@pearl stratus agreed
#esports-discussion
onyx shore
pearl stratus
And response never gets treated as harshly as the attack
Post game Muma was a dig, but it was a really harmless dig.
civic marsh
he seemed like a meme pickup, for his following, dallas probably regrets it now
onyx shore
is he that good though?
pearl stratus
xQc can't handle that he's on a badly playing team, and that he contributes to it a lot
onyx shore
i mean in stream
onyx shore
he played at WC right?
civic marsh
yeah
onyx shore
cmiiw,his winston play at WC was better than cocco (compared to cocco's yesterday winston play)
onyx shore
this is just armchair analysis,but imo DF's roster is kinda unbalanced and kinda weird
if they want to play seagull,then they subbed out mickie
so now they got no d.va
cocco can't play winston
xqc can't play.
civic marsh
and if they decide to sub out taimou then they have no one calling anything
onyx shore
seagull himself is projectile dps
yeah
if you sub out taimou,no one shotcall
and there's no reason to sub out effect
can harry play mercy ?
civic marsh
not as good as chips i don't think
onyx shore
if harry can play mercy at least as good as chips,chips can play zenyatta/ana
civic marsh
lol isn't chipsa a doomfist 1 trick
onyx shore
the problem is when chips stuck playing zenyatta,harry hook is stuck on 2nd support,and he's best at lucio
not mercy
man,at this time i really miss internethulk
forest raven
Not being able to put Chips on Zen hurts Dallas so much
civic marsh
how much better is chips than custa
onyx shore
harryhook is actually better at soldier than taimou
tacit agate
taimou is widow right?
onyx shore
somebody really need to shotcall
tacit agate
i only really know LA gladiators and seoul dynasty
onyx shore
taimou so far play widow,hog,soldier,mc cree
forest raven
Taimou can play McCree/Hog/Widow and a semi-serviceable soldier
Though Effect is the one playing Widow atm
onyx shore
harryhook is a better soldier
civic marsh
has he played any rat so far or is that reserved for seagull
cos taimou rat isn't that bad
pearl stratus
Not that I've seen.
The biggest spot in their lineup is Mickie.
D'va is so important right now
And he's just not that good at her.
onyx shore
seagull is projectile dps
pearl stratus
But no one else is any better.
So he gets a lot of game time and it locks their line up hard
onyx shore
mickie can only play orisa and zarya,right?
hidden vault
If mickie can only play tanks then why is he a flex?
xQc is a better Orisa
Effect is a better Zarya
Mickie's play style of Dva was never to be offensive to begin with
forest raven
Which is why he's struggling after the DM changes
hidden vault
He really took a hit with the new Dva play style
Yeahhh
So why pick up Mickie for Dallas?
forest raven
Because he was with EnVy for around a year when EnVy became Dallas?
forest raven
No he was picked up before the signing window ended, after the EnVy squad became Fuel
xQc and Custa were picked up after they became Fuel
Seagull was picked up shortly before Contenders season 1 playoffs and participated in them
hidden vault
However, Dallas is probably the only team that can play Quadruple Tank well
Mickie needs to change and improve his Dva play style
And they need someone other then chips to play Mercy well
And xQc needs to reflect on himself
onyx shore
main problem is their tanks
secondary problem is the one who can play mercy and zenyatta is only chips
wooden hull
Custa can play them too, but he's pretty trash actually
night notch
anybody watching the OWL who still somehow doesnt think mercy needs to be nerfed into the dirt is a bug dumb dummy
or big
either one
wooden hull
Corea need to be nerf
hidden vault
I wonder why some team comps there aren't any Mercy line ups
balmy wolf
I'm pretty sure dallas is doing that bad because of the loss of Hulk as their coach
If he was around they'd be working much stronger
Stupid fucking tonsilitis
grizzled mulch
eh idk about that
balmy wolf
He was a good coach
grizzled mulch
and he wasn't their coach............................................................................
balmy wolf
Current coaches on Dallas are trashbags
He was for Team EnvyUS
PRetty sure he was going to be
grizzled mulch
Hulk coached Team Liquid....................
and he was a player for EnvyUs before they kicked him.
balmy wolf
o
grizzled mulch
and kind of early to call Kyky garbage only 2 weeks into a season
molten skiff
I was pretty bummed when i realized we get the same map pool for the entire stage
But then i realized i really dont like any maps in this game lol
noble jacinth
right?! I dont like HLC and Numbani
vestal mortar
Yeah this tank issue is probably why they really wanted to pick up Coolmatt and Muma
vague urchin
Is there a League match today?
vestal mortar
Nope
outer rune
Whats the prize pool of OWL by the way?
young sonnet
Like 3.5 mil or something i believe
Theres bonuses as well but i can't remember how it works
young sonnet
20 mil for a team slot
twitch paid 90 mil for 2 years of broadcast exclusivity
This link explains how the money works i believe http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2017-07-27-overwatch-league-players-to-receive-minimum-USD50k-annual-salary
vestal mortar
He is truely an inspiration to us all
outer rune
Blizzard got super greedy with OWL jeesus
20 mil for entry and none of it goes to the price pool
vestal mortar
outer rune
How many teams are there?
vestal mortar
12
scarlet spear
you know its not 20 million for one season? and theres more investment than the prize pool ?
all players earn at least 50k+ get health insurance, etc
outer rune
They could have easily had a bigger prize pool
vestal mortar
Why does the prize pool matter so much to you?
outer rune
Its just about the only interesting thing so far
The matches Ive seen have always been either 2CP or junkertown
vestal mortar
You have clearly not been paying much attention then 😛
outer rune
Ive not been able to catch that many matches
I still think 2CP is the worst esports map type
Even junkertown is more interesting than watching pro teams taking turns wiping on temple of anubis
Ive heard people say 2CP is exciting to watch in esports
and I find it confusing lol
slim summit
2cp casting
"ohp, there's a pick, now the attacking team gotta wait" x 30
"oh man they're all on point will it be enough defense is stalling!" x 10
match over
slim summit
Gonna be lots of 4-0s next week
flint pasture
^
slim summit
top teams racking up many many map points
Shock vs Spitfire: 0 - 4
Dragons vs Dynasty: 0 - 4
Gladiators vs Valiant: Tossup
Uprising vs Spitfire: 0 - 4
Fusion vs Excelsior: 0 - 4
Outlaws vs Mayhem: 4 - 0
Dynasty vs Excelsior: Tossup
Dragons vs Fusion: 0 - 4
Fuel vs Shock: Tossup
Fuel vs Uprising: Tossup
Valiant vs Mayhem: 4 - 0
Gladiators vs Outlaws: Tossup
grizzled mulch
@outer rune 3.5 mils prize pool is quite generous considering the immense benefits these players already had in their contracts
slim summit
^
I don't remember the exact specifics, but players have to get ~50% of prize pool winnings
might be 40, might be 60
tight vault
dallas fuel is worse than 
?
slim summit
the skill gap between fuel and dragons is approximately the same as the skill gap between uprising and spitfire
using elo with a K value of 25
in fact, just for grins, here's how every team ranks in elo: https://i.imgur.com/lvH5qZv.png
tight vault
not really shocked seoul is the highest
slim summit
it's not going to be especially accurate with only ~16 matches played by each team
slim summit
well, yeah, i wouldn't expect shanghai to climb or seoul to fall 😛
tight vault
shanghei is gonna win it out of nowhere
grizzled mulch
Not quite sure why Houston over LAV there
slim summit
houston has lost against teams with higher elo and win against teams with lower elo, just by chance
that's one such inaccuracy that will go away with more matches
it's just about who they've been matched up against so far
grizzled mulch
Houston schedule was a joke tbph
tight vault
doens't florida have more wins than dallas
tight vault
who did they win against
slim summit
4-0'd shanghai
tight vault
i have a feeling it was against shanghei
tight vault
what if shanghei 4-0 dallas
hidden vault
where was the part where Diya cried lmao
I can't find it
@tight vault either way both teams are a joke
tight vault
remember when people thought dallas would do good
slim summit
lol
tight vault
no one ever did
: the best western team in OWL
tight vault
= best team in OWL
jovial jewel
dallas about to go 0-6 next week bet
tight vault
boston
jovial jewel
🤔
tight vault
there gonna go 0-7 magically
jovial jewel
i dunno, looking at elo dallas is 3rd lowest
grizzled mulch
depends on which version of Boston and SF show up
jovial jewel
and tbh i don't have faith in dallas' tanks
and they're practically running a one dps show
with effect
tight vault
xQc fanboys
jovial jewel
cuz taimou usually gets shut down and seagull barely plays
well he barely played in the last few matches
if their communication and teamwork wasn't so ass, i'd say they'd be atleast in the top 5
tight vault
i prefer pelican 
jovial jewel
i prefer falcon 
tight vault
i prefer birds
scarlet spear
harbleu POGGERS
vestal mortar
scarlet spear
its not open division is it? didnt mykl own the contenders spot?
or was that only for last season, dont know
velvet scarab
no he isn't memeing he owns kungarna
scarlet spear
i meant more like shouldnt kungarna be in conders anyways since mykl owned a spot or do they still have to go through open division? cant remember how it works
velvet scarab
Yeah I don't think he has to go through open division
rare tangle
well i guess i can say now
the shanghai dragons are basically the team i am like deep down inside
magic zinc
Welp as the classic saying goes
"Where Harb goes, my heart follows"
Gotta be honest I don't know the other people
velvet scarab
i only know jer other than harbleu
grizzled mulch
Hakumei used to play for the new Toronto eSports
Ezire/Josiah are long time T3 DPS
balmy wolf
dallas and shanghai are really good
slim summit
I can't imagine Dallas losing to Boston
We'll see
The lowest ranked team Dallas has played so far is Houston
Houston did lose to philly
Idk, those will probably be the best matches next week
balmy wolf
das how we do in pheely
zealous girder
does anyone have an invite to the overwatch league discord?
rare tangle
no
restive spear
They only let masters and above in there I heard
zealous girder
I'm 4.5k for the past 4 seasons so that wont be a problem
but why even have a rank restriction for a owl discord?
thats so stupid
rare tangle
not sure why only the very best should talk about the owl
scarlet spear
i think you guys are talking about "the OW" discord, thats not really an OWL discord
rare tangle
its bad enough i gotta give the dallas fuel my phone number to use their discord channel
scarlet spear
never heard about an OWL only discord
zealous girder
yeah I'm already in the OW i was told there was an owl discord
scarlet spear
no clue about that then ¯_(ツ)_/¯
zealous girder
alright thanks anyway ^^
rare tangle
i hate being a console silver player
its like my opinions on the OWL don't matter to those people
zealous girder
why? do they ask for your rank when you say something ?
rare tangle
sometimes online knowing my rank they'll oh why is a silver player complaining about a pro player who makes more money than he could hope to obtain in his existence? perhaps jealous
young sonnet
Quick question for anyone who knows, When do the maps change around? Getting a bit tired of seeing junkertown and horizon. Is it every stage or season?
velvet scarab
think it's every stage
molten skiff
every stage
young sonnet
Cool thanks!
balmy wolf
That's not fun 
scarlet spear
next stage will be different then
makes it easier for teams to focus on certain maps
bit meh to watch, but its definitely better for the teams
balmy wolf
Oh I agree, but junkertown and horizon are pretty meh maps
And ilios is poor map design
young sonnet
I kinda like ilios tbh. I find it fun to watch widow or mcree go at eachother. But you could say that on any map i suppose.
I wonder if they'd ever consider map bans or hero bans. Kinda how they do it in mobas
sleek lagoon
Ilios is my favorite koth map because it's got lots of sneaky teleport spots for Reaper and I love Reaper
shell saffron
even the chefs are korean
kindred forum
Did anyone see a black bird..? Oh i said the color black to some people just saying the color is racist oh shit Blizzard is gonna ban me
torpid charm
I'm black and named after a bird that is also black
dusk garden
The next 3 days will be the most depressing 3 days of my life because no OWL
viral bronze
seoul is going to destroy
wide portal
eradication complete
balmy wolf
👏
outer epoch
🙏
hidden vault
Did shanghai score any points?
hidden vault
They didn't verse mayhem
balmy wolf
They won one map against shock
hidden vault
Did they win any map points against Seoul?
grizzled mulch
orchid herald
Shanghai vs Seoul is gonna go 5 to -1
For seoul
it’s so sad
The best team vs the most overworked yet worst team
slim summit
shanghai can't compete with any team
i have no idea what should be done
imo it's unsportsmanlike to compete against them
even the worst teams compete at the olympics but that isn't ~4 hours a week of brutal punishment for 6+ months
what's blizzard supposed to do? institute some kind of test? turn down paying corporations from having teams? assign players via drafts or some contests or something so it's out of the league's hands?
.s/league's/team's
orchid herald
I mean there’s a lot of corruption going on with the team
Like players from MY were promised spots on the team
And then didn’t get them
And a mediocre team got the spots
The only good players there are undead and diya the rest are trash tbh
And on top of that
They’re forced to train 15 hours a day with bad management
And housing
And pay
It’s a terrible situation
grizzled mulch
a lot of those things are misinfo tho
because reddit overreacted
if anything U4 probably should get laid off because he is the one who started all of this
forest raven
Overwatch League Season 1
FAQ
Q: Why are all four maps played if one team is already 3-0?
A: All four maps are played due to map score being an integral part of determining team standings for stage and season playoff spots. In the event where two or more teams have the same set record at the end of the season, map record will be taken into account for determining which team continues on to the playoffs. By playing all four maps regardless of scoreline in any given set, every team plays the same amount of maps, outside of draw and tiebreaker situations.
Q: What happens in the event of a map and set draw?
A: In the event of a map draw, neither team is awarded a map win and the game moves on to the next map. In the event of a set draw, a tiebreaker map is played; for stage 1, it is a best of 3 on Lijiang Tower.
Q: What are the rules for subbing players in and out during a set?
A: Teams must make their subs before the first round of the current map is finished. For example, a team must decide on who to sub in/out before either team has a point during control.
red anvil
the map rule is annoying because of a 2cp map round can end first round within 2 minutes.
tawny sigil
control point are the only map that can't draw
forest raven
In practice payload may as well be counted as not being able to draw because the circumstances are so rare
scarlet spear
can you actually draw it? as in both teams wipe each other out at the exact same amount of distance moved at overtime?
forest raven
I think the only way to draw payload is if neither team moves the payload at all
scarlet spear
well, thats pretty much a nope then
forest raven
Yeah exactly
scarlet spear
control is still the most fun to watch in pro games tho imo
scarlet spear
cant wait for kings row to get into the map pool tho, thats one of the maps i really enjoy watching aside from control
scarlet spear
finally some reinhardt FeelsGoodMan
gaunt acorn
when is the earliest date they can sign kaiser
they better sign him before kings row is in the map pool
scarlet spear
kaiser on kings row in OWL, a man can only get so hard
wasnt mid season signins somewhere in february?
outer rune
Whats exciting about king's row in OWL?
forest raven
Signing window begins 10th February
Widely regarded as the best map in the game @rich muralury of Ruin#6087
outer rune
Really? I wouldnt think of kings row as that, but sure
fresh arrow
the wide variety of corridors and flanking paths make it good
also how most heroes are viable too
hidden vault
So it's the most balanced map?
fresh arrow
the general consensus is yes
onyx shore
in king's row the difficulty grow upward at steady pace
red anvil
Mayham Kaiser 👀
And last time i talked to him he had some stuffs to sort out so i hope he comes back to the OW scene eventully 👏
gaunt acorn
if seoul picked him up they'd be even more stacked
red anvil
Seoul only got one spot, and 3 main tanks is a tad bit too much for a 12 man roster
they are better to pick up a support
Preferable someone who can lucio and flex support.
deft valley
isn't Tobi a lucio
red anvil
Yes, but you always need subs so you dont get too badly punished if there is someone that is sick
red anvil
Dynasty is very good on this
two tanks, two off tanks, two hitscan players, two flex players, two flex supports, one main support
carmine pumice
Wait no... If both teams are in OT and get all three points... They get a minute right?
fervent nacelle
hello
carmine pumice
If they do that again do they still get a minute for the 6-6 score push?
scarlet spear
in payload? yes
hidden vault
then what about assault maps? if both teams get 6-6 it's a draw?
scarlet spear
if you finish the map you get an additional 30 secs if it was overtime
if both teams finish without a point or with only 1 point its a draw afaik
scarlet spear
it just adds 30 secs afaik
i remember seeing some 8-7 shenanigans on streams before in comp
dont think thats changed for OWL
scarlet spear
well as said, payload is pretty much impossible to draw
but yeah
thats why
tiebreaker is always control
hidden vault
not if the team push it through both times
but there isn't a case whereby both teams pushed to the same spot
scarlet spear
If both teams have no time left by the end of the fourth round, the game ends in a draw. In these rounds, the attacking team does not gain any time for reaching a checkpoint. if i'm not wrong there or the info from the overwatch wiki is wrong, the score would have to be 12/12 to get a draw... don't think we'lll ever witness that
night thunder
This weeks OWL matches are going to be 🔥
hidden vault
I bet blizzard would have recorded it
night thunder
Dynasty vs NYXL
night thunder
also LA vs LA
north tendon
I thought he cant play for the rest of stage 1
night thunder
It said suspended for 4 matches
scarlet spear
nope
north tendon
yeah lol
night thunder
Gives him loads of practice time I guess
scarlet spear
hes not allowed to scrim either
but i guess thats just the 4 games
from blizzard
scarlet spear
obviously
north tendon
I think their weak point was team cohesion though
night thunder
not like practice matters when NYXL and Dynasty will win
north tendon
that too
north tendon
and Pine poops jehong's head off
scarlet spear
free control map win
north tendon
you know you are too good when you get 2 owl teams using their mercy to finish you off and tbag for tilt
night thunder
I think fuel has some problems but mayhem also has some issues
with no subs mayhem is in for the long run
north tendon
I loved pine on dorado though
they were so invested in him
couldnt do anything
surefour got rekt
night thunder
The best thing about pine is even if hes not playing well the enemy invests a lot to kill him
letting the others shine even more
north tendon
yea, letting sbb free like that is gg
night thunder
yea
the entire NYXL squad is really good
I want to see dynasty vs nyxl though, two best teams head to head
night thunder
this is a good week for owl
north tendon
I hope so, I wasnt as interested last week
I havent been watching mayhem
did iddqd even play regularly?
oh my bad hes from shock
but yea same question
magic zinc
He hasnt played at all yet has he?
He was ill at the start of OWL so he wasn't scrimming with the team
Probably sent him way behind in the pecking order
quasi python
and what about sinatraa?
limber pine
rain tendon
anyone knows where we can see the hero pick rate for OWL?
scarlet spear
you can check that on winstonslab afaik
uncut moon
compact lily
Dragons take it to a game 5 kappa
marsh trench
Dragons become demigods and beat Dynasty 4-0 Kappa
scarlet spear
im really looking forward to contendies teams aswell, all those academy teams are going to be interesting
fiery swallow
deft valley
The fuck, is this pasta?
steady finch
lets go Outlaws
pearl stratus
I actually think it'd be oddly funny of Seoul threw the game so Shanghai won and felt better.
I know they won't.
But it'd be funny.
grizzled mulch
more like "how's Runaway are going to lose"
scarlet spear
Runaway FeelsBadMan
rare tangle
go go gadget shanghai
spring lintel
Did kaiser leave runaway too?
scarlet spear
afaik some people said they would leave some time ago, theres been no news about that tho
scarlet spear
ok yeah kaiser did leave runaway last december
just hope we're going to see him compete again, one of the players i would really miss
weary merlin
Initio Gaming NA (Overwatch) Will be competiting in AG Weekly tonight, https://twitter.com/InitioGG/status/955584424099401728
slim summit
the good news is that DF would have to be pretty trash over the next few weeks to not pick up a few good wins
the bad news is that they're still a low-mid tier team, depending on who they lose to
hidden vault
Well SHD had nepotism and they should see it coming
U4 promised more underage players from LDG
🤦 more sucky players?!
teal owl
grizzled mulch
that's rather generous
spring lintel
Every team i played was that
shell rose
why don’t the shanghai dragons just sign miraculous youngster
they’re by far the best chinese players and have challenged korean teams in apex w top 3 finishes
grizzled mulch
because corruption.
shell rose
i’m hoping they get in the league down the line
also runaway as another team in seoul would be great
red anvil
In the strictest sense, MY might been overrated, so i wouldent feel too bad
scarlet spear
definitely would have been better than the mess that is SHD right now
they played well against top tier korean teams
red anvil
They still lost to a LH with 3 people that were new/not on there usual roles
they would have looked better yes, but i wouldent been suprised if it was the team that screwed them over
eUnited and Rogue style
red anvil
no Seoul cup
idle beacon
@red anvil In the strictest sense, MY might been overrated, so i wouldent feel too bad
i got told that MY has rolled seoul 3-0 in some other tournament
red anvil
MY have never beaten LH
idle beacon
but i can't find what tournament
red anvil
only time they fought LH, they lost 3-2
idle beacon
@gaunt acorn did my beat lh or what was that?
red anvil
you dont need to ask Dray, i know LH inside and out
idle beacon
damn .. what was it what i read a week ago
idle beacon
ye
we were talkin about china rippin off my
and that my have been skilled enough facin lh
or something
red anvil
There are MY players that could have been in the Shanghai squad for sure, but several was underage and there is no guarantee that they would have synergised with the current squad
there is more to OW esport than just pure talent
idle beacon
but hey .. even if they have 3 koreander .. there's one team which did freakin well vs a full koreander team
oh
most of MY were underage?
red anvil
2 or 3
idle beacon
well ok, then it's sort of understandable that MY hasn't been bought for shanghai dragons
scarlet spear
i think 2 of em are underage
not really understandable that they didnt pick up the 18+ year olds
like their tank/support lineup
idle beacon
well the chinese coaches had their reasons
scarlet spear
💵
idle beacon
and well .. if shd won't perform well this season, they might get exchanged next season
so
scarlet spear
lets hope so
red anvil
Hopefully they pick up 4 extra players that is actually good during mid season
idle beacon
do china have so many pro ow players?
scarlet spear
diya is definitely someone that can stay, no clue about undead... eileen is turning 18 soonish aswell afaik they better pick him up
idle beacon
eileen
scarlet spear
but their tank/support lineup definitely needs to change
idle beacon
i am askin about the name
like, i've dated a chick .. named eileen
this is a bit confusin 😄
red anvil
yes he is a male
scarlet spear
could have a totally different meaning in chinese than your western girl name
then again, not like that makes him not a really good player that should be picked up for s2 when hes 18
idle beacon
i've told my son .. to either freakin keep on contentratin on school / university .. or to freakin git gud in overwatch .. for OWL .. he's 18 in may ^^
oh .. how do you know i'm western? 😄
other question. is there a possibility checking out the t500 of european countries?
like a specific country?
red anvil
no
idle beacon
@red anvil sup
faint trout
I hate widow in these OWL matches tbh, they are so good that they just take all the excitement out of the teamfights before they even happen. Also the spectators keep the cams on them for like the majority of the fight as well.
young lark
I don't hate widow, but I hate when a lower tier widow will fight a higher tier widow
hidden vault
Nah it was primary due to nepotism @idle beacon
grizzled mulch
that's the idea but given that Shanghai is so shallow in talents
young lark
balmy wolf
I am going to miss out because my computer is not working for overwatch
slim summit
fuel's biggest defeat was the 0-4 against outlaws
but aside from that they've only lost to korean teams + valiant (and valiant likely is the best non-korean team)
hidden vault
which was the other way around during the preseason
slim summit
i expect they'll be picking up matches here soon
hidden vault
without xQc?
hidden vault
welp might be a plus that now xQc is out
slim summit
until dallas loses to another mid tier team
fusion, shock, boston are fine examples
i wouldn't worry too much about em
balmy wolf
Is houston any good?
novel meadow
xQc only played 2 games 
slim summit
Houston is good
but it's too soon to tell how good
bottom half, most likely, or maybe ranked 6th
houston lost to fusion though ... which is a bad asign
bright crater
I already bought 1 Outlaws skin, and my 2nd will likely be Outlaws too
I bought an Outlaws Pharah, and I can't decide between a Fusion Pharah, or a Outlaws Mercy
slim summit
obviously you should get a Spitfire Tracer
bright crater
I have mach-t or whatever, which basically the same thing
bright crater
No, the helmet is the reason it's the only skin I use
bright crater
thanks
jagged crater
remember when before OWL, people wanted mccree to get a buff?
2 weeks in, mccree has a higher pickrate than soldier
sometimes u just gotta wait and see
but i imagine it's very map pool and meta dependent
mccree can kill valk mercy better than soldier
the need for high burst damage is more important
solid spear
give McCree a buff anyway
red anvil
Watch mccree pickrat plummet when mercy gets nerfed
vestal mortar
jagged crater
give mccree a buff!
solid spear
vestal mortar
Coolmatt says gif wrong 
solid spear
scarlet spear
symmetra :^)
solid spear
probably have to see how the game actually is post patch
solid spear
if I had to bet Zen only cuz I think that niggas right clck is stupid
jagged crater
we wont be seeing a nerf for a long time tho
dva is the 2nd most popular hero in the game
jagged crater
there is a strong correlation between the popularity of a hero and how long it takes for said hero to get nerfed
jeff wants to play it safe, doesnt want to hurt the casual playerbase
which is fine!
ish
solid spear
well idk who is the most popular overall since qp and comp are split but
jagged crater
dva is next in line, followed by zen
jagged crater
the overall meta might just go back to a hard dive w/ zen lucio
solid spear
and D.Va is really played as much as she is cuz of the state of Rein and Zarya on most maps
scarlet spear
i'd love to see some zen/lucio instead of that mercy rez fiesta again
solid spear
theyre actually some of the worst heros in the game rn
jagged crater
the state of mercy in some ways has given lesser picked heros a chance to play
scarlet spear
and some more RJH ana
jagged crater
ana & zen usually dont exist together so as long as zen is still really good, ana wont see much play
solid spear
I mean nano is still hot ass and even in tankier comps Moira seems better
even Mercy is probably still better
jagged crater
where was ana actually played this season
numbani 1st point def
junkertown 1st point?
scarlet spear
yeah i think thats pretty much it for ana so far
scarlet spear
not sure
balmy wolf
Is it the place where we discuss about people playing ow and causing k-drama-tier stories?
jagged crater
yes
vestal mortar
Seoul Dynasty, New York Excelsior and London Spitfire are at the top right now!
vestal mortar
Yep
magic zinc
I love the Watchpoint Recaps they're so nice
jagged crater
note all 3 top teams are the 3 full korean teams
they say there's a correlation between winning and # of koreans :0
magic zinc
That still holds up doesn't it? lol
jagged crater
yes
vestal mortar
Houston went against that trend 😛
solid spear
how?
vestal mortar
Beating Fuel
vestal mortar
Oh yeah!
forest wharf
So anyone hype for the dragons vs dynasty game tomorrow? 
vestal mortar
I am!
jagged crater
imagine if dragons win
forest wharf
I mean, its just gonna be 2 hours of rape
jagged crater
it'll throw a cog in everyone's power rankings
forest wharf
If they somehow win i quit owl
keen dagger
how have fuel not won thats what i dont get
jagged crater
fuel has had a relatively hard opponents
forest wharf
Theyre teh suck
jagged crater
this week they have it easy
but if they lose, it's gonna look really bad
fuel vs outlaws made fuel looks very weak tho
they had no idea what to do vs a mid-tier team
and a fast 0-4
but vs spitfires, they had some hope
tidal tartan
Outlaws was expected to win for me. Outlaws have such amazing dps players compared to Fuel. Fuel consists relatively old-school pros. Seagull has definitely lost his luster compared to someone like Linkzr
forest wharf
Inb4 0-5
jagged crater
but they got spanked around like they were the shanghai dragons
thorn forum
man as much as i hate seould dynasty ryujehong is my hero
so i gotta represesent him
torpid charm
who plays tomorrow
thorn forum
LA v LA will be the only good one
i kinda wanna watch seoul v shangai
just cause
thorn forum
so do i but that one will prob be funny to watch
and la v la i think will be good. both show to have no quit in them even at end
gaunt acorn
just get all the seoul players jacked up on novocaine
and give the shanghai players adderall
they'll still lose but at least they might get 1 map
hidden vault
Nah seoul will still win
orchid herald
Friday has the clash of titans
NYXL vs Seoul
I’ve got my money on a 3-2 to either team
torpid charm
that'll be wild ashell if Seoul loses
restive spear
I'm praying for Seoul to run some clown comps like 4 support or offensive sym or something, but its not gonna happen
vs shanghai
slim summit
i wouldn't be surprised if NYXL rolls Spitfire 4-0
Spitfire doesn't seem to have any really cogent map specific strategies
it seems like they run the fundamental comp and just try to make it work
the same doesn't appear true for NYXL
velvet scarab
it's gonna be a blowout
hidden vault
Seoul could forfit the match and they would still win by default
sullen berry
it's pretty down to underestimate shanghai, but their team
it's not working, but I wonder if it's to the level Fuel has experienced lately
balmy wolf
I don't now
night dagger
DALLAS FTW
red anvil
Dallas is 0-4, and there the best team? 
deft valley
he didn't say they're the best?
hidden vault
welp might be a plus now that xQc is off te game
gaunt acorn
@toxic pasture Seoul Dynasty is almost unanimously ranked the top team at the moment
top 3 teams are Seoul Dynasty, New York Excelsior, and London Spitfire
toxic pasture
Coolmatt is pretty good
toxic pasture
but is he better than Mickie
red anvil
yes
toxic pasture
nah
toxic pasture
ye
gaunt acorn
the biggest d.va star right now is the emergence of poko
he turned a lot of heads
i wouldn't say he's the best d.va but he's certainly the best at getting mileage out of her ultimate
toxic pasture
linkzr is doing very well rn too
hidden vault
I don't like how all the other dva players use their ults
it's not representive of it
hidden vault
yes...
gaunt acorn
poko just favours getting picks with it
hidden vault
it is but still it could do much more
toxic pasture
that's how I use it lol
gaunt acorn
neither is necessarily a "better" playstyle
sometimes the remech is more valuable than blowing up a genji
toxic pasture
Yes
hidden vault
agreed
hidden vault
but I just prefer poko's method
forest wharf
its great as a zoning ult
toxic pasture
the new dva skin is super overrated
hidden vault
well it's nice
that's all it matters
I still prefer classic
but it doesn't mean I can't like it
forest wharf
dynasty dva skin is pretty nice
toxic pasture
Dva skins in general are pretty underwhelming
forest wharf
police skin is also pretty awesome
fresh arrow
Palanquin still better
And yep, Mickie needs to sit down and re-evaluate his D.Va play
It's definitely mid-tier at best now
toxic pasture
Yep
manic sparrow
Holla
bitter phoenix
I play dva as a dps and it works great for me.
serene owl
Seol Dynasty skins are for when you want to pretend that you have a sense of fashion
"Oh look two analogous neutral colors wow this looks so good"
piss off wankers
fresh arrow
I don't really see how black and gold are analogous or neutral
But uh
You can pick whatever skins you like and pay for them yourself
balmy wolf
So when is the mid season thing trials?
scarlet spear
if you mean mid season signings, its mid february afaik
scarlet spear
so samsung is sponsoring some unknown italian/swiss team that also has DNCE, zave and linepro on it? that sound so weird
daring widget
whos ready to see shanghai win against seoul
deft valley
Maybe in WWIII
not happening in OWL
viral bronze
hey whys shanghai fighting seoul
grizzled mulch
schedule?
pearl stratus
@upper patrol The only good games are on like.. Friday/Saturday 😦
Well LAV vs LAG should be decent, I guess.
uncut turtle
a lot of the time pokos bombs arent cause hes insane
but its poor play on the enemy
like for instance he caught dhak with almost all his bombs
thats just cause dhak was retarded
not cause poko is insane
orchid herald
Who’s ready for the Chinese powerhouse to beat the Seoul dynasty???
because im not
vernal obsidian
... wut
vestal mortar
Dynasty fighting!
magic zinc
Man I wish the Seoul interview in Watchpoint today was more in-depth
They have some nice questions imo but they didn't really go anywhere with it
vernal obsidian
What I want is for spitfire to stop dyansty from getting a perfect run.
orchid herald
Yeah
vernal obsidian
jesus
orchid herald
ny went 3-0 and drew on the last map
vernal obsidian
They went from poop to good as soon as ryu said that dyansty wants to face against them
pearl stratus
They were always good on paper.
They actually had time to play together.
The only difference between Korean and non-Korean teams right now really is team cohesion and teamwork.
pearl stratus
You get Seoul which for all intents and purposes has almost two years of teamwork built up.
Against teams with two months.
pearl stratus
They're also a prebuilt team.
orchid herald
^
orchid herald
Two prebuilt teams for london
vernal obsidian
So do any of the players on spitfire actually live in London?
orchid herald
No
pearl stratus
Most people on their teams don't live there.
I think Houston is the exception
They actually have a kid from Houston.
Or at least Texas.
pearl stratus
I mean the announcer said it best.
You can't cheer USA USA USA when you have one person from the US on your team.
vernal obsidian
In the beginning, I was rooting for fuel but then I started seeing that they had no teamwork, just star players.
orchid herald
It’s sort of like pro sport teams
Where not all the players re from the country
Like for instance how many New Yorkers are on the yankees
pearl stratus
A lot of sports do have some regional locking though.
Like UK Football does require that some percentage of players are from the area.
orchid herald
And some states have a lack of local talent so far
vestal mortar
Next season teams should be moving to their home cities 👌
orchid herald
^
But how are there gonna be multiple matches a day?
They’re probably changing the schedule right
vestal mortar
No idea what the plan is tbh but I'm sure they already have some ideas of how to make it work!
pearl stratus
I actually don't think all of them will.
I think they'll do the US.
It'd be crazy to do some of these matches like... Seoul?
How do you manage that?
magic zinc
Well that is the goal
pearl stratus
I think each team will have stadiums for tournaments but season play may stay in the US.
magic zinc
I agree it sounds a little unrealistic, flying around the world every week
pearl stratus
I mean its not a realistic goal. Because it puts teams at a huge disadvantage.
Not even every week.
EVERY DAY.
They play Wed/Thurs/Fri/Sat.
Which means a team could play in Korea one day and someone else the next day or two
magic zinc
Even in Season 2?
You can have 1 arena 'host' like 4 teams and they play each other over the week
vestal mortar
^
pearl stratus
I mean they could adjust how they do schedules, but it doesn't seem super logical versus tournament hosting.
And they may do a group solution, but I dunno.
Unless they bring everyone to one arena per week, which would make more sense
So like Week 1 is from the Korea stadium, Week 2 from the London, etc.
But then it gets weird when you get to the US and you've got 6 different ones.
vestal mortar
One of the parts of being allowed to buy into the league was being able to host and run events. That is why Rogue while they had enough capital weren't allowed a slot.
iirc
pearl stratus
Yeah I know. But the key word I picked out of that was events
Kind of like where you hold the olympics, etc.
But we'll see how they do it in Season 2.
Everything else is just guesswork.
vestal mortar
They will have all of off season to put everything into place 😛
pearl stratus
Yeah. My only other big concern is being able to keep some watch on the teams, so I hope there's like..
A league rep at each stadium.
The Shanghai thing ended up going nutso on the web, and I think having representatives will help squash some stuff.
narrow dew
hopefully
they wont move teams
around like retards
and keep them at the same place
getting visas for teams to move countries every week
is also unrealistic
pearl stratus
It'll probably end up like pro-sports teams, moving has a lot of caveat and you can do it.
narrow dew
especially in china
pearl stratus
But that's more on the owners.
We'll find out when the first owner sells off their team.
spring lintel
Guys what tier are college teams?
scarlet spear
if you consider OWL tier1 now, i'd guess ~4 ?
never watched the college games, but i'd guess they aren't as good as teams trying for open division?
since they are college bound?
spring lintel
College teams play in open division
My friend is in one and he is playing in open division
velvet scarab
tier 3 if they can get far in open division
scarlet spear
yeah guess you couldnt really count any team in open division as tier3
spring lintel
Nvm they are like tier 5
errant kayak
the gangbang starts at 9pm eastern, right?
grizzled mulch
Twitter
shell saffron
seoul vs shanghai
scarlet spear
RJH with the steak carry
shell saffron
this is going to be a good ass whooping
noble jacinth
im rooting for shock here 
tight vault
most deaths
spring lintel
Did nyxl play against Shanghai before?
scarlet spear
dont think so
scarlet spear
dunno some weird stuff
rustic perch
what the fuck
scarlet spear
i want good old shittalk from APEX back
rustic perch
oh yea right, what happened to the apex tournaments?