which is basically Junkrat + Genji in a sense
#esports-discussion
red anvil
Sinatraa uses 400 15 or some shit
wraith juniper
I use 18000 eDPI
I don't want to change but my aim is bad and people tell me it would be good
wraith juniper
@red anvil but.... but..... It is energy inefficient (I'm too lazy to move my arm)
toxic yacht
I play using my wrist and have 7000 eDPI
it works
you're not gonna die if you lower it
red anvil
i fucked up my wrist with my old super high sensitivity
wraith juniper
WAIT
balmy wolf
wow, trying out Tviq's sens. You know a sens is natural to you when there's barely any adjustment needed.
wraith juniper
I have used Razer mouse for two days without Razer synapse without realizing and my aim improved
balmy wolf
honestly outside of Deathadder there's no good Razer mouse.
toxic yacht
the mouse died in 5 minutes
or it's perfectly fine and really good
there seems to be no inbetween
wraith juniper
@balmy wolf i have deathadder tho
Honestly I thought about changing my mouse bc I heard Razer was shit
but I am content for now
balmy wolf
but even then for some weird reason it even lagged behind Logitech's new wireless mouse 
wraith juniper
@balmy wolf what's a good "ergonomic style" mouse?
I need at least two side buttons but not too many small ones like mmo mouse
Wait are we going on a tangent of a tangent here?
I love esports do you?
balmy wolf
Logitech G603, 703, and 903 are all decent options
smoky hinge
The Logitech GPro is pretty nice
I've tried it, I'm personally looking at getting it
vestal mortar
I also love esports
smoky hinge
I'm currently using a G402, iirc Jehong used that mouse for a while
Good mouse, it's just ugly lol
wraith juniper
I have very small hands but I am a claw grip most likely
I heard logitech is now sponsoring Runaway
smoky hinge
Yeah, fairly recently
dense anvil
who doesn't love esports
smoky hinge
You should see how people react to it where I am 
dense anvil
blazing parrot
vestal mortar
Some people come in here every now and again and tell us that ow esports sucks ๐ข
dense anvil
don't greet me with weeb emotes
clever portal
blazing parrot
or japanese
dense anvil
dense anvil
toxic yacht
don't weeb him pls
vestal mortar
Oh noey, the weebs are back 
blazing parrot
clever portal
No weebs here
wraith juniper
OW is weeb
blazing parrot
inb4 alicus is a closet weeb
wraith juniper
Look at Genji and Hanzo they're all weeby
vestal mortar
Go watch your Death Note Netflix adaptation ya weebs
blazing parrot
no
clever portal
smoky hinge
toxic yacht
I watched it two days ago
balmy wolf
nah, no weebs allows. Only H weebs allow 
blazing parrot
balmy wolf
amirite @toxic yacht
smoky hinge
Death Note's adapation.. we don't talk about that
smoky hinge
clever portal
Kvo stop the nitro emotes spam
blazing parrot
what?
vestal mortar
blazing parrot
oh those
forest raven
This doesn't seem particularly esports related
smoky hinge
blazing parrot
i guess youre just a pleb then
clever portal
toxic yacht
wtf is that turtle emote
forest raven
Not here
vestal mortar
I am in love with esports
clever portal
balmy wolf
wraith juniper
Right-o
toxic yacht
the only hype match turned out to be lol
so yeah, I don't give a shit until playoffs
runaway vs mvp could be interesting though
my hopes are that runaway and LH both make it out of the groups
vestal mortar
I am always happy to watch LH play
balmy wolf
one thing I will way though
balmy wolf
is that I wonder if Sayaplayer ever regret not signing that foreign contract
instead of sinking into the mud along with Meta as a whole
wraith juniper
Ryujehong has a tamper tantrum in his stream
vestal mortar
C:
wary falcon
Sayaplayer ever regret not signing that foreign contract
he is in sinking ship named Overwatch anyways
blazing parrot
get out
balmy wolf
I suspected that contract was for 
wraith juniper
He's like "your face" to his fans always. Hilarious to watch.
wary falcon
Saya will play from Korea and Sdb from Moscow
wraith juniper
SDB? @balmy wolf
wary falcon
SeemsGood
red anvil
For RA to make it to the groups they need to win 3-0 or 3-1 over MVP
wary falcon
Shadowburn
wraith juniper
@wary falcon right
balmy wolf
i think he is in their bootcamp right now
wraith juniper
I was watching a Korean pro *REDACTED playing in US server.
And he was very frustrated in comp because he couldn't understand what his teammate said in comms and that led to his teammates reprimanding him a bit
vestal mortar
Aww
wraith juniper
So I would appreciate if you can help me make my guide in Overwatch English shotcalling guide
wintry matrix
isn't there a post in cow about that?
vestal mortar
Ahh i saw that post on the subreddit!
red anvil
i mean, as long as you keep to whole korean rosters, do they really need it
red anvil
thats true i guess
wraith juniper
@red anvil it was in normal comp game that I saw so yeah
balmy wolf
NA comp is just weird, man
the average SR in top 500 is not as high as other regions
high amount of smurfs also means that there are generally less people to play and sharpen the skills
and then you have all the one tricks
that seems to plagued NA and not much else
wraith juniper
@balmy wolf "NA shit comp" come to SK server
balmy wolf
@wraith juniper funny because apparently i've nothing but positive experience whenever i queue up with a KR stack
hell one of my best matches was against a 6 stack
wraith juniper
@balmy wolf Oh yes we love foreigners
wary falcon
Before they only had to deal with Carpe
mighty and great Dafran?
wraith juniper
Koreans are very conscious of how West would view them
Hence why Kruise was so loved by Koreans
He is still popular though
red anvil
Dafran is just a dane, he might as well been NA
solid spear
Number 2 is Babybay lol
wraith juniper
@solid spear is he actually back?
wintry matrix
actually i think avg top 500 sr was higher in na
wary falcon
eu is the weakest region
solid spear
I can check but usually it's been Asia>NA>EU for SR
solid spear
S5 NA and EU you needed 4405
But the top of the leaderboard in NA and higher SR in general
wraith juniper
Maybe it's the number of players?
wait, with China out of Asia server, does Asia server have largest num of players?
balmy wolf
probably
Asia even without China
is a significantly more populous region than NA
it is partly why NA has always been a shit region in esport
Canada/America don't have the population like EU or Asia
and less population = less talents
solid spear
I mean people are comparing 2 countries to like 176000 EU countries
wintry matrix
also that
wary falcon
Sweden is around 9kk-10kk
wintry matrix
well, also helps that i think asia internet is way better than in the americas
wary falcon
it's not about population
wary falcon
less population = less talents
balmy wolf
it is only a part of it. Assuming 10 percent of the population plays OW
and only around 1 percent that is pro ready
a more populous a region in
a higher the number will be
wary falcon
USA just play other games
wraith juniper
Like my Brazil friend was really hesitant to buy OW bc in Brazil they have high tax in Games so they mostly play free ones
balmy wolf
USA the land of console.
wraith juniper
And Brazilian pros aren't exactly known to be strong
balmy wolf
which struck me as amusing when some guys tried to tell me that NA is good in esport
console esport and SSB
and I was like
being good in SSB and console esport is like being good at American Football when you are American.
literally the only country in the world in which it is a national sport
wraith juniper
What's SSB?
wraith juniper
Aha
wary falcon
super smash bros = ssb
PC market >>> console right now
if i'm not mistaken
and console + mobile ~ PC
wraith juniper
Can you be a pro if you play on console??
balmy wolf
Call of Duty and Halo are two foremost console esport.
wraith juniper
Wow talk about console peasants, they are actually like peasant class in OW
wary falcon
OW on console is actually awful
wraith juniper
OW console players are like second citizens ๐ข
wary falcon
without keyboard+mouse
wraith juniper
Actual peasants
fiery swallow
Yeah, pro console play is normally limited to fighting games.
solid spear
Eh its fine if you're used to it
wary falcon
K+M still has huge advantage
wraith juniper
But console doesn;t get console only balancing that much right?
solid spear
Sure that doesn't make the game awful on console
wary falcon
Console has same patch as PC but decreased Torb turret damage
and Pharmercy is aids on console
wraith juniper
Blizz need more console only balance
solid spear
He's meming
balmy wolf
btw, just as a pet peeve, i hate how "memeing" as replaced "joking" in the internet
wraith juniper
@balmy wolf The nature of language
balmy wolf
i hate it lol
balmy wolf
lol
jokes can means a lot of things
memes in common lexicon is basically pictures with funny captions
I remember when memes was actual memes
doing his old man impression
wraith juniper
I'm afrraid of the mods what if they tell us it's not on topic and ban me forever?
wintry matrix
nah, you will be fine
wraith juniper
@wintry matrix oh wow thats why he was hesitant to buy
wintry matrix
i bought it with a lot pain
wraith juniper
I lent him my accnt for like 1 month
wintry matrix
also the region has lots of potential good pros, but lack of infrasctruture and incestual region make it hard
imagina Blank without scrimming with apex teams
wraith juniper
@wintry matrix "incestual region" WHAT?
wintry matrix
brainfart
wraith juniper
Like Hamlet kind of incestual?
wintry matrix
i meant like BGH, a team which rarely loses a single map for maps, went to WC and was stomped
raw hatch
Hi guys im very new to ow e-sport scene and i wonder if someone can explain me how's the OW competitive scene compared to other games 
balmy wolf
there's ought to be a better word than Incestual lol
wintry matrix
so like, they dominate the region, but don't have the opportunity to improve to reach t2-t1 global
english fucks me like that from time to time
wintry matrix
if anyone has the money to do it, i'm sure they would in a heartbeat
i don't know much about BGH the org, don't know if they are rich
raw hatch
wraith juniper
@raw hatch I don't know a lot but they are soon starting Overwatch league which is Blizzard-hosted official league
wintry matrix
i don't know anything bout other games esport scenes
balmy wolf
@raw hatch what do you want to know?
wary falcon
OW pro scene is small
wraith juniper
No smaller than that
wary falcon
we will have league scene
raw hatch
i meant the format
wary falcon
currently we have nothing
wary falcon
dunno why we even need pro scene when we can buy another skin for Mercy
wraith juniper
eSports can be lucrative
balmy wolf
well right now the scene is in a flux @raw hatch
wary falcon
fu 
balmy wolf
due to waiting for 
wraith juniper
Like starscraft was to Blizz
balmy wolf
right now in NA and EU there's 
wary falcon
so if you are outside T1-T2-T3
raw hatch
whats the best region nowadays ?
balmy wolf
in Asia there's 
and 
wary falcon
welcome to matchmaking
balmy wolf
right now? Asia.
balmy wolf
only money wise.
raw hatch
is it like league where KR dominates and other regions have no chance ?
balmy wolf
not really.
wraith juniper
APEX is pretty good competition
balmy wolf
right now is looking to avoid that by making the scene truly global, not like league where KR can grind with themselves for a year and only have to face the world 2 times per year.
balmy wolf
KR will remains a good region to draw talents from but it is no guarantee they will dominate like League.
wraith juniper
@raw hatch it might be in worse version of the future but I wouldnt say hopeless at all
If NA scene and EU scene dwindles
I hope not
raw hatch
is there lots of money going on ?
balmy wolf
at the moment, there's some. The big prize is down the line in though
wraith juniper
Nor a lot atm OW league fee is quite high though
balmy wolf
where they promised 3.5 million in prize pool for first season
with 1 million for 1st
wraith juniper
@vestal mortar agrees
fiery swallow
Agilities
wary falcon
you can't simply choose best player in the world
fiery swallow
It really depends what you're comparing.
blazing parrot
if there had to choose it would probably be tviq or flow3r
raw hatch
hmm so its like dota
wraith juniper
Maybe you should ask for best players in each roles/chars
balmy wolf
Best is subjective. If we are going by accolades, 
is the best team. If you want recent result, 
wary falcon
after TI7 it's gh
raw hatch
wtf lol
wary falcon
did you see how other teams suffered because of him?
they were forced to ban his heroes because he is like the best forest abuser in the world
raw hatch
yea but it isnt like league or cs where you can see truly domination
wary falcon
TI was competition between best "4" players
wraith juniper
I can say for sure in Korean scene Ryujehong is doubtlessly considered the most talented star player @raw hatch
clever wagon
"Best player" in Overwatch is too difficult
raw hatch
ok so lemme ask again
blazing parrot
@balmy wolf @wraith juniper flow3r or ryuje
raw hatch
whos the best "carry"
wary falcon
Zai - Gh - Lil - Jerax - AhJi
clever wagon
Best Tracer? Best Genji? Best Ana? Best Winston? Most flex?
balmy wolf
accolades wise? RJ
blazing parrot
tviq @raw hatch
fiery swallow
^
wary falcon
Tviq is one of the most flexible players
wintry matrix
OW is way too teamplay-based so there's def only one carry
raw hatch
swedish 
wraith juniper
Because in choosing World cup reps the commitee said other playerse they were not sure, but RJH was sure pick first thing in their minds
wintry matrix
tviq couldn't carry misfits
clever wagon
TviQ is best carry because he's forced to 
wintry matrix
i think RJH is one of the few you can say are the best in what they do
wary falcon
BrokeBack
wintry matrix
RJH widow
balmy wolf
RJH Genji 
balmy wolf
Genji so bad that even KR fans mock him.
wary falcon
yes, only 30k
wraith juniper
RyuMercy Must see
clever wagon
First year
balmy wolf
^
clever wagon
"Only"
wary falcon
russian OW tournament has like $30 for first place
toxic yacht
RJH Genji is such a meme
wary falcon
come on
raw hatch
i see
fiery swallow
The current #1 sc player has made more than the whole of lunatic hai.
blazing parrot
i too wish i got payed 30k for the first year into a new esports
)))
and how old is sc
wraith juniper
@fiery swallow but OW scene is just starting though
wary falcon
SC is old enough to be dead
fiery swallow
It's also a lot less popular outside korea
clever wagon
If you're judging it by this first year with the tournaments scattered without OWL to compare to DotA's Majors and CSGO's stuffs that's just stupid
fiery swallow
The players aren't.
wary falcon
first CS:GO tournaments has small prize pool
blazing parrot
@clever wagon its not unfair its just stupid af
wary falcon
first Dota 2 tournament has 1kk
clever wagon
Stupid is a better choice of word
wary falcon
blazing parrot
how much do players get paid in owl again @balmy wolf
wraith juniper
I dunno but is OW hype dwindling?
blazing parrot
@wraith juniper its stagnating right now
clever wagon
50k per year minimum with healthcare and shit, not including winning prizes
blazing parrot
everyones sorta just waiting
fiery swallow
It doesn't have the biggest competetive playerbase.
blazing parrot
hype after OWL info release too
wraith juniper
@blazing parrot yeah it might reflect badly on eSPorts if Bliz doesn;t pull out 180
raw hatch
i wanted to win 50k a year playing videogames
clever wagon
It's not even "win"
wraith juniper
@blazing parrot make or break for eSports
blazing parrot
pretty much
clever wagon
You're guaranteed 50k per year minimum salary
blazing parrot
theyre trying to jump start their esports immediately after the first year
they dont want to wait 10 or 15 years for it to get big
fiery swallow
They don't have time.
smoky hinge
It sounds risky
clever wagon
I mean though
blazing parrot
might as well be blizzard
fiery swallow
If thye don;t go huge now cs and dota will just be dominant and OW will end up like SC2
raw hatch
Do you think there will be old players like in CSGO?
balmy wolf
@blazing parrot minimum 50K per year with insurance and retirement
blazing parrot
shieet
wraith juniper
Ryujehong's pretty old
raw hatch
ppl playing competitive til 28, 29 years old
smoky hinge
Literally copying the American Sports Infastructure that took 20-30 full years to devlop and cramming in into one year into eSports
clever wagon
With the rate of 3rd party organizers jumping in to hold competitions in 2016
smoky hinge
Jehong's like 27
raw hatch
taz has 30 i guess
blazing parrot
@wraith juniper theres an old sc veteren whos like 50 years old
raw hatch
lul
smoky hinge
ESCA is 27 was well, but he hasn't done his miltary service
blazing parrot
so take that as you will
clever wagon
Blizz probably wouldn't even have to wait 10 years for the scene to grow organically if they wanted to
smoky hinge
woah 50??
wraith juniper
Oh wow
clever wagon
3-5 years tops
smoky hinge
ESCA has a few months left right? it has to be done by 30 isn't it?
fiery swallow
50?
clever wagon
Then come in like Riot
wraith juniper
@smoky hinge I think ESCA will retire when receiving his military sevice
fiery swallow
That seems really old.
blazing parrot
i have tentative hope
wraith juniper
๐ฆ
blazing parrot
for owl
wary falcon
you can avoid joint damage
wraith juniper
@clever wagon but you have to
clever wagon
Since anybody would've done it already, but remember how many titles he has up to this day
wary falcon
most CS pro players retire only if they don't have other career choises to stay as a player
fiery swallow
SC at top tier is incredibly demanding.
blazing parrot
@wraith juniper people are quitting to be hired by owl and owl is hiring more and more people
so yea i have tentative hope
raw hatch
Did the best OW players used to play tf2 before ow come out?
fiery swallow
Nop
blazing parrot
Zoevia on the right side joined owl
wary falcon
some of them played TF2
fiery swallow
A lot from quake or newbies.
clever wagon
@wraith juniper Well, he's even confirmed as starting roster for Seoul's OWL team and OWL teams are going to relocate to LA temporarily later this year
smoky hinge
Didn't Ajax dig himself a hole
blazing parrot
yes
smoky hinge
and now he's not gonna be hired by any org, or OWL
clever wagon
Unless that changes, you go figure when he's going to do military
wary falcon
i think 30 will be fine age for esports in future
raw hatch
league players retire very young
blazing parrot
its just no one really trusts him that much anymore
raw hatch
i dont understand that
smoky hinge
Maybe ~32 is where most players are done
wraith juniper
You have to fulfill unless you;re disabled or orphan or you;re parent is a military hero or serve in military related industry @clever wagon
smoky hinge
Yeah, so I've heard
wraith juniper
Or you are severely short or underweight
blazing parrot
on one hand it shows orgs that if you pull shit players will leak but on the other hand not many trust ajax anymore
clever wagon
Like I said, I don't know
smoky hinge
don't you end up doing other work then anyway
blazing parrot
so sorta RIP
fiery swallow
You have to
clever wagon
You go figure, don't tell me to
I don't know jack shit because of reasons already stated above
fiery swallow
Loads of koreans pros stop playing bc of it.
smoky hinge
kpop bands on hiatus as well I've heard
wraith juniper
20 monthes in isolation from internet rusts their skills
smoky hinge
of course
clever wagon
Well, RJH did his military already and now he's in LH
smoky hinge
RJH is old
raw hatch
are monte and doa still in overwatch ?
raw hatch
they are very good
smoky hinge
Uber as well
clever wagon
Who cares if he's old if he still has it in him to live up to his accolades
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
smoky hinge
Yeah
fiery swallow
If he can hold his own it's fine, just a lot can't.
blazing parrot
cause old people cant play esports 
wraith juniper
RJH said he plan to play for a long time in the future
raw hatch
is the top 1 in ranked playing in a team ?
blazing parrot
i dont either LOL
fiery swallow
#1 NA is still carpe i think.
smoky hinge
Carpe, yeah
smoky hinge
Cantus
blazing parrot
isnt cantus aus
fiery swallow
NZ
blazing parrot
w/e
blazing parrot
@balmy wolf whos 1 in kr and eu?
fiery swallow
He's pretty good. Despite the cirlcejerk that happened a few months back.
fiery swallow
There was a huge witchhunt in OCE after him.
wraith juniper
Yep very infamous
blazing parrot
no shit
wraith juniper
Even famous in Kr
wary falcon
Cantus is my bae
smoky hinge
blazing parrot
if he didnt make that reddit post
blazing parrot
no one would have carred
toxic yacht
smoky hinge
"Through the power of friendship"
wraith juniper
@blazing parrot deserved for bragging yeah
fiery swallow
He's not #1 but he's probs still t500 material.
blazing parrot
@wraith juniper 
fiery swallow
He's a slippery cunt.
wary falcon
also how Blizzard will deal with boosting?
fiery swallow
He was a pain in the ass when i versed him.
blazing parrot
@wary falcon comp bans
smoky hinge
Cantus's whole reddit account is him basically embracing himself as a meme
wary falcon
What do you mean by meta? all heroes are viable to some point
wraith juniper
@smoky hinge Korea region is very populated so that could be alright
raw hatch
i mean compared to other games
fiery swallow
At the tippy top i think it's like 8-9 heroes.
wary falcon
but currently we have winston-centered comp
i pay people to play on my accounts so i can get event skins
clever portal
Cantus joined Taimou's discord a few weeks ago
raw hatch
for example: in league usually theres 130 - 140 champions but in tournaments theres only 50 or 60 that are really good
wary falcon
it will results into my ban?
clever portal
smoky hinge
Cantus is in the OCE Overwatch discord lmao
wraith juniper
In KOrean region pros play ๋ฉธ๋ง์ which is a comp six-stack of all pros so decimate other full stack pro team in comp
smoky hinge
He's very active there
blazing parrot
@wary falcon if you get reported i think yeah you could be
wary falcon
damn
smoky hinge
and oddly enough, no-one has ever confronted him
blazing parrot
account sharing is against tos
wary falcon
for example: in league usually theres 130 - 140 champions but in tournaments theres only 50 or 60 that are really good
just check CaptainPlanet update about meta
you will see popularity of heroes
fiery swallow
If it's in qp no one rly cares though
blazing parrot
@wary falcon you probably shouldnt have mentioned it here btw 
other people have been banned from this server for admitting that
smoky hinge
wary falcon
wary falcon
currently we have lucio+winston as must-picks
smoky hinge
wary falcon
on 5 accounts
blazing parrot
smoky hinge
5 accounts
fiery swallow
That's bloody impressive.
smoky hinge
and I thought me having three accounts was insane
wary falcon
i have 6 more
raw hatch
does the meta change very often ?
blazing parrot
three is the tos limit
wary falcon
not really
smoky hinge
no
raw hatch
so if theres a strong comp
wary falcon
Meta changes after patches
smoky hinge
it'll change soon
raw hatch
ppl play that for like 5 months in a row ?
smoky hinge
kinda, yeah
raw hatch
isnt it boring ?
fiery swallow
A few heroes go in and out but it stays mostly the same.
blazing parrot
season 1 no meta -> season 2 beyblade meta -> season 3 triple/quad tank -> season 4 (first week) protect bastion (and then) dive meta -> season 5 dive meta
smoky hinge
and then the meta changes and drunk taimou appears
balmy wolf
Fischer has 5 accs lol
smoky hinge
Kvothe actually read ToS 
wary falcon
2 tracers, 2 winstons, 2 lucio
fiery swallow
That was so bad.
wary falcon
then meta around 150 dmg widow
fiery swallow
S1 there was a bit of McCree at the start.
raw hatch
fiery swallow
i don't want to.
blazing parrot
or just 6 lucio with stacked sound amp
toxic yacht
towards the end of S1 it was zen and a ton of gengu in ranked iirc
pro meta was zen discord meta
blazing parrot
ye zen genji combo was pretty ridic
fiery swallow
They fixed it, don't remind me.
smoky hinge
Pre-Genji nerfs lul
fiery swallow
All the old animation cancel shenanigans.
blazing parrot
bring back triple jump 
solid spear
._.
frank frigate
Morning everyone, I just posted this week's Pro Scene meta report: https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/6wzn02/overwatch_pro_scene_meta_report_and_the/
This week's report features an interview with Babybay about McCree, and a new tool for searching team comps (which you can check out in this gif: https://gfycat.com/GiddyLoneKiskadee)
let me know what you think in the comments or by @ ing me here 
wary falcon
you asked about meta
raw hatch
ya
raw hatch
ty
balmy wolf
seems like it
in a tangent
but i'm going to have to reset my computer
and writing down all the password is a pita
also Jer and Sherlocky is LFT OWL
wintry matrix
wonder what's up with RNG
only j3sus is from the original squad i think
right now that is
wraith juniper
I thought you were talking about Random number generator @wintry matrix
wintry matrix
they might as well be with their tendency to choke
wraith juniper
burn ๐ข
balmy wolf
well they are consistent at choking at least
solid spear
Well guess we'll see if any of em get picked up
wraith juniper
@balmy wolf What does it mean to choke?
balmy wolf
@wraith juniper "a choke is the failure of an athlete or an athletic team to win a game or tournament when the player or team had been strongly favored to win or had squandered a large lead in the late stages of the event."
wraith juniper
is that related to choke point?
balmy wolf
nah
it is basically means that 
often failed to win games that they should win
a common narrative involving them is their ability to starts really strong
but then falter the longer the tournament goes on.
wintry matrix
i think that's a bit broad definition
i think it's more accurate when they are considered a strong team and/or the favorite
but they somehow manage to play really bad in key moments and then flounders
like using double support ults at the same time
balmy wolf
it is a broad definition
i used it because our friend here isn't used to colloquial language
wintry matrix
i don't even know why talked considering i'm so dumb when it relates to language and grammar stuff (that includes my native idiom)
i took the name from a game grumps video (don't bully me pls)
wraith juniper
Martha Stewart is a very famous DIYer.
Who is game grumps? @wintry matrix
Does anyone say if asked what is your favorite sports, you answer eSports?
balmy wolf
nobody ever asked me that lolz
wintry matrix
game grumps is an internet lets player
me neither
i'm not sure even if i prefer watching OW to regular sutff
tho playing soccer for me is def way better
blazing parrot
isnt martha stewart a chief that was prisoned for stealing money
@wraith juniper what does your name mean
blazing parrot
solid spear
Blue Bloods is clean
wraith juniper
It really sucks when you have Lucio Zen ult and waste both ๐ข
rapid oxide
Soccer 
wintry matrix
Runner at least everyone knows he doesn't have the skill, like he admits
what really tilts is seeing people like unkoeee doing that
actually futsal is way better to play than soccer
wraith juniper
Runner is still a great persona โค
wintry matrix
and knowledgeable
wraith juniper
He shields his players and actually cares for his team
clever portal
Atleast the gossip is that Esca is leaving soon for military service
So they need a veteran player to shotcall
Because none of the current players can
wraith juniper
@jagged crater long time passed after his scandal
jagged crater
did the community forgive him?
wraith juniper
there are a lot of antis who are still blaming him and say he's guilty but LTJ are close friends with RJH and Esca and a long time Lunatic member (or so I heard)
wary falcon
friendship with esca ended
now LTJ is best friend
x_x
jagged crater
esca :((
wraith juniper
I am not too well versed in the scandal itself but I know sizeable Koreans are mad at him still
Because we are that way.
blazing parrot
he got cucumbers
from his anti fans
ltj's ex gf started drama about him
iirc
which blew up
wraith juniper
Fl0w3er still gets a lot of backlash from his inappropriate chatting in TF2 when he was younger
jagged crater
unless they're rotten
wary falcon
maybe ltj reacts to cucumbers like a cat
wraith juniper
I mean A LOT
blazing parrot
monkaS
wary falcon
his inappropriate chatting in TF2
something something taimou
blazing parrot
didnt he make jokes about suicide?
wary falcon
nanohana joked about suicide
wintry matrix
timo with no crosshair holy moly
rose zealot
why don't pro players use skins in matches? Is there something in Blizz's policies?
wraith juniper
Bc it might confuse viewers
new viewers might not be familiar with all the skins @rose zealot
I personally want to see some skins
all white skin team
wintry matrix
i understand their reasoning, being an FPS with tons of vfx can confuse
and maybe they are doing team-specific skins
wintry matrix
apparently taimou didn't practice genji much
supple nymph
'2 hours' lol
last lantern
that would be way better
blazing parrot
https://twitter.com/j3sus_tv/status/902982942452011011
j3sus lft owl
Twitter
wintry matrix
so RNG ain't going OWL i guess
clever portal
5 hour energy didn't give 20 million 
toxic yacht
haffi is also LFT OWL, no 123, I guess, but that was kinda obvious
wintry matrix
so which is more likely, RNG bailing on OW, or they are making another team for OWL?
blazing parrot
rng bailing on ow imo
wintry matrix
didn't they have dtroit?
solid spear
Honestly I think every current non OWL team besides maube Faze will end up dying so not surprising
solid spear
I mean a couple have a chance but I'd go with the assumption that most current teams wont be a thing in OWL
blazing parrot
@solid spear bleeple baiter you :^) im so proud
hollow egret
whos the best team outside of korea i think its nV
oak peak
Anyone looking for an OFFICIAL overwatch esports team to join?
versed sinew
supple nymph
'official' 
blazing parrot
lul
blazing parrot
lel
smoky hinge
toxic yacht
smh weebs
solid spear
youre the biggest weeb here tho
vestal mortar
heck
toxic yacht
no
subtle crater
tf2 competitive scene > ow
vestal mortar
no
toxic yacht
the one with all of the pros who currently play OW instead of tf2
vestal mortar
subtle crater
i was making a joke lul
rapid oxide
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balmy wolf
vocal sky
Love the nickname @solid spear
solid spear
ofc 
subtle crater
why
vocal sky
Mainly for the 20m league buy in
solid spear
yeah its unforunate but OWL is supposed to be big
vocal sky
But there r only 9 teams so far
solid spear
so we may forget about this inevitably if OW becomes really big because of it
vocal sky
Maybe ten w/ nv
subtle crater
is this franchising or wut
vocal sky
Even team liquid is disbanding
balmy wolf
the goal is twelve, and there are probably more teams that are buying in
vocal sky
That's y they aren't in s1
subtle crater
wtf team liquid are rich
solid spear
only 1 team has made an official OWL roster announcement so far
vocal sky
Seoul?
solid spear
ye
subtle crater
lunatic hai*
vocal sky
I heard whoru isn't on it cuz he is too young
vocal sky
Can shadder play for another team or is he too young?
solid spear
hes 17 idk when he turns 18
if he were to be signed pretty sure hed have to sub for the beginning of the season
solid spear
I mean idk...he said he would but we havent heard from him in a few weeks
I think well be seeing him soon though 
bitter fox
Going pro under 18 in OW is canceroursly hard
I have a mate that's the highest rank in the UK because isn't considered for OWL because he's 17
Blizzard can't be bothered with the legal aspects lmao
subtle crater
Well you should be able to
Can't pass up on a talent just cause you haven't lost loads on an amateur team
balmy wolf
not without a proper talent pipeline. And at the moment the talent pipeline is borked because 
is preparing for
and also team play is significantly different from solo queue
you need to be able to adjust and show growth within a competitive environment that doesn't involves RNG
and that's why if you are high ranked and not in a team yet, you are shooting yourself in the foot
this period is actually one of the best period to grind with teams and practice
with the current power void atm
subtle crater
There isn't a power void tho
Koreans have already taken it
With teams like nv and rogue domianting fair, they were beatable
Koreans won't be beatable, even with the best western line up
balmy wolf
There is. You have to be in the actual competitive scene to get it. Right now tons of pro teams in NA are disbanded and LFT.
There isn't any structure atm because all the upper tier pros in NA is struggling to LFT
so if you want to make some noise and grind for when the pipeline is established
this is your best chance.
make a team, play in small tournaments that also often included ex pros, get experience, etc etc
this is hard time.
and only good men can born out of it if you take it.
balmy wolf
have he been playing in Go4Overwatch weekly then? @bitter fox ?
pulls a 
balmy wolf
blazing parrot
i didnt know calvin was on this server
wintry matrix
it'sgamerdoc is such a insuferabble cunt
btw, is Singularity finishing contenders?
wait
last lantern
That's a different team
wintry matrix
don't know what it is
last lantern
It's an esports app basically
wintry matrix
i know, i've only discovered later
the new roster is just for some players to use the spot to stay off the rust
and they can't change the name singularity
but SNG is def kill
wintry matrix
every time someone tries to justify their dva changes with "raise the skill" it tilts me
but his idea is worth a try
solid spear
why
wintry matrix
bc most of the time is a mccree simulator wannabe implying dva is low-skill
solid spear
I mean Bischu is one of the best D.Va players in the west and has been playing it for a while, and is like a legit off tank player not a dps forced to play off tank cuz of meta requirements the only reason hes even making the statement is because he feels the ability is underpowered on PTR so I dont think hes saying anything about him wanting "a mccree simulator wannabe"
wintry matrix
i'm just saying in general terms, like, with taimou in mind
i think his suggestions could be good
solid spear
I mean Timo didnt make the statement so idk what he has to do with it, he was pretty apathetic to the changes anyway
Timo was more concerned about spicy Mercy changes
I mean she seems worse on the PTR, I like the direction of the changes but numbers might still need tweaking
wintry matrix
i'm just salty when dva and low-skill are on the same sentence, you can just ignore it
gusty notch
solid spear
feral maple
i love how my friends say mccree doesnt take skill, but im a gm mccree
they know that too
wary falcon
Where Would a 14-year-old 4.2k Rated Player Look to Find a Team?
from r/cow
clever wagon
What of it
snow smelt
Wait
rare cosmos
man im relatively new here but did anyone else see sideshow's colour of toby video?
i really enjoyed that content
i love it when fights off screen are getting analyzed, so interesting to me
rapid oxide
https://twitter.com/PlayOverwatch/status/903059780842930177 not posting lewd fanart and trash memes for once
clever portal
fiery swallow
That clip is awesome.
short thicket
smh
vestal mortar
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clever portal
red anvil
Wonder where oreo bought his upvotes ๐
clever portal
Implying Oreo has that many points
solid spear
._.
vestal mortar
No bullying Oreo pls
clever portal
Oreo 
solid spear
good morning 
toxic yacht
morning friend
clever portal
smoky hinge
spring lintel
Nice emote
vestal mortar
Emote sports discussion
toxic yacht
I love esports and
raw hatch
clever portal
vestal mortar
Hopefully I'll be finished moving in time for Contenders this weekend. C:
Gotta find a new comfy spot for watching my esports
clever portal
balmy wolf
i watch at work lol
its always after too. the us plays while im asleep but i watched a lot of asia/australia
toxic yacht
Gotta watch Misfits 4-0 some scrubs again 
tfw I want both eUnited and misfits to make it out of groups but they probably won't except they 4-0 (dunno, didn't keep track of the numbers) them but I also wan't misfits to go out of the groups 12-0 
last lantern
Eunited might not make it if they continue to play the way they have
clever portal
Don't top 4 make it?
balmy wolf
Kungarna is my fav becuase of babybay picking mei haha but otherwise i look to Envyus to not let me down
clever portal
So 4 will make it
toxic yacht
oh yeah, I'm dum
for some reason I thought that there were 2 groups
ya, eU can still make it, and a lot can change in the time
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still, misfits 4-0'ing them like I want to will probably just lower their chances
balmy wolf
the most surprising to me would be iff detroit renegades won out overall