esports-discussion

[slim summit]

https://i.imgur.com/dtylsAC.png

[median fiber]

huh, that's interesting

so a full round robin within your own division, plus other cross-division games

i wonder why there are inter-division games if it's... divisional

[deft valley]

every sport does crossdivision games

only playing in yours would get old

and also pretty unfair if one of them had the generally better teams cough NBA

[median fiber]

do they count equally for winning your division?

[deft valley]

yea

but the division plays the same opponents

[median fiber]

what do you mean?

[deft valley]

I only really know NFL but in there it's like
16 games, 6 of them in your division

the others are crossdivision, but 8 opponents are the same for everyone in your division

[median fiber]

ah, sure

[deft valley]

so it's a fair field
and the most important record is overall, but division is the first tiebreaker

so they're more important

it's a bit weird that we don't know scheduling and placement specifics one day before the season start

[median fiber]

so division rank is first tiebreaker for any overall ties?

[deft valley]

division record yea

[median fiber]

that makes sense

i had a wildly different view of a division as an isolated set of teams, clearly not right

[deft valley]

you mean like European series where they're entirely different levels?

[spring lintel]

I bet that we will have at least 60k viewers tmw

200k wouldnt be that hard either

[slim summit]

world cup got up to like 280k on twitch + however many on MLG

[median fiber]

@deft valley right, with no crossdivision games until some sort of deciding tournament

[slim summit]

and we'll probably hit that many tomorrow

but next week? or in 4 weeks? who's to say

[forest raven]

World Cup got 330k peak

[deft valley]

Alright I gotcha
in American-style tourneys the divisions are equal, so they play each other often

[median fiber]

things i should know, living in the US. oops.

[spring lintel]

I met so many randoms hyped for owl

[deft valley]

they're just split for geographic convenience

not that it's a concern in OWL (or in 21st century)

[spring lintel]

@slim summit it’s me

[slim summit]

lol hi

[spring lintel]

Who am I?

[forest raven]

Blizz is providing incentives to watch OWL

[slim summit]

ummm what was your name, devi or something?

[spring lintel]

Lol yea

[slim summit]

that's crazy

how'd you get matched with a scrub like me

[spring lintel]

I dunno

[deft valley]

do we actually know about any of those incentives

[spring lintel]

They do not exist

The matches are tmw, if anything they would have already announced it

I would love overwatch without ults

[slim summit]

As far as I know, here's the only official word on incentives: https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/7hkjws/an_ama_with_overwatch_league_commissioner_nate/dqt6guf/

[deft valley]

they haven't even announced actual schedules what are you on about lol

[slim summit]

We are currently thinking about ways to reward our fans for engaging with the Overwatch League. No details to share at this point, but we are very aware of what other games do in this regard and are considering our options. 

[deft valley]

season 1 is basically testing anyway

[slim summit]

• Nate Nanzer, OWL Commissioner

[spring lintel]

Best way is to give owl skin points

[forest raven]

The OWL website has a full schedule

[spring lintel]

Cause it’s the only free way

[forest raven]

Check the pins

[spring lintel]

First season is planned completely

[deft valley]

not that

[slim summit]

Yeah, I think that's probably right

but if they only struck a deal with Twitch today (and weren't sure about it) it's possible there's still software that needs written to set it all up

[solid spear]

"We’re also working with Blizzard to develop new rewards for Overwatch fans, including exclusive in-game items. These, plus custom Overwatch League Cheermotes, will be announced when they’re available."

thats about as detailed as weve gotten

[deft valley]

alright they've actually added one

the schedule is kinda weird

if they'd added one more game per stage it'd be a round robin

but now everyone plays 10 out of 11 other teams

[solid spear]

theres 40 games you play though everyone in your division 4 times (once per stage) and 4 teams in the other division 3 tmes

so once a stage a team you play 3 times youll skip

[solar wharf]

Are there any Australian players in Overwatch League? Don’t have a local team to support so this is the next best thing

[forest raven]

Custa, he plays for the Dallas Fuel @solar wharf

[solar wharf]

That’s a little disappointing; isn’t that the team with xQc on it?

[forest raven]

Yep

They're the former EnVyUS team

[solar wharf]

Plus it has Seagull and I don’t want to get lumped in with the Genji mains

[deft valley]

One of Australia WC team's players is a coach for LA Valiant

but he's not playing

[forest raven]

Gunba

[solar wharf]

Darn. Their colours are green and gold though, which is close

[grizzled mulch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/7pa4gn/owl_skins_arent_for_completionists/dsg6jrx/

[solid iron]

I'm new to overwatch

but what is the best team out there?

[gaunt acorn]

@solid iron The popular opinion for "best team" is Seoul Dynasty right now

followed by London Spitfire, probably

[solid iron]

Seoul Dynasty?

I was told that they had cloud 9 in overwatch and envyus

😕

[gaunt acorn]

@solid iron Cloud 9 owns London Spitfire

who many rank 2nd place atm

all Overwatch League teams are new entities

there are no "Team Cloud 9", "Team FaZe", "Team Luminosity", etc

many esports orgs own these new OWL teams, however

like LA Valiant is owned by Immortals

[solid iron]

Ohh

who owns soul dynasty?

[gaunt acorn]

Dallas Fuel was previously EnVyUs

Seoul Dynasty was formerly Lunatic-Hai, a Korean esports org

[solid iron]

😮

[versed sinew]

EnVyUs

smh

[solid iron]

Thank you! 😃

shush @versed sinew

[gaunt acorn]

[solid iron]

I have envyus sticker on my pc

😛

[gaunt acorn]

you might like cheering for the Dallas Fuel then

they are ranked at #3 or #4 by most fans atm

[solid iron]

😮

Thank you @gaunt acorn 😃

Whats your fav team? @gaunt acorn

[gaunt acorn]

i've supported Lunatic-Hai (now Seoul Dynasty) since 2016

so i'm rooting for them

[silk linden]

Lunatic Hype

[gaunt acorn]

i'm also a fan of Dallas Fuel, New York Excelsior, London Spitfire, and Los Angeles Valiant though

but Seoul is my #1 team

[silk linden]

No Houston smh

[gaunt acorn]

there's some players on other teams i enjoy watching, too

like surefour on LA Gladiators

[solid iron]

Noice

xd

[gaunt acorn]

if you haven't already, you can see all the teams + their rosters here

https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/teams

u sure love genji

i wanted to avoid repeats

[tough summit]

@gaunt acorn oi do i post that in comp-d now

or in here

i mean

[gaunt acorn]

i got 1 skin for each hero

ironically some of my most played heroes i got nothing

[tough summit]

1 skin each hero is 100 euro

monkaS

[gaunt acorn]

id rather keep using nutcracker zen

than a recolour

i didnt get a skin for every single hero

i just mean i didnt get 2 reinhardt skins

[tough summit]

i need ALL genji unlocks

[silk linden]

That's your problem

[tough summit]

@gaunt acorn thonk

[gaunt acorn]

otru

[gray flume]

If I sign up for OWL updates with a battlenet account connected to my psn, will I get the extra credits on my psn?

[gaunt acorn]

it says the instructions for PS4

[vestal mortar]

^

[gray flume]

Oh thanks

[gaunt acorn]

Xbox One® and PlayStation®4 players must link their PlayStation® Network or Xbox Live account to their Blizzard Battle.net account to redeem. League Tokens will be granted throughout January and February. It may take several days for League Tokens to appear in your account.

[gray flume]

Delicious

[frozen phoenix]

Who brought back esports discussion

[gaunt acorn]

who am i supporting?

1. Anybody not Dallas Fuel...they’re the team I hope loses and burns. Toxic jerks who mass report Symmetra players should not be rewarded with a position in the overwatch league, and I lay the Mercy fiasco at Seagull’s doorstep for wanting her reworked, getting the interview and consulted on her rework, and encouraging the whole mess.

I will support the team that actually plays Symmetra seriously and respectfully.

Whichever colors look best on Symmetra

[balmy wolf]

The Symmetra thing, was it a player or did they just go into games and mass report as a team?

[gaunt acorn]

lol no they're referring to the reports against stevoo

a toxic otp sym main

[balmy wolf]

And is there any chance one of these owl teams might run symm?

that'd be interesting

[gaunt acorn]

she has pretty much a 0% pickrate in pro play

[balmy wolf]

I'm not really actively watching ow e-sports
And I guess the new application is for match notifications and stuff

my knowledge is so small I have no idea who to even root for

[gaunt acorn]

also my above post was an excerpt from the official forums

im not a BabyRage sym main

[gusty cipher]

just root for the koreans and youre set

[silk linden]

Symm was the only hero to get 0 play in the OWL preseason

[balmy wolf]

Oh I thought it was your opinion lmao @gaunt acorn

[gaunt acorn]

not at all

lol

[tough summit]

@gaunt acorn come mercy rework

or nerfs

i'll start reporting mercy mains

for onetricking

[balmy wolf]

anyway, I thought blizzard balanced their game around esports

you'd think with 0 pickrate would try to make some changes to her kit again

[tough summit]

blizz happens to be pretty

stupid

they attempt to listen to all of the community

mercy getting reworked

was the result of her being op in low ranks

so we get the rework and everyone can tell she's brokenly op

[balmy wolf]

Pleasing both community and pros I find almost impossible

[tough summit]

Yes

But the thing is

their first mercy nerf

after rework

was based off the wide community, or the low ranks I guess

[balmy wolf]

hmm

[plush lintel]

How you like the new league skins?

[tough summit]

That nerf (the ress nerf) wasnt even necessary - what the pros at the time were complaning about all along was Valkyrie being op

so now we get a valkyrie nerf

[plush lintel]

I bought genjis

[tough summit]

I bought all 12 Genji skins

[plush lintel]

What?

You bought all his league skins?

[tough summit]

Yes.

[plush lintel]

WASTE OF MONEY

[tough summit]

naah

[balmy wolf]

@plush lintel not if you're a gengu otp

[plush lintel]

I am a gengu main

And there's a skin that fits his golden swords

Like alot.

[gaunt acorn]

so the hero portrait is broken?

doesnt display the OWL skins

atm

[balmy wolf]

Back to what we talked before: why not make different balance for consoles/pc if symm would be a problem there

[gaunt acorn]

there already is differences

[tough summit]

it IS different

[gaunt acorn]

torb and sym turrets do different dmg on console

ana is different

[balmy wolf]

whaat

today I learned

ok now something more daring

rank balance differences

to balance around esports and bronze at the same time

[tough summit]

always a bad idea

especially considering smurfs

nobody has ever done that in any way that wasnt bad

[balmy wolf]

you're right, a lot of stuff can be op just because of lack of knowledge

[gaunt acorn]

would be unhealthy too

you'd grow accustomed to certain heroes, strategies

then you rank up

and they aren't possible

[hidden vault]

Is it me or there isn't any female Overwatch Esports players

[silk linden]

Not in OWL

Esports is still very much a boys club

For many reasons

[feral solar]

thorin did a pretty good video about women in esports if you wanna check that out

[balmy wolf]

I only saw female esport players in hearthstone tbh

[tough summit]

@silk linden not like i can even name anyone hgh :c

[silk linden]

In the top 500 streams, every time I hear a female voice in the comms it's always a support hero icon

[hidden vault]

Well loserfruit is a flex

Okay able dva player

[solar wharf]

Yeah, because the female players who don’t play support don’t talk in comms because they get harassed

[silk linden]

1v1 games that don't use voice comms might see a higher female presence

[hidden vault]

Bambi?

[silk linden]

Dunno about StarCraft

[hidden vault]

But you won't know if the opposing player is a female

[solar wharf]

Thing is Overwatch seems to have more women playing than most other online esports-oriented games so hopefully this’ll change

[hidden vault]

More females Overwatch players but apparently not for Overwatch Esports

The only Female Esports player I've ever known a korean who was accused of cheating (Billzzard Korea Cleared her btw)

[solar wharf]

Yeah there is a huge amount of toxicity towards female players in any online game and I can’t even imagine how bad it would be for women playing in professional leagues

[feral solar]

i seem to have found it dw

[hidden vault]

@feral solar that's great!

Yeah people act like it's a big thing when playing with females

[feral solar]

it doesnt show up in the first few searches which is weird

[hidden vault]

They go HOLY SHIT IT'S A GIRL

Well the more and lot more toxic ones question the fact that they aren't playing support

Or their skill level

[tough summit]

Starcraft

Has girls

Iirc

[hidden vault]

Holy I'm going Starcraft I'm quiting overwatch

Yeah people like me :(((

But honestly WCIII was a much better rts then SCII

[silk linden]

@tough summit so does Pokemon. All games that don't require communication with a team

[solar wharf]

Didn’t the SC2 comp scene eventually get to the point where it was just “who can do the thing the fastest”

And there were only like a dozen strategies overall

[silk linden]

Two of the best heroes in OW are a female gamer and a lesbian, so I think they would love for the pro scene to involve more women. It's just, esports have core issues with female presence that no new game can do a clean slate on

[gaunt acorn]

see: CLG Red

possibly the biggest embarrassment in cs:go

i'd love to see more women in ow esports however the groundwork just isn't there atm

[solar wharf]

Yeah that’s a glass ceiling that no one wants to break because on the other side of the glass ceiling is a fuckton of snakes who’re gonna bite you and also show you unsolicited pictures of their dicks

[gaunt acorn]

this is a recurring theme for most fps esports

well, that's part of it sure

but statistically boys just play video games a lot more than girls

so the stats are skewed in the favor of men

[silk linden]

False

[gaunt acorn]

i don't mean in hours played

i mean the percentage of boys who play vs girls

this leads to a male-dominated environment that is not easily accessible

maybe the environment will change in the near future

[silk linden]

Actually, the percentages are also evening out

[gaunt acorn]

that's good to hear

there's still a substantial pedigree in the favour of male dominance in high-level fps games, though

which won't change overnight

[silk linden]

Yeah, a legacy of sorts

[gaunt acorn]

it's not like there's a large pool of capable female players looking to go pro that simply get turned down

there's just a scarcity

[silk linden]

Most statistics about gender and gaming count things like mobile gaming too for example

[gaunt acorn]

CLG Red tried fielding an all-female roster to kickstart the scene in cs:go

but the results were... poor

very poor

yeah mobile gaming is not in the same vein as high-level competitive fps games

i'm sure there's some female vainglory pros

or whatever other mobile mobas there are

but that's not too relevant to ow

[silk linden]

All female rosters are usually just ways to encourage more women to play esports, though I don't know how effective they are

[balmy wolf]

Oddly enough there is a team of old mans called "The Silver Snipers" in csgo

or something like that

[gaunt acorn]

they aren't playing at high-level

that's just a bit of fun

they aren't challenging SK Gaming or any established esports teams

[rugged cedar]

anyone has a picture of zenyatta dynasty golden gun?

[round fossil]

i cant open the website rn so how much are those skins

do they come in packs or are they like single skin price

[rugged cedar]

for the interested I found pics on zenyatta main discord https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270037650373607425/400479821240729610/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270037650373607425/400482306650800128/unknown.png

@round fossil each skin costs 100 tokens

you can buy tokens for money

we dont know yet of other ways to get them

actually you can get 100 more for signing up for email updates additional to your free 100 tokens

[round fossil]

so if i sign up thats 200 tokens right

so that would be 2 skins

[steep plinth]

where to sign up?

[round fossil]

i assume on that website

overwatch leauge or smt

[steep plinth]

oh ok thanks

[rugged cedar]

#overwatch-news

[steep plinth]

oh tanks

[rare tangle]

i wonder how many people are gonna buy the skins for the crap teams like shanghai and florida

[balmy current]

shanghai could definitely use some help w/ their support lineup, but not gonna lie Diya is fire

[rare tangle]

yeah but will he honestly do much when against teams like dynasty?

[balmy current]

seoul is definitely a contender to win, but i don't think it's fair to compare the two

all 12 teams are crazy good in their own rights, and some more than others definitely

[forest raven]

Historically, Dynasty is the best team in the league

[balmy current]

but it isn't really accurate to call shanghai or florida "crap", they're just not at the top of the 12

[rare tangle]

on most videos ranking the teams potential shanghai is ranked near the bottom

[forest raven]

Shanghai dealt with jet lag and visa issues as well internal drama

I don't think they're top 6, personally

But they have potential

[rare tangle]

like i feel so sorry for shanghai cause everyone seems so against them online

[balmy current]

they're definitely one of the teams that can get the most benefit from the sign-on period

[forest raven]

I'd say Florida takes the top spot for that title, but yeah, there is some talent in China that could seriously bolster Dragons

[rare tangle]

le sigh

[spring lintel]

Yo you can get another free 100 points for owl skins

Did you guys get the email?

[rugged cedar]

nope

I entered my email but nothing happened

[spring lintel]

Weird

Basically sub for a newsletter

[rugged cedar]

both of my emails btw

[spring lintel]

Weird i got it on one of my emails

It was 1 am est

So it’s late as fuck too

Sign ip by 31 jan

No way i am the only one that got this, lemme check reddit.

Yeah ppl got it

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/7pd60d/free_100_tokens_for_subscribing_to_owl_news/?st=JC8WMB4S&sh=dddbd02d

[balmy wolf]

Dynasty has the best colour scheme

[rugged cedar]

^

[balmy current]

Which skins to get tho...

[rugged cedar]

dynasty only

[balmy current]

Already got Tracer but I'm not sure who else

[balmy wolf]

Dynasty Moira

[rugged cedar]

outlaw moira is nice too

[balmy wolf]

Or Dynasty Reaper

[balmy current]

Oof yes Moira

[balmy wolf]

I unlocked dynasty Moira yesterday

Black mask is good

[balmy current]

I'd nab ana if the owl skin wasn't so good

[rare tangle]

guys i dunno who to root for and i feel like i might do much super research

[forest raven]

If you have any questions just ask away

[silk linden]

Watch all the matches that you can, even if you don't know who to too for

The whole league is good

[rare tangle]

I'm from texas but as much as i want to support the texas side neither team has a color scheme that goes well with my mains

[balmy current]

Houston's color scheme is sick

Though I'm a sucker for green+black

[silk linden]

You have two teams from Texas, be grateful

[forest raven]

Watch this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4ze8jzwFe8 @rare tangle

[silk linden]

Us EU only have that travesty that is Spitfire

[rare tangle]

i have seen some of that

[silk linden]

Both Outlaws and Fuel make good video content, check both their YT channels

[forest raven]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHpw4SqroBU

[rare tangle]

whoever i root for...their skin won't go to my mercy for obvious reasons so either dva or reaper will get it

[silk linden]

I actually think the colors work well with mercy

[fresh arrow]

outlaws reaper is top tier edge

fuel dva is actually kinda nice, would get if i still played her as often as i used to

[golden pelican]

so are points going to be earnable? Because it's pretty shitty that if not, I'm going to have to pay 7$ CAD per skin

[balmy wolf]

Only through buying

[round fossil]

which team has that PINE guy again

who was on widow

[forest raven]

New York Excelsior

[round fossil]

is it a good team

[forest raven]

Former LW Blue core

Highly regarded

[round fossil]

ive seen a few clips from him he had actually solid aim

when does that team play

would probably watch the game

[forest raven]

11th

Last game of the day

Against Boston

[round fossil]

is boston any good?

[forest raven]

Boston is considered an underdog team

[round fossil]

sounds good then

[forest raven]

Has a few great players, but the majority of the roster is young in their careers

A lot of room for potential

[round fossil]

are these teams like mostly NA

or are there EU and koreans too

like long ago there was this team mystic or smt i remember them being good

[forest raven]

Spitfire, Excelsior and Dynasty are all Korean

Dragons is all Chinese

And every other team features a mix of nationalities

[round fossil]

is there still envyus?

or are they disbanded

[forest raven]

EnVyUS is the Dallas Fuel

The EnVyUS team + xQc, Seagull and Custa

[round fossil]

xqc is so weak not sure why they take him

probably cuz of popularity

[forest raven]

He's one of the best Winstons in the west

[azure harbor]

memes and viewers, like a Seagull

[forest raven]

Plays a totally different style to Cocco

[round fossil]

"best winstons" 😄

[fair timber]

i just joined a custom game and literally Everybody was repping seoul dynasty so now i know to NOT pick dynasty 🙃

[azure harbor]

Dallas Fuel can even don't win anything - they will make money on their streamers

[scarlet spear]

hes considered by afaik miro as the best winston in the west

either miro or fissure, of them said that about xQc

[forest raven]

Just because players are popular does not mean they're bad

xQc and Seagull are both great players

[round fossil]

what exactly does it take to be the "best winston"?

is it like just SR wise or achivements wise

[azure harbor]

I mean, popularity of any player is very solid factor

[round fossil]

not sure what xqc has

apart form multiple bans

it is good for marketing and viewers thats true

[scarlet spear]

as in he's a good winston player? its not about SR or his popularity

he plays his role well

makes space for his team

[forest raven]

His team makes space for him, more accurately

[azure harbor]

🤔 I mean, it's like Mayweather and McGreagor fight

you can make tones of money only on your popularity

or your players, if we are talking about team

[forest raven]

Seagull could be making seven figures if he was dedicated to streaming

[round fossil]

i just feel like he is extremely overrated as an actual player even on winston

[azure harbor]

well sure you can make OWL with top koreans only

but it'll be dead

[round fossil]

OWL is pretty dead even so

[azure harbor]

you NEED popular people

[round fossil]

if u compare it to any other esport

[scarlet spear]

it hasnt even started

how is it dead

[azure harbor]

well coz it's not started

[scarlet spear]

??

[round fossil]

most things die before they even start

[azure harbor]

but people need to cheer for someone and I think OWL is not bad in that sense, for USA at least

[round fossil]

a certain hype is reqired to start things off and blizzard sure did drop the ball with the whole esport thing

[forest raven]

Um

No

[scarlet spear]

OW WC had good viewership

[round fossil]

how many viewers?

[forest raven]

OWWC peaked at 330k

Top 10 concurrent Twitch viewers of all time

[round fossil]

csgo peaked at around 1.5M on its biggest major

or more

dota2 / lol way more even

[azure harbor]

well they tried to start as big adult business their OWL. Without natural grow and stuff

we will see how it will go

[round fossil]

330k is very low for esports tbh

[scarlet spear]

its not very low

??

[round fossil]

cant be that high either if u compare it to other titles?

[scarlet spear]

it literally makes it the 4th biiggest eSports game

after the most popular games in the world

[round fossil]

because there are only 3 other esports that should be considered

thats why its 4th

😄

[forest raven]

League is also ~8 years older than Overwatch

[scarlet spear]

^

[azure harbor]

csgo is very very old game, with tones of old fans

[forest raven]

CS more than a decade and a half

[scarlet spear]

CS also gave you the chance to earn money

[tough summit]

xqc

[round fossil]

it doesnt matter , pubg is months old and sold more than anything else

[tough summit]

is really just like any other decent winston

we have better eu winston tho

just playing on eu servers

[toxic yacht]

can we stop acting like only koreans are good?

legit

[tough summit]

Nobody will ever know though

since people only know xqc

[toxic yacht]

they're the best region rn

[tough summit]

Thats the problem of someone being famous.

😦

[toxic yacht]

but it's not like

[azure harbor]

OV sold very well if I remember correctly

[toxic yacht]

being a korean

magically makes you good

[round fossil]

@tough summit that was my point

he is overrated

[toxic yacht]

there are lots of western players better than koreans

[tough summit]

Literally best player world could be an unknown

[forest raven]

Exxu, if they're better then they should pursue open division

[tough summit]

Its not like its only pros or streamers that play a ton of hours

[forest raven]

Get in Contenders

[tough summit]

open division in EU is a joke in the first place

[forest raven]

If they don't go through the path of becoming a pro then they're irrelevant

[azure harbor]

It's hard to cheer for a player if you don't know him or don't like him, even if he's super good

[tough summit]

Yes, thats the thing

They might still be better though

[round fossil]

"irrelevant"

until they are picked up ofc

[toxic yacht]

no

until

[round fossil]

yes

[toxic yacht]

they actually

care

and try to play competitively

[forest raven]

That's literally why I said they need to go through open division and contenders

I already prefaced it

[toxic yacht]

until then they are nobodies and I don't care

[tough summit]

See thats the thing aswell

[round fossil]

all it takes is for their stream to become known enough

[toxic yacht]

if you're that good then show it somewhere

[round fossil]

then some team hires them

[toxic yacht]

people aren't hired based off streams

[tough summit]

What I dislike is the predominant opinion that "if youre not pro, youre worse than a pro"

well then

[round fossil]

they are tho

😄

[toxic yacht]

no lol

[tough summit]

And yes, people are based off streams a lo

[forest raven]

Going through open division is far more concrete than the slight chance of getting a popular stream

[tough summit]

lot

[azure harbor]

MoonMoon in Dallas when?

[tough summit]

open division is a meme in EU still

its 30 viewers

or so

atleast in s1

[azure harbor]

OWL is for USA and Korea only at this moment

I think it'll change in season 2 or 3

[forest raven]

Open Division and Contenders is a promotion/relegation system now

[toxic yacht]

okay, name all the peopel who were purely picked up because of their streams, streams are good for attention, yes, but the people "picked up because stream" usually also actually persued opportunities

to join teams

[forest raven]

You don't need to get big views in open division because you'll make it to contenders if you're good enough

[tough summit]

Besides, the pro players are a circlejerk

If you want someone to instantly get picked up

PR matters a ton

To get into OWL you needed to be 1) peak above 4.5k

2. past team experience

3. PR

[toxic yacht]

I mean, that's how esports overall work. networking has always been important

[tough summit]

Yes

[forest raven]

If you're on a team that wins Contenders in your region then the PR will develop naturally

[tough summit]

So suddenly hosting a random "goo dplayer"

would be enough to get them picked up

with, say, 3k views

Remember world cup?

Blizzard said that was about showing off "new talent"

Well I guess we just get some full 6man lineups

From teams

[toxic yacht]

blizzard says many things, especially concerning the WC. they switch between "showmatches" to actually taking the results seriously depending on the situation

I don't take anything they say about WC seriously

tbh

WC showcasing new talent only really works with small regions

like, every big region is gonna take the already established players

because safe

[azure harbor]

Dunno about contenders, but in old esport games pro players playing with "general" people in very high ranked games and spot talents. For example it was like that for AdmiralBulldog in dota or SumaiL

I think it may work like that in OV too

[forest raven]

Dafran and Sinatraa got picked up because they stream sniped big streamers

[tough summit]

Dafran was insanely higher tier to start with

sinatraa 3stacked to the top ahead of time

Dafran was above shadder and so forth

[toxic yacht]

Silkthread was also kinda a nobody who was just ringing for teams + dominated ladder

is in OWL now

[tough summit]

back then aswell

[forest raven]

Dafran's just

Retarded

[azure harbor]

So I really not sure about contenders, I think teams will be picking up players for ranked

[toxic yacht]

he's the best retard

[forest raven]

I mean that in a good way

[tough summit]

not as a player

monkaS

[toxic yacht]

yeah, as a person we mean

[balmy wolf]

Dafran is OW's Tyler1

[toxic yacht]

as a player he's fucking scary

[tough summit]

i keep getting games with him

[forest raven]

I meant retarded as in "retardedly good"

[tough summit]

on all my smurfs

[toxic yacht]

ah, retardedly good

well, both applies

[forest raven]

I want Dafran in OWL just so I can see him against players like Fleta

[toxic yacht]

contenders is gonna be with teams who secured previous spots + open division

iirc

[forest raven]

Yeah

[scarlet spear]

Dafran in mayhem for the real McD cosplay

[toxic yacht]

so the Open division teams are gonna have a chance to actually showcase new talent

teams that own spots also to a degree

since a lot of players from there got picked up

by OWL

or the teams just disbanded

[forest raven]

NA 2018 Contendies season 1 participants https://i.imgur.com/trM0Hw7.png

[toxic yacht]

*S2

👀

[forest raven]

2018 season 1

[toxic yacht]

oh

hek off

ihy

[forest raven]

EU https://i.imgur.com/XTO96C8.png

KR https://i.imgur.com/UBRzDrg.png

[azure harbor]

no old esport clans

[forest raven]

EnVyUS and OpTic are in OWL, so

C9 too

[toxic yacht]

faze is in open divison

[forest raven]

And Misfits

[toxic yacht]

liquid is planning on returning to OW iirc

[forest raven]

Liquid died because Quake came out lul

Now Quake's dead again

[toxic yacht]

ye they never pulled out

which was impressive

even when they were underperforming

glares at fnatic

[azure harbor]

Liquid is very strong in dota and starcraft(lul)

[toxic yacht]

fnatic actually tried to buy the london spot for OWL

[forest raven]

Liquid was finally getting good

[toxic yacht]

c9 got it tho

[forest raven]

And then Quake happened

C9 stuck out OW too

And they never won anything after beta

[azure harbor]

C9 is a meme team

[toxic yacht]

tfw surefour literally never won anything relevant

[forest raven]

I still love him

[toxic yacht]

saem

legit, watching some of the old old c9 games was just sad

surefour was doing everything

literally breaking his back

and they were still losing

[azure harbor]

[forest raven]

LETS GO CHAMP™

[toxic yacht]

lul reaver

[scarlet spear]

its fine, imagine if they won everything and stuck around for OWL now, we would have never gotten that video of surefour in a purple wig handling a shakeweight

[toxic yacht]

oh yeah, NRG is another big org that's in OWL

[scarlet spear]

we are the real winners here

[forest raven]

It's true

GLA is the most team

And I love it so much

[scarlet spear]

yeah, brings them across as a fun team

but thats to be expected with s4 on the team

[toxic yacht]

the c9 spirit lives on lul

[forest raven]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/375833363493289989/400604306090360832/image.gif

😍

[toxic yacht]

[forest raven]

I remember Mendo told a story of when he first met Surefour

He said that Surefour grabbed his crotch and said hi

[toxic yacht]

wat

LUL

[azure harbor]

[forest raven]

He told it on Ult Advantage

[toxic yacht]

oh yeah I haven't watched that episode yet

for some reason

[silk linden]

that's child abuse

or just good old straight male gamer bonding

[forest raven]

The latter

[gusty cipher]

its six weeks of mercy until any patch changes are coming to owl, right?

[forest raven]

Yep @gusty cipher

Each stage will remain on the same patch throughout the entirety of the stage

[gusty cipher]

i wonder if they have any kind of threshold for the owl patches tho, like if sth coming broken out of ptr

[forest raven]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[gusty cipher]

¯_(ツ)_/¯ indeed

[forest raven]

Something like that is a solid "wait and see"

[solid spear]

If they play with old Mercy this entire stage I will scream

[forest raven]

They will

[grizzled mulch]

time to scream, @solid spear

also https://twitter.com/calmdownriley/status/950858546656239616

DallasCowboys255 (@calmdownriley)

Well I got the full @NYXL set let's get it

Twitter

[solid spear]

What about it

[grizzled mulch]

nah just want to point out that he brought the whole set

for a product that people said "none will buy"

[deft valley]

literally no one said that

and a few whales don't disprove the poitn anyway

[silk linden]

lots of people that say "no one will buy 5$ skins". All people with degrees in Marketing for sure

[gaunt acorn]

those people are the same morons that whine on the forums about how esports is ruining the game and mercy didn't need a nerf

aka white noise

[silk linden]

I think it's a different subset of morons

it's more like the esport equivalent of the old slightly drunk guys at the bar yelling at the TV screen that they'd be better manager for their favorite football team than the current one

everyone is a financial expert apparently

[serene owl]

Casual reminder to everyone that you can get an extra 100 free tokens by temporarily registering to get emails for OWL without paying more. Just unsubscribe afterwards. It's useful if you don't want to feed Blizzard's cashgrab scheme. https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/promos/inaugural-team-skins-tokens

[velvet scarab]

k

[silk linden]

people feel iffy about giving their emails away knowing they will be shared with third parties, but I guess spam filters are there for you

[grizzled mulch]

Lol Cashgrab, again

I guess some people cant be persuade

[limber pine]

play nice kids

[serene owl]

Any info you give to OWL you already gave to Blizzard so...

@grizzled mulch unless the money goes directly to the players then it's a cashgrab. Trickle down economics is a lie.

[balmy wolf]

TFW London/UK team has 12 koreans on it

[serene owl]

Koreans are the only brits they could find that are good at the game

[grizzled mulch]

Money from the skin is to the players, what are you talking ?

[silk linden]

they could have at least fielded EU players in the only EU team

[serene owl]

What is up with Britain being awful at video games in general? I can't think of a single british person who has notable standing in any eSport

@grizzled mulch there is nothing right now that says that the money will go to the players. "Teams" refers to orgs, not players.

[uneven flax]

Isn't boombox like the only uk player in owl

Or are there more

[balmy wolf]

LA Gladiators, not a singe person from LA or USA...

is this a joke

[serene owl]

No, it's a 20 mil buy in for a name

[balmy wolf]

im just getting into this owl thing

it makes no sense to me

[serene owl]

I'm surprised there's even a brit in OWL to be quite honest

Yeah, they didn't really explain how any of it works.

Probably runs off of some antiquated sports system from the 1850s

[balmy wolf]

so London Spitfires is owned by cloud nine?

[solid spear]

Numlocked and Boombox

[serene owl]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overwatch_League

[balmy wolf]

why cant cloud 9 just go as cloud nine? why the random name

[serene owl]

This page says which organizations actually own which teams

@grizzled hazel#1548 it's part of the 20 million dollar buy in

[uneven flax]

Two GB players in owl

[serene owl]

Overwatch is trying to pretend to be a sport to get the cash from idiots who think it's a sport

[uneven flax]

Numlocked and boombox

[serene owl]

Color me the british flag I must daresay I am astounded, @uneven flax

[uneven flax]

I thought it was only one

But damn TWO

[serene owl]

Like, that is actually terrifying

[uneven flax]

I actually knew who boombox is he's a god zen

[serene owl]

It means either one of two things:
A) Britain has finally gotten gud
or
B) The barrier for entry for OWL is literally who has cash

[uneven flax]

Idk who numlocked is though

[serene owl]

Just like the numlock key, he will never be remembered ;~;7

[grizzled mulch]

......

[limber pine]

numlocked is a tank player

been around for a while

[grizzled mulch]

OWL is not a cash grab

[limber pine]

Boombox is one of the best offensive Zenyatta's I've seen

[grizzled mulch]

But explaining why while im driving is lethal so I digress

[serene owl]

@grizzled mulch once Blizzard reveals that the money actually goes directly to the players then I will say that it is not a cashgrab. Trickle down economics is a lie.

Also stop writing while driving you nerd

[grizzled mulch]

Revenue sharing hello??

[serene owl]

OW is not worth your life

[gaunt acorn]

they are sharing all the skin revenue

[serene owl]

Where?

I want to see the statement where the cash goes directly to players

[balmy wolf]

I’m going to be honest, I don’t see how the OWL will be making any profit

[naive plover]

i just hope itll be successful because it would mean a lot for the scene

[balmy wolf]

Like not many fans are really going to be interested in purchasing merchandise or even team skins for $5

[serene owl]

I hope it crashes so that Blizzard learns that just because they fucked up StarCraft doesn't mean they should fuck up Overwatch

[balmy wolf]

How are they fucking up OW?

[naive plover]

i mean

[velvet scarab]

@balmy wolf ads, merch, ticket sales

[naive plover]

ive seen people buy stuff already

a lot of people want to go there

[velvet scarab]

just like any other sport

[gaunt acorn]

what a lousy attitude

[limber pine]

in a game where users spend hundreds of dollars on lootcrates, I don't see any reason why ppl wouldn't want to by OWL skins

[grizzled mulch]

I mean, why would they want to expose their contract worth of millions is beyond me

[naive plover]

a lot of people just want the skins but dont care about owl

[serene owl]

They pretty much will make money, but whether or not they do so through ethical means is the problem.

[gaunt acorn]

yeah let's encourage the death of our games longevity as come-uppance for past mistakes

great thinking

[naive plover]

[serene owl]

It's already bad enough that OW is filled with skinner boxes. Watching Blizzard milk whales is sad

@gaunt acorn OW will exist with or without OWL. It's a casual game first and foremost

[balmy wolf]

I have no idea what your even talking about

[naive plover]

Not half as sad as your attitude tbh

[balmy wolf]

Milking whales?

Do whales even have milk?

[serene owl]

Don't pretend that OWL is at all relevant to the long term success of OW

[gaunt acorn]

yeah all those sports teams milking idiot fans into buying jerseys

yeah it most certainly is

esports will explode in the next 10 yrs

ow can be at the forefront of this

[naive plover]

and idk about you, but id be very happy to see that happen

[gaunt acorn]

OWL will absolutely keep OW alive in the coming years

[serene owl]

@balmy wolf 'whale' is a term for people with too much cash that spend too much money on games.

It's what drives the pay to win (free to play) mobile industry

[velvet scarab]

Yeah showing the game at the highest level to a much larger audience isn't going to help the longevity of the game sure

[gaunt acorn]

this is hardly comparable to that market

[balmy wolf]

OWL IS relevant, not only are they taking a step to expand the viewership and play base of their game, but Blizzard is becoming a Pioneer for modern day esports.

[serene owl]

@gaunt acorn Lootcrates will keep OW alive in the next few years regardless of whether or not OWL is a thing

[gaunt acorn]

wholeheartedly disagree

[magic zinc]

These are purely cosmetic, in mobile games whales whale to stay atop of the rankings

[gaunt acorn]

like yolt said

[serene owl]

@balmy wolf Blizzard is doing literally nothing to eSports that other organizations have not done before. Don't give them too much credit.

[naive plover]

but with only lootboxes you wont keep the game alive

lol

you cant compare the two

[gaunt acorn]

that's not at all true

[serene owl]

@naive plover CS:GO, TF2, and DOTA all run purely on lootboxes

i don't see why OW can't

:)

[naive plover]

[gaunt acorn]

you can gave an opinion but now you're just misrepresenting the truth

[serene owl]

Too many Blizzard apologists, feels like I'm in a WoW thread.

[balmy wolf]

What other org has put this much effort into advertising, organization, structure, and player comfort?

[gaunt acorn]

you're in the OW esports channel

[serene owl]

@balmy wolf Valve?

Riot?

Ever heard of Dota or League of Legends?

[gaunt acorn]

are you willingly ignorant of that fact

[serene owl]

Criticizing OW as an eSport is part of eSport discussion @gaunt acorn. This is /r/Overwatch not /r/OverwatchCirclejerk. Correct?

[balmy wolf]

Obviously I have, but they haven’t even advertised as much as blizzard has

[serene owl]

I mean, I saw CS:GO and Rocket League on television at work. Not sure about Overwatch

[naive plover]

yeah or maybe theres a reason why people dont agree with you and it has nothing to do with blizzard circlejerking @serene owl

[grizzled mulch]

I found it amusing that magnates who built empire worth billions now investing in OWL are just "whales" now. They didnt built their shit by luck and they certainly didnt investing in OWL by heresay

[serene owl]

They don't need to advertize, they are already well set in place.

[naive plover]

:Think:

[magic zinc]

World Cup was broadcasted on Disney XD iirc

[gaunt acorn]

you just asked why everyone is disagreeing with you, labelling then blizzard apologists

[balmy wolf]

You go to every major city and you’ll find a banner of the OWL

[serene owl]

@gaunt acorn and you were portraying me as someone who isn't discussing the subject of Overwatch eSports.

[magic zinc]

Sure there are points to criticize OWL over but i dont think advertising is one of them

[serene owl]

I'll label you as much as you label me.

Capiche?

[balmy wolf]

@magic zinc wait really? It was broadcasted on Disney???

[gaunt acorn]

i never said that

and id appreciate if you stopped being so passive aggressive

[magic zinc]

I heard something about that yeah, dont quote me on it thoug

[velvet scarab]

lmfaoo he really just said "capiche"

I'm done

[long hill]

does anybody know who will be playing genji on seoul dynasty? will it be fleta since he seems to be the projectile dps?

[balmy wolf]

According to the investors meeting, the CFO said that it will take some time before they see any signs of real profit

[magic zinc]

Jehong plays Genji a bit lololol

[balmy wolf]

Hopefully the article I was ready is wrong

[gaunt acorn]

their goal is long-term viability and profits, yes

with an emergence of esports as a 'real sport'

[balmy wolf]

@long hill it may be fleta, but keep in mind that he plays a damn good hitscan as well

[serene owl]

OWL is more or less just a monopoly built out of Blizzard's failure to properly maintain StarCraft 2's scene after their failure to actually control SC:BW's scene at all.
I will say that I personally hope that there is no return investment. OWL is just as awful as WESA and people should not support it.

Blizzard needs to stop taking extremes and understand the point of middle grounds in terms of control over eSports. That's all.

[magic zinc]

They probably won't have profits right away, they'll have viewership sure but the fact that they had trouble selling out a 450-seat arena shows we're not quite up there yet

[serene owl]

^

[forest raven]

450 seat arena during a week day when there were fires less than 100km away

[serene owl]

"The arena will be literally on fire" -Blizzard PR guy, trying to hype the venue

[magic zinc]

Ah I didn't know about the fires

[grizzled mulch]

They sold out their arena the opening day wtf are you on about??

[civic estuary]

Its going to do well , they will sell alot of seats every match

[magic zinc]

It took until ~2 days ago and the venue isn't exactly big

Hopefully in the future an arena of that size will be sold out the day the tickets are up

[civic estuary]

well after everyone sees if the league does well this season, im sure it will blow up

[gaunt acorn]

could you stop scapegoating every dissenting opinion as blizzard apologists/PR please

[civic estuary]

just depends on how it goes

[gaunt acorn]

you aren't adding to the discussion at that point

[magic zinc]

Yeah I hope so too, and thats when the profits roll in

[civic estuary]

Ill have to go check it out pretty soon.. Im only 20 minutes away from burbank so might as well

[serene owl]

@gaunt acorn you have to specify who you are talking to. I, or anyone else I see, have not mentioned apologists at all. Unless you simply misunderstood a joke

[magic zinc]

That "This is how we do it in Burbank" was gold

I love the casters

[gaunt acorn]

I'm talking to you

[serene owl]

With all due respect, and I mean this in earnest, that was blatantly a joke.

[gaunt acorn]

that's twice now you've dismissed people by essentially calling them shills

[balmy wolf]

what skin I should get next?

[civic estuary]

I kinda wish it was in a better spot then Burbank..Burbank isnt to exciting lol

[magic zinc]

@balmy wolf The Zenyatta ones are really cool, they have the logo on the balls

[gaunt acorn]

well I don't find it funny anymore

[grizzled mulch]

SileAnimus called me a Blizzard shill iirc

[balmy wolf]

logo on the balls kek

[grizzled mulch]

Or something to that effect

[serene owl]

Puns are not for everyone. I do apologize for that, it was at a bad timing.

[grizzled mulch]

For simply pointing out his error in logic

[gaunt acorn]

thanks, now back on topic please

the zen orbs look cool for NYXL

id like to see golden weapon zenyatta for seoul

[civic estuary]

pretty cool how they have a OWL app.. I just downloaded it, pretty awesome in my opinion

[magic zinc]

I love all Seoul skins, amazing with golden guns

[limber pine]

there's a spoiler-free setting too on the app

which I though was pretty neat

[civic estuary]

ya Dynasty skins look sick...Ana looks bad ass

[red anvil]

i find the seoul skins more then the golden version

[spring lintel]

Agilites old enough to play l

[magic zinc]

Yeah thats really nice, I hated that the website already had a "match 5" so you knew the match ended 2-2 before you even started

[spring lintel]

Les goooo

[civic estuary]

ya I saw that , pretty dope @limber pine

[limber pine]

@spring lintel yes

if that was a question

[spring lintel]

Saw him on the roster just now

Grim is ded to me

[limber pine]

feelsbad

[spring lintel]

Silk and agilites combo

Freaking fire

[magic zinc]

Man I was wondering where WhoRU went in terms of OWL

He's 16

[civic estuary]

Which team is Flow3r on? London right? hes just not old enough to play right now or what?

[spring lintel]

Nyxl i think

[limber pine]

NYXL

[red anvil]

NYXL but he wont play before s2

[civic estuary]

oh yea you are right

[gaunt acorn]

NYXL and he can play S2

[civic estuary]

bummer, excited to watch him

his widow is nasty!!

[spring lintel]

Am I the only one that thought danteh was meh and iddqd was fire?

In the preseason

[gaunt acorn]

watch fleta

[magic zinc]

Fleta <3

[gaunt acorn]

yeah i prefer iddqd

[civic estuary]

yea i think iddqd > danteh

[spring lintel]

Half dead is a widow one trick

[civic estuary]

iddqd isnt playing first game, danteh is instead

[spring lintel]

How do you know?

[civic estuary]

i watched him stream earlier

he said

He said because, he was sick during alot of the scrims and danteh stayed here during christmas time to practice and such so it makes sense for him to play first game

[spring lintel]

Sleepy hands down is one of the top zens, up there with ryue and unkoe

SF are actually fully stacked

Why do they have 2 main tanks though?

[gaunt acorn]

unkoe gonna pop off today just watch

[spring lintel]

Sleepy gonna pop off 100%

Who plays off tank on SF?

[gaunt acorn]

ryujehong isn't a top zen imo

[civic estuary]

Kinda interested how SF is gona play out, with 3 awesome tracers and overall dps

danteh might be riding the bench when sinatraa is able to play

[magic zinc]

I think Sinatraa will have to work his way into the line-up

[velvet scarab]

@spring lintel nevix

[gaunt acorn]

he plays zen out of necessity quite often but I wouldn't put rjh in top 3 at least

[spring lintel]

Isnt he a genji player?

[magic zinc]

If SF go well; why change a winning team even if Sinatraa turns 18

[velvet scarab]

he plays both

[gaunt acorn]

no danteh is a minecraft player

[spring lintel]

I think they need a good off tank imo

[civic estuary]

Yea, i also think sinatraa will have to take it more serious .. I feel like he doesnt care enough to be honest

[spring lintel]

Even as a sub

[velvet scarab]

but for sf probably gonna be playing dva 90% of the time

[magic zinc]

Eh we don't know that

[civic estuary]

just the way he answers questions in the stream

[velvet scarab]

and super is gonna be playing off tank too when he comes in

[magic zinc]

I dont like xQc's stream at all but appearently he's a great profesisonal with Dallas Fuel lol

[spring lintel]

Definitely

[magic zinc]

Sinatraa could very well be the same

[spring lintel]

Why are they not getting a good off tank player

Wait, oh. It’s brad makes sense now

[civic estuary]

I think danteh said he might do some off tanking

Im not sure,

[gaunt acorn]

who would they sign

at this point

[spring lintel]

Good question

[civic estuary]

They might try some interesting comps out

[balmy wolf]

Sinatraa is actually a great off-tank

[spring lintel]

Who is not in OWL and insane in zarya dva?

[civic estuary]

they have such good dps

[balmy wolf]

He plays a beast Zarya

[spring lintel]

Sinatraa is a pretty good zarya yeah

[civic estuary]

yea he is

[magic zinc]

Off-tank isn't just Zarya

[spring lintel]

Zarya dva hog

I know

[magic zinc]

D.va is much more important to know as an off-tank imo

[civic estuary]

danteh isnt bad at dva

[balmy wolf]

Sinatraa can play hog well too

[magic zinc]

I wish someone picked up Harb :(

[spring lintel]

He is only known for his zarya

DUDE HARB

[magic zinc]

Scenes if Dallas pick up Harb mid-season

[spring lintel]

but not that good dva

[civic estuary]

Anyone think Zombs will get picked up next season?

[spring lintel]

Insane hog and zarya

[balmy wolf]

Does anyone know why Mangachu from Team Canada wasn’t picked up?

[magic zinc]

Appearently he's a good D.va he just doesn't like playing her on stream because he scrims as her all day

[spring lintel]

Cause he is not that good

[silk linden]

lots of players weren't picked up

[civic estuary]

yea @cerulean rover i dont think hes that great to be honest

[gaunt acorn]

harb is a possibility

[civic estuary]

well hes good but not on par as most of the pros

[magic zinc]

Mangachu killed Zunba with a Torb hammer how is he not good

[silk linden]

it's the first season, not everything is settled yet

[gaunt acorn]

mangachu needs to practice genji before a team signs him, he's said as much

[vestal mortar]

Is Harb still interested in being pro?

[spring lintel]

Harb is an amazing pick for SF if they have a dva player

[magic zinc]

Tbh even for Fuel

[spring lintel]

Fuel is stacked af

[cerulean rover]

what

[magic zinc]

So that Effect/Taimou dont have to flex to off-tank

[civic estuary]

alot will change after season 1, players burnt out/fired/new players upcoming

[magic zinc]

And can stay on DPS

[gaunt acorn]

Seoul Dynasty announces signing dafran and aimbotcalvin

[vestal mortar]

I thought he was just streaming now.

[spring lintel]

Seagull is an insane zarya player

[gaunt acorn]

secures next 10 seasons

[balmy wolf]

Talking about esports and trying to pay attention in Algebra is quite hard

[civic estuary]

I want to see calvin play 😦

[spring lintel]

Mickie insane dva

[magic zinc]

@gaunt acorn Calvin with the sick calls "U-UH SOMBRA ZZZZZ ZZZZ"

[silk linden]

all teams should have 12 men rosters, so fuel would need to pick up another tank and another dps at least

[magic zinc]

when he sleeps someone

[gaunt acorn]

sombru

[spring lintel]

I don’t think fuel need anyone at all

[magic zinc]

I mean there's strength in depth

for any team

[spring lintel]

They are amazingly flexable

[civic estuary]

which team is it that only has 6 players?

[spring lintel]

What do they need?

[magic zinc]

Yeah but they can have an off-day

[gaunt acorn]

Florida

[civic estuary]

florida?

thats crazy

[spring lintel]

Effect is kinda better than tiamou on hitscan tbh

[magic zinc]

If Mickie has an off-day welp there goes your D.va

[spring lintel]

But he plays a lot of tracer

[silk linden]

I don't think they need anyone in particular, it's just, you might as well fill up all your spots

[gaunt acorn]

taimou is better long-range hitscan

[spring lintel]

Effect has so much potential too

[silk linden]

that way you get an internat B team to practice with, and maximize your possibilities

[gaunt acorn]

effect is better close, mid range

[balmy wolf]

Fuel is extremely strong because with the roster they have, they are capable of playing any meta that comes at them

[spring lintel]

^

[magic zinc]

imo Chips wasn't a great Mercy

But that meta's close to being over

[balmy wolf]

That’s true

Chips is an insane Ana

Better than Gale

[silk linden]

how good is Custa at Mercy?

[civic estuary]

they need players with bigger player pools,stuff is gona change and the 6 players on the team will all need to adjust

[gaunt acorn]

mercy meta is being ushered out luckily but yeah

[spring lintel]

Who the hell care about mercy

[silk linden]

Though he's supposed to be the zen and moira player

[spring lintel]

Jesus christ, she scales with her team

[magic zinc]

The fact that they put Chips on Mercy over Custa (although not being amazing) says enough about Custa's Mercy I think

[spring lintel]

If your team is giving you space to jump around it’s easy

[balmy wolf]

Custa is more of an off-Support player, he specializes in damage-supports like u mentioned @silk linden

Custa was a great pickup for Fuel, many underestimate him

[silk linden]

put HarryHook on DPS and relegate Taimou to Mercy until he hits headshots again

[gaunt acorn]

I don't think he's that underrated

[spring lintel]

Never seen many highlights of custa

I think he is like the standard pro

Nothing too insane imo

But definitely reliable

[balmy wolf]

To be fair to Taimou, it’s preseason. I’m sure he’ll be back to his old fragging in S1

[silk linden]

Custa is a serious person, a professional. Teams can make use of that more than raw skills more often than not

[spring lintel]

Taimou is kinda burnt