esports-discussion

[red anvil]

like ever

[solid spear]

Id rather wait and see with DF after next patch

[red anvil]

maybe cree

[solid spear]

for a while

[toxic yacht]

the real reason for the nerf is just that players across all ranges found him dumb

lul

he was balanced

[solid spear]

who Hanzo?

[toxic yacht]

no, nerf

hog

i'm dum

[solid spear]

oh

[toxic yacht]

he wasn't even op at low SRs

[solid spear]

I should ignore Hog cuz Ill ultimately get triggered

[toxic yacht]

actually, he has lower winrates

down there

iirc

[balmy wolf]

I feel like the stats in is misleading them here. Buff/Tweak heroes that are known for their burst damage so that they can "DPS better" is just stupid horseshit.

[toxic yacht]

so scapegoating plats also doesn't work

it was a pure design decision with pretty fucking retarded ramifications

[red anvil]

like pure dps dont do shit

look on sombra she got better dps then solider

[solid spear]

eh I think Jeffs comment about the community not being ohko with the one shot combo

is what makes people say those things

cuz it directly implies that the decision was made based on community feedback

[toxic yacht]

well, it was

made on community feedback

[balmy wolf]

"community feedback"

[toxic yacht]

hog's design is fucking bad

from a designers perspective

it just is

he was balanced, but his design sucked dick

[solid spear]

I didnt think it wass :/

[toxic yacht]

and that obviously resulted in community frustration

[red anvil]

Meanwhile his design is better then DF

More counterplay

[toxic yacht]

hog is like mercy except that he takes skill in terms of design on a very basic level

basically, hog is anti-fun

[solid spear]

he was a fat assassin, you feared him despite his downsides

[toxic yacht]

for everyone

except hog

[solid spear]

I loved playing with and against the hero

[balmy wolf]

i mean the r/OW of the world has been already complaining about DF being bullshit while Roadhog somehow got the nerf

so at least that's some counter community feedback i guess

[toxic yacht]

you were the exception

the majority of the population

including me

found him fucking retarded to play against

balanced

[balmy wolf]

he is pretty BS in fucking scrims, tbh

[toxic yacht]

but still unfun

[wintry matrix]

that's bc people's perception of the game sucks

everyone has their own idea how the game should run

and all of them are other games

[toxic yacht]

like, frankly

I dislike the hog nerfs

but not on a personal level

just from a pure balance perspective

[wintry matrix]

i just wish bliss wouldn't do the half-measure that was these road changes

[red anvil]

hogs design was bad from the start, but like we dealt with him over a year

[toxic yacht]

because I actually want a balanced game, but not having to deal with taht unfun BS

feels really fucking good

tbh

[red anvil]

he could have stayed like he was

[balmy wolf]

well DM is pretty unfucking fun and we have to tolerate it being neccessary evil

[wintry matrix]

that's what i'm saying

[red anvil]

only thing that really butted me off with hog before nerf was right click

[solid spear]

I mean its my least favorite change theyve ever made and it still tilts tf outta me whenever I think about it but it is what it is

[balmy wolf]

and also apparently i'm a D.va bot in disguise because i'm good at her so i might just be bias here lol

[wintry matrix]

people who say dva and road were "unfun" want the game to be something it ain't

or rather

[balmy wolf]

without the DM the supports would get absolutely fucked in dive. So pick your fucking poison.

[solid spear]

eh Alluid there are people who want D.Va destroyed though lul

[wintry matrix]

past the point of personal preference and into balance discussion

i know, lots of people hate dva

especially players like Taimou who want Cree simulator

[toxic yacht]

honestly, dva is one of my favourite characters to play, so I'm biased as shit, but as someone who also has tracer, 76 and mccree as his most played characters, I can relate to the dva hatred

she's in a similar position to hog

not as frustrating imo, but I'm biased

but like

she exists to ruin my fun

[balmy wolf]

People are just bad at countering D.va. I has instances of people running Zarya and fucking Symmetra into me and I still do enough damage frontlining.

[wintry matrix]

i mean, i get tilted as fuck with lots of situations, especially mei and reaper

doesn't mean they should be delet

[solid spear]

D.Va is complete aids but heros should be gutted cuz they tilt people

shoudnt*

[balmy wolf]

prepare for a shitload of salt once the Widow/Junkrat buffs hit tho

[solid spear]

idk how Widow will be for regular people

but there will be Junk hate probably lol

[wintry matrix]

Junkr is already hated

[toxic yacht]

junk is cancer: the character

this is gonna be fun

[wintry matrix]

it'll just be the same

i for one welcome our new junk meta

[solid spear]

I mean watching that animated short junk seems happy af

Hog seems dead on the inside

hes feeling shit rn

[balmy wolf]

https://youtu.be/ZzOecRSRe1c

[toxic yacht]

oh god

doomfist strats

[solid spear]

[balmy wolf]

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20758746118?page=2#post-30 D.va tweak what

[solid spear]

[balmy wolf]

DM uptime reduced by 50%

uh........

[limber pine]

less omnom

more missiles

[solid spear]

Only 2 seconds of DM though 🤔

unless they make the resource bar less

[balmy wolf]

right now max DM is like 6 seconds i think

[solid spear]

its 4

[balmy wolf]

well fuck

time for people to complain even more about getting doved to death

[toxic yacht]

4 seconds, but it feels like 10

[solid spear]

this is has major implications on the balance of the game

idk

have to see it in practice

hope its up soon and not in 2 weeks soon

[blazing parrot]

how long is reaper ult?

and soldier ult?

[toxic yacht]

long enough

[blazing parrot]

[toxic yacht]

all transformation ults

except sword

are 8 seconds

[blazing parrot]

beyblade meta is back

i miss season 2

):

[balmy wolf]

these changes are kind of worrying tho

[blazing parrot]

oh?

[balmy wolf]

they are heavily nerf D.va's unique identity

[blazing parrot]

everyone wants dva matrix nerf theyre going to get it x)

[balmy wolf]

just like how they nerfed Roadhog and Bastion's unique identity in favors of something they are not

people never appreciate what they enjoys until too late

[blazing parrot]

who cares about uniqueness x)

[balmy wolf]

DM is the same.

[solid spear]

@toxic yacht Monkey?

[blazing parrot]

all the dps mains are going to be so overjoyed

so 2 sec dva matrix and 1 second cooldown

[balmy wolf]

yeah and they will complains about how D.va is too offensive now

[blazing parrot]

)))

[balmy wolf]

instead of getting DM over you'd just get missile point blank instead

[solid spear]

hope its up soon

on PTR

[blazing parrot]

woooo more highskillz broooo

no more catering to casuals broooooo

[red anvil]

how is pharah gone stay viable if you can just fly up and shotgun her to the face?

[blazing parrot]

good

x)

[solid spear]

I mean

DM was often something used to keep Pharah in check

and she has way less of it

[balmy wolf]

and also people has used DM defensively

and now DM can't be use that much anymore

[blazing parrot]

gotta be smarter with ability now

[balmy wolf]

oh yeah, like how half of the playerbase can't even kill a D.va even running a Zarya?

[blazing parrot]

you mean pros right x)

[solid spear]

this will almost certainly be a net enrf unless the new ability is broken

[balmy wolf]

all of these changes are kind of stupid since all the characters that has been undergoing heavy tweaks both has their identity strip away for something that they are not.

Bastion, Roadhog, and now potentially D.va

[blazing parrot]

its what the the pros want x)

fuck dva

[solid spear]

this changes the game like so drastically

even if the hero is still strong

[balmy wolf]

don't expect people to stop complaining tho

[blazing parrot]

of course not

[wintry matrix]

i dunno, i just read, and it doesn't look catasthrophic (unless DM is really just 2 secs)

but i think there's some potential in boost + mini-barrage

[blazing parrot]

it is 2 seconds

not counting recharging

duration right now is 4 seconds

[solid spear]

DM is 2

[rapid oxide]

dont really love this changes

[wintry matrix]

welp

[blazing parrot]

imo they should halve the distance

not the duration

[solid spear]

which funny enough is shorter than it was at launch

[toxic yacht]

okay what the fuck

are these dva changes

[blazing parrot]

@toxic yacht catering to pros m8

[wintry matrix]

even changing distance i think it's bad

[blazing parrot]

dva is op

didnt you know

)))

[wintry matrix]

@blazing parrot LUL, pros ruining the game smh

[toxic yacht]

well

[balmy wolf]

DM right now is 4 seconds. 50 percent of it = 2 seconds.

[blazing parrot]

@wintry matrix x)

[balmy wolf]

so yes @wintry matrix it can be pretty fucking catastrophic

[solid spear]

we dont even know the new ability specifics and its not on PTR

[toxic yacht]

there goes my dva monkey synergy @solid spear

lmfao

[wary falcon]

oh d.va rework finally

[solid spear]

Ill save judgement til we actually play it

[blazing parrot]

it all comes down to how useful the rockets are

maybe

i doubt it tho

[wintry matrix]

i think the only nerf DM can receive is that it negates a % of dmg as it goes down

[solid spear]

I think the recharge should be faster though

[wary falcon]

DM is just extremely frustrasting, almost Mercy's Rez tier

[wintry matrix]

if recharge is faster it'll be the same but more annoying

[solid spear]

the fact that you can DM and missles could be strong

you can use the missles while any ability is active

[toxic yacht]

well, this should pretty much delet the dva covering for DF thing

we talked about

lul

[blazing parrot]

[toxic yacht]

so now support bombing is easier

yay

[solid spear]

and fire and missles is dumb burst probably

[wintry matrix]

also that

[toxic yacht]

but well, dva being gone

is gonna have

jesus

well, not gone

just not in her current form

[solid spear]

she probably wont be gone

[wintry matrix]

wait you can shoot and missile at the same time?

[toxic yacht]

if this goes through

I love theorycrafting and all

[wary falcon]

I hope Blizzard won't go full retard and will just give her Pharah's ultimate

[toxic yacht]

but this shit

is taking it to a new level

[solid spear]

D.Va triple tank with Zarya and D.Va cycling and D.Va having more offensive capabilities could be strong

[wary falcon]

so you can deal 3k damage while flying with DM

[blazing parrot]

she might go niche with these changes

not as sombra niche

but niche enough

[solid spear]

but once again til we see it who knows

[pine star]

What changes?

[toxic yacht]

also, now I'll have to unbind "Is this EZ mode" from E

[blazing parrot]

https://us.battle.net/forums/en/overwatch/topic/20758746118?page=2#post-30 @pine star

[toxic yacht]

sombra is not niche

[wintry matrix]

i wonder why bliss can't just have two versions of the character

[toxic yacht]

anymore

[balmy wolf]

remember when I said that triple tank dive might be the way to go?

[wintry matrix]

the defensive DM, and the bully

[toxic yacht]

well

[wintry matrix]

you mean NIP?

[toxic yacht]

there goes your triple tank dive

it's so funny

that we had this discussion rn

and then half an hour later

this

[pine star]

what on this green earth are those

[solid spear]

Rein is back

I apologize Sojum

[toxic yacht]

lmfao

none of us ever expected this

[solid spear]

I still very much think the character could be good but its impossible to tell

I want PTR

[blazing parrot]

cow says dva will replace winston with these changes

[pine star]

Those came out of nowhere

[blazing parrot]

a comment in cow*

[toxic yacht]

there goes my dive comp synergy

all this garbage

with fuckin dm shifting

and support protec + healing

I talked about

lul

also, this should make countering pharah in 10x easier

in theory

[solid spear]

replace Winston

[toxic yacht]

I can already take off a ton of HP by timing my shooting right

now that I can fly + shoot + shoot while falling

[solid spear]

if anything this turns her more into like old Hog being a fat dps than Winston lol

so I dont get that

[toxic yacht]

it should in theory be possible to "oneclip" pharah

oneclip as in kill her in a single boost

[wintry matrix]

wait, doesn't that means that dva essentially goes bakc to s3 where everyone complained she did everything too good

[solid spear]

thing is, whats the radius of the missles, the damage, the cd without knowing this its hard to theorycraft

[wintry matrix]

i'd imagine it's 6-10 secs

[solid spear]

thats a big range

[balmy wolf]

4 secs down to 2 secs

[solid spear]

theres a huge difference between 6 and 10 seconds

plus whats the radius and damage?

[wintry matrix]

i dunno

[solid spear]

I know you dont

Im just saying

[wary falcon]

oh Gamingchair is top-1 EU right now, such a talented one

[wintry matrix]

i meant as in "i can't really theorycraft with conviction"

[wary falcon]

[toxic yacht]

oh yeah, gamingchair

lul

[wintry matrix]

i'd hope it is kinda weak

[toxic yacht]

btw, ironaids is german

[balmy wolf]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6v53c9/blizz_is_working_on_dva_changes_internally/dlxo4gs/

[toxic yacht]

I now wanna test these changes on PTR

[balmy wolf]

the following answer is

[toxic yacht]

like, really

I've played dva

since launch

when she was crap

and went through every rework

I'm super curious about how this is gonna work out

[clever portal]

[wintry matrix]

i've stopped playing dva a bit after she became "overpowered"

but i'd still like to git gud with her

[wary falcon]

chair went from 3.7k to 4.7k in 1 day

[solid spear]

shes been my most played hero 3 out of 5 seasons so Im curious

[toxic yacht]

I played her less during the 400 armor period because I didn't wanna get boosted, lul

[solid spear]

but well see

[toxic yacht]

but man, this is so

IT'S SO MUCH

TOO MUCH TO TAKE IN

and yeah, blizz seems pretty adamant in not nerfing the bubble cooldown

[solid spear]

this will probably make her better against Zarya and DF

[toxic yacht]

like, less matrix = less hitscan cucking

less nade cucking

[wintry matrix]

too much like Linkin Park making an EDM album or not enough?

[toxic yacht]

= more ana

more ana means fucking

[solid spear]

cuz the hero was reliant on DM and those heros took that away from her

[wintry matrix]

i think it won't change much her relation with zarya

[toxic yacht]

[solid spear]

but now she does more

[wintry matrix]

it'll just means she now can tickle zarya a bit more

[red anvil]

LP wont be making anything more 😿

[solid spear]

she has whatever the new ability is now while the DM nerf is irrelevant to DF and Zarya

so shes objectively better against them

even if only slightly

[toxic yacht]

yah, it's a buff vs zarya

but like

less DM

[wintry matrix]

i'd just said it won't change much, like yes, she will be better against zarya, but by very little

[solid spear]

more Ana

[red anvil]

less DM is more power to zarya

[solid spear]

[toxic yacht]

more ana

less concentrated dives

[solid spear]

yes yes

thats good

[toxic yacht]

wonson has less protection

[solid spear]

Ana is bae

[red anvil]

D.va becomes less of a must pick

[solid spear]

we dont know that

[toxic yacht]

longer engagements = more chances for zarya to get high energy

which could in theory bring her back

[solid spear]

for all we know the missles are broken af lol

thats why we need PTR

[toxic yacht]

but we need to see how strong the missiles are first

[solid spear]

really cant theorycraft not knowing that

its an entire new ability

[red anvil]

pharah ult every 5 seconds sound okai?

[toxic yacht]

we don't know how it'll work yet

how long the cooldown is, or anything

like, right now I'm goign off micromissiles maybe doign 120 damage all together

or something

[balmy wolf]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6v53c9/blizz_is_working_on_dva_changes_internally/dlxpf2h/

[wintry matrix]

it'll be funny if it's better than pharah ult considering dva can move during, and pharah can't

[toxic yacht]

similar to helix

except on dva

[balmy wolf]

"This seems like a great change for an FPS game, and here's why: With the way season 5 is going with three or four people locking DPS even at higher ELOs, its becoming clear we need more reliable damage dealers across the classes. A large percentage of this community wants to be more engaged in the fragging, and that's okay, because its an FPS game after all!"

[wintry matrix]

i think 120 is too much

[balmy wolf]

WHAT'S THE POINT OF MAKING CLASSES WHEN EVERYONE CAN DPS

[red anvil]

depends how the rockets works

[balmy wolf]

[red anvil]

if they are spread all around like a pancake

[toxic yacht]

120 seems to be blizz's sweet spot for anything rocket related

[wintry matrix]

remember when i said people don't have the right perception of the game?

[toxic yacht]

not even just rockets

a lot of high damage things

do 120

all rockets, dragonblade etc

[wintry matrix]

yeah, but imagine a 600 hp mobile mecha diving into you

[red anvil]

or shot upwards and forward or something so they cant be shot straight into someone like helix

[wintry matrix]

it could be super OP if used at short range against squishies

[toxic yacht]

I think it's gonna be something like helix

but bursty

like, multiple missles

[balmy wolf]

helix not bursty

[toxic yacht]

that do all that damage all together

[balmy wolf]

@wintry matrix as a coach all these changes are making my head spins

[wintry matrix]

oh, like a circle of lots of missles going at once you mean?

[toxic yacht]

ya

like a helix

[solid spear]

if could just be like 6 missles 20 each in a 3m radius

[toxic yacht]

so basically, a helix rocket, but made of multiple rockets

[solid spear]

or something

[toxic yacht]

that don't land at the same time

kinda like a hybrid between helix rockets and lucio's gun

dunno

[wintry matrix]

tbh i always get a bit down when they introduce a new dmg ability rather than a new power or utility

reminds of Paladins

[solid spear]

thing is

[wintry matrix]

where a fuckton of abilities are just raw dmg

[solid spear]

she can fire and use missles

[toxic yacht]

for some reason I keep imaginging it like the rpg from half-life where you can control its trajectory although it obviously won't work like that

[solid spear]

or missles while she DMs

thats super good

[red anvil]

looking away from the missles a second, how the f is pharah gone survive against d.va?

[toxic yacht]

ya, it's 100% multiple missiles released in aburst

they said salvo

based off titanfall

[red anvil]

d.va can just dive after her and keep shooting mid air

[wintry matrix]

that's essentially a flying roadhog before hook nerf

[toxic yacht]

and the aircraft games I#ve played

a salvo are multiple things shit i very quick succession

[solid spear]

Like the fact that she can use it in combination with any other ability or firing

makes it seem like it could be very strong

[toxic yacht]

ngl

that sounds like so much fun

but like

matrix being 2 seconds

is fucking massive

[solid spear]

thats why its like I need these changes on PTR rn lol

not in 2 weeks

[toxic yacht]

I LOVE THEORYCRAFTING, OKAY?

THIS IS LITERALLY ONE OF MY FAVOURITE THINGS TO DO

[red anvil]

https://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/overwatch/images/3/30/Roadhog_anniversary_dance.gif/revision/latest?cb=20170524194255

[solid spear]

even on PTR its going to be theory crafting

but we can do it better

[toxic yacht]

LET ME THEORYCRAFT NOW

[red anvil]

gif dident work

[toxic yacht]

[solid spear]

also Roadhog

fuck Geoff

[toxic yacht]

but yeah

pharah

[red anvil]

his dance is still cute at least

[toxic yacht]

sounds megafucked

against dva

[solid spear]

less DM though

youll get more spam in

[toxic yacht]

I mean, flying towards her

and shooting

[red anvil]

butt face into pharah, keep spamming left click

[toxic yacht]

to cancel the boost

and falling

already takes off a ton of hp

if you time it right

especially because it takes some time to start falling

you have a short period where you can load tons of bullets into her head ez

[solid spear]

76 bouta be

so nice

[wintry matrix]

couple that with zen orb or just few pews from 76

[toxic yacht]

now that you can do that + shoot while flying

[solid spear]

Sojum most importantly

McCree buff

[toxic yacht]

McCree

[red anvil]

pharah either gota start using airborne as a tool rather then a permanent thing

[clever portal]

No escape from DVa

[toxic yacht]

well, you could argue that dva fucks him in a different manner now

lulz

[solid spear]

76 tac visors bouta be so clean

[toxic yacht]

well, deadeye will stop getting cucked now

[red anvil]

mountain dews rains from above?

[toxic yacht]

tac visor bout to be super clean

[solid spear]

well sound barrier and trans are still broken

but like

[toxic yacht]

tracer has even less reliable counters

[solid spear]

no D.Va

[toxic yacht]

"reliable"

[red anvil]

tracer is deffo gone be an issue

[toxic yacht]

like she had any reliable ones in the first place

[solid spear]

shes already an issue lul

best carry hero in the game at high level

I do hope they make recharge a lil faster

so you can still kinda use DM sporadically

[red anvil]

how long can you protect from pharah rockets with matrix now?

7-8 seconds?

[solid spear]

depends on how good the timing is

can eat a clip though usually

[toxic yacht]

[clever portal]

We can't ult when we want

[toxic yacht]

my brain is literally exploding right now

holy shit

[clever portal]

Prepare for three dps

[balmy wolf]

so someone did the math

2 seconds of DM

and 10 secs cooldown

[solid spear]

I mean its shorter than launch D.VA

granted you can choose when you want to use it

for all we know D.Va is just as stupid but in a different way

[toxic yacht]

can't wait for the uncounterable 4k nanovisors and deadeyes if rein doesn't make a comeback

[clever portal]

One tap the soldier with doomfist

[toxic yacht]

this buffs bastion, but bastion is lol, and shit like barrage, death blossom etc are gonna get much more the fucking strong

[solid spear]

sound barrier and trans are still the best ults in the game and are a major reason why visor/blade etc arent broken

but DM being shorter

defintely buffs hitscan as a whole

[clever portal]

Mykl tank

[toxic yacht]

well, if people run more ana due to the lack of dva and her ability to swing a fight + boost her own healing you'll effectively only have 1 defensive ult

instead of rotating 2

which would buff genji too

[solid spear]

see you want this Sojum

[clever portal]

Show yourself Jackie

[solid spear]

you want Ana back

for your Genju

[toxic yacht]

lmao

[solid spear]

Im ready

[toxic yacht]

I like variety

¯_(ツ)_/¯

nade can still go die in hell though

[solid spear]

these changes probably help with variety

especially if D.Va is still a good character

but well see

[toxic yacht]

if she isn't then people will either go triple dps or zarya, methinks

since hog is dead countering triple deeps is gonna be harder, but it's easier to deal with than a dva winston dive

[solid spear]

also Timo was talking about how triple dps shits all over DF

[toxic yacht]

well, I was about to ask that

[solid spear]

and D.Va cant help him as much

he probs gets worse if this goes through

[toxic yacht]

and nothing of value is gonna be lost

[balmy wolf]

or triple tank dive.

[toxic yacht]

or that

well, we said that if dva becomes shit

which I doubt

[solid spear]

if D.Va is actually like

good though

[toxic yacht]

but that's just an if

[solid spear]

which shell probably be at least decent

triple tank with D.Va gets a little more bite

and you just have cycle defensive abilities better

with Zarya/D.Va/Monkey or Rein

it could actually be better if anything depending on how much better D.Va is offensively

[toxic yacht]

dva would effectively act like a fat tracer or fat genji, I think

I'm probably wrong

but like, you still wouldn't drop tracer obv

since this buffs her

[solid spear]

shed be like old Hog

[wary falcon]

Mykl is probably most underrated tank player in western scene

sadly

[solid spear]

way different bviously

[toxic yacht]

I mean in triple tank dive

she'd act like thicc genji or tracer

[solid spear]

ah

you want legit hitscan Id think

so youd probably drop Genji

[toxic yacht]

could be, since their both close range

funnily enough

dva's kit

has a lot of similarities to genji's

[solid spear]

and run Tracer or 76/D.Va/Monkey/Zarya/Lucio/Ana or Zen

[toxic yacht]

it's like the poor man's genji

for people who don't have the mechanics to play him

[solid spear]

poor mans Genji without the resets and more health

[toxic yacht]

hence more forgiving

[solid spear]

and you still get some DM on the side

[toxic yacht]

and eaiser for mechincless people

now that DM was nerfed, it'd be even more like deflect

[jagged crater]

dva rework, dva turns white

[solid spear]

Harb might actually be a decent D.Va now

[toxic yacht]

Harb D. Va

[solid spear]

shes a dps now lul

and Harb is a dps main with a tank hero pool

[toxic yacht]

that's because his dps are a meme

[solid spear]

oh ofc

[jagged crater]

when the was the last time harb played in a pro match

it's been a while

[solid spear]

Contenders season 0 qualifiers in June

[jagged crater]

and that didnt go well 😦

zarya's kinda back into the meta, maybe he'll have something good going on here

but then doomfist just got a nerf on ptr

from what I tested in ptr, felt pretty significant

maybe i got spoiled by the generous hitbox but i get a lot of those "how the heck did that miss" moments

[clever portal]

Oreo getting bullied on flame

[jagged crater]

what happened to stoop? Where he at now?

[clever portal]

Not heard that name in a long time

[jagged crater]

think former pro tank players get forgotten a lot

they're like the least memorable

[rapid oxide]

He stoop playing Overwatch

[jagged crater]

[rapid oxide]

[jagged crater]

are there any pro main tanks from season 1 era that are still on a decent team?

[balmy wolf]

Stoop is trying to find works as an analyst now

no idea where's he at tho

[jagged crater]

stoop come back

[wary falcon]

pro main tanks? Miro

[jagged crater]

pro main western tank players

[wary falcon]

i don't remember much, a lot of retired or went to trash-tier teams

[jagged crater]

they just disappeared 😦

[wary falcon]

Winghaven is around OW scene

[jagged crater]

ok im gonna use OW open as a reference even tho that's s2 era

cocco is still good (on envy of course, no need to change!)

winghaven fctfctin

ryb on a t4 team, numlocked potentially lookin , reinforce just left misfits

dont even remember who was the tank player for these other teams

mesr, krawnic, shruuger(?), aythen(?), kryw

[clever portal]

Aythen was Ana

Immortals

[jagged crater]

maybe was hyped?

[wary falcon]

Anak was tank

[jagged crater]

fragi on giganti, he did good

[clever portal]

Seoul roster website up btw

[jagged crater]

is it just LH

with gido instead of whoru cuz he's too young

[clever portal]

Sopti was right

[balmy wolf]

people in OW rarely keep secret well anyway

and Jacob Wolf already reported it weeks ago

[jagged crater]

heh whoops

[balmy wolf]

so you know

[wary falcon]

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/GD/YeyBYa3H-overwatch-players-are-some-of-the-cringiest-people-ive-ever-played-videogames-with

🤔

[jagged crater]

not like it was very surprising anyway

but then watch LH not be able to adapt well into the meta

that would be interesting

[wary falcon]

Also Mesr is still active i guess

[jagged crater]

free agent?

[wary falcon]

I think so, he didn't find team after Liquid yet

hymzi (roadhog main)

[clever portal]

https://www.reddit.com/r/competitiveoverwatch/comments/6v4244/_/dlxh3e2

[wary falcon]

not sure if roadhog can be a tank or a hero now

[jagged crater]

im trying to think, which role is often least respected or memorized for star power

main tank would you say or lucio?

[clever portal]

Ford stealing emotes

[wary falcon]

Main tank is highly praised

[jagged crater]

ryujehong took all the star power for flex healer

main tank is not like a star tho

they're like jsut doing what needs to be done

[wary falcon]

i think flex/off-tank is least memorized

or lucio

[jagged crater]

flex off tank when zarya/hog was meta was very memorable

but dva flex has been forgettable

cuz nobody cares about dva

DM bot aint fun to watch

except for those highlight ult DMs

and multikill self destructs

mickie was great when s3 dva was the thing

so sorting from most to least recognition: dps (tracer/gengo) > flex dps (soldier/junkrat)> ??

[wary falcon]

genji > others

[jagged crater]

gengo

[supple nymph]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymJjYDz5iJo

[limber pine]

a good chunk of their existence fell between Blizz tournaments

i feel like their timing was perfectly terrible

[rapid oxide]

https://www.teamseoul.gg/copy-of-english i think now it's official

[supple nymph]

what is the press conf for if they already released it?

[balmy wolf]

@limber pine also peaked at the wrong time

FeelsRogueMan

[limber pine]

[vestal mortar]

😍

[clever portal]

[supple nymph]

https://www.winstonslab.com/matches/match.php?id=1837

interesting how rogue's k/d was still better

[clever portal]

Rigged by tlm

[red anvil]

well thats because Envision was horrible at resetting at times

and kept going

feeding ults but Rogue used those ults so horribly that it dident matter

[rapid oxide]

https://twitter.com/ZoeviaBlizzard/status/899742348418076672

Kiki - Zoevia (@ZoeviaBlizzard)

New job, new gear.

Overwhelmed and thrilled to announce I'm joining the @overwatchleague team!

Twitter

[clever portal]

[pine star]

I want that cap

[clever portal]

24.99

[pine star]

I do not want that cap

[obtuse tartan]

https://www.teamseoul.gg/copy-of-english

Team Seoul is Lunatic Hai

To be more specific, it's Lunatic Hai with Gido as the DPS, so no LTJ throwing

[toxic yacht]

no whoru

[wintry matrix]

First six*

[toxic yacht]

genji onetricks are not desired in this meta

[wintry matrix]

So Lee can still show up

[solid spear]

unforunately their best dps is 11 years old

and cant play

[obtuse tartan]

WhoRU is 16 I think

and you gotta be 18, so no WhoRU

also technically yes LTJ could still show up

but god I hope not

[solid spear]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/6v6f35/ama_team_usa_overwatch_world_cup_team/?st=j6mpe4zw&sh=8ca00fd6

Team USA AMA

also https://twitter.com/coolmatt69/status/899715962303381504

matt iorio (@coolmatt69)

Overall it will still reward proper usage against tracer/zarya rather than blindly and oppressively holding down the matrix button

Twitter

[clever portal]

Zunba will still be a god

[toxic yacht]

🙏 that coolmott can stop playing dva but I won't get my hopes up

at least she'll be more mechanically demanding and less M2 managy now

[solid spear]

I think if the missles are any good shell still get play

I went to PTR for like a half hour and pretended I had no DM when it past the half marker, if you use it sporadically you can still get decent use out of it

you just cant shut down ults like before

[toxic yacht]

zaryas all across the world cheered as their new AIDS grav is pretty much impossible to eat

[solid spear]

well

a lot of the gravs that were eaten

were eaten on reaction

not because she was holding it for 4 seconds

and that play is still there for D.Va

[toxic yacht]

pretty much every eaten grav is 100% prediction

same with deflections

[solid spear]

that doesnt change

[toxic yacht]

you have to do a kobe grav in order to react to it

and even when it's a kobe you have to be partially expecting it

but that's besides the point

[solid spear]

I suspect D.Va will still be good

[toxic yacht]

my point was that it's gonna be much harder to manage matrix by still blocking things + having a bit ready to eat grav

[solid spear]

even though we have to see

[toxic yacht]

you only hold M2 over zarya if you want to pressure her into using her ult at a suboptimal moment anyway

anyway, if rein doesn't make a comeback then to all of the DPS ults

[solid spear]

well Barrage and Deadeye is still meh even without her

but visor and blossom are better if you catch em with support ults down

[toxic yacht]

barrage is a suicide button

[solid spear]

as is Deadeye

[toxic yacht]

I'm mostly scared of visor and blossom

[solid spear]

blossom is still cc weak at least

Soldier probably benefits the most out of any hero from these changes

[toxic yacht]

76 is finally playable again

[solid spear]

lul

[toxic yacht]

no one to contest him

well, pretty sure that dva can actually kill him in 1v1 now

just no more cucking

[solid spear]

if the missles are any good she might be oppressive af

just like

in the old way

as opposed to the Im gonna make you useless for 4 seconds way

[toxic yacht]

I'm fine with old way minus matrix

[solid spear]

cuz like you can just DM and use missles lol

which sounds like itll be aids to deal with

she probably still pressures tf outta some heros

[toxic yacht]

I mean, that's the whole point of her kit

[solid spear]

I really wanna try it but who knows when itll go to PTR

[toxic yacht]

when

[iron cedar]

probably when the new mapcomes out?

[solid spear]

ugh thatd suck

cuz I dont expect that to come before next week

I want to at least know specifics of the new ability

[iron cedar]

yeah

I think the new ability will make or break this "reworked" Dva

[solid spear]

"To me, the proper way to use my matrix is to get my monkey into position with it and then use it to peel tracers. I think the proposed changes will still allow me to do this but it will require a much finer balance as in less room for error on my and my team's part. You will definitely be punished for misuse of matrix which can only raise the skill cap of the character.
One thing I expect to see is a resurgence of Ana and more common high value nano visors as dva is a main factor in mitigating the both of them.
Also, her mobility and damage sounds like it's going to go up drastically so her playstyle may honestly swap from a peeler to a diver. Right now she already does a pretty large amount of burst damage(~80) with shift->melee->shoot. I could see her doing around 100 burst damage just by being allowed to shoot while flying and that's not counting the damage that missiles will add. It's really possible that her damage will turn her into an additional dive threat."

Coolmatt on proposed D.Va changes

[iron cedar]

Wonder how taimou would react to this 🤔

[solid spear]

hes 100% jerking off rn

[clever portal]

taimouGACHI

[solid spear]

[clever portal]

[solid spear]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/6v6f35/ama_team_usa_overwatch_world_cup_team/dlxybww/

[toxic yacht]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/108745218689404928/349324318888689665/Screenshot_2017-08-21-18-40-20-1.png

At least he's honest about who he's trying to be

[solid spear]

Well hope he can get there hes a smart player

[supple nymph]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/6v6v3s/satire_geoff_goodman_announces_dva_to_become_dps/

[clever portal]

Did you see Sinatraa's answer

[limber pine]

don't you just enjoy how former mods become shitposters

[clever portal]

Who?

[toxic yacht]

Pesto

Literally the post that's linked

[clever portal]

Former

I thought it was just a break

[limber pine]

IIRC he called it an indefinate leave of absence

which is what it is

[supple nymph]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6v720s/suggestions_for_improving_competitive_play_during/

did blizzard reach out for this SG?

[limber pine]

reach out for what?

oh that

[supple nymph]

just wondering seems random lol

[limber pine]

No, we decided to create a megathread because we're going to have a lot of individual feedback that people want to give

b/c end of season shenanagens

[supple nymph]

so there's nothing new with blizzard actually wanting feedback

[limber pine]

If Blizzard wants feedback, they will ask for it themselves

They are not shy in doing so, and don't usually ask mods to do it for them

[supple nymph]

so total waste of time to write any feedback there

[limber pine]

depends on how you interpret it

a lot of people just want a place to post their thoughts

[balmy wolf]

competitive is such a cesspool

tried to play it a bit

and now i realized why i moved on to coaching instead

[smoky hinge]

ow matchmaking

[pine star]

https://twitter.com/harbleuOW/status/899795692197105665

Anthony Ballo (@harbleuOW)

stepping down from the active NRG roster, open to offers out there but going to use this time to focus on my stream. thanks for the support!

Twitter

[balmy wolf]

well

that's kind of inevitable

time for IDDQD to do the same too

soon TM

[blazing parrot]

harb

[clever wagon]

I went to sleep and like any other day with OW shit happens

What the fuck

DVa... rework?

[balmy wolf]

yeah

[blazing parrot]

[supple nymph]

http://imgur.com/a/Vj9GN

truong

[wintry matrix]

sad

WC vods uploaded btw

but it wasn't surprised

tho i wonder if the enviroment was bad bc of defeats or bc of internal conflicts

remember when they were friends

[supple nymph]

@balmy wolf https://www.twitch.tv/taimoutv

[balmy wolf]

wut

why ping me

[supple nymph]

come guess the roster

https://puu.sh/xgdMT/55e7d63840.png

troll

[balmy wolf]

10 minutes followers only

well then

[supple nymph]

taimou says no koreans in nrg

https://www.twitch.tv/teamseoul

team seoul press conf

[solid spear]

[pine star]

This looks so awkward lol

Zunba is so nervous

[balmy wolf]

meanwhile

i'm in comp

with Agilities's alt

[supple nymph]

dont let him smell your fears

[supple nymph]

lmao

[pine star]

[supple nymph]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6v87nx/lw_blue_abstained_from_apex_season_4_in_order_to/

[pine star]

You fucking wot mate

Also

Seoul will sign another 6 players

If Seoul does it, you bet your ass at least one western team will do it as well

[blazing parrot]

you mean like la ?

[pine star]

No

[blazing parrot]

also by 6 players you eman 6 more to the team?

[crisp lynx]

luna die for this

[pine star]

I don't mean 2 teams

I mean another 6 players for the Seoul team

[blazing parrot]

cause its like 6 to 12 player per 1 team

[pine star]

For a total of 12

[blazing parrot]

well no duh lol

why wouldnt you stack 12 people to a team

[pine star]

Costs?

One would assume all of the teams would have subs, at least 2 or 3

[blazing parrot]

they probably could afford it

[pine star]

But I'm not sure most teams would have 6 subs

[wintry matrix]

i dunno, 12 players still sounds dumb

[pine star]

But if Seoul is doing it, others will too just because of that

[crisp lynx]

LH manager said rest 6 member is not decided yet.

[rapid oxide]

https://twitter.com/ZoeviaBlizzard/status/899809214486298625

Kiki - Zoevia (@ZoeviaBlizzard)

ICYMI: Every 2017 Overwatch World Cup VOD is available on our YT Playlist - https://t.co/m95DILkbyb

Get out there and analyze. 📈

Twitter

[pine star]

@crisp lynx they said they will be adding another 6 in the press conference

[crisp lynx]

yes. i mean 12 members is just their plan in future. so it's not decided who they are.

[pine star]

Ah yeah

I meant they will add 6 more player

Not that they already knew who the players will be

Also

There's something I don't get

[balmy wolf]

@supple nymph 68% kill participation

[pine star]

If LWB will not continue playing in APEX for OWL

Why does LH still gets to play?

[supple nymph]

?

[pine star]

[supple nymph]

@balmy wolf ?

[balmy wolf]

Agilities.

[supple nymph]

oh

rip

[balmy wolf]

he was in my team @supple nymph

i got carried so hard lulz

[supple nymph]

oh gud

[crisp lynx]

i think in case of lw, owner who signed lw want it. maybe they should go oversea?

[balmy wolf]

2 top 100

and my acc is 3.7K

[supple nymph]

2 all korean owl teams

save us envyus

[pine star]

[supple nymph]

[crisp lynx]

hope 3rd kr team, kongdoo

[pine star]

Which city will they play for?

I seriously hope we get a second Seoul spot

[balmy wolf]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6v87nx/lw_blue_abstained_from_apex_season_4_in_order_to/

[crisp lynx]

if it is korean city, there is no reason to abstain from apex.

[supple nymph]

maybe it's BS like that c9 recruiting 6 koreans article?

[crisp lynx]

c9 eu has roster already.

[solid spear]

Id imagine its NY or Boston

or some unnanounced team

[crisp lynx]

yes i thought same location

NY or LA 2nd spot

[pine star]

Unannounced team

[solid spear]

oh yeah i completely forgot

about the other LA team

[red anvil]

Like reinforce said, unless they are going to team seoul it dont make any sense at all

[clever portal]

If its an NA team

They might be looking to integrate Western players with LW Blue

So they want to start now

[solid spear]

https://www.overbuff.com/blog/2017-08-22-overwatch-hero-tier-list-and-meta-report-fists-of-fury

[sullen berry]

@solid spear ty 🤗

[solid spear]

np

[clever portal]

Do you ever sleep?

[solid spear]

I mean its 6AM is there any point now 🤔

[balmy wolf]

[clever portal]

Enjoy the best emotes on discord

@balmy wolf

Btw no k appa and P ogChamp here

You have to use and

[balmy wolf]

Anyone know what's this about harbleu?

Did he quit the team? Or what happened?

[forest raven]

Stepped down from the active roster, focusing on his stream, wasn't a fan of the team environment

[balmy wolf]

Thanks @forest raven

[forest raven]

np

[red anvil]

So he dident get the boot?

[balmy wolf]

As he just said he left the team to focus on his stream

If that's the official statement then that means he left on his own accord with no one kicking him

[clever portal]

Atleast he claimed the environment was really bad

Because players were constantly leaving

And many that he became friends with

Either way, for the better

[red anvil]

yes but like, why now? there werent exactly a lot left to leave

and it's quite a while since the last person left

unless IDDQD got the 👢 as well

[toxic yacht]

Being the only 2 people on the team was probably part of the bad environment

[clever portal]

I guess it simply wasn't working

Iddqd and Harbleu are not some god core

[balmy wolf]

if I'm being non bias, let's not pretend they were godlike in Complexity and old Fnatic either

[toxic yacht]

https://twitter.com/Kryw99/status/899237978941399040

Jonathan Kryw N. (@Kryw99)

Ok goodbye Ranked

Twitter

nice

[balmy wolf]

@toxic yacht last night I got carried by Agilities and Coluge. Both top 100

as a 3.7K player

but yeah OW MM is crap.

[forest raven]

Only teams I'd ever call godlike are EnVy late 2016 (maybe now, too), OG Rogue and Lunatic-Hai tbf

[toxic yacht]

ya, you said it, lul

when it was happening yesterday iirc

[forest raven]

coL had their moments, and Harb was the carry

[red anvil]

OW have MM?

i thought they were just rolling a dice and hoping for the best

that looks real bad tho

but people would complain constantly if they dident get matches so

i have played games with worse MM then OW tho, i played a game with dynamic team sizes and ended up being matched up 2 vs 8

[smoky hinge]

OG Rogue was moist

yeah, harb left coL for NRG

[forest raven]

Say what you will about NRG, they definitely paid him more than coL

[clever portal]

NRG pays more than NV

[red anvil]

NV has micke, that is plenty of payment in it self

[forest raven]

Mickie has made so much money for EnVy, no doubt

The unedited message is still true though

[red anvil]

i'm curious how much he gets from Intel for that commercial

[balmy wolf]

@forest raven and are two better Contract Jail to be in anyway

[red anvil]

Not if it's a non OWL contract

[balmy wolf]

[pine star]

https://twitter.com/OverwatchBoston/status/899983181188825088

Overwatch Boston (@OverwatchBoston)

First hire: ✔
Stay tuned…

Twitter

[rapid oxide]

[onyx belfry]

where has the world cup gone lol

[wintry matrix]

the group stages are done

playoffs in blisscon

[onyx belfry]

ok lol

bring it back though it was fun

[wintry matrix]

i'll suppose it will be a yearly thing

[onyx belfry]

when are the playoffs

[forest raven]

Beginning of November

[solid spear]

You can watch some OW contenders in the meantime every weekend

[onyx belfry]

that's like 5 months :FeelsBadMan:

[solid spear]

[forest raven]

There's Contenders and APEX on atm

[onyx belfry]

we need BTTV and Twitch emotes on this server :FeelsGoodMan:

[forest raven]

[onyx belfry]

how

can i just not see it myself

[forest raven]

I have Discord Nitro

[onyx belfry]

fiver a month :FeelsBadMan:

[forest raven]

[clever portal]

One day I will have nitro

[blazing parrot]

[smoky hinge]

[pine star]

[clever wagon]

McSullivan

https://twitter.com/OverwatchBoston/status/899983181188825088

Aug 22, 2017, 1:22 PM

This is some serious shit

[violet nimbus]

Hey does anyone know when the next competitive season will be after this one ends..?

I play overwatch when destiny drys up, so I'll be busy on D2 for a while, but I'm actually starting to like OW now... So I want to try and be back for the next comp season start-finish..... if possible...

Thanks 😄

[clever wagon]

Expect at least a week of off season

@violet nimbus but this is not the place to ask that question

[violet nimbus]

I know. I asked in comp, but didn't get a response, sorry 😦

[wintry matrix]

the next will be prob in a few weeks

but yeah, this channel is for esports

and soe

[violet nimbus]

Well I just got one lol

like right after I asked.

I'm the worst :/

You guys low key think I'm a hanzo main.. 😦

[solid spear]

.-.

[violet nimbus]

Well jokes on you guys, I'm a widow main.

Anyway, esports.. so who carries OW, is it MLG or..?

[forest raven]

What do you mean by carry?

[clever wagon]

Blizzard

(Name change in celebration of finally getting rid of my shitty, idiotic, self-deprecating, ironic Battletag)

[forest raven]

That you, gank?

[clever wagon]

Yes

[forest raven]

👌

[violet nimbus]

Like what competitive e sports company has OW as a flagship title.?

[clever wagon]

I'm not kidding

[violet nimbus]

Blizz hosts their own tournaments..?

That's awesome!

[toxic yacht]

not yet, but they want to do that

and are currently in the process of doing it

[clever wagon]

(Well, in cooperation with some other companies like MLG, ESL, or Carbon)

[pine star]

They out source production currently

[toxic yacht]

to bad that all of the best tournaments weren't hosted by blizz

[clever wagon]

hosts in name but works with those as organizers

[pine star]

Who are you? 👀 @clever wagon