf
How to fix dallas fuel
Play this on repeat on their quarters
Make them do the goku yell before every game
Profit
jagged crater
spitfire profit
jagged crater
welp
jagged crater
that's interesting, do the shanghai players know english ? This is like double language barrier
I've never heard the shanghai players speak english
oo article says the koreans will learn mandarin, that's a tough one
fresh arrow
i'd imagine that up until now, their comms would have been in mandarin
throwing in a player with basic mandarin skills would probably impact their teamwork severely
see: fuel
jagged crater
fuel?
fresh arrow
except fuel just can't communicate clearly in general
not so much about the language barriers
jagged crater
fuel's played together vs decent teams with success before OWL
dont know why they're having comm issues now
and effect's english has gotten very good
fresh arrow
like i said, it's not literally just language barriers in fuel
it was just an example of what happens when comms go bad
although apparently, geguri does speak chinese
¯_(ツ)_/¯
the article says that there are two more koreans signed to SHD as well
so we'll see how it goes
jagged crater
3 koreans + 1 chinese
knowing chinese will help for sre
next step is if the new players can fix the team's structure
balmy wolf
it's good to see a woman in the overwatch pro scene
I only saw one in the hearthstone pro scene but that's another game
magic zinc
I was deffo not expecting Shanghai
jagged crater
maybe there werent other options
she knows chinese, not english
full korean teams are not in need of any flex player
balmy wolf
the hearthstone pro, baize is also chinese
jagged crater
it's either shanghai or a korean contenders team, i would def choose an OWL team even tho it's bottom of the barrel
for financial security at least
and a chance to prove herself on the big stage
fresh arrow
from the article: "The three South Korean players do not speak the language, but are expected to begin learning as much as they can in time for their debut."
so geguri doesn't speak chinese
major RIP
magic zinc
That is pretty odd
Why not try to get them all to learn English? Helps future signings too
jagged crater
time to learn mandarin i guess xD
fresh arrow
getting three people to learn mandarin is easier than making a whole team learn english
jagged crater
as an asian, do you think it's harder to learn another asian language or english?
fresh arrow
am asian: i found french easier than chinese
but i hated chinese class so w/e
it depends on your first language imo
jagged crater
fortunately they only have to speak and listen, not write it
magic zinc
Oh ofc its easier short term, but in the long run English might be better especially if you're getting player swaps and what not
jagged crater
ive heard some intersting ways internationally mixed teams deal with language barriers
in CSGO, i remember an American player joined a Russian team last minute to play a tournament. There was no time to actually learn russian so what the team did was callout letters & numbers to designate spots and strats whenever the american player was alive
super super basic stuff
and team didnt do too bad
scarlet spear
oh wow, definitely wouldnt have thought shanghai
magic zinc
I was thinking Academy team tbh, she isnt old enough yet right?
magic zinc
Ohhh neato
scarlet spear
so she can play asap starting stage 2
jagged crater
methinks yesgh
magic zinc
Hmmm I reckon she needs a few weeks to scrim and get into the swing of things
scarlet spear
?
spring lintel
That geguri won’t be in OWL?
scarlet spear
never heard about that one
civic marsh
brisk roost
Lmfao deadass dead
tawny sigil
Capture the flag OWL 2019
sullen berry
if they bring it back for post-season entertainment with copa lucioball
I say hey now
what a time to be alive
jake on competitive ctf
fresh arrow
i would greatly prefer it if jake weren't part of the all-star weekend but at this point i'm just going to have to prepare to be salty about it
compact lily
console owl lol never
brisk roost
^No one pointed that out lol
molten skiff
heard geguri is went SHD
im dynasty fan, but if geguri gets to play against dynasty when xepher's playing, I'm going to cheer for SHD
red anvil
xepher and geguri have probably squared up
however i dont quite get why xepher was picked up in the first place
molten skiff
Damn
red anvil
eh @gaunt acorn https://twitter.com/cnnjmyh/status/961116721078788097
Twitter
May is the one that have always reliable chinese information from the scene
and if she says he's not a reliable source, then it's true.
gaunt acorn
red anvil
Also i dont wane say who, but one of the korean player overspoke apparently said that he knew she was joining
so for now, i would conclude that she is in
gaunt acorn
i really wish she got signed to NYXL or something
red anvil
NYXL would be a better match
red anvil
NYXL lack a sub off tank
i am annoyed, especially since there will be a bunch of sexist comments blaming her for them doing badly
red anvil
hidden vault
https://twitter.com/ESPN_Esports/status/961004325928660992
really? is she gonna carry them?
nvm I saw the above discussion
toxic pasture
Boston uprising very good
subtle fable
i dont trust chinese sources. 
hidden vault
yeah why join SHD 🤷
deft valley
because being in OWL > not being in OWL
subtle fable
ive already heard about shanghai team from ado's streaming chat a long time ago.
deft valley
if she wasn't "pretty good", she wouldn't get an offer from anyone in owl
subtle fable
at that time, ado, geguri, and fearless often did duo.
so i believe espn is right but just wait till official news.
deft valley
And re: nyxl, it's unsubstantiated
then again neither is the shanghai thing so far, so
scarlet spear
NYXL/SD have meko/zunba.. no reason to really pick her up other than riding the bench 90% of the time
red anvil
NYXL having a dedicated off tank as backup woulent be bad for them
she wouldent have fit inside Seoul
but they should have picked up her instead of xephyr
red anvil
because of xephyr
no xephyr, and she would be alright but xephyr in the most strict sense fits the team better
but i hold no respect towards that guy
hidden vault
Why though?
scarlet spear
he accused geguri of cheating before
red anvil
- the geguri case, he threatened with violence
- he's just not impressed me in any of the games he have played for Seoul
If it was just accusing of cheating, that would been fine. People have accused babybay in OWL of cheating that is drinking beer with him now
hidden vault
He didn't apologise?
hidden vault
They said they would quit right?
red anvil
yup
hidden vault
Who were they?
red anvil
Xephyr and another guy that did quit if i recall correctly
hidden vault
But honestly why did they accuse her though
deft valley
because the way she plays, plus the way spectator mode carries small jitters, make it look very fucky
the accusations were actually kinda reasonable until she showed how she does it
the way she aims does look like aimbot
deft valley
yep
high sens, close tracking, and rapid adjustments
it also causes jitter/noise
but (iirc) spectator mode smoothes it down
so it looks much cleaner which makes it look like aimbot rather than high sens
deft valley
flower’s is similar but not as extreme, and even that is very uncommon
grizzled mulch
it is not a "secret aiming technique"
ffs
it is a by product of a. high sens and b. tighten your hand so much that your aiming become rigid
magic zinc
I mean the video has to get the clicks somehow, lol
deft valley
bruh you’re arguing against a youtube thumbnail
grizzled mulch
no i'm arguing about the entire premise of that video that there's some secret aiming technique involves
I watched that shit.
lyric pivot
I went through that power rankings link. And I don't even care about any of it because I was too busy being destracted by that hot ass asian chick at the bottom of the page who was rooting for the Dragons. Literally one of the hotest chinese chicks I've seen in my life.
vestal mortar
Uhh
forest raven
subtle fable
so many power rankings every week
i need power ranking of power rankings right now
anyway ive just see conversation above and it seems like there's a misunderstanding
xepher did not threaten anyone and he didnot accused geguri of cheating.
man who threatened was his teammate, strobe, and ELTA joined the malicious propaganda
xepher, flower, and janus were in the same voice chat room in that situation
forest raven
That's also what I've been told by someone involved in the Korean community
subtle fable
i knew some koreans have given inaccurate facts to reddit.
maybe unintentionally or for fun
what xepher has done wrong is that he has tolerated other threats, overcame the retirement promised by his captain.
red anvil
hmnn that certainly explains it
was curious how they could put Xepher on Seoul after that shit
subtle fable
xepher was kicked out of korea and went to c9 but he has a very good network within korean pros and streamers
and he's famous for a lot of practice
i think that seems to be good for coaches
red anvil
But exactly why did the Korean community go after him and not Flower and Janus?
if they were all in the same call
subtle fable
there are unidentified back stories about flower
idle beacon
so i just read that geguri has been aquired by an OWL team
or will be
does anyone know what team?
pearl stratus
Shanghai.
subtle fable
SD
pearl stratus
They picked up three korean players, apparently.
idle beacon
u must be kiddin me?
subtle fable
i cant say which SD
pearl stratus
First team to purposefully cross borders from a single nationality.
idle beacon
so the dragons bought geguri?
subtle fable
everyone say
idle beacon
i thought some na team
idle beacon
lel
pearl stratus
Deal not fully confirmed.
idle beacon
but she's sweet
pearl stratus
You have to think about who needs what.
lyric pivot
Dont be fooled, that's a boy.
pearl stratus
Besides Dallas most teams don't need a tank.
Houston isn't going to replace Muma or Coolmatt, they play too well together, etc.
subtle fable
it could be a joke, but ado made it clear.
pearl stratus
You wouldn't want Geguri on a team with xQc.
He'd do something even more retarded.
So you get Shanghai.
It makes perfect sense.
pearl stratus
You don't know the terms of his contract, so that's not a real statement.
lyric pivot
But who would pair beset with xQc? Has he ever meshed well with another tank?
pearl stratus
For all we know he signed a three year contract, and buying him out is too expensive to deal with.
Etc. etc.
We don't have the context for it.
idle beacon
you can bench him forever
pearl stratus
But putting a woman on his team with his track record is disaster.
idle beacon
so
pearl stratus
Then you're just wasting 50k a year.
idle beacon
who cares?
pearl stratus
The person who pays it?
idle beacon
ye
pearl stratus
You want to pay his salary?
idle beacon
as if he doesnt have a shitload of money
this shit happened in football teams often enough
if a player is just fuckin up too hard, you bench him .. if you can't sell him
pearl stratus
The amount of money football teams bring in versus an OWL isn't really comparable.
pearl stratus
It'd be a stupid acquisition.
subtle fable
scrim partner?
pearl stratus
And she'd honestly be stupid to take it.
Why would you go to a shit team that shows no improvement.
idle beacon
its not like fuel relies on him .. it's the other way around
subtle fable
xqc is tank, geguri is offtank why cant?
lyric pivot
I dont see a problem there
idle beacon
so dragons isn't a shit team? 😃
lyric pivot
^
pearl stratus
Note the: That shows no improvement.
idle beacon
ye .. i didnt see any improvement from SD
lyric pivot
Dragons aren't showing improvement either
There probably would be improvement from Fuels side if xQc didn't mess up to start with. If he actually played.
I don't think the tanks on fuel atm are as "get it" as xQc is.
pearl stratus
The problem is they probably won't be, ever.
idle beacon
i dont really understand the hype about xQc .. he blows
pearl stratus
Because its pretty obvious most of the team he plays with doesn't really enjoy playing with him much anymore.
Fuel is Effect and Friends right now.
idle beacon
was a very false investment from the dallas fuel heads
pearl stratus
Mickie isn't a great D'va, that's not really an argument.
lyric pivot
That's my point
pearl stratus
He's a great personality.
But his mechanical skill on D'va is missing some.
But lately their comp literally revolves around "Protect Effect"
Its like watching Babybay.
idle beacon
they should stick with taimou on hog
pearl stratus
He doesn't play well with them though.
lyric pivot
Well he hasn't had that chance to .
pearl stratus
Even when he did, he never looked impressive.
Yushu on Shanghai looked and played better than him on Winston. He's too aggressive and tilts too quickly.
lyric pivot
the whole team didn't look impressive.
idle beacon
he's prolly a stubborn ego player
pearl stratus
Hell, we got to watch Seoul trigger him in the first game and he got to crumble on live stream.
It was impressive.
lyric pivot
Granted, the first match of the season...
pearl stratus
Trigger him on purpose too.
lyric pivot
Was against one of the best teams in the league
pearl stratus
Which the first two rounds they held their own against.
Then he got triggered.
And they got slaughtered.
Because you can't win a 5v6.
The Ana Sleep -> D'va Ult right ontop of him was hilarious.
lyric pivot
I dont think you're giving him enough credit. Then again he hasn't had the play time on stage with this team to obtain any kind of credit. We've barely seen him up there.
idle beacon
it was xqc's fault fuel lost anubis .. they really had a chance gettin back on the point .. taimou still alive .. and xQc jumping off .. instead of using his bubble .. taimou his heal .. to win more time
pearl stratus
We have seen him play though. Dallas Fuel isn't a new team.
It's EnvyUS. There's literally no reason for him to not play cohesively.
pearl stratus
No, but its adding a single person to a roster.
It's not a crazy mingling of all new people like Houston.
lyric pivot
To me it just sounds like you don't like him.
subtle fable
he was arc 6
pearl stratus
I don't like him, I think he's great on SoloQ, but I think his fanboys defend him hard and give him too much slack.
forest raven
Cocco and xQc are like the two polar opposites on the spectrum of player behaviour
pearl stratus
He's overrated because he's got a toxic personality and people latch onto it on stream.
lyric pivot
Idk, I've watched him the last 2 weeks and he's bee fine.
forest raven
Cocco made his name as the best passive tank in the world and xQc has always had aggression on the level of Miro and Fragi
lyric pivot
been* even
pearl stratus
His decision making isn't the level of Miro though, which is where he suffers in this type of play.
idle beacon
fragi aggressions? 😮
pearl stratus
Fragi too, for that same reason.
Fragi is a really not good Winston, lol
But he also doesn't enjoy Winston.
He just plays it because its meta.
idle beacon
you mean aggresive tank?
forest raven
In the words of Reinforce, there are two types of tank players
Retards, and cowards
Fragi is not a coward
idle beacon
lol lily 😄
lyric pivot
sounds like we have a Dynasty Fanboi
pearl stratus
It's not a kill feed if Fragi's not first on it, lol
Poor guy.
Leap dead, so often.
pearl stratus
I miss Fragi's Rein.
lyric pivot
no, that's the problem. Everyone is too fucking static on Fuel. lol
idle beacon
i miss geguri
pearl stratus
Fuels problem is the meta doesn't work with their hero choices, and none of them could adapt well.
And they can't use their own players effectively because they have horrible overlap and cohesion.
So we get Searat protecting Effect in 90% of situations now.
Instead of getting a Genji or other projectile.
forest raven
Cocco isn't confident on Winston at all, Mickie's struggled since D.va became more offence oriented, and Chips doesn't get to play Ana or Zen and Harry doesn't get to play Lucio
pearl stratus
If they played a more collapse oriented dive they could make Cocco work though.
Counter dive can work.
pearl stratus
They have one, but because of bad overlap he can't play it.
lyric pivot
They have one.
forest raven
Seagull isn't playing his Genji, so while they technically have one, they aren't using it
pearl stratus
They honestly should gut and get rid of a bunch of their roster, yeah.
forest raven
I did not say that
forest raven
This meta is just unfavourable for Fuel, they went into OWL overconfident, and Timo and Effect have been dealing with their own personal problems
Not even mentioning xQc
lyric pivot
because if they aren't going to win, at least they can be funny to watch.
subtle fable
really? is it joke?
pearl stratus
I mean he's been pro before, but the money wasn't worth the stress to him from everything I can tell.
But now that its salaried, and salaried at a decent level and he can -still- stream.
I think his Season 2 thing wasn't a bad call.
lyric pivot
I'd love to see him in a jersey
magic zinc
Also him playing in OWL doesn't exactly kill his stream
pearl stratus
In terms of streamers he's probably one of the most enjoyable to watch.
lyric pivot
no it'll boost it probably lol
pearl stratus
Because he's one of the few -really- good players who isn't a douche.
magic zinc
And I'm sure whatever team wants him will give him a nice wage because the guy brings in a lot of merch
pearl stratus
Like when he gets huge plays he always seems like a little kid.
And kind of surprised he just did what he did.
Also watching him use High Noon to reload is hilarious.
lyric pivot
I remember when he switched off support point b on Volskaya to widow and ended up killing like 4 immediately to clutch the point. He was duo'd with xQc I think.
pearl stratus
I'd actually like to see Calvin go to Houston 😛
lyric pivot
Please heal? youself.***
pearl stratus
But he'd end up replacing Linkzr, which isn't great.
lyric pivot
They don't need help lol
forest raven
I mean talk about dumb shit like dropping EnVy but don't tell people to kill themselves
That's just in bad taste
lyric pivot
Only if you take everyone seriously and have no sense of humor. k
pearl stratus
Houston is honestly my favorite team to watch thats non-Korean right now. Their teamwork is insane.
pearl stratus
Also I like watching Jake because he's mechanically probably one of the worst players in the league.
But his god damn game sense and decision making is something next level.
pearl stratus
I can't hate Muma.
pearl stratus
Muma + Coolmatt is probably the strongest tank duo in the league right now.
forest raven
I mean Mek0 and Mano exist
pearl stratus
True.
forest raven
As does Gesture and Fury
lyric pivot
I think it's too hard to make that call honestly
pearl stratus
I think they're more in sync than Gesture and Fury, atm.
pearl stratus
You know who I'm completely over and think (in OWL only - I love his stream because his laugh is infectious) is overrated?
Pine.
He's a great player, but I don't think he's on the same level as SBB and Libero but gets so much hype from that one Ilios.
forest raven
Why do you think Pine isn't a starter the majority of the time
pearl stratus
Yeah he's played properly by NYXL. I mean more community reaction.
forest raven
Sbb plays one of the best Tracer's in the world and Libero can play anything
pearl stratus
Libero/Fleta are my favorite OWL stories, realistically.
I'm glad Libero is on a team where his swiss army knife skills get utilized to their max.
Finally.
lyric pivot
You can call me whatever names, but SureFour is my dude. I love his versatility too much.
lyric pivot
For now
pearl stratus
I mean it'll be for all of stage 2, since I don't think we'll see a scatter arrow change till Stage 3 at the earliest.
Blizzard doesn't even know what they're doing with it yet.
forest raven
It's great because Fl0w3r is basically Libero but better except on maybe a hero or two
lyric pivot
Yeah
forest raven
NYXL is gonna smash even more in season 2
lyric pivot
I hope it's for the better and really puts him in a good spot with the current meta's. I'd love to see a more consistant Hanzo.
Genji has taken the spotlight long enough lol
pearl stratus
It's going to be interesting yeah, because on his heroes Flow3r is dominant. But Libero just gives them so so so much flexibility on any comp they run.
It's dangerous.
But I've always though NYXL had the best dps set up in the league, so that's not surprising.
forest raven
Well Fl0w3r plays both insane hitscan and projectile
lyric pivot
Will OWL Eventually have a draft? lol.
pearl stratus
They have contenders league.
forest raven
Libero probably has a better off tank than Fl0w3r
pearl stratus
They're set up more like Baseball than Football.
lyric pivot
oh ok
pearl stratus
Watch NYXL just start playing Flower + Libero.
So they can adjust their comp to anything they want.
Ever.
forest raven
As long as Tracer remains relevant Sbb is playing most of the time
pearl stratus
Yeah, and she'll be relevant for a long time because she's probably the hardest hero to balance.
Little changes mess her up big time, and big changes are just as bad.
forest raven
Blizz hasn't changed Tracer once, she is a hero that 100% lives and dies by the meta
pearl stratus
They changed her damage fall off, that was the only thing I can remember.
lyric pivot
I remember well the days before the patched Tracer.
pearl stratus
With her effective range of like.. 25-30M?
Yeah.
It's right up there with WidowMcCree.
When his effective range was the moon.
pearl stratus
I honestly think the McCree one was worse.
lyric pivot
It was.
pearl stratus
Because I was actively outsniping Widowmakers with him because of his fall off range.
pearl stratus
Either way, long story short to the start of this entire conversation - if the rumor is real I'm excited to see Shanghai with the three (four) new people
balmy wolf
pearl stratus
I'm also glad to see a team of one nationality actively recruit people not from that nationality.
I thought NYXL or London would do it first.
lyric pivot
5 is going to be Valiant.
forest raven
NYXL is planning on becoming an international roster in the future
lyric pivot
eh-heh..
pearl stratus
Yeah they and London have been vocal about it.
Which is why I thought they'd be the first team.
Was not expecting it from Shanghai.
lyric pivot
Right now they are Korea 2 and Korea 3.
pearl stratus
Since China has a 5M person playerbase, lol
slim summit
people only care about player nationality when it's koreans
🤷
43 million possible outcomes seems greatly exaggerated
might be there's 43 million possible outcomes ... if you count each individual map & perhaps point as a discrete possibility
but if you just count series score & ranking (which is the only thing that matters; which map or which points they take doesn't) it's nowhere near that high
What is "head to head record" btw
does that mean total points on each map?
solid spear
tight vault
shanghei vs dallas
slim summit
I wonder how the members of Dallas feel about this match
how many parts glad they'll get another win and how many parts nervous they might not
tight vault
i doubt they care
balmy wolf
unlikely shanghaai sux
slim summit
there have been bigger upsets
vestal mortar
👀
magic zinc
Ohhh its Valiant vs Seoul but its at 5AM
At least Philly vs Boston is watchable
A little odd that London plays at 3AM when I thought they said they'd put them at the earlier slots if they could?
sullen berry
The biggest underdog plays of the entire stage: Dragons VS Fuel in about 6 hours from this post - you have no idea how much I've looked forward to this in the past 3 weeks
balmy wolf
lol imma laugh if dragons get 4:0'ed
slim summit
why
that wouldn't be funny, that would be sad
fuel getting 4:0'd, on the other hand
that would be hilarious
magic zinc
Europe
Ofc its PST-EST based
But I remember them saying London was going to take up the earlier spots because thats watchable for EU
scarlet spear
yeah nate himself said that
yet here we see london at shit t imes again
nate literally said that they want to make the games such that local viewers could watch it, showcasing london and EU viewers as an example and the exact same day fuckin london plays at 5 AM for EU
cold kite
yo
deft valley
pacific is 8 hours behind London
so if you start at 12-ish local it's a fairly decent time in EU
sure is better than 5AM
scarlet spear
literally just make it the first game of the day if its under the week and not weekend
not that hard i imagine
next game they play is at 3AM in EU
deft valley
well the thing is
scarlet spear
why not make it the 11PM slot?
deft valley
London is far from the only team that has EU fans
deft valley
probably not even the biggest one
scarlet spear
definitely not
magic zinc
I'm still hoping Sunday matches become a thing later down the line though
scarlet spear
but they are saying they want to make the only EU slot team watchable for EU viewers
yet we get those shit times for london
magic zinc
Ohhh was it just the home games? I never knew
vestal mortar
Yep
zealous fog
tight vault
oh hell nah you wrong
broken flax
are the overwatch league tokens gonna dissapear?
tight vault
what do you meeean
broken flax
the 200 that I got for free
lucid skiff
who do you guys have winning new york or london?
vestal mortar
NY
scarlet spear
NY indeed
young sonnet
🙏 London 🙏
slim summit
new york is a well oiled machine
they'll be punishing every one of london's mistakes
young sonnet
plis no bulli rondon
young sonnet
Not tonight. Dragons are gonna go big dick i can feel it.
wooden hull
brisk roost
young sonnet
Shaq doing the babybaychallenge WTF
brisk roost
Lmfao
scarlet spear
well hes an investor of NRG
brisk roost
Almost everyone is doing it
scarlet spear
makes sense he makes publicity for them
vestal mortar
Jehong did it too! 😍
grizzled mulch
Twitter
pseudo sail
Heyo, make sure you don't miss these games! 😛 https://twitter.com/RadoNonfire/status/961356414651420674
brisk roost
Ye don't worry I'm aware xD!
scarlet spear
damn that shit with iPN is pretty disgusting
tight vault
lets go shanghai
torpid charm
what are y'all predictions for the day, I'm curious
tight vault
shanghai, seoul, San Fransico
torpid charm
Shanghai plays who again?
deft valley
dallas
torpid charm
I don't know why I thought they were playing someone else but that's lit
definitely watching that
torpid charm
I want them to win too, I want them to be good
deft valley
I want them to win because it would complete the circle of suck
torpid charm
succ 💦
tight vault
nobody likes dallas fuel anymore
deft valley
oh no
somebody think of the bandwagon
torpid charm
they're improving, just very very slowly
tight vault
never forget shanghai won once against seoul
torpid charm
it's funnier when Dallas loses tbh
narrow dew
precisely
finite cedar
@pseudo sail how’s that self promotion going ?
torpid charm
finite cedar
Yeah, but this week we’re speaking of Stage 1. The Dragons left a chance to others.
deft valley
hit's getting real
torpid charm
Dragons didn't wanna get too fancy for stage 1 but hoooooo boy, everyone better watch their asses in stage 2
torpid charm
the Maple Leaves
inland wolf
deft valley
do you want them to win one thing in like 1980 and then never
pseudo sail
@finite cedar not as well as I'd like it to 👀
tight vault
onyx shore
is the stream on?
brisk roost
Yeah it's on now
open bolt
PHILLY I LOVE YOU
brisk roost
WE LOVE PHILLY
torpid charm
thank you, Philly needs more love
jovial jewel
this week is about to be hype as fuck tho
owl stage 1 is gonna end
new OW event tomorrow
sour skiff
JAKE
tawny sigil
is dallas at 1-7 or 2-6
narrow dew
geguri is gonna flop so hard
sour skiff
JAKE is LEGEND
Dairy
brisk roost
Lmao
torpid charm
I'm very excited to see what Geguri can do
brisk roost
Which team is he playing for?
torpid charm
she and for Shanghai
tawny sigil
anyone?