if Corndogs win against Envision tomorrow they got it I think
#esports-discussion
solid spear
wintry matrix
wintry matrix
also hayes is subbing for vallutaja
rapid oxide
Soon LUL
zealous girder
Effect's thoughts on PMA: https://clips.twitch.tv/WimpyAwkwardLEDYouDontSay
toxic yacht
lel
zealous girder
also xQc with the 9000 IQ plays: https://clips.twitch.tv/SourJazzyAntelopeBCouch
wintry matrix
n e g a t i v e m e n t a l a t t i t u d e
your brain will become as black as penumbra
you will gain infinite toxic rage
grizzled mulch
watching EFFECT tilted off of the earth because of NA healers lol
rapid shadow
!play
wintry matrix
the post on cow mentioned also difficulties in living in NA
i dunno if it's homesick, or difficulty to adapt
grizzled mulch
if you are not used to live abroad for a significantly long time
shit gon' get fucked
even in LoL where all of the teams living in LA
with KR town and what not
viral ledge
why does ZP move like a robot trying to be a human
short vault
wintry matrix
the eu matches are ZP and Bren
NA are Mr. X and gboi
i haven't been watching, but it would be interesting if Hayes is a better dva than unfixed
clever portal
Vallu was the problem?
grizzled mulch
Vallu has family troubles
balmy wolf
supple nymph
Twitter
blazing parrot
@feral topaz
gusty notch
save us bot
quartz wren
@outer bolt No meme dogs
supple nymph
😇
wintry matrix
Can't watch. Did 123 put a fight?
wintry matrix
That's just the score
light hearth
vestal mortar
We need more pma in our lives
vestal mortar
: C
clever portal
PMA 
supple nymph
Twitter
clever wagon
@supple nymph post it on his Discord lul
supple nymph
what
clever wagon
Nvm, you did already
clever portal
No one here anymore
vestal mortar
I am here
light hearth
I'm here
toxic yacht
🕯
clever portal
clever wagon
@toxic yacht Are you like on a virtual pilgrimage of hentai
toxic yacht
Always have been, always will be 🙏
vestal mortar
I love esports >_>
void timber
rapid oxide
Sub to me 
wintry matrix
mods please ban vace for advertising
lunar field
hi
solid spear
hello
wintry matrix
crazy to think that Hidan doesn't have a team
limber pine
------------------------
EU/NA Overwatch Contenders Week 5 Day 3 is live!
Today's Matches
EU
1:00 PM EDT: 
GamersOrigin vs Cloud9 
3:00 PM EDT: 
Singularity vs Gigantti 
NA
5:15 PM EDT: 
Kungarna vs FaZe 
7:15 PM EDT: 
EnVision vs EnVyUs 
Stream: https://www.twitch.tv/overwatchcontenders | http://www.mlg.tv/overwatch
wintry matrix
i skipped the GOC9 match after they kept getting 2-3 picks but still losing
tho i'm not very interested in Sng and Gigantti
cosmic valley
IDDQD vs AimbotCalvin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs9fT-Jaixs&t
rapid oxide
Disliked the video
Contenders isn't hooking that much
I don't even watch it
Waiting for Offline playoff
blazing parrot
im waiting for fave vs kungarna and nv vs envision
heres to hoping effect is feeling better 
twin gate
wintry matrix
dogman said yesterday that they are in the same mental state that Eunited is
it sucks because they were doing good
toxic yacht
it's a wonder that they ever had a sane mental state with mykl on the team 
supple nymph
Twitter
toxic yacht
uhhh
wintry matrix
toe is on feet or hand?
wintry matrix
damn you weebs taking advantage of me not being native
i also took some seconds to remember the equivalent word of "advantage"
blazing parrot
they need to drop mykl imo lmao
blazing parrot
@wintry matrix faze is a person?
blazing parrot
i like how faze doesnt even look at mykl until the killed everyone else 
solid spear
Doesn't matter
solid spear
Don't need to drop someone from a dead team
blazing parrot
you talking about kungarna?
solid spear
They won't exist after a week
solid spear
Ye
blazing parrot
blazing parrot
Twitter
blazing parrot
grizzled mulch
@blazing parrot old news
blazing parrot
supple nymph
Twitter
gusty notch
red anvil
Apex wont be good next season regardless
all the good players have escaped to US
like what do you even got left?
AF that dident even beat NC Foxes,
half of KDP,
Runaway; hopefully full roster but maybe no stitch?
Meta Athena without there DPSes?
KDU that got beat out by GC Busan?
pallid dirge
red anvil
Probably just got the @ kyky handle, and took it
grizzled mulch
nice b8
balmy wolf
solid spear
Apex isn't even good now
onyx shore
so,when OWL starts?
toxic yacht
okay, this shit looks so fucking funny
limber pine
da fak
toxic yacht
lel
vestal mortar
He privated his account D:
blazing parrot
no
grizzled mulch
https://twitter.com/kyky <= his new twitter is here
Twitter
blazing parrot
@grizzled mulch obvious sign hes leaving envyus 
vestal mortar
ohhhhhh
jagged crater
imagine leaving the best team in NA
gusty notch
with an owl spot
jagged crater
did anyone actually sleep on harry's lucio tho?
his lucio was good before he went soldier
referencing this
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/70wm1p/lucio_stats_from_owc_na_s1_untold_story_about_nv/
toxic yacht
pretty sure that no one slept on it, it's just that no one cares about lushios
wintry matrix
which is wrong
and harry being a good lucio was a know fact
especially after they put hulk on lucio
clever portal
limber pine
That's a lot of figures
vestal mortar
💸
Were we expecting one or two more spots in season 1?
I am really bad at remembering numbers >_>
blazing parrot
limber pine
nah
clever portal
🐢
blazing parrot
DALLAS (September 18, 2017) – For Team Envy owner and CEO Mike Rufail, relocating the 50 professional players and employees of Envy Gaming, Inc., to Dallas with the support of Hersh Interactive Group serves as a welcomed homecoming. Rufail, who has built one of the most successful esports franchises of all time at Team Envy, is a native Texan, having been born and raised in Lufkin.
Moving Team Envy to North Texas is possible due to the new partnership with Hersh Interactive Group, the esports investment arm of Hersh Family Investments, which confirmed a significant capital investment numbering in the tens of millions of dollars in Team Envy. This follows an earlier investment by John Brock and Brock Sports in Team Envy.
Esports are rapidly growing in popularity and sophistication throughout the U.S. and globally, and count more than 190 million enthusiasts among the fan base today. Professional leagues and organizations including the Overwatch League™ from Blizzard Entertainment and the North American League of Legends Championship Series from Riot Games are adopting permanent franchise-based models.
Top esports players make six and seven-figure salaries and live tournaments regularly play in sold-out arenas. Real estate developers and college campuses are also taking notice, introducing new facilities for esports. A recently opened University of North Texas space called “The Nest” serves as a collaborative design and competition space for students in North Texas interested in esports.
dallas confirmed
vestal mortar
Confirmed!
vestal mortar
Oh boy
wintry matrix
"One initial program is a collaboration between Hersh Investment Group and Team Envy in the design of educational programs for players and staff, to help them manage the mental fatigue of competition and prepare them for growth and life after careers in gaming."
that is fucking huge
and great
solid spear
scarlet spear
professor taimou teaching the whole of envyus about PMA?
wintry matrix
which is why i'm happy to see them doing it
winter pivot
versed sinew
zealous girder
someone explain this shit https://clips.twitch.tv/ClumsyTriangularClipzAliens
onyx shore
owl almost here
every tournament still uses default skin
feelsbatman
clever portal
Duo with Kephrii 
clever portal
"Hello my name is chris and i have a main in plat (mostly genji) a irl friend of me asked me to get him out bronze (642 sr) and i never had so much fun in overwatch before. I absoluty love dominating in bronze and would love to get you to your disered rank for free! Fack paying for boosting service! Add me on battle net or discord Battlenet: shrimpy#21344 Discord: shrimpy21344"
toxic yacht
LUL
light hearth
Pumple so good.
blazing parrot
every tournament will use default skins for new viewers especially since the spectator system is bad
i hope for owl, blizz lets team colored skins
red anvil
would be really nice if the teams used same colored skins for the whole team
but i'm not sure all heroes got all colors?
blazing parrot
i think blizz could do it
red anvil
would be lol if blizz creates full team colors for all owl teams
blazing parrot
red anvil
they confirmed owl skins already
but would be funny to see the players actually use them tho
blazing parrot
when did they confirm owl skins?
red anvil
"Both local and online-only fans will be able to eventually earn Overwatch League team–branded skins, sprays, and player icons, Nanzer said. It's a model that has been widely successful in the past, specifically for League of Legends."
blazing parrot
ooo naisuu
light hearth
NAIIISSSSUUUU
grizzled mulch
@light hearth can you ask the devs their thoughts on this? https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/710dyl/junkrats_buff_led_to_huge_sr_boosts_like_this/?utm_content=comments&utm_medium=new&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=Competitiveoverwatch
why a game about flexing so often results in this?
And from season 1 there have always been case like this. Roadhog, D.va, Mercy, etc etc
why flexing when you can just one trick your way to GM?
blazing parrot
same 
i one tricked ana 2 seasons ago and i flexed last season
i got 300 sr less
@grizzled mulch LH is losing to gc?
grizzled mulch
They are.
blazing parrot
@grizzled mulch what comps are they running
lh that is
who is ltj subbing in for?
grizzled mulch
Some dive, some tanks. Esca
blazing parrot
vestal mortar
I go for lunch and I come back to this
uncut onyx
wanna play overwathc
blazing parrot
@vestal mortar go back to lunch
forest raven
#185665683009306625 #lfg-pc-na-ranked my dude @uncut onyx
thick cosmos
GC Busan 3-0 LH wow
blazing parrot
I'm literally the biggest fan of GC Busan since 20 minutes ago. They are the fucking best and not even the puny Lunatic Hai can come close to it. Overrated multi-year APEX winning piece of shit team. Time to lose. Bye.
red anvil
Stealing our flamecord spam
blazing parrot
im not even on flamecord
red anvil
sadist!
vestal mortar
Every time I don't watch my boys, they lose 😢
limber pine
didn't see maps 1 and 2, but they didn't look terrible on Volskaya
even the last push was okay
foggy cave
@blazing parrot thank you
blazing parrot
@foggy cave no problemo 
frank cloak
vestal mortar
😭
blazing parrot
made me angery
solid spear
blazing parrot
an angery woo
wintry matrix
i second this motion
balmy wolf
Patch out :D
scarlet spear
with mercy/d.va changes 
gusty notch
Is apex gonna hav new patch
vestal mortar
Not until the finals
blazing parrot
probably not
grizzled mulch
they will change patch during the semi
stable rose
wintry matrix
what did he do?
grizzled mulch
he can be pretty tilty in rank
wintry matrix
meh, that's usual/top 500 in general i'd suppose
tho judging by that video of he flaming a diamond mercy main maybe he's a step beyond, dunno
wintry matrix
i mean, dafran is the worse know pro behaviour, so i wouldn't say that's a compliment
i don't know any cases of pros actively trolling in ranked aside from dumb bronze to gm stunts
and also acting like a prick about it
blazing parrot
was dafran toxic or trolly?
i dont think he was toxic
he was a troll yeah
but i dont remember if he was toxic tho
wintry matrix
i'd suppose
i wouldn't be surprised if he did flame people ranked before he found his troll character
but like sinatraa, in a team enviroment, he was well-regarded
hollow egret
Thy may make top 4 but they ain't winning (btw I'm an LH fan)
blazing parrot
wintry matrix
if LH qualifies it will be against KDP
whom they beat already a couple of times
so i wouldn't count them out so easily
wintry matrix
it was the same story when they lost to runaway in s2, or when they lost to mvp space
blazing parrot
solid spear
Dafran was one of these toxic people I ever watched, almost never flamed/raged at randoms...unless you consider trolling toxic cuz dad was a good troll
hollow egret
They'll win OWL for sure because duh immortals is in it but they can win Apex
blazing parrot
you can be a toxic troll
hollow egret
Can't
blazing parrot
i think they can bounce back
hollow egret
No offense immortals fans you guys ain't a 20 Mil team
blazing parrot
gods did say most of the owl team so far are a joke
and that the premade teams like misfits, lh, or envy would win season 1
wintry matrix
i mean, it's obvious premade teams would have somewhat of an advantage
hollow egret
nV and LH finals called it
hollow egret
Plz have fantasy OWL
wintry matrix
at first maybe
hollow egret
I'll jump on that
wintry matrix
althought the only teams that look dominant to me are nV and LH if they are on a good patch
misfits still looks a bit shaky to me
hollow egret
Sinatraa is my number 1 pick
blazing parrot
hollow egret
Krappa
solid spear
You're so toxic
wintry matrix
hot fire
blazing parrot
@solid spear gods also said, if dafran returned to the scene so many owl teams would pick him up
for tons of money
solid spear
I mean like yeah
blazing parrot
mostly cause the teams are a joke
hollow egret
Selfless was actually an insane tho
blazing parrot
solid spear
He's one of the best dps in the world
wintry matrix
it seems weird that dafran would be such a top pick if he returned
like, there's tons of dps looking for few spots
also he hasn't played in months
solid spear
And he's better than the vast majority of them
hollow egret
Who else could they pick up
wintry matrix
solid spear
I mean Selfless 2nd best dps went for 150k lul
wintry matrix
NRG business
hollow egret
Sinatraa is a beast tho
wintry matrix
and i think Sinatraa is a better tracer than dafran
blazing parrot
definitely
hollow egret
No duh
solid spear
Dafrans Tracer is probably better than his soldier
hollow egret
nV vs selfless would be a good game
wintry matrix
maybe in teams with a super aggro style
hollow egret
But Sinatraa is better at tracer
wintry matrix
but even then i dunno if you'd want someone who can "only" aim
hollow egret
Tbh best NA tracer
drowsy loom
he's NA right now
drowsy loom
so Envy is not an NA team?
solid spear
They are
hollow egret
He wasn't born in NA
drowsy loom
oh ok
blazing parrot
he meant sinatraa best tracer born in na
wintry matrix
it doesn't matter really where it is born, it matters where you compete
because you're paired against who you play
blazing parrot
yea
hollow egret
But he is 2nd best tracer in the world
wintry matrix
it's one of the reasons i'm not so confident in misfits in the OWL
solid spear
I mean even Sinatraa says Dafran was just as good as him on Tracer
drowsy loom
no way
blazing parrot
logix and effect is better tho
drowsy loom
no way that sinatraa is 2nd best in the world
blazing parrot
drowsy loom
he's good but not 2nd
wintry matrix
Emongg also said they were different styles
solid spear
He did
wintry matrix
like, Dafran's tracer was just for one-clipping someone, while sinatraa is really good surviving
hollow egret
I want to know the top 3 from more knowledgeable people I don't know much
wintry matrix
the thing is, dafran's style seems more limited than sinatraa's
solid spear
I mean they even said Tracer was dad's best hero
It's just that Sinatraa wanted to play it
And Dafran moved to 76
hollow egret
Birdring better be on the list
grizzled mulch
?
wintry matrix
well, to me dafran seemed best at s76, i could be wrong tho
drowsy loom
In my shitty gold opinion 1) EFFECT 2) Saebyeolbe 3)Birdring
blazing parrot
@grizzled mulch more knowledgeable person pls answer
grizzled mulch
Dafran's Tracer is an adaptation they has later but he is not neccesarily better than Sinatraa.
wintry matrix
if wolf is knowledgeable y isn't he in olw? 
solid spear
@grizzled mulch when did you fool people into thinking you're knowledge 
grizzled mulch
@solid spear i coach a tier 2 team 
solid spear
Wolf is a meme 
grizzled mulch
it was an adaptation of Selfless from the incomping meta changes but Dafran didn't neccessarily have better Tracer than Sinatraa
different comp
different aims
hollow egret
Imma watch some Overwatch on Disney xd rb lmao
grizzled mulch
and they used it sparingly enough that there isn't any good amount footage on it anyway
blazing parrot
@grizzled mulch best tracer worldwide?
solid spear
Later Selfless just ran triple tank with dad on tracer anyway
grizzled mulch
EFFECT at the moment.
solid spear
Don't even know his name
grizzled mulch
not by in any order btw: Birdring, Logix, EFFECT, Sinatraa, Davin
solid spear
grizzled mulch
Birdring FeelsRageMan
wintry matrix
tbh i don't follow KDP much, i don't care for them as a fan
i always confuse birdring and rascal
solid spear
KDP only nice Korean team
wintry matrix
davin surprises me
like, he only popped off a few weeks ago right?
before that i don't remember him being anything special
solid spear
Wha
grizzled mulch
Davin is weird because sometimes his aim is really wack, and his pulse bomb is the least consistent of everyone. But he is such a backbone to Gigantti
and also respected by EU pros
so he must have done something right
solid spear
I know
grizzled mulch
Big Dick Davin lol
solid spear
SBB is super respected by everyone who plays him
grizzled mulch
You could probably replace Davin with Soon
but Davin's impact is more noticable recently with Gigantti
solid spear
Smh
grizzled mulch
SBB is good but it has been so long
wintry matrix
actually i meant both in one sentence as "KDP tracer"
grizzled mulch
LW Blue is too busy training for the NY spot anyway
wintry matrix
chanman stuff started btw
solid spear
Ban Allu tbh
wintry matrix
you have no rights weeb
wintry matrix
wrong esport?
tbh i've been called lots of stuff, apparently the name "Alliud" confuses people
grizzled mulch
there's a player in CSGO named Allu
wintry matrix
oh, the bot allu meme
wintry matrix
wait, has oreo been shit-talking me this whole time and i didn't knew it
wintry matrix
:MonkaGun:
blazing parrot
drowsy loom
wait is allu bad? I don't really watch CS that much but I thought FaZe was really good
grizzled mulch
he was a bit of a meme
wintry matrix
:Monkathink:
supple nymph
toxic yacht
Hey guise
You see this bug that takes no skill, has no tradeoffs and barely any cooldown?
We'll leave it in because it's skill ceiling raising although it makes her movement impossible to predict xd
Edge dash, which takes time to master
Has a long-ass cooldown
And has tradeoffs
We'll remove that because it breks gehm xd
Blizz Logic
wintry matrix
didn't they cactch the bug in the ptr?
toxic yacht
Apparently they left it as a feature
Like, before I was fine with the edge dash removal, salty, but fine
wintry matrix
i don't think it's intended
tho tbh isn't really broken
i agree with you that it is inconsistent with edge dash removal
wait a second
lemme think a bit
yeah, i guess it's a bit broken
like, the ability itself i actually quite like it
toxic yacht
Apparently evveeaeaevvee was in contact with blizz throughout the entire thing and confirmed it
wintry matrix
but when paired with mercy other stuff it becomes too much
the bigger annoyance to me is why don't you fucking explain it in the patch notes?
wintry matrix
the weird thing is that blissard is very communicative in some aspects
but completely silent with no reason on others
no apparent reason that is
like, do they just hire an unpaid intern to do patch notes?
toxic yacht
Mercy went through in this state, I dunno
toxic yacht
Blizzard doesn't seem to think a lot about things that literally anyone with a functional brain who can hold his mouse straight can point out
wintry matrix
nah
i don't think the mercy speed flight boost (?) is that broken
like, it makes her almost unkillable
toxic yacht
Also, the boost is fucking retarded for projectile and makes her impossible to shoot with them, also completely throws off hitscan
grizzled mulch
Nah gotta leave it in there because of reasons. Meanwhile matchmaking is still dogshit
wintry matrix
it is almost like those are entirely different things
grizzled mulch
Btw, since Mercy can rez people up every 30 secs plus her ult, it actually means that statistically new Mercy can pad her stats even more eck dee
So we are back at square zero
grizzled mulch
People already reporting higher SR gains with new Mercy in the subreddit
toxic yacht
Mercy players are losing 13 SR while gaining 30
grizzled mulch
So probably
toxic yacht
Apparently
wintry matrix
cow has been wrong
toxic yacht
Hence the "apparently"
grizzled mulch
It is not conclusive but a worrying sign nonetheless.
toxic yacht
Also, when multiple people all report the same thing there's probably a reason
This also lines up with the SR system as a whole
grizzled mulch
Maybe im just bitter over the fact that queuing in master and plat means jackshit when shitters in all tiers are the same
Whats the point of tiers and rank when you can run into complete boosted animals that doesnt know how to play the game
wintry matrix
boosting happens in other games
grizzled mulch
I'll just do some placement in my near GM acc and see how it goes.
toxic yacht
Instead of actually actually, you know, making a proper comp mode
wintry matrix
it does suck that lots of people don't even know basic shit like grouping up and disengaging
grizzled mulch
I wish i could rant about how Freedo and gang is ruining competitive OW
toxic yacht
KOTH TOOK TO LONG AND WAS UNSATISFYING
leave 2cp
grizzled mulch
But im going to sleep
wintry matrix
they're probably making some overhaul to the system
if it's easy or hard i dunno
also 2cp is fine
fite me
aside from spawns being too close
toxic yacht
yes, for you and the other 4 people who like it
Doesn't change the fact that an unusually large chunk of people think it's trash
Which probably means something
wintry matrix
unusually large chunk of the vocal people
remember that if you go by certain places OW should be mccree simulator
or no dva
wintry matrix
i didn't say that
toxic yacht
I'll just assume that everyone likes it
wintry matrix
i'm just saying that just because there's a loud bark, doesn't mean it's the majority
toxic yacht
And that people who dislike it are just vocal
Although there is literally nothing indicating that
wintry matrix
where do you say the majority that dislikes 2cp?
it's probably reddit, community people and pros
is there anywhere else?
toxic yacht
Vocal or not, literally all we hear is people dislike it, barely ever anything positive.
#1 that probably means something
#2 if you make a gamemode that creates
Such a negative reaction
That probably means something
Literally no game has something like this, only ow
wintry matrix
i'm just saying, that while it looks huge, compared to whole playerbase, it's a really small number of people
like, i know 2cp has a huge backlash against it
at least on these places
toxic yacht
The fact that you created a mode that made a chunk of your playerbase despise it to that degree
wintry matrix
also, every game has something like this
toxic yacht
Means that you fucked up as a desinger
wintry matrix
not really
toxic yacht
Anyway, I'll go take a shower
wintry matrix
just because there's a loud bark, doesn't mean it's right
people complain about lots of shit
i think 2cp is flawed, but people always go fucking hyperbolic on it
toxic yacht
Look
You have 10 people
2 like something, 5 don't care, 3 dislike
You fucked up
That's simply how it is
You created a mode with a disproportionally negative reaction
In a game
That's supposed to be fun
wintry matrix
i'm not saying their feedback is invalid, they just don't represent everyone
toxic yacht
The moment your game elicits a reaction
To the point where you literally have to force people to play it
You fucked up
As a designer
toxic yacht
I know
wintry matrix
like, as much as 2cp is the biggest complainer, lots of stuff in OW solicit negative reactions from people
toxic yacht
That doesn't really change my point though
My point is that you created a mode that's supposed to be fun in a game that's supposed to be fun that makes people literally want to kill themselves
That is a fucking failure in design
Again, they literally had to force people
To play the mode
Because of the disproportionate negativity it produces
wintry matrix
disproportionate in our little bubble
like
to me gibraltar is 10 times more cancerous than any 2cp map
you don't see too much negative reaction tho
2cp is not fun to play because people can't play as team
when 2cp punishes hard dumb stuff
wintry matrix
i dunno, aside from spawns being too close and stalls, it's fine to me
toxic yacht
Snowballing in 2 ways, or how running into a brick wall for 6 minutes straigjt is surprise, not very fun for a lot of people
That's the issue
wintry matrix
i guess you slog a few minutes more trying to enter B, but that isn't exclusie to 2cp
i do agree that you can snowball harder
toxic yacht
Other modes have variety
2cp has 3 extremely tough chokes
That you consistently run through
For 4-6 minutes
No other mode has something like that
wintry matrix
there is, is just not as long
toxic yacht
Then you have stupid shit like horizon
wintry matrix
i agree that it can be a slog sometimes
toxic yacht
Where hiding in spawn and coming out because of regeneration is a viable strat
Then you have how big of an issue snowballing is
wintry matrix
i'm with you, horizon spawn B is dumb
but like, snowballing can happen in most maps
with how KOTH can be hard to retake
payload with rotating ults
toxic yacht
Then you have how A must be extremely hard to defend while B must be extremely hard tobattack
wintry matrix
they're not extremely hard
i mean, even people who hate 2cp, say how it's mostly because of point B
toxic yacht
Snowballing on 2cp is 10x more extreme than on other maps
That's the thing with 2cp, it has problems from other modes
But they are all much more extreme
wintry matrix
but why snowballing happens? generally because someone staggers, and because the attacking team has ults
i think that stuff can be played around
toxic yacht
Okay, take this
You are about to hold A
10 seconds remaining
76 nanovisors
You shoot a projectile
Sleep is faster than that projectile
You wake him by accident
He wipes
They snowball
Cap B
You played perfectly the entire match, but one tiny mistake completely fucked you
Other modes give you 2 fights per phase, in dive 3
2cp just fucks you
wintry matrix
i don't think that was the best example
first because that's just one round
also because tiny mistakes can fuck up any situation in OW really
toxic yacht
As I said
wintry matrix
maybe not as explicity as 2cp in that case
toxic yacht
10x more extreme
wintry matrix
but still happens
toxic yacht
2cp
wintry matrix
actually, the situation you mentioned is quite favorable to not snowball
because they would go into B without nanovisor
toxic yacht
Okay, they pick off both supports with visor and the team cleans up
Genji has sword
Wipes you on B because lucio now has barrier
Better?
wintry matrix
like, i get what you saying
and agree with you on most of it
the difference between you and me, is that most of those complains seem minor to me
wintry matrix
like, i get it how it can be unsatisfying
toxic yacht
Say, logix is on 76
wintry matrix
but to me they're unsatisfying in a way like you're on 19 on DM, and as you gonna get 20 comes a genji and steal it
like, i just see them as minor annoyances
toxic yacht
logix dies first, logix swaps to tracer, since hes a god they have better stalling chances
Esca dies first on 76, esca goes tracer
Esca succ
They can't stall
Also, there's a difference between losing dm and losing comp
And losing tournaments
wintry matrix
you lost me a bit on the logix thing, i didn't get the point
toxic yacht
Death sequence
Depending on who dies first
Some teams get better swaps
For stalling
Since they are better on certain stall heroes
You have pretty much no control of whom the team kills first, andit'ssuper bad in ranked
Since you can't kill smartly since you don't lnow who's good on what
wintry matrix
oh, got it, seems bad
feral solar
LH LOST?! wtf
haughty vessel
is there any official channel on youtube or something where you can watch the contenders recap
toxic yacht
🙏
dark pond
I don't understand why lh hasn't brought bunny up to the a team so that they have a strong tracer
red anvil
LH#1 is not really Lunatic Hai anymore
well wont be after this apex season
if bunny gets picked up for OWL we'll see
i think Saya is very interested in getting picked up by team seoul now that Metas CEO joined team Seoul
dark pond
What korean teams will be in owl?
red anvil
LH and LWB confirmed so far
Birdring from KDP got a team apparently, but we'll see.
Mirage from Runaway also got a team, but we dunno what
dark pond
Im actually really interested too see if kruise from euinted is looking at making a swap to korean teams
red anvil
i highly doubt we we'll see westerns in korean teams
there are only 1 korean- actual korean team
and koreans generally dont speak english
blazing parrot
Summer might be winding down, but the Overwatch League is just getting started. We already announced nine city-based teams around the world, plus details about player salaries, roster signings, and the venue for the inaugural season. Now, we're ready to reveal the final three teams for the first year of the Overwatch League, bringing the grand total to 12 teams, as well as important dates for the start of the league.
Philadelphia: picked by Comcast Spectacor
Dallas: 
picked up by Team EnVyUs
Houston: picked up by OpTic Gaming
Now that we have our final slate of 12 teams for the inaugural season, it's time to let you know when the Overwatch League will officially start. The preseason begins on Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at Blizzard Arena Los Angeles with a series of exhibition matches featuring all of the teams—the world's first chance to see Overwatch League professionals in action. The inaugural season proper kicks off on Wednesday, January 10, 2018 and will continue into June, followed by championship playoffs and finals in July. We look forward to announcing more information about the league's schedule and format in the coming months, including how to get tickets to the preseason and regular-season matches.
supple nymph
@grizzled mulch t2 🕯
rapid oxide
can't wait to see this news being drowned in /r/ow with shitty potg and lewd fanart
blazing parrot
rapid oxide
https://twitter.com/ivo_kk/status/910508613566857216 ppl are never fucking happy ffs
Twitter
Monte twitt nowdays screams "#sponsored btw"
rapid oxide
No 
iron sierra
mad hyped to see OG play OW
wary falcon
Green wall?
balmy wolf
2 la teams in owl?
wintry matrix
yep
neon bear
Looking for an overwatch EU esports team and team captian PM me if interested PLAT+
my esports company is growing and were spreading to overwatch
toxic yacht
neon bear
oh thx
toxic yacht
np bby
solid spear
helpful Sojum 
wary falcon
growing and were spreading to
sounds like a carcinoma
blazing parrot
cancer
jagged crater
fuckin finally. Been waiting so damn long for OWL to begin
jagged crater
Has dafran ever been on LAN?
wintry matrix
no
jagged crater
always wondered how dafran would do on lan
Reading some comments on Dafran's mechanical skill had me thinking.
vocal sky
What is dafran doing?
glossy delta
Throwing
jagged crater
nothin atm
Where did dafran come from? Complete unknown before he joined selfless?
wintry matrix
apparently he wants to return
wintry matrix
apparently he was also in team denmark in WC 2016
jagged crater
was he really?
ah he is
https://playoverwatch.com/en-us/blog/20252894
He was a captain's pick w/ top heroes played genji/tracer/bastion (lol)
Just an interesting story overall w/ a sad ending. Selfless wasn't really a good NA team at the time, and then dafran joins Jan 2017 and catapults selfless to being one of the best. 6 months later, dafran is suspended.
wintry matrix
tbh that's similar to lots of NA teams
with the difference that Selfless was probably the longest one
as in rise and fall
jagged crater
cinderellish stories with sad endings?
toxic yacht
he's taking a break off the internet and reforming
wintry matrix
not necessarily cinderella
jagged crater
what other NA teams would you say had rise and falls like that?
i think kungarna and lg evil (ex-hammers) had their moments
wintry matrix
just, teams who at first are just scrubbing, reach a peak, and then fall off for most of it's career
arc6
even CLG had a time they won a couple of matches
jagged crater
lol clg
wintry matrix
The Chavs Hammers
jagged crater
i completely forgot about them
wintry matrix
IMT to some extent
jagged crater
what happened to miso
wintry matrix
the brief time coL's Sombra managed to do stuff
jagged crater
he had a thing going with being a great zarya player
wintry matrix
i dunno
jagged crater
he was like rank 1 season 2/3 for a period of time
complexity's sombrero innovation
i think we first saw utilization of sombra's fast ult was from apex
jagged crater
LG evil or hammers
toxic yacht
😡 NMA is our path 😡 EFFECT is our wrath 😡
jagged crater
?
blazing parrot
😡 NMA is our path 😡 EFFECT is our wrath 😡
blazing parrot
No
blazing parrot
🐢
clever portal
spring lintel
I want every city to have 2 teams
grizzled mulch
Not sure if /s
feral solar
Owl is gonna have shit timings for me
shy plume
c9 lol
drowsy loom
omg there are so many podcasts now
drowsy loom
no way
c9 has such a good team already
Why buy Lazer Kittens just to buy Panthera?
grizzled mulch
why settle with Laser Kittenz when you can get APEX finalist?
and I doubt C9Jack is ok with the abysmal quality that ex Laser Kittenz and the tryouts has produced
gusty notch
APEX OWL Kongdoo Panthera and Cloud9 merge
KDPanthera 'Kongdoo will perform under the name Cloud 9 Kongdoo for the rest of APEX season 4. After APEX, Cloud9 kongdoo players will join OWL team in London.'
Fug too slow
feral solar
@sullen berry yeah but still shit times.. going to be super early start for us
final jetty
sullen berry
@feral solar rip 3-4am starts
winged reef
Oh
clever portal
🐢
clever portal
C9 now has three teams FeelsAmazingMan
blazing parrot
no?
NA is pretty much disbanded
theyre just contract jailed players
eu team is pretty much a bust too
clever portal
Basically they gave C9 EU a chance with LK
And they lost it
Best they could do was top 4 EU
clever portal
Alicus is just a manager right?
Going to be weird because KDP has its own managment
And then there's Bishop
supple nymph
blazing parrot
grizzled mulch
and also Alicus does not own KDP btw
blazing parrot
@grizzled mulch hes just the manager?
clever portal
Yeah, when was he on the page?
In other news
Alicus house on C9 discord randomely got deleted yesterday
grizzled mulch
he was on the page.
clever portal
grizzled mulch
grizzled mulch
@supple nymph @clever portal Mr Alicus was certainly on that page
supple nymph
yea I believe you I was just wondering because c9 eu and na is still there
grizzled mulch
you have to look further
grizzled mulch
http://cloud9.gg/overwatch-eu it is in this page
however wayback machine doesn't have any archive
grizzled mulch
the whole page is completely pruned, yeah
blazing parrot
Twitter
pine star
grizzled mulch
so much for Laser Kittenz to C9 now. He probably got ousted once Jack tired of his whole EU tryouts thing
pine star
What is going on