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#esports-discussion
balmy wolf
supple nymph
π― πΊπΈ π―
sturdy granite
RIP LEFT SIDE
wintry matrix
France also won't be reaching finals
civic marsh
usa v sk 
naive plover
ill be the guy who reposts stuff from the ow now
short vault
F in the chat
burnt nimbus
Watching US shittalk Korea is funny
sturdy granite
EZ 4 USA
solid spear
EZ W
burnt nimbus
Korea could win with a 5 v 6
solid spear
Unlucky for SK
short vault
rule: whichever is memed about most is 100% going to happen
civic marsh
i dont think they're capable of choking
solid spear
The right side is so stacked lul
burnt nimbus
to choke you must first breathe
balmy wolf
this is what I called "tempting fate", lol
naive plover
more fun like this than only 4-0 matches
burnt nimbus
so finals will be Canada vs SK?
burnt nimbus
lol
civic marsh
burnt nimbus
Hopefully we'll see France not Rogue in the world cup
because when they play as rouge it sucks
but France did good
naive plover
im still pretty confident with team uk
burnt nimbus
Yea they could do good
balmy wolf
Twitter
clever wagon
because when they play as rouge it sucks
What the fuck?
Whats the pre APEX S3 win streak record for you then
Weird logic
balmy wolf
Rogue is not doing so hot tbh
speaking as one of the resident Rogue nuthugger in here
clever wagon
Yeah but with known issues
clever wagon
Hes saying it like Contenders s1 Rogue is somehow shit without any reason compared to "France"
Like see vs Renegades
Definitely better than 1st week
Fuckin give them proper equipment, or even better,back at LAN with standardized tools and we'll talk
balmy wolf
Rogue never lucky when they are outside of LV
Feelsbadman
except that time in Germany
blazing parrot
need more adaptable players LUL
subtle fable
team usa will win 3:0 against team korea.
blazing parrot
LEL
feral solar
Haha
solid spear
I stole it from Cree I think he's a Jake sub
feral solar
I hope it's a close game
visual wind
I want USA to win, but I have a bad feeling SK will take it
solid spear
I mean SK is favorites for a reason but well see 2 and a half months is a while
balmy wolf
Does anyone know what's going on with Rogue?
last we check they are sort of stranded in Canada
wintry matrix
btw, just to answer camellia who said Rogue did better against RNG
that match wasn't decided by who was the best, but was decided by who threw harder
like, it was so painful to watch on both sides
Soon and J3sus would go nuts, but then one of their teamates would do dumb shit
and as much USA will get rekt, Jake's reasoning makes sense
clever wagon
Kungarna hasn't met Rogue or NV right
balmy wolf
no
given how good 
's counter strat it
i'm kind of scared for Rogue
tho....not so much.
spring lintel
Group B WC 
rapid oxide
choo choo Envision on the overrated train
solid spear
Your face is on the overrated train
wintry matrix
yore*
solid spear
Nice job Allu
rapid oxide
clever wagon
Oh geez this is the most fun I've had watching NV in a long time
Such a fanservice π© π¦
Twitch chat is literally exploding (just finished watching Eichenwalde)
clever wagon
This is ultra Thonk https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6wg7if/numlocked_thoughts_after_envision_vs_inmortals/dm7xinm/?context=3
wintry matrix
actually only Clockwork did ok after NRG
prob bc he jumped into GFE and played frequently
i guess gods also played fairly well in Kingdom and c9 but hasn't found success yet
i'd suppose Enigma in FNRGFE contenders s0 but he quit after that
oh shit i forgot pooks
clever wagon
Wait so there's no 2nd casting pair now? Wasn't it Bren and ???
forest raven
ZP/Bren and Goldenboy/Mr. X @clever wagon
red anvil
Was goldenboy casting y'day?
sturdy granite
yes
red anvil
awh, i hoped he would stay at the desk. Hes an amazing host, not very much so a great caster
sturdy granite
I would say the last 2, specially Envision vs Immortals are worth a look at
red anvil
I'll probably watch envy as well, i saw some clips of timo junkrat and effect mccree
clever portal
Envision tier 1 
burnt token
was never a fan of USA since im from New Zealand but now i just feel sorry for them facing SK.
clever portal
clever portal
Glad to hear Uber has been picked up
Monte and Doa are a given
I'm guessing from the world cup
Soe will be there as well
feral solar
π
rapid oxide
Monte, Doa, Uber, JKap and Soe
Im gonna come 
Im not a big fan of Goldenboy or the MLG dude
So most likely left guy will be the host for OWL
Soe and Rachel maybe just to attract male viewers
Who's the most qt caster btw?
red anvil
Jkap have been confirmed for OWL?
clever portal
No, Vace asked who's the best looking caster
blazing parrot
monte is better
clever wagon
Uber is better
Fine lad and his hype cast beats everything
Big part of what made Atlantic Showdown Rogue vs NV awesome is his casting
Right
And Atlantic was held at Gamescom last year
Jeez Ster looks way thinner standing up just a year ago
So did Timo lol
Fitmou
rapid oxide
Hex is pretty qt
balmy wolf
Bren is daddy 
wintry matrix
btw, maybe i'm biased, but i'd say take the r/cow post about BGH being toxicc with a grain of salt
clever wagon
Im not surprised at all
Pretty much like how Phillipines often have the most garbage mentality in online games esp dota for Asians
Or south east asians
wintry matrix
i mean, they probably are toxxic, as much as other pros, but i wouldn't be so qucick to put the chilean dude as a victim
clever wagon
Ofc you have SK in CSGO but they dont represent the country's online gaming culture
wintry matrix
the thing about sucks in Latm servers and when playing with muricans is that there's so much xenophobia
so you take immature people being toxic, and putting different nationalities on top that
which then feeds a vicious circle of xenophobic vitriol between the two
clever wagon
Implying I need voice in my elo 
red anvil
Wait do people speak in any continent on console Arny?
obtuse tartan
So did US end up in the same group as SK?
That blows. I was hoping to see them face off against Canada or France
wintry matrix
they can if they win 
balmy wolf
well JAKE was asking for SK
he got his wishes
and now to see if Team USA can be an actual "APEX Contenders" or not
when they are going up against a real team full of APEX All Stars
blazing parrot
lul
balmy wolf
@blazing parrot back in Contender S0
people was clamored that 
can be an APEX Contenders
can't be APEX Contenders when you get beat by 
blazing parrot
@balmy wolf 
monte seems to think immortals is going to be full of koreans.. everyones saying the koreans underperformed LOL
balmy wolf
there are several tendency in which i found is why slip off I think
People are learning how to play against Kariv
and he is learning from Unkoe in term of using his Trans as less of an ultimate and more of a long cool down ability
and I don't think Envy's presence helps, too
even tho i think Envy is the better off tank than Hyped
Fate getting out Reinhardt by Numlocked was funny tho
blazing parrot
agilities tho 
rapid oxide
PlayOverwatch is tweetting about WC
Twitter
Better talk about mei tits π€¦
Why I've to share O2 with this retards?
supple nymph
clever portal
pine star
wintry matrix
REEE CASUALS REEEEEEEE
i think IMT getting full koreans is missing the point of why KR is better
i think they already have the infrasctructure
and different from Rogue and nV they aren't dominating, so they have something to aspire to
clever portal
No shame I'm losing to rank 2 NA
solid spear
Monte saying they need to go full Koreans to me just shows he clearly wasnt watching and is too busy sucking Koreans instead
Fate was awful and Envy was getting outplayed by Tseini
wintry matrix
i'd like to think he just used the opportunity to meme and isn't full serious
balmy wolf
another thing about KR tho
is that their ladder is really good when it comes to show rough gems that can be polished later
a lot of the current KR stars literally came out of the ladder
good luck having that in NA
where every games is an exercise on who throws harder
at least in EU there's the population and the PC fanbase to avoid that shit somewhat
blazing parrot
Yea few pros confirmed that playing on the KR ladder is a much better experience than the EU or NA ladder
balmy wolf
lol i saw that
blazing parrot
good
balmy wolf
was that a week tho?
balmy wolf
coolio
blazing parrot
people actually try to win LOL
balmy wolf
who would have thought the most competitive ladder in the scene is full of try hard people that will actually try to win 
blazing parrot
and arent extrmely 
@balmy wolf i had someone tell me that torb counters pharmercy
TORBJORN
COUNTERS PHARMERCY
Shit
balmy wolf
NA Scene is not particularly bright
because everyone thinks that they are smarter than the rest
meanwhile their source of competitive knowledge is youroverwatch
blazing parrot
bright is an overestimation
solid spear
usage stats for Apex, OWPS, OWC W2
blazing parrot
for a game that sells itself as "switch to counter" it really doesnt prove that point
@clever portal winston
blazing parrot
...
solid spear
tell me shes not broken
gusty notch
Bait
blazing parrot
what kind of weed are you smoking
solid spear
tell me who beats Sym
blazing parrot
well if youre good enough you can beat her with any hero
but saying that to a bronze is
))))
solid spear
been waiting for the nerfs since launch
blazing parrot
something something shoot at her from afair?
like pharah mcree soldier even genji
oh wait
you cant aim
solid spear
she can close the gap with her e 
blazing parrot
then you run away lol
solid spear
but the beam has infinite range you cant run
clever portal
Once the beam locks on 
solid spear
Pharah loses 1v1 to Sym unless the Sym throws
solid spear
tbh with Sym you should conistently 3v1 if anything
youre basically double Winston dps, so Sym is like bringing back double Winston
wintry matrix
tbh i'm not that happy with the amount of dmg it does to it's disengage range
then again, maybe she needs to be a bit broken considering she is easily countered
balmy wolf
mind you
in a plat game
I was playing D.va
apparently i was such a nuisance that the enemy team ran Symmetra and Zarya to counter me
and they still couldn't demech me consistently
wintry matrix
Sym is at most a soft (real soft) counter to dva bc of proximity
and considering she's a squishie and barrier don't mitigate lots of dmg
i wish more teams did this, Tseini always post the final moments when they win something significant
who hijacked Taimou's twitter?
limber pine
He's probably happy to play more than one hero in mirror comps
he played like 3-5 heroes yesterday I think
solid spear
he played 10
rapid oxide
Timtheplatman is back
limber pine
sheesh
solid spear
like I mean Timo was vocal but its not as if no one was feeling fatigue with the meta it was boring af and it starting to shift slightly
a lot of it is because DFis overpowered on live
clever portal
Taimou on DVa 
solid spear
but still D.Va changes shift things even more
DF already 6th most used hero in pro scene after a month lul
balmy wolf
Taimou got a lot of fans in r/cow
and i wonder why
i suspected the wave of D.va hate is a lot of his fans just jump into it tbh
wintry matrix
the weird about timo is that he's a good player, and when he does analysis he's interesting, but he also can be an idiot and whine a lot
wintry matrix
most of times i see dva complaints i only see BabyRage
balmy wolf
lulz
clever portal
gusty notch
Taimoucast is gr8
clever portal
wintry matrix
don't lump timo with that burger flipper
blazing parrot
dont lump timo with that burger flipper
rapid oxide
dont lump timo with that burger flipper
balmy wolf
talk about Dafran
clever portal
dont lump timo with that burger flipper
balmy wolf
let me rag on 
a few thousand time more for their tendency to throw for dafran
clever portal
Mangachu DVa is aids
solid spear
@rapid oxide cuz I can be a fan of whoever I want to be 
rapid oxide
af
balmy wolf
5 hours Energy indeed
barely lasted a round
J3sus will break his back after Contenders S1 tbh
wintry matrix
ZachaREEEEEE can dva?
balmy wolf
and did just as well as Mangachu.
clever portal
NA DVas 
cosmic gyro
what patch are they using at bilzzcon
wintry matrix
world cup?
solid spear
whatever patch is live at the time
its 2 and a half months a way so well likely get a couple patches between now and then
cosmic gyro
idk if we will win
balmy wolf
I can tell you that his tracking isn't the best
cosmic gyro
oh okay
balmy wolf
of course this reeks of me being armchair analyst but that play is not particularly mind blowning
maybe that's because i saw enough plays like it on Horizon
high ground control on that map is key
cosmic gyro
dat aim thou
blazing parrot
taimou, iddqd
cosmic gyro
oh they both have good aim too
blazing parrot
sayaplayer
balmy wolf
JAKE is not the best mechanical player out there, i'm afraid
blazing parrot
@solid spear can you dm me that vid ill watch it when i get home
balmy wolf
kind of like how Seagull is not the best Genji out there as well
cosmic gyro
oh okay
solid spear
I might DM you a different vid
cosmic gyro
shadowburn is the best genji or no
balmy wolf
well, there are better Genji than him certainly
NicoGDH is one
Shadowburn and Agilities are another two
etc etc
blazing parrot
wasnt nico accused of scripting?
@balmy wolf who are the best genji players in kr?
solid spear
Haksal, Flow3r, Whoru, Rascal come to mind
blazing parrot
solid spear
KR has completely abandoned Genji though
wintry matrix
i think Nico is better not because of himself, but because of his team
if Faze wasn't in a eternal sleep i think SDB would've hold the title of best genji
then again, he only fought koreans once
solid spear
I mean I never thought Seagull was an elite Genji player but we also havent seen him in tournament in all of 2017 lol
hard to even compare
blazing parrot
i thought he was good but not elite
balmy wolf
@wintry matrix Nico's Genji is mechanically good at least.
toxic yacht
pretty much every pro agrees that bird is one of the best NA genjis. emphasis on NA
Taimou thinks top 5 western Genji, but I wouldn't put him so high up
solid spear
I mean Id say hes one of the better ones in NA for sure
but like after Agil/SDB its kinda open
balmy wolf
i mean who else has been a top tier Genji outsode of Agilities, SDB and NicoGDH tho. Danteh is not one yet, Kayuun is a bot, etc etc
Jaru is only emerging
solid spear
I think you overrate Nico
solid spear
were talking NA
toxic yacht
Whoops
toxic yacht
NA does not know what Genji is, ya
solid spear
Danteh is really good though
toxic yacht
Too busy importing them
balmy wolf
i mean accolades wise NicoGDH certainly has it to back it up.
solid spear
overall
toxic yacht
If you count nico as an NA genji then carpe should count too
solid spear
eh Nico is (was?) on a really good team
we havent seen Carpe Genji is tourament since BK Stars to be fair
balmy wolf
Nico was on Melty eSport, a team which ZP noted that when they were casting they were bad.
solid spear
even on Selfless Sinatraa was the Genji
toxic yacht
Oh, Gods
solid spear
Seagull is def better than Gods
wintry matrix
that's waht i meant
toxic yacht
He magically became a pretty darn good Genji
solid spear
I mean after Agilities/SDB you could argue a lot
S4 used to have a nice Genji but he like never plays it anymore
toxic yacht
Obv seagull is better than gods, but gods' Genji is still better than a lot of what I've seen in na
balmy wolf
NA is the land of good supports and tanks
but no good DPS
a few outliers but most of the more noticable NA DPS has always been EU
solid spear
Nico, Seagull, Danteh, Hydration, Gods, Jaru, Jake, Buds are the guys youd think of after the top 2 I think?
Im just throwing names together
toxic yacht
poke
solid spear
@toxic yacht also you see my boy McCree with more usage than Genji 
toxic yacht
I don't care, lul
balmy wolf
I'm curious to see why 
still put NicoGDH on Genji from times to times tho
when AKM on 76 is infinitely more reliable
toxic yacht
because his D. Va is 
also, he probably doesn't wanna dva
just wants to frag
rogue doesn't want to adapt, lul
they could theoretically, but they just don't want to and it's tilting me
toxic yacht
well, nico is a good zarya but his dva is a fucking joke
solid spear
Nico is a Genji main occasionally forced to play tanks even though they supposedly brought him in for Zarya and shit
toxic yacht
rogue is probably hoping that new dva will fit his playstylemore or that they can put him on zarya
alternatively, nico on lucio, winz on zarya
they actually scrimmed with hat
balmy wolf
I want to see Winz on off tank again
toxic yacht
but that was ages ago
solid spear
I mean D.Va will drop a bit in usage
but you still need one
shes not going away lol
toxic yacht
current trends don't mean shit when dva and mercy are completely reworked on PTR
and when what is considered a good dva these days is likely gonna completely change because of her offensive capabilites
toxic yacht
I'm not talking about contenders
I'm talking about OW overall
in the next few months
solid spear
well Im talking about Rogue in particular
cuz who knows what Rogue is after contenders
toxic yacht
well, me too
solid spear
contenders is really big for them if they want a chance to get picked up
balmy wolf
inb4 D.va dipped in usage and then rise up in usage again
because her rocket is too good
balmy wolf
meta moves in weird cycle, tbh.
solid spear
I mean shes dipped "a bit" as in like 80% instead of 90+
balmy wolf
but it moves in cycle nonetheless
solid spear
rockets got a decent ptr nerf already though
I guess well see
I suspect the hero will still be strong
balmy wolf
it shifted her back somewhat to the tanky D.va role
where she is more of an offensive nightmare who can 1v1 pretty much anyone.
solid spear
When she flies in you face with DM up shooting missles theres not much you can do lol
damage is down 25% so its not quite as dumb though
wintry matrix
i kinda want dva to become the nightmarish 1v1 so people who whined about matrix can shut up
then again these people will probably just complain "REEEE BLISSARD DESIGN GET WITH IT"
solid spear
eh she still feels like less cancer to play against on PTR
Because you actually have a good idea of when she doesnt have matrix available which means its counterplay is better
also good for shit likee 76 and Reaper who cant be completely shut down as much
balmy wolf
the fanbse never knows what they quite want
first they wanted Bastion to be viable
so 
reworked him into trashcan
then they complains about Roadhog
so tweaked him into an ult battery
in a dive meta
and suddenly everyone realized why Roadhog was so good
and of course D.va as well.
First it was the tanky D.va that deserved to be nerf due to her healthpool
and now it is the DM
solid spear
I disagree kind of
balmy wolf
is going to give people their wishes in the most frustrating way possible tbh
solid spear
the D.Va change definitely happened because of sme pro feedback Id imagine
there were more complaints there than the general community, some people on the forums still thought she was underpowered
balmy wolf
her DM was sort of a neccessary evil.
but good luck pointing that out
since for people like Taimou it is "unfun"
blazing parrot
its a necessary evil imo
especially in lower ranks
press q as reaper and soldier
ez
solid spear
eh the hero was revolved around 1 overpowered ability that defined her kit, its not even that the hero as a whole was op but you could argue it wasnt healthy
also D.Va as a hero didnt become prominent til last November
wintry matrix
i don't think bliss is that reactive
solid spear
people were running like 80% Zarya
and its not like 76 and Reaper were destroying the game
solid spear
in ranked?
toxic yacht
it's literally the same garbage
blazing parrot
cant move
toxic yacht
except that people found dva anti fun
which is funny because people also found hog unfun
solid spear
I mean even people who played D.Va on the forums complained Blizz turned their hero to a DM bot and Mercer literally said thats part of the reason the wanted to change her a bit
seemed a mixture of some D.Va players not liking her new role and certain players finding matrix too oppresive made them try to rebalance the character in a way that gave her more to do with less of a reliance on one ability
if we were to compare that to Hog they didnt give the character more to do or make the characters kit more diverse they just made the characer weaker theres no real comparison
blazing parrot
blizz and the community turned dva into dm bot imo
everyone wants to play dps
its easier to farm dps ult than support ults
something has to procect teammates when suppot ults arent there
solid spear
eh
she was just overpowered before
and with the armor nerf you just used DM to its max potential as opposed to a mix of bullying people out and DMing
wintry matrix
i don't think she's dm bot
just that people only think of her like that
isn't kinda like winston? but if winston is for dive and offense, dva is for defense
solid spear
well the current patch D.Va is mostly about matrix management and miximizing that ability
I mean I dont mind it shes my most played hero this season, but I could see why people wouldnt like it and while her shift does have some balance implications I dont think an extremely powerful DM is a neccesary evil
balmy wolf
mind you
D.va was supposedly an aggressive initiator tank
and now she is mostly use for peeling and occasional diving action
not exactly aggressive there, is it
gusty notch
thats just what geoff or jeff said at one point
balmy wolf
that's what Geoff said after the tanky D.va nerf
personally I stop putting stock into it since the upcoming D.va tweak is making her more offensive
meanwhile Geoff said months ago that she is too good offensively.
all of these flips flops and reworks are making my head spins
solid spear
eh
she did too much then
she was hard to kill even when DM was done cuz of armor, and she still had all that DM
had like 10% more damage too not that that made some huge difference but she kinda had the best of both worlds
balmy wolf
Her DM back then was not peeling as much as to relieve pressure from Reinhardt's shield
she wasn't for peeling as much as an aggressive inititator with a shitload of health
one of the reworked suggestion is to buff her armor a bit, and revert her DM buff
300/300 with a more forgiving DM
but instead of that we will have to contend with a mini rocket barrage instead
which i thought was funny but ok
solid spear
the DM buff was for consistency
it didnt make sense that you could walk really close to DM and ignore it
Reverting that wouldnt make much sense to me
balmy wolf
some argued it make the depth of the game more shallow
OW often is accused for being too polished for its own good
and it is one aspect i think that it is show through the DM work
wintry matrix
Destiny 2 222k views
CSGO dad esport
i dunno, i don't think dm is the argument for over-polish
balmy wolf
it is not, it is merely a symptom
solid spear
Im in favor of making things work the way theyre intended and if that makes a character better balance that if its 100% neccesary
pine star
Agree
solid spear
like Id rather Genji have his 400 bugs fixed and tune him if for whatever reason they thought that made him too strong than have shit not work for example
balmy wolf
talk about Genji, the Edge boost thing was RIP
pine star
That's the kind of mechanics Blizzard hates
Can't really blame them
I prefer consistency
solid spear
I mean
I kinda like that kind of tech because if its something that not everyone can do it actually can slightly raise the skill gap
pine star
Yeah but
pine star
It would be better if they introduce stuff like that more... officially
solid spear
Im talking more personally
pine star
But that's never gonna happen
solid spear
I mean an entire esport was created because of something like that
balmy wolf
the problem is that wants their character to be unique but at the same time intuitive. Edge boost wasn't "intuitive"
which is again, over polishing
solid spear
Nintendo made Melee with the intention of it being a party game and people found shit like wavedashing and other tech that actually increased the Melee skill gap and their removal in Brawl was part of the reason the game isnt liked competitively
so there are arguments for keeping certain things in the game
pine star
True
wintry matrix
edge boost wasn't op was it?
toxic yacht
well
I often used it to win games I had no right winning
lulz
on maps like ruins or village you could boost all the way from spawn
come from an unpredictable angle
and wipe
I personally liked it, but I can kinda see why they got rid of it
wintry matrix
based on what you're saying, i think it was fair to remove it
wintry matrix
but that's one of the problems
bc it's infrequent, you can't prepare for it
besides that most people didn't even knew about it
balmy wolf
still gives more depth for the game
wintry matrix
i don't think that kind of depth is worth it
toxic yacht
well, tbh edge boosting was kinda random and unpredictable
it's less of SDB having a hard time and more of it being batshit unpredictable
balmy wolf
Wawa's boot camp lol
They interviewed me once for coaching one of their team
Never heard back from them again
As i coached a team into tier 2
Lulz
balmy wolf
Lulz Rob420 and MESR
wintry matrix
Hows muma rein?
supple nymph
@balmy wolf 
solid spear
Dafran will be freed soon 
solid spear
@vocal sky probs not for a while hes stepping away from pro play...maybe in the future
vocal sky
U can't deny his skill
solid spear
well hes the goat
vocal sky
Yup
Y did selfless disband
THey had 2 of the best dps players
Even after dafran was banned they got carpe
solid spear
well it was happening regardless because the owners were moving on
they couldnt sell the team to an OWL org unforunately
balmy wolf
As talented as Carpe, he is no Dafran
solid spear
and meta wasnt exactly kind to them either
last lantern
carpe is better than dafran in terms of flexibility
also carpe wasnt the problem for selfless
last lantern
They had to do so much juggling bcuz pretty much everyone on the team were one tricks
Kresnik could pretty much only play rein, emon could only play hog and michael 3d was a terrible zen
clever wagon
You only mentioned 3
And Sinatraa is far from a one trick when you consider why he was chosen along with Jake for US
And how they play the pair
blazing parrot
@clever wagon reds talking about in relation to selfless disbanding
@clever wagon you fuck you changed your name again? 
clever wagon
Slowpoke
blazing parrot
i thought you were some sort of new person
why should i be bothered to check if seijass changes name again
and again
clever portal
clever portal
wintry matrix
CMON
blazing parrot
@limber pine please ban @clever portal
wintry matrix
.NOT SEAGULL AND COOLMATT
blazing parrot
π
wintry matrix
FUCK
last lantern
lmao
last lantern
Cool matt on zarya when dva gets nerfed
vital knoll
last lantern
u forgot /s
blazing parrot
can i stab @clever portal
last lantern
i also doubt matt would leave fnrgfe while in contenders
blazing parrot
clever portal
Pls no kill
clever wagon
Mercedes a shit
clever portal
blazing parrot
no go fuck yourself
solid spear
clever wagon
With Brad on board we should be able to see more of the NRG curse
Like whether he can alleviate it or the org is just straight up cursed
clever portal
Didn't they get NGCEO as well
balmy wolf
NRG is cursed.
they literally has no god esport team
wonder if 
is just a tax write off operation for its owner tbh
gusty notch
clever wagon
Well fuck
The fuck is this
First they actually pick up Derrick "I ran TSM OW to the ground" Truong and now NGCEO
Brad 
solid spear
Dafran unbanned 
smoky hinge
wintry matrix
only now i realized i've been bamboozled by Mercedes Main
on my defense i was on college, so i couldn't check
OW with only 5k viewers rn btw
versed sinew
most people are probably watching destiny 2
blazing parrot
the fake nrg tweet was made in flames discord btw
balmy wolf
my team Big Baller Brand going up against ManofSnow's former team Prestige Worldwide
in the final now
rapid oxide
Offline π
balmy wolf
it is already finished
rapid oxide
Don't spoiler then!
cosmic gyro
@balmy wolf can u help me not be trash at the game
clever wagon
Not esport tho
burnt token
so do we know who is starting for LH? leetajun, whoru or gido?
toxic yacht
I'm pretty confident in the fact that we won't see Whoru in the starting lineup for a while, lul
mabye once the meta becomes more one-trick genji friendly
gusty notch
Can't he play df?
toxic yacht
we don't know
toxic yacht
ah
red anvil
but they dident feel confident with it last match
red anvil
stop exercising sojum, its not good for you
vestal mortar
π
red anvil
The fight of the 2nd spot now, curious who'll pass
might be rip 
honestly Lunatic Hai out of apex might be for the better
gives them time to prepare for OWL
true tide
ADORBS
toxic yacht
Whoru
red anvil
NO ESCA
clever wagon
LH preparing for when EscA gone?
wary falcon
What the starting roster for LH?
wary falcon
ouch
clever wagon
LH losing quickly to move to LA LUL
vestal mortar
No Esca no win. π
clever wagon
Fuck this shitty uni wifi
Lagging on 360p
Tho Im still thinking of that
They trying out for when EscA gone
clever wagon
I remember Alwaysoov saying theyre trying out for various roster situations
So that they can switch and adapt quickly whenever any of their member is gone
With LTJ and WhoRU back they finally can have a go at it in real matches
Prolly wants to do it asap
Also LTJ is in the back isnt he
true tide
Yeah
feral solar
tobi is a god
vestal mortar
Indeed
red anvil
the flamecord is a bit more active then there if anyone wane join btw
feral solar
missed whoru
vestal mortar
I've been reading mostly since I'm at work right now, not much time for typing
red anvil
GO LH
feral solar
i miss esca π¦
feral solar
the amount of emps is crazy
feral solar
LH 2-0
forest raven
Lunatic-Hai dominating pretty hard
vocal sky
Ez wins
rapid oxide
20k on YT 20k on Twitch 
vocal sky
Well yea apex is like the biggest tournament
feral solar
EZ
balmy wolf
Pathetic from Runaway
rapid oxide
Runaway 
red anvil
Lunatic Bae
toxic yacht
gg was close
rapid oxide
lol
toxic yacht
balmy wolf
Where is Esca going?
forest raven
EscA has to do military service sometime in the near future, but he wasn't playing tonight probably because LH wants to experiment with different rosters
balmy wolf
Replaced? That's kind of surprising they'd mess with the chemistry since they've been so dominant lol
Oh the military serrvice, makes sense
rapid oxide
Looks like they are still dominant 
balmy wolf
Isn't there only real team compeition the Kongdoo guys?
vestal mortar
Lunatic Hai π
balmy wolf
Haven't really seen them play Envy or anything, are the NA teams still horribly lopsided with Envy being like 10x better seeming than the 2nd best team? lol
glad chasm
So what the hell happened with KDP and whoru that led to LH being able to scoop up such a beast of a dps player
balmy wolf
Wasn't the rumors he was being lewd with groupies or something? Maybe he just has a bad rep?
forest raven
I believe WhoRU was benched for ego issues
glad chasm
So how did that lead to his not even being part of the KDP org anymore though? Seems like a pretty big error
balmy wolf
Same reason star players in pro sports teams get traded when they suck in the locker room prob
glad chasm
That doesn't really happen in sports with a winning team though
forest raven
I don't believe WhoRU was ever involved with KongDoo
balmy wolf
Terrell Owens got removed from some NFL teams and he and his teams were really good lol
vestal mortar
Yeah I don't remember him on kdp
glad chasm
TO never got traded in the middle of his team being really good. He got traded a year after the team had their best runs.
vestal mortar
glad chasm
Lmao he was on their roster last season and played most of the matches up until maybe qf or semis
You don't remember literally 6 weeks ago? The fuck.
vestal mortar
No need to be rude
forest raven
WhoRU only played in the group stage of season 3
balmy wolf
Are you mistaking him for someone else? WhorU was with LH at the end of Apex still which was a ways back
He was just benched lol
forest raven
WhoRU didn't play in the quarters, semis or final
And WhoRU has only played with Lunatic-Hai, never with KDP
balmy wolf
Well the Liquid site said he played with other teams, but not KDP for sure
vestal mortar
Indeed, that's what I thought
balmy wolf
"Team HEXA" "Team GH2" whoever those were lol
forest raven
Random tier 4 Korean teams
balmy wolf
I always wonder how many god tier players play comp and no one really knows them cause they don't stream or YT, or maybe just play quick play all the time and don't even bother with competitive lol
Best player ever could be on some random team no one's ever heard of playing with friends or something lol
clever wagon
If they're god tier they'll get noticed sooner or later, one way or another
They won't stay hidden for long
Nobody considers a "quick play only" god tier
Logically to be considered better or the best you'd have to compete with or against the best ones Thonk
balmy wolf
I guess that's true, depending on what makes him godly, he'd be pretty good regardless if he had amazing aim etc
red anvil
There are god tier players on the ladder exists, and they gets discovered
I know of at least one
there are probably plenty more
balmy wolf
What if they just don't care about the ladder or comp, and play casually but are REALLY good, it's not like being noticed by some random QP'ers would really do anything for them publicity wise lol
They'd just keep being unknown
red anvil
if they are like that, they wont be able to make it in the pro leauge
the coms are too important, the teamplay is too important
it dont matter how god tier mechanical skill you have unless your able to communicate
balmy wolf
Couldn't they be really good at those things too, but just not play comp? idk
I'm sure there's some prodigies out there that never get noticed lol
clever wagon
I mean there are some pub ladder player that aren't in the pro scene but the pros still recognize them anyway
red anvil
The pro scene is a very unique place
clever wagon
But nobody gives a fuck about quick play ever
Also that's true Kaku
Best way to put it
balmy wolf
Idk, I mean it has to be l ike real life kinda, some kid on an island somewhere is like a god at soccer, has all the natural talent and skill in the world, but he's on an island somewhere so he'll never get noticed etc etc
clever wagon
Like wraxu, ironaids (both top tier Hanzo, I've seen the latter a lot in Timo's stream playing comp)
Heck, EeveeA
Top tier ladder players but not in the pro scene
red anvil
There is a very good reason people make fun of people like kephri when they are salty about not getting a OWL team
red anvil
oh yes
clever wagon
Lmao
red anvil
dident see his tweets?
clever wagon
You've never even put as much effort on ladder as the others on stream
No I'm blocked for some reason lmao
Just keep playing Widow for show, who in the scene gives a fuck about that
red anvil
hell even xqc was dissing him hard time
clever wagon
Fuckin Timo does better Widow all the time while "tilted" in pro games
red anvil
People watches a crazy widow pulling off and think that person is god
but look at LTJ today vs. Runaway
clever wagon
Heck, for this occassion xQc dissing him is deserved
red anvil
he smocked the whole team with his Widow, and is far from a widow main
clever wagon
REEEE
But yeah
Fuck that Reddit post
"Glaring weakness"
Fuckwit knows jack shit about LH
balmy wolf
Isn't xQC basically a one trick Winstom main tho? He's gonna die when Winston isn't meta lol
red anvil
xQc could be brilliant streamer and pro player if he stopped growing his audience with raging.
clever wagon
He adapted to Winston
clever wagon
I knew xQc since last year when he was frequently in ster's streams
He was a Rein main
balmy wolf
Never heard about him until Winston so idk
red anvil
he adapted quickly to a winston main before the meta started to really change
he liked winston a lot so he kept playing him
red anvil
yep, but Miro started to play Monkey way before even xQc did
like october last year
that showed off in world cup
clever wagon
Fuck, lemme pull that bullshit Reddit post and spit on the OP's face
balmy wolf
Winston is really hard to judge skill/impact with tho, TimtheTatman mained Winston and got to top 500, and he's not even very good so lol
clever wagon
Kaku is flamecord chill with r/cow posts
balmy wolf
I don't think the Mercy changes will do much for Pharemcy outside of lower levels tbh
balmy wolf
Pharah will still get massively dunked on by Widow/hitscans in general, and a Mercy pocketing the Pharah with her revives will just make her w/e for the rest of the team, when her revives should probably be used on the tanks etc so
red anvil
its way easier to take out the mercy now
clever wagon
Kaku tell me just the results
clever wagon
PM if needed
red anvil
3-0 LH Runaway
clever wagon
Lmao
balmy wolf
red anvil
was very close on KOTH, Numbani Runaway stopped before third point, LH did it as clean as humanly possible with 6 min left, Anubis Runaway dident get a single tick on 2nd point
LH did it clean again
balmy wolf
I just don't think it'll be a big problem with any decent hitscan
red anvil
Raddle, exactly how do you think that Pharahmercy will be any different from today
balmy wolf
Idk, someone said Pharmecy would be scary with the Mercy changes didn't they?
balmy wolf
I was just saying I don't think it'll be any different, they'll just get mowed down like always lol
clever wagon
Man uni wi-fi was so bad that even 360p was lagging
red anvil
ouchie
clever wagon
Fangirls creaming over WhoRU's kills LUL
balmy wolf
Pharmecy is rarely used even in the pro level cause when people can aim it's just risky buisness, idk lol
red anvil
Pharahmercy gets play everywhere
from bottom to top
we even saw pharahmercy in LH match today
red anvil
the team with the pharahmercy won
balmy wolf
Did the other team have any good hitscan etc?
red anvil
one of the best hitscans in the world
balmy wolf
I wonder why it's used so infrequently then lol
clever wagon
Yeah so LTJ pretty much main caller today right
red anvil
Tobi probs
red anvil
But here is another little teaser for you Seija, or is Camilla your name? LH ran LTJ on Mccree, WhoRU on DF π
toxic yacht
eh, the reddit post has a point
LH is kinda meta dependent
it's no coincidence that they won twice in a dive meta
and the first win was only because runaway fell apart towards the end
balmy wolf
All teams are kind of meta dependant tho, most of them get good because they happen to be good at that meta, you'd have to wait and see what happened when the meta switched lol
fiery swallow
I'm really suprised DF wasn't pciked more.
balmy wolf
Most good tracers/genjis will just avoid being charged so his target pool isn't very big in the dive meta in terms of stuff he can get to without dying
clever wagon
WhoRU ran DF since first map zz
fiery swallow
fair enough.
clever wagon
I'm watching it now already 3rd KOTH map
red anvil
They ran DF on every map
clever wagon
Not really surprised about LTJ McCree though
red anvil
i'm not sure how much more DF you want
yes but Runaway swapped to DF Mccree as well
was glorious for the few seconds it lasted
fiery swallow
I don't wnat more df, was just suprised he wasn't picked more
red anvil
i dont remeber seing a mirror mccree comp on ages
fiery swallow
Want more zarya :(
clever wagon
Also @toxic yacht "and the first win was only because runaway fell apart towards the end" that's called consistency ?
red anvil
Zarya is more viable now that D.vas defefense matrix is getting a massive nerf
clever wagon
That's a big part of what gave LH the 2 consecutive titles
clever wagon
Always able to turn the game at any point
red anvil
LH also ran non dive in Apex s2 finale
balmy wolf
Why will the matrix nerf make Zarya more popular? More hitscan, potentially, or?
toxic yacht
sure, it's consistency, but that doesn't change the fact that LH at their peak was worse than runaway at their peak
red anvil
Naw mainly because you you cant always just turn around and peel off damage from your backline for 4 seconds straight of flankers
clever wagon
What lol