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in a sea of Kobe bombs seeing Logix twice get a triple feels so good
Also Shadowburn/Mistakes duo looks amazing especially if Sdb will pick DF and latter will play soldier more
Movistar > C9
๐ฏ MOVI ๐ฏ
you know it's bad when you only know C9 because of C9 lul
new c9 kinda sucks
what did winston do lul
I think c9 got potential but some players right now are preforming poorly while others are playing very good
you know it's bad when you only know C9 because of C9 lul
C9 LUL is the international meme
great achievment
you can see it even in korean chats
damn
i know c9 since cs lul
@blazing parrot stahp
i dont think they give shits either way for it
no one will forget them now
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@solid spear hey you 
I know c9 since cod 1
Tviq, Hanzo, Please
Hiya
/s
Don't tease me
Cwoosh and logix carrying these other 4 players is so great to watch
logix 
@wary falcon Cs:go ? 
dive vs dive 
dat combo
just don't understand your point about C9
C9 Misfits usually go back and forth
back and forth 
This is more of a testament to how good the new roster is
Maximizing Cwoosh space making capabilities
LOL, Surefour in jail
haha good joke jackie
ggez
it really was
0-4watch
@wary falcon should have bet on this match FeelsBadman
logix was the hero overwall
can't hide his smile
reinforce 
Inb4 Gigantii 4-0s EUnited 
I think eunited is gonna 4-0 gigantti
nV has 1.66 and IMT has 2.2
it's just people hyping them up uselessly because they didn't get destroyed by rogue
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omg, rogue didn't destroy them, they just still haven't lost a single match outside of kroea
they're so overrated and bad
nV probably isn't much better, lul
Im not talking about Rogue
anyways i bet on nV
I think IMT is really good and getting better
1.75 on my boy Effect is still 1.75
I think they have a higher ceiling even if I see them losing this weekend
we haven't seen nV play under proper circumstances for a while now
especially against non-top tier korean and Rogue
like I wouldnt be surprised if any of Rogue, IMT, NV win Contenders in the end
but I wouldnt sleep on any of them
it's really impossible to rate nV because they've been in apex too much

like I wouldnt be surprised if any of Rogue, IMT, NV win Contenders in the end
Lol, only this teams have chance to win Contenders
last time they played in NA they lost 3-2 to Rogue but that was months ago and with Lui instead of Effect
other teams are just placeholders
Faze I think has potential
that match wasn't even close
has potential since now everyone is bootcamping
it was stomp
in NA
Sdb in NA?
yes. Along with Carpe @wary falcon
eunited going to roll giganti?
yes
should i even bother to watch
Faze has like people in a teamhouse and Carpe>>>Lui
they could be way better
or just kinda better
valutaja 
E F F E C T
its hard to say

...
Woah, am I trusted?
dive vs dive......
no
Nvm wrong chat

Wtf
this was... interesting
like, they were poking
10km away from the point
like it's a reinhardt meta
can't believe Mistakes left 123 right before OWC
I really wonder how close EU and Misfits are ๐ค
Should be very close
i think eunited should break 2nd place curse
but C9 << eunited
this felt really chill ngl
so it's really hard to judge
yeah I agree
perphaps cwoosh will make mistakes against better team
also, boombox got picked off first twice
@smoky cradle is a pleb 
but C9 is still like top 3 or 4 EU and they got smacked
which lost them the map
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wtf zarya rein
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Nip finally adapt to dive 
Zarya energy against dive lul
What is this
fragi doing god's work
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What is happening it stopped loading for me what am I missing?
Not much, they are just baiting ults
Linkzr with the sacrifice
ex NIP?
Hello????
Giganti 
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What the
Eunited so badlul ex C9 better

That Trance leaves Kruise's blade free next time
look at the shadow
you cant have shadow on a greenscreen?
if it is a good greenscreen it wouldn't show
also
Well since it looks like today is going to be full of upsets, calling it now: Envision 4 - 0 Rogue
wtf
is this loud transition
jesus
it's like a bunch of screaming souls combined into one sound
screeching
its just week 1 a lot of teams havent been scrimming lately cuz of WC as other stuff
well get a better idea of how teams stack as Contenders goes on
Ana plays 
Linkzr
EU needs to full hold now
this is a big problem for some OW maps
BIP Back In Pyjamas
you need to full hold or you will fight other team near your spawn
fucking double support ult
wow
ITS HAPPENING
how EU lost the first map?
smh
Wow
LET'S GO GIGANTE
The pickups for Gigantti are good
Linkzr and Dav were outplaying Vallu and Kruise that game
more like vallu was non-existent
Don't even give a fuck about the result of the two later matches now
and kruise can't do shit alone
Gigante is already over performing
really glad RIP is finding their shit
wonder how much impact their new supports are making
EU has had guys at WC for weeks and Gig just went to LAN
plus theyre getting to gel more with the new changes
Shaz is good ye
but so was Zupp
and we saw him do well today too
Davin fragging out
Full holding on EUnited ๐ค
completely outplaying Vallu
yo, I just checked in, what's happening
Isn't EUNited supposed to be the best in Europe or something?
They are
Ex-nip kinda
Ninjas In Pyjama and some new guys
well, eUnited was the favorite. But we woke up in an alternate dimension this morning apparently
nobody saw this coming btw
first LH and now this
Misfits are also scary again
maybe if it's upset season in Overwatch someone can beat South Korea
is this a bo7?
4 games series
No, 4 game sets
BOOMBOX BOOMFIST
wow, Eunited can tie at best
Fragi overextended there FeelsBadman
it goes to Ilios tiebreaker in that case, so eUnited can still win
BOOMBOX HACK
4 ults
draw at worst for Gig
cant even tie
EUnited had 5 ults and couldn't even 2CP it out
EUnited gonna get 4-0ed, lol
Eunited washed
I called it, but I wasn't serious
rigged 
so if everyone's getting upset, who's going to get rolled in NA contenders
NRG going to crush Envyus

oh yeah, forgot
So IMT and EnVision will win, right?
so where the fuck is NRG anyways
looking for a roster
I thought they were looking for a new roster, but I think Mendo or someone said he knew for a fact Seagull wasn't scrimming with NRG
so if they aren't recruiting him who is? OWL?
or maybe he really is just in prison
not announced
I figured if NRG is looking for a new roster they might as well take another look at their old guys who still have fanbases
he's at gamescom next week but i dont know where he was
pick player because he has fanbase?
gone for a couple weeks
NaVi. Dendi on his way
Not the worst idea Jackie
It is the worst possible idea for every fan
LH's fanbase is notorious
Pick player only because he has fanbase
Selling merch is probably a good idea
I mean, Seagull's also considered a pretty good player, even if he hasn't played in ages
seagull jerseys seagull dolls
I hope you know about Navi.Dota2 and Dendi
plushies
Did Gigantti win that map?
they chose merch over results
I know literally nothing about DOTA 2
they bet against themselves

remember when i said that Eunited is the best eu team?
@wary falcon me and you should have bet on today match

Lol
Now that is a C9
c9
EUnited finally woke up
Atleast they didn't get 4-0ed
Nope
1 and 15 minutes I think
I think one hour, but lemme check

Who do you guys think is gonna win between envyus and immortals?
NV VS IMMT!!!
2-2
I'm with Oreo, I see a 2-2
wow thats a weird team comp. never seen that before
YUP
FINALLY
oh doomfist sounds interesting
agilities deflected the deadeye
and missed taimou
lul
NA aim
nice self destruct
Lol that shatter
that meteor strike on mech recall was beautiful
how's the match so far?
Envyus looking solid and playing different picks
very close but NV up 1-0
oh why did
chose the map that
make their career on? Hello?
99% 99% on both points
Cocco on Reign, Mickie on monkey, Mccreemou, and a very scary Effect DF
๐ BabyRage HELLO ENVY? ๐ BabyRage THIS IS NORTH AMERICA ๐ BabyRage CAN YOU PLEASE GO BACK TO KOREA? ๐ BabyRage
also these casters are ResidentSleeper
Did GrimReality play Mccree?
no
not yet, they're still on dive
true ^
nV with tracer > nV with doomfist
Jeez Effect is scary
MICKIE ZARYA

GrimReality waited til DF have charge on cd
then pushed him
lol why agilities went into black hole?
flying mickie
Damn, Grim was really pulling it together at the end there
@toxic yacht Agilities still drunk btw
Why do some have platinum portraits and some bronze portraits?
@balmy wolf tournament realm
Fuck has contenders already started?
yeah
3rd match
bronze are just normal acc
platinum border means tournament realm
@balmy wolf And what's tournament realm?
Effect on DF again
special server for tournaments @balmy wolf
Eh, with like previous patches or what?
What's the difference, I don't quite get it.
@balmy wolf the patch is current but the server is specficially for tournaments
they are not sharing server with normal online play
Damn this makes me want to play DF
and of course come with the benefits such as full access to sprays and etc etc
Obviously
@TAG_ME_IF_EFFECT_CARRIES
I think envy will win it all

Rogue will be weak
without their payload rider
Jeff pls
NV looking really strong
Is the nerf only the hitbox?
honestly i don't think kolsti is downgrade from knoxxx
let's not put the cart before the horse
but then again teamplay will be weaken
Rogue looked pretty weak in the World Cup though
a lot
Yeah they weren't great in the world cup
@obtuse tartan that's what playing with CN production do to ya
obviously they swept their group, but they were given far more of a challenge than they should have been
And they're very inflexible
people said
is in flexible but do you seriously see any teams doing anything else outside of dive?
Did other teams have the same problem?

that's some shit production then
And they're very inflexible
Is EnvyUs flexible?
I'm always kind of confused as to how there are so many tech problems in these tourneys
Mickie zarya
harry on soldier
Cocco rein and winston
Harry soldier
Effect has a great genji apparently but we haven't seen that
they can't run genji/pharah
taimou on roadhog 
lol yeah. It's true they're missing a good pharah and genji we're not shre
remember
literally running Genji/Tracer dive during Contender S0 and nobody bat an eyes
but somehow
is "inflexible"
Wait taimous Mccree pathetic?
@balmy wolf ok thanks
if i'm not mistaken they lose 0-3 or 0-4
Taimou Pathetic on Mccree? 
I wake up at 7 to catch the games and envy imt is already 2-0 feelsbadman
Well yeah - Rogue literally can't play anything except their dive comp
can't say that he was good when last time picked mccree and reaper in apex league
We haven't seen them be successful with anything else
Yeah draw wtf
did you watch the world cup?
the state of this caster and analyst banter...
Mr. X hates golden boy so much haha
do you really have a reason to be successful in anything else in the meta that you trailblazed?
and
has show adjustment with AKM on D.va and Unkoee with a godly Sombra
their strength is in mid game adjustment
not compositions
Also imt down 2-0 
Yep that's true
@forest raven Giganti 3-1 


WHAT
yes.
NO
LUL
EUnited looked lost the first 3 rounds
Also misfits looking stroooong
rogue literally won takeover 2 after swapping to rein on the last point
so yes, we've seen them succesfully run something else
not very long, but they have
they ran rein/cree/76/zen/lucio/dva
or something very similar
so, does it annoy anyone else that the guy called "Envy" is playing against team "Envyus"
He's changing his name apparently
it was trolling
nice troll cant even tell
IMT has barely made any pushes
why is Immortals getting bodied so hard
seems like people overhyped IMT a lot
they're good
Also re: Rogue I'm super happy to be proven wrong - I love Rogue. They've just looked really rusty in everything they've played in after apex
Hoping to see domination in s1
IMT LUL, Eunited LUL, C9 LUL
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it's like people's memories only go back 2 weeks...
I thought it would be closer at least
why the fuck did
pick the two maps that
is absolutely godlike at?
i expected 3-1 to EnvyUs
IMT and Eunited confirmed trash 
where are your analyst and support group?
so, technically because immortals capped more than a tick, don't they win this if they full hold NV?
Hello?
yes
well, I think they're gonna get rolled, but there's hope
why the fuck did
pick the two maps that
is absolutely godlike at?
somebody asnwer this for me plz
to humiliate
well people arent trying to play Hanamura lol

envyus on their best maps
Fighting Envyus on Numbani
Maybe overconfident
nah
Reddit was calling Taimou overrated not too long ago, how's his performance been today
Numbani, Gilbraltar and Volskyaya are maps that
made their fucking name on. DON'T GO THERE
Fate feeding
SERIOUSLY
ggs
REDDIT LUL
this is kinda disappointing
I was hoping for a way closer series
I expected envyus to win but not this dominantly
unfortunate I thought IMT would take a map or 2, still stand by what I said about them very much being a threat in Contenders
Hopefully they can wake up soon
same way I dont suddenly think Eunited is rip cuz they lost to Gigantti lol
GILBRALTAR? COME THE FUCK ON IMMORTALS
spain, i think.
is Gibraltar a good map for NV?
yes
What wouldn't be a good map for NV?
IMT went full retard
Thy won't get it past the first bridge ๐
Kariv, no points BibleThump
i hope IMT will cap 1 point
@obtuse tartan literally any other maps
AHEM, REMEMBER CODE7? DO YOU THINK DORADO IS ANY BETTER?
?
this is probably the only tournament where I'm ever gonna say this
well isnt the only other escort 66
I love my faze bois
is 66 in the pool?
there is a hope to see S4
I doubt it
emergency sub
Immortals won a fight 
Effect jesus
Grim gets a beautiful kill on the Winston and his whole team dies in the meantime
Doing so much work

So is anyone else noticing, they way they are switching between players, aka by going to 3rd person for a quick sec?
Grim gets a beautiful kill on the Winston
just a pulse bomb and recall?
pulse bomb, one clip and recall without positioning himself too far away from the fight
It wasn't crazy flashy, but I've seen more than enough failed pulse bombs to respect that
haven't really paid attention to it much Norn
it's probably because of all of the mirror comps
Do teams just wake up on Gibraltar? Eu was getting thrashed until they went there.
Its subtle, and doesent alwways happen, but imo. its a better transition.
makes it easier to transition between the same hero on a different team
because like
apparently people are too dumb for skins
nah @sturdy granite
is lucky to be able to get past the first point
although skins helped people differentiate during mirror comps
Gilbraltar is
playground
but yeh, it's definitely smoother
Agilities what was that blade 
Effect stop pls
Effect 
lol he killed taimou
idk
WHY
I feel like my inner plat genji awakens upon seeing these failed blades
i think i cursed it.
this third person view is trash yeah
lmfao
THE FIGHT'S STARTING STOP SHOWING THE HIGHLIGHT
EFFECT is actually half of the killfeed
shows the difference having an actually good DPS makes
sweet fantasy points
maybe LH should consider it next time
Blizz production 
god I hope LTJ gets permabenched
so, all things considered, IMT doing pretty good this map
when Ryujehong wasn't ana main
What fantasy league @wary falcon ?
not getting full held like we expected
I mean LH best dps has been in jail for a season
not yet, thank you
@solid spear
hey Agilities got kills this time

IMT plz
imagine how annoying he is to play against 
@blazing parrot yo!
how did they let effect escape
HOW
@solid spear 
C9999
effect plssss
they would've lost that anyways but still
they were losing anyway

Effect like instakilled Grim
LOL AGILITIES
EFFECT HAVE MERCY PLEASE
was there a shot from someone else in that too that I missed?
because Effect walks up and Grim just disappears

They knew grim was dead, agilites should have went in
Taimou widow let's go
it is call 2 hours warm up before comp 
Bad comms honestly
Osu OP
also yeah LTJ hasn't played professionally for a while but he's played nonstop comp and had time to scrim right? I feel like if he could be good he would be good by now

I just don't get why they made such a big deal of training Gido to be a good Tracer if they're just going to use another onetrick Tracer
tia ๐ฆ
nice, missed 2 headshots in a row
make that 4

LUL
Taimou getting jealous of effects killfeed
Stop going to 3rd person
Time 4 widow
omg
..
holy shit
Hoooooly
they read too many reddit posts about
but they're showing a reply
Oh god
actual replays
That fucking shot
fucks sake man
and again

even he is confused.
REEEEEEE remove widow
C9 lulz
man
okay what the fuck
IMT the fuck you doing
c9'd again
they even popped primal
immortals tilted as fuck
nooo Taimou switched
tasting the true gap between them and tier 1 lulz
IMT has no excuses for this one
Taimou on McMeme
McCree in this meta in a nutshell
Ahaha wtf

Taimou just bullied Grim that last round
lul
LUCIO potg 
The match was brutal
Carryhook 
wait a sec, now that we're on season 1 of Contenders, is Dafran freed?
Taimou picked mccree and got insta melted by genji
or is he jailed until season 2?
OWL roster LUL
Tier 6 teams in OWL
technically hes freed after s1 but hes "quit"
I got the sickest shot on @GrimRealityOW through the box crack and it didn't show??? FeelsBadMan
camera guys suck
Dafran is out of jail and in exile
I don't know if we saw it at all
How the fuck does the production get worse every time
Cameras were barely first person that last round
It wasn't recorded
this is why you run shadowplay in the background and mash alt+f10 the moment you make a play
lul
the third person Genji cam is insanely stupid
can we just scrap third person spectator view completely?
I got the sickest shot
when widow shot tracer through box crack on 2nd point?
third person spectator view of fights is occasionally good
but not when you're following around someone
hardly
yeah my bad that's what i mean
Then you're just covering up a quarter of the screen with the hero for no reason
the third person hero views
Yeah Bird's Eye is good
sucks 9/10 tiems
The KDP vs LH Bird's Eye cam showed off the big C9 that otherwise would've been missed if they were following a player
They think it's cool to see 3rd person genji
So why the fuck is left guy on the right
Effect nooo
Jackie raking the points
you see like
who're Envision
zero nuances
The new left guy looks weird
I want to say they'll get 4-0ed but it's not like we haven't seen tons of upsets lately
I want to know the thought process behind watching the payload while Timo gets 4 kills and then going to the replay while the payload hits 2nd
Looking at the Blade in third person makes it look really stupidly buggy and weird tbh
spectator mode is so awkward to use
get to see those clean 3rd person no regs 
the clip earlier where logix gets a 3k pulse bomb but the camera is on lucio who's chilling on payload on his own 
So winz isn't playing right?
nope
not this week
Knoxx on lucio, kolsti winston
but yeah I know everyone is going to have their hot takes but I still think IMT should be very strong this season
I want envision to win
Please Envision, I believe ๐
Left guy analyst was a mistake
How are those points Oreo

Fate LUL
IMT is the elit
On the one hand I want to see Rogue fail
Boot Puckett put left guy on host again pls
but on the other hand if Rogue really does suck now they'll get stomped by SK and I'll be running out of people to root in vain for
Is there a fantasy league going on?
Cuz I mean I could easily say anyone who said Eunited is winning cuz of one match is dumb too but thats not really fair
Rogue is about 2 wave a white flag 
We want the OG left guy
no, eUnited is a different situation, lul
"DoomFisters"
Winz quit I think
Winz is not playing next week
What?
Against RNG
Winz quit? Why?
He is here today
he didn't quit
Winz has not quit
he will be busy chasing 300K first prize in Quake Champions next week
with rapha, dahang and id
Isnt he going to quake or something
more than any OW prize pot up to today 
I forgot that game existed but okay

honestly thought veiwership would be a bit higher
kinda disappointed tbh
hopefully it improves over the course of the season
AKM on Doomfist 
same
WC and OGN Finals had like 30-40k
isn't the 20 million buy in for the OWL, not for Contenders?
yeah
Nico 
I blinked
Rein throwing pls switch
doomfist bullying rein 
I mean, I didnt know it was up until I checked twitch
Nicos popping off
doomfist 1shotting genji twice 
wait has the next game already started
THIRD PERSON SHOOTER
oh whoops
C9?
I started watching Heartthstone because I thought there'd be an hour delay or something, lol
DC
lmao
DDOS
wtf

RIGGED 
someone DCed apparently
someone from env dc'd
rage quit? 
Rage quit LUL
LUL
LOL
Envision no sub LUL
Must be because of DF
So a lot of teams seem to be really stupid about this Doomfist thing and I don't get why
The counter to Doomfist seems pretty clear. Just play Doomfist better
The only counter to OP strategies is to play the OP strategy
but a lot of teams still seem reluctant to play the Doomfist, even though he's had pretty universally good results
They are not used to him probably
JEEZUS AKM
another doom lol
well so far it doesn't look like Rogue is going to pull a Lunatic Hai
rip
McGravy throwing to save himself 
lol
Shit camera
wait what
NICE
how did Envision win that

Even with the double kill pulse bomb
The clutch bomb
I think the bomb got some important players and the reinforcement came back very quickly
gotta say it's nice to see some Gongo
he kind of fell out of fashion for a while, or maybe I just didn't watch the games where I saw more of him
He is a lucio
that was a weird trance
not sure it was necessary in a 6v4, but even if it was, felt like it wasn't at the center of the fight
WOAH
The casters dont even csre
GODDAMMIT
Wtf
Ffs
That probably got them the game
this is so fucking stupid
That was clutch as fuck
Spectating goddamn nothing while the play of the round happens
Soon pulls a 3k out of nowhere and we see none of it
That was a lousy ult usage
Rogue wasted blade and visor
Yeah
CMON ENVISION
upset boys
The trans saved them
let's do it
MAKE ME PROUD

pharmercy v pharmercy eww
what
Tseimi won the Pharah v Pharah duel
but we're not allowed to see that because camera
Shit camera
Envision's doing a good job stalling this out, if not winning the fight
ignoring all the pharah action
A probably underrated effect of this Pharmercy combo is scaring Soon into cover
Envision is getting it



