There's a FAQ in the pins
#esports-discussion
restive spear
nah
deft valley
I'm explaining a thing that's not in the faqs
In the playoffs the division winners get a bye
the next four play each other and then the division winners
copper latch
so no linkzer for Houston 😦
torpid charm
poor sick boi
copper latch
do it for Linkz!
restive spear
wait til in 3 months when every team recruits all koreans
torpid charm
I doubt that
restive spear
🇺🇸 >>>>🇰🇷 Let's go 
dethrone the Korean overlords in the finals!!
deft valley
boston has more koreans than americans lmao
pearl stratus
Everyone team in the league basically has more koreans than americans.
rare tangle
boston is filled with Koreans their owner said
pearl stratus
There's like what.
rare tangle
its a Korean city
pearl stratus
4 Americans in the league?
whole mulch
Yea boston is pretty close to being a korean team
rare tangle
lol
whole mulch
Striker, Kalios, Gamsu, Neko
Valiant also has a decent amount of koreans
KariV, Envy, Fate
torpid charm
yeah there's no set American team technically
deft valley
Houston is the closest
whole mulch
Silkthread is my favorite American in the league
pearl stratus
I really can't think of that many Americans. I can think of like 4.
torpid charm
Silkthread is so handsome
covert comet
im not KappaPride ryujehong is pretty good lookin
rare tangle
americans prefer call of duty
deft valley
Russian community's policy on roles is "dps is the only thing worth being good at"
whole mulch
Silkthread, GrimRealidy, Space, DreamKazper, Avast, Seagull, Jake, Clockwork, coolmatt, muma, Boink, Rawkus @pearl stratus
All american
torpid charm
Fusion's fav meme is how SDB never smiles or shows any other emotion
pearl stratus
Russian.
deft valley
yeah it's cause he's russian lol
forest raven
torpid charm
BESIDES THAT
whole mulch
How'd you get that so fast
torpid charm
I LOVE THAT PIC
forest raven
I have my ways
torpid charm
FIRST TIME I SAW IT I CRIED BECAUSE IT'S SO CUTE
deft valley
lmao
forest raven
Shadowburn only shows emotion for those he cares most about
And his fishy friend is one of them
forest raven
I fuckin love that gif so much
whole mulch
shadowburn lul
torpid charm
I HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT BEFORE OMG
short vault
ho
fresh arrow
i'm so glad that i now have
short vault
how
torpid charm
we finna have a field day with that in the Fusion discord
forest raven
That gif is from the Overwatch Open IIRC
whole mulch
You've never seen that?
wooden hull
devout raft
torpid charm
I didn't really start following Overwatch until the summer so a good portion of this shit is new to me but I'm so glad you've graced my life with that gif
torpid charm
I gotta put that on my twitter
runic stag
what has this jake meme even become when its the number 1 thing spammed even when hes not in the game
runic stag
theres not even a junkrat in the game
copper latch
the whole Jake rat thing
whole mulch
yeah
but it's because of the jakerat meme
Why does everyone call soe cute
she's cute but I mean just spamming that is awkward
copper latch
not getting any picks sheesh
forest raven
It's Twitch chat
copper latch
finally, they are loking a little uncoordinated
forest raven
Don't expect anything good from Twitch chat
whole mulch
Is linkzr like the shotcaller for outlaws or something
their pushes are looking really uncoordinated
copper latch
not really, that is usually jake.
they are just a little out of step is all. not gonna kill them but ain't gonna be clean.
whole mulch
I wonder if the fans in the arena make a big deal about jake
taimou said in an interview that people cuss them out while they play
and it distracts them
whole mulch
true
whole mulch
Did the mercy just get nano'd
I looked away for a second
Looks like SFS might just roll them
pearl stratus
Jake and Rawkus do most of the calling iirc.
Rawkus does more target calling cause discord
Jake more strategy
delicate mural
whole mulch
Impressive widow play
copper latch
they really dont want to reset
copper latch
next stage.
forest raven
Stage 2
copper latch
i was hoping for the hold there. it is getting late and it would be nice for houston to finish fast.
forest wharf
ah ok, cant wait for good mercyless play
molten skiff
will jake's rat be effective post-patch?
cuz tbh, i think jake's junkrat is on another level
copper latch
will seagul play at all?
mighty raptor
rat will still be good
whole mulch
I smell a 4-0
pearl stratus
Rat will be fine for Pros.
If you watch his grenades he gets some damage from spam.
pearl stratus
But so many of his grenades hit head on.
Which is why he's a scary rat.
Because its not just spam.
delicate mural
mighty raptor
yea. I mean, the ult is still insane. and Jake and Seagull and whoever else will have the aim to do max damage with the mines
mighty raptor
Ya
pearl stratus
He's played a lot of not Junk this series.
It's been kind of nice.
Jakerah wasn't horrible.
copper latch
why does my ad blocker not take care of these commercials?
whole mulch
Which commercials? On the stream?
mighty raptor
there are commercials?
whole mulch
I don't see any
forest raven
Refresh the stream and the ads will go away
pearl stratus
Depending where you're watching from the commercials may be part of the stream.
copper latch
they are part of the twitch stream but usually ublock orgin will block them. kinda odd
pearl stratus
I know if you want through mlg stuff there's commercials.
velvet scarab
if you have twitch prime you dont get ads
pearl stratus
I really am surprised how well Clockworks doing. Just so used to Linkzr being insane.
whole mulch
Eh SFS doesn't have an experienced tracer
pearl stratus
Yeah, Danteh is pretty horrible.
whole mulch
Danteh is so new to the scene I'm surprised he was even considered
pearl stratus
But I mean Clockwork did well on Widow etc.
whole mulch
I guess yeah
pearl stratus
He's not Linkzr level, not even close.
balmy wolf
We're in dark times bruddas
pearl stratus
But he got a bunch of picks on Dhak.
fiery reef
Have they updated the Overwatch League to the nerfs ? or when does that come in
forest raven
Stage 2
dark bear
Just got here what's happening
dark bear
Is it a pretty equal fight?
polar pier
c9
fiery reef
c9?
dark bear
How many maps has SF won this round?
forest raven
It's 2-0
dark bear
Er I mean like how many points
forest raven
Houston's favour
dark bear
on oasis
dark bear
Aw I'm hoping for an upset
forest raven
If you're on MLG it's like 30 seconds behind
dark bear
Ooh not bad
dark bear
I go to school in the bay area so i kinda have to cheer for SF
fiery reef
Still bugs the crap out of me that they gave these teams "home locations" ... I don't see how a team of pure Koreans can represent London ... NYC .. like .. wtf .. or teams of full Europeans representing ... makes no sense to me
forest raven
2-1 Houston
thorn forum
like a full week and i hate it
fiery reef
2-1
dark bear
@fiery reef I mean the alternative is having seoul fuck everything up while everyone else sucks
dark bear
San Fransisco shock seems to be holding their ground
fiery reef
@dark bear So its just like every other game of this type? .. I don't see what the issue is. If they are better they are better.
dark bear
I guess it is a bit weird.
fiery reef
Just because you slapped a London logo on them doesn't mean it wasn't just a bunch of Koreans winning. Or NYXL
If the teams were ALL diverse it would be fine
like a few Americans, A few Koreans, a Few EU on each team
lyric pivot
I agree with that. With a fully loaded Korean Roster on New York. You're not representing New York. You're Representing Korea. The same goes for London.
dark bear
But how would they communicate
fiery reef
.. How do they commute right now?
thorn forum
why is linkzr benched
dark bear
And I actually don't follow competitive sports much, but is that how it works in like the NBA? People don't necessarily represent the cities they're from right
fiery reef
Clearly they can play in person right now... so
thorn forum
they just said he is benched
fiery reef
Thats not the same time @dark bear
lyric pivot
Korea isn't apart of the US.
thorn forum
?
thorn forum
did they just pull him or is he actually benched like Xqc
lyric pivot
Nobody knows Jordan
fiery reef
Imagine in Football if one of the teams just pulled 6 of the German football team to play for them in US ... how would that represent US players at all? Its Germans
dark bear
Okay the more I think about it the more I agree with you guys. Tbh Korea and US should just be like separate divisions
lofty rapids
That's not the same at all. These aren't national teams
fiery reef
If they aren't national teams, they shouldn't have city based names
lyric pivot
I mean there's 2 LA teams, and like 3 or 4 teams in California alone. Why can't they have 3 korean teams from KOREA.
?
radiant isle
i mean its like that with a lot of professional sports
a lot of the best us hockey players are canadian
dark bear
Lol any team with non korean players would get destroyed
thorn forum
no
bitter nebula
DOGshit
fiery reef
They could have just given them the names "outlaws" "spitfire" "Shock" ... drop the city ..
lofty rapids
City based teams on an international league and national teams are different.
dark bear
I'm sure Dallas fuel would be pretty good if they weren't playing against koreans
radiant isle
but then it wouldnt be the overwatch league
thorn forum
most americans, or even people of the country would not root for a team full of people not from your country
lofty rapids
But that would undercut the entire marketing reason for city based teams.
fiery reef
wut
how does them having a city in their name make it overwatch league, but without it, its not?
lofty rapids
You just don't like it. It's not wrong.
radiant isle
more people are watching cuz they want to root for their city
lyric pivot
It is wrong lol
thorn forum
hence why olympics is so popular
lofty rapids
Because a major point of the owl was Cory based teams to have a team identity.
radiant isle
trust me, their views would plummet if you removed the cities
lofty rapids
City*
thorn forum
you must be from that country
dark bear
I get where othinus is coming from though. It's hard to connect with a team of 6 koreans even if they're representing your city. They probably didn't even know that city existed before OWL
fiery reef
Or do they fly home to Korea during downtime.
thorn forum
no but they should be from that country.
lofty rapids
They tend to move there to be close to work, yes.
thorn forum
ezpecially when competing world wide
bitter nebula
GG
balmy wolf
If you picked players only from the team's city it would be watching bronzes vs diamonds
radiant isle
i see where your coming from, i mean im cheering for valiant cuz theyve got my favourite canadian player and im canadian
lofty rapids
You're trying to draw an arbitrary line because it doesn't sit right...
fiery reef
No one is saying they have tobe from the same city as their team when the team is formed....
dark bear
I'm pretty sure they live in the city they represent
They're salaried players. They have a home base of whatever
forest raven
For season 1 and maybe season 2 every team is in LA
balmy wolf
the teams paid 20 million dollars to get in OWL
they pay for the best players they can get
to make the games interesting
lyric pivot
placing a fully loaded roster of nothing but koreans from korea into a city they were never from or apart of from the beginning shows no representation of that city in the least. NY just wants to win because they don't want to look like the Giants or the Knicks lol
forest raven
Look at the support NYXL is getting from people from New York
thorn forum
look if they were koreans that lived in london
forest raven
People are A-okay with it
lyric pivot
They're getting support because they are winning
lofty rapids
How is this not just gatekeeping?
forest raven
All the Korean players are getting English lessons
thorn forum
they lost to who
lofty rapids
They're not British enough even though they're representing a British team.
bitter nebula
CAN SHOCK HOLD
fiery reef
?? I'm in NYC, and i've talked with plenty of people who agree with me
thorn forum
i wasnt here last week, who did they lose to
bitter nebula
CAN SHOCK HOLD
balmy wolf
Would you rather a london team that gets rolled every game
lyric pivot
I'm out.
balmy wolf
and can't even survive 10 seconds
bitter nebula
guys take this conversation to teh DOGshit cahnnel
radiant isle
on ur way out look at effects twitter
bitter nebula
stupid convo
radiant isle
its amazing
dark bear
DDDD:
fiery reef
"Would you rather a london team that gets rolled every game." Or people who in no way represent london, wearing a london logo doing good
balmy wolf
There are not many good players from london
dark bear
Can we just ban koreans lol
balmy wolf
they would get rolled
fiery reef
So then don't give them a team.
thorn forum
^
balmy wolf
OWL doesn't pick teams
lofty rapids
In no way represent London... Except they're literally doing exactly thatm
fiery reef
Filled with EU players
thorn forum
id prefer a team fomr the country, be from the country
balmy wolf
companies pay 20 million to get a team
thorn forum
call em US outlaws
balmy wolf
they know nothing about the game
fiery reef
who decides who is on that team?
lofty rapids
They're literally representing London and you don't like that they're not representing London.
forest raven
I think this is the 8th time I've seen this exact argument had since OWL teams were announced
dark bear
Lol I saw a Reddit thread on it
balmy wolf
the coach they hire
balmy wolf
If you paid 20 million dollars to get a team you know will get rolled every game...
lofty rapids
Right for the national format, yes.
bitter nebula
@gaunt acorn can you take this convo elsewhere
lofty rapids
But this isn't a national team format. Stop getting mad that it's not.
fiery reef
So an all EU team would get rolled every game?
bitter nebula
such a low IQ conversation
gaunt acorn
@bitter nebula what's the problem
balmy wolf
all eu? So make it continental?
bitter nebula
5-6 users are aeguing some ridiculous low IQ conversation
thorn forum
im not asking being full form representing country
dark bear
I'm drunk actually. So my IQ is like 50 right now
lofty rapids
Just an arbitrary limit...
bitter nebula
that gets brought up once a week by noobies
fiery reef
@bitter nebula Debating esports = low IQ?
lofty rapids
Because you don't like it.
gaunt acorn
it's not against the rules
thorn forum
but im asking that, London, the biggest team, should have a t least 1 london player
instead of 100% korean
lofty rapids
Why?
balmy wolf
London just picked up a full pro team
buoyant edge
Sounds like you have a very strong opinion that you think is obvious.
lofty rapids
Because you don't like it...
forest raven
This is the 9th time we've had this argument, and we have become exceedingly efficient at it @bitter nebula
buoyant edge
Let people discuss it.
balmy wolf
they didn't pick any individual players
fiery reef
@bitter nebula could you please inform me how to think. Since you are clearly the almighty power here with 5000 IQ
bitter nebula
@topaz osprey I just cant believe people are arguing that players should play for their hoime countries in OWL. its so fuckign braindead stupid
thorn forum
they literally dont even speak english
lofty rapids
...so?
onyx shore
so what you are suggesting is hiring quota
lofty rapids
And that's gatekeeping.
thorn forum
its korean sptifire
bitter nebula
SO EPL players shou ldonly play in EPL?????
forest raven
Competition is the antithesis to diversity
bitter nebula
your thoughts on UEFA CL ?
lofty rapids
They're literally hired to represent London. But they're not doing it in a way you like.
forest raven
If the majority of the best players are Korean, then so be it. The rest of the world needs to step up
onyx shore
if you are team owners
forest raven
And they are, mind you
onyx shore
you can compare
thorn forum
i ask if you name a team after a country, have some people from said country on the roster
lofty rapids
So you're trying to argue the league rules should be changed to fit what you like.
fiery reef
Look all I was saying is. Its hard to feel like a team is REALLY representing my city, when they aren't even from my continent
bitter nebula
@gaunt acorn its the same convo once a week and its alwyas peopel who dont understand,
onyx shore
which are better? korean players or british players?
fiery reef
You can disagee all you want
thorn forum
and i mean city=country
forest raven
Koreans, easily
onyx shore
that;s it
lofty rapids
Why? No other sport does that.
buoyant edge
So discussing a popular topic is bad?
forest raven
The scene is more developed and the talent pool is so much deeper
balmy wolf
it's the same as regular sports
velvet scarab
babybay's zarya is horrible ahahah
onyx shore
as team owner you want to hire best players
buoyant edge
It gets a bit stale, sure, but I don't see what's wrong with it.
balmy wolf
you pay for the best players
thorn forum
US sports do it
bitter nebula
SO WHAT DO YOU THINK ABOUT REGULAR FUCKIGN PSORTS
onyx shore
that's it
lofty rapids
Why not go for merit over nationality?
balmy wolf
regardless of the city they are from
buoyant edge
Yo chill
bitter nebula
TORNONT RAPTORS
buoyant edge
No one here is getting mad except you
fiery reef
@lofty rapids really? Which sports do you know of that have entire rosters filled by people of 1 specific country not their own?
bitter nebula
canadian players play in NBA
onyx shore
will just admitting that british players are inferior
lofty rapids
You're arguing for picking based on something besides the team you think will perform best.
light hearth
I love linkzr but I like seeing clockwork too. Happy to see him getting some play.
onyx shore
bcos they can only get hired bcos of that quota
fiery reef
Let me guess ... the green bay packers are actually an all Australian team.
lofty rapids
That's not what I said @fiery reef
bitter nebula
@light hearth same
thorn forum
yea suer people play from countries they arent part of
forest raven
Shame it has to be when Linkzr and Mendo are sick though lmao, bill
thorn forum
but they have majority of playes from said country
also most live in the said city they play for
bitter nebula
@light hearth @forest raven SF choking hard in some of these spots
buoyant edge
lol "OH" from the crowd
light hearth
Yeah lily 
forest raven
Shock is straight trash
light hearth
SF not looking great tonight
bitter nebula
that on tult last map was horriffic
light hearth
I used to live in SF. Making me sad AF
buoyant edge
They're not terrible, but Houston looks better in general.
bitter nebula
root for PHILLY
onyx shore
if you put a rule about hiring quota
forest raven
If Houston had Linkzr playing it'd be a clean 4-0
bitter nebula
BABYs mcree is lowkey disgusting tho
onyx shore
than those british players will never play
thorn forum
why doesnt houston have linkz
fiery reef
I've still watched every single stream of the OWL... but I still can't get behind a team of Koreans representing my City. Diversity .. sure ... but an entire team from 1 specific foreign country .. stripes it all away.
onyx shore
the orgs will simply hire whoever
forest raven
Linkzr's sick atm
onyx shore
then just field the koreans
buoyant edge
OH nice tire
bitter nebula
theit dps are such in form
thorn forum
GG houston
bitter nebula
they can compete with seoul potentially
onyx shore
just like what jeff said
light hearth
Green looks so good on the arena screens. 
thorn forum
is it just me or dows rawkus have a fatass
lucid sphinx
The set is amazing
buoyant edge
One of the best color schemes tbh
light hearth
He’s thick Jordan.
onyx shore
"its not about nerfing the koreans,it's about buffing the rest of the world
thorn forum
im 99% he stuffs it
gaunt acorn
thicc
fiery reef
Maybe once the home cities have their own stadiums it will be easier to get behind
onyx shore
in short " git gud western players"
balmy wolf
thiccccc
buoyant edge
Nice booty
bitter nebula
a guy shouldnt have a butt like that
thorn forum
no one should
onyx shore
i just wonder why they dont play inside soundproof booth
thorn forum
isnt coolmatt gay
forest raven
Muma's gay
thorn forum
didnt they ask him
balmy wolf
imagine if the overwatch dev team is actually just a bunch of koreans
thorn forum
on world cup
light hearth
@bitter nebula its a crime. But a crime I don’t mind him committing. 
forest raven
thorn forum
what his and rawkus relation was and he did finger finger "penis" thing
balmy wolf
@light hearth OULAWS WON!! My home town is doing well 
buoyant edge
He's got the ass from TDFW
light hearth
Heck yeah LEGgo congrats !!!!
onyx shore
it's 19-1
balmy wolf
hows it been bill? i got coach recently so im pretty hype
fiery reef
What I think would be neat, after this entire season ends. If all players lost their team, and were put into a player pool. The team who had the worst record gets to pick first, and they draft out the teams. It will never happen, but I think teams would be so much more even.
onyx shore
the streak is over
dark bear
what the fuck is twitch chat talking about I wasn't paying attention. Who's ass?
onyx shore
@fiery reef no team owner would agree to that
buoyant edge
Rawkus got a fat ass
bitter nebula
SEIOUl > NY still
balmy wolf
Helping people rank up
bitter nebula
stay woke all
fiery reef
@static daggerediaz#5606 of course it would never happen, but it would be nice.
thorn forum
yea rawkus ass is so unreal
light hearth
Xoxo everyone. Have a good night.
onyx shore
shanghai dragons will just pick all the koreans
thorn forum
plus he is one of best suppots
balmy wolf
Good night bill!
buoyant edge
Night 👋
thorn forum
coincidence?
lucid sphinx
dragons took a map from soeul, never forget
fiery reef
Its not like they just pick an entire roster at once
dark bear
Wait they did? I gotta go back and watch that haha
balmy wolf
That's not done in OWL for whatever reason
shanghai's coach picked people he liked
not people who were good
dark bear
Chinese people instead of Koreans
balmy wolf
so they're stuck with 0 wins
thorn forum
did muma say "rolled and smoked"
lucid sphinx
it was the greatest thing i've ever seen, me and my 4 other freind all got dragons skins, cheer for the underdog
forest raven
bitter nebula
DOGshit by shoc
lucid sphinx
well if he owns the team, he can pick who ever he wants
balmy wolf
he didnt own the team
he was the coach
some chinese company paid 20 mil for the team
fiery reef
Its weird to me that ... the London Spitfire, is owned by Americans, but entire Roster is Korean...
onyx shore
well
lucid sphinx
well i guess the owner is ok with it then, meh face
onyx shore
manchester united is owned by americans
lofty rapids
Why is that weird? They picked a talented group of players who communicate well and have synergy
onyx shore
manchester city is owned by arabic oil lord
dark bear
@safe oriole@forest raven 👌 👌
fiery reef
Well thats not as strange when the teams are still of the nationality they are said to represent
lofty rapids
It's not strange to a lot of people...
balmy wolf
Gotta remember OWL is a business, and esports are unpredictable
thorn forum
fuck muma
balmy wolf
they need to pick the best players they can
onyx shore
i'm sure if there are british players deemed good enough to play for spitfire,they will pick him/her up
thorn forum
faggit got sad another gamer said a gamer thing
onyx shore
the question is
balmy wolf
it's not as established as major sports
onyx shore
are there such player now?
balmy wolf
and yeah i cant name a single british player that can fit on spitfire's roster
thorn forum
WHO DID SEOULD LOSE TO
balmy wolf
nyxl
thorn forum
what?!?!?!
fiery reef
So there isn't a single UK player on any team?
balmy wolf
numlocked is much worse than spitfire's tanks
fiery reef
Oh ok, but instead of selecting any of them, they went purely Korean?
balmy wolf
yes
onyx shore
yes
thorn forum
anyone have the current leader board nearby
lofty rapids
You're really hung up on nationality. Like, the team is called the London Spitfire, but you're focusing on them being British, not even from London. Because you admit it would be silly to limit it to city, but not country, even though the team is based on a city which is your entire argument.
balmy wolf
they are out skilled
buoyant edge
London vs Seoul is going to be great
balmy wolf
outclassed
onyx shore
bcos you hire best players,period
do you think
if they pick numlocked
london will ever play him?
bitter nebula
@buoyant edge SEOUL still legit, stay woke
fiery reef
ALL im saying is there is no need to include the city name is they don't really have anything to do with the city or country
lofty rapids
You're making arbitrary distinctions because you "feel" weird.
fiery reef
Just call the mthe SPitfire.
lofty rapids
Yes. There is!
onyx shore
they are using american sport naming style
thorn forum
meh
onyx shore
it's pure marketing
buoyant edge
Representing a place != being representative of a place
lofty rapids
You're completely dismissing the marketing of city based teams
balmy wolf
yeah what ark said
lucid sphinx
@fiery reef same for literally ANY sports team
balmy wolf
that's how american sports are
lofty rapids
Even if they don't have.players from there
balmy wolf
and in american sports we dont have players from the city alone
forest raven
Coolmatt's thoughts on the game today https://twitter.com/coolmatt69/status/958944773510914048
Twitter
fiery reef
I don't follow sports, this about the extent of it
bitter nebula
@fiery reef dude, you are so wrong, I could hit you with the billy madison gif
balmy wolf
they choose the best they can
it's literally the same concept as regular sports
except like world cups and such
onyx shore
this is like asking
thorn forum
but they are from there country
fiery reef
So some teams just couldn't afford the Koreans I guess?
bitter nebula
@fiery reef ypou dont follow sports so that shoudl tell you eberything. trust me man, you are so so so so wrong. you dont even know what you dont know. im not trying to be rude man but you are out of your fucking element
thorn forum
or at least continent
onyx shore
maybe
lofty rapids
You're basing your argument on your feelings, not the intent of decisions, previous sports, etc. Just how you feel.
balmy wolf
yeah pretty much
onyx shore
fusion managed to sign whoRu
fiery reef
Since when was this anything ever but my own opinion / feelings? @lofty rapids
thorn forum
sure you
balmy wolf
carpe can actually qualify for almost any team on the league
but he's paid more to be on fusion
lofty rapids
I'm saying that you're not making any arguments with any substance, but are also refusing to budge
onyx shore
look at shanghai dragons
balmy wolf
london just paid an already existing team
balmy wolf
shanghai is changing their players
onyx shore
fiery reef
I'm not trying to argue. I"m stating that in my opinion. X Y Z. Thats it. If you disagree, then fine disagree, but thats all there is too it
fiery reef
I know I'm not alone in how I feel, and I know there will be those who disagree
balmy wolf
shanghai of course
bitter nebula
@fiery reef but the thing is youre wrong. I know its your opinion but name me aprofessional league that does thar
lofty rapids
You're just being stubborn by trying to come up with a workaround for a problem with no real support other than your feelings... Which doesn't make it a real problem.
fiery reef
I am wrong? Why? My opinion doesn't match yours so I must be wrong?
thorn forum
you know, at least shanghai has there country
bitter nebula
@lofty rapids he doesnt watch sports so he wouldnt know
thorn forum
at least they represent china
onyx shore
yeah and got rekt
balmy wolf
Which league forces you to pick players of your city
thorn forum
yea they do
balmy wolf
NBA? NFL?
bitter nebula
@fiery reef so give me an example of a PROFESIONAL league that does what you are saying
fiery reef
@balmy wolf Which sport lets you draft your entire team from another country?
thorn forum
they arent from there
onyx shore
soccer
thorn forum
they dont live th4ere
balmy wolf
@fiery reef All of them
fiery reef
Really which soccer team?
bitter nebula
@fiery reef INTER did it when they won UEFA CL
thorn forum
if you play EU soccer in a country
onyx shore
you can build your entire team consisted of foreigner
thorn forum
you live in that country
onyx shore
there's no limit
lofty rapids
All of them. You're allowed to.
thorn forum
you need to for the preactice
balmy wolf
lol
lucid sphinx
baseball. hockey, etc, etc everything
thorn forum
baseball hocky ECT
bitter nebula
this copnversation is so fuckgin retarded, it snot even an opinion
full lion
basketball to a lesser extent
thorn forum
you live in said city
fiery reef
Weird .. why has it never once been done then? At least not that I can think off
bitter nebula
it shouldnt be discussed here
thorn forum
in esports you dont need to
full lion
but literally all of them
thorn forum
you can practice online
balmy wolf
@fiery reef It has been done
lofty rapids
Holy shit...
fiery reef
Examples?
balmy wolf
scroll up
balmy wolf
but OW unlike other sports is heavily imbalanced in terms of skill
thorn forum
countries
balmy wolf
koreans are just wayyy better
thorn forum
make em from countries
onyx shore
why should the city named be removed?
bitter nebula
guys he left drop it pols
lofty rapids
You're just getting defensive. You already said you don't follow sports and now you're trying to use other sports as a defense.
balmy wolf
top na team can't compete with like 5th korean team
onyx shore
are they breaking any laws?
bitter nebula
guys please drop the discussion hes gone
thorn forum
midwest outlaws, eastcoast bostons
deft valley
ew no
onyx shore
why should they choose that name?
thorn forum
korand dynsasty
deft valley
city names are much better for that
thorn forum
lond spitfire
balmy wolf
Koreans just too good at the game
other sports have people that can stand up to outsiders
Overwatch does not
bitter nebula
guys hes gone.
balmy wolf
it's literally that simple
bitter nebula
let that DOGshit convo die
full lion
idk i think he just discovered the illogic of people feeling an attachment to a home team even though the teams members are from elsewhere
onyx shore
friendly reminder that koreans dont always dominate every esport
fiery reef
I just can't get behind an all Korean team representing me.. oh well, its not something we will agree on and my mind won't change
onyx shore
they are bad at dota2
balmy wolf
@fiery reef That's literally how every sport works (besides world cups & olympics)
lofty rapids
Your mind won't change... Wow. Because people aren't enough like you to represent you...
deft valley
^
bitter nebula
guys
balmy wolf
only national teams
balmy wolf
pick their own people
bitter nebula
elsewhere go in voice chat
lofty rapids
Jetto, you're the only one freaking out about it
full lion
relax dude
balmy wolf
no one has a problem with this convo jetto
fiery reef
Jetto, if you would like to discuss anything else please go to the appropriate channel. Right now we are talking about esports.
balmy wolf
why don't you leave
bitter nebula
you guys are right
lofty rapids
Here it comes...
bitter nebula
I thought this was a good channel to discuss esports
deft valley
realistically speaking
lofty rapids
Haha, there it is
bitter nebula
i ll take my leavbe
onyx shore
well,imo
deft valley
no pro sports team (in franchise structure leagues)
full lion
sayonara
full lion
true
deft valley
well Packers aside I gues
onyx shore
i would prefer if blizzard didnt monopolize the competitive scene
full lion
what makes the packers different
onyx shore
i like valve approach on dota2
deft valley
and for OWL, those owners decided they want to put the city name on it (with eventual arena home)
fiery reef
They don't have an owner
deft valley
and get certain players
onyx shore
like now we can't see rogue
balmy wolf
Look at the NBA for example
full lion
TIL
lofty rapids
You're also completely discounting that this is year 1 stage 1
And you're comparing it other well established sports
balmy wolf
all the professional players know, at the moment there is no competition for korea
deft valley
I'm pretty sure no "well established sport" started out wiht a bunch of teams all playing in LA lol
lofty rapids
Because they all need to start the same way
balmy wolf
right now, nada
full lion
othinus i'm in the same boat as you. im from ny but nyxl is jsut another korean team to me. i root for players i like or underdogs in a given match
balmy wolf
no european or north american player is at top korean level right now
some are getting close
delicate mural
deft valley
regarding city names, I think not playing anywhere near their city is a much bigger thing than korean players
still not a very big thing
onyx shore
let's imagine if blizzard make a new rule "every team must now at least have 2 players from their respective country"
fiery reef
Here is my thing ... at the end of the season, do they go home to the city they "represent" .. or do they go home to their home country. Right now, the teams are located in LA. For the first year. So outside of a simple City name on their Jersey they don't really reprsent anything.
Once the cities have their own playing areas .. or what have you .. and if the players are actually living their while they play. Sure thats fine .. but If they fly over from Korea or EU slap on a city name and "represent" that city all of a sudden. I just don't feel it
deft valley
but a bigger one than foreign rosters
onyx shore
then spitfire picked up two british players
those two british players will never play
lofty rapids
How about this. If someone wanted to have a team based in Poland, you're saying that they should be required to have a Polish player? Even if they were just benched? Or we're literally only there to be a token polish person?
fiery reef
Thats not what I'm saying, idk about others
fresh arrow
wouldn't that just be like, the world cup
lofty rapids
You're assuming it would work because England. But this makes it bullshit for smaller scenes.
delicate mural
Sports take people from all over the world all the time. It's really a big, fat who cares. If you pay them, they will come.
fresh arrow
the world cup is the one where people play for their countries
deft valley
Those two british players get to ride the bench for spitfire as opposed to getting an actual chance for a different team, too
balmy wolf
Btw just gonna say it now, no company will buy into the league if they know their team can't win.
lofty rapids
Your view is myopic, it's based on emotion not fact, and frankly xenophobia, and you've admitted you're not going to change your mind.
So... Yeah
bitter nebula
hey
onyx shore
wo wow wow
fiery reef
Did you not read the last thing I typed?
balmy wolf
If I own a sports team and want to invest into OWL, why would I pick players that have no chance of winning
delicate mural
@balmy wolf That's a silly suggestion, given it's a long term investment, not short term one.
onyx shore
xenophobia is kinda too far i think
bitter nebula
all teams should be region locked. woudl make OWL mnore competitive
lofty rapids
Is it?
delicate mural
That's the plan.
deft valley
no it wouldn't lol what
lofty rapids
They don't like people representing their city because of where they're from
bitter nebula
OH IT WOULDNT?
onyx shore
@bitter nebula what do you mean region lock?
lofty rapids
They're not enough like them.
onyx shore
can you explain?
fiery reef
I'm guessing you just ignored the last thing I said but ok
bitter nebula
guys im trollling
fiery reef
keep doing you
deft valley
don't
lofty rapids
That's xenophobia.
balmy wolf
It's obvious he is trolling
delicate mural
Nah, he's right. Region lock the teams.
balmy wolf
That isn't xenophobia
fiery reef
Suggesting that the players live in the City they represent WHILE representing said team = Xenophobia .. you learn something new everyday
bitter nebula
region lock it
delicate mural
Can only load players into the teams if they are from the region. You get an error code otherwise.
deft valley
othinus bay be wrong but he's at least taking the discussion respectfully
you aren't
bitter nebula
would make the team names actually mean something
balmy wolf
Xenophobia is when you don't like foreigners
deft valley
stop
onyx shore
so @fiery reef are you fine if london spitfire actually lives in london,but they travel to play?
balmy wolf
if you don't want them representing you it's just an opinion
deft valley
isn't that the plan for once the arenas are done
lofty rapids
Xenophobia is an irrational dislike of a foreigner. I consider their opinion irrational.
fiery reef
Of course... if they live there then they are representing it
bitter nebula
whats the difference between what im saying and orthinus???????
delicate mural
Nintendo DSi the fuck outta these teams.
bitter nebula
how am I troling and he isnt if im saying the same
onyx shore
that's the plan for s2
fiery reef
If they fly from Korea to LA, and never set foot in London, how are they representing London?
deft valley
just, stop
lofty rapids
So I'm calling it xenophobia. If it was based in anything factual I wouldn't call it that, but even they said it was all just how they felt.
delicate mural
NO KOREANS ALLOWED ON SEOUL DYNASTY.
bitter nebula
hey we are okay with havign this convo
balmy wolf
No koreans allowed anywhere
lofty rapids
Because they're literally paid to represent London.
balmy wolf
ban korea
bitter nebula
nami might be on to something
onyx shore
they even hired stylosa FFS
lofty rapids
Because it's their jobs
delicate mural
BAN KOREA FROM EARTH.
bitter nebula
@delicate mural give us your hot takes
onyx shore
well,if a team doesnt want to sign koreans,it's also their rights
dark bear
I HAVE A BIGGER NUCLEAR BUTTON THAN THEM
onyx shore
it goes both ways
deft valley
@delicate mural @bitter nebula not helping
onyx shore
as team owner,you sign anyone you want
deft valley
if you don't like the convo, don't participate
or talk about something else
don't shitpost
full lion
othinus is jsut pointing how how the teams being city based is arbitrary. they could be named after and representing other planets and it would be the same
bitter nebula
whast the diff between what im saying and orthinus is aying?
balmy wolf
https://youtu.be/PPme5cIZ70o?t=23
This is how english spitfire is
delicate mural
My hot takes? Chipotle is bad, Tom Brady is overrated, who cares about pineapple on pizza one way or another, and Korean players should be banned from Overwatch League entirely.
deft valley
he is saying it seriously and you just want to stir shit up
bitter nebula
what if i was being serious
fiery reef
@lofty rapids I am sorry. You are right. I am just some stupid Xenophobe for thinking players should live in the cities they represent while representing them. I know home stadiums aren't built, and I am excited for when that happens.
delicate mural
Do I have to stop?
deft valley
(he is)
onyx shore
if im not mistaken
balmy wolf
@fiery reef That just isn't possible unless you remove the for-profit aspect of sports
deft valley
#notthegoat
onyx shore
one of the los angeles team already got their own stadium?
bitter nebula
rather build a franchise ariound bortles tbh
deft valley
you can be great and still overrated
deft valley
for example when pats homers are claiming you're the greatest of all time
delicate mural
Boston sports fans are the worst across the board, to be fair.
fiery reef
@balmy wolf what do you mean? I am pretty certain in American sports the players during season at least all live in or very near the city the play for.
deft valley
^
There are two russian players in OWL
I wanted to support a team that has one
One of those teams is called Philadelphia
delicate mural
XENOPHOBE.
deft valley
but even the name of Boston is enough to turn me off ever supporting htat team
yes they do
whole mulch
They live in la atm yes
fiery reef
Currently all the teams are in LA yes
bitter nebula
why wouldn they??
fiery reef
because they don't have any home stadiums
delicate mural
Let's be fair. I don't care that James Harden is from Los Angeles. He plays for my hometown Houston Rockets. That's my team. I root for my team. That's just how sports works today.
bitter nebula
tbh the home stadium thing shuldnt happen
fiery reef
and I dont think any coach wants to pay for new flights every single week
deft valley
is anything not DOGshit in your opinion
bitter nebula
awful in throery
delicate mural
@onyx shore The Raiders are still in Oakland.
bitter nebula
yeah, region locking
full lion
sports fandom is illogical 
deft valley
you wanna try that sentence again?
fiery reef
yeah idk .. I dislike sports
delicate mural
Las Vegas won't be done with that insanely, stupidly expensive stadium for years.
deft valley
because with traditional sports, yea they're not from where you are
but they play where you are
OWL teams don't do that either
when the arenas thing gets completed I think it'll be much better in that regard
bitter nebula
stadiums wont happen
delicate mural
Overwatch League teams don't play where you are season one.
They will season two.
deft valley
lolno
delicate mural
lolyes
deft valley
they won't get done by S2
delicate mural
I think you're assuming these things will fill stadiums.
fiery reef
If they don't live here. They don't play here. How exactly are representing me in anyway? Thats what I don't get or agree with .
deft valley
3, maybe
bitter nebula
GIROUD doesnt lice in chelsea, why shuld he play there
delicate mural
And office spaces.
full lion
your question is philosophical othinus
onyx shore
team name
bitter nebula
if im an owner, lets say I own BOSTON, im saying fuckit we are playing in blizzards stadium in LA
onyx shore
is purely cosmetic and marketing
deft valley
if they needed stadiums those cities actually have one to rent lmao
bitter nebula
such awaasye
delicate mural
Stadiums are not needed for OWL.
deft valley
the arenas have to be purpose made
full lion
team names mean nothing and rooting for a team because it has your city name is illogical but who cares cuz sports
onyx shore
it's to attract people from different place
delicate mural
No they do not.
fiery reef
@full lion nah, don't mind me, I'm just a xenophobe @lofty rapids Ain't that right
deft valley
stop
delicate mural
Is League of Legends played in a giant arena every single game?
deft valley
aggravating people deliberately
onyx shore
i dont even root for my own country's national team at fifa world cup
delicate mural
No it is not.
deft valley
and real estate contracts aren't made on a whim
delicate mural
They play their biggest games in Staples Center.
onyx shore
then again
bitter nebula
l;eague has its own littel studio
delicate mural
They play much smaller games in office spaces that have been rented and converted.
deft valley
considering they also plan to expand for S2
onyx shore
if the plan for having home-away matches are canceled
bitter nebula
RIOT built one
delicate mural
This is not rocket science.
onyx shore
i dont really mind
fiery reef
There are already places in many of these cities where games are held for different reasons. They likely wouldn't ahve to build new stadiums but rent current ones and put up portable stage props
delicate mural
They wouldn't fill stadiums every game.
deft valley
that means you have to make those in new cities where we don't even know if there will be a team yet
fiery reef
They already don't feel the stage they have lol
deft valley
no one is talking stadiums
fiery reef
We are talking about 30-100 seats
you don't think 30-100 people will watch a game live?
delicate mural
No, but you're talking buildings tailor built specifically for Overwatch League.
Which is ridiculous.
deft valley
you're severely underestimating the planning it takes to "just rent an office space" for a regular schedule
fiery reef
no
deft valley
I never said the space have to be tailor built
fiery reef
I'm talking about buildings like the Microsoft Store in NYC, which holds tournaments in part of its area.
onyx shore
but i'm not sure it will work
fiery reef
The size that fits about .. 50 people.
delicate mural
You know leasing is a thing, right?
deft valley
I said the space has to be set up in advance
you know leasing takes planning, right?
delicate mural
Or flat out buying floors.
fiery reef
I'm not suggesting they rent out Giants Stadium or some shit.
Of course they wouldn't fill that
lofty rapids
@fiery reef no, but you have some xenophobic beliefs according to it's definition, and your far more caught up in being insulted and being upset rather than addressing the attitude you have and how you actively refuse to change it when faced with new information
delicate mural
Dude, what the fuck kind of dumb shit are you saying? It takes planning? What are you suggesting they are doing if not planning?
onyx shore
what i regret about overwatch esport in general is,we have so many incredible skin,but can't use it
full lion
^
deft valley
I'll bet you this shit won't be ready by S2
fiery reef
@lofty rapids As long as they do not live here, and do not play here, I can't see how they represent me. And that won't change. How is that Xenophobic?
bitter nebula
it wont
onyx shore
we are forced using recolors of default skin
bitter nebula
it wont and never will be
delicate mural
Hey, that is an opinion I can listen to. "It takes planning," as a reason for why it won't happen is just dumb, though.
bitter nebula
it wont happen BECAUSE owners wont invest, the $$ wont make sense the numbers wont make sense
fiery reef
Chances are we won't see home Stadiums until Season 3 .. because they need to make sure people still keep up viewership the entire time.
lofty rapids
@fiery reef because they don't represent you based on an arbitrary line. They're literally being paid to represent London, but that's not good enough because they're not from England. Not London, like the team is named and.located, but England as a whole. Not European. But English.
deft valley
they've said they've got an expansion for s2
delicate mural
No, I didn't say it's a small arena. I said it doesn't need to be a tailor made building from the ground up like you said specifically for OWL because all they need is a smaller space.
deft valley
i never said that
fiery reef
what? So if I pay a homeless guy 50$, give him a shirt that says Brazil, hes now being paid to represent brazil. Even though he doesn't live there right?
deft valley
stop putting words in my mouth