It's more likely Contenders will become more like the baseball minors
#esports-discussion
restive spear
I can't believe Seoul lost again today!
pearl stratus
@deft valley Thats what they said they were using Contenders as.
I just didn't realize almost all the teams had their contender teams already, just haven't announced rosters minus Philly.
Contenders is going to be the OWL "farm teams".
deft valley
It's not quite the same structure as minors, since there are other teams as well
but yea
pearl stratus
I think its actually smarter since you can have random teams too.
It lets them see talent they might have missed otherwise.
Especially since I think a few of the teams are realizing getting those players who weren't on insane teams are pretty useful.
Like finding that Libero is a good thing. Libero was never on a bad team per say, but he was that weird "I play 12 things because my team needs it."
I'd love to see more Libero like players pop up in OWL, but I think he's pretty rare.
north tendon
balmy wolf
Yupp
fresh arrow
onyx shore
can 3rd party tournaments have custom skin pls? i can't get back watching regular tournament after getting spoiled by owl
lul
grizzled mulch
probably not
they will have to adhere to Blizz's rules
which will means no skin
gaunt acorn
not really
there's no clause that he has to play for fusion once he's eligible
but it's a possibility now
spring lintel
Why would they take whoru when they have sdb
scarlet spear
good player, still has 2 years till he can play in OWL anyways, doesnt seem like a bad choice
red anvil
Because Whoru is a way more accomplished player then SDB
scarlet spear
cant have the enemy teams get a godtier genji when he could be riding your bench 
red anvil
a darn great recruit for a academy team
scarlet spear
yeah exactly
only thing that might get sketchy is him and alarm being so young
im guessing they will move to NA for the contenders seasons
red anvil
Probably a team house in philly or possibily LA
scarlet spear
yeah, just hope for them they wont get personal problems when doing that
moving ot the other side of the globe when you're 16 to play video games for a living is a bit sketchy imo, hope they will do well
red anvil
The philly staff is some of the best staff there is in OWL
they will be taken good care of
And whoru have lived in a team house for a year already
and if its LA he can hang out with his old team mates from time to time
scarlet spear
yeah i hope it turns out well for them, always loved watching whoru back in LH
strange terrace
Who do you think is going to win the leauge
red anvil
Not exactly suprised
subtle fable
IDK renew his passport.
maybe he signed with contenders or league team.
red anvil
i want iDK to Runaway 
slim summit
Fun fact: Houston Outlaws now has the highest elo of any non-Korean team ... and also has a higher elo than Spitfire
As always, take this silliness with a yuge grain of salt: https://i.imgur.com/MdWPpgM.png
that should say "Week 4 Projections"
scarlet spear
success built on tairongs belly
slim summit
Yeah, that totally contributes: Houston went 4-0 against Dallas, Shanghai, Florida, and Gladiators in the past two weeks
which is a huge boost
scarlet spear
well they have seoul and london coming up, gonna be interesting
altho next game SF shock is going to be a steamroll i guess
slim summit
keep the 4-0 streak going!
Until they face Dynasty ...
Houston went 1-2 against Dynasty in the preseason
for tairongs belly
slim summit
Then again, Fuel went 1-2 against Dynasty in week 1 :tracerkek:
Yeah, 1-3 against NYXL
scarlet spear
im torn on houston personally
i like some of their players, but i kinda dont like the team in general
slim summit
Muma baiting xQc gave me a great deal of pleasure
scarlet spear
that was funny indeed, but when i see muma i always have to think of a character in southpark, i just cant unsee it
slim summit
I can't say I'm really terribly invested in any players / teams
I've been supporting London over their Horizon antics from that one match
scarlet spear
NYXL personally, their team is just so likeable
props to their production team
they've been on point with the marketing for their team
slim summit
I'll be rooting for NYXL in the title matches
as likely it will be Seoul vs NYXL
what do you mean?
scarlet spear
yeah i was kinda eh about NYXL personally
especially after all that LW disaster
with kicking luna right as signing windows closed for APEX etc
slim summit
ah
is that the order in which they're played?
i just assumed it was a losers bracket?
i.e. #1 team vs #2, then loser vs #3
cool
scarlet spear
that kinda sucks
slim summit
would not be fun to play a 5 map series against any Korean team & win just to immediately play a 5 map series against another
slim summit
yeah, pretty heavy disadvantage
scarlet spear
why not make the stage finals the next day?
slim summit
they could also have been playing for 8 hours at the time
Last day of Stage 1 has NYXL vs London at 12:00 PM & Houston vs Boston at 2:00 PM
slim summit
So you're very likely going to have London or NYXL play for 6 hours
6 hours of matches
over the span of, what, 12 hours?
scarlet spear
yeah make a showmatch inbetween
to give the qualifying team some downtime
yeah
just like a short game kinda
could do CS:GO kinda shenanigans with casters etc
so we can get to see Doas bloodthirsty zenyatta in action
yeah remains to be seen
i think NYXL has a good shot at getting #1
slim summit
I can't imagine NYXL losing to Spitfire
unless Spitfire becomes good
then again, last week I wouldn't have imagined Spitfire losing to Uprising or NYXL losing to Fusion
yeah totally agree
they make some great plays
i'm pretty excited to see them play more matches
grizzled mulch
all the KR teams have their own blindspot
it is just a matter of time tbh
but don't tell people that
especially those who thinks that saying things like "KR will never get beaten in OW" is good
vestal mortar
👀
grizzled mulch
@vestal mortar you wasn't in other discord but a bunch of them basically quit themselves the moment London/NYXL lost to their Western counterpart
vestal mortar
Welp
scarlet spear
holy fuck that overtime battle was intense
subtle fable
actually i felt like chinese team played badly today
team cc lost 6-4 teamfight against runaway.
red anvil
What did the score end at?
scarlet spear
2-0
red anvil
alrite ty ^^
drifting mirage
@subtle fable it's not like the CN teams have been playing well
gaunt acorn
gray thorn
scarlet spear
deft valley
that applies to overwatch league but also to so much more
grizzled mulch
i mean
you could be worse
you could be a raving lunatic who thinks that Valve is the best esport organizer of their game ever
young kernel
HEYO peeps im ignorant here lil help please.. what's elo and I have no clue what over watch pit is?
narrow dew
they can both be T2
sick path
Does anyone else have problems staying signed in on the OWL app? Android btw
solid spear
blazing parrot
faint herald
when is xQc back?
faint herald
Thanks
magic zinc
Tairong's Twitter is my favorite twitter account tbh
young kernel
@WolfofVillainy#4680 thank you sir
balmy wolf
young kernel
Is Comp Play The Doorway To Pit Or Is There More
vestal mortar
Open division
balmy wolf
will this week owl matches be played on the newest patch?
magic zinc
Nope, probably Stage 2 will be
They have their own clients so they don't have to be on the latest patch
balmy wolf
same with pre-season i guess? i think it was played when mercy can only res with ult
grizzled mulch
Stage 2 will be play with new patch
each stage will have their own patch
just so that everyone is consistent about it
balmy wolf
young kernel
@taraforest#5794 thanks
deft valley
maybe
but not for a long while
possibly stage 5?
i mean "at all in OWL" definitely yes
"in season 1" maybe
limber pine
@torn mural unless that's an esports montage, you're in the wrong channel
brave quarry
will the mercy and junkrat changes affect the league as well, or are they waiting until after?
deft valley
they'll be applied in stage 2
brave quarry
neat ty
obsidian tundra
like a prize for winning?
spring lintel
The competition is so garbage in open division and fame doesn’t matter at all imo
The prize is 50$ bnet
spring lintel
It feels like open division is just for fun and kinda useless.
obsidian tundra
maybe a bit of recognition
spring lintel
Not a path for recognition
obsidian tundra
Thats how they explained it in the path to pro video
spring lintel
The competition is extremely lousy
I guess it’s supposed to be
Ladder seems to be the best way to get recognized
For solo player
spring lintel
Yeah
Even for a team, just 6 stack and get to the top
Open division is useless.
First tier in division is 8-0, second tier is 7-1, third tier is 6-2 and it goes to like over 50 teams.
Rob420 team is in the second tier
obsidian tundra
Theres no rank restriction right?
spring lintel
Nope that’s why it’s stupid
spring lintel
Master +
obsidian tundra
I was tempted to make a meme team for it
spring lintel
Doesnt matter free 10$
spring lintel
Yeah
Show up for at least 8 out of 10
The masters + teams are like the top 100 teams
OWL mid season pick up team is pretty stacked and they will win the whole thing within losing a map
obsidian tundra
I love how they give blizzard credit
So theyre not even actually losing anything
obsidian tundra
Id be the shanghai of the open division
spring lintel
There are literally 4-6 teams out of the 300 teams that haven’t won anything
obsidian tundra
Do you know what sr the players are in it
obsidian tundra
is it still open
spring lintel
Nah but it will end soon
spring lintel
This weekend is the last one for us, the weekend after is for the playoffs
obsidian tundra
So youre in it?
obsidian tundra
Nice
spring lintel
The first one we lost cause it was the first time playing together after like 2 months
But thank god we lost it
The team that won, went against 2 pro teams.
drifting mirage
The point of Open is getting into OWC
spring lintel
The savages and rob420 team
obsidian tundra
OWC not owl?
spring lintel
Is first spot invited to contenders? That would make a lot of sense.
Actually the best thing possible
drifting mirage
Top 4? of Open go to OWC Trials to play against bottom 4 of last OWC (or in this season in NA it's top 7 vs Kungarna, top 6 if RNG keeps their spot
spring lintel
Really? That is insane good.
spring lintel
Like the upcoming owc season?
Or is it the one after
Cause rn in NA there are 7 teams in owc
drifting mirage
OWC is 12 teams
The current Open teams will go to OWC trials, then those teams will be in OWC this March
spring lintel
OWC have 7 announced teams rn
How are they going to fill contenders currently?
Invitations?
uncut turtle
drifting mirage
OWC NA has 11 invited, 7 guaranteed (academy teams). The last spot (if the other 4 invited accept) will be decided through the trials
The vid I posted explains it
@overturned#6982 Danteh probably
spring lintel
What about EU?
drifting mirage
EU has 4 guaranteed and 3 invited, if those 3 accept top 5 Trials teams go to OWC
spring lintel
Eu has 4/5 empty spots
Trials top5 it says
Oh makes sense
But what happens in the trials? All of the old teams have disbanded
Won’t they just get in
drifting mirage
Yeah, Mosaic, Spitfire, Bazooka Puppies, and Gigantti are confirmed
spring lintel
Instead of top5 trials it should be top5 open division and next season it’s when it really starts
drifting mirage
Wdym top 5 contenders
drifting mirage
Top 8 open will play for those 5 spots
spring lintel
Yeah
And next season is when trials actually start
Trials should be low contenders team vs top division right?
drifting mirage
Bottom 4 OWC vs top 4 Open
spring lintel
Yeah so no trials for first season, instead it’s top open divison teams to fill.
Season 2 OWC is when you will have trials.
Damn this is more competitive than OWL
And I LOVE IT
drifting mirage
Top 8 Open division teams will be in another tournament, the top 5 of that tournament will be in OWC
EU
drifting mirage
No
spring lintel
The firs 8 teams of open divison are the only teams that will play the playoffs
Why would they play again? It makes no sesne
drifting mirage
Ask Blizz
spring lintel
Are you sure about this?
drifting mirage
watch the damn video
spring lintel
I watched it
Lemme rewatch it to make sure
To me it seems it’s gonna be weird for the first one cause there are no low contenders teams
pseudo sail
hey ppl, icymi interviewed TaiRong ^^ https://twitter.com/RadoNonfire/status/958259521343934464
gaunt acorn
man the map pool for stage 2 looks incredible
onyx shore
sorry if this question has been asked before,will tomorrow game use the latest patch?
onyx shore
i see
gaunt acorn
Stage 2 Map Pool
Assault: Volskaya/Hanamura
Control: Nepal/Lijiang
Hybrid: King's Row/Hollywood
Escort: Route 66/Gibraltar
Tiebreaker: Ilios
onyx shore
HANAMURA 
gaunt acorn
stage 2 is like all the best maps in one stage
onyx shore
so,what will be the map order?
gaunt acorn
the order i listed
onyx shore
the tiebreaker will be on lijiang?
gaunt acorn
it doesn't say what the tiebreaker will be
lijiang is already one of the control maps
so no, not likely
tiebreaker willi be either ilios or oasis
red anvil
huh?
is the 2nd hybrid confirmed to be KR?
it used to say ???
Aka everyone asumed it to be blizz world
gaunt acorn
the overwatch league website
gritty dawn
Does anyone know when the mercy/junk nerfs go live for OWL?
red anvil
scroll a bit up
gritty dawn
Sorry, and thank you
scarlet spear
kings row 
finally
now just need a favourite of my teams to pick up kaiser and we're good
spring lintel
Everyone is going to choose volskaya LOL
Good thing they put it with the best maps
So if we have one garbage map, the other ones are all great.
spring lintel
Why are there 2 maps then?
You are right but how will they pick?
Maybe 2 halfs within a stage?
scarlet spear
blizzard rolling a dice for all i know ? ¯_(ツ)_/¯
ill check if i find something about it
spring lintel
Finally some good maps without mercy and HOPEFULLY junkrat will get nerfed more
scarlet spear
hmm seems most likely that blizzard predetermines the maps for the games... couldnt find any info with a clear ruleset from blizzard
indeed
spring lintel
Without mercy, junkrat got an indirect buff
scarlet spear
no more mercy 
spring lintel
He gets a random pick and they won the fight in 2cp
scarlet spear
yeah, gonna be interesting to see what happens on a professional level with those changes
slim summit
I didn't think about the Mercy -> Junkrat change that way
I'll have to look at the balance change list
gaunt acorn
@spring lintel they don't get to pick
it's random, just like it is now
well, pre-determined by blizz, probably at random
you can already see which maps will be played for which matches if you look on the schedule for stage 2
spring lintel
Is it like gonna be random between the 2 maps for every single match and day
Or is it gonna like change daily
Or is it just 1 set the whole stage
molten skiff
Map pool changes every stage
gaunt acorn
it will be those same 9 maps for the duration of stage 2
if you'd like to see which maps will be played on each day, check the schedule
scarlet spear
the question now is who signed kaiser in the mid season signings for kings row
gaunt acorn
probably one of the korean teams
i'd like to see him on seoul
i wonder if kaiser has put time into orisa lately
scarlet spear
yeah but i think shanghai call themselves SHD, so it kinda works out
at least their players are called SHDxxx on bnet
subtle fable
rumour has it that some of x6 players sign with league team
scarlet spear
who? i could see architect being a good pickup, no clue about the others from the team
subtle fable
godsb, choihyobin, nosmite disappeared from scrim
ex-conbox oge is in NA also. i think he signed with academy team.
scarlet spear
cool, cant wait for more academy teams and official OWL signings
subtle fable
kaiser, lucid got team. maybe oversea?
scarlet spear
i really want to see kaiser have success, would be great if he was in OWL
subtle fable
there is no space for main tank in full korean league team.
subtle fable
i thought main tank means tank specialist like rein/orisa/winston
am i wrong?
maybe I made a mistake because I didnt know term well.
grizzled mulch
Nah the term is correct.
scarlet spear
thats right, but a team is able to have 2 main tanks, one specialized on winston and one on rein for example, and swap between them depending on maps
its a posibility, not a must thing to do
subtle fable
oh i understand.
spring lintel
They do that because some players are so much better on one main tank than others
Specially winston, cause his style of play is very different than other main tanks
gaunt acorn
doesn't sound boring to me
finite cedar
The Pirate ship has quite evolved on Junkertown. The fact the maps are limited and stay in for a while means they keep improving tactics.
scarlet spear
i mean junkertown evolved quite a bit
from straight up pirateship, to some solo healer pirateship hybrid with hanzo
theres been a lot of fun stuff on the first point imo
seeing RJH on mei aswell
for that first point
uncut moon
quad tank moira mercy lunar point A
another example of fun to watch once
or was it moira lucio
for the speed
finite cedar
Lucio Moria is proably even more effective than Mercy.
uncut moon
yeah
it was lucio
my bad
I can't remember which team runs it but always on point A lunar they have rein, zarya, roadhog, dva, moira, lucio
deft valley
We’ve seen this with triple tank
It was a fun gimmick back when it was called the “ninjas in pyjamas strat”
but when it became meta it got boring as shit
with the only source of fun being the occasional uber-Ana like rjh nailing sleeps
You know how there are complaints about “the best Anas/Zens/Lucios in the world being forced to Mercy”?
During 3tank it was the same complaint with the best DPS being forced onto Tanks
finite cedar
Roadhog was bascially a DPS.
deft valley
he was a boring dps
3tank’s problem is exactly the same as mercy meta problem
There’s way too much room for mistakes
scarlet spear
i dunno that taimou hog play in APEX S1 vs. afreeca freecs was pretty ... but i didnt really watch much pro OW tourneys back then
deft valley
with their level of health and ana’s healing
but for some reason people are now getting nostalgic for it
forest raven
Since triple/quad tank Rein, Zarya, Hog and Ana have been nerfed and altered
If heavy deathball comps are used, it'll be the slambulance with Moira in enclosed environments
deft valley
dva too, that was during it and after
scarlet spear
slambulance is such a good name for a comp
forest raven
Thank DoA for that one
limber pine
You'll probably see alot more triple tank next stage
the maps lend themselves to it more
finite cedar
Yup, regardless of Mercy and Junkrat change
limber pine
Map pool for next stage:
Assault: Volskaya/Hanamura
Control: Nepal/Lijiang Tower
Hybrid: Hollywood/Kings Row
Escort: Route 66/Gibraltar
a lot more closed quarters
gaunt acorn
yes it's pinned already
limber pine
Dray plz
gaunt acorn
limber pine
you know I don't check pins
limber pine
FeelsNAman
gaunt acorn
im NA tho
limber pine
da fuq are you doing up at 3
gaunt acorn
its 6:54
forest raven
There's definitely gonna be tank play purely because of the Mercy nerf, but Gibraltar, the majority of 66, the majority of both koth maps, and Hollywood are all dive friendly
gaunt acorn
xQc better not got suspended again
scarlet spear
uncut moon
Stage 2 Map Pool
deft valley
so stage 2 is “whatever wasn’t at stage 1”
makes sense but then how are they gonna make the pool for 3
finite cedar
Random, comitee decision, vote,...
deft valley
i’m not talking about the mechanics of it but well done gold star
red anvil
idm if he gets suspended again 
pearl stratus
Even if he doesn't get suspended theres no reason to pull him off the bench.
They play so much more cohesively without him.
red anvil
cocco dont feel confident on monkey, so no
pearl stratus
He doesn't, but their Ball and Chain comp they're running right now will work even better in Stage 2.
So they could just keep refining.
finite cedar
Dive is still extremely effective on point attacks. So for Assault and Controll they were at a disadvantage with Orisa.
gaunt acorn
?
forest raven
Twitter
scarlet spear
only fusion academy team so far afaik
magic zinc
Mods, maybe we should add in the Pins that OWL isn't being played on the current patch, but that they have their own client
We'll get bombed by that tonight I'm sure 
limber pine
I'll probably just add it to the #esports-news later
uncut moon
I wonder if it will throw any of the OWL players off from regularly playing with and against a mercy in the current patch in comp vs when they are on stage on the Stage 1 rules, will they forget she has 2 insta res in Valk
scarlet spear
not really
they have their daily scrims then play comp after
and scrims are on the tournament client
dont think its going to have any impact on them
appart from having fun in ranked
scarlet spear
oh shit, OW Pit is playing on patch 
no mercy comps
slender swallow
magic zinc
Waaaaait a sec
Once a player turns 18, they can play
They no longer have to wait till the next stage
https://youtu.be/eBFmbVVLrJg?t=14m45s Timestamp
Oh, but there is still a cut-off...
Flower specifically won't be eligible until Season 2, they made the cut-off date May 5th
Flower turns 18 a week later rip
Blizzardworld confirmed for Stage 3 it seems
last lantern
limber pine
Dallas played Seoul, London, Houston, and Valiant the first two weeks
not saying they shouldn't have done better, but that's a brutal start of the season.
scarlet spear
its also a community ranking open to everyone
so its going to be a bit biased towards fan favourites
that being said i personally would think that dallas is definitely stronger than SF right now
limber pine
I'd put them similar, but higher because they did beat SFS in the head-to-head
slim summit
power rankings are just a measure of community biases 😃
slim summit
Valiant vs Fusion should be a good match
slim summit
Against shock? unlikely
my elo model puts it at a 75% chance of Houston winning, which would make it a bigger upset than either Boston beating London or Fusion beating NYXL .... but that's just evidence that the model is bad, because that can't possibly be true.
I know exactly what you mean
ohhhhhh
my bad, i read that correctly but didn't actually put it in my brain
i see what you're saying
yeah, i mean, shanghai very nearly put seoul in a tiebreaker match
barely losing Numbani to a Valk
Yeah, true
vestal mortar
👏 Outlaws! 👏
tawny sigil
man how do people follow this stuff, i have 99% free time and its so consuming.
i guess its meant so that people can follow their team, not watch everything
like who watches every NFL matches right
deft valley
well the nfl matches also go on at the same time
tawny sigil
is it 6hours 4 times a week?
deft valley
there's two days (thurs and monday) with just one game
and sunday is three in a row
but during the first two Sunday slots there's multiple games at the same time
there's some special cases with London games, Thanksgiving and late-season Saturdays but that's the base schedule
vestal mortar
I mostly watch Dynasty and Outlaws and if people tell me certain matches were real good.
deft valley
well they have 12 games instead of 16 and they last for two hours instead of 4
not to mention only have one arena
they'll have to either double up or go down to one game a week if they keep the schedule and expand the league
tawny sigil
well i watch but if it starts to become really one sided, i mentally tune out
magic zinc
Oh god why does the OWL channel always just mass-upload stuff I can't keep up
This week's Watchpoint had some interesting stuff
river birch
cosmic gyro
which patch are they going to be using
scarlet spear
pre-mercy nerf that just went live
nate talking about how they make the time for matches better for fans from those towns watching taking london as an example
london plays at 4 AM UK time
nvm 2 AM, still shit
scarlet spear
yea
slim summit
unless you want players to play in the middle of the night local time
or if you want to have another arena on the other side of the world
scarlet spear
im fine with it personally
they are at shit times for me, but i know it cant always be made for everyone
slim summit
hopefully season 2 will get a european arena
tawny sigil
the cringe is real
young sonnet
I actually think it's pretty funny. Just like wtf are they thinking though 
tawny sigil
this is mean
scarlet spear
i liked doa as mercy tbh, the hair fit him
dusky tinsel
I love this
tawny sigil
lol...
dusky tinsel
KKona
magic zinc
I think it would be great if there were Sunday matches, for Europe especially
dusky tinsel
not sure why it isn't Friday Saturday Sunday
young sonnet
I know i hate the times they stream these matches. I literally have to go to bed in 10 minutes or i will fall asleep at work
Suppose they have stats which means more NA watches this than EU ¯_(ツ)_/¯
magic zinc
Could be that they dont wanna compete with traditional sports on Sunday, but its not like the audience overlaps much
civic marsh
effects cat is cute af
civic marsh
civic marsh
i dunno
someone made this for him tho lol https://twitter.com/EFFECT/status/958763982751281154
civic marsh
hyperthonk
scarlet spear
young sonnet
wat
dusk garden
im just dumb
young sonnet
young sonnet
Yh
dusk garden
ok thats actually hype
young sonnet
Shame it's at 3 IN THE FUCKING MORNING!!!!!
forest raven
Yep, each stage has their own playoffs
balmy wolf
gun b gud
forest raven
Top team is in the final and the 2nd and 3rd team play a semi-final qualifier
forest raven
Winner gets $100k and runner-up gets $25k
Each stage has their own separate standings, but series and map record are important for season playoffs
Stage 1 standings don't influence stage 2 standings at all, so every team has the opportunity to win the $100k at the end of each stage
dusk garden
i find it stupid that they don't just put 3 or 5 maps every round because 4 maps and a tiebreaker is going to mess up the map points and some teams are going to have more maps than others
forest raven
Series record is looked at before map record
If one team has more series wins than another, map record is totally irrelevant
And if two teams have the same series record, the team that's played the least maps i.e. the team that's had the more 4-0's will have a greater map record anyway
tawny sigil
any reason why people always boo him?
uncut moon
boo who
full lion
or are they actually saying soooooon
uncut moon
oh soon
scarlet spear
unkoe sitting? 
pearl cedar
full lion
is grim on fusion?
uncut moon
lets see if fragi has reigned in his winston a bit
runic stag
Wow do they all have Herman miller's? Goddamn
dusk garden
When i google "carpe" is shows a carp (fish)
civic marsh
don't forget our boi numlocked @scarlet spear
uncut moon
lol
scarlet spear
oh yeah i was thinking i forgot someone
full lion
google is correct yes
uncut moon
koi carpe
scarlet spear
who else is permariding the bench ?
forest raven
TwoEasy, Mendo and iddqd will combine together to become the ultimate bench
dusk garden
eventally theyre gonna make a bench team
full lion
RELEASE IDDQD
uncut moon
exactly
sinful heron
Missed the start, this is on old patch right?
dusk garden
yes
sinful heron
Tyty
dusk garden
mercy isnt dead until s2 ;-;
uncut moon
even then mercy isnt dead
scarlet spear
stage 2, not season 2
full lion
sadness
uncut moon
still gonna be a top pick
scarlet spear
isnt it?
sinful heron
Damn shame, I don't want to see Mercy anymore
forest raven
Patch changes occur each stage, yeah
full lion
i imagine most support players dont want to play mercy anymore
dusk garden
DEAD
scarlet spear
so yeah, a good 3 weeks till mercy is gone in OWL, gonna be fine
full lion
junkrat is still good lol
spring lintel
Why is unkoe not playing?
spring lintel
Punished for the stupid skin jokes?
sinful heron
I think it's a nice middle ground
dusk garden
@spring lintel cuz valiant
spring lintel
This is the first time they switched him
sinful heron
I'm hyped for carpe vs soon
dusk garden
tru
hidden vault
Is it still LAV vs PF?
uncut moon
Monte 
hidden vault
Olay
dusk garden
it just started
sinful heron
Olé!
hidden vault
My got I woke uo so early today
spring lintel
It’s just starting niceto
spring lintel
I just woke up too
full lion
mein got
solar wharf
“The lack of knowledge makes me more handsome” same
full lion
^
dusk garden
i just woke up 11 hours ago
like literally just woke up 11 hours ago
WAIT
VERBO IS PLAYING
POGGERS
sinful heron
Yup
final river
Mercy still good
solar wharf
“Resurrection enthusiasts” you mean necromancers
sinful heron
I really like Soldier, I think he's massively underrated vs dive
full lion
ye
scarlet spear
how did they not show the kill on carpe but a fuckin payload where nothing happened ?
dusk garden
soon isnt c9 confirmed
shrewd jacinth
he's underrated only if he has range.
dusk garden
he plays objectives
uncut moon
especially on maps where you can get highground
dorado and numbani
76 is really good
sinful heron
But vs dive you can give him range, and even if he doesn't he gives extra healing and he can instagib genji sometimes
uncut moon
tac visor is also good on a decent flank
sinful heron
^
dusk garden
n e e d h e a l i n g
balmy wolf
who was the girl comentator on the stream , SmugNep
dusk garden
H E A L I NG
forest raven
Soe
deft valley
NEED HEALING
dusk garden
N E E D H E A L I N G
sinful heron
Mercy you cannot just RIGHT at Genji's dash range like that
You're just ASKING to die at that point
deft valley
SHADOW BURNED
full lion
need apex camerawork
uncut moon
valiant started out strong but now fusion are doing a good job at holding point b
scarlet spear
he is
deft valley
just first map, fusion got rolled on point 1 defense but are getting pushback
scarlet spear
hotba is playing right now
sinful heron
3:30 just got 1st checkpoint on payload @ numbani
full lion
envy needs to get fined for spamming x
dusk garden
n e e d h e a l i n g
balmy wolf
@forest raven domo domo
final river
one clipped
sinful heron
Dat one clip
deft valley
verbo needs to say ur muted and won't get heals
spring lintel
Sdb playing with the carry mentality
final river
wait a sec is this on old patch
deft valley
yes
spring lintel
Doesn’t play with the team and goes and kills both suppoort
final river
oh i see
scarlet spear
the carpe tbag
slim summit
balmy wolf
Carpe is cray
sinful heron
^
scarlet spear
carpe 2 stronk
sinful heron
WELL I MEAN WE SAY THAT
full lion
soooooooon
slim summit
they're trying so hard to go in with valk
solar wharf
Carpe and sdb just tearing shit up
sinful heron
So far Carpe is winning Carpe vs Soon
dusk garden
damn
balmy wolf
OOOO
slim summit
GG
dusk garden
z9
full lion
SOOOON
scarlet spear
carpe started sluggish then totally popped off as usual
sinful heron
I'm not sure they should have stuck with that comp for that long, maybe switching to McCree from Soldier would have been better
full lion
soon didnt have his morning baguette
solar wharf
Also why is Soon so attractive
scarlet spear
balmy wolf
sinful heron
Also Shadowburn had a fantastic round
full lion
that emote 
sinful heron
Don't ignore that
slender thicket
SDB and Carpe play off each other so well, it's super fun to watch
scarlet spear
yeah sdb and carpe synergy is amazing
full lion
fusion looking liek the best western team
sinful heron
Playing Pharah is a great decision
balmy wolf
DELETED
hidden vault
Easy
dusk garden
GR
hidden vault
Play widow
slim summit
no poko 😦
hidden vault
🙈
balmy wolf
oh sht
sinful heron
LAV finally holding
deft valley
aw
rustic perch
in*
full lion
P K
deft valley
*meme
rustic perch
*star
slender thicket
well, somebody channeled there inner poko there
deft valley
not even full take lol
sinful heron
4 ults vs 4 ults
rustic perch
balmy wolf
ok the caster tho
slender thicket
not sure it's so much a fantastic hold as a really spectacular collapse on philly's part
deft valley
valiant spent 5 ults lol
balmy wolf
KACHOW
sinful heron
Wow they did it
slim summit
what a joke
rustic perch
selfdestruct on boombox 
deft valley
jesus fuck
sinful heron
This extended fight though
rustic perch
final river
watch from heaven mercy
full lion
KARIIIIIIV
sinful heron
Wow
dusk garden
nice
tawny sigil
dayuummm
sinful heron
Cmon Philly they had 0 right to hold that
rustic perch
i'm so glad we don't have to see this anymore in one week
sinful heron
You had all the momentum and you had advantage for like, 3 fights
quasi stump
insanity
solar wharf
That was tense
sinful heron
Wp LAV though
median flume
2 Transcendence in one team fight wtf
uncut moon
did toyota stop sponsoring this now or what
spring lintel
Feeding
sinful heron
I'm lucky if I get 2 Transc in one game
spring lintel
He transed twice in 40 seconds
feral solar
What's the score?
solar wharf
I’m always amazed at how quickly ultra come up in pro games
harsh basin
Valiant 1-0
spring lintel
1-0 for val
dusk garden
how the hell did that ad get past my adblock
feral solar
Thanks
uncut moon
Valiant 1 - 0 (3 - 2 Numbani)
spring lintel
Actually 2-2 on numbani 🤔
rustic perch
it also heavily depends on what team you are playing against, normally i get my ult as zen in like 1 minute if i play vs dva+winston, but if i play vs rein+orisa or something like that it takes much, much longer
uncut moon
^^
spring lintel
Lol i never noticed that
sinful heron
LAV got like 2.X and PHF got like 2.(X-0.4) or something
uncut moon
If you do a hold and prevent the enemy for getting to the place you got the payload too, you are awarded a point, so that it doesn't end in a tie
deft valley
the numbering changed somewhat recently
sinful heron
Jesus I never thought I would use algebra (if that even is algebra) to help explain Overwatch scores
deft valley
it used to be "2-2, X wins"
then they started giving a point for defense to make it clearer
pearl stratus
You get a point for the win and a point for the hold. It's weird, but it cleared it up a lot.
solar wharf
bring back the coin flip
sinful heron
LOL
deft valley
make KOTH best of 7
harsh basin
kek
pearl stratus
Every Anubis is just Dallas vs. Seoul anubis.
harsh basin
the next step is obviously best of 1
uncut moon
Anubis yawn
scarlet spear
best of coinflip, lets go
deft valley
honestly they should just make every payload game a coin flip
pearl stratus
Best of 7, just Team Death Match in the castle.
scarlet spear
widow, HS only
deft valley
Lucio rollout competition
pearl stratus
God that'd be horrible.
full lion
widow hs only is the highest form of overwatch
scarlet spear
symmetra, headshot only
pearl stratus
Tie breaker in Stage 2 is Lucio Ball.
dusk garden
^
harsh basin
the year is 20XX. Games are decided by a literal coin flip
scarlet spear
PvE junkenstein battle, who reaches more points ?
rustic perch
winston headshot only 
dusk garden
uprising is tiebreaker
quasi stump
RIP
full lion
dink
slim summit
when mercy walks in a straight line directly toward widow with no protection
deft valley
playoff tiebreaker is mei snowball
harsh basin
playoff tiebreaker is torbjorn pokemon battles
scarlet spear
grand finals is hunt the yeti
deft valley
did they not expect a widow on anubis or something
dusk garden
nah the easiest is widow on widow
harsh basin
dogfighting with torbjorns
uncut moon
Hunt the yeti PogChamp
spring lintel
Walking in a straight line against widow? What could happen wrong?
slim summit
i hate watching philly lose
sinful heron
That was super impressive from LAV
harsh basin
1v1s, each player on the team controls 1 key on the keyboard
scarlet spear
that mode was so fuckin biased towards the winston it wasnt even funny
SHD tanks could have won that
dusk garden
twitch chat is cancer af right now
deft valley
is it ever not
sinful heron
This is like a slow shove, I've never seen a decent slow shove in OWL before
dusk garden
true
sinful heron
Just slowing coming up main street letting the flankers funnel towards mid
full lion
sOOON
final river
wat
sinful heron
WOW
final river
didn't want to ult? lmao
uncut moon
???????
full lion
boombox pls
deft valley
what the fuck philly
scarlet spear
philly throwing live on stream
uncut moon
Boombox :((((((
spring lintel
Wtf is boombox doing
sinful heron
Motorboat in there, stay classy
harsh basin
First case of matchfixing in OWL? 
dusk garden
no poko no win
uncut moon
free poko
scarlet spear
throwing on purpose to make money off OWL sins
sinful heron
PHF look sad
harsh basin
Philly ibuypower
wooden hull
spring lintel
They keep on losing cause they are not using ults