about OWl not regular OW
#esports-discussion
night notch
pearl stratus
😠
night notch
oooo
full lion
fuck console
night notch
so like whether that gets brought into OWL or not?
night notch
didn't the world cup have servers using a pre-patch version for the huge mercy change?
full lion
season 2 
pearl stratus
If its mid-stage there's a good chance it'll wait till the next Stage.
jovial jewel
6-9
rare tangle
feels like the non Korean teams need to bust their asses off and go super saiyan to win
pearl stratus
They just don't have the communication yet.
full lion
pretty much
pearl stratus
Communication and cohesion.
magic zinc
Yeah they're technically already a patch behind afaik, they dont have the Doomfist fixes I think
pearl stratus
Are Koreas biggest advantages.
pearl stratus
Which we probably won't see happen really solidly to Western Teams till stage 2-3.
night notch
i wonder if he'll see more playtime when those come in
north tendon
jeff said its more about the rest of the world needing a buff
pearl stratus
Expecting a team that's played together for two months to deal with teams who've played together for two years
rare tangle
and by then the Korean teams will be unstoppable
pearl stratus
Is pretty huge.
Jeff calls people out on being trash a lot.
It's why I respect Jeff.
rare tangle
does jeff think the rest of the world sees pro gamers as a real job like south korea does?
pearl stratus
"I don't think this needs a buff. I think you're really bad."
full lion
but he said its ok to onetrick so jeff loses a few points in my book
magic zinc
Pine out again
full lion
the rest of the world laughs at esports
pearl stratus
I mean realistically for a soloQ person it is okay to one trick if you're one tricking something useful 😛
Like no one would care if they made friends with a one trick mercy or zenyatta.
rare tangle
can't really expect the rest of the world to get better when the other countries think pro gamers are filthy lazy slackers
jovial jewel
eichenwalde 
pearl stratus
I can't think of a country that matters anymore that hasn't embraced E-sports.
full lion
until the matchmaking system evenly distributes onetricks in games onetricking is gross
edgy swallow
everyone loves onetrick mercys
north tendon
I heard they have been putting dragons through 15 hours of practice a day
thats harsh lol
rare tangle
yeah no
jovial jewel
ye dragons have been getting it 🙏
magic zinc
Thats kinda speculation
rare tangle
i doubt any country is really gung go about esports like korea
full lion
no country has embraced esports like korea
pearl stratus
Gung ho, no, but embracing yes.
magic zinc
I think Doa said it but he said he wasn't sure after
pearl stratus
The new premier league stadiums in the UK are almost all containing E-sport Arenas in them
Because they're doing the Fifa League soon.
jovial jewel
still long ass hours probably
edgy swallow
jjonak ana 
pearl stratus
US Colleges tend to have teams, and we've got a lot of professional sports teams buying e-sports teams.
magic zinc
Speaking of which, London is talking with Spurs about using that e-sports arena so thats rad
slate wraith
i'd like to see a college league man
edgy swallow
college league would be great
pearl stratus
Yeah, London Spitfire should be in the new e-sports Arena in the London stadium.
magic zinc
In the Netherlands we already have a FIFA league but its honestly kinda terrible, has like 80 viewers at a time
rare tangle
then i guess most adults are nuts then when i hear them yelling at their kids for playing games all the time and to think about a real job
slate wraith
considering half the OWL players are college-age anyway lol
pearl stratus
Or its almost like generational gap makes issues like that.
jovial jewel
FIFA LEAGUE 
pearl stratus
My generation got told to become things like Lawyers. Now lawyers are useless and an overbloated industry unless you're super specialist.
It's just a generation gap thing.
slate wraith
same with architects tenkei
pearl stratus
E-sports is still young, it'll get there.
slate wraith
i'm in that trap
jovial jewel
become a fireman
pearl stratus
Yep.
spring lintel
LOL late ass valk
pearl stratus
If I could I'd go back in time and not go to college, tbh.
I'd go to a trade school.
And make really solid money in an in demand position.
edgy swallow
worst stagger i've ever seen was what korea did in the WC
full lion
college is a scam. play video games kids.
slate wraith
^
edgy swallow
demeched the DVA, trapped her, pushed her back with a dva boost and then killed her mid drop
pearl stratus
College is great, Trade Schools are great, E-sports are great.
Do what makes you happy, but know the positives and negatives 😛
rare tangle
i doubt it'll be at the point where i can just walk into a place and esports will be on the tv
pearl stratus
Its happening here in Boston.
full lion
i wish i didnt go to college. it didnt make me happy 
night notch
i've asked this before but still haven't gotten an answer, does anyone know how they determine which team is assigned the white color?
pearl stratus
There's like 4-5 bars that are showing the game next.
jovial jewel
college btw
pearl stratus
And they do half off drinks during the game.
rare tangle
well I'm in texas and it's not happened yet
magic zinc
At a traditional bar? Maybe not. But I'm sure there'll be gaming bars in due time
rare tangle
at least not in a way I've noticed
rare tangle
texas is one of the bigger states
full lion
theres a gaming bar in boston
pearl stratus
Bigger doesn't mean anything.
magic zinc
NYXL meanwhile with a great hold btw
full lion
oh shit does ny really
rare tangle
Texas has a team in every sport
spring lintel
how? nyxl should have won that. fuck mercy
balmy wolf
Size doesnt matter
vestal mortar
Houston had a big fan viewing for their OWL game
night notch
Battle and Brew in Atlanta is an amazing gamer bar
full lion
i live there and i havent heard of any
pearl stratus
Yeah but Texas really still only cares about Football.
night notch
they have huge events for OWL
rare tangle
size matters when it comes to the market
jovial jewel
oshit atlanta has a gaming bar?
balmy wolf
Texas has a team in overwatch too
pearl stratus
Texas has two.
jovial jewel
then again why did i think it didn't?
magic zinc
Mwah, NYXL spent about a minute on point just to get them into OT, they knew they were gonna lose it
night notch
yeah it's like my fav spot
pearl stratus
Chicago sucked for 70 years.
Still had bears fans.
Football is etched into the US, lol
jovial jewel
the day when e-sports becomes mainstream will be cool af.
edgy swallow
LA not moving the payload
night notch
VIKINGS TOMORROW BB SKOL
edgy swallow
hmmm
rare tangle
the dallas cowboys are seen as the football team of americans
pearl stratus
But yeah, E-sports is getting there.
spring lintel
asher feeding
pearl stratus
It'll just take longer in some areas.
vestal mortar
pearl stratus
The south is going to take a long time.
edgy swallow
with this little time they can't afford to be moving it that slow
jovial jewel
^^
pearl stratus
Also Houston has an actual player from Houston, don't they?
So its home town hero story.
jovial jewel
literally anywhere in georgia except for atlanta: RIP
edgy swallow
they're trying to win a team fight but NYXL has the high ground
full lion
good for houston
pearl stratus
Well Dallas has its own issues.
balmy wolf
Xqc naughty boi
night notch
fuck that kid
jovial jewel
xQc btw
pearl stratus
Not even xQc.
he's the worst person on their roster.
There's a reason he was benched a lot.
north tendon
that dad is like "welp son, time for us to leave"
balmy wolf
Homophobic rap god brat
night notch
yeah where his ego came from always confused me
edgy swallow
he's only good at being an aggresive winston and that's not meta
full lion
can you blame him
magic zinc
Omg my dad used to do that all the time at football matches to avoid traffic
pearl stratus
If Dallas can figure out their tank situation they'll start winning a few games.
jovial jewel
his ego probably comes from the whole t500 shit
balmy wolf
Have you guys seen the xqc rap god video? Its awesome
edgy swallow
yeah but he's not even that high lul
pearl stratus
Mickie needs to go hang out with Effect.
jovial jewel
BUT TOP 500 
pearl stratus
For like two weeks.
And just play with Effect.
And let Effect coach him into being good.
edgy swallow
effect is the only good player on dallas
balmy wolf
Seagul
north tendon
effect deserves a better team
jovial jewel
seagull is alright
full lion
taimou is good
balmy wolf
Though
jovial jewel
taimou is REBORN
edgy swallow
seagull's decent
pearl stratus
Taimou is good, so is Seagull, their supports are solid too.
edgy swallow
effect deserves a better team
full lion
seagull eroded his skills playing all that junkrat
pearl stratus
But they have horrible tank pressure/comp.
balmy wolf
Effect deserves koreans
edgy swallow
yeah
pearl stratus
Mickie never stays in his mech.
balmy wolf
Effect deserves a spot on 
edgy swallow
the tanks for dallas aren't good at all
magic zinc
ooooh seeya s4
spring lintel
1 shotted
pearl stratus
NYXL has way better DPS than Effect.
full lion
nyxlk is korean enough as it is
pearl stratus
And they have flow3r signed.
balmy wolf
Or 
if they are particully saucy
full lion
yeah
edgy swallow
NYXL has the best DPS in the league
spring lintel
zen orb + damage boost = 200hp damage????????????????
pearl stratus
No Korean team would pick up Effect right now.
night notch
but when is MoonMoon gonna get recruited 
balmy wolf
**stylosa for **
full lion
moonmoon about to fall into diamond 
edgy swallow
effect is good but he isn't flower tier so no korean team will sign him now
pearl stratus
I'd like to see Effect go to Boston and replace DreamKasp3r.
spring lintel
other things are possible too
night notch
DIAMONDS ARE FOREVER
marsh pumice
ny very strong
balmy wolf
Do yoy have to be grandmaster to be considered a pro player?
pearl stratus
You have to do good in tournaments.
balmy wolf
Like can a plat person be pro
pearl stratus
That's really all they care about.
magic zinc
You have to be on a roster or active in the scene to be considered a pro player
jovial jewel
you'd have to be good in tourneys
stable birch
you probably gotta be t500 and do good in tournaments
spring lintel
@balmy wolf at the very least 4300+
marsh pumice
wow that was fast
balmy wolf
@jovial jewel jojo bizzare adventure, exemplary anime
magic zinc
There's a big disconnect still between GM and pro player
edgy swallow
you need to have played in a team basically
pearl stratus
SoloQ kind of means nothing.
rare tangle
stable birch
yeah lol
magic zinc
Damn that was quick
jovial jewel
part 4 is the best part
spring lintel
and not support
stable birch
the amount of bad players i see in gm is actually incredible
pearl stratus
Because SoloQ doesn't mean you'll mesh well into a team.
north tendon
I want to see NYXL VS Seoul already
edgy swallow
t500 + team experience in tourney
balmy wolf
So a goldie cant be pro?
jovial jewel
a good amount of 
edgy swallow
no way
marsh pumice
on the next match im going for San Fran to win not sure why Boston is all over the place let's see
full lion
who would want to watch golds paly overwatch
edgy swallow
gold is still considered trash comp levels by most pros
magic zinc
Wonder who they're going to sign? Thye obviously have the language barrier. Only players they can pick up really are from MY
stable birch
unless i missed it then rip
edgy swallow
you don't start seeing actual comp till like high dia
spring lintel
london will get stomped
magic zinc
And they might not even want to be on the team after being fucked over initially
Interview with Soe!!
Thats where she was!
edgy swallow
london will get rekt
night notch
are there more games today?
full lion
that kid was so sad
edgy swallow
london's team cohesion isn't as good as NYXL
balmy wolf
Still gonna root for though
spring lintel
nyxl is top team
stable birch
high diamond isnt very good comp lol
west sleet
4-0 new york
edgy swallow
and NYXL's supports are better
west sleet
that was dope
jovial jewel
@stable birch seoul vs. london is february 1st
spring lintel
london is garbage in owl
edgy swallow
im not saying it's good comp i'm just saying its where comp kinda starts
balmy wolf
Cant wait for 
vs
west sleet
gladiators got destroyed
jovial jewel
the 3rd and final game
stable birch
idk maybe i guess
night notch
fuck bostoooon woooo
pearl stratus
NYXL has probably the best support comp in the league with the current meta.
full lion
BAAAM back at it with the strong words
edgy swallow
everything before that isn't anything serious
west sleet
dyansty is gonna win 100% lets be real
full lion
yup
pearl stratus
I could see NYXL beating Dynasty.
stable birch
i mean i havent played there in awhile, only thing i remember about high diamond is one tricks that suck and people being really toxic to dps players
spring lintel
Seoul is kinda shaky in owl
balmy wolf
But baaaam they won every game they have been in so far
west sleet
so was gladiators vs new york the last match for today?
full lion
seoul has been dunking on people
spring lintel
most owl teams are garbage
edgy swallow
if seoul tightens up on their team comms and stuff i'd see them winning
stable birch
seoul is doing worse than usual rn because the main reason they're insanely good is their tank and support play, but atm the game doesnt reward good tank or support play as much as it used to
west sleet
i love how most ppl were saying florida is the worst team but they are like 6th place
pearl stratus
Like they played a half bench team against Florida.
west sleet
lol
edgy swallow
yeah they're mixing things up
jovial jewel
FEBRUARY 7TH 
VS. 
stable birch
cause tanks get melted if they try to make a play and the only support you can play atm is zenmercy
spring lintel
thats why nyxl will win
balmy wolf
@jovial jewel dallas will get rekt
night notch
how do they fix the stale support meta?
edgy swallow
if ana becomes meta again seoul will become a lot stronger
balmy wolf
Shangai has been super strong so far
jovial jewel
inb4 dallas gets destroyed
pearl stratus
I think if Seoul keeps Miro benched (as sad as that is) they'll do better.
jovial jewel
inb4 SHD 4-0's fuel
spring lintel
top 2 teams rn are nyxl and seoul. i would say nyxl are more conistent
stable birch
they have to either give ana some form of mobility but make it not op, or nerf mercy mobility or just completely replace rez with something else
balmy wolf
I wonder how hero 27 will affect OWL
edgy swallow
mmm
spring lintel
now wer are gonna see clash of the worse 2 teams in owl
edgy swallow
buff her cooldowns
west sleet
will hero 27 be released during owl tho?
jovial jewel
jeff said hero 27 was "essential", so it's gotta be an offtank
spring lintel
should be a funny match up
stable birch
idk, if they buffed ana cooldowns she'd be op
antiheal is insane and so is sleep dart
edgy swallow
new dps PogChamp
jovial jewel
yeah 27 should be releaced in march
night notch
@stable birch i feel like mercy has kind of always been a problem and i'm so sick of her dominating the meta
night notch
like since launch she has
stable birch
rez is just too overpowered or too underpowered
pearl stratus
Because they refuse to just remove Mercys ress.
edgy swallow
buffing cooldowns would help
stable birch
no way to balance it
pearl stratus
Which is what they need to do.
jovial jewel
valk makes OWL boring as fuck sometimes
edgy swallow
but knowing blizzard they'd buff it too much
and then have to hyper nerf her to shit
pearl stratus
Ress is a good thought.
stable birch
they're nerfing everything about mercy except the problem
west sleet
OOOF
pearl stratus
But its too hard to balance.
spring lintel
next week insane
west sleet
DYNASTY VS NEW YORK SOON
night notch
both teams pop it at the same time and then the teams just glare at each other with nobody staying dead until its over
pearl stratus
Just get rid of it and give her a new E.
night notch
what could they replace it with tho?
west sleet
thats gonna be a good game
stable birch
like literally, even after the mercy nerf, ana will never see play
balmy wolf
They already nerfed valk so that her rez is slow
north tendon
its great he tried
edgy swallow
NYXL are focussing on seoul NICE
night notch
rez is still just too strong
pearl stratus
Give her a staff slam thats a big ol' AoE heal.
north tendon
applause
night notch
as a concept
edgy swallow
i want to see that match so bad
jovial jewel
mercy would be like having a pick six in football being completely revoked
it's just unfun to watch
stable birch
because the meta will likely be either zen lucio, or lucio moira, and even if theres a map that ana would be better than lucio zen or lucio moira, mercy would be better than ana in that scenario still
unfortunately
rare tangle
if a teams getting its ass kicked mercy popping ult and becoming a flying health pack won't stop them from getting owned
pearl stratus
Post Mercy Nerfs the meta is going to be...
pearl stratus
Mercy Zenyatta.
full lion
YES
"
stable birch
nah i think post mercy it'll be lucio zen
pearl stratus
Lucio is too niche.
night notch
ana steals widow's grappling hook
pearl stratus
he's not actually good enough except for a few maps.
edgy swallow
im lov ana ;w;
stable birch
yeah and they nerfed his movement
they made it easier to use but they made the skill ceiling lower
spring lintel
moira has insane solo healing. the problem is with resources
pearl stratus
Moira won't become meta until 3-4 tank becomes more meta.
stable birch
so overall its a nerf
night notch
lucio has been my most played hero since day 1 but then again i barely play comp sooo
full lion
i want moira and ana to fill the vacuum left by mercy
pearl stratus
She's insane with multiple big targets to heal.
But you can still run Dive even with a nerfed Mercy.
stable birch
i really want ana back in meta
pearl stratus
So I don't see it happening.
spring lintel
even healing 1 person is insane
stable birch
shes such an intersting and skilled hero to watch and to play
rip
too bad they'll never fix supports
spring lintel
the problem is resources
edgy swallow
ana is the best healer imo for skill play
pearl stratus
My idea for Ana was more of a joke.
edgy swallow
sad that she wont be brought back ever
pearl stratus
But I liked it.
full lion
its an insult to ana that mercy exists in the same game
pearl stratus
They should give her a little self nanaboost for an ability.
That gives her some mobility.
spring lintel
if u can fix resources problem for moira? she is gonna be insane good.,
night notch
also fuckin rip i bought a league skin for lucio and now i'm just gonna have to get his sexy shirtless skin instead
jovial jewel
pearl stratus
Like just sips some Nanoboost from her teacup.
stable birch
moira is already pretty good
pearl stratus
And gets a self move speed buff.
jovial jewel
bruh SHIRTLESS LUCIO
edgy swallow
moira's already low-key OP with piercing orbs without a DVA
stable birch
i think shes pretty balanced atm
pearl stratus
Moira doesn't need her resource stuff, she's amazing.
jovial jewel
might actually start playing support again
pearl stratus
You don't get the value out of her heal on 1 target.
spring lintel
that set up shot is fucking insane by libero
pearl stratus
You get 2-3 targets and her ult charge is insane.
jovial jewel
NIPPLEWATCH
night notch
EXCEPT HIS NIPPLES ARE ACTUALLY HIDDEN
spring lintel
she heals more than mercy
pearl stratus
There's a reason people have been getting ult on her in like 30-40 seconds.
night notch
THE COWARDS
jovial jewel
#freethenip
night notch
his abs are also weirdly undefined like they're made out of putty
spring lintel
i know she is better with multiple targets to heal
stable birch
i think moira is pretty much perfect atm
night notch
i kinda hope they do an update of the skin like they did with hanzo, add some ab definition and free his nips
jovial jewel
i dunno it would be awkward if lucio had stronk abs
stable birch
they just need to nerf mercy
night notch
then theskin is perfect
jovial jewel
even though he's supposed to be loveable
night notch
not like, JACKED
full lion
give ana rocket launcher
night notch
skinnyboi muscles
pearl stratus
Even if they increase her base movement speed by a little bit it'd probably be hugely noticeable.
full lion
what if she could grapple like widow tho
stable birch
yeah
pearl stratus
Too op.
stable birch
that'd be op
pearl stratus
Look how annoying Widow is to kill right now.
Imagine Ryujehong on Ana with a widow grapple.
night notch
what if ana had a delayed, direct upward grapple, like what attackers have in rainbow 6?
stable birch
LOL FR
night notch
takes her a second to get it going, and can only scale the wall she's staring at
stable birch
HE JUST HOOKS UP SOMEWHERE AND SLEEPS A PHARAH OR SOME SHIT LOL
stable birch
im talking about jehong
jovial jewel
OH
stable birch
he as in jehong
jovial jewel
:phew:
full lion
and they would be glorious
pearl stratus
If you want to do anything give her a little self sip of nanoboost.
Gives her a little damage reduction and movespeed increase.
stable birch
yeah actually
jovial jewel
why can't ana just self nano?
stable birch
well idk
jovial jewel
physically she could just do that
pearl stratus
Make it last like 2-3 seconds.
full lion
super sayan ana
stable birch
idk
jovial jewel
night notch
i'm kinda miffed they never changed the ults for the supports in FFA deathmatch. i know that's SUPER low on their priorities but it'd be nice if ana/lucio/zen could do something useful with their ults alone
spring lintel
jjonak WTF??????????????????
full lion
tenkei email your idea to blizzard
spring lintel
that is crazy
stable birch
maybe
jovial jewel
zarya ult in FFA
spring lintel
2% vs 21%?????????????
stable birch
idk its like
full lion
it never occurred to me that ana basically doesnt have an ult in ffa
stable birch
making a lore-friendly but still balanced ana is really difficult
pearl stratus
But Jjonak makes him look bad on Zen.
full lion
rez isnt in the lore
stable birch
jehong isnt known for his zen to be fair
night notch
yeah she literally cant do anything
jovial jewel
lore friendly?
pearl stratus
Yeah he's not.
jovial jewel
WE DON'T EVEN KNOW IF ZEN USES METAL BALLS AS HIS CANON WEAPON
pearl stratus
Poor jehong doesn't have his meta.
night notch
yeah a lot of the abilities aren't lore friendly
stable birch
and even his ana isnt enough to compete with mercy LOL
night notch
reaper doesn't actually eat peoples souls
full lion
mercy isnt a necromancer in the lore
pearl stratus
Or is she.
jovial jewel
pearl stratus
I like this announcer so much more.
night notch
god i'm having flashbacks of sarcastically asking this stuff in the lore channel and getting three chapters of lore angrily shouted at me
pearl stratus
The other one is such a moron.
full lion
then why didnt she bring widows husband back to life 
stable birch
ana should have double jump like genji :^))
spring lintel
Trash match up not even worth watching
stable birch
joke
night notch
double jump without the wall climb would be okay couldn't it?
full lion
give ana anything to make her more viable
stable birch
no
spring lintel
We need an agility healer
pearl stratus
I think a little change to her mobility is all she needs.
stable birch
ana would be mega broken
spring lintel
Like mobile like genji healer
pearl stratus
I actually think her numbers are tuned super well.
stable birch
we have an agility healer, its lucio
stable birch
yeah lol
pearl stratus
We need a Winston Clone.
spring lintel
I mean mechanically mobile hero
stable birch
mercy has literally the best support mobility skill on a 1s cooldown
pearl stratus
But his gun heals.
rustic perch
how did gladiators vs nyxl end btw?
jovial jewel
3-1 i think?
full lion
exactly as you think it did
spring lintel
4-0
pearl stratus
Gladiators did their best.
night notch
high healing output, reverses kills, amazing mobility. i seriously have always fucking hated mercy
jovial jewel
was it 4-0?
full lion
4-0verwatch strikes again
pearl stratus
I still wanted LAV to win.
spring lintel
Nyxl stomped their ass
night notch
she ruins the game for me
jovial jewel
dang man RIPE
pearl stratus
It was so close.
stable birch
yo i played a PUG game the other night
and one of the rules was that they banned mercy and junkrat
pearl stratus
Glad never did the smart thing that Valiant did.
night notch
junkrat is my waifu but that actually sounds amazing
pearl stratus
Valiant made sure to be hyper aggressive onto the DPS carry.
full lion
@stable birch sounds dank
pearl stratus
Glad did not.
jovial jewel
problem is blizzard wont retire certain heroes for like another few years
rare tangle
honestly without mercy every team fight would result in the match suddenly getting a lot slower afterwards and the announcers being forced to talk about their hobbies
jovial jewel
so unless mercy becomes unplayable in the next few years, were gonna have to wait a bit longer
spring lintel
Without mercy, Korean teams would mechanically destroy most teams with ease.
stable birch
effect should've joined seoul
night notch
without mercy picks in teamfights would actually matter
stable birch
cause seouls weakest player is their tracer
pearl stratus
Effect would be benched on Seoul.
stable birch
imagine if effect was on tracer instead
pearl stratus
Bunny or Munchkin?
spring lintel
These ults give shitty teams an opportunity to play against big teama
rare tangle
people keep trying to act like overwatch should be balanced like any other FPS
jovial jewel
the problem is rez and valk are crutches for teams
full lion
its not like korea doesnt use valk to come back from dangerous situations
stable birch
the main issue with mercy
spring lintel
They need a good tracer imo
rare tangle
i can see even the best teams imploding without Valkyrie and rez
pearl stratus
Mercy gives you a two person reset.
jovial jewel
so why not just use the things that give you a clear advantage
pearl stratus
I think the team fights will be a lot more interesting without the double resses.
stable birch
the issue with mercy is that she has the most output for any support, while also having the least input
its completely unbalanced
rare tangle
but it'll be a lot more predictable after the first lost team fight
jovial jewel
its one of the reasons why im so worried for OWL because eventually we're going to be seeing the same 2-2-2 tracer/mccree/genji comps
stable birch
i wanna just see more ana play from jehong
full lion
good
pearl stratus
Eh, the ress impacts Widow too though.
She's an easy pick right now because she's a super easy ress if she gets killed.
rare tangle
there's always gonna be a healer that's better than the rest
that's just the way of life
pearl stratus
So she's impacted by the ress changes just as much if not more.
stable birch
yeah but mercy is an easy fix
slim summit
That's just what metagaming is
jovial jewel
unless blizz daddies up and decides to change the meta, OWL is gonna get boring after season 1
slim summit
And it's always been like that
pearl stratus
Oh see I think Season 2 will be better than Season 2.
slim summit
This meta has had more diversity than other tournaments
pearl stratus
Er 1.
stable birch
mercy is now balanced
full lion
owl is already boring much of the time
stable birch
yeah lol
jovial jewel
its true
slim summit
London just ran Torbjörn Reaper Widow
pearl stratus
Because post Season 1 the teams will actually be used to each other and cohesive.
jovial jewel
the blowouts in OWL are really boring
rare tangle
then mercy just becomes the healer whose schtick is she heals people and her unique thing is she heals people
pearl stratus
So we'll get to see more fights like London vs. Lav.
stable birch
ye
rare tangle
isn't it cool how we have a healer who heals people
jovial jewel
idk i'd hope the new hero is somekind of cc offtank
pearl stratus
Blowouts are mostly just growing pains.
full lion
all the mercy mains can learn to play aomething else
rare tangle
isn't it so fucking goddamn unique how we have a healer who heals
slim summit
CC off tank with huge self heals and 20 meter range
jovial jewel
🤔
pearl stratus
If you didn't think there were going to be blowouts right off the bat when some people bought entire preformed teams, I dunno what to tell you.
stable birch
remove rez and replace with a skill that will cleanse debuffs and do an instant 150 heal or something
similar to zarya bubble idk
jovial jewel
but the blowouts are just so damn frequent
full lion
blizzard can put their brains and millions of dollars together to think of a new kit for mercy
pearl stratus
This isn't moneyball, the people who bought teams bought wins to start.
jovial jewel
ill chalk it up to 1st season
slim summit
It has nothing to do with the 1st season
pearl stratus
The most important thing for a team in Overwatch isn't skill.
stable birch
blizzard is going about making an esport the wrong way
slim summit
Skill gap between teams is just too high
pearl stratus
It's communication and teamwork.
There's not a huge skill gap, with the exception of Shanghai.
slim summit
Top 4 teams dominate the rest by a large margin
jovial jewel
that's why fuel is TERRIBLE
stable birch
they put all of their time an resources into trying to force the game to become an esport instead of making a game thats actually good to become an esport
pearl stratus
You mean the teams that are all two years old?
stable birch
such a feelsbad
slim summit
Anyone outside of like 2 ranks is a stomp
rare tangle
what if they just made mercy into a murderous offensive tank healer
full lion
exactly top
rare tangle
is that better?
full lion
probably
pearl stratus
Every Korean team is two years old basically.
The other teams are two months.
What the hell did you think was gonna happen.
stable birch
^
slim summit
Also they're Korean and Koreans always win
full lion
then why have all korean teams be allowed
pearl stratus
Even the Koreans admit they're not better than anyone.
They just have better teamwork.
full lion
its boring
jovial jewel
stable birch
koreans come from a different culture with different work ethic and a different outlook on playing games as a career
pearl stratus
It's a bunch of couch heroes that are like "ALL WESTERN PLAYERRS ARE GARBAGE."
stable birch
they live a different lifestyle than NA players
pearl stratus
Koreans are like "No, that guys dangerous. He just doesn't have a team backing him up yet."
full lion
well for owl's sake the rest better catch up because i'd bet most people will get tired of koreawatch real quick
pearl stratus
I mean the LAV / London game alone cemented that Korean teams are beatable.
Yeah. Ryuhejong -really- likes Houston.
pearl stratus
he doesn't joke.
stable birch
or just full meme
pearl stratus
He actually plays on that level.
full lion
yet twitch chat spams J K E
pearl stratus
And I think he knows when he can see people who can play that well.
stable birch
plats in twitch chat tryin to say jake is actually bad
oof
he isnt bad, his mechanics just arent at the level of most owl players
full lion
they arent even plats
stable birch
his actual understanding of the game is on a diff level tho
slim summit
Jake was US best hope in World Cup
pearl stratus
If Jake keeps improving on the level he's been improving on.
He's going to end up a top 3DPS.
stable birch
like jake thinks about the game in a totally different way than these plats lol
yeah
his main weakness is his mechanics
pearl stratus
Like we saw it against Dallas.
stable birch
once he imrpoves those he'll be a god
compact lily
Jakerat
pearl stratus
Really really good.
compact lily
when in doubt go junkrat
pearl stratus
And lets talk about Rawkus.
Having a support that can flex to DPS like that?
That's huge.
Because Junk takes a really easy hero, and plays him really really well.
So they attribute it to the hero.
Like morons.
Jake gets so many direct hits on Junk its not even funny.
He understands trajectory in a scary way.
stable birch
thing is about junk, his skill floor is absurdly low, but his skill ceiling is infinite
pearl stratus
Jake also uses walls to bounce grenades better than any other Junk.
stable birch
but its most likely impossible to hit that skill ceiling, but a god junk player would be a real threat
but regardless, his skill floor needs to be raised
lol
pearl stratus
Because people can't counter Junk, so they REEEEEEEEEEE so autistically hard they actually make vaccines cause autism.
And Jake is like the posterboy for Junk.
Profit has the best tires in OWL.
Jakes are the most successful.
Jake tires always find a support.
full lion
but people would rather see a widow headshot both supports than jake roll up and explode them
pearl stratus
Which is the biggest thing between Pro Junk and Comp Junk.
Tire is a support killer, not a PoTG maker.
Also, not to be so pro Jake its not even funny.
But that dudes concussion accuracy is inhuman.
full lion
twitch chat is just sstupid
pearl stratus
You also have to remember Twitch chat is where you get like..
xQc followers.
So its not exactly a place of intelligence.
More a place of "Oh jesus use condoms."
full lion
yup lol
marsh pumice
true
jovial jewel
twitch chat are a bunch of big brained individuals /s
jaunty tendon
Houston smashed Dallas lmao
pearl stratus
Dallas is going to be so much better with him benched for the rest of the Stage.
jovial jewel
xQc honestly didn't contribute much to fuel
pearl stratus
I can't wait till they don't renew his contract.
jovial jewel
if anything, he brought it down
marsh pumice
i don't even look at twitch chat, ive the match maximized on the 2nd screen and discord on the main
stable birch
xqc followers are pretty retarded, but i feel like xqc gets too much flak
pearl stratus
And the idiot ruins his entire career in one stage of OW.
stable birch
like hes an idiot, but he genuinely cares for the game and tries to improve
jaunty tendon
I feel like there were more Fuel fans on opening night
brittle belfry
four games =/= his entire career
marsh pumice
@pearl stratus this is the 3rd time he gets suspended
pearl stratus
xQc is just a stupid kid who has a mouth that works at 50mph faster than his brain.
pearl stratus
And he cannot fix it.
jovial jewel
if he had a filter, he wouldn't be so hated
brittle belfry
he's not even a bad player
full lion
i feel bad for xqc tho. he doesn't seem like a terrible person. he just needs to learn to not do dumb shit
marsh pumice
22 years old behaving like a 12
pearl stratus
@brittle belfry 6 games, Fuel suspended him the entire rest of the Stage.
jovial jewel
just be the goofy, overexcited player
stable birch
doesnt xqc have some mental issue or something?
jovial jewel
i think that's just how he acts
brittle belfry
he just happened to talk shit on stream, realized what he did right away, and he got dicked for it
pearl stratus
It's getting super obvious the Fuel don't want him.
stable birch
like i dont hate him, i find him to be a pretty good person morally, but he acts like a complete idiot sometimes
jovial jewel
he just doesn't have a filter whatsoever
stable birch
its kinda sad
marsh pumice
can we stop talking about that trashy dude, please?!?
full lion
and he has a constant hate squad on him
pearl stratus
Unfortunately when you're a salaried player you have to.
stable birch
yeah
pearl stratus
Because otherwise you're a 60k a year waste of money.
jovial jewel
mfw i look away for 1 minute and uprising is already past 1st point
pearl stratus
And you just replace him with someone who isn't.
wet vault
WTF
stable birch
i think he needs to get some kind of mental help
pearl stratus
He probably does.
stable birch
and then he can come back to ow and focus on improving and trying to fix his image
full lion
where was reddit when he got stream sniped for like 6 hours straight. people dont get angry at the right things
brittle belfry
he doesn't need mental help lol
marsh pumice
@pearl stratus so many good kids out there wanting an opurtunity like this..
brittle belfry
he just needs to know when to keep his mouth shut
stable birch
cause hes a good player and legitamately cares for the game but theres obv something wrong with him atm
jovial jewel
he just needs to learn restraint
pearl stratus
If I was the Fuel I'd replace him with a more flexible tank.
brittle belfry
ive been watching his stream and he's doing a better job catching himself and doing different things
pearl stratus
His aggressive winston play isn't super useful.
brittle belfry
he's just not all the way there yet
marsh pumice
he doesn't learn, 3rd time how can you keep getting suspended?!? cause your are a brainless piece of crap
stable birch
i think he just needs to go on a break from overwatch completely and get some help or try to relax
lol
pearl stratus
I actually think Stream suspensions from Dallas would be smart.
But I don't think they can.
brittle belfry
your are
jovial jewel
be like pokelawls and just play VRCHAT
jovial jewel
tbh VRChat is pretty damn relaxing
pearl stratus
The problem is.
full lion
i dont blame him for getting banned for reporting onetricks tho lol
pearl stratus
He'd still be getting his salary.
stable birch
yeah same
brittle belfry
except when people have seizures in vr lul
nobody can stop him from streaming unless he breaks twitch rules
which he hasnt
full lion
whuy
marsh pumice
he did with his comments but twitch is...
pearl stratus
Like when you get the owner of Twitch to tweet about you being a peice of shit?
brittle belfry
jeff bezos
pearl stratus
You dun goofed.
azure harbor
You dosen't know what his contract says
stable birch
xqc needs to learn how to hold himself back
azure harbor
maybe they can ban him from steaming
marsh pumice
back at home without net
full lion
are there not worse people than xqc on twitch
marsh pumice
there are similar people to him yeh
full lion
like tyler1
brittle belfry
no they can't stop him from streaming
stable birch
nah i think xqc is different than the majority of trashy and scummy streamers
azure harbor
3 years?
stable birch
hes just far too emotional
pearl stratus
Shock is 90% Babybay.
stable birch
and immature
pearl stratus
that's their problem.
marsh pumice
omg boston is kickin arse
pearl stratus
If you can shut down Babybay you shut down the Shock.
jovial jewel
babybay has to break his back to carry shock
pearl stratus
Also Boston is a really talented team overall.
azure harbor
Boston has CS major, they should play good
stable birch
effect and taimou playing out of his mind and the rest of fuel still cant hold up
omegalul
pearl stratus
Boston is one of the teams I think will grow into something good.
full lion
isnt danteh like rank 1
stable birch
i feel like being able to play tracer and not be super aggressive is a good thing tbh
pearl stratus
Striker is pretty solid, Kazper isn't bad but he needs to work on his survival.
Kellex is a really strong support.
And I really like Gamsu.
He's a really strong tank.
stable birch
cause the worst thing you can do as tracer is die early so playing a bit safer at the cost of a little bit of damage is a good trade off
brittle belfry
idk I think xqc is a good player, but he is just so used to soloQ
pearl stratus
I don't think xQc is bad.
stable birch
same
pearl stratus
I think he's bad for the team.
full lion
i want him to actually reform so much
stable birch
yeah same
full lion
so people can shit the fuck up about him
brittle belfry
i remember fuel v dynasty they didn't have a target caller or something so he was separated from the rest of the team
azure harbor
jovial jewel
BABYBAY ONCE AGAIN BREAKS HIS SPINE
stable birch
if he worked on focusing on the game instead of getting super emotional about how bad of a state its in, he'd imrpove so much lol
pearl stratus
xQc and Mickie are probably Dallas' biggest issues.
silent crest
LETS GO SF
pearl stratus
And I think Mickie is amazing.
stable birch
its because xqc and mickie have a lack of coordination
full lion
and the owner of twitch can move on to question the ethics of titty streamers
marsh pumice
mickie is amazing
azure harbor
Dallas issue - they are not a team
stable birch
yeah watching xqc and mickie
stable birch
its like watching two qp tanks
jovial jewel
xQc is a qp tank
marsh pumice
mickie can play more the dva
pearl stratus
I'd like to see Mickie get more time on other things, because his personality is huge for success.
Teams need that kind of positivity.
full lion
yewah
stable birch
yeah
pearl stratus
But when he gets one-tricked into D'va it limits who Taimou can play, and if you can play Seagull.
stable birch
i wanna see them get a tank player that actually synergizes with mickie
pearl stratus
Dallas has been basically playing one dps.
marsh pumice
@pearl stratus yes thats 100% accurate
stable birch
yeah i dont get why people hate jake so much
stable birch
hes skilled and really smart, has a good personality
full lion
its a twitch chat meme
stable birch
just not as mechanically skilled
makes me pretty sad that people can be so rude to him
stable birch
tru
pearl stratus
The one thing I think not enough people realize is that..
stable birch
lol
pearl stratus
The Korean teams are already kind of at their skill cap.
A lot of the western teams aren't.
So you see them learning and adapting.
Hell you even see Shanghai doing it.
full lion
but what if fleta, flower, and jehong get so good they can see 3 seconds into the future
pearl stratus
The Shanghai Florida game wasn't the steamroll I expected.
stable birch
i wouldnt doubt jehong tbh LOL
azure harbor
maybe in the next season, this one belongs to full korean teams
stable birch
you know jehong can see into the future if he actually changes his dpi when he does sleep darts
pearl stratus
Shanghai Dragons yesterday looked completely different.
jovial jewel
it's like baybay has an entire team pocketing him
pearl stratus
It was really nice to see them change that much in a week.
marsh pumice
wow
full lion
the kroeans will develop superopwers in response
stable birch
yeah man fr
pearl stratus
And Shanghai is picking up like..
stable birch
cause he uses a super low sensitivity for his regular one, so its hard to flick to fast moving people around his screen
pearl stratus
Literally a dpi macro.
stable birch
but if he has to sleep someone, he changes it so he can flick fast
pearl stratus
I know it is.
stable birch
hes just so insane dude
full lion
wow maybe i should try that when i play ana
stable birch
jehong is just on a completely different level of play
pearl stratus
Jehongs real threat is that even when he gets "too old"
stable birch
i mean its muscle memory
stable birch
if you got used to it, it should feel natural
sinful heron
2 stats I'd be SUPER interested in, is how many pixels (or other surface area) the headshot actually is on the screen, and how far away from landing the shot someone is when they miss.
full lion
yeah lol
stable birch
i dont think anyone else does that type of stuff
pearl stratus
It's like learning flicks.
stable birch
its only cause hes used to a slow sens cause his old esports experience
pearl stratus
And arm aiming in general.
stable birch
so he had to learn a 2nd one for sleeps
pearl stratus
It's kind of obscure unless you need to do it.
Like Jake in one of his interviews was like.
"I started overwatch on a partitioned Macbook Air, while I was doing a semester abroad."
Like shit.
If you can make top 500 on a partitioned macbook
I'll give you credit.
stable birch
its cause he doesnt rely on mechanics
pearl stratus
24 fps max and still killing folks. Good on you.
stable birch
hes just smart asf
balmy wolf
🌲 👏
full lion
i wish i was smart
pearl stratus
I'm relatively game smart.
jovial jewel
its ok you can be smart
pearl stratus
But I'm too old for all the aiming and stuff 😛
stable birch
like fr dude jake has probably seen every episode of rick and morty twice
pearl stratus
I just kind of understand what people will do a lot.
But you won't see me ever counter widowing.
I know I'm trash on that regard 😛
stable birch
im 15 but i got like really good mechanics lol, my actual understanding is okay but ingame i think i tunnelvision too much and lose track of my thoughts
oof
azure harbor
red boys
pearl stratus
It's the only way Shock can wein.
marsh pumice
awesome match 2 good teams
silent crest
stable birch
if hes the carry then thats a good thing
sinful heron
lol.
marsh pumice
sanfran going to win it probably but wont be easy
silent crest
Babybay is the captain
full lion
stable birch
does dafran have a discord??
stable birch
thanks
pearl stratus
Danteh is okay but not a play maker.
jovial jewel
babybay is 20-2
stable birch
i need coaching on my decision making with genji and tracer, but my mechanics are pretty solid
oof
silent crest
i dont think danteh is as much of a playmaker as babybay
pearl stratus
Everyone else looks 12.
stable birch
Lul