surefour on the hooker
#esports-discussion
balmy wolf
runic stag
why this meta is bad in one round lol
polar pier
So, uh
balmy wolf
what is going on here
polar pier
Why would you sub out Bischu if we're just gonna get a tank anyway?
wide basin
Did Shaz use Trans?
balmy wolf
Yes
forest wharf
rip
wooden hull
Yes
runic stag
lmao how much more does Agilities need to do
balmy wolf
hard carry lmao
onyx shore
how's the LA derby? good?
onyx shore
flipped!
serene tendon
shaz with the clutch
balmy wolf
THEY FLIPPED IT
wide basin
This is way too tenuous for Gladiators
balmy wolf
SHAZ IS GOD
wide basin
They need something more solid
balmy wolf
hydra has ult
wide basin
LOL
balmy wolf
hydration is on top of the ma
onyx shore
lul
serene tendon
FATE GOOFED
short vault
HE DED
balmy wolf
AHAHAH
wide basin
FATE THREW
balmy wolf
YOU DONE GOOFED
runic stag
if theres anyone from LA how did you decide which team to root for?
onyx shore
NA ULT
serene tendon
na ult hydration
polar pier
C9
fluid aurora
:(
wooden hull
:LAValiant: :LAValiant: :LAValiant: :LAValiant: :LAValiant: :LAValiant:
wide basin
What the FUCK was that
serene tendon
hydration flubbed it 
polar pier
fluid aurora
That ult
pearl cedar
s4 was running for his life
thorn forum
LOL
lethal bluff
@runic stag I like purple better.
forest raven
5v6? We have valk lmao
full lion
HYDRATION
pearl cedar
had s4 lived it mighta been a gr for gladiators
forest wharf
report hydration for throwing
runic stag
thats fair
onyx shore
hydration got dehydrated bcos flying too long
wide basin
Half of Gladiators choked
molten bison
^^
onyx shore
karma reverse sweep
wooden hull
Nice barrage tho
tough holly
sinful fox
85% on grav
runic stag
Surefour with that charge
pearl cedar
wtf grav..
sinful fox
p nutty
runic stag
Asher works alone
balmy wolf
BACK CAAAAAAAAAAAAp
wide basin
Asher is Solid Snake
runic stag
HE'S A LOOSE CANNON
serene tendon
is asher gonna fucking do anything?
slim summit
reverse swept
sinful fox
asher has done nothing for the past 3 maps dude
fluid aurora
Asher hello
balmy wolf
60
sinful fox
hard throwing the whole series for glads
wooden hull
Let's go :LAValiant: :LAValiant:
spring lintel
Late ass grav
balmy wolf
BYE FATE
fluid aurora
Where tf is he
runic stag
Asher doesn't need a new partner dammit, not after the last one
spring lintel
Gets a grav early and doesnt use it to flip the fight
fluid aurora
Ok there
wide basin
Good lord
balmy wolf
RIP
wide basin
Just fucking keep it
molten bison
Daddy Rein beats his children
serene tendon
so asher flanked? and then did nothing?
molten bison
tough holly
fluid aurora
Basically
balmy wolf
asher wtf you doing
sinful fox
dude asher has been really underperforming in this series so far in my opinion
balmy wolf
WHAT
fluid aurora
LOL
balmy wolf
Unkoe is dead
wide basin
Fuck
sinful fox
what a block
buoyant edge
Such an even matchup
wide basin
I can't believe they flipped it after Asher went
sinful fox
trance whole hog and glads has no trance tho
balmy wolf
CYKA BLYAT YOU SON OF A BITCH
polar pier
MY HEART
thorn forum
LOL
forest wharf
triple tanking
polar pier
MY
balmy wolf
YEEEEEEEEEES
serene tendon
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
short vault
o my
pearl cedar
LETS GOO
short vault
god
fluid aurora
OMG
wide basin
YESS!
gaunt acorn
balmy wolf
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
forest wharf
fuck me
thorn forum
OH
serene tendon
this is so fucking hype
short vault
map 5 round 3
molten bison
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
serene tendon
holy shit
short vault
monkaS
wide basin
This fucking MATCH
full lion
LANE ROBERT
pearl cedar
NIGHTMARKET BOIS
full lion
S
onyx shore
everything hangs in the ballot
balmy wolf
I"M GONNA HAVE A HEART ATTACK
lethal bluff
I can't take this anymore omg
fast pulsar
ARE YOU SERIOUS
slim summit
too bad they didn't win round 1
runic stag
THE SCRIPT
pearl cedar
IREMIX ACTUALLY PLAYING HAM
forest wharf
cue final countdown
slim summit
๐
pearl cedar
COULDNT SCRIPT THIS BETTER
short vault
molten bison
I'M LOVING THIS REIN PLAY
hybrid nova
This match. Very interesting.
balmy wolf
IT COMES DOWN TO THE LAST FUCKNG AREA ON THE LAST MAP
molten bison
thorn forum
OH WHAT
balmy wolf
SHIELDS UP
forest raven
I CANT DO IT
limber pine
PLZ LA
forest raven
I CANT
balmy wolf
๐ก
limber pine
I NEED SLEEP
molten skiff
see it go 99 vs 99
molten bison
LILY I BELIEVE IN YOU
vapid herald
This match is insane
molten bison
balmy wolf
Glad is on point
molten bison
IT'S 1:30 HERE MY DUDE
buoyant edge
"Los Angeles switches back to the dive"
Which one again?
fast pulsar
VALIANT OUTDATED : SOON OVERRATED : LONG HAVE WE WAITED : GLADIATORS ACTIVATED :
short vault
DAMNN
thorn forum
^
short vault
NICE
pearl cedar
nasty dive
balmy wolf
shiiiiiiit
wide basin
God
runic stag
holy bloodbath
wide basin
What a slaughter
pearl cedar
they just b-lined for shaz
forest wharf
inb4 point flip 14 times
wide basin
Why hang out back there tho?
sinful fox
what a pick
sullen berry
Reinforce is right
thorn forum
UHOH
onyx shore
LOLKOE
sullen berry
Too many tryhardts
onyx shore
flipped!
buoyant edge
OH
polar pier
MOTHERFUCKER
serene tendon
SHAAAAZ
balmy wolf
AHAHAHAH
short vault
BOOTED
wide basin
LMAO
polar pier
THAT GENJI GOT KICKED IN THE BALLS
hybrid nova
๐
balmy wolf
GET THE FUCKING BOOT
buoyant edge
๐ข
serene tendon
this is most ive ever seena point been flipped
sinful fox
OHH
buoyant edge
WHAT A PICK
onyx shore
UNKOE again]
balmy wolf
OOOOOOOOO
forest wharf
wide basin
DIRECT DELIVERY
thorn forum
OH
full lion
unkoe is real good at dying
polar pier
HYDRATION GETTING GUNNED DOWN
balmy wolf
Shit
visual hound
GLADIATOS PLS
polar pier
OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD OH GOD
balmy wolf
SHIT
polar pier
MOTHER
wide basin
Oh god
polar pier
HYDRATION DOWN
wide basin
Last minute miracle plz
balmy wolf
4-2
onyx shore
UNKOE AGAIN
polar pier
THERE'S THE DRAGONBLADE
balmy wolf
OOOOOOO
balmy wolf
FISTED
forest wharf
holy fuck
buoyant edge
G G
polar pier
MOTHER
visual hound
THAT HOLD HOLY SHIT
slim summit
reverse swept x d
forest wharf
jesus
serene tendon
that was so fucking hype
onyx shore
SWEPT!
balmy wolf
NOOOOOOOOO
polar pier
GG
wide basin
Holy shit
polar pier
NO
short vault
HOLY SHIT
molten skiff
great fucking game
thorn forum
OHH NOOOOOOOOOOOO
short vault
REVERSE
serene karma
So good
slim summit
welp i'm disappointed
short vault
SWWEEEEPEDDDDD
polar pier
AAAAAAAA
full lion
FUCK
final river
crazy match
forest wharf
best game i've watched so far
slim summit
too bad they threw on junkertown
short vault
HAHAHAHAHA
slim summit
or it would never have come to thsi
balmy wolf
THAT MATCH WAS FIRE
fast pulsar
ASHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG
full lion
DANG
pearl cedar
Gladiators choked junkertown =/
polar pier
THAT'S WHAT I WAS LOOKING FOR.
tough holly
wide basin
I've never seen such a good matchup
pearl cedar
damnit
polar pier
WEW
balmy wolf
ALSO FUCK YOU ASHER
thorn forum
SO LONG
balmy wolf
GET PERMABENCHED
polar pier
MVP to Asher.
gaunt acorn
polar pier
For jumping off of Junkertown.
thorn forum
OMG!!!!
sinful fox
fuckin asher dude
thorn forum
great game
sullen berry
I love hydration for pulling a last second doomfist
buoyant edge
CAN I SLEEP NOW?
runic stag
what a match
sullen berry
That could have been an amazing clutch
balmy wolf
Jesus
full lion
soon too good
runic stag
best of the season so far?
wooden hull
Let's gooo
full lion
made up for unkow
polar pier
Taht was epic.
balmy wolf
Best battle
serene karma
Agilities is my hero
balmy wolf
SO many clutch plays
sullen berry
You bet this one had amazing appeal if you're from Cali
molten bison
If the final matches are like that, then I'm gonna die of heart failure
wooden hull
balmy wolf
I hope they are like that
tired anvil
isn't the OWL playing in Southern California anyways.
serene tendon
LA
wooden hull
Thk you trasher
wide basin
@tired anvil Precisely
vapid herald
Couldโve went either way. That was crazy
sullen berry
It's all hosted this season in LA
polar pier
Alright guys it's been fun.
full lion
if only more games were liek this 
balmy wolf
When's the next Battle of Los Angeles
thorn forum
that was pretty nice
polar pier
But this paper is due at 8 so I need to go do that now.
sinful fox
asher really disappointing performance :;/
polar pier
Thanks for the experience and go Valiant.
vapid herald
Have fun with your paper
molten skiff
let's go VALIANT
tardy wedge
oops wrong paste XD
onyx shore
chris fuckit
fast pulsar
๐ซ
balmy wolf
Next battle of LA
wooden hull
Let's gooooo
balmy wolf
March 8th
fast pulsar
I'm depressed
balmy wolf
Note it in your calendars
tardy wedge
๐ก ๐ ๐ก
thorn forum
march 8th la v la agian?
balmy wolf
yep
thorn forum
will it be payback?
molten bison
Looking forward to it bbg
noble jacinth
best OWL match so far
thorn forum
fusion glad was good too
fast pulsar
It's not the best because Glad didn't win
fluid aurora
Wtf was asher doing
fast pulsar
falling off the cliff
slim summit
unkoe was dead that entire match and they still lost
molten bison
They just weren't covering their backline like at all
worn falcon
best OWL match for me was Valiant vs Spitfire
wooden hull
Trasher hahaha
fast pulsar
gladiators were literally throwing
worn falcon
tilt
sullen berry
I had no idea how you play a Shaz in junkertown
thorn forum
LOL
wooden hull
Agilities played so well in this final game
onyx shore
[โ]chubbs40 Dallas Fuel | Philadelphia Fusion [score hidden] 4 minutes ago
Unkoe tried to throw but Soon kept carrying it back
wooden hull
Wth fate
thorn forum
are they speaking english
everytime i hear the booth like that
i can never understand
tired anvil
sort of english, sort of lots of panic.
wooden hull
Agilities is the only canadian
wide basin
Envy? The fuck?
molten bison
Agilities is Canadian?
wide basin
Agilities, Hydration, or Bischu
balmy wolf
rip
wooden hull
Yeah he is
balmy wolf
Unkoe was dead the entire match
still won
go figure
Althrough
The Shaz boot was legendary
wooden hull
Did you watch the world cup?
balmy wolf
gave 'im the boot
wide basin
Night, all!
balmy wolf
WAIT NO ONE CLIPPED SHAZ GIVING AGILITIES THE BOOT
dapper sigil
im happy for valiant winning but thought it wouldnt be that close tbh
spring lintel
Nyxl will clap Seoul.
gaunt acorn
not asher
grizzled mulch
balmy wolf
Congrats for dragons for winning
solar wharf
Where can I watch the Gladiators vs Valiant match aside from Twitch? My computer really does not like the Twitch video player
slow linden
That match was rly good but it felt like some of the valient players got a bit sloppy, maybe cos of the pre season 4-0
They seemed to iron out most of the issues by the third match but unkoe especially seemed off form
And it's difficult to say that VALs play on eichenwald was anything but messy and uncoordinated
dusky topaz
What's everyone's thoughts on profits middle finger?
gaunt acorn
harmless
vast talon
did someone put the middle finger up?
gaunt acorn
when the camera was on him profit put the middle finger up
gaunt acorn
as a joke
scarlet spear
the coach/benched players can see the camera on them where they are and profit flipped them off for fun, didnt know that it was shown on the stage apparently
red anvil
he might get a little fine, just to send a message that's not okay on stage
no one will complain
vagrant jacinth
Hold the phone, I wake up to see dragons won a round against dynasty?
scarlet spear
i felt the same
slow linden
ye that's the biggest upset of the season so far
narrow dew
10 pm cest
stuck meadow
Just found out Shanghai took 1 map agaisnt one of the best teams in OWL
narrow dew
i think
narrow dew
its 11pm cest actually
but it shouldnt be a good game
since its korea vs low tier west team
vast talon
how many hours is that?
narrow dew
8 hours
narrow dew
but its spitfire and u said you like their skins
and you can watch them stomp
so you might like it
vast talon
oh cool thanks
vast talon
is gladiators the purple one
gaunt acorn
yes
balmy wolf
Dragons did pretty good
red anvil
better to watch the vod here https://www.twitch.tv/videos/222124942
narrow dew
u dont wanna miss out on twitch chat
red anvil
better to watch the vod on official sources rather then youtube channels that just try to leech
narrow dew
~2 hours
vast talon
oof
red anvil
2.5h's but you can skip trough a lot
like inbetween desks etc.
so it's more realistically 1.5
red anvil
do it, it's called battle of LA because these are the two teams that represent LA ๐
was such a important match to them both
vast talon
there are two la teams?
red anvil
yep
vast talon
that seems odd
red anvil
apparently they found out that the city had enough audience to have two teams
vast talon
oh
red anvil
well it's working
vast talon
seems kinda cool idk
vast talon
those london skins are really cool
narrow dew
its artificial rivalry
red anvil
Not really artificial
narrow dew
rivalries would've been much better if they let them make themself
red anvil
the owners of huston and dallas have been rivalries since long past
vast talon
nice coincidence because i'm half british lol
narrow dew
and org is from na
red anvil
london skins are quite pretty yeah
vast talon
all the london players are korean?
scarlet spear
yup
red anvil
yeah because they dident manage to find a british/european roster that could compete on the level they wanted
scarlet spear
pretty much reasoning is that c9 owner jack didnt get the players he wanted for his roster, so he got a good roster thats able to compete for the top instead
vast talon
idk how i feel about that
scarlet spear
he did an AMA yesterday, really intersting
they're building an EU contenders team atm afaik
red anvil
they are
scarlet spear
tier 2 scene
red anvil
contenders is like the minor leauge
scarlet spear
basically the smaller OWL league
vast talon
do they take the piss?
red anvil
he probably had his team mate on the backroom throwing banter at him
narrow dew
they said he did it to the audio crew
red anvil
audio crew, where?
vast talon
banter is good
vestal mortar
It was to the people in the dugout
narrow dew
vast talon
might not be british but if the rest are like that kid im all for it
red anvil
audio check does not mean audio team
it means the people to the dug out like tara said
vestal mortar
Flame mentioned a while ago that Outlaws are the only team that tell their players when they're on the face cams.
red anvil
there is a room in the back with the coaches and additional players that can talk to the people on stage between maps
vestal mortar
So profit was probably memeing to his team in the dug out and he didn't know he was on broadcast :P
vestal mortar
Indeed
pearl stratus
I'm still just super happy that Shanghai took a map from Seoul.
Watching them evolve week to week once their coaches got their heads out of their ass is probably my favorite part of OWL now.
tawny sigil
first thing i heard from shanghai was their coach being ask why did they select those players
"these are the best hitscan in china"
Anything else?
"these are the best hitscan in china"
i was like wow... they are gonna lose so fucking bad
and guess what happen
really obvious that their coach is the problem
pearl stratus
Well their coach and not having more than 2 high ranked Chinese players.
But some of them are surprising me.
magic zinc
But where they even the best hitscan in China? There's a bunch of MY players that would probably fight for that title
tawny sigil
yeah but are they chinese?
pearl stratus
The Koreans don't counter towards china though ๐
magic zinc
Although the 2 he means were probably the best
tawny sigil
i mean if all you got to say about your team is they are the best hitscan
deft valley
that would work better if you knew what youโre on about
tawny sigil
you clearly dont know how to pick players
deft valley
heโs talking about MY, a team in china that later disbanded
because they didnโt get picked for OWL
pearl stratus
Oh, he edited it after ๐ We were all responding to the typo.
Since it was NY at first.
And there's an NY team.
deft valley
yeah thereโs this thing called context
pearl stratus
They'll most likely pick up most of the MY players in February.
tawny sigil
what week does stage 1 end?
pearl stratus
If they can replace supports and get a solid genji/projectile they'll be in a much better spot.
Last match of Stage 1 is Feb 10th.
So hopefully there's a recruiting period between then and Stage 2.
magic zinc
There's a signing period after Stage 1 ends and before Stage 3 starts iirc
So inbetween then you can recruit anyone
So yes thats during Stage 2
pearl stratus
Yeah they're kind of shaky on precise details.
I did enjoy watching the reddit kid drop $90 on Shanghai skins because of a lost bet.
magic zinc
That was pretty great tbh
How about the guy with the tattoo?
We haven't seen the result yet afaik
pearl stratus
I mean I get that Fleta didn't play.
But Shanghai actually just kind of played well.
Dallas should sign Yushu so they can get a good D'va and Winston.
tawny sigil
i cant imagine seeing the defeat screen as much as they did in my solo queue, must feel terrible
pearl stratus
It's a weird spot right now, because Shanghai has a huge amount of crowd support.
They're like the leagues Rudy.
tawny sigil
what is it at now, 16 maps?
pearl stratus
20/4?
2 wins 18 losses.
They didn't lose all their maps
They took a map from Seoul and a map from... Houston?
tawny sigil
yeah
pearl stratus
They have the same amount of map wins as Dallas.
deft valley
MY players have left overwatch tho
tawny sigil
whats MY anyway
deft valley
i doubt theyโll either get invited or accept it either way
pearl stratus
Miraculous Youth iirc.
tawny sigil
man last league had weird ass names
pearl stratus
Eh I could see a few accepting it just for the salary if nothing else.
deft valley
โmiraculous youngsterโ
tawny sigil
so the price goes to the coach right?, the player are just people working for the coach right?
magic zinc
Did they all retire? Liquipedia still has most of them as free agents
deft valley
went to pubg
tawny sigil
is there even a competitive scene for that game?
pearl stratus
MW disbanded as an OW team, most are still free agents for OW because they still play but not pro.
More streaming than competition.
PubG is probably the highest grossing streams atm.
tawny sigil
i cant see a competitive scene working too well for that game
also probably gonna be 100% dead before too long
pearl stratus
Nah PubG will last for a little bit.
deft valley
as a game and streaming yes
pearl stratus
From a viewer perspective its an entertaining game for streaming.
deft valley
not a โrealโ esport tho
pearl stratus
But as an e-sport its boring af.
magic zinc
I think there will be better alternatives later down the line for PubG
pearl stratus
But I mean I could see some MW players coming back for OWL just for a consistent paycheck playing games.
50k/yr minimum salary is hard to overlook at for kids 18-24 years old.
magic zinc
Hmmm if they're not actively scrimming anymore
Might be a risk to pick them up to begin with as mid-season signings are always tricky in terms of chemistry
deft valley
i dunno if theyโll get invited though
considering that 1, the current roster is mostly made up of the coaches older team
tawny sigil
problem is when you get back to the real world, thats not gonna look too good on your resume
deft valley
and 2, they havenโt been playing ow for a while
pearl stratus
The owner already said that no matter what the coach says they're bringing in new players.
Because the owner feels embarassed.
deft valley
@tawny sigil and streaming will? cause thatโs what theyโre doing now
pearl stratus
Honestly if I was going to hire people and someone had a pro e-sports league like OW on their resume?
I'd consider them.
Because you know if nothing else they have the capability for teamwork and communication.
tawny sigil
yeah but its just the image
pearl stratus
Well a lot of them do school stuff too.
tawny sigil
you either ahve nothing on your resume and you're 30
or all you have is pro gamer or streamer
i wouldnt hire someone like that
pearl stratus
I know one of the NYXL players was like "If this fails thats fine. I'm a registered nurse and put a pause on medical school, I'll just work as a nurse here in the US."
tawny sigil
that's being prepared
pearl stratus
I dunno, I'm a weird boss. There's things I value more than other things.
Like someone working commissioned retail is something I like, because they have to be self motivated and if I have to make them deal with people I know they can fake being nice lol
tawny sigil
well if you have a company that has nothign to do with streaming or pro gaming. and someone comes to you. their resume is empty for the last 10 years other then stream/pro gaming.
2 option can happen
either they went back to school and just came out of school
or they did their school training before their gaming period and they dont remember shit
one is ok, one is not
pearl stratus
I mean its all region based.
With few exceptions a huge chunk of education is just done to be said to be done, standardized testing makes it regurgitated not understood knowledge. But I do see your point.
tawny sigil
well its also 10 years that they have not been keeping up with that market
but yeah thats also a thing, ive seen a few people coming out of programming school and still dont know how to write any program
then people are like "omg university is so impressive" no its not... some people come out of there and they have no idea what their job is about still.
hockey player have university diploma FFS
any thats way off topic at this point
tawny sigil
gotta love these videos "OWL funny moments" its just random ass good play
need to relearn your definition of funny son
watched 95%+ of the matches so far and all i can instantly recall to be funny is
"gotta catch them all pokoman"
Widow backing off into the cliff on junker town which happened twice for some reason
Mercy getting hit by a car on oasis.
what else
wide basin
Jake getting hit by a car too
tawny sigil
lots of people dying to stuff ive never died to
pearl stratus
Taimou trying to hook someone into cars.
Missing his hook.
And getting hit by a car.
deft valley
how do stage title matches work? is it top 2 in each division or what
deft valley
atl1 vs pac1 and then two best straight up?
narrow dew
nvm
it's rank 1 in finals
and rank 2 and 3 in semis
and winner of #2 and #3 plays #1
deft valley
overall rank?
narrow dew
yeah
deft valley
aight makes sense
narrow dew
after week 5
shell locust
Why isn't King's Row played in OWL? It was played at the world cup last year.
grizzled mulch
stage 1 map pool doesn't include King's Row
deft valley
the map pools rotate every stage
two maps per game type, plus one KotH selected as tiebreaker
King's Row will be in stage 2
shell locust
Ah, I thought some maps simply weren't gonna be played in the OWL because they weren't that "competitive".
toxic pasture
Huh
balmy wolf
Who do you guys think will win the league?
toxic pasture
Seoul obviously
limber pine
balmy wolf
Has won a game yet?
toxic pasture
Same with Dallas ;-;
pearl stratus
The biggest difference between Shanghai and Dallas
Is that Shanghai is playing better.
While Dallas is self destructing even worse.
spring lintel
Canโt wait for nyxl to clap seoul tmw
jagged crater
the first korean vs korean team gonna be lit
jagged crater
we had some good mid tier matches
but not good top tier matches
glads vs fusion & glads vs valiant
you think seoul was being generous when shanghai got map 4?
velvet scarab
I'm calling it
jagged crater
mind game thing?
velvet scarab
shd gonna win it all
jagged crater
koreans and their mind games
make them appear weaker to throw teams off guard on games where it matters most
pearl stratus
Nah I think Shanghai was actually just playing really well.
And Seoul was playing with some bench dps
To give them match time
Bunny and Wakeen aren't regulars.
scarlet spear
wekeed played quite a bit, altho fleta and munchkin would be the t1 lineup for their dps definitely
pearl stratus
We also saw things out of Shanghai that we've literally never seen before.
Diya played Genji for a bit.
Etc.
scarlet spear
SHD was a pleasant surprise to watch
pearl stratus
And not even a horrible Genji.
scarlet spear
compared to before
pearl stratus
It wasn't world class.
But it wasn't horrible.
Undead on Pharah for a bit.
Also Undead popped off on Widow for a while.
jagged crater
weekeed had some nut pharah play tho
pearl stratus
Yeah but like Pfre said.
This was a Shanghai that was good to watch.
It wasn't a cringeworthy defeat.
pearl stratus
he didn't play at all.
jagged crater
hmm interesting
pearl stratus
It was like Seoul vs. Florida.
jagged crater
seoul clearly holding something back vs shanghai, more bench play vs a lesser team
pearl stratus
They play their bench when they think they can.
scarlet spear
well giving wekeed/bunny some time is definitely good for the whole team
jagged crater
yea it is
pearl stratus
Shanghai actually got close to taking Map 1 too.
jagged crater
smart but still holding back from using 100%
pearl stratus
Also most people forget
That like in Pre-season Shanghai did some work on Seoul.
There was one preseason match for Shanghai Seoul where iirc Diya CRUSHED Fleta on Widow.
scarlet spear
shanghai def looked better preseason than the season start
pearl stratus
Like Fleta swapped to Genji crushed.
jagged crater
i didnt forget but preseason results for the most part were experimental
pearl stratus
If SHD, during Stage 2, pick up a better projectile DPS and some more competent Support they're going to be crazy fun to watch.
scarlet spear
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vestal mortar
scarlet spear
vestal mortar
ty Sprite
limber pine
o7
jagged crater
gosh that guy is rude
pearl stratus
Also someone made a really good point that them winning Map 4 is actually psychologically a really good sign.
Because its easy to give up on a map where you already know the outcome of the series.
Seoul had already won the round, they didn't have to try as hard as they did in Map 4
And to win it? Even better sign mentally.
jagged crater
could work the other way aroudn too
the losing team just gives up map 4 because they lost morale
pearl stratus
That's what I mean.
Shanghai won map 4
They didn't get discouraged. Compared to how they looked two weeks ago?
jagged crater
was it a case of seoul trying not as hard
pearl stratus
I wouldn't say so.
I'd watch Dorado if you haven't.
It's just a REALLY good game.
vestal mortar
The league is a marathon, it is a good sign to keep up your spirits and pull through a tough series to win the final map!
jagged crater
did fuel win map 4 vs spitfire?
actually they won oasis so it wasnt a case of map 4itis
ut vs houston fuel looked so dead
pearl stratus
Dallas is just crumbling. They can't really play the meta effectively.
jagged crater
it would look really bad if shanghai manages to get a win before dallas
The most popular team in OWL last place
can you imagine
pearl stratus
Honestly at this rate I flat out think Shanghai will.
jagged crater
Fuel has relatively easy opponents this week so we'll see
jagged crater
gonna be full meme status
pearl stratus
They're not that easy honestly.
Shock has been playing really well lately.
So has Boston.
jagged crater
relatively easy compared to opponents that fuel had before
pearl stratus
It just doesn't look like it since they've been up against NYXL/Seoul in the last week.
I mean Shock is always one thing.
Can you shut down Babybay.
They play a five man pocket on Baby.
If you shut him down, you win.
I feel dumb because I didn't watch last night because I didn't think any of the matches would be -that- exciting
And it turns out I missed two insane matches.
limber pine
yeah the crowd noise adds so much more to the match
pearl stratus
I watched Shanghai vs. Seoul at work today.
It was pretty insane/exciting.
Numbani and Dorado were both fun.
vestal mortar
It makes me want to be in the crowd :C
jagged crater
i was messing around in OW while watching OWL on the side
didnt pay 100% attention to it
pearl stratus
Next week is going to be the Seoul make or break.
Since I think NYXL has a really strong chance to beat them.
Er not next week.
Friday
Literally tomorrow. God I'm dumb.
vestal mortar
heh
rare tangle
hope dallas fuel does better this week
magic zinc
I like that the map order change, hope it all works out
woeful wolf
vestal mortar
That would be so long every day, there are already so many matches to watch.
Maybe for finals or something but not every day
shell locust
They are really limiting their live audiences with this scheduling
I have to destroy my sleeping schedule to see a single match live.
vestal mortar
They are scheduled so that they are at a good time for the real live audiences, people actually attending in person. ๐
magic zinc
I wish they moved the Thursday matches to Sunday
vestal mortar
I actually really like that there's no matches on Sunday
magic zinc
How so?
pearl stratus
Wednesday to Saturday is a slightly weird schedule.
And the start times super confuse me sometimes.
But I think they're prepping us for global time zones.
shell locust
Well, then matches could be played at an earlier time in the day so at least some of them would air at acceptable times for people not living in the Americas
solid spear
I mean ideally the timezones become more friendly to people who arent US West coast in the future
so hopefully youd see a bigger variance in start times
magic zinc
That doesn't work during the week tbh, nobody would be able to attend a match at 11AM local time on a weekday
solid spear
I mean thats why its all centered around west coast
vestal mortar
I get to catch up on games I missed Saturday night without feeling oversaturated. I get more excited for the next week of matches without burn out.
Everything Oreo said ๐
shell locust
It would probably be the smarter decision if they wanted to maximize the number viewers in the live audience though.
vestal mortar
Define "live" audience. You mean viewers online, Blizz sees it as people attending their arena.
shell locust
Viewers online, of course. "Live" as in not counting people who watches the VODs.
pearl stratus
I mean thats the thing for web content though.
Unique VOD viewers still count though.
vestal mortar
People attending irl events and viewings is an intergral part of what the Overwatch League wants to do
pearl stratus
Especially when you factor in the timing of the matches on a global scale.
magic zinc
There's always 1 region thats gotta suffer tbh
You cant schedule for Europe, Asia and America
vestal mortar
I like what they did for the world cup last year with the different global stages, I see that is in line with what Blizz want for OWL in the future.
magic zinc
Yeah that was really nice! I hope that's the goal, with a team hosting 3 or so other teams and them squaring off over the week
solid spear
yeah I mean even if you forget the audience
youre not trying to make your players play at 4am
pearl stratus
Yeah they're working on that right now.
Like the first match for today starts in 21 minutes.
narrow dew
they can start at 9 am
vestal mortar
It's an impossible balance
solid spear
someone gets fucked on some day its literally impossible
vestal mortar
Players don't wake up until 10am every day for practice ๐
magic zinc
They can't start that early during a weekday, the arena would genuinly be empty
pearl stratus
And we watch the vods ๐
solid spear
good times for EU probably means bad times for AUS and at least 1 NA coast
pearl stratus
I mean they're broken down map by map.
Which is how I got away with watching today at work.
solid spear
theres not much you can do when we stretch damn near a full day apart in timezones
pearl stratus
Schedule -> Match Details -> Click on the Map name on top.
Just that match.
So catching up isn' thard.
Even if I just watch one map here or there.
vestal mortar
I really don't mind watching VODs either, I watch them at work too! ๐
Well mostly listen
pearl stratus
I mean yeah, sometimes the score gets ruined.
But eh.
I know most of who's going to win going into the week anyway lol
Haven't been wrong yet!
magic zinc
Tbh some channels upload highlight videos which are pretty nice
Idk if its Blizzard intention for us to watch every match
pearl stratus
I'm too picky on that.
I think they kind of want it to be like any sport.
You primarily focus on watching the team you like.
And others just because you like watching the sport.
vestal mortar
pearl stratus
It's why the NFL doesn't have issues having a few games going on at the first time.
vestal mortar
Heheheeeee
pearl stratus
Yeah I saw that and laughed.
magic zinc
Oh noooo Profit
pearl stratus
Apparently only Houston tells their team when they're on camera.
magic zinc
Any words on a fine/punishment?
magic zinc
Yeah most likely, its just standard conduct tbh
shell locust
I definitely think matches should be held on Sundays. They could be played at hours similar to Saturdays, which is acceptable scheduling for most regions.
pearl stratus
I mean "standard conduct" kind of.
It's non-malicious conduct.
Which I think is more important.
vestal mortar
Players usually have Sunday as a day off
shell locust
At least for a few of the matches.
pearl stratus
He was joking around with his team.
It just happened that he was on face cam.
So give him his $500 fine.
Call it a day
azure harbor
thanks god Blizzard has a little bit sanity and we don't have that shit storm as dota2 right now lol
pearl stratus
I personally thought the Profit thing was funny as hell.
Right now my biggest complaint about OWL
Is the announcer/analysts.
Because they're still really pretty bad about being bipartisan and not annoying.
narrow dew
what
magic zinc
I think they're pretty good tbh, improving real fast as fell
pearl stratus
Most of them are relevant.
They're just not great at being casters for OW.
Some of them came from LoL, no?
pearl stratus
Yeah, two VERY different games to try and commentary for.
vestal mortar
I feel like they've been improving every week. Especially the analysis has been getting so much more in depth and they're starting to make real use of the tools like overhead map and stuff!
pearl stratus
Also I think its easier to call something like LoL.
azure harbor
It's hard to be good OWL caster if we really didn't have games lol
scarlet spear
theres been overwatch before OWL
pearl stratus
OW has much more micro level thought going onto each player, that its mostly just guess work.
pearl stratus
I don't doubt they'll get better.