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LOOOL
lol
Yeah last match.
Nevix outdamaged Danteh.
Danteh is a support dps right now.
Babybay is the only playmaker.
: the one team where all our players are under 22 except for our mercy player
dhak yelling about emotes in preseason π
danteh looks 11
i look 10
I'd feel so bad playing Zenyatta in this league.
i look -1
his voice doesnt match his face
With Jjonak standing right there.
Judging you.
With his monster damage.
Dhak is the team dad.
sinatraa CRINGE
idk how sinatraa made it into the league
Such a weird team.
150k but still one of the worst DPS in the WC
negotiation
150k for rank 1 tracer
And spend it on dressing their announcers like real people.
but hes like
Not hipsters.
eh
smh
whats hipster about them lol
They look like starbucks vomited on some homeless people.
And let them analyze OW.
grey jacket + fluorescent shirt
Badly analyze it.
tenkei doesnt sound like a city boy 
They just look so bad.
esports casters have a long tradition of looking like edgy kids on prom night
If you're going to have a huge investment of hundreds of millions of dollars.
they look like normal people to me idk
Dress them well.
maybe ubers shirt is a little hipstery but actual hipsters are way more over thew top than that
sinatraa is going to get shat on once he's old enough to play in OWL
i can just feel it in my bones man
lol fr
lol
he's really good
That's actually a fantastic point from the casters, that whole flank is just never used, I wonder what would have to happen to it for it be to good
but he tilts
his decision making is worse than xqcs smh
all of WC you could see it
while they were winning he's on point
once they start losing he starts picking terrible engagements and dies before the teamfight
he complained about how SBB was always getting harmonied in WC so that's why he was always dying to SBB
Aren't we all terrified of C9
when is sinatraa not complaining
literally he tried to trash talk SBB by saying "his tracer playstyle is like a p***y"
like
wtf
or if he'll just get shat on like i'm predicting he will
thats so dumb honestly
Why donβt they put IDDQD in?
Wow that push.
idd is still in the hyperbolic time chamber
Tracer dies to dva ult, that shouldn't happen
4-0 squad
boston is awake
and then i was worried again about the reverse sweep
being happy london won 
That was probably the best game of the stage so far.
london is my team
LAV vs. LS was the best game
someone has to be the team to beat seoul and it's not gonna be valiant
because it actually had tension and wasnt a blowout
its ok nyxl could beat seoul
It's not going to be London either π
i'm in it for the maximum possible grind final euphoria
ofc I've seen the rest of it, I made and edit the post π @upper patrol
NYXL might, but definitely not London.
This is the last game tonight, isn't it?
QUAD TANK π
Oooh quad tank again
I kind of love quad tank.
quad dps when
MOIRA IN QUADTANK WE PREDICTED THIS π
We've seen tri-dps a bunch.
Quad tank just turns into a big brawl.
Because healers get ults quick, and they tend to be big ol huge fights.
Grav->Whole Hog-> Shatter H U G E
No picks that make the entire push stop for 30 seconds
Babybay with a garbage grav.
grav whole hog is my most favorite combo
Grav + Moira.
i call it the "scrap grinder"
sounds dank
That wet noodle push
was the first game good?
Mmmm delicious
Valiant vs. Spitfire? that was the best game of stage 1
Well, that's a hold
philly lag
Danteh isn't aggressive and doesn't actually make the other team peel to try and deal with him.
So he's kind of useless.
danteh is just ALRIGHT
He's ignorable.
I don't agree with Quad tank, either you win first push or you just give them ults all the time
Which a Tracer should never be
he's like a mosquito
yeah its annoying, but unless it has a disease (pulsebomb) it's nothing serious
And Kazper handled Babybay perfectly on Genji.
Just kept hitting him hard enough not to kill him.
But to keep him driven back
So, why is Mei not picked more? Surely she's got some real power vs some of the "meta" heroes ATM
She's Mei.
^
mei is low dmg and gets swamped by dive
She has some use on second point lunar colony.
yeah she was used pretty well on london vs. glad tho
And gets focused down too fast to matter.
only jehong has the power to play mei
Interesting
This is the third time in a row Iβve got the same ad
other than that she's just niche as fuck
You use her for point stall.
london ran mei on point a of HLC in preseason
She's not horrible, she's just horrible against Dive.
when's blizzard nerfing dive
Every hero in Dive is super mobile except Zenyatta.
And Mei is a fat little spaz.
And can't catch mobile people.
its been 50,000 years
35-2 MONKAS?
BISHU IS ON THE NEWS
You used to see lucio a lot more in five, now itβs all mercy
Because I understand why some of the Heroes aren't being played (Sym and Torb are obvious), but I always thought Mei had some potential, it's interesting that even with her abilites she's still that bad.
Yeah yeah
Mobile Meta = Mei is screwed.
I get that, I'm just saying it's interesting
It's like Moira.
why
Super balanced support.
Haha
Yeah, that makes sense
why didnt danteh play zarya
root for SF
boston is about to 3-1 SF
Because Shock is one trick
I wanna see more reaper
I also want to see more Reaper
San Francisco Babybays.
Reaper has been played a lot in OWL so far.
Someone mentioned earlier OWL has seen a LOT of different heroes realistically.
I rooted for shock as my underdog team and NYXL as my main team
everyone but symm
I like philly too
I like watching Hydration randomly pull out Doomfist.
seoul is my skin team 
I would like to see some Ana, but I know she's SO bad vs dive
Seoul is my main andNYXL is my underdog
She's actually just kind of bad.
Ana is one of the few heroes that I'd say actually needs something.
she needs a self heal
mfw they're gonna ban all the shit 2cp maps :feelslifeman:
if only reddit agreed with you tenkei
I don't think she needs much though.
Like her numbers feel fine.
She's just missing some utility tool thing.
She needs a wall climb
like what, mobility?
oh shit
Some form of mobility would be really nice
anti heal and sleep are pretty damn good
Especially since she's supposed to be a sniper
For real
ana is good tho
but guys what button would ana's new ability be bound to
Space
i think the issue with ana is that her self sustain and mobility are just so damn ass compared to some of the other healers
Make it a secondary weapon
ana got pushed out of meta by dive and now by moira being just better than her
and its a huge 
i made a joke about giving ana a cool grandma skateboard
now i actually want a skateboard for ana 
hoverboard*
Spray can weapon
Let her run fast for 2-3 seconds.
i swear dude it's been oasis for 3rd map every damn time
i'm getting so tired of this
so would that eat some of her ult charge @pearl stratus
I think for someone who's a sniper she has a REALLY hard time getting to high ground
@full lion I actually considered that it'd be interesting that she could upkeep it at the expense of ult charge.
But I don't think Blizzard could implement it well.
u right
but if you give ana wall climb
I kind of want someone who's ult wouldn't be a "PRESS Q USE 100%" kind of thing, something about an ult charge being more of a stockpile would be interesting
Also I think giving Ryuhejong a charged Ana would be just disaster for everyone else.
it opens up the new bullshit hanzo strat
He'd start soloing teams.
where you just chill behind walls and wall run up and do your shit and go back down
blizzard shoulda known they fucked up when ana's debut trailer showed her ontop of a pillar on anubis but there's no way to actually do that in game
^
My other thought that could be cool.
We be something like Sombra's recall.
But Ana shoots it with her gun.
And you have a few seconds to teleport to your shot target.
that sounds pogchamp as fuck
I really like the idea of multiple heroes having the same or similar abilites
So scope a friendly target and translocate.
Like Genji and Hanzo's wall climb
It makes for really fun interactions and counters
You'd have to give it like a 20-30 second cooldown though.
Or let her place a jump pad.
Tech Grandma.
idk giving heroes similar abilities like wall climb would be bad
jeff hire tenkie
ana is fine
I also think stealth should be more of a thing other than just invincible-ness
like nobody in OW is going to have another double jump except for genji because that's his thing

^racist
LOL
lmao
Way to go H&MSoup.


You cheeky monkey
i didn't know there were any black players in owl thats pretty cool
If you're thinking of Kazper I think he's actually spanish

i think it said snow
Oh yeah.,
he's ethiopian
But iirc he's been in the US since he was like 3.
So he's american π
thats cool
NICE MERCY
they move fast yo
Pro Mercy btw
Jakes was the best, because they did a highlight reel for the car.
wasn't taimous car death a reset tho
One of.

The other one he tried to jump hook someone into traffic.
kek
So he got conc'd and then his toe was tickled by a passing car and ded
sleepy was sleepy
i guess that's part of the fun of oassis
π π
Always stick the tank
That barrier
That was a nice matrix to keep Pharah alive
whatt

w
What a mine
@upper patrol FUCKING LUL
I wish there was a little indicator in the killfeed when someone was killed with a headshot
Oh
DANTEH ACTUALLY KILLING SHIT 
Well I suppose this is a good a time as any to share that I am colourblind

It's why I wish they'd use white borders for one team and black borders for the other
idk how colorblindness works
you just can't see a certain color?
i dunno if it would be like grey or it just blends in with other colors
It's very difficult to put into terms, but suffice to say I don't exactly trust when I see something as a "different" colour that it is actually a different colour
Oh I see, I think I got it now, Babybay just killed Tracer with a headshot, I think I got it now
Is it a specific colour or are they coloured per team
SF's are orange
damn
boston's are blue
Ok so it's per team, sweet ty I'll figure it out
in the regular game theyre just red
inb4 2-2
That was a tasty last round
ye

happens to me a lot lol
hello
which team has the korean advantage
Then what does that make the tracer that dies to it?
how much each
This match is interesting because even if SF wins, Boston outscores them
there's gotta be some sorta formula to math out the advantage the amount of Koreans a team has
stereotypes are based off a grain of truth
Often outdated truths
and yet truths
You must play a Grand Wizard in all your RPG's. π
LOL
when it stops being the best race- I mean class π
Alright I'm gonna stop this conversation right here
I HATE dying at that range to Tracer
hahahha
The Korean thing is a non-issue, its just communication.
It's 2 year old vs 2 month old teams.
that's a good explanation
hopefully after a few seasons the teams will equalize a little bit
In the long term the Korean teams could actually be at a disadvantage.
it's objectively true that most of these players are Koreans
Because they're so used to what they do and play with each other.
It screws up innovation.
i want Boston to win so we get a 5th map
Kazper on Genji has been good at shutting down Babybye.
Which means Shock hits a wall
kinda curious to see how they play after the nerf
I always thought Winston's ult would be cool if it did AoE damage around him while he was using like, like his Coil was overloaded or something idk
BIGGEST CHOKE FROM WIDOW
Neko mvp.
5th map. lets go
That wasn't a choke, he shut down the dragonblade lol
Literally Neko MVP
He just wasn't expecting balls to his face.
I think Winston's ult is just right imo.

PotG Tree
It's a great zoning ult.
winston is fine as he is tbh
twitch chat: this team is sheer obesity
If it did more damage it'd be obscene.
close game
It is great, and my idea would be SUPER imbalanced, I just thought it'd be a cool idea
like 50 damage per second? 
IIRC primal rage winston does 45 damage per hit
Well Shocks biggest issue is they literally have one player.
lul
It's Babybay versus Boston.
danteh did really well
It reminds me of Fletas old team.
but it was never on camera
2-2
SWEET!
game 5 lijang
man im kinda upset out of all days this is the day i decided to skip
I...
im slowly starting to like san fran
It'd be entertaining since Boston's ace isn't Korean π
cool
Kazper puts in way more work than Striker on average.
haHAA
Hows the game going?
2-2
WE 2-2 BOYS
game 5 lijang

:
what?
Oh damn

Thats really weird, didn not expect that to happen
lol

much better mercy kill
My favorite is that SF had all left the point.
did they just throw that
Dvaa ult is charging!
Never even claimed it.
OOF
Babybay Babybay's not able to close it.
who do you think is better dps dkp or babybay
dream kasper been better rn
Babybay is insane.
But you can't have one player teams.
How is Widow on this map?
gamsu?
Parkour!
I heard this channel likes roasting Dallas
Babybay not enough.
Did nevix save that lucio
really good save by noko
Gotta bench Danteh.
Moar like Dallas NEEDS A MEDIC BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAG
just read the meme ok
LOL ICED
XD
Kalios Zarya
i chuckled but cmon

burn
Im glad we are seeing moira plays in OWL
not gonna lie
trash talking in OWL is the best part of real life sports
I gotta be the messenger
Holy crap that shot of Rein, I clenched
anyone else haveing terrible slowness
no
and lags
All good here
prob cause i have it on my VGA monitor
^
2 hd and one VGA
i thought that died with windows 97
Does VGA support 108060?
That'll be why
Jesus Kalios just insta-deleted the baby d'va
yep
That couldve been a legendary deadeye
GO danteh!
what a tire
Three Dallas fans were bemoaning the sorry state of their beloved League team.
βI blame the general manager,β said the first fan. βIf the players he signed had chemistry, maybe we'd be better.β
βI blame the players,β said the second fan. βIf they made more of an effort, maybe we'd actually win a map.β
βI blame my parents,β said the third. βIf Iβd been born in Houston, Iβd be supporting a decent team.β
they do it out of fear
NOOOOO
Best thing to do is bait riptire as moira and fade out
Cmon shock lets bring this whole series down to one fight
Most of the time I bet its so they can try and look both directions.
And call for each other
Where the ult is
CMONN!!
that NA charge

Yes mate.
YEAEAEAA
LUL
wow
WOOT
BIG
DOUBLE TIEBREAKER
this is RiDiCuLoUs
Is this the closest game so far?
yes
yes
wtf
Who is everyone rooting for?


SF


this is a long one
????????
WHAST
Well that's the first pause I've seen in OWL
A?DAW?D
Wow you guys must love street fighter
haha haha haha haah aha haha hahah aha

rigged
RIGGED

lol
WTF JUST HAPPENED
someone tripped over a cable
There was a pause during a NYXL game.
lol
LUL
What a rush killer
yea
Paude
rush killer
paude
the greatest wekness of esports
could we nod paude dad shid

paude
All that wasted adrenline
why the pause
i hate then the paude the matches
paude*
paude. sorry
Padrè
playd
unpaude

and trynna make my raid team wait for me
it unpauded
i want boston to win
lmao
It no paude no morde
RIkked
Thats gotta be tilting

daaaaang
this isnt 04watch π
GET WREKT
2-2, 1-1
YAS 
paude
Letβs goooo Shock
that about to w a n
Compadrè
going to wan
baby focusing on d va
HUND DAD MERDY
why is nobody ever shooting babybay
HE SIAD NOPE
just look up and m1
this is the baybay show
This is why I like you Danteh
I like how weβre seeing everything from pharah
no one targeted Phara
SF SF SF
nope
Pharahs view is 
DANTEH
8HP
MINEMAN
they can do it 
EIGHT
8 HP
1 last ult

8 health!?
lol
That was sick nasty from Boston
8hp monkaS
Dva ult not needed
better safe than never
why do these players bother putting up sprays? they seem to do it a lot lol
that would be the longes it could be
LAST FIGHT
Muscle memory
habit
YES WINSTON
LETS GO
Its to keep you pumped up and ready while you wait
GAME
damn
Get them!
nooooooooooo
HOLY
OHHH FUCK
CRAP
GAMQQQQQ@!!!!!1
gg
YES
game*
GG
SFSHOCK

what an ending
As a neutral, what a series man
im so proud of SF
Game of the season?

Gotta be up there for Game of the Stage
β€
lmao
the pause effected it
π
Clowny is entertaining
It's a tie score overall too.
SF gets the round win.
But the overall score was dead tie for tiebreakers.
He got bopped into a car lol
dhak is p cute
Standings at the end of week 2:
Stage 1 Standings: (W-D-L)
Seoul Dynasty: 4-0 [14-1-1]
New York Excelsior: 4-0 [13-1-2]
London Spitfire: 4-0 [13-0-4]
Houston Outlaws: 2-2 [11-0-6]
Los Angeles Valiant: 2-2 [9-2-6]
San Francisco Shock: 2-2 [7-1-9]
Philadelphia Fusion: 2-2 [7-1-10]
Los Angeles Gladiators: 2-2 [7-0-10]
Boston Uprising: 1-3 [7-0-10]
Florida Mayhem: 1-3 [5-0-11]
Dallas Fuel: 0-4 [2-2-12]
Shanghai Dragons: 0-4 [1-0-15]
wait thats there mercy player
Shanghai will come through, I believe
Lol fuel is ranked lower than mayhem
They won't come through this stage/season.
π π
They'll come through when they get their full roster change.
For S2.
Which they already said they're doing.
Yeah, pretty much
dam this was thevlast match???
Babybay
New York Excelsior VS Seoul Dynasty will be 
MotM
i missed everything π
Westcoast wrestlers when?
The top players in china are actually really good too.
DALLAS FUEL BTW 
man she really does look like tracer
They're not a new as hell team.
weren't they?
They're a low ranked team that got brought in with a really bad coach.
MG/Undead/Altering were all on a team.
i must be thinking of something else
They were just a bad team lol
was this the best match of the entire league guys?
No
jeff lol
LAV vs. London was a lot better.
Yeah that's what always confused me Tenkei, I thought that Chinese teams were supposed to be like top top tier, and then Shanghai comes in and just do not deliver
I have to ask why
Lav vs london was faster
glad vs fusion was pretty 
And it screwed them.
Glads vs Fusion was the full reverse sweep
yeah
When they redo their roster and remove their coach I think they'll do a lot better.
that was sick
it was my fave
but this one was nice too, the last 3 maps i saw
but glad fusion match was AMAZING
So like, 2-0 to lose 3-2?
Yeah
Got it, ty
@pearl stratus it looks cool and deadly
I feel like I have to main hog with the new skin
Fusion was 2 Glads was 0 then it ended with Fusion 2 Glads 3. Reverse sweep
Its on their twitter
Oh no, Rein, I'm maining Rein with the new skin. That's majestic.
kabuki hanzo looks pretty cool to me
lmao that jeff kaplain cutout
he has so many preexisting better skins though.
Rein?
Like his new winter one is so good.
hanzo's winter skin is his only good one
Biggoose is on the
His wolf one is good too, and his cyborg one.
???
oh yeah and cyborg
where is there player of the game
I wonder what the potgs are of these owl games
mercy rezzes
I love player comms, you get this idea that they are all these cool, calm, professionals, and then player comms are just "MERCYMERCYMERCYWINSTONWINSTONLUCIOLUCIO <Random quiet guy>WIDOW ONEPUSHPUSHNIIIIIIIICE"
Y'all sleeping on the demon Hanzo skin
Can't disagree with Danteh for MotM
anyways, yea as the casters saod yesterday. competitive never sais things once its always twice you say it
Only 3 more days until our cosmetics update arrives in Overwatch! Join us as we count down to their release with new item reveals every day.
Today's reveal: KABUKI HANZO (Legendary Skin) https://t.co/P5Ef6C3Ks0
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"left side left side" "mercy low mercy low" "rez rez"

IT WAS SO CLOSE
not quite as close as the sf vs. boston one but pretty close
SF Shock for the win 

#NALCS 2018 debut today peaked at ~350,000 concurrent viewers all streams combined. The launch of #OverwatchLeague reached 425,000 concurrent viewers. It happened - Overwatch beat out League of Legends.
Thinking about it all this stuff about xQc has gotta be hella good for his stream right?
Probably not, honestly.
why're you watching him?
also he's probably just pissed and aggravated
that has the same effect as cocaine
Yo, xQc just got banned, im crying XD
I wanna see what the hub-ub is about
i think it's just hubbub
I wanna know what he said, specifically
no from the league, he made some homosexual comments about moomoo
well i just found out, and im crying from laughter. ive always hated him
oh, I read the comment
yeah that's bad I guess
I've said worse
shrug
seems just like a lot of dumb shittalking
its the fact that he is in a proffesional league,he shouldnt be talking like that at all. He should know better
The Dallas team is getting him professional help, like mental help.
like I'm listening to him right now and he's flipping between calling people retards and responding to criticisms saying "I'm really sorry I'm better than that"
like what
why, is he ill
just seems like a pewdiepie type guy
he is
He might nto be ill, but he's also not worth keeping around for the league.
He's a mediocre okay player that brings bad publicity.
There's no 'bad boy ' of esports.
Just an idiot who can't shut his mouth.
Also its really obvious his team plays better without him
i cant put photos in here so .-.
I saw his you're benched for stage 1 thing
yeah
i mean
the issue was that it was highly unprofessional
but also that it was definitely targeted at muma's sexuality
i don't see his jab at muma is homophobic though
it's not an uncommon insult, but combine the insult with a "you'd prolly like it" and a shocked face that the thing actually came out of his mouth and you get where the whole "homophobia" thing comes from
it's not... strictly homophobic in the way that like, lynching people for being gay or castrating them for lying in the same bed as another man is
if you're a straight guy,and i tell you to "eat a pussy",is that straight-phobic?
but it's still targeted towards a sexuality that's often marignalized
but i agree this guy need PR staff
like take away his twitter account
how was his remark not homophobic lol
it's a double standard, i guess
it's trashtalk,pure and simple
it's not extremely homophobic but it did target muma's sexuality
it wasn't that he told him to suck a dick, he said "he'd probably enjoy it"
because he's gay
wut
this one? nah
words aren't what make it, intent and meaning is
^
one of the seoul coaches looks way older
in the end,i agree that his action is bad for his org
like in his 40s?
he directly used his sexuality as an insult, not acceptable
yeah
but not homophobic though
that's kind of what homophobia means generally
isn it the narrative,homophobic statement?
if you respected or had no ill will towards homosexuals then it wouldn't come out of your mouth as an insult
like i typed above,i'ts a trashtalk
like, segregation as a principle doesn't immediately sound racist; you had stuff for white people, then you had stuff for dark skinned people, then you had stuff for asians
the trouble though was that it was massively abused
there's a difference between banterous trash talk and calling out someones sexuality lmao
wtf
everyone else got lower standards, were treated worse if they were even treated nicely at all, etc.
yeah
if i told you to eat a pussy,is that straight-phobic?
smoked n rolled, doggies
not the same thing
assuming you're straight
people aren't persecuted for being straight
we hold standards differently if it's persecutable or not
like
it's like how someone insulting me for being white i wouldn't give a fuck but it's different for other races
telling a woman to make a sandwich has negative connotations
but telling a man to make a sandwich doesn't
because men weren't subjugated into positions of submission like women were
wow,so it's okay to hold different standard?
what are you not understanding here
the standards are different because they've ALWAYS been different dude
what you basically said is




