I'm sorry but
#esports-discussion
clever wagon
wintry matrix
soe supports france so i'm now going to shill for Rachel
solid spear
Taiwan #9 u_u
clever wagon
Seeing Flash Wolves getting bodied by USA and UK
I think you AUS should start thinking about them too
balmy wolf
time to refresh Alicus's twitter like it was Contenders 
toxic yacht
contenders = best F5 simulator
short vault
does anyone else cry when stream ends
knotty acorn
You're not wrong, I'm more worried about the Brits than the US tbh
short vault
bye chat BibleThump
solid spear
US and UK going 15-0 and 14-1 in a tough event is kinda nice
knotty acorn
At least the UK can be good in a shooter now, because their CS scene is dead
But a lot of people saying that AU are the weakest team isn't without merit given what just happened
Still gotta root for the boys though
clever wagon
AUS by all means isn't 2016 meme this year
clever wagon
I'll give you that much
toxic yacht
ffs
clever wagon
Blank is ππ»
toxic yacht
I wanna go to bed
knotty acorn
I'm still mad we sent Muselk last year
toxic yacht
post it π‘
sullen berry
Sleep already soj
clever wagon
But USA and UK started kicking too
sullen berry
It's over for the month
knotty acorn
BLK is far and above the rest of the scene, but we do have a lot of good players here
solid spear
@toxic yacht sleep if anything happens Ill ping you or dm you or whatever so youll see it
toxic yacht
π
short vault
good^friend
sullen berry
Cheers for being a dope coordinator
whole mulch
clever wagon
wintry matrix
BR's team was like 3 pros, one streamer who was considered somewhat good (think of it something like gale or calvin) and two scrubs
clever wagon
There you go @balmy wolf that should fall in line with your concept of optimism
wintry matrix
tbh 2 of those pros didn't seem to be very good
balmy wolf
wooo boy @clever wagon
feral solar
When do we get to know who plays who at BlizzCon?
forest raven
28th
feral solar
2 weeks ugh
clever wagon
The Reinforce LFT signs lmao https://twitter.com/Bass__OW/status/896835820111499265
balmy wolf
i mean
he is the best main tank FA atm
really good on both Winston and Reinhardt
and winner of 2 majors
if he is going to 
tho I'm going to kill some kittens
sullen berry
where do i start for some quality Reinforce gameplay?
balmy wolf
RIP the Canada/US/KR dream
clever wagon
Jeezus
balmy wolf
inb4 the new C9 roster still fucking flop like the old C9 though
clever wagon
So... old roster FA soon then
clever wagon
Starting LFT?
sullen berry
woot lazer kittenz
clever wagon
Sister teams?
balmy wolf
@sullen berry watch Rogue vs Faze Clan, Rogue vs nV and Rogue vs Lunatic Hai APAC Premier
clever wagon
It indeed did not say that they're releasing the NA roster
balmy wolf
probably not tbh
since their NA team flunk out of Contenders hard
WAIT
NEVIX
HITSCAN
EU
clever wagon
So C9 got that private jet service along with it?
balmy wolf
Nevix is in the new EU btw
if anyone paid attention
their roster is Kyb/Crems/Greyy/Mous/Nevix/Crusade
wintry matrix
where?
balmy wolf
wintry matrix
oh shit, only now i realized that they labeled as EU
clever wagon
Greyy PogguChampu
wintry matrix
so maybe NA ain't rip
clever wagon
LegitRC 
balmy wolf
btw
it is also somewhat confirmed that the new 
is probably not going to be full Swedish anymore
since Reinforce and Nevix is out
Manneten should be out too tbh
clever wagon
Space-making blades 
forest raven
Twitter
blazing parrot
so they have c9 team and lk?
clever wagon
Top half SR grouped with bottom half
wintry matrix
i'd like to think that if they labeled LK as their "OW EU" specifically, that they haven't given up on c9
clever wagon
Yeah
wintry matrix
then probably c9 NA can get on contenders
clever wagon
It looks more like EU & NA sister teams
solid spear
Looks like those boys in NA are just in jail
balmy wolf
Surefour can fetch a lot of buyout money
solid spear
They won't have 2 OWL teams
solid spear
So they either sell em or combine rosters
balmy wolf
and also,
now that Nevix and Reinforce is benched/out
who are they going to replace them?
blazing parrot
12 spots for c9 owl team
balmy wolf
mind you Contenders only allows 6 starters with 3 subs
solid spear
I already lost my favorite teams 
balmy wolf
maybe get B1shop as analysis
solid spear
They have legit
royal ore
blazing parrot
π¬π§ Kyb
πΈπͺ Nevix
πΈπͺ crems
π΅πΉ Greyy
π³π± CrusaDe
π΅πΉ mowzassa
πͺπ¬ Alicus (Director)
πΊπΈ spazzo (Coach)
πΊπΈ LegitRC (Analyst)
wintry matrix
i always thought that LK was looking for a head coach when they got Hulk
balmy wolf
they got Spazzo
wintry matrix
i know
wintry matrix
damn
blazing parrot
forest raven
He's the manager for it all now
solid spear
It's ok u_u
blazing parrot
suredad 
quasi python
so c9 eu vs c9 na
shrewd jacinth
clever wagon
Coolmatt's DVa is ππ»
The 3-man boost boop on Germany to prevent them from touching the point
clever wagon
Ye
sturdy granite
Sooo, Misfits lose 2 players on the same day... Jeez, Alicus wasn't kidding about the Game of Thrones stuff going on behind the scenes
zealous girder
FREE SEAGULL
clever wagon
Current USA roster > Seagull
river blaze
wintry matrix
he was not allowed at group stages
rapid oxide
S4 
then?
https://twitter.com/mattr0d/status/896935598186823681 "" match review "" 
Twitter
wintry matrix
NO
rapid oxide
Im not sure they'll be a great duo tbh
wintry matrix
i don't want soe snatched by the evil fire man 
smoky hinge
rapid oxide
They are so different
bitter remnant
I stayed up till 2 am to watch UK vs Taiwan
worth it
I mean the three hours of sleep I got wasn't enough, but still, worth it
almost this alone made it worth it π π« π¦
clever wagon
When you remember that Sinatraa and MikeyA both made it to Blizzcon 
bitter remnant
yeeee
clever wagon
Gotta love their Tracer plays
bitter remnant
also watching BoomBox for that whole series 
clever wagon
π§ π΄ π΄ π² π§ π΄ π½
bitter remnant
blessRNG I USED TO USE BLUETOOTH blessRNG NOW I USE BOOMBOX blessRNG
clever wagon
BlessRNG I USED TO DRIVE MANUALLY BlessRNG BUT NOW I USE KRUISE KONTROL BlessRNG
bitter remnant
BlessRNG I USED TO GO FAST BlessRNG NOW I JUST KRUISE BlessRNG
bitter remnant
but yeah, so hyped to see them at blizzcon. Just gotta hope they don't get drawn into SK
clever portal
Stop the memes 
clever wagon
NO
bitter remnant
I think everyone is hoping they don't get drawn into SK tbh
but hey, there's still hope. At least they aren't the only team to go undefeated in groups.
true tide
Man Overwatch is wild.
clever portal
Not Misfits yet
wary falcon
Mistakes LFT
clever portal
But C9 NA is basically kill
red anvil
π― c9 NA
clever portal
S4 is not staying on a T2 roster
red anvil
there is a lot of juggling around with players, Misfits needed quite the change
then double faceslap to get them in good shape
solid spear
S4 is always on a T2 roster
wary falcon
When I formed 123, I didnβt expect us to make the finals of Overwatch Contenders Season 0 vs eUnited and become one of the strongest teams in Europe. I always wanted to play in the pro scene and because of our motivation and dedication, we could compete against the best EU teams. Right now I feel that our team has reached its peak, also some of the members on the team are busy with school/work, so to get better and move on I decided to leave my team. Thanks to Tonic, KodaK, snillo, Dennia, bock1 for their time and effort that were invested; iuKeEe and LegitRc for their support and advices. I hope we will meet each other on tournaments :^)
For now, I'm free agent and open to any offers.
(why mistakes left)
solid spear
Yes
clever portal
VP will make OWL roster 
wary falcon
well VP has a lot of wasted slots in office
they just giving money to people for no reason
so why not
bitter remnant
"Overwatch takes skill? 
"
wary falcon
yes some kind of
a lot of people who can afford OW roster
think about OW like it's Minecraft or something like this
don't expect Navi/VP/Vega/Spirit to have teams unless OW will get big success
have little faith in Empire though
obtuse tartan
Lol
Wasn't there at least one OW player who was supposed to be the best PvPer in Minecraft or something?
wary falcon
yes
solid spear
Danteh 
bitter remnant
do they play hanzo?
wary falcon
he used sombra bug on Anubis
bitter remnant
I mean, the bow mechanics are the same right?
wary falcon
he thinks he can find a better team
toxic yacht
No, Minecraft bows are pretty different
balmy wolf
This is unexpected and stupid
wary falcon
toxic yacht
inb4 mistakes to misfits
balmy wolf
Maybe if he had left earlier he could have gotten on FaZe
solid spear
No pls don't kill him 
bitter remnant
CIS?
clever portal
Polo wakes up and talks about Mistakes LUL
wary falcon
commonwealth of independent states
clever portal
Not C9
balmy wolf
I was awake for that
toxic yacht
Nice 3 hour sleep
solid spear
Mistakes was before C9 doe
wary falcon
RU+UKR+BLR+KZ mostly
solid spear
clever portal
Pretty sure Mistakes was before C9
toxic yacht
It was
solid spear
Less than 36 hours for all teams to submit finalized contenders rosters 
clever portal
NRG roster going to be good
clever portal
How long till CLG is kill
solid spear
They're scrimming still
With a new player so...
Idk doesn't seem like they're dead yet
bitter remnant
ah
solid spear
balmy wolf
the pins
clever portal
But Reddit is actually really good for news
balmy wolf
last pin
clever portal
They'll have the posts
balmy wolf
New 123 logo 
clever wagon
#e-d is obviously the place for news, spicy memes and pastas
solid spear
I'll make sure to provide memes and pastas
bitter remnant
π€
solid spear
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bitter remnant
thank you for all these invaluable suggestions
balmy wolf
Apex is tommorow no?
solid spear
Today
clever portal
Three days a week for two weeks
balmy wolf
They changed it to Mondays from Tuesdays?
clever portal
Monday/Wednesday/Friday
balmy wolf
Ah.
clever portal
For two weeks, then back to normal 
clever wagon
They finishing the group stage round robin in those 2 weeks
bitter remnant
so are there no western series equivalent to Apex?
clever wagon
No
balmy wolf
Contenders is the closest thing
balmy wolf
Also because korea
red anvil
conteders would be solid if it wasn't split between 2 continents
NA scene just fighting NA quickly gets boring, EU being EU got a couple of sweet teams but mostly meh
bitter remnant
well just being korea doesn't give you a free pass, but having a regular organised event where your best players get to constantly improve tends to put you far ahead.
balmy wolf
It kind of does because they just take it more seriously overall the Europe and North America
forest raven
They have KR Open Division, Road to APEX, APEX Challengers and APEX itself
The geography and culture of Korea is hand-tailored for esports, really
bitter remnant
yeah, but its those leauges that let them capitalise on that
is there just no appetite to get together and play in the same way in the west?
forest raven
Blizzard actively shut down tournaments (Monthly Melee) and didn't give out licenses to tournament organisers like Dreamhack
red anvil
Blizzard have been twats
bitter remnant
but how come they didn't do that in Korea? did they not have the power to?
bitter remnant
I'm looking forward to the OWL, but I wish there was an LCS equivalent for OW
forest raven
Have there been any other $10k+ tournaments that aren't those two? @red anvil
clever portal
OWL is basically LCS
balmy wolf
There was Takeover 2
forest raven
True
clever portal
The problem is more how they lisence
bitter remnant
but how come Apex got a license and Dreamhack didn't?
clever portal
They reject if it's around the same time period
bitter remnant
Its not like Dreamhack is a small tourney
forest raven
APEX is essentially the Korean OWL
The infrastructure is already there for long term competition
forest raven
They are
bitter remnant
yeah ik
It's just frustrating that one region can get a third party league, and everyone else has to twiddle their thumbs waiting for blizzard to let them play
clever portal
Its the fault of those regions
balmy wolf
bitter remnant
is it though?
clever portal
NA/EU have no big companies like OGN that want to host leagues
red anvil
Blizzard wants to control so much of OW esport as possible, regardless of how much it hurts it
clever portal
Not KRs fault
bitter remnant
but you could still have IEM stuff, and ESL and Dreamhack
its not like esports don't exist in the west
forest raven
Blizzard has made their empire from taking the ideas others have created and perfecting it
They've tripped up multiple times with esports
red anvil
Dreamhack still had a OW championship dident they?
Skyline was there
i remeber watching something
bitter remnant
The freer the market the freer the esport!
red anvil
blegh
bitter remnant
honestly they should have waited to get their infrastructure inplace in each region before trying to shut down 3rd party stuff
there was nothing to fill the gap
I wouldn't have minded if they had been quick rolling out a league for teams to play in
clever portal
IMO this was Blizzards plan
They announce OWL
Everyone 
And there's a fuckload of tournaments and teams
When they saw what happened: 
bitter remnant
I understand them wanting to emulate the monopoly riot has over its esport, but even riot lets 3rd party tournaments like IEM exist in the offseason
while blizz seem to be selfishly hording the OW cake, even when they aren't actually eating any of it.
bitter remnant
bit late by then, SK have allready had a years head start
rapid oxide
it's never too late
instability it's obvious in the early stage of esport
you can call it's eventual dead in the future
now it's too early to say
rapid oxide
im ok with no russians in ow btw
let they ruin other games
love how vega squadron is "OW LUL"
who the fuck are they?
wary falcon
CS team was on Major, Dota team are perphaps most fan-friendly and nice guys in whole CIS scene
i like cs and dota teams but dislike their owner
rapid oxide
never heard
russians are polluting every game they touch so that's nice they are not into ow tbh
wary falcon
a lot of russians play OW on high level
i have 1 every 2 games
they just don't speak in russian
rapid oxide
luckly...
wary falcon
it's mostly because OW here is 1999 RUB
wary falcon
dunno, i never had any problems with people in my games
except germans in BF series
rapid oxide
i met mostly french
wary falcon
because you are from FRA/ITA i presume
wary falcon
most people who complain about russians are swedes and polaks
because they have same servers
rapid oxide
they are like russians sometimes
im like "talk english"
and they keep going taking baguette
red anvil
Let me just say i'm not sheering a tear for the lack of russians in OW
wary falcon
i started to play on asian server and most of the time i have discussion between taiwan numba wan and china numba wan
i wish i can play 100% time with korean/japanese
red anvil
When i go to PTR, the severs are always so weird
Always the first time i enter, i go on an US server
Always second time i go on EU
So i have to rejoin the practice range once if i wane test stuff 
rapid oxide
lol is succesfull without russians
so why ow should have them?
we have korea and china
which is way better
viewer/playerbase wise
wary falcon
it's because of cheap internet here
when i was young BF had really small russian community
that was nice
no kids and no gopniks
bitter remnant
cause "ew koreans"
I need that western hype bois
gotta beat the zerg
actually wait, protoss is a more accurate analogy
The ruskies/china would be the zerg
the Koreans the protoss
terrans = the western e-sports liberation force
wary falcon
bitter remnant
this might just be because I've watched enough league of legends to be tired of SKT ;P
and its even better when your hype af underdog story involves the region you are in
like I'm rooting big time for the UK to go far in the world cup
and I'm really really hoping somebody upsets SK, even if the odds are against it.
obtuse tartan
what happened with UK vs Taiwan?
bitter remnant
Uk 3-0ed
pretty damn convincingly
there was lots of baby D.Va bullying BibleThump
They completed Horizon with over 5 minutes spare
clever wagon
I mean, it was coming
USA 3-1'd Taiwan
UK's Kruise-MikeyA are more of Genji-Tracer specialists (and damn good ones at that) rather than Jake and Sinatraa's all rounder pool
It was predictable that UK could hit them even harder with their Genji-Tracer dive
bitter remnant
true
but Taiwan were looking good on Assault
so to even take that away from them was good going
clever wagon
3 minutes
feral solar
clever wagon
Mickie ad PogguChampu
feral solar
bitter remnant
Pappasmithy
bitter remnant
there is a twitch desktop app?
oh you mean the thing they are trying to kill discord with?
true tide
I don't know who to root for!?
bitter remnant
I'm not here to root for people, I'm here to assess how critical the KR domination is 
oh, that and watch some good OW
clever wagon
Stitch rocking that ~300 bucks Sennheiser GAME ZERO
true tide
Sayaplayer is a qt
red anvil
Sennheiser Zero, 100 dollar headphone with attached mic
its only 200 bucks tho not 300
clever wagon
Huh, really
red anvil
its a 558 with attached mic
true tide
WHAT
clever wagon
Also no @red anvil
bitter remnant
I just can't take headsets seriously, although I guess it doesn't matter that much since its for gaming not for music
clever wagon
Oh, nvm
red anvil
headsets sucks, headphones rocks
red anvil
attach mic to a nice pair of headphones and you got yourself a win
clever wagon
It's for LAN competition and you're telling them to use headphones + modmic?
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
red anvil
LH use Modmic equalent
bitter remnant
oh no, not at all
red anvil
V-Moda boompro
bitter remnant
I'm just saying I don't care about fancy expensive headsets
pros can use whatever
unf Phara duels
wary falcon
any 4k+ eu players here?
bitter remnant
I'll get back to you in a couple of years
wary falcon
just want to hear opinions about 2 players
clever wagon
Call me biased but after USA and UK's feats in the Santa Monica q, APEX today is a bit ResidentSleeper
bitter remnant
hehe
true tide
They're both underdogs. My adorable struggle babies.
bitter remnant
needs more Welsh people
balmy wolf
Yes me @wary falcon
bitter remnant
watching these Tracers miss bombs is a come down from yesterday though
true tide
Ehh, first game is usually full of whiffs and off plays while they give new roster members a chance.
wary falcon
@balmy wolf
what do you think about:
ΠΠ°ΠΡΠ΄Ρ
Mysteh
true tide
I'm also super biased because I just want these kids to do well after last season.
wary falcon
they are both ~ 4.5k and trying to get into pro
true tide
Probably not.
bitter remnant
I mean sure they should keep playing
wary falcon
yes he is 12, main genji, currently playing with my ex-team
team is dead pretty much
bitter remnant
so by 16 I imagine they will be an amazing pick up
balmy wolf
well if he just wants to play weeklies and stuff like that whatever
but he cant play in serious tournaments
bitter remnant
yeah
true tide
Yeah, he's too young.
bitter remnant
16 is kinda the entry age I think
wary falcon
Starladder/OWC will ban him then?
true tide
Yeah, 16 seems to be the youngest player in OW atm.
I think flow3r is the youngest, and he had to have his coach have legal guardianship for him to travel. I think younger.. would be too much responsibility.
balmy wolf
Flow3r is 17
bitter remnant
but yeah, if they have that talent at 12 they should just keep playing, and if they keep playing at the top level of ranked no doubt teams will notice them as up and coming talent
clever wagon
Sinatraa is 16-17
balmy wolf
All the popular 16 year olds have turned 17
true tide
lolol
balmy wolf
Agilities, Sinatraa, Grim, flow3r
bitter remnant
are there any academy teams?
clever wagon
There are some collegiate competitions
clever wagon
Rascal's Doomfist was ππ»
balmy wolf
Verbo is like 18 or older
clever wagon
Literally used KotH for warmup
red anvil
Libero started scrimming with DF the instant he was released
clever wagon
Rascal > Libero for me
true tide
Same @clever wagon, but I still love to watch them both.
red anvil
idm Runaway losing after they went dive
go MA
wait MA went dive as well
go Runaway!
clever wagon
Hm
OGN probably keep the in game footage to 30fps to deliver crystal clear video
Since 60fps with 1080p would probably need an even higher bitrate
Annoying they had to put "1080p60" though
That and because it's also broadcasted to the TVs
wary falcon
lmao, team has 12, 16, 15, 20 and 23 yo right now
it's better to disband and drop OW right?
plus 0 information about any semi-pro leagues
bitter remnant
well the 12 y'o wouldn't be able to go pro in anything yet
balmy wolf
well yeah obviously
bitter remnant
might as well nurture that talent though
wary falcon
they had great results in scrims
bitter remnant
I know a 14 y'o trying to break into the smash scene, attending a bunch of tournaments.
clever wagon
Really though
bitter remnant
obviously different for a solo esport I guess
clever wagon
Semi-pro weeklies maybe
bitter remnant
yeah
I mean, who knows where OW will be in 4 years
but if its big, then a 12 y'o playing great now has a great headstart to burst into the scene in 4 years time
clever wagon
Even if OW was going good 4-5 years ahead, I still don't think it's good
bitter remnant
but they obviously have to focus on important stuff like education
clever wagon
Like, let me put it this way
bitter remnant
banking on a potential esports career in 4 years time is kinda foolish
clever wagon
C9 Jack, for one, is thinking about his players so that they would have options outside of esports should they ever have to go out of the scene
bitter remnant
playing semi-seriously while also getting a good education, keeping their options open and giving them the opportunity to go pro when they reach 16 is a much better plan.
clever wagon
You know what though
2 words
Be Silkthread
ππ»
I mean, both esport talent and education wise
wary falcon
sounds like a Dafran
worst thing for me about all this stuff:
we changed 15+ players because they dropped OW
and we don't have information about leagues except OWL
toxic yacht
I wake up again and lul rip
balmy wolf
no kaiser 
rapid oxide
Tizi looks ok
clever wagon
Kox on DPS, Haksal Lucio, 2-0 on Metter Athener 
red anvil
They probably had trained with the roster and setups for a long time
throwing in Kaiser would not work
regardless of him being the mighty Kaiser
toxic yacht
also, the other guy is a better monkey
clever portal
Jebaited no runner Jebaited no kaiser Jebaited haksal lucio Jebaited kox dps Jebaited runaway season 4 Jebaited
red anvil
jebaited widow
true tide
lolol
balmy wolf
#notmyrunaway
true tide
"No-one could have predicted all the many different things they have run. Both have been effective."
wary falcon
so what is better? completely frustrated about OW
perphaps it's better to wait for Artifact or switch to PUBG?
rapid oxide
Kox was zen wtf
bitter remnant
well I mean if you personally want to play OW, then go and do so
true tide
^
bitter remnant
but you can't drag the 12 y'o with you
true tide
also ^
bitter remnant
so maybe that involves finding a new team
true tide
What is this comp!?
clever wagon
Uh... old Runaway?
wary falcon
i'm not talking about 12yo
just about other 7 people
i have feelings that PUBG is game like WoT
extremely popular but with dead esports scene
true tide
Yeah, that was joke.
Because Haksal is back on genji.
I tried.. to be.. funny.. sorry.
I'll sit down now.
bitter remnant
I would defo watch PUBG, but I can't imagine it being a serious esport beyond the hunger-games spectator sport thing
clever wagon
true tide
I wanted to see Kaiser.
clever wagon
PUBG is quite obviously not the type of conventional competitive play
Idk how you're gonna make even solo-based championships like Quake out of it
wary falcon
4vs4vs4vs4
bitter remnant
yeah, its something you could play competitively, but the huge numbers involved (as well as the luck of drops) makes it very different to anything else
wary falcon
squad death match
wary falcon
just lower map for esports
true tide
Kris big plays.
feral solar
hahah
clever wagon
Hm
feral solar
what a wall ride
wary falcon
or just leave it be
clever wagon
But that changes the concept of the game completely though doesn't it?
bitter remnant
yeah, I would leave it be, solo or team players out of 100
wary falcon
before late game you are just looking for a stuff
true tide
Unless it's hunger games style, where I can send my faves bonuses to help them win, I don't think I'd watch.
clever wagon
But still
bitter remnant
but you would need multiple rounds to try and gague who is actually good by hopefully averaging out the RNG
clever wagon
How do you make a championship type of competition out of it
bitter remnant
you kinda don't? you would need to have an invitational type thing
clever wagon
How do you take it further than 1 squad winning the 4-way squad battle
clever wagon
Yeah, but there's no way you're gonna create the type of hype that exists in something like a LAN event
Or even an online tournament
bitter remnant
idk, it could be pretty fun to watch. 100 people in 10 games
clever wagon
1 winner out of 100 from a match, then what?
bitter remnant
winner is the highest scorer over the set of games
like your tour de france of esports, idk
clever wagon
Well... as much as I like watching PUBG games by my favorite streamers, I probably won't watch that
Idk
It's kinda like
Let me put it this way
true tide
Play Zarya Hoon.
bitter remnant
it lacks the fun of teams facing off
but if you had strong individual talent you could hype that up, with casters following the action of specific individuals
clever wagon
A true Battle Royale or Hunger Games' tension rely on the survival part over the course of a long battle
bitter remnant
yeah
bitter remnant
you still have fairly lengthy games
you could play a set of games over multiple days
I mean if they made it so you could drag one game out over a week, that would be hype
the Le Mans of esports xP
(also completely impractical)
true tide
Throw for Kaiser. Throw so I can see Kaiser.
true tide
RUNAWAY HAVE LIGHT STICKS WAT
clever wagon
Lol
Runner
Pls open the overseas order
Pretty sure there's a decent amount of overseas fans that would gladly throw money for RunAway merch
red anvil
All mighty Kaiser brought back Runaway with his spirit on the team 
clever wagon
Meta Athena honestly doesn't have that headstrong mentality like Runaway/KDP/LH yet
rapid oxide
3 0 without Kaiser 
true tide
cheeeeeeekky
clever wagon
Also, Hoon didn't pull out Zarya didn't he
true tide
Not once.
I really wanted them to get out of groups this season.. so their org doesn't abandon them.
clever wagon
What offer
balmy wolf
remember when he said he almost took an offer from an "extremely prominent Western team" and elected to stay with Meta Athena instead?
wary falcon
he declined NRG offer?
balmy wolf
we don't know who, but he declined to go to the West
and look at the fucking shamble that is 
now
bitter remnant
meta bellum 
red anvil
At least MA and MB can cry together 
red anvil
dident you know?
pine star
No
red anvil
LK grabbed him the instant Misfits threw him
pine star
What the actual fuck
red anvil
and C9 bought LK so
bitter remnant
C9 is London's OWL team
pine star
I knew that much
bitter remnant
with essentially LK's roster
pine star
Didn't know the signed LK
bitter remnant
and C9 NA looks pretty RIP
pine star
I wonder what happens with S4
bitter remnant
yeah, and with nevix
red anvil
he cant be feeling good now, it's scary
pine star
Also, did Alicus also join C9? Or just sold the roster?
red anvil
Alicus is still in charge of the C9 roster as far as i know
bitter remnant
also mistakes left 123, and hafficool and finnsi joined
red anvil
Mistakes did all the mistakes feelsbadman
pine star
Get out
wary falcon
I think Mistakes has chance to get into new Misfits
pine star
I'm curious about CLG
bitter remnant
thought 123 wasn't going anywhere anytime soon
clever wagon
Thinks he's a gentleman
pine star
One does not simply forgets to drop a team you're paying for
clever wagon
Sulli cmon
pine star
That's not how it works lol
clever wagon
C9 bought Laser Kittenz wholesale, complete package
wary falcon
they are quiet and they know (?) their OW team can't rival top non-korean teams
pine star
balmy wolf
Faze getting Guardian is a thonker
balmy wolf
lulz
wary falcon
is there any free top tier swedish dps right now?
red anvil
Cwoosh
balmy wolf
CWoosH is 100% on the new Misfits
wary falcon
i think Mistakes > Cwoosh
last lantern
He was pretty insane at take over
red anvil
both under contract but lft
pine star
That's literally the definition of benched
red anvil
well whoru is benched but hes not lft
pine star
Inb4 he becomes full time analyst
pine star
Just missed it then
red anvil
and he was offered position as strategic coach but turned it down
pls no
bitter remnant
red anvil
bitter remnant
or make everyone play SK, then we can vote on our phones as to which team did the worst, who can then go play SK
balmy wolf
12
balmy wolf
Nevix on hitscan 
red anvil
their actually 13-14 actually
balmy wolf
How?
balmy wolf
I'm pretty sure linepro is gone now
They have been playing with Crusade since picking him up
And skipjack could also be gone, we have no idea what his situation is now
red anvil
Possible, but no confirmation yet
we dont even know what will happen to C9 NA, tbh. They dont got much to do
balmy wolf
yes but as of right now we have 100% confirmation of them having 12 players under contract
do we even count Kaiser in that list now that he returned to Runaway?
Skipjack and Linepro probably gone since they are not in the signing list for
No he is not under C9 anymore
He straight up left
yeah
Mendo and Ryb are also as good as dead
since Ryb is in a new team and Mendo is merely just streaming under
all of these news and the only thing i wonder is what 's new roster going to be
balmy wolf
Mendo is still under contract so I counted him and Ryb has been gone for ages so I obviously didn't count him
red anvil
they might wane put him on C9 EU
balmy wolf
he is in LA tho
personally I don't see the point of unbenching Mendo.
but that's just me.
I'd say they'll just keep all the players they have now and have them on the London OWL team
balmy wolf
Considering how terribly NA C9 has done recently and with the loss of Kaiser they'll just have them all on one team for owl
red anvil
Probably, but they wont get paid for just slacking in the US
also if they are on the same team for OWL they are under the OWL member rules, min wage and such
so kinda a advantage to keep them on a sister team
clever portal
55k for the bench 
red anvil
both have its perks and not
balmy wolf
Sister teams so far have been predominantly used as a permanent bench
rapid oxide
as you pointed out
balmy wolf
as subs for London
rapid oxide
having 2 team is stupid
red anvil
yes and no, the koreans uses second teams to train and secure talent.
Dosent help the west that even the main teams completely fails winning stuff though
but then again, 12 member teams are nice
rapid oxide
balmy wolf
Kox, Haksal, Bumper, Stitch, JJanu and Tizi
balmy wolf
support and flex i think
rapid oxide
Tizi main tank
forest raven
Who is this Tizi and where is my 
rapid oxide
bumper flex iirc
he's ok tbh
probably benched for the moment
and if they keep Kaiser benched against Metter Athena
clever wagon
The fuck is even going on with trusted chat this time 
pine star
balmy wolf
rapid oxide
spoilered at draw 
balmy wolf
i bet it was trash anyway
clever wagon
Ass
balmy wolf
call me when there's an interesting match 
forest raven
There's a full schedule for Season 1 of Contenders, isn't there?
rapid oxide
with all the ammount of good free agent
NRG can't fail this time
but it's NRG afterall... they will always fail
red anvil
would love to agree but NRG 
π°
rapid oxide
red anvil
balmy wolf
clever portal
supple nymph
toxic yacht
naisu
rapid oxide
now let's go back shittalking ow 
clever portal
Game is kill
supple nymph
uhh
clever portal
Can't shit talk 
supple nymph
cant think of anything else
solid spear
β
bitter remnant
its a mystery
solid spear
Toronto Esports 
bitter remnant
we will probably know by tuesday
clever portal
Chipmunks
solid spear
pine star
lmao