esports-discussion

[wary falcon]

280

[toxic yacht]

like, two headshots kill half the cast

[solid spear]

McCree is weird but I'd wait to see before changing him much

[wintry matrix]

yeah, but lots can happen before he HS twice

[toxic yacht]

actually, 2 headshots kill everyone

except tanks

[wintry matrix]

like, cree only works i that situation

it's like, miss and you're fucked bc he can't do anything else

i'm not saying he needs to be super mobile, just make him do more different things

[solid spear]

76 kit is a lot better so its hard to say if deathball would even bring McCree back but I'd rather wait it out

[toxic yacht]

I don't like generalists

[wintry matrix]

76 is safer, so he'll still be more used overall

[toxic yacht]

like, 76 is too much of a generalist

[solid spear]

McCree got a lot less play even during tanks...yes 76 had 5% more damage but still

[toxic yacht]

taking mccree

and making him one too

is a bit eh

[wintry matrix]

not saying to put him in a generalist

[solid spear]

I don't want him to be 76

[toxic yacht]

also, 76 was flat out the stronger pick during the tank meta

[wintry matrix]

just make him do more than just DMG and HS

[toxic yacht]

nanovisor

• shieldbreak

just put him above mccree

[solid spear]

He was better

[toxic yacht]

also, he could run away

from dva

and still can

back then it was harder to run away

[solid spear]

I'm just saying there's no guarantee deathball brings him back either

[toxic yacht]

I'm pretty confident in the fact that it will

like, misfits

[solid spear]

But Id still wait

[toxic yacht]

has already been scrimming

with double hitcsan

[wintry matrix]

he can't run away

roll is so short

[toxic yacht]

and they pushed the payload to almost the end of kings row

while c9

[wintry matrix]

it will be seconds at most

[toxic yacht]

was running a dive

[solid spear]

I mean a few teams are scrimming with rein too even though a lot of pros still think hes shit

Scrimming is experimentation

[toxic yacht]

also, KR

KR has always been a good deathball map anyway

so these buffs probably made it actualyl viable on that map

can't speak for others though

also, if zarya ends up being a decent pick it'll most likely result in more mccree again

[solid spear]

I know Jake was talking about how he thinks Rein won't be good unless Hog comes back but who knows gotta wait for this DF stuff to evolve and see how it shakes things up

[toxic yacht]

according to reign DF is treated as hog in scrims

[solid spear]

And Sojum I agree with not touching McCree

Just that it's possible that down the line

[toxic yacht]

I like his 2 buffs, but yeah, pls no touch

for now

[solid spear]

You may still have to

[toxic yacht]

although

the flashbang

feels pretty bullshitty vs blink

like, I blink

30 ms ping

I'm halfway towards the other point on my end

then I suddenly teleport back

and get headshot

[solid spear]

Eh it works the other way sometimes too

It's wonky

[toxic yacht]

feels a bit bullshitty

but yeah, new fb is wonky

I just feel much less comfortable baiting flashbang now tbh

which is good, I guess

[wintry matrix]

flashbang is very dingy

[toxic yacht]

but I don't really want tracer counters to be buffed due to bullshit

if you buff tracer counters make it actually feel solid

but yeah, new FB is wonky

on both ends

[solid spear]

McCree vs Tracer/Genji is still even, even though hes in theory supposed to counter them

[toxic yacht]

tracer still has the upper hand I'd say

genji vs cree is pretty even though

it's how counters should work imo

[solid spear]

McCree doesn't really counter anything except Pharah and even then lul

[toxic yacht]

like, mccree has flashbang

which is pretty much a death sentence

and he can 2 or 3 shot genji

[wintry matrix]

isn't rare that a genji dive alone?

[toxic yacht]

while genji must hit him like a madman

so it's a skill matchup

[wintry matrix]

like, you can flashbang one, but the other will kill you

[toxic yacht]

also, current meta

[solid spear]

I mean that's why McCree is bad Alluid

[toxic yacht]

back in ye olden days

[solid spear]

He gets overwhelmed

[toxic yacht]

when there were 2 rectangles

[wintry matrix]

that's why i say he needs more utility

[solid spear]

He cant run away

[toxic yacht]

or one rectangle

[solid spear]

Or heal himself

[wintry matrix]

like, 76 can run way

Reaper can run

[toxic yacht]

and a zarya

he'd just kill genji

like, if we had 2 rectangles every match then cree wouldn't be running away from anything

techincally

[wintry matrix]

if mcree is supposed to be a glass cannon he isn't very worth of the risk

[toxic yacht]

and he'd have the space

[solid spear]

And 76 has better range so he can be even safer

[toxic yacht]

technically

[solid spear]

In where he positions himself

[toxic yacht]

and honestly, I say that cree is flat out better than 76 once you get space

like, when you don't have 4 heroes diving you at once

every 2 seconds

[wintry matrix]

tbh that's kinda saying he is good in his ideal situations

[toxic yacht]

you can 2 dink every hero

[wintry matrix]

which you can say about every hero

[toxic yacht]

well, his ideal situation

is just very uncommon right now

if we moved away from dive

there'd be much more "ideal situations"

theoretically

[solid spear]

I still think 76/McCree balance is off but I'd rather wait than break a hero

[toxic yacht]

I think the balance is fine

we actually even saw some double hitscan

in the tank meta

[wintry matrix]

NV used it against rogue i think too

[toxic yacht]

mccree just completely died in dive

nV ran that, yee

[wintry matrix]

and it worked a bit

[toxic yacht]

a bunch of korean teams also ran it

since they love their mccree

iirc EU did it too

it's really just NA that hated McCree with a passion

except your name is grimreality

[solid spear]

Not even double hitscan

Like

McCree and genji shit

[toxic yacht]

ya

[solid spear]

Misfits did that when they lost to dignitas at PIT

[toxic yacht]

that combined with the fact that the entire meta has been horrible for mccree is why I believe that their both balanced

misfits was so flexible that they had no idea what to run

lul

one map it's nevix on genji and tviq on cree

[solid spear]

NA also ran as much McCree as EU

[toxic yacht]

next map it's the other way around

[solid spear]

It was only KR that ran it more

More being 10% instead of like 3% But still much more

[toxic yacht]

EU definitely ran it more than NA, but it wasn't very much

not much more

[solid spear]

There were times NA ran it more than even EU

[wintry matrix]

so mcree is a hero niche?

[toxic yacht]

KR was pretty unique with their cree spamming

also, LW Blue

electric cowboy

[wintry matrix]

except that a lot of the game's history has been in his niche?

[solid spear]

EU was running more Tracer than anyone

[wintry matrix]

like symmetra would be if the game was all closed spaces

[toxic yacht]

I wouldn't call him niche

but definitely

more niche than 76

76 is a generalist by design

[solid spear]

They were playing 90%+ Tracer while the hero was a 70-80% pickrate hero

[toxic yacht]

which is showcased by how he fits into every style of comp

Cree is more of a stricter 2-2-2 hero

2-2-2 deatball

[wintry matrix]

you can compare him to genji too which fits in lots of comps

[toxic yacht]

like, triple tank you'd pick 76, dive you'd pick 76

[wintry matrix]

but genji ain't generalist

[solid spear]

I think 76 is a well designed hero but I know people complain about turning every hero into 76 lite

[toxic yacht]

well

genji is a pretty fucking deep hero

you can play him

in like

tons of styles

[solid spear]

Like they did with Bastion

[toxic yacht]

which is why he can theoretically fit into any comp

[wintry matrix]

well, bastion still has his niche

[toxic yacht]

he isn't very limited by design

[solid spear]

Hes worse at it

[wintry matrix]

i'd say his rework did more good than bad

with the ironclad buff

[solid spear]

Cuz they took away headshots and made him wanna be 76 in recon

[wintry matrix]

tho i'd like that his weapon stayed the same

[toxic yacht]

I mean, recon was useless before

lol

[wintry matrix]

tbh, what would you do with recon?

[toxic yacht]

I see nothing wrong with a wannabe 76 recon

at least it's actually usable now

[wintry matrix]

they want recon to kill too, but not enough that you'd prefer over turret

my wish was that recon was a pacifist mode with high mobility so bastion could escape/setup better

[toxic yacht]

I dunno, I very much like the idea of bastion being an all in hero

he's also cancerous af to play against

[wary falcon]

Bastion strength was his turret form

his unique ability

now we have 2 shitty forms for no reason

[toxic yacht]

making him more self sufficient seems like a surefire way to make me hate the game even more

[wintry matrix]

i don't think so

firts bc there's the time you transform from turret to recon

he loses ironclad in recon

[solid spear]

I'd rather Bastion turret wasn't nerfed

[wintry matrix]

so it wouldn't be a easy escape

[solid spear]

Even if it meant recon was ass

[toxic yacht]

I dunno

dive shits on bastion

[solid spear]

Like you shouldn't be using the hero for that

[toxic yacht]

and sombra is there in every map

which shits on him even more

[solid spear]

Hed get shit by that regardless

[toxic yacht]

he's been occasionally used with success

like denmark

lul

which was entertaining as shit

[wintry matrix]

i don't like the idea of a playstyle being useless

[solid spear]

Not because he's running around pretending to be 76

Like you're still using the hero for turret

It's just worse

[toxic yacht]

eh, he deletes barriers

more than before

[solid spear]

He has to reload less but the clip was big af

[toxic yacht]

which technically makes him better in an el-presidente setup

[solid spear]

And he doesn't shred tanks as fast

[toxic yacht]

123 also ran bastion, btw

it's just that he's mega niche and in a meta that shits on him

[solid spear]

I mean I like the heal changes and faster transformation and ironclad or whatever

[toxic yacht]

I'd wait a bit more before I declare turret useless

[solid spear]

I wish they just did that

[toxic yacht]

it's not necessarily worse, just different

[solid spear]

And didn't intentionally take power from his niche and give it to recon

[clever portal]

https://twitter.com/YourOverwatchYT/status/898550005836984320

Your Overwatch (@YourOverwatchYT)

People that think Doomfist is OP are the same that think pharah/mercy is, you gotta learn to play against it, not cry out for nerfs!

Likes

173

Twitter

[wary falcon]

😂

[solid spear]

https://twitter.com/YourOverwatchYT/status/898550219499085825

Your Overwatch (@YourOverwatchYT)

He is VERY easily counter-able, probably has the most counters of any hero -w

Twitter

More counters than bastion

[clever wagon]

Lh coach previously said that they usually prepare a match for 2 weeks with the 6 players he decided beforehand and that if things go wrong during the match he's still not gonna swap the players he picked at the start.

[solid spear]

Then again this is the same person that recommended Soon and Dafran for team USA

[bitter remnant]

people mentioned mcree, at scrub tier I find him really fun because I can left click on people. But yeah, we see less at the high levels because coordinated dives wrek him

I guess in an ideal meta you have multiple comps that are all viable, interestingly I don't think dive is the only viable comp rn, its just kinda the best.

[toxic yacht]

YourOverwach is plat or low diamond

never forget

[clever wagon]

Mercedes Main | Oreo ❤

https://twitter.com/YourOverwatchYT/status/898550005836984320

Aug 18, 2017, 4:17 PM

[bitter remnant]

Like you get the new bayblade comp with reaper + sombra (aka Talon comp) which I think we could see more of with the new zarya changes. Some teams are experimenting with Reinhardt again too, so that's exciting at least.

[clever wagon]

So a single hero is OP in the same way as a duo that's decently counterable with double hitscan or hitscan+Discord

What do you do when that single hero is combo'd with Pharmercy then? Thonk

[toxic yacht]

even then it's hard to counter pharmercy, lul

[bitter remnant]

oh and yeah, the pharmercy varient of dive is a thing, but its still kinda dive at heart since it still runs winston

[toxic yacht]

it's like, if the phermercy knows what it's doing you need like, 3 people

to kill it

with the entire team spamming

[clever wagon]

I mean if it's only Pharmercy I doubt LH would look that shabby

[toxic yacht]

although the spam may just feed rez

[clever wagon]

But it was Doomfist + Pharmercy at some points wasn't it?

[toxic yacht]

like, rogue

which has fucking aKm

has a hard time dealing with pharmercy

and aKm is a guy who literally shoots through mercy's heals

[bitter remnant]

yeah at times they ran Pharmercy + DF

which was a really killer combo

[clever wagon]

So now you got a duo and a single fucking hero in which both needs at least resources worth of 2 heroes to deal with

[toxic yacht]

tbh people acting like pharmercy is just something which only scrubs can't deal with tilts me

[bitter remnant]

although honestly I think the Pharmercy put more work in the DF, its just that DF consitently got picks on Ana and was very flashy

[solid spear]

I mean it's not like Pharmercy is shit at pro level it's just more map dependant

But it gets work in

[toxic yacht]

at pro level their team also actually helps them

[solid spear]

There's some teams like CLG and arc6 that ran it a shit ton

[toxic yacht]

and even then they get rekt

lul

[clever wagon]

All I'm saying is LH probably wouldn't look that bad if it's Pharmercy only and another standard DPS

[solid spear]

It's good

[bitter remnant]

no, they didn't run doom throughout

[clever wagon]

'Cause esp EscA's Sombra can still manage hack cooldowns better

[bitter remnant]

and still did some really good CP maps with pharmercy without doomfist, also anubis

[solid spear]

I mean even though I hate DF I wouldn't change a ton about him

[clever wagon]

But motherfucking Doomfist can use rocket punch twice while Sombra's hack is still in cooldown, and he still has 2 other mobile kits

And no other hero can CC him reliably

[solid spear]

CD shouldn't be 4 seconds and hitbox is too big thats really it

[clever wagon]

"That's really it" is proving to be a fucking huge bust though

It's not how many things are broken about him, it's how even just those 2 things makes him busted hard

And screw you, YourOverwatch

Cancer

[supple nymph]

@clever wagon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWM4YFQcmbA

[clever wagon]

tl;dw

later

[supple nymph]

stylosa got thousands of emails from people who say they are done with competitive

[toxic yacht]

I mean

I'm not touching S6

lol

[bitter remnant]

I think you should keep cool down as it is, but decrease its range and therefore mobility. So he remains the best close range + enclosed space fighter but is far more easily kited and can't gap close as much. Which would give him a healthy niche imo

[toxic yacht]

I quit OW for two weeks, started comp again and remembered why I stopped

7 games today, 2 wins, 1 legit loss, 2 times leavers, 2 times a 4 dps/outright thrower game, it was kinda mixed between them

[bitter remnant]

Oh and hitbox obviously, so people can actually sidestep it without being tracer.

[toxic yacht]

I'll just get back up above diamond, decay again and then not touch comp for the rest of I don't know how fuckin long

[wintry matrix]

i think it should be 5-6 secs the punch

[bitter remnant]

You could have cool down linked to whether or not he lands the the punch, potentially

[wintry matrix]

nah, bc it's easy to hit

besides that you can hit with one charge

it's not like hog which the hook could pull away one hero to face potentially 6, while the punch launches DF against the 6

[bitter remnant]

I was thinking more that cool down was longer if you hit. Or have cool down linked to charge.

[wintry matrix]

oh

could be interesting

[bitter remnant]

I mean I wouldn't change cd like I said earlier., but if you did that's what I would do.

So it's more of a mobility option and if you try kill with it you pay a higher use cost.

[clever wagon]

I'm just gonna try to break into Diamond and fuck all

[solid spear]

I'm content with bronze

[supple nymph]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6uj4p1/doing_a_bottle_flip_in_overwatch/

LMAO

[wary falcon]

I'm content with bronze

pls it's chat for high sr 2499+

[wintry matrix]

that's better content than 80% of cow

actually 97%

[blazing parrot]

DRAMA BTW

HE SAID HE SAID THAT

[uncut ridge]

97% are less than 2499sr?

[wary falcon]

he replied to Ford's link about bottle flipping

(i guess)

[carmine ermine]

Would anyone here be a fan of participating in a fantasy league for the groups stage of contenders s1? I need some help testing it

I'll give that a try, thanks

[solid spear]

@carmine ermine ignore that Im dumb I misread

you said fantasy league lol

[carmine ermine]

Well offer still stands then

[clever portal]

Invite

[toxic yacht]

I will clone TviQ 5 times and make the best team in OW

[carmine ermine]

I'm looking for 3ish just to refine my system and smooth things out

interested?

[clever portal]

Yeah. add me

[carmine ermine]

the draft would have to be tonight becaus eit starts tomorrow

[wary falcon]

what is fantasy league? choose player and then earn points based on his perfomance?

if yes i don't see how you can rate individual perfomance and winston's lab is

[solid spear]

I dont mind helping you out

I can join it

[clever portal]

Competitive mode correctly assesses performance

Should I invite you Oreo?

[carmine ermine]

I use winston lab to pull stats and then I calculate points from that

@solid spear I invited you

[clever portal]

Do you use their rating

Or calculate your own

[carmine ermine]

Their numbers but my calculations. I would use different stats but Blizzard doesn't make them available

i have my spreadsheet available on the discord server so you can check out how the points are calculated

[wary falcon]

invite me

to this discord server

[thick cosmos]

i can try it too

[hollow egret]

aye so happy that LH is gonna be Overwatch League team

[toxic yacht]

Then they lose vs Yikes because they can't against Pharmercy and Danteh picked up DF

[clever portal]

[toxic yacht]

[clever portal]

Time to make a roster

[solid spear]

Team Seoul isnt winning OWL S1 anyway cap it

[toxic yacht]

MVP space gonna sweep apex bois

[solid spear]

Seeing LH lose

[toxic yacht]

Just because they're Korean fucking racist smh

[balmy wolf]

how funny would it be if somehow LH flunk out of this group stage and then chose to be Seoul roster?

🤔

[wintry matrix]

tbh they cold go 0-3 that they still had enough rep to be picked

we all know they had little time to prepare bc of WC and Apex s3 final being not long ago

tho LTJ performance still worries if he's supposed to be on the team

[balmy wolf]

it reminded me when during APEX S2

people were theorized that would have beat if they has Dean and LTJ

so so far that theory has some weight after what happened today

they will get pick up, no doubt. Their brand name and rep is too much to pass

but it is not a good omen when your shiny new roster get shat on before it got signed

[wintry matrix]

nah

[clever portal]

So, anyone have a good NA contenders dream team 👀

[wintry matrix]

like i said, they can go 0-3 that they still are going to be considered a good team

[clever portal]

Oreo/Jackie/tlm close your eyes

[wintry matrix]

although i guess you have to wonder how they'll deal with DF

and who'll play

[balmy wolf]

they are in kind of a pick your poison situation

historically doesn't have a true strong hitscan

Esca has a really good McCree but good luck running him this climate

meanwhile the other two Gido, LTJ and WhoRU does not play any hitscan outside of Tracer

they can theoritically run Zarya to combat Doomfist

but it would leave them really vulnerable to Pharmercy

since you know, no hitscan and damage mitigation

took advantage of that whole sale during the series imo.

[hollow egret]

when does Overwatch Contenders Season 1 strt

start*

[wary falcon]

tomorrow

[clever portal]

[hollow egret]

open qualifiers or nah

[balmy wolf]

There's no qualifiers

All the teams were decided in S0

[hollow egret]

ya makes sense

[thick cosmos]

nah, top 8 from s0 for eu, top 6 from na + envyus and rogue

[hollow egret]

k

[wintry matrix]

how's esca and gido 76?

[balmy wolf]

Esca visored while the whole team losing the teamfight and proceed to die by Winston

[toxic yacht]

funnily enough, I'm discussing LH with TviQ rn

basically, he said that it doesn't really matter who plays 76

it's more about knowing what exactly your role is

which is why they went with esca and tajun, according to him

[balmy wolf]

and both of them doesn't really play with their role tbh

everytime i see Esca's 76 i cringed a little

@toxic yacht in his discord?

[toxic yacht]

ya

[balmy wolf]

i been to his discord for a while and found no discussion lol

mostly just TviqPrivet spamming

[toxic yacht]

it's alive again

[balmy wolf]

invite me then lul

[toxic yacht]

I forgot where I got the invite from

[balmy wolf]

what its just tviq

[toxic yacht]

really?

lul

[balmy wolf]

i mean to say if

but you can just make an invite

its not blocked

[rapid oxide]

@wintry matrix cow turned very good now bte

[toxic yacht]

it got better, ye

I still find the community annoying, but the post quality improved

[solid spear]

I hate everyone

[toxic yacht]

I love you <3

[balmy wolf]

all the r/cow DAE OW DEAD posters seems to went under bunker

Or seem to have never existed at all

can't call the game dead or won't have top tier competitive players anymore now that and is confirmed to be in

[wintry matrix]

i still find cow 97% shit

[balmy wolf]

80/20 rules

[wintry matrix]

from annoying drama posts, to bullshit like "DAE blissard balance for normies REEEEEEE"

circlejerk, hivemind etc.

[wary falcon]

Cow was good when it was small community

[balmy wolf]

it is the inevitable cycle of every community

[rapid oxide]

never existed?

lol

[clever portal]

I mean most discords are emote spamming

Very few have discussion

They've only played the group stages

Playoffs are in Blizzcon

[pine star]

Yeah

Blizzcon

November I think

They played insanely well

[clever portal]

China
France
Sweden
Australia
South Korea
Canada
United States
United Kingdom

Are who's playing in Blizzcon

[supple nymph]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/6u8ny3/announcing_the_roverwatch_lucioball_tournament/

feels r/overwatch man

guess they never heard of noukky's

[balmy wolf]

This one was made before Noukky's

There was just no post on the subreddit because the mods didnt want it stickied for so long

[supple nymph]

where? somewhere on discord?

[balmy wolf]

I believe it was posted in multiple channels

Im not really a part of it

[supple nymph]

ok? still seems dumb

whatever

[clever portal]

They cater to different players

I'm assuming this is for casuals

Noukky's will have pros and shit

[toxic yacht]

It needs more teams anyway lol

[balmy wolf]

its just a fun tournament lol

[rapid oxide]

"no endemic organization for lucioball? DAE OW DED"

[glad chasm]

Did LH end up winning 3-1 earlier? Had to go to work and couldn't catch the ending

[solid spear]

They lost 3-2

[spring lintel]

Lucio ball esport scene is dead

Thanks blizzard

[wintry matrix]

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sq4eaj

reinforce analyst contenders s1

[clever portal]

The desk was seriously lacking

So it's good

[balmy wolf]

Left Guy analyst

[supple nymph]

gotta start somewhere

not like there are significantly better choices are there

[balmy wolf]

Jkap

Uber

Hex

hello?

they probably expensive tho

[supple nymph]

hi

https://twitter.com/JKaplan/status/898708061056974848

JKaptain America (@JKaplan)

Monday at 3pm PST, Team USA will be holding an AMA over on r/Overwatch Make sure to get your questions ready!

Twitter

should be interesting

r/overwatch

[limber pine]

i patiently wait for him to inform us

you know

[supple nymph]

surprise ama is more exciting

[limber pine]

not when you're a reddit mod

[supple nymph]

[granite dawn]

anyone knows about ns2?

[clever portal]

Ns2?

[solid spear]

https://gfycat.com/UnselfishRashAmericanmarten

DF nerf

[wintry matrix]

hope it also fix the buggyness

[last lantern]

ah shit

[pine star]

Is

Is this shit real?

[solid spear]

[clever wagon]

R/ow dansgame

@limber pine inb4 "KAPLAN RELATED BrokeBack " replies included as automod filter

Also, be on the lookout for the chance that new map/gamescom reveals posts drowning it

[clever portal]

New map lul

Could be elimination or ctf

No need to be hyped

[clever wagon]

I'm not gonna be that hyped

But it's r/ow

Tell that to them

[shrewd jacinth]

man im so hyped for contenders

and OWL

[clever portal]

DansGame

[rapid oxide]

Oasis was KOTH, Horizon 2CP, Eichen was Hybrid

Junkertown will be Escort

[wary falcon]

or 3x3 elimination?

[clever portal]

The new map will be dust 2

For 6v6 elimination

[rapid oxide]

Kings Row is dust2 of Overwatch imo

[wary falcon]

eww not even close

[clever wagon]

I mean they released 2 elimination maps at once

[clever portal]

Imagine 3 maps

[clever wagon]

So if you're trying to look for a pattern...

[clever portal]

2 hybrid 1 escort

[clever wagon]

Well, they did say at the time around what was it, Oasis? They were also working on maps for the main game mode

[wary falcon]

if you're trying to look for a pattern

hog nerf when?

[wintry matrix]

it's a main mode certainly, last 4 new maps were arcade modes (not counting the altered ones for CTF and DM)

[clever portal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/341612182015836161/348442088871821313/kaiser.PNG

[solid spear]

[solid spear]

Don't play fantasy with Jackie, straight thief

[wary falcon]

Have Mangachu
Want Akm

[solid spear]

you had first pick and skipped doe

thinking aKm would last 2 full rounds 🤔

[balmy wolf]

what are we talking about

[solid spear]

fantasy...for Contenders

[balmy wolf]

what

[vestal mortar]

👀

[toxic yacht]

you weren't here yesterday

some dude said that he was doing a fantasy thing for contenders

and that he was gonna invite people to test it

fuccboi oreo, arny and jackie went for it

[balmy wolf]

what like fantasy football?

[solid spear]

why are you so mean

[vestal mortar]

Polo no bully

[balmy wolf]

what did i do

[solid spear]

not you Polo

and yeah like fantasy football

[vestal mortar]

Oh whoever is mean, no bullying allowed in e-d

[toxic yacht]

it's fine it it's oreo

[wary falcon]

I expected people will pick Shadowburn/GrimReality

Effect/Akm are obvious top1 and top2 picks for me

[solid spear]

I mean yall all spent picks on dps immediately

[wary falcon]

HarryHook is top3

because they are star players

from my experience hard carries will earn more pts than supports

[thick cosmos]

I put effect, soon and taimou as top 3

on my list

[clever portal]

How did it go

[solid spear]

Kestler threw, spent your first pick on Mykl

[toxic yacht]

kestler is there too?

lol

[balmy wolf]

who the hell would pick mykL first

my god

[forest raven]

For the memes

[solid spear]

he didnt actually im meming

[vestal mortar]

Nice meme

[balmy wolf]

picking Mykl first is the equivalent of picking Blake Bortles as your first pick in NFL

for the EU guys, basically picking one of the worst shotcaller in the game as your first pick.

[solid spear]

struggling to beat out Chad Henne for the starting job smh

[balmy wolf]

he was a third best in one of the worse QB class of recent memory

[wary falcon]

I picked MyKL

[solid spear]

eh in hindsight Carr is a better player than he was a prospect, Manziel was worse and Teddy is going to be out for a second straight season

[wary falcon]

MyKL was last tank available except EnVision players

so between bad player and unknown player i chose MyKL

[balmy wolf]

FWIW

[clever portal]

Mykl is not a tank

[balmy wolf]

i know a tier 2 player bodied Mykl during scrim

so you know

[clever portal]

You guys let Jackie choose Mykl as tank 👀

[toxic yacht]

as surefour said, Kungarna keep mykl as a handicap

[solid spear]

I wasnt paying attention lul

[wary falcon]

he was in tank section lul

[solid spear]

wait Jackie can put Mykl as tank but I cant put Zach as offtank even though he plays more D.Va than Mykl

[wary falcon]

i have d.va main as dps

[clever portal]

Has Mykl even play tank

I guess he could in theory play Zarya

But Bischu is the flex

[solid spear]

he used to play D.Va

[toxic yacht]

his ego is so big that he's effectively a tank

[pine star]

He can tank on Tracer

[solid spear]

I mean

[pine star]

Next level stuff

[wary falcon]

well MyKL is still listed in tank category

[solid spear]

Bischu probs isnt playing in all of contenders

[wary falcon]

i just played 4d chess

[solid spear]

so he will probably have to tank at some point

granted he has Mangachu at dps and hes a D.Va main

[wary falcon]

Effect, Mangachu, Mickie, MyKL, HarryHook, Joemeister

my dreamteam

[clever portal]

[balmy wolf]

dafuck is that fucking draft pick

[pine star]

[wary falcon]

he just stole all picks from me

RRREEEEEEEEEEE

[balmy wolf]

I swear if i'm more interested over fantasy esport i'd just go in and make my picks

REEEE

[clever portal]

AKM + Tseini
Muma + coolmatt69
Kariv + fire

[balmy wolf]

Tseini?

Wut?

wew thats a team

[wary falcon]

hey boi

want to change your Akm for my Mangachu

?

[solid spear]

complaining about people stealing your picks when youhad first pick

[balmy wolf]

*trade

[solid spear]

[balmy wolf]

lol trading AKM for Mangachu

[wary falcon]

i wish i had 2 picks

[balmy wolf]

reign correcting people on grammar and spelling xd

[thick cosmos]

I got SoOn, Taimou, KnoxXx, Primodulce, winz and bani

[clever portal]

tlm quietly got 3 Rogue players

[balmy wolf]

Who would be lucio knoxxx or winz

[toxic yacht]

both

[wary falcon]

in terms of fantasy league?

[toxic yacht]

double lucio

[solid spear]

I think they said Kolsti counts as Winz week 1

[balmy wolf]

in terms of that guys team

@balmy wolf a Vietnamese correcting a Russian's English. Nothing wrong there.

its a joke

because your grammar and spelling is even worse

[wary falcon]

Kolsti will be a tank while Knoxx lucio

I guess?

[balmy wolf]

So was I................................and i'm aware of that...............

I wasnt asking about contenders

Im talking about tlms team

read the sarcasm a bit harder.

[thick cosmos]

winz as lucio knoxx as tank

[wary falcon]

but i'm talking about his team

because we don't have special rule yet

[solid spear]

Polo Im pretty sure Kolsti just counts as Winz week 1

[balmy wolf]

[wary falcon]

about Kolsti/Knox/Winz situation

Anyways i have my HarryHook and Effect

two most valuable fantasy players

[balmy wolf]

I already know whats going on with rogue you idiots

[toxic yacht]

lol

[solid spear]

Im talking about his fantasy

[wary falcon]

we are talking about fantasy situation

about this 3 players

[balmy wolf]

okay im done

[wary falcon]

and their points

[solid spear]

lul

[thick cosmos]

got 2 immortals player on bench too since they are playing envy week 1

[clever portal]

New draft each week?

[solid spear]

no

[wary falcon]

nope

[clever portal]

Or we choose a roster from our players

[thick cosmos]

Choose a roster from our players for each week

[wary falcon]

have a bunch of EnVision guys

[W] Akm

[balmy wolf]

envision

wut

[wary falcon]

Tseini's team

[clever portal]

Bought their way into contenders

[wary falcon]

Tseini was your 2nd pick

[solid spear]

little over 2 hours til Misfits v C9

[balmy wolf]

i need to fix my car first

FeelsbadMam

[solid spear]

rip

[balmy wolf]

@limber pine can we get a thread on Contenders?

[clever portal]

Kestler must like envision

Or it's a pocket pick

[balmy wolf]

probably will get bodied

[clever portal]

Just realized they play Rogue week 1

Kestler set me up to fail

[wary falcon]

all according to keikaku

[solid spear]

I bribed Kestler

[balmy wolf]

@wary falcon how's the odd this week's contender

[clever portal]

Jackie probably chose a team based on the odds

[wary falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/335070161839194113/348479871502254101/unknown.png

so Rogue and eUnited are huge favorites

but Overwatch - Contenders - No Parlay bets currently available

[balmy wolf]

lol Envision 7.1

[wary falcon]

EnvyUs has 1.751 this is huge

[balmy wolf]

could make some money with

and

[wary falcon]

no parlay bets

[clever portal]

Implying Misfits will win

[wary falcon]

so i can't win much from Rogue and Eunited

anyways i won't bet this week

skipping 😦

[balmy wolf]

and always a toss up

they keep trading wins against each other

[wary falcon]

nV has 1.751 mostly because of Agilities

he is overhyped rn

[balmy wolf]

vs is basically the old king vs the new usurper

[forest raven]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6uphzr/zunba_briefly_explains_about_their_match_against/

[solid spear]

well like he said DF been nerfed somewhat in PTR so theres that

[balmy wolf]

yeah but that patch is going to be for fucking playoff tho

so if Runaway and Meta Athena spam Doomfist against and abuse the shit out of it

it is time to prepare the candle for them

nobody really win twice in OW tho. Maybe just the universe righted itself.

old crashed after Atlantic Showdown and APAC Premier

old also crashed after Dreamhack Winter

also has period of slump after the MLG Vegas and APEX S1 win

[solid spear]

yeah either way they have to adjust to broken DF

[supple nymph]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/6um135/doomfist_hitbox_live_vs_ptr/

gotta wonder if they left it that way intentionally for release

[wary falcon]

i hope they will decrease reflect's hitbox

[shrewd jacinth]

you niggas ready for match 1

[solid spear]

yeah nigga

[pine star]

Bruh

[solid spear]

wha

[pine star]

??

[solid spear]

??

[pine star]

????

[solid spear]

?????

[pine star]

You're trash

[solid spear]

I love you too

[vestal mortar]

👀

[pine star]

[wary falcon]

ez for misfits

[solid spear]

Cwoosh gonna carry Misfits

make em relevant again

[wary falcon]

he will create space for Tviq mccree

[solid spear]

Cwoosh and Logix gonna carry Tviq

3-1 Movistar

[pine star]

[sturdy granite]

W E B A C C B O I S

[wintry kraken]

overwatch coin tenders 😛

[supple nymph]

3

2

1

[wintry kraken]

your timer is not same as my timer

[supple nymph]

what's yours

[wintry kraken]

you are 3 seconds ahead of me

[sturdy granite]

P R O D U C T I O N

[balmy wolf]

Reinforce!

[wintry kraken]

some weird sounds with no graphical effect

[pine star]

"Former pro player"

[balmy wolf]

6K viewers

[sturdy granite]

We were at 2k like 10 minutes ago, I think we might get over 25 today

[solid spear]

It just started and EU gets less viewers to be fair

[hallow fable]

yeah, its being promoted in the launcher, i expect it to go up quite a bit.

[sturdy granite]

It is? Hell yea

[balmy wolf]

Contenders Europe

[hallow fable]

season 1 na, lul

[wary falcon]

Wondering if Valve will do something about OW scene
They hired Day9 to attract HS and SC viewers

🤔

[balmy wolf]

Background said Contenders NA

[wary falcon]

Soe as Major host

[supple nymph]

soe

[sturdy granite]

Mirror comps

[balmy wolf]

OHHHH

[hallow fable]

yum, dive.

[balmy wolf]

PROFESSIONAL ONLINE TOURNAMENT REALMS

note the Platinum border

[wary falcon]

Kyb tracer? LOL

[hallow fable]

ohh wow, your right, that boarder is weird

[wary falcon]

they said Logix has fastest ult charge on tracer?

[toxic yacht]

my dad

tviq

flexing again

🙏

doing god's work on genji

[vestal mortar]

👌

[balmy wolf]

Tviq Genji

[wary falcon]

Don't know why Kyb is not on Genji

[balmy wolf]

https://puu.sh/xeco0/e088f9b58a.png

[toxic yacht]

another sword

[solid spear]

Logix and Cwoosh

[vestal mortar]

Tviq Doomfist

[solid spear]

McCree my meat

[sturdy granite]

Tviq

[supple nymph]

TVFISTIQ

[solid spear]

Cwoosh a god

[balmy wolf]

not BO5 KOTH?

🤔

also, the background changed to Europe lol

[supple nymph]

is that a greenscreen

[balmy wolf]

no

physical backdrop

[sturdy granite]

Volskaya ResidentSleeper

[burnt nimbus]

Would you rather Hanamura?

[hallow fable]

wrong sides?

[balmy wolf]

wrong map

NA production

[hallow fable]

lol

yeah, so far world cup had far better production.

and that wsent perfect

[burnt nimbus]

Eichenwalde is Assault 🤔

[polar elk]

🤔

[hallow fable]

today it is!

[solid spear]

https://twitter.com/unitlostgaming/status/898956220723277825

Stylosa (@unitlostgaming)

ROLL UP ROLL UP! #Overwatch Season 1 Contenders is on! https://t.co/cbhspG0oEA https://t.co/gTgTw8z8WP

Twitter

Thank you Sty bring your fans

[sturdy granite]

That's better

That was brutal

[wintry kraken]

c9 is going for c9 ?

[sturdy granite]

Idk, the name must be cursed

[balmy wolf]

Tviq on Sombra?

wut

[sturdy granite]

Good lord NEVIX

[versed sinew]

hes on s76

[balmy wolf]

Tviq running away from his team lol

[toxic yacht]

you know

[balmy wolf]

instead of running into the Trans

[toxic yacht]

now the people who said that nevix sux

can finally be shut up

[balmy wolf]

C9

continuing the legacy of the old roster

hyped as shit but couldn't do shit.

different region, same shit

[wintry matrix]

was LK hyped?

they've always been this low-tier 1 solid team

[balmy wolf]

certainly hyped enough

[supple nymph]

they would have been better off keeping their NA roster instead

[wintry matrix]

then again they always been equal with Misfits, losing here, winning there etc.

[balmy wolf]

Tviq not skipping arms day

lolz

[wintry matrix]

i'm still of the opinion that C9 and LK were equals in terms of results

[balmy wolf]

even with Munchkin and Claris

LK wasn't particularly a strong roster

[versed sinew]

this is bullying

[wintry matrix]

LOGIX

[wary falcon]

Don't know how can you call LK tier-1

[wintry kraken]

logix tripple as usual

[solid spear]

This team is better than old C9

[sturdy granite]

SOMEBODY STOP THIS MAN

[balmy wolf]

mind you, did advertise for a full KR roster so this might be just a stop gap

🤔

[wintry kraken]

logix was doing this in season 0 too

[wintry matrix]

well, LK were only really below Eunited in EU

[wintry kraken]

dual kill pulse bomb was subpar

[supple nymph]

LOL

[wary falcon]

and Movistar Raiders

[balmy wolf]

can't say you are tier 1 when you haven't went to a LAN yet

and LK haven't been to a LAN

[solid spear]

Lol what LANs

[wary falcon]

if you are tier-1 than you should have ability to win tier-1 cups

tier-1 cups
EU

[solid spear]

Besides TakeOver

[wary falcon]

and there was huge gap between LK and EUNITED

[solid spear]

C9 will make LAN contenders

[balmy wolf]

unfortunate, but that's the reality. All tier 1 teams are LAN veterans.

[wary falcon]

you can't really put them on the same level, can you?

[sturdy granite]

NA

[wintry matrix]

i'm just saying in terms of best EU teams:

1 - Eunited, 2 - LK/Misfits

[wary falcon]

Movistar?

[wintry matrix]

Movi could be, but at their end they were in a little slump

had they survived, maybe

[wary falcon]

Still better than LK

[wintry matrix]

same goes for ex-cyclone

at their best Movi was def better

[wary falcon]

it's better to sort teams: korean, western and pacific region

[wintry matrix]

i dunno, it's so rare EU plays NA

[wary falcon]

EU just don't have environment to improve

[wintry matrix]

now's the time

[wary falcon]

so EU was Eunited

then huge gap

Riders

then others

[solid spear]

This says more to me that Misfits is really strong than C9 suddenly sucking

[wary falcon]

even promising rosters were meh

[wintry matrix]

today you have rising teams like 123 (albeit poached) and Singularity

[balmy wolf]

Cwoosh actually doing really well as the Winston

as funny as that sounds

[wintry matrix]

nothing stops from C9 winning later

the best he could've hoped

[sturdy granite]

Yeah, I think Misfits are back in shape

[solid spear]

Obviously Cwoosh is good lol

Hes a beast

[balmy wolf]

https://puu.sh/xedsa/6ea289839b.png

continues their legacy

[naive plover]

didnt LK look really strong before?

[solid spear]

Ah yes NA Cloud 9 that couldn't even get top 10 in their region

[sturdy granite]

They did, but Misfits are looking better today

[naive plover]

yah

im surprised

[solid spear]

Misfits just looks strong

[balmy wolf]

NA Audio

[wintry kraken]

Blizzard audio

[solid spear]

C9 EU would slap the other C9 squad lol

[balmy wolf]

the new guy is good at hosting

but I want Left Guy for the meme

[wintry kraken]

c9 failed at cap

[tight vault]

hello

[sturdy granite]

LUL

[wintry kraken]

yummy says d.va

[tight vault]

oh fuck i see tviq ........

[sturdy granite]

TVIQ

[balmy wolf]

Greyy "my Sombra is top tier but my EMP is always trash"

[versed sinew]

greyy just used emp

[sturdy granite]

Its ok, he has another

[versed sinew]

already 80%

:)

[balmy wolf]

Crusade with the fucking late Sound barrier

and who cares about EMP and its build rate when Greyy is shit at execute it

[versed sinew]

did that emp hit like

anyone

[balmy wolf]

it didn't matter. They lost 2 initially to the blade. Sound barrier and EMP came late.

btw @toxic yacht

[sturdy granite]

free tick

[balmy wolf]

APAC Premier 2017 later this year

16 teams

[wintry matrix]

it always kinda weirded me with Alicus being who he is, stuck with unknows like crems and Greyy

[solid spear]

They're not unknowns lol

[wintry matrix]

instead of like, shoving millions into other players

aren't they?

maybe not unknow, but like

[balmy wolf]

they are EU ladder stars and experienced in some smaller teams before

[wintry matrix]

not top-tier exactly

[clear raptor]

I've never liked nevix as a player either - he's kind of a big name but he never impresses me

I'd say with more resources at his disposal now alicus will do some good work

[sturdy granite]

Holy heck, the split second C9 turned towards Logix, the entire Misfits squad barreled into them

[wary falcon]

Greyy is crazy good player in ranked

:^)

[balmy wolf]

Tviq feelsbadman

that blade

[wary falcon]

just didn't have really chance to show himself on big scene

[balmy wolf]

should have hold it

[wary falcon]

like Matth and Danye

they are all top-100 eu

[wintry matrix]

i'm kinda conflicted if Misfits turns sucessful, bc the way the player-based leadership looks irks me a bit

[clear raptor]

What do you mean?

[wintry matrix]

as in not having a coach

benching reinforce

[clear raptor]

Eh

He was a weak spot imo

[toxic yacht]

my dad

carrying

[solid spear]

Sojum

Cwoosh and Logix

[balmy wolf]

Tviq blading an invisible Sombra

@wintry matrix they got Mineral now as coach tho

and also

Cwoosh actually make decent space as Winston

[sturdy granite]

M A K I N G S P A C E

[solid spear]

[wary falcon]

https://www.overbuff.com/blobs/1mZMbIjOiFN.jpg

[spring lintel]

What is this c9 roster?

Are they serious

[wintry matrix]

C9 bought LK

some days ago

[solid spear]

People thinking old C9 better than LK

[spring lintel]

I am not very familiar but isnt the old c9 100x better?

[wintry matrix]

they were the same

[sturdy granite]

nope

[wary falcon]

old C9 had great potential

[wintry matrix]

in theory C9 na should be btter

[sturdy granite]

close, but not better

[solid spear]

Yes old C9 that couldn't even get out of groups and finish top 10 in their region

[spring lintel]

I mean none of these guys are close to being famous

[solid spear]

Is better than a top 3 EU team

[wary falcon]

Old C9 was better on paper

[solid spear]

Lol

[tight vault]

what we talking bout here?

[wary falcon]

but LK > Old C9

[spring lintel]

Even with this performance ?

[solid spear]

Old c9 gets 4-0d here and it looks worse

[sturdy granite]

Misfits is looking really good

[tight vault]

C9 👎🏽 📉

[wary falcon]

It's more about Misfits

not C9

Misfits are crazy good

[solid spear]

Tviq/Logix is the strongest dps pair in EU

[wary falcon]

Cwoosh finally has unlimited space creating tool

[scenic bough]

@tight vault overwatch contenders on rn

[sturdy granite]

Hell, about a year ago they beat out Envyus

[solid spear]

And Zup is an improvement on flex support

[wary falcon]

Tviq/Logix

in terms of flexibility?

[tight vault]

oh fuck

tviq

[solid spear]

Just in general

[wary falcon]

Faze EU or NA?

[solid spear]

They're stronger than Vallu/Kruise imo

[wary falcon]

(i will stick with eunited)

because i'm their fangay

[balmy wolf]

Tviq and Logix is not AKM/Tviq, but it is near there

[wary falcon]

vallutaja is the most underrated eu player

he always was under radars for some reason

[solid spear]

Vallu isn't underrated

[wary falcon]

BF/OW

[spring lintel]

Btw is this the first match?

[solid spear]

Everyone acknowledges hes amazing

[thick cosmos]

Yea

[spring lintel]

Holy shit they brought it back

OMG

[toxic yacht]

what the fuck

[nova wadi]

DAMN

[wintry matrix]

LOGIX

[clear raptor]

Logix is a god

[sturdy granite]

OOOOOOOOOO

[spring lintel]

Nevix doing so much

It was the monkeys fault

[sturdy granite]

Kill Logix + Tviq = WIN