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nova wadi
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the more i know

rustic perch
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i'm even better

balmy wolf
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so I guess that's why my link got past the filter

simple agate
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i can't wait till flow3r plays

balmy wolf
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BRBRBR HUEHUE

nova wadi
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i just want aKm in the league :(

full lion
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LAG is team long nam

edgy swallow
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69 names

rustic perch
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you wanna know what's also long

nova wadi
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need more aKm vs Fl0w3r

balmy wolf
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otherwise it wouldn't be there

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Brazilian names tend to be long

magic zinc
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Omg did you guys see AKM pop into Tobi's stream?

elder skiff
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@magic zinc L.A. because Remix looks like Lucio

magic zinc
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It was really cute tbh

rustic perch
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the time we need to wait for the next match

balmy wolf
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Its a reminescent of Portugal

nova wadi
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i saw that eagle!

magic zinc
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"AKM!! I love you, I want you in OWL!"

scarlet spear
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pine starting and not only control 😮

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finally

simple agate
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Pine is starting 😮

spring lintel
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Pine widow

north tendon
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OH SHIT

balmy wolf
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Shiiiiiiiiiiiiiit

spring lintel
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Les goooo

north tendon
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PINE FROM THE BEGINNING

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YES

edgy swallow
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pine poggers

scarlet spear
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F to LAG

elder skiff
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PINE

magic zinc
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@elder skiff Can't go wrong with that, solid logic

rustic perch
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no sbb monkaS

edgy swallow
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press F to win OWL

green gate
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I feel like pine will get mvp for stage 1

magic zinc
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JJonak <3

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But no SBBae </3

rustic perch
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there goes the drugs

full lion
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meko is juicin

magic zinc
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I hope to one day have as cool messy hair as Janus

green gate
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LOL he missed the girl! haha

nova wadi
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still need a clip of that though

spring lintel
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Libero is projectile

nova wadi
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you think its on twitch eagle?

idle beacon
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why is that moron always usin eye drops?

magic zinc
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Nah I only saw screenshots from chat

elder skiff
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But they look like a K-pop band I just

nova wadi
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aw rip

edgy swallow
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jjonak is a god

magic zinc
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Tobi is so wholesome

spring lintel
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This is the ultimate roster for me. Except flower instead of libero

magic zinc
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More pics in the tweet

edgy swallow
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tobi is so wholesome

nova wadi
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aw thats cute

magic zinc
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Tobi also casually just murders Munchkin lmao

balmy wolf
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Pine is pretty good

green gate
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they have 3 players with the last name being KIM lol

rustic perch
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monte and doa ❤

magic zinc
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"Trade Munchkin" for a free agent rip

edgy swallow
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monte and doa are best casters imo

full lion
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half of korea has the last name kim

rustic perch
magic zinc
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is the person who has the Jeff mask here?

north tendon
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BIG BOSS PINE

full lion
simple agate
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Lets gooo pine

magic zinc
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Doomfist? oooh

green gate
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Pine needs to pop some heads

balmy wolf
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🌲 👏

magic zinc
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no Doomfist :(

full lion
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🌲 aclap

nova wadi
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cant find tobi on twitch rips

balmy wolf
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(not sure if this is a good representation)

magic zinc
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Interesting to even pick Pharah into Pine's Widow

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You know its there

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oh never mind

simple agate
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shit

balmy wolf
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Lmao

full lion
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HYDRATION

balmy wolf
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straight for pine

azure harbor
magic zinc
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oof

north tendon
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ha

balmy wolf
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ouch

simple agate
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filthy

north tendon
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dont fuck with pine

full lion
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rip

spring lintel
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replay plz

magic zinc
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Switch to Genji

full lion
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surefore play widow

north tendon
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WOAH

balmy wolf
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bye goose

nova wadi
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dink

balmy wolf
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AND SUREFOUR

magic zinc
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They missed Pine take out both Mercy and Tracer

green gate
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Ez Clap

balmy wolf
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THen libero blows 2 more

green gate
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Nah surefour knows that pine is the best at widow

pearl stratus
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This is why I think NYXL will give Seoul more issues than London.

full lion
pearl stratus
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NYXL is really strong.

north tendon
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valiant went neck to neck with spitfire

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missed it tho

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weird

full lion
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im torn i like nyxl but i want lag to win

civic marsh
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ripfour

magic zinc
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Oh jesus

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Tbh like

simple agate
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holy shit

magic zinc
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Why did he peek?

north tendon
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monster

magic zinc
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He had a pocket, a bodyshot kills Tracer

nova wadi
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LUL

balmy wolf
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pine not disappointing today SeemsGood

magic zinc
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Tracer is there to pressure Pine tbh

full lion
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i love how op widow is in pro games

rustic perch
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but pine pressures tracer LUL

magic zinc
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Oof sick pic on Mercy

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pick*

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I can't type help

scarlet spear
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nasty

north tendon
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4 VS PINE

balmy wolf
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jesus

simple agate
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beautiful

balmy wolf
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florida mayhem vs shanghai was fairer

spring lintel
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Pine’s existence gives so much pressure

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He doesn’t need to even pop off

north tendon
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pine makes it 8 v 6

full lion
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🔫 moon2SMUG

north tendon
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no rez needed

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lmao

edgy swallow
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they really shoul dhave gone around the long flank and dived pine

rare tangle
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widowmaker is op in pro games but on console and regular pc widowmaker is reportable trash pick

civic marsh
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doomfist pogchimp

edgy swallow
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surefour widow lmao

full lion
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surefore is pretty good at widow

edgy swallow
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if pine switches to counter him he'll lose

nova wadi
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havent seen pine on tracer

spring lintel
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Pine tracer plz be good

magic zinc
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Didnt know he played her?

spring lintel
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No one knows

nova wadi
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mhm

magic zinc
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Yikes thats it

full lion
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the title of the fact cards shoul've been "the doom that came to dorado"

simple agate
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gg

balmy wolf
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gg

north tendon
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and now they sub pine

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pls dont

edgy swallow
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pls dont

spring lintel
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Nyxl is the best team in OWL hands down

edgy swallow
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no way

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seoul dynasty

magic zinc
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Doesn't look like they're subbing

balmy wolf
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feels good to be a new yorker

simple agate
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They're definitely gonna have him for control tho

scarlet spear
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NYXL is definitely my fav so far

full lion
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im a new yorker

scarlet spear
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their whole team is just so likeablle

edgy swallow
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i wish we could see a seoul dynasty v nyxl outside of finals

full lion
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i dont feel good FeelsBadMan

spring lintel
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Nyxl best team and would fuck seoul ez

quartz dome
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mightve been the quickest game ive seen yet

north tendon
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they deserve the stomp just for that stupid dance

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haha

edgy swallow
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ryujehong though

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im love

magic zinc
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I'm a Dutchie I dont even have a player in the entire OWL to cheer for ;(

spring lintel
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Koreans spam LOL

green gate
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Its an absolute stomp

edgy swallow
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what a good boy

spring lintel
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Korean copy pasta LOL

rustic perch
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germans dont have one either

full lion
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isnt iddqd dutch

rare tangle
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seoul would make NYXL beg for mercy

rustic perch
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iddqd is swedish

balmy wolf
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lol no

full lion
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rip

balmy wolf
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dallas fuel had a fair match against seoul

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and dallas is garbo

magic zinc
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I thought there was 1 German?

spring lintel
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nyxl would destroy Seoul freaking easy.

green gate
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@magic zinc Why cheer for someone especially from your country? lol

magic zinc
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Oh doesnt look like it

rustic perch
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nope, no germans at all

edgy swallow
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fleta v pine on widowmaker would be pretty even

rare tangle
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people also said London would destroy NYXL

spring lintel
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Wait till flower comes, flower, pine, SBB

magic zinc
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Nah its not a big deal really its just like

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a small extra reason to cheer for a team

spring lintel
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London are garbo

edgy swallow
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i feel nyxl has the better tanks but seoul has better supports

rustic perch
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is flower in the NYXL roster but underaged?

full lion
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ya

spring lintel
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Yeah

magic zinc
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Yup

green gate
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I just cheer for anyone I like/ are beasts 😄

daring widget
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whats core

scarlet spear
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flower cant play till s2

edgy swallow
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once flow3r joins up i'll agree that NYXL will be the best

rustic perch
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oh, didnt know

spring lintel
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Jjonak would fuck both seoul supports

daring widget
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who needs flower when u got pine

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dab

full lion
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LET'S GO [INSERT WINNING TEAM HERE]

balmy wolf
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how old is flower?

daring widget
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whos winning

edgy swallow
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jjonak is the best zen

rustic perch
edgy swallow
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but jehong is best ana

spring lintel
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Flower genji and sbb tracer

daring widget
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whats score?!!

spring lintel
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Pine mccree and flower genji on illios

edgy swallow
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i feel tobi is a better mercy than ark

spring lintel
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No one cares about mercy

daring widget
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ty

edgy swallow
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mercy's the most OP healer in the game lmao

rustic perch
full lion
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but what are you gonna do when seoul beats nyxl anyway because seoul

daring widget
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was it a stomp

spring lintel
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Can someone translate the copypasta in twitch chat?

full lion
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yup

edgy swallow
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and zunba's one of the best DVAs in the world so

spring lintel
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Nyxl won’t lose to seoul

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Not in this meta

daring widget
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itll be a good match

full lion
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sure they will

rustic perch
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i know zunba mostly for his zarya, not for his dva

balmy wolf
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NYXL vs seoul is going to be the battle of the titans

edgy swallow
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mmmm that too

full lion
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korea always wins, even against korea

magic zinc
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He's good on D.va too tbh

edgy swallow
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i want to see a NYXL v seoul

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that'd be the best match of the OWL

scarlet spear
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@spring lintel its the mom bought me a new laptop twitch chat is making it lag and hot its burning my legs please stop copy pasta

rustic perch
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yea he's good on dva, sure, but there are better dvas out there

magic zinc
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His Zarya is a little more impactful because he's probably the best zarya

edgy swallow
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^

spring lintel
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LOL wtf

magic zinc
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SBB ❤

quartz dome
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bye pine 😦

north tendon
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NOOO I TOLD YOU

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WHY

edgy swallow
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in terms of DPS skill i'd agree saying NYXL is more stacked

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but tanks and support i'd go with seoul

magic zinc
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Moira Meatball NotLikeSoldier boooo Monte NotLikeSoldier

dusky tinsel
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MOIRA MEATBALL

spring lintel
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Until now it’s a clear stomp

vestal mortar
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nooooooo

nova wadi
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i like meat GWnanamiPepeEZ

magic zinc
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Slambulance

dusky tinsel
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SLAMBULANCE

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I LOVE IT

edgy swallow
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SLAMBULANCE

magic zinc
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I like that

rustic perch
north tendon
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meko can be a great hog

silent nacelle
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why's that channel like twitch chat atm?

rustic perch
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i should get the haHAA emote as well

full lion
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slambulance EZ aclap

north tendon
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and jjonak crazy zen and can play a mean ana

edgy swallow
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jehong is indisputably the world's best ana

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i'd say jjonak is the world's best zen

magic zinc
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I think Jjonak's Ana is better than Jehong's Zen

north tendon
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ark is a good support too tbh

edgy swallow
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i'd agree with that

vestal mortar
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😠

rustic perch
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jjonak is a good zen dps-wise but i feel like (if you just look at the zen-play overall) there are better zens

edgy swallow
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jehong's zen isn't world tier

magic zinc
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Tara dont hit me please </3

rustic perch
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hit him

edgy swallow
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he's just got fantastic mechanical skill which is why he can play zen without being a god

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it's hilarious how low jehong's sens is though

pearl stratus
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Nah Jjonak and Shaz are probably the best Zens in the world.

nova wadi
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2 ticks for free

magic zinc
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JJonak's is ever lower

full lion
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low sens = good aim

pearl stratus
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Ryu's is good, but not on the same level. But then Ryu has Ana too, etc.

magic zinc
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even*

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Well uhm

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why did they give up that point?

edgy swallow
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that was dumb

rustic perch
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because pine is gone LUL

pearl stratus
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They didn't give it up, they got played.

magic zinc
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Its okay they're close to Valk so they can hold from there

full lion
pearl stratus
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They ran a pick defense, and got no picks and got split up

nova wadi
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pro genji blade

edgy swallow
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nah they gave up a tick and a half without contestiong

magic zinc
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Haha Bischu

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they just let him be

rustic perch
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just because mercy dies the fight isnt completely lost

magic zinc
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It is on point B offense imo

full lion
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but it was

nova wadi
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away GLA skins look pretty good

rustic perch
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sure it was

magic zinc
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Oooh seeya Libero

balmy wolf
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excelsior did take the map

full lion
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s4

balmy wolf
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wait did they get rolled

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OW

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Jjonak'd

edgy swallow
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feels jjonak'd

full lion
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hydration needs to bring out the slamfist

pearl stratus
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Not on this point.

balmy wolf
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incomin'

pearl stratus
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Bad plan

jovial jewel
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ohhh shiit im baack

magic zinc
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This point is super open, hard to punch people into walls and he's open to be shot

pearl stratus
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SBB or Carpe.

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Carpe is just on a not great team.

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But his tracer is ridiculous.

edgy swallow
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SBB's tracer is world class for sure

pearl stratus
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This B point has a lot of vertical too

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Which hurts Fist.

balmy wolf
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SKILL

north tendon
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LMAO JUNKRAT

balmy wolf
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SKILL

north tendon
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man this is so dumb

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hurry up nerf

balmy wolf
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one tick left

pearl stratus
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The nerf literally won't affect any of this.

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You realize that right?

full lion
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yee boi

balmy wolf
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Yep

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They can actually aim mines

north tendon
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it will with the dumb mines

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but he will still be dumb

balmy wolf
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Nope

pearl stratus
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Except these people don't have dumb mines.

edgy swallow
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i love how everyone runs junkrat on horizon B because of jake

balmy wolf
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Those are pro players

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Not Bronzes

pearl stratus
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Like if you look at Jakerat?

nova wadi
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Tire is pretty fucking easy to kill

pearl stratus
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His mines hit people in the face.

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The nerf will affect gold/plat.

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And below.

north tendon
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yeah but still, the fall off is pretty harsh

jovial jewel
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good

full lion
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didn't riptire get nerfed too

pearl stratus
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No.

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Riptire doesn't need a nerf.

nova wadi
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No

edgy swallow
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riptire's pretty easy to kill if you're not bad

balmy wolf
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ow

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Add me for ps4 (JteBaiise93)

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random mine

pearl stratus
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It punishes people with bad map presence.

jovial jewel
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it got bug fixed

balmy wolf
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RIP

rustic perch
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don't only look at 1v1, the nerf is also going to hurt the damage if you throw your mine in chokes vs all 6 players

balmy wolf
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Poppin off

full lion
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idk i can't not see riptire as a stupid ability

magic zinc
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I'd agree with Riptire not needing a nerf if it wasn't up every damn fight

balmy wolf
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rip

jovial jewel
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s4 NotLikeSoldier

north tendon
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outplayed

pearl stratus
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If you look at OWL Junkrat play though there's very rarely big clumps.

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The Junkrat nerf affects us plebs.

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Not really pros.

pearl cedar
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S4!

edgy swallow
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what would they be nerfing?

pearl stratus
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They nerfed the aoe fall off on conc mine.

rustic perch
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situations like when there are 3+ stuck in a graviton also count

nova wadi
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LOOOOL

north tendon
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LMFAOOO

balmy wolf
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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

edgy swallow
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OH SHIT

balmy wolf
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Oh damnit

north tendon
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OK

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OK

scarlet spear
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meko with a clutch dodge

jovial jewel
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hydration pogchimp

balmy wolf
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WOAH

magic zinc
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what the hell

simple agate
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That rip tire was nasty

pearl cedar
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Surefour was doin so goood

balmy wolf
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Long range tire lmao

nova wadi
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it doesnt need a duration nerf lol

pearl cedar
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he out widow'ed sable

jovial jewel
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the matches today have been pretty damn good

full lion
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tell me riptire isnt stupid lol

balmy wolf
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It needed a charge nerf and that's it

edgy swallow
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nah i'd agree with the duration nerf

balmy wolf
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it lasts half as long as valkryie

pearl stratus
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NYXL is better than London.

edgy swallow
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10 seconds is a lot of stall

rustic perch
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if you had to nerf it at SOME spot i'd take the build up time

edgy swallow
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maybe decrease it to 8 seconds or less

jovial jewel
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just make it longer to build it up

magic zinc
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I'd increase its cost

jovial jewel
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that's all really

magic zinc
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Its like Pulse Bomb level-common rn

pearl stratus
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It really doesn't need it, its not like Junk is on every map.

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He's on maps he fits on.

edgy swallow
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in pro games

nova wadi
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it's just nerfing him too much imo

pearl stratus
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Lunar Colony is just a REALLY good rat map.

edgy swallow
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in normal comp junk is everywhere

pearl stratus
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Yeah because normal comp players are pretty bad.

jovial jewel
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junkrat is infesting comp

pearl stratus
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And they can't kill tires and punish him.

balmy wolf
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I wish they would use sym

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hero becomes viable

full lion
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pro cant kill riptires

balmy wolf
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WTF NERF

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  • Genji mains
jovial jewel
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i mean he is a rat so

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

pearl stratus
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Have you seen the tires the pros throw?

rustic perch
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that's the problem, you can't just balance heroes for one elo, you have to find a good balance

nova wadi
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Exactly salamence

edgy swallow
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junkrat is easy to play to an average level of skill

pearl stratus
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Did you see Profit's over the building in OWL?

edgy swallow
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good junk play requires skill

balmy wolf
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Any range shuts down junkrat

pearl stratus
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OWL tires take random ass paths 99% of the time.

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In comp they're basic stupid paths.

wintry kraken
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deathstar talk...

pearl stratus
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And people still don't kill them.

jovial jewel
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the problem is junkrat is easy to play for pretty good reward

edgy swallow
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yeah

balmy wolf
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Uh no.

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Half of his kit relies either in prediction or RNG

pearl stratus
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Also because people watch OWL they all think that Dva Winston are the only two tanks.

jovial jewel
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like mercy in her original valk

edgy swallow
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im a junkrat main and the amount of people you see instalocking junk without any idea of how to properly use concussion mines is sad

pearl stratus
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Which makes Junkrat even better.

balmy wolf
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Tell me that a hero that needs to compensate for travel time at POINT BLANK range is brainless

pearl stratus
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Because you don't get random Zaryas.

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Who just nom nom nom his charge.

full lion
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people with aim better than any of us will ever achieve struggle to shoot riptires just because the junkrat shakes his mouse back and forth really fast

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its rediculous

balmy wolf
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zen op

magic zinc
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JJonak with a triple okay then

north tendon
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JJONAK

pearl stratus
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Jjonak is the best dps on NYXL.

balmy wolf
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HACKD

edgy swallow
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TRUE

jovial jewel
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jjonak pogchimp

balmy wolf
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oh shit

torpid drum
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idk how valiant almost beat spitfire

nova wadi
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libero afk

pearl stratus
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Valiants a really good team?

balmy wolf
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He just killed half of the team

edgy swallow
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hydration trying to jakerat

torpid drum
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i mean, id say agilities and soon carried it pretty hard lol

pearl stratus
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DPS carried a game about killing people? 😛

balmy wolf
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lol libero

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"report genji afk"

edgy swallow
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libero afk

torpid drum
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i mean Fury was doing insane on spitfire

edgy swallow
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reported

torpid drum
pearl stratus
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The thing is 1:1 Korean players aren't just magically better than anyone.

sinful heron
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Damn he almost caught him peeking

pearl stratus
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Spitfire, Dynasty and NYXL are better because most of these kids have played together for a LONG time (in esports time)

balmy wolf
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That's a hold

torpid drum
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I didnt come in thinking that, but I did expect Spitfire to win mainly because in my opinion their team is better then valiant

pearl stratus
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LAV/LAG/Houston will get to their level of cohesion.

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This was the first time we saw them get clolse.

full lion
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ryujehong is magical

pearl stratus
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He's mostly magic.

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Jjonak is a better Zen.

magic zinc
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Thats what weirds me out about Fuel, they should be cohesive, but they swap so much and look like a mess

pearl stratus
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If the meta ever shifts back to Ana then we can see Unicorn Jehong.

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Fuel has a bad roster, we've talked abotu this Fire 😛

edgy swallow
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houston will be a good team if they continue as they are

magic zinc
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They have Envyus

pearl stratus
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They recruited just based off of talent, not off of hero comp.

magic zinc
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??

sinful heron
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I have to wonder if it's worth giving Winston and dva both 20% ult in exchange for giving your mercy 40% ult

magic zinc
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Yeah they're predictable but that doesnt explain their bad cohesion

pearl stratus
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Right now, yeah Mr G.

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Valkyrie is worth both of those at the moment.

balmy wolf
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Janus keeps being bombed by riptire lol

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AHAHAH

pearl stratus
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Unless its maybe like..

balmy wolf
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SKILL

pearl stratus
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Poko DVa.

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Since his Dva ult always gets killed.

edgy swallow
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focus jjonak far out

sinful heron
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That's what I'm saying, that's super worth

balmy wolf
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MINE IS 1000% EFFECTIVE AGAINST WEEB

edgy swallow
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he's just getting free picks

magic zinc
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Wooo

jovial jewel
#

GG

north tendon
#

MAGIC

torpid drum
#

i want those junk nerfs

jovial jewel
balmy wolf
#

That's the map

pearl stratus
#

It's just one nerf.

#

And it'll affect us plebs on comp.

full lion
#

put junk in the toilet along with mercy

edgy swallow
#

salty genji mains want the junk nerf 😛

balmy wolf
#

Yep

north tendon
#

they asked jake about the nerf

magic zinc
#

It wont be much of an effect for Diamond and up tbh

jovial jewel
#

i mean if you're worried about the combo you can still just lead with a regular bomb and throw in the mine

pearl stratus
#

He'll still show up in OWL on good Junk nerfs.

jovial jewel
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

north tendon
#

he thinks it might put him out of owl

#

so

nova wadi
#

Source shidou.

balmy wolf
#

The thing is

jovial jewel
#

jake NotLikeSoldier

north tendon
#

it was a video

#

let me see

balmy wolf
#

The mine falloff is too heavy handed

#

It already has a 3 meter range

edgy swallow
#

i agree

nova wadi
#

Also isnt jake a pretty good soldier

balmy wolf
#

And that's on DIAMETER

pearl stratus
#

Jake is good at most of the DPS.

north tendon
edgy swallow
#

yeah but his junkrat is world tier

nova wadi
#

like the soldier he played in WC

pearl stratus
#

His Genji is too.

edgy swallow
#

nah

balmy wolf
#

It also ruins completely the mine trap combo

pearl cedar
#

his genji sucks what o.o

magic zinc
#

I wasn't super impressived with his Genji

#

He had good blades

pearl cedar
#

jake only plays 2 heroes right now

jovial jewel
#

i don't think jake is gonna be out just bcuz of the junk nerf

magic zinc
#

But was just kinda farming ult outside of that

pearl cedar
#

rat and soldier

edgy swallow
#

his genji is good but it's not the genji of pro genjis

pearl cedar
#

he needs to up his hero pool again

balmy wolf
#

Everyone asked for a buff to the trap and nerf to mines

edgy swallow
#

why would you buff traps lmao

nova wadi
#

80 for mines 120 for traps

edgy swallow
#

no

rotund coyote
#

I think NYXL is gonna take this because Pine completely counters SureFour and their dive comp works really well

balmy wolf
#

Instead we get salty genji mains complaining they don't win against Junkrat

edgy swallow
#

that's bad balancing

balmy wolf
#

Because they blow deflect too early

pearl stratus
#

It's Blizard.

edgy swallow
#

good genjis can kill a junk easy

pearl stratus
#

They're already garbage at balancing.

nova wadi
#

I'd like 2 traps more

#

instead of 2 mines

balmy wolf
#

Like

jovial jewel
#

blizzard is pretty ass at balancing

full lion
#

im not a genji main. i dislike junkrat intensley

jovial jewel
#

ex. Bastion rework

balmy wolf
#

I had a genji my level keep stomping on me as junk

#

we were both plat

pearl stratus
#

They do heavy handed balance because they're garbage at it.

balmy wolf
#

He was a tad above my rank

pearl stratus
#

So they do these huge nerfs.

#

Then buff back up.

sinful heron
#

I remember when everyone was saying that Surefour is "Literally the best player in the world" before any major tournament, that was a fun time

pearl stratus
#

As opposed to nerfing slowly.

balmy wolf
#

And we were playing DM

pearl stratus
#

To find sweet spots.

edgy swallow
#

lmao surefour

jovial jewel
#

the best change that blizzard did was decreasing soldiers damage from 20 to 19

magic zinc
#

Same was said about Seagull

jovial jewel
#

small, but it was enough to make him not a must pick like he was b4

pearl stratus
#

And the point he makes about Junk isn't about the Junkrat nerfs.

#

If you actually listen to it.

sinful heron
#

I mean, McFanTheHammer was a pretty good change too

pearl stratus
#

Junkrat is fine.

#

Junkrat without Mercy is not fine.

jovial jewel
#

well that was just needed ynow

magic zinc
#

Of course Jake would say Junkrat is fine though

rotund coyote
#

Gucci Gang remix : Genji main, genji main, genji main, genji main, genji main, genji main, genji main. spent 2k CP on his gold guns,

sinful heron
#

Also "Widow-OneShotBodyShot" was pretty good too

pearl stratus
#

So its the mercy nerfs affecting Junkrat more than Junkrats own nerfs.

#

No, its a valid point.

jovial jewel
#

mccree had ridiculous falloff

pearl stratus
#

The current meta has heroes that are valid JUST because of Mercy.

magic zinc
#

Yeah thats true

pearl stratus
#

Widow/Junk are super safe resses for Mercy.

#

So Mercy makes them more valuable.

edgy swallow
#

mercy is pretty terrible for nerfing

magic zinc
#

But that doesn't take away the fact that Junkrat is super frustrating to play against and has his ult every fight

edgy swallow
#

all they do is massively nerf her and then buff her again

pearl stratus
#

Yeah, but thats what he's saying about the nerfs.

full lion
#

then put mercy in toilet and keep her there for the remainder of overwatch's lifespan

pearl stratus
#

The nerfs are a fine tune nerf, which is really good for Junk.

balmy wolf
#

He's only frustrating to play against if you're an idiot

nova wadi
#

i dont find him that frustrating

pearl stratus
#

But its the mercy nerfs that will hit junkrat hard in OWL.

rotund coyote
#

y u hate marcy

jovial jewel
#

but then everyone will complain that mercy is bad

pearl stratus
#

Literally nothing about Junkrats nerfs.

balmy wolf
#

His grenades have MASSIVE travel time so he can miss easily

jovial jewel
#

and then blizz will overtune her again

edgy swallow
#

junk is only hard to play against if it's a good junk

jovial jewel
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

edgy swallow
#

and that's the same for every hero

north tendon
#

chro also thought junk might be weak after the nerf

pearl stratus
#

Basically: "Did this person used to play Demoman in TF2."

sinful heron
#

I desperately want the tyre noise to just be consistent, you run it into a wall and it goes silent, and it STAYS silent even after it starts moving again, it's dumb

vagrant narwhal
#

pine is nasty

jovial jewel
#

i did

pearl stratus
#

Thats the Junk thats dangerous.

jovial jewel
#

i'm still pretty ass with junk even tho i mained demo

edgy swallow
#

bad genjis are easy

north tendon
#

but on the other hand

edgy swallow
#

good genjis are impossible to kill

#

same with junk imo

north tendon
#

pvptwitch thinks it doesnt change much

#

so who knows

balmy wolf
#

That's cause Junk's pills travel twice as slower

pearl stratus
#

Basically Junkrat punishes bad players.

#

More than any other hero.

jovial jewel
#

the problem is junk can't really chain his pipes well

pearl stratus
#

So he gets more REEEEEEEEEEEE

#

In his direction.

edgy swallow
#

yeah

sinful heron
#

I mean Pharah punishes bad players too

jovial jewel
#

you can, but it's gonna be rollers

nova wadi
#

road punishes players too.

pearl stratus
#

Junk does it at a range, relatively safely.

full lion
#

junkrat gets kills that feel easy and cheap

edgy swallow
#

i've solo carried a lot of games just by playing junk and punishing bad positioning

jovial jewel
#

they couldve made it so that the more bounces a mine has, the damage goes down by maybe 20%?

#

pill i mean

#

bomb

pearl stratus
#

People who are garbage trash dumpster mutants at positioning can get wiped by a decent Junk.

jovial jewel
#

ach

pearl stratus
#

But that's not because Junk is amazing.

nova wadi
#

when i get 2 body hits with junk they dont feel cheap lul

spring lintel
#

And the casters confirms, nyxl is the best team in OWL

vestal mortar
#

I love esports

pearl stratus
#

That's because you positioned like a spaz.

north tendon
#

junk grenades and ping makes it more frustrating

#

cause they bounce

edgy swallow
#

they're pretty easy to predict

pearl stratus
#

My favorite is people who dip around a corner against a Junkrat like "HE'LL NEVER HIT ME NOW."

#

Like...

magic zinc
#

Yeah this is the first e-sport I've really gotten into

pearl stratus
#

Mofo really.

#

I'll just bounce it against the door frame.

#

Are you special?

jovial jewel
#

a lot of people are also mad since the bomb can do 120 even after bouncing 2 times already

magic zinc
#

Huge football fan but this is just... different idk

#

More of a community feeling

nova wadi
#

I like the junks that true to target me as pharah

north tendon
#

yea bigboy

nova wadi
#

and fail horribly

spring lintel
#

This meta gives shitty team like huston a chance against kr skilled teams. When the meta changes, there will be no competition

north tendon
#

thats my issue

magic zinc
#

Also insane production value helps

vestal mortar
#

Indeed

rotund coyote
#

When i see that several people are typing and i wanna say something funny: -Jeopardy Music plays-

edgy swallow
#

trying to 1v1 a junk when you're not skilled is asking for death

nova wadi
#

@spring lintel sounds like a great copy pasta

edgy swallow
#

the junk doesn't have to be good they just have to double mine

jovial jewel
#

that's why i'd say just giving it damage dropoff for each bounce like how demo gets lower damage for rollers would be the way to balance junk

pearl stratus
#

Or just get better.

#

Thats a great way to balance Junk.

jovial jewel
#

that too

#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

spring lintel
#

Wow @nova wadi it actually is

pearl stratus
#

This is one of the few situations where thats the viable answer.

rotund coyote
#

wtf

balmy wolf
#

I think the current PTR junkrat is fine, it's just annoying like gengoo and tracer

magic zinc
#

You say that but there are players that went from plat to GM just because Junk got buffed

nova wadi
#

@spring lintel GWcorbinMonkaGIGA

edgy swallow
#

a good hanzo, genji, pharah or soldier at range can kill a junk

magic zinc
#

If you say Mei is OP yeah, get good

edgy swallow
#

good tracers are impossible to kill

nova wadi
#

people one tricked mercy and got from bronze to gm ? Lul

spring lintel
#

put emotes on it and lets put it in twitch

magic zinc
#

Junkrat is different imo

pearl stratus
#

People one trick tanks and do it too.

nova wadi
#

Exactly

full lion
#

pvptwich got multiple accounts in top500 after junkrat buff

pearl stratus
#

It's playing something that people can't counter because they're too stupid too.

magic zinc
#

Not because of a singular buff

pearl stratus
#

You're just taking advantage of human weakness.

nova wadi
#

put some omegaluls on it and its good to go

north tendon
#

pvptwitch was suggesting a bunch of nerfs

spring lintel
#

i have seen a gold junkrat one trick get to t500 after the buff, no joke.

north tendon
#

he thinks the current rat is too cheese

vestal mortar
edgy swallow
#

if you're a skilled tracer you can solo carry

spring lintel
#

not in pro play

edgy swallow
#

not pro just in comp

jovial jewel
#

god dammit these casters man

spring lintel
#

ladder yes 100%

magic zinc
#

Soe is gone again? :(

balmy wolf
#

I'm terrified of good tracer mains

full lion
#

good tracers do a lot in pro games too

#

soon, sbb

north tendon
#

tracer will be the next dps on the chopping block

edgy swallow
#

junk in pro games isn't viable in all maps

pearl stratus
#

People will always cry about what they can't play against and want it nerfed too much.

north tendon
#

all pros want her nerfed

pearl stratus
#

Because garbage just wants everything else to be garbage.

jovial jewel
#

how would you nerf her though?

vestal mortar
#

SBB is nice, don't be scared of him

edgy swallow
#

like i can't kill good tracers no matter how hard i try

north tendon
#

no clue but maybe lower the damage a bit

jovial jewel
#

besides the obvious ult gen nerf

edgy swallow
#

would i want her nerfed

north tendon
#

just a bit

edgy swallow
#

heck maybe

spring lintel
#

she doesnt need a nerf

north tendon
#

or her sustain

edgy swallow
#

but should she be nerfed, no

full lion
#

learn to play mccree or hanzo to kill tracer

nova wadi
#

She doesnt need a nerf

edgy swallow
#

if i get better i can kill her

spring lintel
#

if u are gonna lower damage u need to increase survivability

jovial jewel
#

the issue is that there aren't characters that can reliably counter tracer

pearl stratus
#

Even Zenyatta.

magic zinc
#

Tracer at her ceiling is arguably a bit too good, I'm talking at GM+ level

balmy wolf
#

tracer is the most balanced hero in OW

edgy swallow
#

true

jovial jewel
#

like yeah you got flash

edgy swallow
#

tracer has no hard counters

jovial jewel
#

but she can just bait it

magic zinc
#

Where did Soe go? NotLikeSoldier

balmy wolf
#

good sombra mains are rare because sombra is a hard character, but when you get really good with her she can be super annoying

jovial jewel
#

make a hard counter hero to flankers, and tracer will be balanced

nova wadi
#

then just bait tracer into thinking u got no flash

vestal mortar
full lion
#

isnt junkrat her hard counter

north tendon
#

GM+ Tracers are the problem

magic zinc
#

#BringBackSoe

spring lintel
#

sombra is an emp gen

balmy wolf
#

"godlike tracers are op"

pearl stratus
#

Right now team calling is her biggest counter.

balmy wolf
#

...what?

#

Isn't that what is SUPPOSED to happen?

vestal mortar
#

#BringBackEsports

jovial jewel
#

🤔

spring lintel
#

tracer can just blink

nova wadi
#

i mean godlike everything is op

north tendon
#

tracer mastery is far more rewarding than any other hero

spring lintel
#

or recall

balmy wolf
#

tracer is balanced, she's just disruptive and that's her job lol

magic zinc
#

#BringBackLunaticHai

edgy swallow
#

tracer mastery is harder but is also near impossible to counter

magic zinc
#

But most importantly

#

#FreeMendo 🕯

#

🙏

jovial jewel
#

🙏

vestal mortar
#

Mendo 😭

spring lintel
#

you can fend her off

pearl stratus
#

I just want Blizzard to learn how to step balance.

edgy swallow
#

a good tracer can cancel a team fight by picking off supports early

spring lintel
#

thats it on top play

balmy wolf
#

Symmetra is OP in bronze/silver/gold

pearl stratus
#

Because this giant reinhardt hammer swinging of nerfs is stupid.

vestal mortar
#

Hopefully in the next few games we'll see him

balmy wolf
#

low tier players literally can't counter a Symmetra

jovial jewel
#

i'd hate to say it, but blizzard needs to take a page out of riot games' balancing method

north tendon
#

maybe im overreacting because of the current meta

#

but she was always picked often

#

we'll see

magic zinc
#

I honestly dont think we will, Jake is the shotcaller and Linkzr is playing too well to sub

#

Clockwork is also... not gonna be seen for a while I reckon

edgy swallow
#

gradual nerfs is something blizzard needs to learn

full lion
#

blizzard needs to hire some mathematicians or something to balance their game for them

north tendon
#

anyone know if this is an OW music track

pearl stratus
#

Like Mercy nerfs.

north tendon
#

cause its sick

vestal mortar
#

:C

pearl stratus
#

You do that in steps downward, not dumpster her then rebuff her.

edgy swallow
#

^

jovial jewel
#

it's like lucio's album i think

pearl stratus
#

Because then you overbuff her again.

#

First you lower Valk duration to 15.

north tendon
#

oh thats awesome

pearl stratus
#

Then you remove instant nerf.

#

Then you remove a second nerf.

#

You do it over 3 patches.

#

Because you can find the sweet spot easier.

jovial jewel
#

it's somewhere on itunes or one of those music places

edgy swallow
#

maybe plan your changes\ before implementing them lmao

pearl stratus
#

Or actually listen to the PTR.

#

I don't get why they even PTR.

#

They literally don't listen to it on ANY OF THEIR games.

edgy swallow
#

yeah they never incorporate the feedback

full lion
#

to find bugs :^)

pearl stratus
#

Yep.

#

"Guys we found a bunch of Mei and Doomfist bugs."

#

"We're not going to fix them."

#

"But we found em!"

edgy swallow
#

is doomfist still bugged

north tendon
#

wow, they really make some good stuff

pearl stratus
#

Yeah.

edgy swallow
#

god

jovial jewel
#

👍

edgy swallow
#

P I N E

full lion
#

all i can say is that i will enjoy being able to play ana again and wont want it to end

edgy swallow
#

i love ana

jovial jewel
#

i miss ana

#

being a tank boy

edgy swallow
#

i main ana in this meta and it's hilarious

pearl stratus
#

The problem is.

jovial jewel
#

i miss ana

pearl stratus
#

These current Mercy nerfs?

jovial jewel
magic zinc
#

Have fun playing Zen/Lucio

pearl stratus
#

Still don't make Ana viable.

#

She's STILL better than them.

edgy swallow
#

ana's not viable but i love her

pearl stratus
#

Ana needs her own love.

edgy swallow
#

at low tier play she's viable lol

pearl stratus
#

Not other peoples nerfs.

jovial jewel
#

consistent healing, good mobility, a good sustain through self healing, and still the best support ult besides zen

#

god why

pearl stratus
#

Not just consistent healing.

bitter grotto
#

Hi fellas

pearl stratus
#

The AoE damage buff is bananas.

jovial jewel
#

hi arble

bitter grotto
#

This channel is for esports discussion

full lion
#

well people say the opposite: ana doesn't need buffs, mercy just nmeeds to be nerfed

pearl stratus
#

Ah.

#

I guess the meta doesn't matter for esports.

#

Our bad.

#

😦

magic zinc
#

No Tracers? Thats a first

edgy swallow
#

jehong carry when

bitter grotto
vestal mortar
#

Oh interesting, no Tracers!

jovial jewel
#

is it just me, or has oasis been the 3rd map for a lot of OWL games?

magic zinc
#

Well its either Oasis or Illios

#

So you'd be right

pearl stratus
#

The map selection for this stage is garbo.

edgy swallow
#

pro roadhog strats

pearl stratus
#

So sick of Junkertown.

edgy swallow
#

also known as hooking for scrubs

magic zinc
#

Tire from spawn? Dammit S4

north tendon
#

bringing rat and pharah vs pine

edgy swallow
#

bischu is taking too much damage

north tendon
#

haha

magic zinc
#

Oh

#

what

jovial jewel
balmy wolf
#

LUL

vestal mortar
#

I think they are focusing on demeching Bischu

spring lintel
#

and he survives wtf

vestal mortar
#

¯_(ツ)_/¯

balmy wolf
#

Hydration with the crazy strats

magic zinc
#

But for who though? Its not like they have a Visor to follow-up with

balmy wolf
#

Rip

spring lintel
#

"i am getting the fuk outta here"

rotund coyote
#

Theyre focusing way too much on the tanks nice

edgy swallow
#

pine widow pogchamp

magic zinc
#

Pine on Widow uh oh

balmy wolf
#

That's a failed push lol

edgy swallow
spring lintel
#

no LOS he cant do much now

full lion
#

wowwe lag

balmy wolf
#

OOOO

#

Wowie lad

#

lol hydration

magic zinc
#

Lol Hydration

balmy wolf
#

LOL

magic zinc
#

Is that for a swap or?

#

Yeah

balmy wolf
#

SHOTGUN BARRAGE

#

OW

full lion
#

i dont understand the point of that barrage lool

spring lintel
#

rip libero

magic zinc
#

It was to switch to Genji after lol

balmy wolf
#

OOOOOOOOOOOOO

#

BRBRBRBBRBRB

magic zinc
#

That was spicey oh lordie

jovial jewel
edgy swallow
#

GODDAMN

full lion
#

HYDRATION

balmy wolf
#

HUEHUEHUEHUE

edgy swallow
#

genJI GOD

rotund coyote
#

see heres the thing, genji completely counters non-hitscan heroes anyone agree?

magic zinc
#

He got Pine though worth it

balmy wolf
#

Shit

magic zinc
#

Awe

jovial jewel
spring lintel
#

"i would like to see"

edgy swallow
#

they wouldn't have won

jovial jewel
#

these casters NotLikeSoldier

edgy swallow
#

meko had SD

spring lintel
#

anyways, libero is boosted

north tendon
#

pine wasnt on camera

spring lintel
#

did libero make any plays in owl at all?

pearl cedar
#

S4 was doing pretty good actually

#

until the widow swap

north tendon
#

libero is alright

#

just doesnt compare to sbb and pine

pearl stratus
#

Libero is a swiss army knife.

pearl cedar
#

widow gets the better of cree

spring lintel
#

but not like flower

pearl stratus
#

Which is why he's dangerous.

edgy swallow
#

no one's like flow3r lmao

pearl stratus
#

Because in his previous league he played like..

pearl cedar
#

Libero is like

pearl stratus
#

a 12 hero pool.

dusty surge
#

Is Surefour the only non-Korean playing today?

pearl stratus
#

So he may not play it insanely.

#

But he can play anything

pearl cedar
#

KRs DreamKAzpr

#

literally lol

full lion
#

no one on lag is korean

magic zinc
#

That looked like a weird hook

#

Not sure why

spring lintel
#

looks normal to me

magic zinc
#

it looked off

balmy wolf
#

What was that hook

pearl stratus
#

A normal hook where he turned to change the landing point.

magic zinc
#

Oh lordie Hydration

pearl stratus
#

Is what the hook was.

spring lintel
#

yeah normal

balmy wolf
#

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

pearl cedar
#

HUGE BARRAGE

edgy swallow
#

pro roadhog strats

balmy wolf
#

HUEHUEHUEHUE

pearl stratus
#

You see it a lot on well.

pearl cedar
#

Tracing pine?

pearl stratus
#

Hook, then turn

#

To drop into the pit.

balmy wolf
#

Shaz has trans

grizzled basalt
#

Who controls the spectator cam?fucking ridiculous

spring lintel
#

it's good

balmy wolf
#

That's done so enemies have a hard time shoooting him back

magic zinc
#

It meant that it seemingly looked longer to pull in

balmy wolf
#

OH NO

#

BARRAAAAAAAAAGE

#

Hydration is going nuts

spring lintel
#

i wasnt very focused but could be a spectating bug

pearl cedar
#

Hydration's actually NA's best pharah

balmy wolf
#

Of course

#

Brazil's spirit animal is brids

magic zinc
#

Great reaction by Jjonak tbh

balmy wolf
#

we are pharah gods

spring lintel
#

this delay is insane

edgy swallow
#

hydration looks like a 14 year old

magic zinc
#

dont we all ^

pearl stratus
#

Have you ever seen Fleta?

#

He's a monster than looks like he's a 12 year old anorexic.

full lion
#

yes the typical korean LUL

edgy swallow
#

no like hydration's got some serious baby face going on

spring lintel
#

ark is insane

#

fuck mercy

pearl stratus
#

Bischu is solid, but wtb Poko.

magic zinc
#

Tbh sane

jovial jewel
#

libero btw

magic zinc
#

Holy hell Libero

spring lintel
#

OH MY GODE

jovial jewel
dusty surge
#

rip

north tendon
#

what a game

pearl stratus
#

Thats why Libero is dangerous.

spring lintel
#

that set up shot

edgy swallow
#

GOD BARRAGE

pearl stratus
#

he can swap to anything.

spring lintel
#

is insane

magic zinc
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That backwards conc to pull Soldier into Barrage range wooooooah

jovial jewel
sinful heron
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That conc wtf

slate wraith
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yikes

pearl cedar
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Thats a rip..

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what a throw

balmy wolf
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Rip

pearl stratus
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@upper patrol Did you see the LAV game?

balmy wolf
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They had it

pearl stratus
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Western teams are super close to beating Korean teams.

pearl cedar
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They killed NYXL's mercy

rare tangle
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so are we gonna get just one good match today and that's it?

balmy wolf
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As always Valkyrie ruins everything

pearl cedar
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that shoulda been a won fight

jovial jewel
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when is the korean vs korean game?

pearl cedar
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man stupid mercy meta

pearl stratus
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Next week.

jovial jewel
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dammit man

pearl stratus
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Also just so everyone can think about this.

slate wraith
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i agree menace

full lion
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even that chick wearing the nyxl hat was disappointed lol

pearl cedar
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id rather see moira lmao

pearl stratus
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We don't even know if OWL is getting the nerf.

slate wraith
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you have to kill 8 people instead of just 6

pearl stratus
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They may run a patch behind like LoL used to.

full lion
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thats what they did at the world cup

pearl stratus
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Yeah.

magic zinc
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Hmmm probably stage 3

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Stage 2 is Feb 2nd?

pearl stratus
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Depending on when it comes out

jovial jewel
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BostonUprising vs. SFShock

magic zinc
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Honestly the patch might not even be live yet by then..

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I'm expecting it at Lunar New Year

pearl stratus
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Patch should, theoretically, be out by then.

pearl cedar
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Man Gladiators were looking like the only team to beat NYXL on control <.<

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(in regular season)

pearl stratus
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Though remember console mutants can screw up patch releases.

night notch
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can anyone tell me what the patch is gonna change?

magic zinc
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Mercy and Junkrat nerf

pearl stratus
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Since it has to get verified by Sony and Microsoft.