Her identity is healing
#esports-discussion
molten skiff
grizzled mulch
Mercy is just a bad character fundamentally. No amount of balance is going to get rid of that elephant in the room.
brittle belfry
her identity is a low skill, consistent healing source
pure kettle
ya genji jumped them really hard several times, was really weird positioning
thorn forum
is it 3-0 rn
slow linden
tbh i like how mercy will be post patch
molten skiff
does rez even have explanation in lore as to how it works?
slow linden
it gives them room to shift around her healing numbers
onyx shore
nah
balmy wolf
heroes never die is one of the most iconic lines of the entre game
onyx shore
lore doesnt matter in game
fluid aurora
Removing rez as a whole would shit on her whole char
onyx shore
the writer said it
river crypt
I’d like to see res replaced with maybe a shorter res pawn times for team mates or a massive heal
supple flume
Lore doesn't affect the actual game
onyx shore
they asked michael cu about zen
balmy wolf
lmao it is
brittle belfry
getting a kill is valuable
crisp bane
Pour one out for Florida
brittle belfry
it
thorn forum
why do they not call it now? no way florida can win at all. cant even tie
idle beacon
why remove rezz ?
deft valley
she doesn't have rez in lore
idle beacon
if you don't like the REZZ
brittle belfry
s not fun to play, and not fun to play against
onyx shore
and michael said that everything that is in game,doesnt always the fit in story/lore
supple flume
Well mechanics wise
idle beacon
go play csgo or quake champions
brittle belfry
if you get a pick, it's instantly negated
regardless of what type of game it is it shouldn't be in a game
river crypt
@grizzled mulch blizzard gave mercy the “HUGE REZ” spray and then changed her Rez to 1 at a time, so lore means 0
deft valley
sprays aren't lore either
grizzled mulch
basically.
onyx shore
in game != lore
brittle belfry
in a game where kills are so valuable, having to kill a character twice is incredibly frustrating
grizzled mulch
like I said, Mercy needs an entire overhaul, because fundamentally she is very badly designed.
river crypt
Sprays are part of the character though so my point still stands
onyx shore
zenyatta probably doesnt even have those balls in lore
deft valley
everything I don't like is badly designed
grizzled mulch
what....?
deft valley
@river crypt didn't stop them from removing reaper's heal orbs
edgy tundra
His balls are massive. Don't take away his balls
river crypt
@deft valley you’re right, let’s just keep everything how it is and I’m sure people won’t get tired
idle beacon
again, if you don't like the rezz ability, don't play overwatch
grizzled mulch
Mercy is badly designed because she offered zero utility while her kit scale horribly due to the fact of how little you can tweak it
compact lily
mercy is just flat out broken
deft valley
The fuck does that have to do with anything lmao? @river crypt
grizzled mulch
a character that has like 5 different auto ability is a bad character period.
deft valley
how does anything I said suggest that
brittle belfry
@balmy wolf what does owl have to do with eleague that's like comparing the nba to the nfl, totally different games. saying that the nfl has more viewers means that the nba is dead is not true
onyx shore
remember when mercy was shit-tier when ana was king?
compact lily
she's too forgiving to play and has a shit ton reward
balmy wolf
I dont undersrand why people play overwatch thinking it's purely basesd on mechanical skills
river crypt
@deft valley im not saying it’s badly designed because I dislike it, im saying there’s a problem and they should fix it
slow linden
post nerf mercy allows for a much easier time of tweaking her kit and numbers tbh
idle beacon
@brittle belfry 😄 😄 .. well said
onyx shore
remember when her 5 man rez means "oh god,we gonna get slaughtered again"
balmy wolf
@brittle belfry now ur changing ur argument
deft valley
@slow linden thank you
balmy wolf
ur opinion literally officially doesnt matter
you just dont know much about esports
and ur too bias
¯_(ツ)_/¯
brittle belfry
ok then block me again
balmy wolf
blocked
brittle belfry
cya lul
river crypt
Yay arguing, this gets us places
brittle belfry
every time I make a valid point he says I know nothing and blocks me
and then unblocks me
and says I know nothing
lolol
deft valley
just ignore him
brittle belfry
its too fun not to
deft valley
the more you bring it up the more shit there is in this channel
edgy tundra
Carpe woulda hit those headshots
compact lily
you guys are taking the bait
¯_(ツ)_/¯
deft valley
it's an esports discussion, not a Tax Collector's messages discussion
sand dirge
¯_(ツ)_/¯
river crypt
Ok the back to esports, Koreans always win and there’s no point in hoping a western team will win
balmy wolf
that transcendence
onyx shore
i just dont get it
balmy wolf
haha
orchid herald
it’s terrible I know
idle beacon
@river crypt i will agree with you as soon as koreans won a big csgo tournament or kickass in any other shooter game than ow 😃
grizzled mulch
yeah, about that, CSGO and DOTA2 would like a word
onyx shore
koreans arent that good in csgo and dota2
orchid herald
I’ll see myself out
fluid aurora
haha
river crypt
@idle beacon I’m talking about OW
onyx shore
is it just because "wow this is a blizzard game,we must be the best"
grizzled mulch
KR domination is kind of a meme when you considered there are plenty of other scene that KR don't
for one reasons or another
rare tangle
welp can't see the rest of the season panning out too well if seoul's gonna run over everyone
onyx shore
dota2,csgo
edgy tundra
@orchid herald I approve of this pun
onyx shore
anythign else dominated by other region?
sand dirge
Poor Logix
grizzled mulch
DOTA2 is an eternal duel between China and the EU scene
river crypt
Europeans dominate Csgo which isn’t fun either
balmy wolf
why does it matter anyway
torpid charm
no bomb like a Poko bomb
grizzled mulch
CSGO is mostly EU
brittle belfry
it's boring to watch is why
onyx shore
NA lul
brittle belfry
you know that the NA/EU teams are gonna get shit on
idle beacon
@river crypt not only eu's
brittle belfry
if it was all korean or a separate league it'd be ok
edgy tundra
That was a sexy flank
idle beacon
weren't the brazilians owning alot, last year?
onyx shore
yikes
grizzled mulch
only one brazillian team
idle beacon
which are SK now or were SK
brittle belfry
no korea won the world kup
viral swallow
floor is squeaky clean with that wipe
brittle belfry
cup*
grizzled mulch
world...cup?
brittle belfry
incoming gold twitch chatters saying c9
onyx shore
world cup was meme tier tournament
idle beacon
gold twitch chatters? 😄
onyx shore
especially the 1st world cup
balmy wolf
"omGZ C9!!!1!1!1"
edgy tundra
Mayhem looks so disapppinted rn
onyx shore
especially ausie
rare sonnet
Mayhem are getting slaughtered by the press, this doesn't help
slow linden
lul uber knows it
river crypt
Until blizz solves Korean domination, OW esports will die
viral swallow
aww that defeated look
river crypt
Yeah it will, and it can be solved
balmy wolf
buff the rest of the world
idle beacon
i still don't get why you still think that na / eu players won't get better
brittle belfry
they haven't historically
idle beacon
na / eu just didn't concentrate on OW that much like kr did
slow linden
what is needed is incentive and drive for talented eu and na players
rare sonnet
TBH contenders in all regions is looking dire
brittle belfry
they can't skew incentives toward different regions
river crypt
Why do you think other sports have so much traction and Viewership? Because it’s not the same teams that win every year
rare sonnet
Korea might be as screwed as everyone else now APEX is gone
slow linden
uhh i mean LOL was like that for a while
static compass
I come from the fighting game scene, specifically street fighter, and I feel like in any game played competitively there's always some team or country that's dominate. Japan has ruled street fighter for a long time but recently USA players have been finally winning big tournaments. As long as OWL continues for years hopefully, NA/EU teams are going to get tired of losing and they're going to get better
brittle belfry
EU always wins cs tournaments
onyx shore
the saddes thing about overwatch league is the realization that watching is better than playing
sand dirge
Is this like a North Amercian major league sport where you can draft anyone from any region. Or is this like the Olympics where you gotta rep your home?
onyx shore
look at that pharah seems to have infinite flying time
brittle belfry
nah I still think that playing is better lol
onyx shore
when you play
brittle belfry
maybe watching is more fun for you
spiral sphinx
lmao baby dva gets bullied so hard
tough holly
Rood Roadhog
onyx shore
my team's pharah prefer walking
idle beacon
@static compass yea that's what i said earlier .. na / eu teams will get better next seasons
balmy wolf
watching is more fun for me too
compact lily
stagger the baby
shell saffron
logix nasty flick
brittle belfry
the people who like to play more are playing and aren't discussing that here lul
river crypt
I guarantee you guys it’s gonna be down to NY, London, and Seoul bc they have most koreans
runic stag
come on Mayhem take a map!
runic stag
who says you can't do both
river crypt
Valiant will make it to semi finals but lose to one of those 3
slow linden
like to put it in perspective until apex got into full swing eu/na were actually better than the korean scene as proven by old INTERNETHULK NV roster
onyx shore
that grenade
quasi stump
another choke
edgy tundra
That nade was sexy af
idle beacon
i mean, seeing mayhem holding first point for so long already proofs that koreans aren't ALL THAT
compact lily
just wait for shanghai to actually use good players and start winning
onyx shore
you know that this match is throaway match,right?
sand dirge
lel
idle beacon
and again .. moronty had to use tons of ults to get the point
onyx shore
florida got no pressure
static compass
@static daggerediaz#5606 i feel like that's any major game played competitively lol it's always better watching than playing.
onyx shore
and koreans doesnt need to win
balmy wolf
you seem very desperate about trying to say Korean players aren't good
sand dirge
I'd imagine they'd wanna keep their W streak alive tho
idle beacon
what are those sound fuck ups
brittle belfry
they do have their W streak alive
sand dirge
ik
brittle belfry
if they lose a map it doesn't matter because they won the match
idle beacon
@brittle belfry it does matter in the ehm ..
brittle belfry
they didn't lose to dallas
brittle belfry
they lost a map
sand dirge
ik
river crypt
If esports becomes an Olympic sport, They’ll prob remove the restrictions on nationality/ethnicity so the US and EU can bring Korean teams
onyx shore
nah
idle beacon
@river crypt haha
onyx shore
i heard esport is coming to olympic
brittle belfry
the us is bringing korean teams what
onyx shore
like 2024 ?
idle beacon
stop gettin unrealistic
brittle belfry
ny is a korean team
idle beacon
oh, already over
compact lily
if it's a game balanced enough to be in the olympics
balmy wolf
rip
idle beacon
too bad
edgy tundra
Holy fuck Fleta
compact lily
i would say only dota 2 would be there
river crypt
@idle beacon seriously, in 2014 most of the US team was German bc they were so much better
edgy tundra
That was gross
shell saffron
nerf fleta
balmy wolf
4-0verwatch once again
pallid echo
EzClap
forest wharf
compact lily
river crypt
In the World Cup I mean
forest wharf
how are mayhem even a team
serene tendon
now for a good match B)
river crypt
@idle beacon no i meant world cup
compact lily
ask yourself how shanghai dragons/ san fran shock is even a team
rare tangle
and now end with outlaws vs dragons
river crypt
@idle beacon my point is when the restrictions are removed they will find the best players, and the best players in OW esports happen to be mostly Korean
idle beacon
the us football team had klinsmann .. as coach .. but i don't remember of any other germans in the us team 😮
brittle belfry
idk even if every team was really good there are still gonna be shitty teams
shell saffron
WTF ARE THOSE MCCREE STATS
shell saffron
no, u
idle beacon
i am confused @river crypt .. what? 😄
forest wharf
3-0
idle beacon
and the best pharah/genji player is NO KOREAN
compact lily
agilities
brittle belfry
my quick play mccree stats are better
compact lily
best gengu
thorn forum
is seoul mayhem over yet?
idle beacon
yes
slow linden
i mean agilities has been off form on his gengu recently imo
brittle belfry
yeet
thorn forum
thank god
idle beacon
now dragons vs autlohs
river crypt
@idle beacon Hotthenheim Hertha, Munich and nurmberg
thorn forum
idle beacon
and it's hoffenheim
serene tendon
shell saffron
LOOK MOM IM IN OVERWATCH LEAGUE - Ryujehong
quartz junco
why did dynasty and mayhem play 4 games?
idle beacon
damn soe got so ugly
forest wharf
0-3
brittle belfry
translator
viral swallow
translator lol
atomic scaffold
translator
brittle belfry
lmfao
coral olive
a translator?
idle beacon
oh nah just a translator
brittle belfry
and soe is still a milf
shell saffron
LOOK MOM IM IN OWL
idle beacon
ENGLISH MOTHERFUCKER ... DO YOU SPEAK IT?!!!!!
edgy tundra
Why don't they just give the translator their own Mic
river crypt
@idle beacon brooks, chandler, green, and Johnson are from German teams
idle beacon
@river crypt yea but they aren't german
edgy tundra
Lets go renegades.... I mean.. Go
slow linden
huh houston getting props?
idle beacon
i've understood it like the us team had german players. but us players playing in german teams is something different 😃
serene tendon
silent crest
RYUJEGOD
slow linden
over NY?
idle beacon
the translator was so cute
river crypt
@idle beacon you’re right, shit example I’ll find a better one, but when NA or EU wins a major OW esport league, let me knw
slow linden
wut?
torpid charm
@idle beacon I agree 100%
shell saffron
we all know that 
cdonalds would've beaten them
edgy tundra
My love for monte requires me to love
river crypt
@idle beacon because it’s just gonna be boring to watch Korea play against itself over and over again
idle beacon
@river crypt maybe not now .. but sure in the future .. like that wolf dude explained earlier .. it's blizz fault that na/eu didn't evolve in OW like kr did
edgy tundra
@brittle belfry nope. Mayhem takes the cake there. The skins literally look like Ronald McDonald
edgy tundra
That's fair @tentergramD00D#6348
idle beacon
@grizzled mulch this dude
brittle belfry
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
edgy tundra
They are MacDowels
grizzled mulch
?
idle beacon
just wanted to mention you .. why na/eu aren't so strong in ow yet
viral igloo
Is miro not a starter anymore
edgy tundra
Now look up the red/yellow mayhem skins
brittle belfry
why are they so SIMILAR
river crypt
@idle beacon how?
brittle belfry
get some color variety in there
idle beacon
@river crypt did you really miss all the stuff @grizzled mulch was explaining 30 minutes back? 😄
grizzled mulch
again, the EU/NA vs KR was having parity until Blizz decided to choke the Western scene throughout 2017
edgy tundra
Like @tentergramD00D#6348 said. They are Chinese knockoff McDonalds
viral igloo
Miro not a starter anymore for Seoul dynasty
edgy tundra
Mayhem is Murica McDonald's
idle beacon
i want wendy's colors! .. blue/white/red
balmy wolf
yeah they suck
river crypt
@idle beacon I was literally saying that blizz should fix the mess they created and had several people argue with me saying that it’s not their problem lol
idle beacon
or blue/white?
ye ofc it's blizz fault
i didn't even know about apex until last week 😄
until i've read about OGN shuttin down apx
apex
slow linden
apex was literally what caused this korean dominance
strong lichen
rip
slow linden
along with the lack of anything similar in other regions
balmy wolf
RYU TAKES PLAYER OF THE MATCH
edgy tundra
I tried to watch some Apex when it was going on but my sleep/work schedule prevented much of that
slow linden
lol most of the team was different @idle beacon
idle beacon
u sure ?
slow linden
hell the captain DIED
idle beacon
ye
slow linden
rip internethulk
idle beacon
if internethulk would be with fuel now
grizzled mulch
APEX being able to continued was what allowed KR to dominate
while NA/EU got shit for breakfast
idle beacon
who knows how fuel would perform
grizzled mulch
🔫
slow linden
he was also the person who was the talent spotter for NV
basicly formed the team himself
forest wharf
anyone sign up for the owl mailing list for the extra 100 tokens?
balmy wolf
idle beacon
ye that's why i wrote .. fuel won the first apex 😛
balmy wolf
ez
rare tangle
yes
balmy wolf
just leave linkzr alive and it's an auto win
forest wharf
how long did it take you to get them? says it can take several days?
naive palm
How could possibly lose to Jake Long American (Shanghai) Dragon
rare tangle
jake the long dog
idle beacon
long dong?
balmy wolf
LETS GO MATT
balmy wolf
also I wanna see the jake junkmemes
naive palm
Coolmat is second best Dva?
balmy wolf
Meme on the Chinese commies
compact lily
korean memes
naive palm
after mah boy Poko 
rare tangle
what if shanghai dragons was secretly being coached by Owen Wilson and Jackie Chan
slow linden
and tbh the fact that NV won the first apex almost makes it worse cos it shows just how big of a difference that sort of competition made seeing as seoul is a lot of the team that NV beat to win it
compact lily
saying houston ooutlaws is the best team
idle beacon
poko .. no other dva's worth being mentioned here
naive palm
is a solid team
balmy wolf
Coolmatt?
naive palm
is the weakest
slow linden
are bottom of the good teams imo
full lion
was poko the guy getting dva bomb kills on purpose during the world cup too
thorn forum
coolmatt is prob best dva
naive palm
Poko best dva
balmy wolf
after poko I'd say
idle beacon
damn i have to take a pss .. but i am too lazy to get up
naive palm
Poko was the guy farming players with Dva bombs in OWL
quasi stump
100% 
naive palm
despite Dva bomb being a very easy ult to avoid typically
edgy tundra
I just realized. isnt McDonalds. They are old school Hulk Hogan. Pastamania brother!
idle beacon
100% hook acrcy?
balmy wolf
hulk hogan actually won
slow linden
poko was the guy consistantly getting kills with dva ult in owl which is basicly unheard of otherwise
idle beacon
did he hook 1 time or what the f ?
balmy wolf
4-1 
full lion
poko is nuts. what's his dva bomb secret
edgy tundra
@balmy wolf fuck. I wasn't ready
idle beacon
hulk hogan won what?
full lion
100% hook acc because he only hooked when orisa grabbed someone
idle beacon
mayhem
viral bronze
WHAT
edgy tundra
The hearts and minds of children everywhre
torpid charm
Shanghai needs this W
viral bronze
mayhem won?
idle beacon
yes dirkly .. they won experience
slow linden
i think the main reason that houston gets so much respect from the korean players is cause of linkzr,jake and rawkus
balmy wolf
experience on how to get owned by korea
quasi stump
Florida winning vs Seoul 
balmy wolf
HA
full lion
reality would have torn itself apart
balmy wolf
LETS GO JAKERAT
viral bronze
xqc in owl right?
slow linden
issue imo for houston is teamwork and tank lineup
quasi stump
he's on Dallas Fuel @viral bronze
balmy wolf
there's Matt
viral bronze
oh is he good
balmy wolf
hes... ok
quasi stump
no
balmy wolf
tends to kill himself too much
idle beacon
so who is the dude who skipped school to play OW so much to get a pro ?
balmy wolf
but he does open opportunities
slow linden
is this xqc we're talking abotu?
balmy wolf
yes
idle beacon
lol
slow linden
known for killing himself in good ways
quasi stump
lol at that guy snatching high fives from the dragons
balmy wolf
lets go
idle beacon
are they chinese?
ornate fossil
come on dragons
balmy wolf
ya
idle beacon
where is bruce lee?
balmy wolf
dead
quasi stump
them specs on MG
slow linden
chinese scene is probably the one that will benefit the most rom owl
balmy wolf
undead looks like chinese harry potter
torpid charm
@quasi stump his frames are so nice
edgy tundra
I feel like MG is staring into my soul
idle beacon
this mendokusaii is the kid skippin school
balmy wolf
mg is ez
pure kettle
shanghai fans 
idle beacon
ye i root for dragons
balmy wolf
either 4-0, 3-0 or 3-1
idle beacon
im a big lee/chan/yen/man fan
slow linden
tbh if china can get some support for the chinese scene there could be a reasonable amount of good chinese players appearing next season
balmy wolf
lets go linkzr
slow linden
which could have a large impact on the scene as a whole
idle beacon
where is tony jaa from again?
balmy wolf
green wall vs great wall
edgy tundra
No Sammo. Your list is irrelevant
copper latch
WOO HOUSTON!
idle beacon
!!!!!!
balmy wolf
idle beacon
DIE!
balmy wolf
DEMOCRACY IS NON NEGOTIABLE
slow linden
dragons gonna get eaten alive cos houston are v mechanically good
copper latch
yeah Hanamura would be nice but second point can be annoying
slow linden
like even if dragons were strategically competant they would probs still lose
idle beacon
illios
balmy wolf
idle beacon
no not illios .. the greek payload map
balmy wolf
diya on junk
edgy tundra
Those skins are clean as fuck
copper latch
best looking team
idle beacon
whats the map where winston used to hang around?
copper latch
Jebralter?
balmy wolf
interesting position on the bastion
balmy wolf
linkzr giving it back
thorn forum
yea
balmy wolf
OW
serene tendon
jake what is u doin baby
thorn forum
i sitll prefer rawkus on zen
copper latch
that red oris is fucking mean looking
edgy tundra
C'mon Doa. Spit it out
balmy wolf
MAATTT
queen hatch
What happens in the OWL when balance patches come through? Do they just play around them?
balmy wolf
ow
idle beacon
lol throwing random arrows through the map
thorn forum
hows who alive?
idle beacon
this looks like lowtier crap
idle beacon
lol that spam
balmy wolf
they're walking all over shangai
copper latch
shanghai just doesnt look like they play together as a team
queen hatch
Shanghai is getting shit on right now....
quasi stump
that shanghai red is so deep
idle beacon
jake is some 
player for me
balmy wolf
nah he can actually aim
light hearth
There’s a new sheriff in town.
thorn forum
jake is awesome one of most pregressed [;ayers
balmy wolf
idle beacon
yea i saw his hanzo skill and his spam skill
balmy wolf
undead is p good tho
copper latch
Linkzr really needs more credit for this team
quasi stump
what a steamroll
balmy wolf
they went bastion all the way to the end
thorn forum
he is good but to me, tbh i love houston because of rawkus coolmatt and jake
idle beacon
what happens if dragons doesn't win nothing at all?
balmy wolf
REKT
thorn forum
muma is good too
light hearth
Linkzr is amazing but muma and Matt are also exceptional
thorn forum
wrip
copper latch
OK they have a good lineup all around then. just need more wins for all the great players they have
tacit aspen
how long until Shanghai withdraws from the season?
idle beacon
are they even allowed to?
balmy wolf
lol the shade on linkzr
tacit aspen
are they even allowed to stay when they are this bad?
tough holly
Watch as mid-season the Dragons completely up-end their entire roster.
idle beacon
no
thorn forum
are they tier 3?
idle beacon
to leave
copper latch
they won one map right?
balmy wolf
Simo Haya jr
tacit aspen
They should be relegated to OWLL
copper latch
every league needs a Cleveland Browns type of team
idle beacon
lol
thorn forum
i iwll say dragons have my fave skins
balmy wolf
jakerat lul
copper latch
also, this red is hurting my eyes.
molten skiff
Shanghai browns
slow linden
tbh jake's calls and gamesense are v impressive too for me their main issue is a lack of an anchor top level tracer
balmy wolf
OH SHIIIT
slow linden
cos clockwork is good but his teamwork and ability to 1 vs 1 are both slightly lacking imo
copper latch
did jake just tire from spawn?
pure kettle
feels good when u go into comp and u got a roadhog thats on point with ur halt
queen hatch
What was rhe point of that rip tire?
pure kettle
😄
thorn forum
the reason jake is so good is b/c of his game sense
balmy wolf
LOL
torpid charm
kinda sad cause I'm missing this match but then again I feel like I don't really need to watch the whole thing to know what's gonna happen
idle beacon
@slow linden who's sayin that jake is doin them calls?
balmy wolf
diya on mei now
thorn forum
check it matt can do a poko
idle beacon
poko > matt
balmy wolf
1 min
thorn forum
matt>poko
idle beacon
end of discusion
tacit aspen
i like cool matt, he's good
idle beacon
go leave this server, @thorn forum
thorn forum
lmao
copper latch
Poko has been so much better than i ever thought he would be
idle beacon
@thorn forum LEAVE THIS SURFACE!
thorn forum
i like coolmatt. much more fun to watch.
pure kettle
SAVAGE
thorn forum
poko just gets really good ults
balmy wolf
gg
idle beacon
and matt is doing what better?
tough holly
Not even a single point
balmy wolf
Freefeel more like Freekill
full lion
even the caster flames shanghai
idle beacon
ok srsly now .. why did they even form this dragons team???
queen hatch
How do you put 12 hour days in and still not get to at least poaint b?
tacit aspen
not just zero points, they didn't even make it out of spawn
maybe they aren't putting in 12 hours a day
daring widget
Shanghai is actually terrible
queen hatch
They said they were from the announcers
forest wharf
china<<<<<korea
idle beacon
why are they in the OWL?
dawn bison
are they ever going to put mendo in?
whole mulch
I think mendo is still underage?
tacit aspen
maybe china just doesn't play Overwatch and they just found a bunch of random kids on the street
whole mulch
Or did he turn 18
daring widget
I just saw their mercy get pelted by a dva when she could of dashed to escape
idle beacon
@forest wharf gett off of that korean crap .. thx
queen hatch
Don't get me wrong their better than all the "pros" here in this channel for the most part but against a pro team, it's just sad to watch
copper latch
after playing so much PUBG I dont think anyone in China can actually aim without a bot.
daring widget
Also not suprised jake is playin shitrat
tacit aspen
Honestly think that Shanghai would lose to a team of 6 random GMs in comp
idle beacon
@copper latch why so rude?
tacit aspen
on an NA server
daring widget
More so only his junkrat
balmy wolf
why do you think every single game in china has tons of pay to win
edgy tundra
Junkrat is my waifu. Don't disrespect
balmy wolf
Gaming culture there is somewhat toxic and the government doesn't like it
daring widget
His soldier isnt that great when compared to other dps in this league
thorn forum
fair enough
balmy wolf
like just yesterday 120 guys in china got arrested for making cheats
idle beacon
so they took in a chinese team .. but no real european team .. eventhough there are enough strong eu players. i don't get it
pure kettle
especially with the latest shit of gaming addiction being a serious mental illiness
tough holly
That is some sad Widow stats
slow linden
@idle beacon finally found it https://outlaws.overwatchleague.com/en-us/news/jake-my-chance-show-people-what-i-can-do
pure kettle
im sure chinas government will ahve fun with that
copper latch
@idle beacon sorry i just got sniped by an AK from halfway across the map earlier and am a little salty
daring widget
15% weapon acc
slow linden
took me ages to find the article
daring widget
Whats average acc for junkrat
idle beacon
lol @copper latch 😄 😄
idle beacon
my average acc as junk is 20+
tacit aspen
I legit want to see Shanghai play comp against a six stack of Masters to see what would happen
edgy tundra
Probably about 6%
tough holly
5 elims to 9 deaths on Widow for Dragons. 
full lion
china already sends kids to rehab for playing video games too much
tacit aspen
or 6 randoms GMs
whole mulch
The players on the NA teams are european
balmy wolf
the problem is just cheats anyway
whole mulch
many of them
idle beacon
@forest wharf nobody likes korean ass sniffers like you
balmy wolf
because china wants to compete with the west
and cheats are gonna tarnsh their reputation
whole mulch
its's not that they didn't take in EU teams, EU companies didn't pay the 20 million to get a tea
balmy wolf
so they just throw the book at cheat makers
whole mulch
NA has more money
edgy tundra
@idle beacon that's not true. I love MonteCritso
tacit aspen
"I think I was born to be a DPS player"
dawn bison
Give that man a dumpling
idle beacon
@edgy tundra who's that?
balmy wolf
The problem is more so the fact that people abuse shit that bluehole does
forest wharf
@idle beacon
edgy tundra
One of the casters
copper latch
I dont get why Shanghai didnt try and get a few Korean players like everyone else.
idle beacon
@edgy tundra i don't get it .. how come you come up with casters 😄
balmy wolf
LOL
tacit aspen
I wonder how their players feel about this whole experience
balmy wolf
China really doesn't like Korea dude
edgy tundra
He use to cast OGN in Korea. He was known in the LoL community as a Korea Fellatio Enthusiast
balmy wolf
Even more south korea
tacit aspen
they know they are gonna get dumpstered every time
idle beacon
@edgy tundra yea and? .. i still don't get the connection to the actual topic 😃
is he casting @ OWL ?
oh he is
thorn forum
yea
edgy tundra
You said no one likes Korea sniffers
idle beacon
no
edgy tundra
I like monte
balmy wolf
that red is so fucking bright
idle beacon
i mean people like @forest wharf .. crawling up korean players rektum ..
copper latch
Yeah red is a bit strong on the eyes
but the neon green on the other side isnt helping ether...
fluid aurora
Come on Shanghai, at least get 1
thorn forum
ew
forest wharf
says the guy with the username @idle beacon
balmy wolf
shit
copper latch
I love me some sombra play
forest wharf
talking about dick riding
balmy wolf
jake's taking a nap
daring widget
Jake not on junk?
balmy wolf
rip
daring widget
Hes throwing
idle beacon
@forest wharf i root for fule because of internethulk .. and for fusion because shadowburn and poki freakin rock
poko*
tacit aspen
Jake's tracer....was basically just ignored
idle beacon
fuel*
tacit aspen
he emptied clip after clip into their team
thorn forum
omg
tough holly
I am now cheering for NYXL if only because of Pine and Jjonak
tacit aspen
weird he didn't finish that mercy on point 1 and also weird he just died to that DVa bomb
Jake seems to find a way to be effective but his gameplay really isn't as clean as other top DPS
idle beacon
luminosity gaming are what now?
whole mulch
Doesn't Jjonak play on like, 2 sens?
copper latch
wow
light hearth
Wow a second visor there
dawn bison
this is hard to watch
fluid aurora
:(
slow linden
off topic tbh i kinda feel bad for CLOCKWORK cos his style suggests that he's just trying to find the tf2 scout in ow
balmy wolf
luminosity plays csgo no
idle beacon
@tacit aspen if jake is really the coordinator and caller .. then well, a bit much to freakin have everything under control and do dps dmg alot
serene tendon
went to the bathroom and houston already won LUL
tough holly
How does that happen? Did he farm off of the Raging Winston?
balmy wolf
they would stomp
tacit aspen
@idle beacon true that, but is he the shot caller?
slow linden
i linked the article
zinc schooner
That lingering observer bug with the 76 Visor and the gun placement in the upper right is kinda annoying.
tacit aspen
but is he for Houston?
whole mulch
Jake did really well on team USA
idle beacon
and he was in some luminosity gaming team
tacit aspen
Typically it's the tanks calling no?
thorn forum
jakes game sense is fairly good, that is why he is a good player
copper latch
I really hate how the Junkrat meta takes a good dps off of other characters.
idle beacon
you hate what?
tacit aspen
Jake's game sense is becoming a meme tbh
slow linden
jake has been shot caller on all the teams he's played on
tacit aspen
but is he on Houston though?
balmy wolf
...yes?
copper latch
it is not known but, there is a good chance Jake is.
whole mulch
Oh btw @tacit aspen I checked and shanghai's players are t500/gm
they would def win against gm 6 stacks
zinc schooner
Why Dragons no 3 tank push in on this?
tacit aspen
just cause he has done it in the past doesn't mean he is now. I'm not saying I don't believe it, but I'd like to hear it from a legit source before assuming. I wouldn't be surprised if a tank is calling.
balmy wolf
holy shit that retake
tacit aspen
@whole mulch that's interesting
slow linden
teams don't really like to talk about who the shotcaller is in a sub-based format
tacit aspen
that OWL teams are just that good
balmy wolf
yet he has been feeding literally every match
thorn forum
shanghai just doesnt look to play together well
copper latch
thats a good point Hitan, you cant have just one shotcaller. what happens if you need to swap him out?
idle beacon
fuel vs outlaws in 17hrs 😃
whole mulch
that's a game I'd like to see
copper latch
I-45 brawl!
idle beacon
@whole mulch how did you check about the dragons players t500 stuff?
balmy wolf
that double shot
tacit aspen
maybe it's their coaching
whole mulch
@idle beacon I literally checked every page of the t500 on both na and asia lol
tacit aspen
or lack of it
idle beacon
where? salty
balmy wolf
3:49
copper latch
in game?
whole mulch
go in overwatch and check leaderboards
slow linden
they probs have different shotcallers depending on the strat and comp but i'd imagine that on the comps jake is on he usually the caller
tacit aspen
even if they are practicing together a ton, maybe they just have no idea what specifically to work on or how to gameplan?
idle beacon
oh come on
whole mulch
freefeel is like top 50 or 100 on na
idle beacon
you really went through the freakin list? 😄
whole mulch
mhm
balmy wolf
jakerat wins
copper latch
its lot that long...
whole mulch
its 50 pages
balmy wolf
lemme just check
idle beacon
i like how people are gettin pissed off of junkrats 😃
pulsar basin
usually the support is the shot caller especially zens
idle beacon
i main rat and moira
pulsar basin
you go based on what your support is doing
idle beacon
zens just call the discords
thorn forum
thats why matt is good
idle beacon
so if a team cap is the caller .. he tells zen what to discord
pastel meteor
Why is everyone talking about jake on owl twitch chat
copper latch
that mini dva skin is nice
whole mulch
Jake is the focus rn
balmy wolf
caster is right
placid thistle
I'm sure it's more who the team wants to shot call too, some people aren't good at that kinda thing x)
idle beacon
@copper latch u just like that booty
balmy wolf
they need to get rid of jake to get to the point
full lion
because owl chat is retarded
pastel meteor
Why is he a meme
whole mulch
junkrat
balmy wolf
Because junkrat
tired anvil
Junkrat
whole mulch
he plays junkrat
compact lily
1 hero puddle
copper latch
its true
compact lily
i play junkrat
pastel meteor
I don't get it
balmy wolf
And this whole thing that people claim about it being unskilled or something
compact lily
where is my houston outlaws invite
serene tendon
you cant ignorea junkrat
fluid aurora
Skillrat
slow linden
cos he's like the only western player that the multiple koreans said had scary gamesense and so it kinda became a meme
idle beacon
@Jautice#1511 you need atleast 15% acrcy
balmy wolf
That and people don't know how to deal with it
whole mulch
Jake's also a good soldier/genji
idle beacon
so before u get an invite, i'm gettin 2
balmy wolf
yeah junkrat is the mercy of dps
compact lily
impossible
thorn forum
LOL
compact lily
i posted my potg of my riptire doing some wallclimb and killing 3-6 ppl in reddit
forest wharf
rip
copper latch
damn, that was nice
idle beacon
you need to know the maps and gamesense, yea ..
gaunt acorn
shanghai sleepers 
compact lily
i just want shanghai to win so jake can lose
balmy wolf
i kind of feel sorry for the dragons
placid thistle
platplay on that insta-res on soldier.
zinc schooner
Junk and Mercy changes are welcomed.
idle beacon
to know the maps as junkrat, that is .. spamin walls to get around shields and bla
tacit aspen
GAMESENSERAT
fluid aurora
Can shangai get a map
forest wharf
shanghai just quit plz
fluid aurora
Pls
whole mulch
Shanghai is not a great team
slow linden
shanghai just trying to drag-on this match
whole mulch
they never won a map right?
compact lily
shanghai are pubstompers but not pro players
copper latch
this was the map they were supposed ot be good at
idle beacon
the shanghai playes get a salary of 50k .. who of them freakin cares about how bad they perform? 😄
balmy wolf
So why did Shanghai pick LGD over youngsters?
hidden vault
LGD?
idle beacon
ok time to get rid of sme fluids
balmy wolf
That's the team most of these guys were in b4
gaunt acorn
nepotism, mainly
midnight turret
Shanghi is kinda a sad story. Just think if they picked up MY (Mysterious Youngsters, prob best china team of last year) they would have been one of the best teams
But a lot of drama was involved (alot im not to familer with) and they got this roster instead. Hopefully they can imove a bit throughout season
copper latch
There was some controversyt about that right?
hidden vault
youngsters is another team?
tacit aspen
ooof that DVa
gaunt acorn
there was a scandal with blizzard china
and nepotism in both the world cup and the shanghai team selection
normal iron
I feel incredibly sorry for Shanghai 
copper latch
^ yep
whole mulch
What was this scandal?
hidden vault
China has so much drama :<
gaunt acorn
i believe larry chi stepped down after the rumours swirled
hidden vault
:>
gaunt acorn
https://www.winstonslab.com/news/2017/11/17/retired-team-china-player-reveals-big-scandal-world-cup/
this is the world cup drama
then a similar thing happened when selecting the shanghai players
midnight turret
Its crazy too cause China is one of the biggest consumers of esports, not sure how popular OWL will geth there
copper latch
Between the nepotism, and the recent scandal you get the idea that they were never really trying to be a top tear team. someone just wanted to make money off this thing.
gaunt acorn
they snubbed Miraculous Youngster
and gave the spot to their friends essentially
something like that
balmy wolf
Wew
gaunt acorn
it was on inven and baidu
gaunt acorn
but yeah either way, shanghai is not nearly as good as they could've been
RIP Miraculous Youngster
hidden vault
Poko best Dva? okay fine
edgy tundra
Poko has better ults
fluid aurora
Regardless if you think he's best dva, he has best ults for free
edgy tundra
Matt has better teamplay
midnight turret
Nevix actually is getting pretty decent with dva though ttoo
hidden vault
I don't like the way dva players use their ults in professional Esports
I don't care who is the best dva
But MG isn't close to any of them
copper latch
lets see how Houston does on control point. Hopefully they worked on that this week.
gaunt acorn
poko is the best dva player at getting self-destruct kills
slow linden
soon's mechanical skill is so sick
gaunt acorn
there are better dva players in general tho
gaunt acorn
french precision
idle beacon
so this shanghai team is a scandal ?
balmy wolf
60th
copper latch
"one shanghai player that had a decent game" lol
balmy wolf
Harryhook is at 104th
whole mulch
the ex-coach for these players was chosen to pick teams for shanghai or something
idle beacon
imma read that post later .. eyes are tired
whole mulch
so yeah shanghai is not the top chinese team
they're still like a high level team
but not OWL level
pastel meteor
Everyone is just roasting jake
whole mulch
Seoul is stacked AF though
midnight turret
wtf is Toyota a new sponser or am i tripping
slow linden
tbh houston on paper are really really good but they just have not seemed comfortable with any of the comps that they are using
pastel meteor
Shanghai is getting destroyed
pastel meteor
They have negative kds
knotty acorn
I wouldn't be surprised if someone makes all the members of Houston suits out of something that looks like dragonscale
Just for a laugh
slow linden
negative kds is so nasty to see in a pro ow tournament
daring widget
So shanghai isnt chinas best team
tacit aspen
THERE TRACER WENT 3-7 WITH A BEST KILL STREAK OF 2. THAT MEANS THAT IN THE SIX OTHER LIVES HE ONLY GOT ONE KILL.
knotty acorn
No, not by a long shot
tacit aspen
Holy shit
knotty acorn
Miraculous Youngster was basically a shoe-in, but nobody was considered
daring widget
Didnt they play in the seoul cup against LH
knotty acorn
Why? I have no bloody idea
tired anvil
They're not that bad of an Overwatch Team. Just nowhere near as good enough for OWL level.
copper latch
at least these games are going fast. it is getting late
hidden vault
who was the original China's best team?
daring widget
Who played against lunatic hai in the seoul cup
copper latch
no only 3 of 4
whole mulch
who plays next
tacit aspen
Please show some support play on this map
Watching support play this map is interesting
daring widget
Pls shanghai win 1
balmy wolf
Bad manners lul
whole mulch
lul muma only died once in 2 maps?
copper latch
once in 3 maps
whole mulch
Isn't this the 3rd map
copper latch
yes