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#esports-discussion
clever wagon
fiery swallow
That flanker thing too.
clever wagon
Better to be consistent and able to turn the tide at any point rather than reaching a higher peak but always letting go of it early
balmy wolf
Idk, it's still gonna be a dive meta, I'm not sure if Zarya will swap with D.va or not yet, unless pros have started to scrim with Zarya again or something lol
fiery swallow
i don't think they'll swap but they might be a bit more interchangeable.
clever wagon
What makes you say RA had a higher peak than LH
Isn't RunAway's best to this date S2 performance if we consider a whole season
And if so that means their peak still isn't as high as LH because LH comes out on top for 2 consecutive seasons
balmy wolf
Doomfist is super anti-tank meta anyway I think, I guess bubbles could save people from the charges but idk, pretty sure DF's stupid fist has a much shorter cooldown than her shields anyway lol
clever wagon
Or do you mean the heights they managed to reach respectively considering their "starting point"
RA being this underdog of a team without any sponsor
And LH being a full fledged org to begin with
toxic yacht
peak as in, during that season in that match
toxic yacht
basically, beat them in the quarters, played better until they ran out of steam during the grand finals
clever wagon
They still let the lead go anyway
toxic yacht
also, LH is inconsistent as shit
red anvil
Well their pretty much doubling their roster from s2 finale
toxic yacht
the fact that they let their lead go away doesn't change the fact that RA peak > LH peak
clever wagon
I dunno, I'll take "inconsistent" but manages to come out on top 2 times in a row
red anvil
and invested a lot of money in
only reason LH was inconsistent in S3 was because they benched WhoRU
and still came out on top
balmy wolf
Is runaway even the 2nd best team? I thought Kongdoo was
clever wagon
They were in S2
red anvil
RA was 2nd team apex s2
red anvil
LH 4-3 them
toxic yacht
you cannot onetrick genji in this meta
red anvil
after being down 3-1
toxic yacht
they got lucky that doomfist is here
clever wagon
I misread S3 with S2
"LH wouldn't have won apex s3 with whoru" I'd expect Alwaysoov to have a better decision making than keeping WhoRU staying a Genji one trick
vestal mortar
Don't talk about my waifus like that
clever wagon
Also, I thought I remember someone here actually saying WhoRU's Tracer is also ok
balmy wolf
Aren't rogue and misfits like the epitome of inconsistent or w/e lol
toxic yacht
an apex season takes months
clever wagon
So what's that about him being a Genji one trick in S3
toxic yacht
a lot can change in that time
red anvil
Rogue was very consistent up until they was smecked in the face in Apex
gusty notch
pro one tricks lul
clever wagon
Rogue was consistent because they had no Korean tier opposition in the west
toxic yacht
eUnited has also started suffering because of this
toxic yacht
the only reason why he could otp in s2 was because his entire team palyed around him
and the meta allowed it
red anvil
Soov wanted to see gido instead of him, so he wanted to try it. And theres where most likely whoru was benched
clever wagon
And he wasn't really one tricking within the time frame he was around in S3
toxic yacht
s3 was even worse
for opting
he was only playing genji during his time in S3
then a bit tracer
vs teams where they knew that they could win
like vs rogue on 2CP and vs mighty AOD iirc
whoru's pharah sucks balls anyway
he has proven that he can play df and genji at that level
that's it
his tracer is said to be good but was never ever shown, instead of running a better comp with esca on 76 and whoru on tracer they just bench him and put tajun on tracer
there's probably a reason for that
gusty notch
this is why you have more than 6 players 
toxic yacht
like, I can guarantee you that half the reason why they could afford to bench whoru for the entire season is because they realized that he wasn't that valuable
clever wagon
I mean why are we even sticking to this issue because it's pretty much done thanks to the 8-man roster
clever wagon
Are Tobi and WhoRU wearing the same pair of glasses 
red anvil
whoru is mini tobi
toxic yacht
tobi is whoru irl
smoky hinge
lul
red anvil
he was right in front of our eyes the whole time 👀
wintry matrix
man, so disappointing RUnaway vs LH
Runaway were always outmuscling them, but then they would make key mistakes and lose the map
or LH would surprise them and boom, lost the map
wary falcon
Tobi vs Haksal was good
wintry matrix
i feel like Runaway couldn't adapt nearly as well as LH
solid spear
I can't wait to watch the vod and watch Haksal vs Whoru 
wintry matrix
oh dip, i spoilered
also LTJ outclassed Stitch
i'm not sure if the composition was "everyone support Haksal DOOM", but Stitch was really quiet, and lots of missed pulse bombs
apparently some dude on cow said there's been coordination problems, that would explain a LOT
solid spear
Don't worry about spoilers lol, I wouldn't be in esports discussion if I cared about spoilers
supple nymph
Twitter
wintry matrix
some sick plat lucio gameplay
supple nymph
balmy wolf
https://twitter.com/AlicusOfficial/status/902534370145292289 btw i'm in here actually
Twitter
supple nymph
add me
solid spear
No
rapid oxide
FUCKING BLIZZARD LAUNCHER 
balmy wolf
Ford made it 
rapid oxide
FULL 😢
rn
solid spear
supple nymph
@rapid oxide ill try to invite you as spec...
rapid oxide
ty bb ♥
supple nymph
anyone else wants in tell me
rapid oxide
i can stream the alicus cup 
supple nymph
reign getting fisted by Alicus 
balmy wolf
@toxic yacht dude, literally wake up and join the lobby asap
toxic yacht
how
balmy wolf
add Alicus lol
supple nymph
@toxic yacht you can hear voice comms here https://www.twitch.tv/kestler_ow
vestal mortar
Twitter
wintry matrix
another day on korean esports
clever portal
Free food Pog Champ
vestal mortar
Wish I had Korean anti-fans
balmy wolf
meanwhile, in alicus' custom games......
rapid oxide
Had silver dmg ppl were prasing skip 
balmy wolf
tfw you have gold damage/elims as Winston
clever portal
Vace in game? 
clever portal
supple nymph
@clever portal i can inv if you want in
clever portal
I don't have the game on PC
supple nymph
vestal mortar
toxic yacht
lmfao
balmy wolf
at least i solo ult @solid spear tho
vestal mortar
Nice
scenic bough
just played a game with effect. it was scary
vestal mortar
Will you have nightmares?
wintry matrix
he's ok
scenic bough
its was ffa deathmatch. so i will have nightmares
@wintry matrix what pro team are you on?
clever portal
Pog Champ
scenic bough
monkaS
supple nymph
@vestal mortar need 1 for alicus 6v6 wanna come
rapid oxide
https://twitter.com/esportsobserved/status/902564785933369344 is OW a violent game? 
blazing parrot
lul sorta
vestal mortar
I'm not at home @supple nymph 😭
solid spear
thick cosmos
https://twitter.com/Henzuyall/status/902265517746118661 Not sure if anyone already posted this
Twitter
blazing parrot
who?
wintry matrix
dps from vivi's adventure
blazing parrot
who?
gusty notch
balmy wolf
@supple nymph saw it lolz
blazing parrot
🕯
solid spear
🕯
clever portal
He only got banned for a season
blazing parrot
@clever portal jeff posted more info of new report system
in it if youre banned for more than x comp seasons you get completely banned from comp
clever portal
Yeah it says if you get banned for multiple seasons
Dafran only got banned for one till now
blazing parrot
im not going to be suprised if he gets banned from more than just 1 in the future
unless he really changes
blazing parrot
lel
wintry matrix
i'm assuming by reforming you meant reforming houses as a construction worker
balmy wolf
or reforming burgers as a burger flipper
wintry matrix
making burgers healthy instead of toxicc
blazing parrot
ptr or live
clever portal
Live
supple nymph
live.. i think
blazing parrot
👀
supple nymph
blazing parrot
i wonder whats its for
blazing parrot
Players who place in Diamond or below can now lose their place in that tier if their Skill Rating drops below the minimum requirement. However, they’ll still earn their end-of-season rewards for their highest skill tier placed
supple nymph
versed sinew
"Anti-stall timers for control points have been reduced to negate stalling as a viable tactic"
thought you guys would like to know that
toxic yacht
ya, they mentioned it a bunch of times
don't think that 2cp isstill gonna get fixed though
clever portal
I guess LH salary
Maybe some sort of cash from apex finals
Not too big a deal at 16
Or 17
solid spear
1.6k feelsgoodman
limber pine
who's scott smith?
balmy wolf
one of the veteran esport figures
blazing parrot
@balmy wolf oh? in what?
balmy wolf
blazing parrot
👀
balmy wolf
he went back all the way from Brood War days
balmy wolf
blazing parrot
oh god
balmy wolf
@clever portal gotta nope the fuck out of that thread
guys getting shit on by other guys by telling them to kill themselves or whatever
one girl getting joked on and everyone is offended for her
classic NA
blazing parrot
what did he do
clever portal
supple nymph
Twitter
balmy wolf
slowpoke.
limber pine
Renegades has looked terrible
clever portal
he said to mercy
"When you heard the name Taimou did your pants drop? How horny are you right now? I'm fucking wet."
grill mercy main
blazing parrot
i like how she left halfway threw that
balmy wolf
@limber pine Mangachu advertised himself as a tier one projectile player. But can't Genji.
🤔
blazing parrot
@balmy wolf i do think what he said is rather creepy tbh and that guys shouldnt be allowed to tell each other to kill themselves imo
balmy wolf
guys will still do it anyway
blazing parrot
shouldnt mean they should
balmy wolf
honestly tho
whoever try to bring Mangachu into their team
as the carry
expect tears and hardships
wintry matrix
sad, but that's what RNG needs
i'd suppose they don't want a 7-man roster
he was the captain wasn't he? did he shotcall too?
toxic yacht
what in the actual fuck
bet it's with danteh
yes, it's with danteh
danteh used to be a "pro" in minecraft, so it's no surprise
vestal mortar
lmao
rough night
blazing parrot
tviq is streaming pro ptr pugs rn btw
toxic yacht
ya
blazing parrot
who is he playing with
toxic yacht
jake with 300000 ping
blazing parrot
veineless on mercy 
blazing parrot
@toxic yacht junks probably going to get damage reduction soon
toxic yacht
good
last lantern
How did renegades go from beating C9 3-1
and playing close game with kungarna
to getting stomped themselves now
balmy wolf
the old 
curse that's what
solid spear
Beating C9 means nothing
wintry matrix
Their best period was with manofsnow and gods
last lantern
Why does beating C9 mean nothing
clever portal
Because they were a mid tier team
last lantern
And renegades wasn't?
Wait ur saying C9 at the time was mid tier while renegades and kungarna and Hollywood we're a higher tier then them?
balmy wolf
if both are mid tier why do you think one beating another is a huge achievement?
historically has been lacking energy to go far. Their tendency to choke also doesn't help.
last lantern
Yes but how was C9 mid tier
Mangachu himself said that they were the scariest team in the group
balmy wolf
never lived up to their potential
their roster is not mid tier but their performance is mid tier.
they has always been scary ON PAPER
but honestly everything they did post MLG Vegas was a let down
last lantern
takeoverM
rapid oxide
=
last lantern
Rivalcade
3rd and 2nd
While I agree with that the roster never lived up to its potential
Hahahah vace
What a comparison
rapid oxide
supple nymph
Twitter
clever wagon
6 GB for live? That's a fuck ton
clever wagon
Lmao Pachimari marketing himself
balmy wolf
better pump out about dozens more skins
and spray
instead of improve competitive experience
blazing parrot
supple nymph
gusty notch
apex vods
wintry matrix
wait, OW is still 2nd most played game in pc bangs?
from what i've seen the chart, the situation doesn't look bad
considering pubg didn't surpass it
supple nymph
envyus, rogue, envision
vocal sky
Y envision?
wintry matrix
nV and Rogue are very dominating,
vocal sky
Ya Ik that
wintry matrix
but Rogue is in a slump rn, and it could lose the place
vocal sky
It's the third that's a question
wintry matrix
as for all the others, it always changes
recently it was IMT, but they seem a bit more inconsistent
supple nymph
envision beat rogue and immortals
wintry matrix
envision is on the rise def
vocal sky
Who thinks that sinatraa is carrying c9 eu?
vocal sky
Damn
supple nymph
all the NA teams but envyus play really inconsistently
so it might not even make sense to rank top 3
wintry matrix
i forgot Misfits came to NA technically
tho even then wouldn't put them in the top with nV
solid spear
He said in the west
Not NA
Calling Envision a top 3 team in the west for beating 2 slumping teams is premature to say the least
got some good wins but c'mon
wintry matrix
true oreo, i'm dunk
then you would lump Eunited, even tho they slumped a bit in contenders
i don't think we can call IMT slumping yet
balmy wolf
all of the old kings except 
are slumping now.
maybe they all needed a break and not some fucking World Cup.
balmy wolf
has a few people going to KR and WC i think
didn't have anyone to scrim during WC
because everyone is off to represent their country,
etc etc
wintry matrix
vacation then
scrim against any available t2 teams to keep the rust off
like, there was still good teams like 123
supple nymph
@balmy wolf do you think immortals will post new training gimmick of the week?
balmy wolf
new training gimmick???
supple nymph
dzmins is always posting some shit
wintry matrix
which is pretty cool
balmy wolf
lots of the stuff he posted is just team cohesion stuff
that is popular in LoL
sometimes he'd take them out to gun training, etc etc
it is mostly to build team cohesion
not training gimmick
supple nymph
balmy wolf
you know what a real training gimmick? Scrim without ults.
Or scrim with ults every team fights.
that's real gimmick.
wintry matrix
i could see that giving some perspective
balmy wolf
no ult scrimming in theory should improve raw mechanical skills in a team fight
wintry matrix
also maybe to not waste
balmy wolf
and also make team more dependent on proper tactics and set up
rather than just ult it out like crazy
cough cough
supple nymph
ic
balmy wolf
scrimming with ults every team fight is basically learn how to outmanuever the other team and trading ults effectively.
these are not replacement for normal scrimming tho
it is supplement
good luck try to have it tho
wintry matrix
one of the things that triggers me the most when watching OW esport is see ults being used idiotly
supple nymph
when did that guy join imt?
wintry matrix
probably been there for a while
solid spear
this will likely make or break their contenders season
balmy wolf
yup
and 
both can beat
I'm more worrying about tho
is good at counter strating
while has better raw mechanical skill imo
supple nymph
is rogue going to get a coach or something
supple nymph
too much egos?
supple nymph
wow
balmy wolf
probably not used to such thing.
supple nymph
several pros watching 👀
blazing parrot
of course
clever wagon
Why is team recreation a "training gimmick" lol
I actually like what Minsoo is doing with IMT boys
You can be as pessimistic about it as you want and it's still a good face against the stigma that says pro gamers just dwell in the basement and grind the shit 24/7
clever wagon
Yes, I still like what Minsoo is doing and I'm not being pessimistic about it
I mean, things like dividing chores and putting in discipline
Compare what we can see in IMT team house to NRG ant crusade
supple nymph
from the outside it looks like they have every second of their lives micromanaged
maybe not, but if so I dont think that is healthy for anyone
other teams seems like they just let people do their thing and the coaches give their advice when needed
and dont get in their face telling them what to do 24/7
clever wagon
... What?
gusty notch
does look a bit micromanaged
clever wagon
It's pretty much acting like a guardian for 17-18 year olds
supple nymph
ah
clever wagon
Their head coach is ookz
supple nymph
dont other teams have younger players?
clever wagon
If you're really just gonna let them grind 24/7 if that's what they want, being 17-18 year olds
Then pal
If I were their parents I'd have an issue with it
I mean shit, you don't even have to be a parent to see something wrong with that
Just be a sensible adult
supple nymph
i would assume they just keep them for a certain amount of hours a day and not think about the rest
like a traditional job
wintry matrix
also regular esports, your lifestyle is regulated a lot
maybe not to Korean levels of micro
but shit like exercising (obviously), to nutrition, nightlife etc.
supple nymph
it's not letting them grind 24/7 it's just saying it's none of our business what yuo do outside your work hours
wintry matrix
if it influences the job, then it kinda is
clever wagon
I'm pretty sure they have free hours
It's just that they're doing things like getting chores and other daily necessity shit done before going into scrim hours or having that allocated free time
I mean fuck
Think what you want about Asian stereotypes
But does the western boys there have any problem with it?
Or have they spoken up?
I don't know what you're looking at to say it actually looks like they have every second micromanaged
last lantern
I wanna see FaZe for once be consistent
supple nymph
no real source
i guess when i saw this https://twitter.com/Cpt_Candy_Cane
it seems like there wouldnt be enough hours in a day to do everything two coaches planned lol
plus dzmins unless he has no involvement
maybe it isn't like that
opal rain
Were there are games in particular that current professional Overwatch players came from? Like were a lot of them professional CoD players before? Or were most of them randoms?
opal rain
Ah gotcha
cunning cloak
balmy wolf
i swear some people who plays OW are autistic and entitled as fuck
"assists should counts"
"that's not FFA DM tho"
"but this isn't COD"
civic marsh
do you think assists should or should not count
solid spear
I think they should but I'd redo the scoring system entirely
And make you lose points for deaths as well
But I guess this is simpler
civic marsh
like if they increased the score limit then made kills worth 2 and assists worth 1, with deaths worth -1
or something like that
right now it does feel shitty to do 90% of someones health only for some genji to dash through them
solid spear
Something like that yes
It's kinda dumb you can have 20/2/22 and someone 19/15/5 and win
civic marsh
k/d/a ?
balmy wolf
assists should not counts in FFA
you are assisting an enemy
who counts assist for enemy???
no one, that's who
civic marsh
so you and someone are dueling, you're both weak, some lucky genji comes round the corner and dashes through you both
that's fair?
solid spear
Eh game doesn't punish you for dying and encourages you to let other people do work for kills
Iike let me watch this McCree 1v1 and jump in when hes 5 health
balmy wolf
killsteal is literally in the blood of every FFA mode ever
do you think people complains about it in Quake, COD, UT?
no.
DM has always place a premium on finishing your kill anyway
civic marsh
I wouldn't say it bothers me enough to classify my concerns as "complaints" but it could be improved i think
solid spear
I mean I'm not really complaining but like a different scoring system is viable
I wouldn't discard it this game isn't comparable to other fps
With how certain characters work
civic marsh
especially when some heroes have such poor ttk and other heroes have huge health pools
balmy wolf
DM is kind of anethema of OW's concept anyway
some characters are really unbalanced in DM
Roadhog, Sombra for example
solid spear
Old Roadhog would've been broken as hell in DM
balmy wolf
new one is still broken btw
solid spear
You actually get your kills stolen a lot rn cuz you leave squishies with <50 health
McCree is defintely DM goat
balmy wolf
yeah McCree is like 👍
civic marsh
genji is decent too with dash reset
balmy wolf
not really.
civic marsh
yeah he is
balmy wolf
chaining kill with Genji is much harder in DM
civic marsh
he's strong even without that and sometimes you get the crazy 3 or 4ks because everyone is weak
and his ult is pretty good for dm too
wary falcon
Dash is only 50 damage and you need it to escape
balmy wolf
OW DM is mostly small 1v1 skirmishes. Brawling with multiple people is not exactly common tbh.
solid spear
DM is all about stealing kills though and dash does that
wary falcon
It's a rare situation when you can get chain
solid spear
And blades good
balmy wolf
only if everyone bunched up maybe
civic marsh
hog is probably the best though
i messed around in some mystery heroes FFA games on ptr
and whoever got hog first built such a lead
solid spear
Of the tanks sure
balmy wolf
the new junkrat is also aids in DM as well
balmy wolf
honestly the new Junkrat is OP in the worst way
Widow was OP but it requires skill
but Junkrat in PTR Pug is literally spam
with 1v1 ability up to grill with 2 conc
it is just cheese
civic marsh
i've seen some guys play lucio and just camp the edges of the map and boop idiots off lol
solid spear
Mine shouldn't be 120 damage If he gets 2 of them
balmy wolf
yeah just like how they nerfed D.va back in the beginning of the year
it didn't took like 4 months or some shit
civic marsh
at least they haven't taken months to nerf doomfist
every ptr it seems he gets nerfed again
balmy wolf
so far it is only indicated that the hitbox was a major nerf
the rest seems to be just bugs as per usual
bugs bugs bugs
patch one down
another 100 bugs spawn
solid spear
Well Wolf Mercer said they're keeping an eye on Junk at least cuz someone mentioned mine being op
balmy wolf
that's what he said.
solid spear
It should be like 90 damage or something imo
balmy wolf
ETA? No idea.
80 dmg tbh
It is stupidly easy to land a splash grenade and follow up with a conc
and that's one dead squishy
civic marsh
how much damage does his trap do
balmy wolf
80
older Junkrat trap/mine combo means that you are dead. That's fair.
maybe increase the trap damage
solid spear
No
balmy wolf
increase trap damage to 120, lower the conc to 80.
I think that's fair.
although i'm not quite sure about the balancing direction that is seemingly taking hold
where instead of making a character better at what they do
the dev is trying to make their weaknesses smaller
civic marsh
it sucks imo
wary falcon
Stickyjumping Junkrat is live?
solid spear
120 damage trap nah I'll pass fam
civic marsh
roadhog -> damage dealing tank who has to be careful where he heals or he'll feed like crazy
nerf his damage and make him move while healing and have DR
civic marsh
he feeds ults simply by existing and now can't deal enough damage to make him worth it lul
balmy wolf
another example is Junkrat
he is weak 1v1
and Pharah
let's make him better at 1v1 and can go up to deal with Pharah himself
civic marsh
can't wait to see overwatch in a year or 2 where every hero is a soldier 76 variant
solid spear
The RH changes have been fantastic and have 100% made sense glad hes viable
balmy wolf
oh yeah Bastion too.
wary falcon
Can now be used while moving
how to turn heroes into shitty soldier-54
balmy wolf
idk who's leading these changes tbh
burnt token
doesLH2 have the potential to be another top tier team? i mean i have never heard of most of those players
balmy wolf
oh yeah, Widowmaker's hook cooldown is also another headscratcher
solid spear
No guys Roadhog had to be nerfed because he was a flanker
solid spear
At least Mercy got nerfed on PTR
balmy wolf
@An innocent Kiwifruit#0199 some of them has experienced playing in higher level before
solid spear
Pretty hard actually
wary falcon
Not sure why hard
balmy wolf
like i said, trying to make everyone better equipped against their natural counters is just the wrong way of balancing.
they are natural counters for a reason.
I suspects whatever the next meta might be
it is going to be AIDS as fuck
and people are just going to clamors for the days of tanks and dive again
civic marsh
can't wait for the inevitable pharah buff where she can boost horizontally to make her stronger against hitscans
clever wagon
Headshot hitbox hello? https://youtu.be/pHxP5CrsVdQ?t=12
civic marsh
it was hard to imagine them wanting to go back to tanks though lol
gusty notch
fair
balmy wolf
people never appreciated what they has until they has to contend to reality
we need to nerf Reinhardt
6 months later
can we have Reinhardt back in the meta again?
dive is weak. Can we do something about it?
6 months later
oh my god dive is cancer
people never fucking learns.
clever wagon
Naw naw Reign
wary falcon
Meta with Reinhardt was cancer
clever wagon
The thing with Dive is kinda even worse I think lmao
Well, not worse
Funnier
S1 we had the Winston-Tracer-Lucio
clever wagon
Then one hero limit was put in place
civic marsh
double monkey 
balmy wolf
just wait until the new Mercy and Junkrat suddenly become meta and then people starts asking for Ana buffs
despite hating her for a few months due to how meta warping she was
clever wagon
Like, it's hilarious how we've basically come full circle especially with dive
balmy wolf
balmy wolf
Meta moves in cycle @clever wagon
it is more likely than you might think.
next patch probably some form of 2/2/2
clever wagon
Yeah but I mean the same exact dive
wintry matrix
i was one of those that thought Ana was super broken bc of nade
now i think she's pretty alright
clever wagon
But I guess that's because how Blizz balances everything
wintry matrix
one of the reasons i prefer to wait for stuff
civic marsh
i still think her grenade is broken but blizz achieved what they wanted by hitting her damage
wary falcon
2/2/2
we already have this one
wintry matrix
her dmg was stupid, that i'm glad it was changed
balmy wolf
Ana is still stupidly high skill anyway. The grenade is barely op when the meta is literally having 4 people diving on her all at once.
civic marsh
@balmy wolf i do agree that this meta has done her no favours either
balmy wolf
@wary falcon yeah and it will come back in some other form. Right now it is dive meta. 2/2/2 is a bit more on that
@civic marsh funny her grenade nerf was what bring out the change to the first place
I still remember being one of the first team to run dive defense
back in Feb
and months later suddenly everyone and their mom dives
civic marsh
what do you think about the doomsayers predicting pharah mercy rampage after new mercy hits live
balmy wolf
the next meta might be Zarya/Reinhardt/Junkrat/Mercy/McCree/Lucio tbh
boosted McCree/Junkrat shit on everyone.
gusty notch
think a lot of things are rly strong rn tbh
civic marsh
pls no
civic marsh
nano junk double 180 damage bombs
wintry matrix
just imagine, pharah duels
balmy wolf
boosted McCree shit on Pharmercy. Boosted Junkrat shit on everyone on the ground. And Grav naturally synergize with Deadeye and Riptire.
solid spear
Junk is still gonna be pretty map dependant
and theyre not playing on live patch in contenders
civic marsh
boosted junkrat bomb 1 shots tracer and he has 2 of them lul
solid spear
chances are hell be nerfed by the time they switch patches
balmy wolf
who knows tbh
gusty notch
the forums should go crazy dying to junkrat spam all day, will get nerfed quick
balmy wolf
if the next patch become Mercy dependent tho, i'd kms tbh. Imagine highly mechanical player like Boombox, Unkoee, RJH playing Mercy 
solid spear
I dont think youll see that much more Mercy tbh
balmy wolf
her new rez is kind of op in its own right
right now it is 30 seconds
and it can negates an entry frag advantage
and a team fight can last long enough that she'd get back during and after it
solid spear
range is short af and you dont get invincibility itll be like launch where half the time you die trying to rez or you trade
the difference is you get 1 max
wintry matrix
i don't think mercy will be op
solid spear
like if someone dies even a little out of position youll probably die trying to rez them
wintry matrix
i'm hoping she will be viable, but i'm not sure of even that
solid spear
its not safe at all
wintry matrix
maybe you'll get a zarya for that protection?
solid spear
I still think shell almost entirely be used in Pharmercy
and the battle Mercy ult meme is dead
since the pistol is the same besides the unlimited ammo
balmy wolf
Earlier in the PTR Pugs the rez is exclusively use for rezing people that died first.
and GA is like 2 seconds
plenty of time to fly in and fly out
solid spear
you fly in and die a lot
wintry matrix
like, in mid-battle it won't matter a lot
civic marsh
forcing an attacking team to get 2 picks instead of 1 before pushing is pretty big
wintry matrix
it will invalidate a out of position pick before the push
solid spear
like at launch even with triple the rez range you died a shit ton using it without invul
balmy wolf
mind you at launch one of the reason why Mercy died a lot because she couldn't move when rezing
now she can
that's a major difference
solid spear
also with Pharmercy you cant rez til soul hit the ground and you need to slowly glide to the floor to rez your Pharah
theres a decent chance you die
the range nerf is so big I dont think people realize how often you can die going for rez
wary falcon
with 2 mines junkrat will be in meta, right?
on some maps atleast
Taimou, nanohana, unfixed
they can play junkrat on a very high level
balmy wolf
@solid spear if a PTR Pug full of top tier pro player can't reliably kill the Mercy, don't expect anyone else will either
That's why I think McCree will come back because he has the tool to do it more reliably than other
balmy wolf
because it was spam heaven with Junkrat nades
the PTR Pug was just messy to watch tbh
wary falcon
Doomfist is too crucial right now and Mccree can hide his limitations (pharah and tracer to some point)
balmy wolf
both team doing their best bronze impression
wintry matrix
oh, i thought you meant mercy was especially harder to kill bc of herself
i wouldn't DOOM Is winston levels of essential yet
especially on 2CP, and some koth like Oasis
bc of sombra
or maybe not, i'm dumb
balmy wolf
@wintry matrix
solid spear
She was hard to kill in ult but she moves almost 20% slower now
balmy wolf
my point is mostly that the new Mercy might be more annoying that intended.
wintry matrix
the only thing from the ult i wanted nerfed was the duration
jagged crater
think the hitbox nerf to doomfist wont make him as crucial anymore
wintry matrix
everything else was
👌🏻
balmy wolf
one other thing about Mercy ult that i found annoying is that its activation reset all the cooldown
you can rez someone and immediately rez another upon activation
and then 10 seconds later you can rez another one
3 rez within 20 seconds
jagged crater
even for pros, 50% of the rocket fist hits wouldn't have hit under the new hitbox
wintry matrix
oh yeah, i forgot about that
i also wasn't happy with the frequency of rez in ult
i'd rather they made you rez more people on larger range or something
balmy wolf
this game is full of flawed design tbph
Mercy has been one of them
Roadhog, D.va is another
and I suspected Orisa will also be another as well
design that often sounds good on paper but execute rather horribly in practice because the dev doesn't realized how quickly a playerbase can exploit and break the game.
wintry matrix
i disagree, i'd say only new hog has bad design
i guess mercy was a bit lacking in utility
balmy wolf
her rez was bad design
and her kit was very one dimensional
D.va isn't that badly designed but she has always been a consistent headache in whatever meta she was a part of
Roadhog is just Roadhog. I don't think that his design is that bad either
but it caused a lot of grief for people because well, positionings is not people's strong suit.
wary falcon
Roadhog as only 1 problem: he is useless
wintry matrix
that's the thing with dva, i think it's bc she doesn't give a free pass for dps, then people complain
wary falcon
it's not about his ult charge battery status
solid spear
Eh D.Va was really aids and she's the hero I played the most this season
Like I don't even hate her but DM was pretty cancerous
balmy wolf
DM was a sort of neccessary evil anyway
Expect some bitching once people realized that without DM squishies are going to be easy meat for all the DPS ults
solid spear
I disagree, people say that and forget this time last year like no one played her at high level
So how neccesary is a broken DM for the game
wintry matrix
you'd also have to factor perception of meta
wintry matrix
now people agree that 3-4 people jumping on supports is good
balmy wolf
right now in practice DM is what helped squishies survived the dive.
and with a nerf DM and somehow improve ability to burst people down
playing support without some form of damage mitigation is going to be AIDS
wary falcon
Also Deathmatch FFA is the best thing in overwatch right now
after mercy heels of course
i hope they will make ranked dm
balmy wolf
and also last year D.va was used in triple tank
in triple tank the DM is to relieve pressure for Reinhardt's shield and shut down 76
wary falcon
she wasn't must-pick
balmy wolf
not as a peel tank like now.
balmy wolf
she was when she was OP for 4 months between last months of 2016 and a long stretch in the beginning of 2017
replacing Zarya
solid spear
It was November to beginning of Feb
balmy wolf
a solid 4 months
solid spear
Like 2 and half actually
solid spear
I mean I don't even think D.Va is OP at least not in the traditional sense, but I also don't think 4 second DM is a "neccesary evil"
balmy wolf
it is neccessary evil in the current meta.
the next meta it might be obselete due to Doomfist's presence
which is why the upcoming patch feels like nerfing Roadhog right when dive was getting prevalent
and thus remove any obstacle any possible counterplay against dive.
Blizzard's patch timings has always been suspected. They either buff/nerf things too late, or too soon.
All the datas in the world but their timings has always been shit because they strives to balance for everyone
and good fucking luck with that
solid spear
thick cosmos
Vivi's adventure disbanded 😦
clever portal
clever portal
@dense anvil
clever portal
simple owl
clever portal
dense anvil
simple owl
Would you call the London team "London Ultraviolence"?
clever wagon
Your fault
toxic yacht
wtf is even happening
toxic yacht
Your fault
simple owl
dense anvil
alicus is never gone
bold hound
who is alicus ?
clever portal
vestal mortar
👀
toxic yacht
is this flamecord light now?
vestal mortar
Flamecord is better. This is where all the people banned from flamecord live.
bold hound
flamecord is the world, timocord is where people go that were banned from flamecord, this is where people go when this dicord gets mentioned in flamecord
red anvil
Meanwhile i'm in all 3 and got banned from none of them
red anvil
They are super welcoming tho 😃
They may or may not bully white names but mostly just Arny
clever portal
vestal mortar
Yeah I might try join in more of the tournament discussion next time.
rapid oxide
red anvil
One thing i've learned of the internet, never assume someones gender
vestal mortar
Because weeb senses.
rapid oxide
i said also "pls you have kyb"
toxic yacht
I'm in all three although I only lurk in timocord because the people there scare me
especially khamou
I'm in only one channel, if you recognize that name and know why I blocked him, 👀
red anvil
i dont even lurk in timocord, gota verify my acc on mobile
which i havent been arsed of doing
clever portal
I muted everything other than two
You don't need to phone verify
Just get a pink name
red anvil
Thats teemo sub?
clever portal
It's a role for people who don't want to phone verify
clever portal
Message Kurista
toxic yacht
I mean, I'm never active there anyway lul
I only go to literally one channel, you can probably already guess which one
red anvil
NSFW Kittens?
clever portal
I'm guessing you know RT then
toxic yacht
👀
red anvil
and i dont wane know whats in there, i've only seen the channel name
toxic yacht
👀
vestal mortar
🤔
clever portal
burnt token
anyone know why the english version for lh2 and element mystic is not streaming yet?
burnt token
ohh rip
snow smelt
Mercy
toxic yacht
Twitter
also, watching pros complain about blizz not listening to their feedback and then seeing this tilts me to no end
Twitter
vestal mortar
Okay I'll make sure I only post when you're awake in future
red anvil
Pros can be so extremely self entitled, like most other people unfortunately
Glad at least tivq wane try out the PTR
limber pine
The last time Blizz wanted feedback from pros they provided practically none
Things may have changed since, but I doubt droves of pros are giving feedback
vestal mortar
Yeah I wish they would have taken tviq's games seriously as a valuable method of providing feedback to Blizz 😦
wraith juniper
Hey do you think a lot of people will be interested in captions to youtude vids of Korean Pro players?
It's a lot of effort to make one (voice comms to noisy and buzzy) but I don't see a lot of foreigners in their vids
red anvil
The ones OGN puts out are very popular but i dont think there would be a huge demand for it
90% of the the time they just seem to screaming X hero for kill x3
red anvil
hahaha, nope
valid grotto
x3
vestal mortar
I am interested c:
wraith juniper
@vestal mortar I can guess whose vid you're interested in haha
vestal mortar
😉
balmy wolf
probably a bot.
wary falcon
it is
wraith juniper
tut tut
wintry matrix
maybe ure all are just stallions
balmy wolf
too bad i'm a jaded mid 20s fat asses
wraith juniper
But only deperately horny teens will be actually fooled
toxic yacht
I got a friend request from a very suspicious looking "girl" like that too
A few days ago I heard that these "skype bots" have started invading discord
vestal mortar
_>
toxic yacht
looks like this garbage is happening to all of us, lul
wintry matrix
DAE discord is ded
vestal mortar
Yes
vestal mortar
Wow
red anvil
I mean at least i've gotten DMs from catfishes that werent bots
does that make me special?
red anvil
they were even active in #general-discussion
balmy wolf
btw i'm tempted of bumping my sens from 4.5 to Tviq's 7
i'm seemingly tired of all of the arm aiming for the last few months lol
red anvil
Find your own sens rather then following pros
i use higher sens then tivq and i use only arm pretty much
toxic yacht
I love how everyone is always so surprised when they see that tviq plays with 800 7
people tend to expect something lower
red anvil
6400 eDPI vs 5600 or something