which imo is silly
#esports-discussion
sullen berry
Kings row has fantastic point captures, plus blizzard world is not in rotation yet so a second alt map doesn't fill its place on time for round one scrims.
slim summit
My dream map pool would be Dorado + Gibraltar, Volskaya + Hanamura, King's Row + Numbani, and Lijiang + Nepal
which is unfortunately pretty much the opposite of what we're doing
but I really feel most strongly about how bad HLC and Junkertown have been
the worst part about it is that these are the maps we get for the entire season
the season lasts until july 28th
slim summit
um
was it announced what the other stages will be?
I can find a dozen articles saying "The map pool for the entire season will be announced" but no actual announcement of the map pool
so I assumed that meant the maps we were playing on would last the entire season
and there wasn't an announcement of what maps will be played for each stage
forest raven
The map pools for the other stages haven't been announced AFAIK, but it's not 8 maps for the entire season
solid spear
It's per stage... stage 2 starts February 21st
Even then
Not exactly looking forward to another month of Junkertown Horizon Illios
scarlet spear
i wish they would just get map picks
predetermine first map for the match and order of playmode, let the losing team pick their map
like APEX and everything else did
way better than getting forced horizon and the other shit maps
slim summit
Are the playoffs going to be the top 6 teams
or is it like top 3 from each division?
oh, wait, I think I get it
First seeded are the #1 ranked in each division, then the rest are just top 4 from the entire set
which might cause an interesting dynamic between London and NYXL
as whichever becomes the division leader would be seeded against Seoul right off the bat?
and the other has a much better chance of advancing
toxic yacht
I'd like a solution where you can have map banning while forcing a map for each mode
would be a nice compromise instead of this shit
or just do the apex thing, that was fine too
solid spear
I mean
Even just increasing the pool to 12 and having 4 maps out of rotation a stage would be better
Seeing Junkertown over and over is aids
forest raven
Nexus Cup has made me immune to Junker
forest raven
Not every game
toxic yacht
with all of the junkertowns?
solid spear
Bruh I watched a lot too
forest raven
But just about all of them
forest raven
Same
solid spear
I mean doesn't help that it's 3 of the worst maps in the game were seeing most
toxic yacht
it gives analysts more to talk about (especially because they often talk out fo their asses, so maps are hard data they can't really fuck up), because it adds an extra layer of strategy to the game and you can't get fucked over becuase your best maps weren't in the pool
KR next division 
zunba zarya 
and yeah, junktertown and horizon every game make me want to jump off a cliff
rare tangle
by the time KR comes around your favorite team might as well be not even playing due to them sucking so much
rare tangle
not really
because any team being the cleveland browns of overwatch makes for boring entertainment and no doubt by stage 2 shanghai dragons will just be playing for shits and giggles
toxic yacht
ok
rare tangle
if you aren't gonna contribute then don't just post one word and count it as engagement
toxic yacht
ok.
I literally talk about map pools, then you attack my favourite team out of nowhere which adds absolutely nothing ot any discussion, I don't respond to you going further and you then complain about no one contributing
amazing
rare tangle
okay now you are blocked....anyways shanghai dragons will they ever not be crap?
toxic yacht
LUL
real falcon
Honestly, all i've seen of Shanghai dragons so far is pretty awesome
gritty spade
Pray for Internet Hulk 😦
solid spear
Meh it's no biggie
It's early and you'll certainly add people mid season...idk why any teams fans should be worrying after 1/20 of the season
At least you have someone to root for
I want Dafran 
toxic yacht
triple dps with dafran 👀
solid spear
Don't even know who I really wanna root for...just want Dafran
toxic yacht
wot I thought you were a shock fan
solid spear
Triple dps with Dafran on Genji 
I mean I was thinking Sinatraa is as close to Dafran I'd get but he's not even playing so it makes it hard to care about them
toxic yacht
o, was thinking because danteh, iddqd and babybay
solid spear
Idc about Babybay and it's not like idd will ever play
I like Dallas but that's hyper normie I can't do it
toxic yacht
envyus too mainstream smh
I'm just going with mayhem, philly and the glads, in that order
prolly nyxl right after, I don't really like LH that much anymore
not sure why
and nyxl being so far down is purely because I have a big western bias in terms of the teams I support don't judge me 😡
solid spear
I mean I root for all Philly teams in real sports but eh...
And Seoul you know I hate
solid spear
If Dafran was in owl it would be much easier smh
slim summit
i want to root for emongg but he aint in either
naive plover
I really want philly to perform well just because of boomers lul
but i mostly cheer for good players etc, not a specific team
sacred spruce
B)
magic zinc
Shame there's no matches today, would be nice for EU </3
potent musk
Hello, can some one give me 5 reasons to watch OWL ?
coarse stream
I gotchu
balmy wolf
Seagull, xQc, Effect, Hardcore koreans and Souel dynastys
coarse stream
- Watching Pro Play is just like watching sports, its fun to get into it
- You can improve at the game by watching them play.
- The casters are really good and clever at times.
toxic yacht
(*Uber is really good and clever at all times)
coarse stream
- You get to support Overwatch, a game thats great, via just using your eyeballs.
- This is some of the best overwatch ever being played. Dont wanna miss it
Also Semmler wtf
balmy wolf
- Cleavour flanks and tricks.
toxic yacht
oh yeah, semmler improved a ton
he and anders casted OW back in september 2016
it was not pretty
coarse stream
ANDERS DID OW????
That sounds amazing.
Also Semmler has always been a great caster
He just didnt have the game knowledge
toxic yacht
oh yeah, I meant for OW
I was never too into csgo
so I barely saw him
but from what I gathered he and semmler were really fucking good
magic zinc
Jjonak was nuts, didn't he have third highest damage in the match or something?
~40k
modern talon
Is there also an overwatch league team which isn't full of asian players? 🤔
limber pine
most of them?
magic zinc
That doesn't fit the circlejerk, jeez SpriteGuy
solid spear
Only 3 teams are full Korean and 7/12 Have 0 or 1 Korean starters
modern talon
Didn't find a team which hasn't less than 1 asien 🤔
limpid estuary
Every team has at least 1 asian. It also has at least 1 swiss, 1 british, 1 nepalese and 1 lunar.
The 6th is pretty diverse, however
If youre serious about the players, 
and 
are all American and European
Also 
is all Chinese players. Still Asian but not Korean, which is where most teams get their players from.
magic zinc
Are Shanghai a full roster already?
They'll probably struggle to get mid-season signings in if their comms are in Chinese
limpid estuary
I dont think they're looking for non-Chinese players
Like how Dynasty is probably gonna be all Koreans forever.
magic zinc
I don't think Shanghai has a big pool of players to draw from in that case
limpid estuary
Not sure if the same will apply to NYXL and Spitfire
magic zinc
I hope those get non-Korean members someday, they are trying to appeal to English speaking fans
limpid estuary
For members, technically Stylosa is part of Spitfires. Just not a player
magic zinc
I mean he's just a staff member isn't he? Not that big of a deal imo
I'm hearing mixed receptions about him being on the team there
I think its a great way to get his casual fanbase into the OWL
But I can see why people think he got appointed because of his fame rather than his skills
balmy wolf
magic zinc
Okay thats kinda funny
limpid estuary
Its exactly what you said
magic zinc
Do you think he gives them lessons in slang?
limpid estuary
Just a way to get his fans into them
magic zinc
I thought he was PR manager which would be more meaningful
Its nice I guess, only benefits the League
Who's your guys' unsung hero of the week?
Mine would be either SBB or Fury, SBB was consistently great on Tracer and Fury had amazing peels for his supports
I wish the casters focused a bit on peeling more, its so important in this dive meta
river birch
There was a really good tracer but I cant rememer his name
I think it was soon on tracer
forget his team but I remember him putting in work
fervent perch
stylosas shit ul
river birch
and he was more accurate than his opponents during those crazy tracer duels
red anvil
Soon is nutty on tracer
but maybe effect?
you also got Bunny and Munchkin that played for Seoul
daring widget
bunny was nuts on horizon
mighty hornet
How do u guys feel on the fusions chances for season 1?
deft valley
how do the playoffs work anyway
ah i see on the standings page
yeah i think they're pretty safely in the playoff hunt
balmy wolf
Shanghai dragons is a big meme
After the MY controversey they're complete garbo
SD has great raw talent but poor execution
:SeoulDynasty: :clap:
pastel yarrow
Pine is an actual god. Nobody is running mcree like that right now.
primal jolt
im new to esports and have been wondering what scrims are, anyone know?
outer sorrel
@primal jolt A scrim = scrimmage. Generally a casual game where teams can practice against one another in a competitive setting
primal jolt
@outer sorrel thank youu
balmy current
ashen olive
exotic violet
It already feels weird not having any pro games to watch today
grizzled mulch
lol
deft valley
wait till you get to offseason lol
dusk garden
I already miss watching owl
grizzled mulch
Off season will be fill with 3rd party tourny imo
wintry roost
it feels weird not having any esports to watch today guess
rare tangle
it feels weird not having any teams to poop on
torpid charm
I'm going through a small OWL withdraw at the moment
gaunt acorn
it's good we have a break every week or it would get oversaturated
especially considering the season runs until the end of the summer
torpid charm
of course
hidden vault
Do we have a points score website that we can keep track off?
torpid charm
I just look on the OWL website for everything
hidden vault
Yeah but it isn't the overall score
shell saffron
rare tangle
what if florida mayhem spiked seoul dynasty with laxatives
spiral summit
what are some games i should rewatch day 2-4
i liked how la valient played
i heard good things about pilly
hardy tide
@spiral summit spitfire v fusion is a clinic
torpid charm
Philly vs. Houston was good. I enjoyed watching Seoul vs. LAG and Dallas vs. Seoul
hardy tide
@spiral summit excel v houston is interesting in regards to variable performance
from players, that is
spiral summit
then i just watch all of them then
hardy tide
@spiral summit seoul v glad is a great demonstration of brute force overcoming strategy
torpid charm
@spiral summit might as well
spiral summit
i am a broze scub but i am trying to get better, i did got over 1000 SR today with my rankings when last season it was around 800
hardy tide
@spiral summit gj
spiral summit
i think moria is my charater
sad she seem to be a ghost in OWL
but that due to a angle
mercy rather
torpid charm
I finally did my first comp match since season 5 and I actually did well. maybe my hours of watching OW are paying off
spiral summit
one of the videos for day 4 is missing
hardy tide
@spiral summit which?
hardy tide
shanghai v sf
spiral summit
nm new york and huston is mission
spiral summit
ya
rare tangle
watching the owl makes me long for people who aren't incompetent
hardy tide
@rare tangle same
rare tangle
also i heard optics gaming is being kind of an asshole to OWL Fans by making their official houston outlaws subreddit simply a reminder that optics exists and to redirect them to team optics subreddit where they gotta shift through dozens of non overwatch related posts
hardy tide
@rare tangle optic has always done stuff like this, its what the organization has always stood for.
rare tangle
yeah well someone had to create a new outlaws subreddit where people can actively discuss the team
instead of dealing with call of duty posts
balmy wolf
It's really bc Houston is trash
hardy tide
@balmy wolf truth lol
balmy wolf
Just like Shanghai and Florida
hardy tide
@balmy wolf calling it now, florida acquires Runaway this offseason
sour mason
hardy tide
@balmy wolf he really should be on a different team
rare tangle
its not fair that someone like XQC can be so popular and be making money off overwatch when he just screams and tilts often
its equal to a pro sports player being popular and making loads of money despite shitting on every team his loses to and overall being a selfish dick who can't appreciate what he has going for him
hardy tide
@rare tangle emotion can be good if wrangled. but he is the captain, usally players like that are wrangled by a strong leader
rare tangle
like is it wrong for me to feel like I'm barking up the wrong tree wasting all my time playing video games when only the most dickish arrogant people seem to get acknowledged and get a chance to do something with that
forest raven
xQc is not the captain of Fuel
rare tangle
no but he's the mascot at this point
balmy wolf
@forest raven a terrible mascot
hardy tide
@forest raven he sits in the middle of the team, thats the shotcaller seat right?
forest raven
Fuel's problem is that they have no definitive shotcaller
balmy wolf
@forest raven shouldn't that be Mickie?
hardy tide
@forest raven thats the issue with all the western teams
rare tangle
it just pains me when i see players who are suppose to be god tier people i can never match up to making mistakes that even i can correct
forest raven
I'm not on the squad ¯_(ツ)_/¯
rare tangle
like what am i suppose to get from that? when a pro player does something so stupid even a silver level idiot can see its stupid
rare tangle
yet when i make mistakes i get judged harshly and people won't stop saying "git gud bro"
forest raven
That's because you're playing solo queue and not playing with a team of people you know
You're also not scrimming 7/8 hours a day and reviewing vods
rare tangle
well i used to but lets be honest close to 2 years in it's hard having the same team
some of them have left or gotten so far above me i can't play with them
balmy wolf
As a veteran of OW, I've seen and heard some shit
rare tangle
i play so much overwatch that I'm stating to doubt my sheer existence
hardy tide
he is almost certainly in control
thats the way all other esports work
shots called form middle
why would this be an exception
rare tangle
I've gotten to the point where my teammates just goof around and think I'm nuts for taking it as seriously as i do but i got nothing else going for me....so if i didn't have this i probably wouldn't have shit and that's the worst thing of all
balmy wolf
I've played with pros that are facist racist feminist sexist and abusive peeps. And they're blaming ppl cuz they suck
rare tangle
sad to say at times it feels like I'm obsessed with this shit
balmy wolf
Agreed
rare tangle
and earlier today it put me in a real depression
balmy wolf
What?
rare tangle
what what?
balmy wolf
OW gives ppl depression?
hardy tide
dear god, go work or something if you reach that point
rare tangle
its just the fact that i started to realize that video games are the one thing i really know to the extreme and all the time I've built up has just gone to waste
balmy wolf
That's why noobs exist
rare tangle
countless all nighters playing video games and nothing else leading to me never even attempting to learn the programming
stupid isn't it? i try way too hard at multiplayer games and think of myself as insane for that
wintry roost
January 17th are going to be some bad matches then the next day some very good ones
hidden vault
Is there a need to split the teams into Atlantic and Pacific Divisons?
forest raven
For season 1, it's mainly for playoff purposes and scheduling for regular play
In later seasons, there'll be stadiums in each team's city for games to take place so the divisions will be more relevant
fiery swallow
that also depends on the success of OWL
forest raven
It's the plan at current
fiery swallow
tbh they'll just rent stadiums
but it makes sense if they want home/away games to have most teams in the US
magic zinc
Could be that LA schedule their home and away games accordingly so that they only need 1 arena
Sounds impractical but it happens in soccer and works fine there
hidden vault
Esports is becoming so much like soccer lol
magic zinc
It has some good practices I guess
I hope they leave out the tax evasion though
Data Analysts are becoming more prevalent in sports, wonder if e-sports take up on that too (I think they have?)
hidden vault
They might
lavish imp
or maybe its already begun
hidden vault
Since Dallas and Houston are in Texas, shouldn't they be on the same Division? Or not cause Texas is in the middle? If we get a team from San Antonio, where would it be Atlantic or Pacific?
Also Florida is a state, is the team from Miami or Orlando
What if I have a team from say Mumbai? are we opening an Indian Division?
Or if we get a Team from Oslo, Norway, then there would be an Arctic Division?
Questions
so many
magic zinc
Probably not considering Seoul and Shanghai are in the Pacific Division
If there are enough teams on each continent they might do continental divisions
hidden vault
Both cities are close to the Pacfic Ocean
Shanghai is Coastal btw
Considering Continental Divisions, it wouldn't be balanced then
probably America vs the rest of the world
Asia and Europe might have enough
fresh arrow
feelOCEman
hidden vault
Australia definately not
magic zinc
I assume Australia would join the Asian one
hidden vault
Well you might consider SEA in OCE
then Europe would be the least
Right now I don't think is possible because America kinda has alot of teams
magic zinc
I think Europe has great potential for its own division, a lot of people want to watch OWL but can only catch a few matches a week because of timezones
(FeelsEUman)
hidden vault
feels the rest of the world vs America
fresh arrow
Not everyone can be accommodated for with the time zones
It's like early morning viewing for the Koreans
magic zinc
Yeah ofc that's why I'm saying the potential for other continent divisions is so big
cold kestrel
Why do they keep playing the same maps in OWL?
gaunt acorn
@cold kestrel each stage has a map pool of 8 maps
stages are a month long
next month we'll see a new pool of 8 new maps
cold kestrel
Ah fair enough, thanks
magic zinc
Its so that players only have to practice those maps, resulting in higher level matches (and more unique team comps) on those maps
supple spear
Who would win, 12 high level pro Overwatch players or one Junky map
spiral summit
the 2 la teams can share the same building
the 2 new york NFL teams play in the same place
deft valley
but there's only one new york NFL team
deft valley
they are new jersey teams
sweet hamlet
Feta's headshotson Shaz were so cool
balmy wolf
👏
ebon shadow
go dallas
long jewel
Is anybody else confused as tohow Dallas hasnt won a game yet
vestal mortar
I thought Effect said that it's because they are lacking focus in their calling/comms. Not really that confusing if this is the case.
feral wing
Dallas fuel should pick up AKM, Dafran or Shadder2k tbh. Taimou isnt doing too great on dps and seagull has been lacking on genji too. Either that or they need to just run the original envyus squad (without internethulk)
vague hazel
It seems like Dallas has subbed players in and out more than any other team so far as well
surreal storm
@still vigil 0001#0349 i agree they surprised me when they held it together against dynasty but I felt like they could've done better against valiant
jagged crater
junkertown and horizon for another 3 weeks 
On the one hand, junkertown has provided us with some of the most diverse pickrates in pro play.
every hero was picked except symmetra
vestal mortar
I've been enjoying watching all the maps, I think it'd take a while for me to get map fatigue.
jagged crater
for a pool of 8 maps, i'd def get map fatique if i watched every single match
for a more casual viewer, this is fine
vestal mortar
Who has time to watch every single match? People gonna burn themselves out before the end of the stage if they do that. 😛
jagged crater
for week 1 i watched almost every match
week 2 onwards, im prob just gonna watch the favorites
any of the koreans teams + fuel
maybe some valiant (they're looking great but haven't faced a korean team yet) or uprising (underdogs proving us wrong!)
fuel's next matchup vs outlaws is gonna be an interesting one
both fuel and outlaws were initially ranked higher among western teams
vestal mortar
Indeed, I look forward to seeing them play again! 😄
jagged crater
now they're both 0-2, potentiall 0-3 when the other one loses
It would be disappointing either way to see fuel or outlaws 0-3
But still very early. We're only 5% into the season, things can change over the course of the month. Dallas is clearly having some comm issues that needs working out
vestal mortar
Are Outlaws against Dragons next? Hopefully my corndogs won't lose that one! 😭
vestal mortar
vestal mortar
No, it is Outlaws vs Dragons and then Outlaws vs Fuel the next day!
magic zinc
Can't see Outlaws losing to Dragons tbh, Fuel would be tough
Think they can clinch it, if they finally let Mendo play maybe 
echo vault
All overwatch matches so far have been decided by the number of koreans on a team.
If you want to know who will win, count the koreans
Outlaws vs Shanghai is interesting though, could go either way
echo vault
they should get a korean
gaunt acorn
vestal mortar
I am sure Tairong will get them all on track!
gaunt acorn
oc no steal
vestal mortar
Wow
magic zinc
Damn Dray how does it feel to be famous
vestal mortar
😮
toxic yacht
👀
vestal mortar
Remember us when you're famous 😭
azure nexus
Ye
jagged crater
so outlaws along with mayhem, shock, and shanghai gonna be last place LUL
magic zinc
China had some management issues during World Cup also, right?
That whole org is... odd
jagged crater
widowmaker 27% pickrate in pro play, that's a poggers
magic zinc
Not the biggest fan of how the camera is always on her during a teamfight
jagged crater
camera is often on dps in general
esp on rare heroes
but widow wasn't particularly rare this time around
because of junkertown, horizon, illios, numbani. Good long range maps
5 heroes are above 60% pickrate, as in only 1 role (flex dps) is actively switching up
usually between genji/junk/widow/soldier
jagged crater
mercy nerf might come around stage 2
actually a decent amount of mccree too
mccree & soldier very close in pickrates (15% vs 17%)
magic zinc
I hope it comes before stage 1 ends, so that the Tournament Client gets updated with it in time
jagged crater
mercy nerf might shake up the meta a lot so they dont want to put it up on tournament client yet
on live prob earlier yes
balmy wolf
anyone running an almost full OWL Fantasy League?
jagged crater
hope it comes out within next week
lethal tendon
I love that sf shock is .5 on that
jagged crater
get ready to be shocked
kindred brook
Think winstonslab has fantasy league up and think betting is continuing as normal
digital blade
I think dhak from Shock stole my Xbl gamertag
or somewhat did
my xbl gt is Dharak Colossus
balmy wolf
thats a little off
ocean briar
What are some good tournaments to enter
ocean briar
Ok thanks @grizzled mulch
wheat galleon
So... haven't really been keeping up with OWL lately- can anyone just tell me the best matches to watch? (recently) I'm planning to watch a few matches on Twitch tomorrow so it would be great if I could just catch the good/important ones.😋
wheat galleon
Thanks! I'll be sure to keep that in mind @balmy wolf and @grizzled mulch . You've been a great help!
grizzled mulch
https://www.twitch.tv/gamewithstorm AcademyGaming weekly is going live in like 15 mins or so
timid aspen
mortal radish
florida mayhem about to destroy seoul 4-0
limpid estuary
The back of the D.Va
Looks like the artist wanted to make Sombra
But shes not popular
torpid charm
if Florida manages to take one map against Seoul, I won't refer to them as Team McDonald's anymore
hidden vault
How about just one point against seoul
torpid charm
I'll refer to them at Team McDonald's less than I do now
solid spear
they took a map off London so maybe they can
Mayhem looks more like McD cuz of all the yellow
hidden vault
Okay find they look like the bloody clown
But Shanghai Dragons look more like the mac employees
balmy wolf
Mayhem looks more like McDonald's cuz of the giant M on their logo
balmy wolf
Excelsior Widow looks like spiderman
magic zinc
Welp I know what I'll be listening to during work
Not gonna lie I'm getting a little tired of Jake he's getting featured so much
forest raven
open bay
So I'm not up to date with all the strats but I'm noticing most Winstons aren't performing so hot in these matches
Is there a tactical reason for this?
I can't remember who was fighting who but I distinctly remember a winston not switching when the enemy had a reaper bastion and road
magic zinc
I think its because Winston has a bunch of counters, but there is no alternative for him when playing Dive
gaunt acorn
winston isnt as game-changing as he was when dive comp was in its prime
a more flexible meta allows more counters against him now
the biggest change though is dva cant use matrix for as long anymore
balmy wolf
i try to play wonston but i always get killed same for zen
gaunt acorn
meaning he cant be shielded as long as he used to
since it was primarily dva's job to keep him safe
magic zinc
Zen and Winston probably die the most in dive comp tbh, its just the way it is atm
balmy wolf
oh
quartz sun
Why does symmetra have such an abysmally low pick rate in OWL? I think its still at 0%
Surely she's situational but not that bad
scarlet spear
pretty sure shes just not useable enough, not enough to replace a DPS, definitely not going to replace a support either, quite easy to kill
and the ult is easily counterable
rough dew
obviously they arent confident on sym, need your bois like primus or stevo to add that
if you want to see sym in pro play, go thru the old Nv vods on dorado
hulk did a fair bit of sym
OWWC 2016 had one of the asian teams run sym on hanamura
gaunt acorn
her kit is essentially useless at pro level
every dps main would just get more kills as an attack hero
turrets don't do enough damage like torbjorns turret does
balmy wolf
who's kit
gaunt acorn
teleporter isnt useful except perhaps trying to hold point A
balmy wolf
true
gaunt acorn
shield gen is easily destroyed by players with such good flanking and gamesense
and her shield is hardly worth it
so overall she contributes close to nothing at pro level
their skill ceiling has eclipsed her usefulness
gaunt acorn
no thanks
not every hero has to be viable at pro level
they already made that mistake with junkrat
balmy wolf
doomfist needs a buff
quartz sun
I think doomfist is pretty viable
gaunt acorn
wait until his bugfixes go live in the OWL client first
I don't think he'll need a buff
balmy wolf
i dont think anyone one in owl will use doomfist
balmy wolf
doomfist was used
i never knew that
i personally main doomfist
and someone said top 500 people played him for like a minute and the only one who uses him is chipsa
balmy wolf
i guess i'll watch it on youtube
gaunt acorn
he's already played Doomfist in OWL quite a biy
balmy wolf
i need to start watching owl then
open bay
Doomfist is basically 2 different characters depending on how you play him
Theres classic doomfist using him as intended and then there's golden momentum boy that flies around the map
balmy wolf
h's trash when his abilities on cooldown
open bay
If you can master the tech
balmy wolf
all his abilities should have a four second cooldown
open bay
I'm not above putting that to the test
But fly in fly out doomfist doesnt sound right
Its no risk all reward
balmy wolf
he should also be a melee
kind jolt
I think there is blame on both sides
faint shard
hey, does anyone know the schedule for OWL next week?
uncut moon
You can see the schedule here, it will automatically use your own timezone https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/schedule
hidden vault
can we pin this?
magic zinc
I think we could use a few pins tbh
Most importantly: Things like "Why is the 4th map played when its 3-0?", "How do subs work?"
deft valley
4th map is for tiebreakers right
crude spruce
uncut moon
There are some vods here https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCR1I2s9U7L89KSRwjlSLqdQ
deft valley
shanghai dragons?
spring lintel
Tomorrow is gonna be a huge residentsleeper
No, Seoul
Shanghai are not worth it even in contenders
scarlet spear
why did i read that as shanghai dragons aswell, was wondering why the fuck you would rate them that high
grizzled mulch
SHD vs FLA is going to be a barn burner
in the same sense that a car pile up is a barn burner
deft valley
or two dumpster fires colliding
midnight turret
Shock VS Fusion gonna be best match tommrow, both teams on the same level
spring lintel
Yeah they are on mid contenders lvl
balmy wolf
We should probably post the press conferences here
worn cargo
Fusion looked real bad Sat. but they actually looked decent at times on thursday
Just need some consistency
and keep in mind they've had zero practice time -- this week should be a lot better
midnight turret
Fusion impressed me tbh, did much better than i though they would
torpid charm
I was so happy with the way played on Thursday, Saturday they had a harder fight and made a lot of mistakes but yeah they didn't get a lot of practice time. I'm excited to see how they play on Wednesday
slim summit
i'm excited for the upcoming matches this week
much better than last week's matches
we need seoul to be stomping the bad teams so the good teams can play against each other
and we can know where they stand
balmy wolf
what are the predictions for week 2 of OWL?
ancient depot
hi welcome to chillis
slim summit
My Week 2 predicted winners: Fusion, Seoul, Houston, Dallas, Valiant, Gladiators, Seoul, Florida, London, Valiant, New York, Boston
the hottest take is Valiant over NYXL
I actually just got done building an extremely rudimentary (and very likely wrong) predictive model for OWL
I'll need to improve it to incorporate margin of victory and, of course, get many many more data
but it should be pretty fun to see how it predicts playoffs
round locust
what tank has the most value in team fights?
gaunt acorn
probably dva right now
hidden vault
However dva doesn't combo with every tank
round locust
@hidden vault who does combo well with every tank?
viscid orchid
anyone do fantasy?
hidden vault
@Onko#9248
gaunt acorn
reinhardt doesnt combo well with every tank, not at all
thats why hes at the lowest pickrate he's ever been?
reinhardt probably combos with the least amount of tanks
namely, zarya
and occasionally orisa but only really for shield spam/pirate ship
viscid orchid
shatter’s one hell of an ult but only if you use it well
you can so easily have it blocked by any other tank besides hog and dva
hidden vault
Dva doesn't combo well with orisa and hog, Zarya bot that much
viscid orchid
but she’s great with rein and winston
winston is divey and dva can eat a bastion for rein
hidden vault
Actually
Anything can combo with anything it's how you play them
You don't see the Esports team keeping strictly to meta
molten skiff
is it today already?
limpid estuary
Zen is always good because of Discord
grizzled mulch
Zen Rein does work in pro scene, hilariously
balmy wolf
It's that time of year again
hidden vault
Which is?
kindred brook
zen rein isn't necessarily a combo in and of itself, but they are run together
rare tangle
Valiant Mercy Or Fuel DVA?
velvet scarab
whoever you play more
rare tangle
well both are within my top five but while I wanna support dallas fuel the valiant skin looks better on mercy and fuel seems to work better for dva
probably shouldn't have gotten London spitfire roadhog as my first free skin now that I think of it heh
hidden vault
don't get it yet unless you are absolutely sure
Well I still have both of my tokens so I feel like I have all the skins!! XD
rare tangle
yeah I know
i just don't know which to get(still waiting on the newsletter tokens meh)
hidden vault
If you need some advise I'll tell you my personal preference:D I would get Mercy Valiant, that's one of the nicer Mercy skins
rare tangle
dallas fuel really doesn't have a color scheme that does much for my characters but at the same time i already got a skin without watching the league first and I'm kinda wondering if that was a bad idea
hidden vault
Somehow I'm only looking at skins from Widowmaker, Mercy and Dva 🙈
Then you already have your answer
Watch the League 1st
Though I don't think the free skins actually goes to support the team
that's a huge sum of money that that bilzzard has to fork out to pay the teams
and we don't event pay for the skins
rare tangle
well I've watched a couple matches
but i got my first free one before the leagues first matches started so yeah
seeing as I'm from texas though I'm conflicted on getting a fuel skin because like it or not that's the team overwatch league has built that represents the area closet to me
hidden vault
Well I don't have a team that I support so, it doesn't really matter to me
rare tangle
and honestly i feel weird enough picking the London all Korean team as my first free skin
and roadhog at that
probably should have gotten the fuel roadhog skin instead
hidden vault
But from what I see you are largely undecided in supporting a team in the Overwatch League
happens
I do feel weird looking at teams from New York and London but have no players that are from that area 🤔
You are from London?
rare tangle
nope
I'm from texas
its why picking the London skin first felt so weird to me
spitfire roadhog
hidden vault
but you mention getting the Fuel skin feels weird 😅
rare tangle
well because i don
hidden vault
is it because of the diverse players?
rare tangle
well its weird because i don't know which skin to even get the fuel for
i feel like maybe a healer or dps since i got spitfire roadhog but then again i could just go fuel dva
hidden vault
Fuel Dva cause Mickie or cause you like it?
rare tangle
dva's one of my most played this comp season
hidden vault
Why should you get a healer or dps, just because hog is a tank?
rare tangle
sometimes its hard for me to really keep track of whose what character during matches
hidden vault
I don't feel the need to get a set of healer dps and tank, to me just get what you want:D
rare tangle
because if theres already two tanks on the team then it means i can still show off my skin
plus healers are kinda vacant for me
hidden vault
Well for my case the nicest skin count:D
or you shouldjust go for triple tank meta okay kidding no talk on that
rare tangle
honestly though i have a little over 800 hours in this game and being where I'm at in comp makes me feel like I've wasted so much of my life already on a game that keeps kicking me in the teeth
hidden vault
Yeah for the time spend in game, I'm only at bronze I feel so sucky :((((
and we are probably not the only ones
rare tangle
kinda had hoped one of my hobbies would turn out to be a grand profession for me
but i guess not
I'm at that stage where i might as well settle for crap jobs
hidden vault
How old are you? Studying college?
hidden vault
Well 28 is still young :D
rare tangle
i was homeschooled and things just went off from there
hidden vault
you have more then half your life
rare tangle
which explains why i have a crap load of time on overwatch and have played more matches than i can count
when pro's do dumb shit even i can see coming i wonder if it's cause they are being really stupid or if its because after 800 hours you can pretty much take a guess on the outcome and be close to right
hidden vault
Well I believe you still can get a shot the pro scene
rare tangle
man I'm more of an underdog than anything else...i mean I'm silver as shit
hidden vault
If you can see that, you are good enough for try outs
rare tangle
i mean the few times i saw torbjorn whipped out on defense and there wasn't a rein or orisa i knew it would end horribly
but i dunno if that's me being stupid or them being extra stupid
hidden vault
Hmm I feel that anything you play can work, it doesn't have to be meta
rare tangle
yeah but honestly if you have a torb on defense he needs a shield just so the turret doesn't get blown up as soon as the match begins
that's how i see it anyways
you gotta commit to the torbjorn and not just leave him to get his ass kicked
snorks
hidden vault
Yes I agree on that and it supports torb on that
rare tangle
well i got my newsletter points...so i must plot and make my decision with careful thought
rare tangle
meowth
hidden vault
seoul dynasty gonna shit on everyone face it
slim summit
Hi - two quick questions:
Is there any list of OWL results that includes the actual map results (instead of just the series results) so I don't have to crawl through vods?
Also, is there any detail yet about how the playoff bracket will be structured other than which teams will be on it? (i.e. which teams will play which)
slim summit
ah hah! thanks, I was on that page but didn't see the map results, perfect
solar trout
is it chips-hey-djinn or chips-high-yen
chipshajen
wicked sundial
blazing parrot
rip florida mayhem
gaunt acorn
@solar trout chips-high-yen
balmy wolf
👏
crisp bane
Valiant seems to have a shot so far
torpid charm
mental cliff
crisp bane
yup 7pm est
median shore
crisp bane
im pretty sure shes available, just nobody has picked her
torpid charm
no problem! but she honestly isn't used a lot, on Saturday a lot of people ran the quad tank strat to take the 2cp maps
grizzled mulch
rare tangle
honestly I'm not surprised since it's a new thing and people tuned in just to see what it was but this isn't something that's gonna see such success the rest of the way...not if casual stompfests are so often
rare tangle
yeah theres never any good matchups
Only two teams got actual sponsors representing them and one of them was Jack In The Box...not exactly a name that brings you much attention
north tendon
I didnt expect dream from boston to have the best chain hook accuracy
maybe they improved that game, didnt see it
rare tangle
hmm
slim summit
i agree
week 2's matchups look better
fewer 4-0s on account of seoul playing the bad teams
so we'll see
rotund coyote
Looking forward to tonight 👌
rare tangle
only way seoul loses tonight is if seoul dynasty got sick and has to play through the poops
jagged crater
outlaws could go 0-4 welp
ember blaze
jagged crater
cwooosh
magic zinc
"The community is really quick to bandwagon on stuff" 
rare tangle
why does the team full of Europeans have the mcdonalds colors
short vault
torpid charm
Philly
Shock hasn't been too strong, they just need to remember to keep taking out Babybay and such so they can win
vagrant jacinth
Yeah, I think philly will take it
torpid charm
well going against London wasn't gonna be easy
jagged crater
for how little time they have to prepare on LAN, they didnt do too bad tho
so philly can only get better hopefully
vagrant jacinth
tbf their second game was against spitfire
torpid charm
that is also a problem. they're the one with the most problems because people came late, one of their coaches just got there like a few days ago. they have barely had time to practice
jagged crater
dogman might've had the most accurate preseason powerrankings:
https://twitter.com/DogmanOW/status/940043641006862338
put valiant pretty high up there with outlaws at 9th
and fuel at 5th
where every other power ranking would put fuel ahead
but things can happen
nvm they're facing shanghai, outlaws gonna be happy bout their first win (unless they lose if so yikes...)_
vagrant jacinth
honestly, i'm still impressed with how poko manages to get elims with dva ults
torpid charm
I love Poko so much
jagged crater
i didnt even know who poko was
he's from gamersorigin, didnt follow that team
but like uprising, they had some relatively unknown players
so that means they tried them out
torpid charm
Dreamkazper is pretty good
naive plover
I love poko
naive plover
wait what
torpid charm
what happened?
rare tangle
just because I said its weird for the only euro overwatch based team to not have 1 European they thought I was racist and was demanding all Koreans be banned from owl
modest elbow
Well you do have a point*
torpid charm
I mean I don't blame you
vagrant jacinth
I mean fair enough
they're not national teams though so it doesn't matter that there aren't any european players
rare tangle
still though if its the team Britts will be watching live in future seasons at home games It
it'll probably matter then
idle beacon
Good Evening Dudes & Dudettes!!!
jagged crater
dudettes and dudes
torpid charm
isn't Spitfire underneath Cloud 9?
vestal mortar
C9 owns Spitfire, yes
magic zinc
That was kinda weird for a bit
So you had C9 who then split into EU and NA
NA bought KongDoo
Then merged back with EU to become London Spitfire
Or something like that
vestal mortar
C9 Jack wanted to make a full roster for the slot but he lost the bidding war for Sinatraa and many players still had contracts and buyouts which caused a lot of complications and in the end it was just easier to buy KDP.
There's Jack's comment that I like to refer back to.
magic zinc
Ah that makes more sense, thanks!
Everytime someone talks about buyouts being too high I can't help but think about AKM </3
idle beacon
so lads & ladettes ... what game is gonna be interesting today?
molten skiff
imma just catch dynasty game
deft valley
did you collapse the category
glacial sleet
yep
naive plover
philly 🙏
deft valley
philly 😎
vagrant jacinth
Hour to go guys
dusk garden
Fusion or Shock?
deft valley
philly 👏
balmy wolf
FUSION
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
Anyway
I already have a title for the Dinasty vs Mayhem match
"Jacked asian mercilessly pounds Florida hottie"
I just wanna see how Excelsior will perform against Valiant
...tbh I just want NY to walk all over them lmao
torpid charm
I'm ready to watch the battle of the oranges because that's what Fusion vs. Shock it
dusk garden
Who's the most annoying
torpid charm
not Fusion
dusk garden
twas a joke but k
torpid charm
@dusk garden no I know, lol
vagrant jacinth
I'm saying fuel but it'll probably be close
torpid charm
at least Houston will get their first W today unless Shanghai has pulled themselves together
dusk garden
china numba 12
deft valley
battle of texas more like battle for 10th place
vagrant jacinth
Lmao
torpid charm
vagrant jacinth
I agree, I think Houston should beat shanghai
slim summit
i'd like to see shanghai win
torpid charm
I would also like to see that. I just wanna see them do well
serene tendon
lets go fuel
slim summit
houston is one of the few teams fuel can beat :]
slim summit
using the elo system, houston is ranked #10 and dallas is ranked #6
from both preseason and week 1 matches
but that's still not enough games to be very ... useful data
spring lintel
Nyxl vs Seoul is the finals whenever it happens
I still think nyxl are better
Was nyxl picked up as a full team?
spring lintel
What team is it
orchid herald
Also something interesting
Dallas went 2-1 against dynasty
Dallas went 3-0 against Valiant
spring lintel
He said he thought they were doing great against Seoul but when bey played the next day they got destroyed
orchid herald
🤔
spring lintel
It could be just inconsistency
orchid herald
^
spring lintel
This game is weird as hell, it requires so much focus.
orchid herald
Dallas has a lot of big names but no synergy
spring lintel
Yeah they talked about it
If they can fix that, they can win against the NOW seoul
Nyxl would crush Seoul imo
idle beacon
okay
orchid herald
Not quite crush
idle beacon
matches are about to start
spring lintel
Pine is better than fleta imo
idle beacon
FUSION
spring lintel
But fleta has a deeper pool
idle beacon
bitter mountain
orchid herald
That’s also why Libero was seeing way more play than Pinr
orchid herald
Libero’s flex is great
silk merlin
spring lintel
Yeah, and it’s great
deft valley
spring lintel
Fusion are just sad mid tier
orchid herald
They’re very strong
spring lintel
They have been together for so long
orchid herald
Potentially at playoffs
balmy wolf
Lets go Lucio with the beats
orchid herald
But they’re again so inconsistent
spring lintel
Aren’t they the oldest roster together?
And they are this bad/inconsistent
With basically zero improvement
forest raven
What
orchid herald
Fusion hasn’t been together for the longest time I believe
frail charm
LET'S GO PHILLY
forest raven
Fusion is a totally new roster with three of the old FaZe
deft valley
okay honest question
forest raven
Literally have never been a team before OWL besides those three
torpid charm
spring lintel
Oh okay
spring lintel
Oh yeah they scrpped spree
deft valley
the league tshirt
torpid charm
a lot of people
deft valley
yes
orchid herald
Like the logo with tracer
orchid herald
no one
orchid herald
Nani
torpid charm
it's the first ever season of the Overwatch League so most people want that because it's hella special in a sense
dusk garden
wait was that the wrong schedule
deft valley
yea it was lol
frail charm
balmy wolf
and there's shock
dusk garden
lol
frail charm
Boooooo
dusk garden
vagrant jacinth
Haha
orchid herald
What’s the first match today again?
deft valley
frail charm
PHILLY BOIS
serene tendon
those sweats look comfy
vagrant jacinth
Philly v SF Shock
dusk garden
frail charm
San Fran is screwed
vagrant jacinth
hidden vault
dusk garden
wtf nomys name is so long
balmy wolf
this ain't the time
deft valley
spanish names are hella long
frail charm
FLY PHARAH FLY
vagrant jacinth
I'm in a warm bed watching OWL
balmy wolf
also that's par for the course with spaniard names
dusk garden
BOOOO
deft valley
they usually keep both parents' surnames
vagrant jacinth
Philly are here
balmy wolf
FUSION FUSION FUSION
frail charm
FU
SION
HAAAAAAAAAAA
vagrant jacinth
Poko!
frail charm
CarpetBurn duo is gonna destroy
orchid herald
I wanna see more huge plays by SDB tbh
vagrant jacinth
Looking forward to seeing Carpe and Shadowburn again
orchid herald
Like his pharah against Houston
dusk garden
philly fu- ResidentSleeper
frail charm
Best offense duo in OWL? Yes
deft valley
yeah but they're both korean that basically doesn't count
frail charm
Libero was awful last week, right?
orchid herald
no...
vagrant jacinth
Pine really shined tho
worn falcon
frail charm
Pine was cool
deft valley
vagrant jacinth
He was crazy
orchid herald
Pine decimated both teams lmfao
torpid charm
frail charm
But if you have to throw in a / and have someone sub out, they're not the best offense duo
dusk garden
deft valley
let's-go-phil-ly
dusk garden
lol
deft valley
clap
clap
clapclapclap
vagrant jacinth
Haha
worn falcon
phily cheesesteak pl0x
vagrant jacinth
Love these guys
orchid herald
Threw in the / because it’s arguable about which duo is better
vagrant jacinth
They look so confident though
frail charm
I disagree
deft valley
jesus doa does look like joe buck
frail charm
Pine trumps Linero
torpid charm
I've been needing a cheesesteak
deft valley
another point for real league status
vagrant jacinth
Yeah he does
frail charm
I'd take Pine over Losero any day
worn falcon
Nobody likes Hanamura or Volskaya :(