That hurt more
#esports-discussion
solid spear
toxic yacht
it's kinda how funny eUnited stomped ex-cyclone right after they poached boombox
lul
toxic yacht
also, I wouldn't know if 123 weren't as good as ex-cyclone, we saw too little of them to really judge
but they took a map off eUnited, which is more than most EU teams can say
wintry matrix
i think they had lost two players at that point no?
balmy wolf
In both Takeover and Contenders they had lost two players, yeah
I assume he's talking about one of those
probably takeover
toxic yacht
ya, they lost boombox a few weeks before takeover which forced poks to flex into zen and then mowzassa like, a few days or a week before the tournament
which forced iukee to play monkey
feelsbad
TakeOver 2 should have been their phat debut
balmy wolf
Yep
If they hadn't been poached they probably would have done really well
And been picked up
rapid oxide
toxic yacht
rapid oxide
It's something
balmy wolf
it is Tespa
not Kespa
Tespa is US collegiate
Kespa is SK esport
why do you think it says scholarship lmao
Tespa has been riding BLizzard's dick since forever
Heroes of the Dorm, Collegiate OW, etc etc
wary falcon
Heroes of the Dorm
HYPERLUL
rapid oxide
Im retarded
solid spear
Ye
rapid oxide
solid spear
We all are it's ok
balmy wolf
Sorry to break the news oreo but, that's just you
wintry matrix
and Vace
balmy wolf
No just oreo
He just thinks Miuki is because he's retarded
And sees everyone through is retarded worldview
wintry matrix
well, vace said himself, but i guess you have a point
toxic yacht
:)
balmy wolf
https://puu.sh/xbJ3o/466ce80010.png the thing you see
hallow fable
wait, contenders s1 playoff stage is an offline event?
is that offline as in LAN, or offline as in no stream?
hallow fable
That should be clarifed, not everyone knows offline means LAN...
balmy wolf
Well if you're into esports you should know
Casual viewers wouldnt be reading the website
balmy wolf
Also only the Semis and Final are Offline
wary falcon
In CS:GO offline sometimes meant - without stream, if stream or player got ddos'd
balmy wolf
Quite rarely though
wary falcon
but in OW offline = LAN
balmy wolf
And it's also used in different context
wary falcon
because of dead betting scene and there is no reason to ddos players
hallow fable
I just think theior wording is bad, if they are trying to bring in an auidence thats is unfim,ilar with esport termology
as i first read it, is why the hell wouldent they stream the playoffs.
wary falcon
i doubt beginner will watch OW esports
balmy wolf
hallow fable
well jackie, i can tell you bigginers will watch OW esports as im one of them.
wary falcon
he is the best mccree i have ever played together/against
as i know he has high sensivity
balmy wolf
well, exception isn't exactly the norm
wary falcon
(he is better than iddqd, in ranked atleast)
balmy wolf
relaly should pump more PR into Contenders
but I guess we are just going to have to make due with occasional twitter mentions
Well hqrdest has been playing McCree even since his nerfs
even in dive
So he has a lot more practice
Than Iddqd who has botted tracer and 76 for months
balmy wolf
I remember reading their names on the contenders website but it didnt even click that they werent on the roster before
Glad to see Leaf back
His partner in crime, zYKK, only sixteen, has decided to step down at the behest of his parents, putting his pro career on hold for the next two years to focus on his studies.
balmy wolf
but as for just how much they paid for their Contenders spot, HyP remained tight-lipped, apologising "I'm not allowed to talk about that, sorryβ.
I wonder how much it was
This new roster should be good though
toxic yacht
inb4 they're trash
toxic yacht
can't wait to watch Leaf play DF
clever portal
The OW baiting 
The notification said the first line
It had "overwatch open 2017"
I was 
balmy wolf
#kvoclub
clever portal
I need to start clicking on profiles now
To see who it is
Is Oreo reformed 
I thought it was someone normal for a day
toxic yacht
no, oreo is still a weeaboo
vestal mortar
weebs everywhere
balmy wolf
im just a humble hanzo main
clever portal
balmy wolf
solid spear
I'm always normal :/
red anvil
vestal mortar
There are many weebs in esports
blazing parrot
what i do
most of the pros are weebs
i know that taimou and surefour have myanimelist accounts
vestal mortar
Ajax loves anime too
blazing parrot
ye
alekiii and sleepy are weebs
pretty sure dids and veineless are closet weebs
mendo is a weeb
toxic yacht
Pretty sure that dids isn't a weeb, veine is questionable
pine star
Weebs everywhere smh
toxic yacht
He's a weeb? Hope he gets kicked
spring lintel
The esport seen is so hectic
One day an org pulls out
One day a new org comes out
One day someone retires
One day a pro in another esport seen says ow got esport potential
Who knows what's gonna happen
clever portal
New orgs 
clever portal
Zacha
balmy wolf
Veil, you mean
clever portal
I don't understand these guys
Literally in the worst team in apex
And toxic to teammates
Maybe if he was Whoru or something it would be understandable
clever wagon
Yay, didnt miss the podcast
Ew
Sojum is veteran now? Disgusting
OW scene is full of closet weeb
balmy wolf
Says the weeb
clever portal
supple nymph
tim unquit ow after a week?
clever wagon
Implying I meant that as an insinuation
solid spear
Good
balmy wolf
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6u7fh3/is_it_weird_i_am_happy_to_be_10001200/
solid spear
._.
pine star
When us esports nerds try to do "normal" stuff lol
balmy wolf
@supple nymph I have less than zero patience for them
clever wagon
I dont particularly hate or love being a solo plat asshole but I'm not so insecure to announce and assert it to the whole sub :/
balmy wolf
I am proud to not have anime pfp
vital knoll
OW esports 
smoky hinge
solid spear
feral solar
dead game 
toxic yacht
Cwoosh creating Space on Rein, Logix on McCree, TviQ on 76
Only 1 Tracer, Crems and Manneten on Zarya
Nevix on Genji, which is expected
Both teams running Ana, but c9 has a monkey
Not sure if the Ana defensive dive is something they run more often or just a one-off thing for there
smoky hinge
Overwatch is a dead eSport 
/s
clever portal
Atleast from what we've seen of Apex
On Kings Row old meta seems to be back
So Ana/Zarya seems fine
red anvil
Teams do run to dive once the rein fails tho
clever portal
100 energy nano'd Kalios Kreygasm
Kind of like when dive meta was starting
People would try 3 dps
And instantly change back to comfort picks
So when will they play roadhog
burnt token
do they do an english stream of the vici gaming and lgd gaming match?
clever portal
Nah, Chinese only
I think last season the finals were shown on twitch
But still in Chinese
burnt token
ohh no point in trying to watch then
burnt token
ill try that when it comes out and thanks
bitter remnant
I mean you can watch the chinese stuff without the casting
the names for the heroes and ultimates is the same π
forest raven
Twitter
toxic yacht
rip AF Red
feral solar
red anvil
or AFB to boston π€
toxic yacht
if you already go as far as buying a KR team
and you buy AFB
of all teams
you should get fired
red anvil
Well if LH + partly LWB goes to seoul, someone else hijacks KDP or part of KDP, AFB is the 4th best choise 
toxic yacht
I still think that AFB is crap
well, not crap
just not nearly as good as people thought they were
red anvil
i would still rank them as Nr.4 in apex
clever portal
They would still win contenders Na 
red anvil
this season at least, not sure if they would beat rogue
toxic yacht
apex teams are all kind of meh outside of LH and KDP
tbh
LW could also be pretty strong
but they were a complete mess last season
red anvil
LWB is solid for sure
once they stop getting injured
especially now that they got Mano
toxic yacht
I just hope that they get their shit together again
I was extremely disappointed with them in S3 because of how everyone was constantly getting subbed out due to health issues
like, Nanohana, Janus and now Gambler
feelsbad
clever portal
If Janus is kill they have Mano
I think there's probably some news with LWB coming
Unless he got kicked
Why would you go to an unpaid position
wary falcon
i thought it's tracer on his avatar's preview
clever portal
OWL 
red anvil
Except more OW stuff soon 
clever portal
I don't like the generic tracer picture some orgs use
Because dafran used it as his profile picture
clever portal
limber pine
E S P O R T S
Have there been any success stories of orgs with two teams?
it seems like most end up dropping the second team
rapid oxide
No
You don't improve with sister team
You have to pay one additional team
One inevitably gets the best player
Birdring anyone?
Pine?
balmy wolf
sister team is like a way to develop talents and also provide good scrimmage
once the talents are matured
wary falcon
in Dota 2 big chinese orgs have 2 teams
balmy wolf
up to the main team you go.
wary falcon
and they are on the same level
LDG and LDG.Forever Young for example
young team is better for some reason
balmy wolf
i mean Uncia looks better than Panthera after two seasons
and Panthera only looks decent after poaching Birdring from Uncia
clever portal
Sister team is a really good idea
Otherwise you end up like Apex teams
Where at some points you literally have no scrims
clever portal
Old LWR with Pine and Nanohana
spring lintel
Sinatraa low key is trying to be marketable.
blazing parrot
yo 
clever wagon
Catching up to AtW where I left off
solid spear
Hiya
clever wagon
This is getting really KappaPride
blazing parrot
solid spear
Most interesting thing from that podcast was Sinatraa confirming he has to be a sub for OWL until March
wary falcon
tfw no surefour sdb
wut
balmy wolf
Because he's just a sub
wary falcon
Sub player still can play? Judging by Apex
balmy wolf
He said it himself he probably wont ever play
The contenders subs, at least most of them, are just if one player cant play
not a swap in swap out deal
clever wagon
"Genji and Winston are pretty much the same thing, right"
"... Sure. According to Cwoosh, yeah"
rapid oxide
i find "cwoosh creating space" as trash meme as the "reformed" one tbh
wary falcon
winston is greating space creating tool to be honest
balmy wolf
TO was already dead in the water
rapid oxide
Maybe someone bought Toronto OWL Spot... 
toxic yacht
Eh, there's a reason why Haksal was the best Winston on runaway
balmy wolf
wha
toxic yacht
I'm more worried about his rein than monkey
Genji -> Monkey isn't exactly the hardest transition
wary falcon
Does anybody find it strange that Sojum and Cwoosh were never in the same room at the same time?
π€
toxic yacht
lmao
true tide
@pseudo sail Only thing wrong with your dream team is that it has no-one with proven ' leader personality'. No-one to cheer the players on, keep them positive. No EsCA, Runner, Saebyolbe, Mickie style person.
solid spear
I mean we know very little about a lot players in game personalities cuz we're never in game with them
true tide
ryujehong says he tilts easily, and I saw tobi & flow3r, they were quiet af.
The only reason they emoted at all was saebeyolbe being all bouncy and being like, 'let's go!'
You're right though, we don't know. Maybe birdring is a total vitamin bomb! With all these team disbandment and shady shady behaviours from players/orgs when it comes to rosters, I'm realising more and more that talent alone isn't enough.
vernal obsidian
It must suck to be C9 in the overwatch professional scene. They will forever be remembered as "that" team.
vernal obsidian
prob
balmy wolf
uh
EU hello?
and also @true tide his list actually missed one vital thing
personality is shit when you realized that NONE OF THE PLAYERS ARE SHOTCALLER
vernal obsidian
I just hope that Lunatic Hai is physically and mentally well.
Because if they aren't, they probably will start to get bored like dafran or annoyed at OW as a whole.
true tide
Lmfao, right @balmy wolf .. also that π
blazing parrot
@toxic yacht )))
pseudo sail
@true tide they get EscA as a coach, he'll enter the booth and cheer every 10 minutes, after they've destroyed the enemy team's hopes and dreams. π 
btw I get your point
solid spear
Kvo stop
blazing parrot
)))
toxic yacht
Lol, Dafran is the best DPS to ever touch overwatch
solid spear
These are facts
blazing parrot
@toxic yacht )))
toxic yacht
He's the best at every role
solid spear
Yep
blazing parrot
lol )))
toxic yacht
LH would have won something a year ago of he had been supporting instead of jehong
blazing parrot
)))
solid spear
Most likely tbh
balmy wolf
LH is Reunited tier in term of "always finished second"
their winning of APEX S2 and S3 finally got them into that tier 1 territory lol
now let's wait if eUnited can do the same thing
solid spear
They better looking at EU contenders teams rn
toxic yacht
If they get second in contenders s1 I'm gonna laugh and cry at the same time
I'm pretty confident in the fact that they're gonna win though
solid spear
Unless Cwoosh and Logix can carry the rest of misfits
toxic yacht
Since there is no Rogue to fuck them up the 3rd time
balmy wolf
here's a dangerous thought: 
get their shit together and win it
or exNIP somehow evolved into a dangerous contender as well
solid spear
Nah
toxic yacht
As much as I want Misfits to finally win, I doubt it
blazing parrot
pine star
blazing parrot
x)
pine star
balmy wolf
still have no idea why they bench Reinforce for Cwoosh 
solid spear
Cuz Cwoosh is better
solid spear
toxic yacht
Because apparently someone on Misfits didn't like Reinforce's opinions
Well, "how opinionated he is"
solid spear
Can't wait for our 5th 2cp map at Gamescom 
true tide
Wait what
blazing parrot
what
true tide
Is that confirmed about Reinforced?
toxic yacht
Yee
balmy wolf
Reinforce better get a 
try out. Having a 2 time LAN main tank who can both play Reinhardt and Winston isn't someone who is on the FA list routinely.
blazing parrot
thats what reinfroce said
toxic yacht
He said it in the post about why he's LFT
blazing parrot
we dont know if thats the actual reason
solid spear
I mean he had disagreements with people pretty much
blazing parrot
from misfits
true tide
That's such horse shit.
blazing parrot
maybe its the truth maybe not
solid spear
Obviously Reinforce is gonna word things in a way that makes it look like he did nothing
toxic yacht
Split up with his boy TviQ after 18 months BibleThump
solid spear
Like anyone would
blazing parrot
BibleThump hes not with his genji anymore BibleThump
solid spear
We dont know actual specifics and there's no real point speculating
Manneten better learn Monkey anyway
balmy wolf
Manneten is off tank tho
solid spear
For the cleanest triple dps dive 
balmy wolf
slotting him initially for DPS was a 
@solid spear Cwoosh is going to main tank
why would Manneten have to play Winston? 
Meanwhile Zombs and Onigod has officially released from contract jails
toxic yacht
anyway, they've been scrimming with manneten on zarya again
can't wait to watch him play her, he was pretty good the 3,5 times we saw it
blazing parrot
smurf and alt are the same thing no?
people saying that smurfs are people who intentionally stay at low rank while alt is just a separate account
toxic yacht
that's the original meaning of smurf
it lost it's meaning some time back, but people in CS still use smurf to refer to people who deliberately stay low from what I've gathered, but last time I was active in the cs go community was over a year ago
people in OW pretty much never used the intended meaning
solid spear
So helpful 
toxic yacht
Logix on FaZe with NamedHwi
toxic yacht
I'm just memeing
logix was playing mccree in scrims btw
if you haven't already seen the clip
double hitscan with tviq on 76
balmy wolf
is going in hard tho. They are only a youtube channel but is splurging in money left and right
toxic yacht
I legit believed that they were gonna drop their OW roster for the longest time
balmy wolf
ikr
solid spear
SDB/Carpe seems like it should be really good
balmy wolf
it gives them a flexibility that on paper up to back when TwoEasy was in the roster
Carpe can play all the hitscan needed
and actually having a supportive crew means that there will be less "SDB on non Genji character"
vernal obsidian
Russia got shreked because they didn't have a hitscan
balmy wolf
rip unfixed
Mistakes is their hitscan
but almost all of their hitscan specialists has been one tricking Tracer
and i doubt having a 76 would help against Mangachu tbph
Also no rubikon Zen 
clever portal
WallHugger
solid spear
toxic yacht
it also means that they can run genji and pharah at the same time since carpe is actually a pretty good genji
solid spear
Ew
toxic yacht
you're ew
clever portal
Leave Oreo alone
toxic yacht
go back to the garbage bin where you weeaboos beloing
pine star
I actually had to check which one of you two weebs is Oreo
solid spear
I've hardly ever seen it but I hate Genji/Pharah
Unless its some weird triple dps stuff
And you're a weeb so stfu Sojum
toxic yacht
no I'm not liar
solid spear
Are you a betting man too?
toxic yacht
yes
solid spear
LEAKS
toxic yacht
clever portal
Lmao
solid spear
Photoshopped anyway... actually no I was hacked
clever portal
solid spear
Well Carpe got picked up, Dafran quit, and Sinatraa has to sub til March and those were the best players
clever portal
Mods
solid spear
@balmy wolf I'll tell you now to just delete that so a mod doesn't have to
balmy wolf
pine star
clever portal
The replies 
solid spear
I mean even if he was the best widow player in the world which is he isn't, no team is signing a Widow one trick lul
balmy wolf
to be fair
Kephrii did rang for 
back in the day
the problem of course is that he usually just instasnap Widow for stream
thus bringing in the perception that he is a WIdow one trick
sure he can whinge about how he isn't
but perception is reality
wintry matrix
i think he should start a amateur team, go into open division to see if he can improve
balmy wolf
yeah good luck getting any team to pick on him
his only bet is either a tier 2 team
or even lower than that
someone has to prove themselves from somewhere
toxic yacht
you don't get it guys
taimou doesn't use widow on every map because he doesn't understand her strength
he's just scared becasue r/overwatch told him that widow sucks
pine star
I mean, it's the OWL teams missing out for not signing him, clearly
balmy wolf
kephrii for seoul team
pine star
Kephrii > Fl0w3r
clever portal
Kephrii widow > Taimou
rapid oxide
People point out hes an otp (in a kind way)
Twitter
Wondering because he didn't get offers
pine star
Whoever replied even said he would be happy to be proven wrong lol
And he says he needs to prove nothing to him
Well then prove your worth to orgs
He's just sitting around waiting for an email with an OWL contract just because he's fucking Kephrii
rapid oxide
Gonna reply later
toxic yacht
obviously he's gonna get a contract for his instalocking widow in the shitshow that is comp atm heroics
wtf is this sentence
balmy wolf
that guy is such an asshole for saying he cant play anything other than widow at that level even though he only ever plays widow and a mediocre mccree in ranked
toxic yacht
obviously he's gonna get picked over all of the countless other FAs who've been playing competitively since beta and consistently proven their worth
toxic yacht
it's totally not like a lot of teams are currently rebuilding
clever portal
Because they haven't been signed
rapid oxide
nah dude
clever portal
It's pro teams who signed up for OWL
clever portal
If you're talking about ranked streamers
rapid oxide
/s
clever portal
Calvin/Seagull have a higher chance
solid spear
Calvin and Seagull are actually professional level players on more than 1 niche hero lol
toxic yacht
not just level, they actually played professionally
and seagull wants to start again, so that comparison doesn't really work
balmy wolf
solid spear
Kephrii flex
solid spear
balmy wolf
and see he has like multiple days played on widow
and then maybe 10-20 hours on mccree
flex
and minutes on everyone else
still play like a pro
what a retard lmao
bruh
this just proves that anyone speaking nicely about him is just a sub or fan of his http://i.imgur.com/FU3AMCT.png
also his first reply lmao
toxic yacht
lmfao
balmy wolf
all you do is get carried by your stack and play widow all day as if you have any idea what an actual team setting is like
toxic yacht
he's literally the USA's gift to esports
toxic yacht
Brian "USA's Gift to Esports" St. Pierre
solid spear
Flex btw lul
pine star
Some team should actually try him out so he gets dumpstered and gets his ego reduced
limber pine
I doubt there'd be a reduction in ego
balmy wolf
It's not really surprising that the majority of the comments are just his fans considering they follow his twitter
toxic yacht
when so many teams
are picking up emergency subs
and rebuilding
or were just looking to fill up their rosters
and you still aren't picked
even as an "emergency sub who will probably never ever play"
then there's probably a reason lol
solid spear
Most these emergency subs are literally there cuz oh why not they're free
toxic yacht
yup
limber pine
he acknowledges the writing on the wall
better than the fool I was replying to yesterday
wintry matrix
tbh i'd kinda wish kephri was good enough to be on a team
to bring more viewership
never a bad thing that a popular streamer goes pro
wintry matrix
that be cool too
pine star
This^
wintry matrix
but tbh lots of pros have 0 charisma
not that you need to have
but it always helps considering esports are driven by views and sponsorship
it's weird watching the singing contestes at the finals of S2 and S3 apex
toxic yacht
tru
wintry matrix
half the players look they'd rather be anywhere than there (like void), then you have others like Fissure and SBB who just bursts with charisma
toxic yacht
I'd love to watch more sdb, but he says 3 words an hour
I'll just go watch surefour or some shit since he actually talks, lul
solid spear
There's so many good pro streamers though
solid spear
Some of them just need a good host
wintry matrix
emongg's stream is pretty good
solid spear
Emongg has pretty consistent views
toxic yacht
emongg needs a seagull host
solid spear
I mean like Dafran became popular after a tournament hosted him during project Dafran he was small af for months when I was watching him
A fat host alone can be all it takes
toxic yacht
pretty sure that calvin exploded after getting a fat host, lol
balmy wolf
Seagull needs to host some good streamers
He should just do that
Make other streamers popular
toxic yacht
grimreality also only has 8k followers because seagull hosted him during one of his early streams
balmy wolf
He did that with shadder
toxic yacht
ya
toxic yacht
yup
toxic yacht
no one knew OWK
lul
people only know shadder because of Seagull, and by the time he got big he was pretty much a genji only stream
toxic yacht
last time he played was for the OW Open qualifiers
like, he came from CSGO
he has good hitscan aim
lul
solid spear
He'll at least get tryouts I'd imagine
solid spear
Hopefully he can actually make an OWL team
balmy wolf
solid spear
You never know
toxic yacht
well, we all know that according to king god emperor xQc NRG > current Rogue
obviously
lul
apparently a lot of newly formed NA teams are reking rogue in scrims
because as we all know
solid spear
Current NRG has been changing at 2 spots like a shit ton si
toxic yacht
scrims are the way to judge a team
balmy wolf
cough Shadder genji > NiCO genji cough
toxic yacht
if you win scrims you're good
solid spear
Idk what that means
toxic yacht
obviously
funnily enough, shadder actually plays the heroes nico should be filling lul
he's a better genji, he also plays zarya and dva
solid spear
Shadders pool is really nice
toxic yacht
also, nico is actually a hitscan guy who basically played genji straight for a month without sleeping
which means that rogue has 3 hitscan dps
π
pine star
Triple hitscan meta ready 
toxic yacht
like, rogue's hero pools are really fucked because of this stupid all french shit
balmy wolf
I still wonder why NiCO ground Genji like a madman
Maybe he knew Rogue was looking for that?
And decided to switch?
solid spear
Kyrw would be a really good 7th if theyre adamant about that
toxic yacht
yup
balmy wolf
Kryw would be a really good 6th to replace NiCO really
balmy wolf
But there's some personality issues between him and some of the Rogue guys i think
toxic yacht
but if it shifts back to zarya more
you're gonna regret not having kryw, lul
also, apparently kryw hates everyone
I don't know how well he'd do with SoOn
balmy wolf
Graviton Surge 
toxic yacht
zebbo back on lucio 
solid spear
Also Flow3r in OWL 
clever portal
Misfits might actually be good again 
toxic yacht
okay, he played off-tank when they won dreamhack
and widow
his widow was really good
triple dps and stuff
toxic yacht
I'm not sure about cwoosh reinhard
clever portal
They play thier rivals this wekk
balmy wolf
I remember when Misfits was one of the best teams in the world
solid spear
But so did the last roster
balmy wolf
toxic yacht
I'm confident in his winston space creation
clever portal
Misfits v LK 
balmy wolf
C9 EU*
toxic yacht
but like, his rein is a very big 
solid spear
C9
toxic yacht
but well, gods tank was also
until he actually played it and did well
feelsbad for gods, the NRG reputation is still bumfucking him
balmy wolf
Yea but thats gods
toxic yacht
like, after gods
became such a good genji
I stopped questioning him
it seems like he'll become good at everything he puts effort into
solid spear
Gods plays a lot of stuff but the hes not particularly standout on anything imo
balmy wolf
McCree
solid spear
He's really solid though I like him
toxic yacht
c'Mon
balmy wolf
solid spear
He hasn't played those in tourney in so long I don't know how he is by current standards
toxic yacht
last time we saw him on cree was in november, true
he was dinking shadowburn's head left and right
solid spear
So I'm not gonna call Gods a standout McCree having when things were so different last time we saw it
He might be but I'm not gonna say that
toxic yacht
π I believe in him now π although I used to be an atheist π
solid spear
I thought Gods was the best player on old NRG though even though that was an unpopular opinion
toxic yacht
people wanted him cut, lol
then after he played reaper at the OW Open
"OMG GODS IS SUCH A GOD"
seriously, people are too quick to fuck around with their opinions
good that they put gods on reaper tbh
solid spear
He deserves to be on a team as a flex though
toxic yacht
seagull's reaper was lol
solid spear
Or at worst hes like
balmy wolf
Seagull hitscan 
solid spear
The perfect 7th
toxic yacht
I put more faith in him than you
tbh
lol
his genji was mediocre at best when we first saw it in apex
balmy wolf
well yeah you should because hes a top 500 player and im diamond
toxic yacht
then he practiced a bunch and was getting 3-4k dragonblades and has super solid moment to moment gameplay
like, I legit stopped questioning anything he does at that point
solid spear
I mean he's a really nice player to have
toxic yacht
I personally believe that he has the potential to excel at whatever he plays if he puts enough effort into it
solid spear
I like flex players who like actually flex
toxic yacht
he also doesn't mind flexing into any role
which is great
tell dafran to go tank and he'll probably bench himself
lol
solid spear
Dafran did tank lol
toxic yacht
rein
solid spear
Monkey and Zarya
toxic yacht
okay
oh god
don't remind me
of selfless trying to run dives
at the OMM
micheal3D on winston
toxic yacht
with solo lucio support
solid spear
I miss Dafran/Sinatraa ;_;
toxic yacht
I just wanted to see dafran play more heroes tbh
he seemed to have a pretty large pool, but only really felt comfortable at 76, genji and tracer
although genji was more of a tilt pick
he was actually a genji main back in S1
lol
solid spear
His pool was large but its not like Gods where hes similar level on a lot of stuff
There's a clear discrepancy
toxic yacht
his pharah was super inconsitent according to kresnik
solid spear
But that's just cuz he's stupid on 76, Tracer
toxic yacht
and he also said that he wasn't all that willing to go for set plays with mei
stupid good or stupid?
his positioning on 76 was definitely a bit stupid
wintry matrix
his ults
toxic yacht
and what people always exploited when playing against him
solid spear
Thinking I'd insult my father 
toxic yacht
I actually preferred it when he played tracer tbh
his 76 seemed to be a bit brainless
like, all aim no brain
solid spear
He only didn't play Tracer cuz of Sinatraa wanting to play it over Genji
solid spear
still my favorite player by a lot, loved watching him on stream and in tourney
hes a troll but I dont think hes some terrible human being
grave moth
Throw for da fran
clever portal
solid spear
dad
balmy wolf
more like throw rocks at dafran
solid spear
toxic yacht
more like burn dafran
limber pine
That's a bold strategy @rapid oxide . Let's see how it works out
solid spear
wait pls
clever portal
Vacebeef 
balmy wolf
with most of you just having it as your discord name its not like its hard to find
pine star
The fuck you talking about
solid spear
solid spear
def Sulli
clever portal
Look up Oreo 
toxic yacht
everyone knows that you share passwords with brazzers accounts
solid spear
real talk youre holding a really big L if you pay for porn
red anvil
Kephrii whining about not being eliaiable for OWL again?
toxic yacht
you're da real MVP if you do that tbh
pine star
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
toxic yacht
make the world better for everyone else
and yes, kephrii is actually whining about that
lmao
solid spear
I dont even know what brazzers is ._.
pine star
His tweet was basically "I know people ain't gonna sign me but I'm disappointed I'm not getting signed for no reason"
clever portal
clever portal
Oreo likes of the traditional way
pine star
That tweet gave me aids
clever portal
With a playboy subscription
solid spear
Nah I never said that
solid spear
just dont know about brazzers specifically
toxic yacht
he plays flank widow
pine star
He plays assault rifle only Widow 
spring lintel
Would be awesome to see widow viable always
spring lintel
But most maps don't support her that much
solid spear
yes he does
spring lintel
It would force cutting los
toxic yacht
fights basically boiled down to who had the better widow
spring lintel
And playing with shields
balmy wolf
somebody didn't live through the widow meta age apparently
toxic yacht
it was basically a game of who could protect their widowmaker better
spring lintel
Widow had 150 dmg body
toxic yacht
she was viable everywhere because she was op
she cannot be viable on every map by design
spring lintel
I mean her right now to be viable but not OP
toxic yacht
she's niche
in order to be viable everywhere she must be op
it's just how she's designed
spring lintel
She cant be viable because of the maps
red anvil
new widow is gone be a pain
spring lintel
Like I said, i wish but the maps don't support her
solid spear
even when Widow was op she still wasnt used as much on certain maps mostly koth, for you to get what you want Baaam shed have to be extremely retarded
red anvil
she can if we go back to protect the king meta again
toxic yacht
eh
watched takeover 1 vods
she was
everywhere
not as extreme as I'm making it sound
but 2 widows at least per match was pretty common
also, hero stacking made some things more messy
balmy wolf
the whole reason Gods was recruit to LG was his Widow
spring lintel
If kephri tried to get good with other hitscans, he will be good.
balmy wolf
either way, people needs to think really hard about what they want from the meta.
everyone is always "buff x, nerf x"
but never aware of its potential ramification
spring lintel
I want the meta to be changing every 3 months
balmy wolf
why
spring lintel
Until we settle on a good meta where everyone is viable at least
toxic yacht
how about we get a meta where dives and deathballs are booth viable?
π
that'd be cool
spring lintel
^
balmy wolf
everyone is viable
toxic yacht
like, beyblade
balmy wolf
where the fuck have you live
toxic yacht
was fucking amazing
spring lintel
Most heroes i mean
solid spear
nah lets buff Winston and nerf heros that enable deathball
toxic yacht
even a bit of dva
spring lintel
Instead of mirror comps every single fucking time for so many months
toxic yacht
no zen to be found though
balmy wolf
you do realized if everyone is viable then everyone'd get less than 5% pick rate?
toxic yacht
which sucked
balmy wolf
seriously, get a fucking brain
toxic yacht
.<
spring lintel
Quit bitching about what I say
solid spear
spring lintel
U dont like it just block me and fuck off
Not the first time and he is bothering the fuck outta me
balmy wolf
APEX S2 and OW Open was about as close as it get in term of healthy meta. Trying to get "everyone is viable" is pretty laughable as a goal
balmy wolf
no reason
opaque owl
Guys don't fight in chat
trim trellis
peace on discord
solid spear
I think very few people expect every individual hero to viable but hope multiple playstyles are
balmy wolf
i mean if you actually have an actual thought about what you want and need from the meta, you wouldn't have me call you out pretty much 90% of the time.
vic and teo coming in at the same time
spring lintel
Like goddamn, I know you have been watching espor since day one but you dont have to be a dick every fucking time
toxic yacht
balmy wolf
ah i see why now
trim trellis
π€
solid spear
guys please people should only get in arguments with me 
toxic yacht
also, 60%?
wtf
I expected it to be like, 50 at most
whew
widowmaker everywhere
spring lintel
Being viable doesnt mean they have to be played
solid spear
it counted Agents rising too
toxic yacht
ah
solid spear
so maybe thats why
balmy wolf
multiple playstyles is achievable in OW but really hard, because that's the reality of mirror comp. This isn't like DOTA2 where out of 100+ roster there's only 4 that got unpicked.
balmy wolf
maybe later when OW got enough hero pool that allows non mirror comp
then it is a possibility
but for now though it is not
spring lintel
And this is what i want?
So why the hell are you talking shit
How am I stupid for wanting this?
How am I brain dead?
solid spear
I mean I dont expect radical changes as long as they refuse to touch Winston/D.Va tbh
balmy wolf
did you even read what i write? It requires a signficantly long time down the road. It is not going to happen now.
balmy wolf
and also for the fact that Team 4 wants every heroes to be "unique". Which means that it is not going to be in like in MOBA where multiple picks in a same role is useful because of some overlap + their own flair
and no, it won't happen.
because like i said, non mirror comp.
OW won't change the non mirror comp part
because it is integral to their design
spring lintel
So you think we will play mirror comps forever?
balmy wolf
and also for the fact that all the Defense heroes are cancerous everytime they are meta.
so you are ending up walking a rather fine line of balancing
solid spear
Mei was cancer but shes thicc Ill allow it
balmy wolf
Mei ult twice every 60s
of course, unless your taste is Blizzard every team fights, Widow picks every team fights, or
Bastion.
toxic yacht
mei wasn't even picked that much, I just had PTSD