the game has been making a shitload of money
#esports-discussion
shell wave
scarlet spear
quality =/= quantity
forest raven
Overwatch has also made a lot more money for Blizzard than Paladins has for HiRez
shell wave
ah, so you mean things like hanzo's scatter arrow = quality?
that's exactly why I don't understand why they don't expand the team and release content more often
they have more resources than HiRez but are putting out less content than them
scarlet spear
i have no clue about paladins and never played it, but its obvious that overwatch in its own is a lot more popular
at least they pay their players, not like hi rez
¯_(ツ)_/¯
shell wave
once the initial roster was done, you can't tell me it takes so much work to tweak numbers and abilities
feral solar
from the tiny amount i have played paladins i think its way more broken
the "widow" ult is just you can headshot
scarlet spear
thats literally the only thing that i know about paladins is that their pro players didnt get tournament payments for a llong time
feral solar
and nothing else if im not wrong
shell wave
regardless of that. Overwatch had a stable state, but then they just started messing around with heroes that peope were complaining about instead of also adding new heroes
what is bothering me is the slow pace at which they release content
scarlet spear
moira just got released, they just started teasing the next hero
i think the pace is fine imo
feral solar
i guess it could be faster but if they spend a lot of time testing then you cant blame them
shell wave
but consider that for one year they only added 2 new heroes, sombra and ana
forest raven
I won't speak on balance (Mercy lmao), but they put a shit tonne of work in character design
shell wave
6 months for a hero? it's too much
why don't they just double the team and get 2 heroes in 6 months? it's not like people will complain that they release too much stuff too fast
I guess the answer is simple. they just wanna maximize profit
if it works like this, why hire more people
forest raven
I mean yeah exactly
They're making cash hand over fist off lootboxes and game sales at current
They don't need a plethora of new employees
The majority of the playerbase is fine with the content release schedule
The vocal minority finds no problem with it and the silent majority finds no problem with it
shell wave
I'm now only playing when new events release, cause at level 528 all I'm getting is duplicates from lootboxes
they're not even worth buying once your level is high enough
for what, for 50 credits? spend 10$ or whatever the price may be? (I never bought any)
and it's been like that since about level 450
regarding that paladins sniper ult, it's an ult which makes all shots in the upper body half do headshot damage, so it makes it easier to get headshot damage
kinda like, but not as bad as, hanzo using his shoot-the-ground ability to get insane damage
but the sniper one takes more skill
rare tangle
just saw XQC's tweet where he just goes screw this gah I'm gonna grind on comp more https://twitter.com/xQc/status/954137547365498880
uncut moon
rare tangle
bork
bitter hearth
@shell wave doubling the staff doesn't double the speed of making new content 
one pregnant lady makes a baby in 9 months, two pregnant ladies dont make a baby in 4 1/2
same goes for certain aspects of game design, including designing and balancing new heroes
shell wave
LOL his URLs (xqcow) can be taken as meaning xtra quality cow 😂
@bitter hearth , the pregnant lady example doesn't relate too well to adding game assets
it's more like a factory having one line of production instead of two
the process is the same for all heroes
bitter hearth
its not just adding game assets to create new heroes
bitter hearth
well, no, its not. the same balance team and design team would have to do the majority of the legwork
are you saying they're going to hire an entire new balance/design team with the same principles?
shell wave
oh please,it's hard to take seriously the balancing in this game as it has been all over the place
take Dva for example
bitter hearth
oh ok you're on one of those arguments
shell wave
well, balancing is definitely not the bottleneck of making heroes in this game
their decisions change from week to week
and sometimes according to player feedback (e.g roadhog)
so I wouldn't call balancing the factor that is blocking the hero releases
bitter hearth
i understand your opinions on balancing, but i still believe that it would be exceedingly hard to hire people that can produce the same level of hero design standards that blizzard has set for themselves
sure, they could double the staff who are creating assets like models, textures, and sound effects, but i doubt it would be worth the costs, especially considering most people are happy with the current rate of hero production
and unless cloning machines are invented, the team in charge of actually designing the heroes can't be doubled @shell wave
magic zinc
Hero conceptualizing is time-consuming also, sometimes you hit gold and sometimes it takes months to come up with a fluid coherent hero
Its very possible that there has been a hero at some point that got cut in a pretty late stage in development, causing them to start over
sweet hamlet
0-4 Dallas rip
true geyser
is it just me or is dallas terrible
balmy wolf
Their performance is definitely ineresting
marsh trench
They're pretty inconsistent
It was weird to see them use trans against trans. And not even Taimou could carry them on the last map.
lyric pivot
It's a language gap imo. Someone on Dallas needs to get angry and start directing this team more seriously.
magic zinc
Effect talked about their lack of shotcaller yeah
It also looks like they really tilt after a map loss, happened every time so far
balmy wolf
When is Dallas next game?
rare tangle
man as soon as i started talking about the fuels flaws someone online got on my case in the dumbest way "Why is a bronze/silver player roasting players who make more money then him? Oh I, know hes jelaous!"
lyric pivot
My advice for them: 1) Dps needs to works together more frequently to take targets down. Gladiators do this really well. They always go in on the same target, or try to. 2) When xQc is in, he needs to be calling the shots. I've seen a lot of wins come from him when he's leading the pack. And 3) People need to start feeding Seagull more information. His ult utilization is one of the best in the league, but he can't perform in such a way if they aren't setting him up correctly.
I think they're more tilted with each other than they are at losing the matches.
hidden vault
Bronze/sliver players have the right to talk abitu Esports
rare tangle
like that's like someone telling me "Oh someone who isn't in the OWL is saying the shanghai dragons are shit? is that because said person is jealous?"
hidden vault
- He is still ranked lower then League players no matter what
lyric pivot
I don't even think you need to bring it up. That's something you should probably just ignore Splat.
I understand it's stupid, but holding on to that stupidity probably isn't necessary. lol
rare tangle
i just feel bad for the fuel fanbase at this point I'd be on their discord but they demanded i fork over my phone number to access it
lyric pivot
Ah neat.
I'm not a fan of Fuel. I am however a fan of the league. Because some of my favorite players are scattered on different teams.
rare tangle
to avoid spam they said but I'd feel odd about handing over my phone number to them regardless
lyric pivot
Yeah, I wouldn't do it eiher.
rare tangle
and this is the official discord the team itself wants your phone number
hidden vault
uhh I thought you just need to have a verifed phone number?
lyric pivot
Like if I'm signing up for a sub service, or anything related, sure, have my number. I'll need you to contact me if there's an issue. But if I don't know you, you're not getting my number.
rare tangle
I'm annoyed because it seems like any team associated with texas has had a crap season lately
lyric pivot
lol
rare tangle
doesn't help that these guys are performing like the dallas cowboys
lyric pivot
DAYUM
rare tangle
they are america's football team yet they suck every year
just like how the fuel was predicted by many to be the OWL Team to watch and the best non korean team but like the cowboys they failed to perform
lyric pivot
The only good thing that came out of the dallas cowboys this year was Tony Romo's NFL TV analyst job. 
rare tangle
I'm just waiting for XQC to publicly shit all over the rest of the team and say they are dragging him down
you know it's gonna happen
lyric pivot
xQc is very strong willed. He's very quickly decisive. But he's also one of the best tanks in the game/league.
magic zinc
Nah won't happen, I dont think anyone in OWL is gonna shit on their teammates ever
Its a very quick exit door from the scene
hidden vault
so is xQc a good guy or not?
lyric pivot
Neither.
lyric pivot
He's like the Cam Newton of OWL.
rare tangle
i highly doubt everyone in the OWL is a nice person even real pro sports have general dbags that fling shit everywhere
balmy wolf
That controversy is mostly fabricated imo
lyric pivot
^
magic zinc
He called Muma some derogatory gay slurs yesterday before realizing Muma is gay and then apologized
forest raven
He said "suck a cock, he would like it but"
He apologised to Muma and Muma accepted the apology
balmy wolf
He didn't call him anything, don't take what you read on Reddit as fact
magic zinc
Yeah its obvs blown out of proportion
lyric pivot
Reddit, destroyer of Streamers.
magic zinc
Doesnt stop the reddit train
rare tangle
regardless XQC is obiously the most tilt happy member of the group
lyric pivot
Right.
balmy wolf
I personally think xQc is really immature and should be more professional but it really bothers me when people who have only seen 2 or 3 Twitch clips of him make statements calling him toxic
lyric pivot
I think he just wants to win. I think he likes to win. I think if they start to win, he'll chill a little bit. It's a new team, and like most new things, it takes time to gel.
rare tangle
if any teams gonna make him rage his pants off it'll be the london spitfire tonight
magic zinc
I think he's toxic sure but not malicious per se, he yells a lot but doesnt mean it
lyric pivot
Thats the competitive nature in him I feel.
magic zinc
Yeah thats fair
rare tangle
the entire team has to be focused 110% or they lose that's how you gotta be against teams like spitfire
balmy wolf
Most of the "harsh" things he says is only said to his stream and not in voice chat
magic zinc
Yeah exactly, thats why its not malicious imo
lyric pivot
Right.
magic zinc
But even then hearing that about yourself in hindsight cant feel good
But now we're just devolving into a xQc thread again rip
lyric pivot
For instance, the last game of the prior season there was a rule about how the ratings were effected if you obtained a win. and he bet against his entire stream that he would dye his hair vivid ass blue if he lost the bet. He won that bet and literally rained shit all over his stream . But everyone was laughing because we all know he actually loves his stream.
balmy wolf
Nah man, wdym. Reddit told me he was super toxic
magic zinc
I only watched Fuel vs Houston yesterday -- any other good matches/maps I should catch up on?
lyric pivot
Reddit is also super fucking toxic lol
forest raven
Philly Glads
balmy wolf
I can't support Dallas because of him
forest raven
Watch it
balmy wolf
/s
magic zinc
Will do
lyric pivot
Might be another cam. iunoo lol
balmy wolf
I was at 2600 two days ago?
lyric pivot
I go by SpaceButler.
lyric pivot
So you might of seen me o-O
balmy wolf
Doesn't ring a bell
balmy wolf
Lol
lyric pivot
I mean there's probably like several Cam's in plat and diamond.
lyric pivot
Say that to the Smith's.
rare tangle
or the cornholes
lyric pivot
all fucking several million of them
iunno. off to the drums than showah for me though. Good chattin' fellahs. Here's to hopin Dallas can clean it up! 
magic zinc
I wonder if its gonna snowball for them later down the line
Lets say they keep underperforming till signing window
Who would want to join them?
balmy wolf
A lot of people just want to be in the league.
magic zinc
Thats true, but are those the same calibre of players Dallas is after?
In other news, Lunatic Hai disbanded
fast pulsar
hidden vault
why isn't members of the Lunatic Hai in Overwatch League?
magic zinc
Seoul is Lunatic Hai's old roster bar the underage players
hidden vault
any teams with no koreans?
hidden vault
you are wrong
balmy wolf
what? never
red anvil
Seoul Dynasty Kappa
hidden condor
Poor Dallas.. lost so many times
red anvil
Akm will replace them all
hidden vault
San Francisco Shock
red anvil
well, that what dallas get for underestimating there issues and picking up questionable talent
and no i am not speaking about xqc
hidden condor
While Winston is meta, he suck in higher rank, because they counter him so much
hidden vault
Mickie
hidden condor
I don't get the owl app, it shows matches which aren't due till April-May, but there's already the stats showing
modest elbow
predicted stats?
rare tangle
pearl stratus
I wouldn't say Mickie is questionable talent. He's too aggressive for their current players, but he's not bad. Also even if his talent was a little low they need his personality as a balancing point.
The biggest waste of space on Dallas right now, imo, is Seagull.
I know twitch jerks off over him constantly but he'a predictable swap.
Beyond that they need a better dps bench.
magic zinc
I think they could do with another off-tank player
pearl stratus
The problem is they basically have two.
pearl stratus
You have xQc and Coco who -should- be your two tanks. But their hero pool is limited.
Cocco should be learning D'Va.
xQc has been putting a bunch of work into Orissa.
magic zinc
Taimou plays a mean Hog but sometimes you want hitscan + Hog
pearl stratus
Taimou gets forced onto Hog because he's the best hog in the league right now.
But their DPS bench is..
Effect.
And.
Effect.
And a little more Effect.
You really only see Seagull swapping with Taimou and they have -zero- hero overlap.
Which means if Taimou is out and Seagulls in you know exactly what heroes are going to be locked by the Doughboy.
Their entire team is super predictable.
rare tangle
its sad that this is the team that has dallas slapped on it and it's been a meme like joke online so far
scarlet spear
you mean the first and only western team to win a big tournament in Korea ?
they played bad so far, no reason to write them off as garbage
same for mayhem and hopefully SHD
its been 3 weeks out of half a year of Overwatch, things are still an object to change
rare tangle
yeah and today they are squaring up to get eaten alive by london
so thats 0-4 they'll be
sullen nest
@hidden condor It doesnt. It shows there standing so how many they won and lost
hidden condor
Ooh, make sense, tho it's a little over the top showing the same on 3 pages
brittle belfry
fuel lost and jake tbagged and xqc is pissed
uneven flax
And xqc roasted muma
brittle belfry
they all roasted each other
brittle belfry
idk
i hate how the casters always hype up a team or bury teams
like there are some matches where the casters just don't care about the underdog team
rare tangle
nobody ever cares about the shanghai dragons
uncut moon
To be honest from what I've seen the only teams to care about are the korean teams
NYXL deleting Valiant yesterday
Dynasty deleting everything they run into
What's the point of the others being in the league
rare tangle
basically we have 3 new england patriots in the OWL it sounds like
uncut moon
For a start dragons just shouldn't be in the league at all, even in major league professional sports the underdog can score an upset victory
dragons don't look like they will win a single game
or even come close to
scarlet spear
thats on their team managements "corrupt" signings
and totally on them
they had the talent there to make a team that could have potentially competed for the top
rare tangle
maybe if the rest of the world didn't see pro gamers as lazy slackers who are too stupid to get a real job the korean teams wouldn't be so dominant
uncut moon
Yes western world doesn't view professional e-sports the same way koreans do that's for sure
To be honest the only games I look forward to watching now are Korea vs Korea
NYXL vs Dynasty
Or Spitfire vs one of the above
because the other games just don't have the same calibre of plays
rare tangle
south korea props up pro gamers but the rest of the world just scoffs at them and thinks they are dumbasses who flunked out of school and this is their way of trying to make it up to their families
so yeah not gonna change
uncut moon
like pine last night was just something else, another level
I do find it funny though how NY, London are full Korean teams, pretty sure most major league sports have rules where a certain % of players have to be of the nationality of the team
So like NY should be made of a % of americans, London should be made up of a % of brits
magic zinc
I don't think those rules would have a lot of impact
Look at the English Premier League
Chelsea just has a bunch of English guys in their reserves
and there you go
quota met
uncut moon
True
the BPL is mostly foreigners now
Even Manchester United which used to have some decent talent from brits
all washed up
magic zinc
I dont mind it too much because it ups the level of play
uncut moon
mostly European players in the BPL now
To be fair when you see the quality of play from say, the la liga compared to the BPL you can see why
the BPL teams have more foreign players
But again it's a culture thing
magic zinc
BPL also has much, much more money for transfers
Even the bottom teams have a ~60 mil budget
uncut moon
yeah the money in it is just absolutely ridiculous
player transfers worth more than brain surgeons annual salary
rare tangle
but it does get weird when stadiums come into play and locals are coming to see players who are dumbfounded at every aspect of their culture including teabags in the case of london
grizzled mulch
BPL is kind of a bad example
if only because BPL teams started out as local teams
not as this big multimedia and multinational conglomerate like it have been for the last 30 years
hidden vault
Overwatch teams should never have been localised
they should have been international
grizzled mulch
people who compares it now to OWL at the moment is basically comparing an aged wine to something like moonshine made in the last 30 minutes
but I digress
and honestly, localization ain't so bad now that people in those cities actually got together to watch their team together
they clearly saw something there
too bad though no talent import rules + stranglehold in 2017 against NA/EU scene = the state of things right now
KR got 2 APEX to plays and improve
NA/EU got shit for breakfast
half of the year only Monthly Melee, the other half swamped in World Cup and Contenders that was practically a throwaway
and the "KR dominates esports" meme will continues to propagandates
rare tangle
and then boredom settles in
grizzled mulch
nah it wont
in the long run
the league will achieve parity
for now
KR got a bit of headstart already
rare tangle
no full korean team has lost a match yet
grizzled mulch
and?
this is only week 2
the difference between here and the eternal catch up game that NA LCS is that these teams actually play and scrim together in regularity
unlike LCS where it is only 2 times per year
that's a very huge factor because when teams are able to scrim like that, everyone's level improves.
6 months season, mate
limber pine
tell me how you really feel wolf
pseudo sail
hey folks, ICYMI my column on the first week of OWL is out. Hope you enjoy it!
https://twitter.com/RadoNonfire/status/954262590842195970
pearl stratus
On a 1:1 player ability I don't think the Korean teams are insanely ahead of the Western teams. But like the Houston coached mentioned - the teamwork is insanely.
Korean teams just mesh so well.
If you could get teams like Houston to be on the same communication/mesh as the Korean teams I think you'd see some drastic difference.
magic zinc
I wonder if they can, it could be a cultural thing as well
Something that Koreans just... have more
pearl stratus
Nah its just time.
We've seen players go off as well as we see Pine/Fleta go off.
They just need the rest of the team to get to the same page.
It starts with the supports imo.
Strong Korean teams tend to rest on strong supports, though everyone focuses on their DPS.
But like ArK/Jjonak, or Ryu/Tobi/Gido.
It's why I feel like LA Gladiators came back so well.
Shaz and Goose are a solid backbone.
rare tangle
like i said non korean teams gotta deal with their culture treating them like lazy slackers and making it harder on them to just feel cool being themselves you can't really excel if your country is viewing you as a parasite leeching off any scraps you can get
i guarantee you the average person would find playing games as a job to be a copout and an attempt to escape actual work
grizzled mulch
it is a bit of a systematic problem
lower tier NA scene is fucking garbage
because everyone is out for themselves and don't know what growing means
rare tangle
sometimes i feel like the people on the western teams are no smarter than even the best people i get paired up with on comp
all showboating and out for the glory kills
grizzled mulch
it is sort of a by product of the environment
rare tangle
as a tank/support player i have grown to hate my own teammates
lyric pivot
The only support I play is Ana. But I'm mainly flexing between tank and dps. ... I too hate most of my teammates.
rare tangle
i bounce between mercy and moira
rare tangle
i feel like some people like to be goofs on twitter
short python
this might be the wrong channel for this but could anyone let me know how i can get started scrimming? i'm 4k and would like to join a team but don't know how to get started
limber pine
@short python #lf-players-na
rare tangle
strangely PR for the overwatch league recommended stopping by your local bar and having a milkshake with some friends while watching...
spitfire fans facepalmed at that comment i forgot who said it but one of the owners said it somewhere and it was quoted on reddit
balmy wolf
.
rare tangle
hmm
balmy wolf
vestal mortar
grand owl
❤
opal tiger
tacit agate
ivory scroll
vestal mortar
I haven't watched the NY game yet
hybrid flare
Thank God for xqc
grizzled mulch
grizzled mulch
well you don't have to watch all the matches
slim summit
thanks for the permission
magic zinc
It's been known for a while I thought?
grizzled mulch
yeah
jagged crater
but wasn't well known among spectators
he admitted on stream w/ 100 viewers a while back
but this xqc drama made it really well known now
magic zinc
Tbh I'm glad nobody cares
As in whatever, doesnt change anything
The internet can be nice sometimes
jagged crater
this gen of people dont care about sexual oreintation as much
glad gull
topaz sparrow
magic zinc
Shame there's no game in an hour, figured they'd put Spitfire in that slot for EU viewers
thorny parrot
@molten skiff so now you know what he likes for sex, i hope this can fill the void in your life....
molten skiff
lol
thorny parrot
Want to know what i like for sex? Or arent you like that?
torpid charm
what
vestal mortar
molten skiff
i dont understand why are you being so aggressive @thorny parrot
i meant more as a good for him to come out
feral solar
Twitter
slim summit
loooool
is this good or bad for london i wonder
probably good because the team already struggled with interpersonal turmoil and will probably be on tilt
spring lintel
Rip xqc
At least it’s just for tonight and they didnt say forever
Seems like he is done
Might be suspended
Forever
slim summit
forever whut
magic zinc
On his stream he just said "Eh I'd be a sub anyway"
That's 1 way to react I guess lol
slim summit
lol
spring lintel
The way he is talking on stream seems like he might get kicked
magic zinc
Hmmm he seems to be
spring lintel
Like “ give me a one way ticket home”
magic zinc
kinda calm about it
spring lintel
“Lets go i am gonna get banned”
magic zinc
His chat however.... oh lordie
spring lintel
For me, it seems he relaxed more after seeing the tweet
Omg everyone on his chat hating on muma now
balmy wolf
someone give a tl;dr of this whole thing?
i have no idea what is going on
just that someone is gay, some guy xqxqsw guy
and a lot of moaning from everyone
spring lintel
So basically xqc fucked up
magic zinc
xQc said "Muma can suck a dick.. but he'd like that though"
something in that nature
Apologized right after
spring lintel
Muma said it was fine too
And he didnt want xqc to apologize cause he didn’t get offended
balmy wolf
ah, so another case of people getting proxy offended ?
spring lintel
There seems to be some friction between mickie and xqc
balmy wolf
ah, juicy juicy owl drama
spring lintel
Or it might be effect
carmine pumice
Fuel needs to get their shit together and communicate more
carmine pumice
I wonder if Xqc gets subbed out cus getting possibly tilted.
magic zinc
xQc and Effect are queueing rn so probably not
spring lintel
I just think it’s this shit meta
slim summit
in my very humble opinion
this seems like a relatively quantifiable decision
does negative xQc press actually hurt OWL viewership
magic zinc
Actually
maybe just a bit?
A lot of his stream only tunes in for him
They're not even a fan of Fuel per se just a fan of xQc
slim summit
right, i mean, not insofar as responding by suspending him
that i think will have a very marked drop in viewership
because i see it the same way (though i don't have data)
all i mean is that, does continually tolerating a sort of designated asshole not actually generate hype
i just can't imagine there are many people who would choose to not watch OWL that are very engaged with player drama
and that this engagement with player drama might be beneficial
i can't think of a very good example off the top of my head but imagine if he had a 1 week suspension that was very clear-cut and Dallas wasn't in the middle of a rough start to the season
no ambiguity on whether what he did was OK, just, whatever, a suspension
the drama & more importantly the match where he comes back would be vastly more exciting because of it
slim summit
both groups of people - supporters and 'haters' so to speak - are engaged more with the league
so the questions i have are:
a) is this engagement measurable
b) does bad manners in esports actually have negative measurable downsides
balmy wolf
I heard the xQc was going to be benched anyway.
I honestly hate most members of the Dallas Fuel so I won't be crying about it
azure harbor
witchhunted? He just should learn don't say homophobic things online, not that hard
slim summit
the majority of people manage to go through their day without telling anyone to suck a cock
hard to feel sorry for him
azure harbor
riiight, joke
slim summit
if i made that joke at my work i would probably be punished
limber pine
^^^
twilit mulch
lmao this is rediculous
azure harbor
I guess when he will use n word on someone black player it'll be joke too
twilit mulch
lmao
azure harbor
I get that he's just a kid, but don't stream if you can't keep your mouth shut. Or leave OWL
limber pine
*ridiculous
balmy wolf
I mean, xQc is in a professional esports team. He should act like one.
Besides it's only for one match.
balmy wolf
I think Dallas Fuel fans can deal with it.
twilit mulch
its not the ban i care about tbh
azure harbor
well he will get kicked sooner or latter if he dosen't smarten up
twilit mulch
its how he gets the worst punishment for any action which isnt perfect, no other player gets punished like him really
nah they love xqc
vestal mortar
He seems like he'd be happier just being a streamer anyway
magic zinc
Idk about that, he's really competitive
balmy wolf
People love xQc because of the memes
magic zinc
I think he really wants to be succesful here
serene tendon
oh boy, what did xqc do this time
twilit mulch
taimou and xqc seem like best friends
limber pine
No other player has done what cQc has done
magic zinc
But he doesn't think before he speaks
azure harbor
Who they? He really not that good. Dallas maybe not Dragons, but still really not the top team
so they can change players
slim summit
it's not like controversy is just happening to xQc
balmy wolf
"xqc is being punished for saying offensive shit, all reddit's fault!"
ok
slim summit
he's complained multiple times about being under the microscope and he still plays with fire
azure harbor
Well, I guess everyone has a friend who just talk too much
not the bad guy, but maybe can't stop with jokes
magic zinc
Yeah and that friend gets into trouble sometimes
azure harbor
or don't understand some social norms
magic zinc
¯_(ツ)_/¯
vestal mortar
Imagine if that friend was sponsored by Jack in the box
narrow dew
it doesnt excuse the behaviour
balmy wolf
lol
twilit mulch
lul i hate reddit sometimes
long jewel
@taraforest#5794 that friend would be cool as shit
balmy wolf
Reddit has always been cancer, mate.
long jewel
^
long jewel
^ pt 2
azure harbor
lol it's top5 site in the world, don't look at /r/politics, a lot of subs for everyone
long jewel
But r/politics is like high key super biased and kinda cancer
azure harbor
well thx to Blizzards there is no t2 scene
you're in OWL or it dosen't make any sense to play pro Overwatch at all
slim summit
so is there just no contenders in asia now?
magic zinc
Yeah that's kinda how it feels now huh
There is Contenders I think?
They have like 140 teams for the open division
azure harbor
Contenders actually don't give anything at all
even if you win
you won't get to OWL
magic zinc
Yeah it gives... exposure
azure harbor
MAYBE someone will buy you
magic zinc
basically its a big trial for OWL
azure harbor
maybe not
it's not like in real sport or cs/dota/lol where you can win your place at the top as team
have to pay 20kk in overwatch
azure harbor
I mean in lol you can get your place in worlds just playing well as team
orchid herald
I think while xqc may have deserved the punishment he apologized immediately and Muma accepted. They were cool with it and then people took it out of proportions entirely. The things he said are also things he usually says, and while they aren’t great things to say, he didnt realize that Muma was gay until after the banter and apologized
azure harbor
ofc it's hard, you must win your regionals, beat some top teams latter and etc, but still
balmy wolf
do you guys think dallas will get their shit together tonight or nah?
orchid herald
Idk
magic zinc
Don't tihnk they will
orchid herald
They’re down xqc but to be fair he wasn’t playing anyway bc he wasn’t gonna get subbed in
magic zinc
Even if xQc was gonna be a sub
this is still a slight mental hit for the rest of the team
like its gotta be
azure harbor
Dallas is a meme team, they picked up top streamers, not players
balmy wolf
I mean it's not really that hard avoiding saying stupid shit
orchid herald
Yeah
But he did say that he talks too fast anyway
Also
Why did he learn his punishment over twitter?
and not from the team telling him themselves?
Also @azure harbor I agree lmao
The team is just celebrities
No actual coordination at all
balmy wolf
Is the team really gonna miss xQc?
serene tendon
they have been doing worse when he wasnt playing 
balmy wolf
a better punishment would be having him in
I could see Taimou (and maybe Effect) missing him, but I hate him anyway.
serene tendon
does effect just like everyone?
jovial pecan
balmy wolf
I am interested about the additional actions part.
What else will Dallas do to xQc?
plus, I hope the dragons beat mayhem tonight
azure harbor
Dragons
balmy wolf
seoul will most likely win
magic zinc
@river birch You need to have it to bet it on something, my man
river birch
lmao
magic zinc
river birch
No but really Blizzard needs to implement a betting system
balmy wolf
lol
river birch
You buy bets for 1.99
balmy wolf
why?
limber pine
That will likely never happen
river birch
No, you buy a lootbox that gives you the chance of betting your money
balmy wolf
lol
river birch
Yes this cannot not work
balmy wolf
I think the skins are already good enough to get money for the teams
just go on one of many esport betting sites
limber pine
But none Blizzard work with
river birch
9.99 lootboxes that allow you to visually customize your bets
magic zinc
Its odd, there are some sports that have gambling partners
And its very controversial
always
river birch
Yeah I know, no fun is vidya games anymore
no more predatory betting rings to entince 12 year old gamers
azure harbor
I mean, how should they work with them? They shouldn't be related at all, for obvious reason
limber pine
My point was Blizzard wouldn't work with one or implement their own
Obviously there's going to be outside ones
azure harbor
Can they even do it? Like bookmaker and owner of the league in one person?
magic zinc
Yeah you'll always have them
azure harbor
Is it even legal?
orchid herald
I don’t think it wouldn’t
magic zinc
If they do that you'll have a lot of talk about corruption and matchfixing
orchid herald
then again
Seoul vs shanghai
Is free money for everyone
Seoul vs shanghai
it sent in the wrong order
azure harbor
Money? You should call cops, coz it'll be brutal rape lol
solar trout
So dynasty, mayhem, spitfire?
I'd like to see dynasty, dragons, fuel, but I'm just being realistic here.
With Seoul and London undefeated and Fuel and dragons without a single win I doubt the matches will go toward my preference.
Fuel is even down a player today, so that's kinda fun.
orchid herald
He wasn’t gonna play anyway
Substitutions are preset
And he wasn’t gonna get subbed in
magic zinc
No they aren't
pure frigate
houston outlaws ftw
magic zinc
You just have to submit them very early
azure harbor
Well right not we have Seoul like top of the tops, some plebs in the middle and Dallas/Dragons on the ground
magic zinc
You have to submit your subs before the end of the first round of a map.
or something like that
solar trout
Weird, I thought subs were decided between rounds lol
magic zinc
They're not pre-set per map
Yeah honestly that would make much more sense
Now you can't really sub based on performance too much, you gotta sub real quick
solar trout
Can we sub out taimou more often pls
solar trout
5pm here, 'murica
magic zinc
I'll watch a 11PM one most of the timethen just head to bed
I can only watch the saturday really; 8pm, 10pm, midnight
it happens tbh
dire ivy
I honestly don't understand why they schedule it so late
orchid herald
Because the stage is in LA, so the people that actually go to watch don’t have to go at 2 am American time so people in Asia can watch
orchid herald
^
azure harbor
focus on NA - best teams 100% Koreans
orchid herald
What I wanna know though
dire ivy
^^
orchid herald
Is why tf the weekday games are later than the weekend games
That makes absolutely no sense tbh
dire ivy
earlier makes it more watchable for EU
orchid herald
At least there are VODs tbh
I usually can’t watch the 11pm games because school
my school makes me get up 6am unlike every other normal school
Feelsbadman
dire ivy
happy birthday
dire ivy
i'm saying it in advance bc i know you'll get a nice 4-0 present
orchid herald
Lmfao
torpid charm
I'm only excited for Florida vs. Shanghai today
balmy wolf
i hope shanghai wins
tight vault
who's ready to see the worst teams ever face off today
full lion
im ready to see tears when shanghai loses
serene tendon
i want shanghai to win so bad
because i hate mayhem and i feel really bad for shanghai
paper forum
Is Dallas/Seoul/other teams just a big Rock Paper Scissors? Dallas is a paper that can partially cover the rock Seoul that goes on to destroy all the scissors, but the scissors cut right through the paper..
paper forum
Er... Map 1 was a pretty concise win, Anubis was in favor of Dallas all the way up to last two rounds, round 3 was a Seoul shutdown sure, and round 4 wasn’t that far off either
Just my take
tight vault
oh god dallas is gonna get rekt tonight
paper forum
Effect doesn’t like losing now so they’re good
wide basin
At long last, I'm gonna see my McBoys take a McMatch
tight vault
oh god the twitch chat
balmy wolf
rip shanghai
slim summit
being that i have been rooting for london and my buddy has been rooting for dallas
i'm pretty excite
balmy wolf
shanghai could have easily been a top 4 team if they just picked up the best chinese roster
tight vault
the twitch chat is just #FREEXQC
balmy wolf
damn shame
full lion
twitch chat is an easy disable tonight
tight vault
xqc fucked up twitch chat he ain't gon be here tonight
balmy wolf
twitch chat is always fucked up tbh
short vault
#freeXqc_for_the_69363th_time
blazing yew
what's up with xqc?
tight vault
55k viewers
tight vault
58k
azure harbor
Counter-strike major
wide basin
I watch on the OWL website. No chat and you get a handy little infographic
azure harbor
but matches will end soon I think
spring lintel
It used to be at least 90k before the stream started
uncut moon
final form
azure harbor
watching without chat
mild flume
I watch on the website..I don’t think it gets counted on Twitch.
spring lintel
Still a lot lower than usual
tight vault
someone said now that XQC is not on the team for now they might win
azure harbor
Kellex KappaPride
wide basin
@uncut moon It's Twitch. It was MLG back in the pre
I'm seeing the 70k figure here on the OWL website
tight vault
73k
spring lintel
Low as fuck
tight vault
76k
mild flume
The food first match hasn’t even started people will come.
spring lintel
Literally was 120k by now at least yesterday
mild flume
Not food... guess I’m hungry lol
scarlet spear
OWL has a contract with twitch, so their page is the twitch stream embedded, for the MLG stream you have to go to that page
tight vault
currently 2nd most watched thing on twitch right now
spring lintel
Boston full korean
balmy wolf
junkertown
I sleep
tight vault
korean uprising
spring lintel
Cause nothing is streamed. Still embarrassing compared to the production value
wide basin
@balmy wolf Yeah, Junker and Horizon not very fun to watch
tight vault
85 k
azure harbor
last math for today in counter-strike, people will come 
tight vault
87.5 hook accuracy 
azure harbor
I like memetown
coral olive
simple agate
Hello everyone
azure harbor
but yea, they have very very strange map rotation
like 4 weeks or something without change?
balmy wolf
it will only change on stage 2, in february
soooo at least 2 more weeks
I think
i see that twitch isn't happy about xQc
mild flume
Twitch is never happy about anything
uncut moon
what xQc drama have i missed
tight vault
something to do with
azure harbor
@uncut moon said homophobic stuff on stream, get benched
balmy wolf
homophobic joke
got suspended from today's game
tight vault
idk
thorn forum
Let's go boston
tight vault
he could've been smart for once
azure harbor
memetown, bastion on attack, residentsleeper
tight vault
first match: 98k viewers
mild flume
Mai!
azure harbor
Mei
simple agate
Awww
azure harbor
tight vault
seoul needs nerf
simple agate
oh wow
molten skiff
Seoulllll
balmy wolf
now its 110,000
worn falcon
wait, waaaait
molten skiff
I cant watch
molten skiff
Is dynasry wrecking
tight vault
pro mei
balmy wolf
@molten skiff yep
tight vault
@hard panther ye
simple agate
Yeah , he runs mei on this map from time to time
balmy wolf
as usual
molten skiff
My bois
tight vault
kind of happy i got the seoul junkrat skin
simple agate
Spicy
outer rune
The video seems to be desynced with the audio?
scarlet spear
sound is fine for me
tight vault
i'm just here to record the viewer count for the beginning of new matches
azure harbor
tight vault
wow boston reked seoul 
simple agate
silent crest
RYUJEGOD with 3 kills in that last fight 
idle beacon
whats the score?
silent crest
3-0 seoul rn
worn falcon
yes
idle beacon
third map or was there a draw?
silent crest
1st map
tight vault
i predict seoul to just go all terrible characters and still win
simple agate
Has symmetra been played yet this season?
thorn forum
Sick
spring lintel
Unexpectedly this is gonna be a good match up
simple agate
If anyone can pull it off it's seoul
pearl cedar
wtf
shell saffron
lol no one played sym
pearl cedar
they coulda moved it before seoul could contest
shell saffron
and I think torb was played twice
azure harbor
azure harbor
nice choking
tight vault
azure harbor
Junk is very balanced hero
shell saffron
get hit by a grenade once, turn around, TOO FUCKING LATE YOU'RE DEAD
polar pier
Seoul doing Seoul things.
simple agate
shell saffron
uh huh, "balanced"
open bolt
goo seoul~
pearl cedar
They had so much time for the 3rd point
but they didnt have another strat for point C
ripperoni
daring widget
they didnt think theyd get that far
pearl cedar
yea
balmy wolf
fuck
pearl cedar
18-1 damn cleanup
spring lintel
Who got 18-1?
tight vault
33-2
spring lintel
Who
tight vault
zunba
tight vault
1-5
balmy wolf
19k healing and 12 rezzes gg
spring lintel
They don’t die wtf
tight vault
first match: 98k viewers
second match: 128k viewers
azure harbor
CS ended for today
vagrant jacinth
Incredible stats
balmy wolf
the first match had 110k views
vagrant jacinth
Boston just weren't changing their approach
balmy wolf
i'm tired of these comps
balmy wolf
I love when sombra is used on this map
azure harbor
balmy wolf
welp
uncut moon
Dynasty 4 - 0 Uprising
balmy wolf
the fuck fleta lol
heady idol
I'm amazed how many "boring comp" comments are on twitch
daring widget
why miro feeding so hard
balmy wolf
it's high noon
brave quarry
So are they like contractually obligated to put sprays down or what?
open bolt
im loving these mirror teams
azure harbor
NA ult
open bolt
except for that one dps
uncut moon
wtf
balmy wolf
lmao striker
open bolt
desperate pulse bomb
balmy wolf
he thought he was out of range
simple agate
What was their ending time?
open bolt
zero gravity fun
quasi stump
6v6 ults
barren pecan
Yo can anyone fill me in on this XQC/Muma drama?
All I see is people talking about it, but not what was actually said
azure harbor
12 ults
wintry kraken
saving ults
daring widget
12 ults pogchamp
azure harbor
@barren pecan XQC said homophobic things about Muma on stream. Get benched for today game
balmy wolf
those 12 ults
daring widget
mumas ego so annoying from just winning that game
wintry kraken
11
simple agate
oh shit
marsh pumice
Seoul is strong asf
scarlet spear
seoul is so good at taking back lost fights
marsh pumice
true
azure harbor
simple agate
My god
wintry kraken
0 ults
simple agate
I thought Boston had it for a second there
azure harbor
again
scarlet spear
tobis valks are on point
open bolt
boston pls put up a fight
uncut moon
this will be a 4 -0 again
open bolt
04watch still strong 🙈
simple agate
RIP
daring widget
wish they would spec bunny
shell saffron
oh no, twitch chat spamming c9
restive spear
Seoul isn't too strong, the other teams are just too bad
barren pecan
oh lmao finally found the XQC "Homophobia" quote actually was, wow. Fragile
compact lily
Yeet
shell saffron
get out @torn wedge
azure harbor
weebs -> out
vagrant jacinth
Lol
serene tendon
if it doesnt go into overtime its a c9
azure harbor
jebaited by twitch chat
vagrant jacinth
People use c9 for everything
polar pier
c9
full lion
the c9 meme will outlive humanity itself
spring lintel
C9 actually getting so much publicity from this
shell saffron
if I hear one more xqc comment I am gonna flip
polar pier
Because whoooooo boy those losses were embarrassing.
spring lintel
Everyone knows c9 now
open bolt
wow
uncut moon
replay powered by intel
polar pier
xqc is a myth.
obtuse spoke
moth D:
compact lily
xqc god
obtuse spoke
barren pecan
I don't really like xQc's "thing", cause the whole raging gamer thing gets on my nerves. But a lot of people legit have it out for him. He did nothing wrong this time, even Muma was like "idgaf"
short vault
thank you intel 
limber pine
!tokens
balmy wolf
!skin
short vault
i watch his stream quite a bit and what he said was completely wrong but he didnt intend to be homophobic
scarlet spear
!freetokens
barren pecan
Yeah, I mean the dude is a douche canoe but calling him homophobic for "Suck a dick" is so silly
torpid charm
this game is boring ashell
barren pecan
Yeah it's a stomp
simple agate
They have sponsors tho don't they?