hard to really say
#esports-discussion
red anvil
clever portal
China had some 
players
red anvil
i was impressed with there gameplay
toxic yacht
I'd go as far as saying that they'd only make it out of groups A, B, H, E and maybe D
Those are 4,5/8 groups, but any team on Rogue, Sk level or whatever should make it out of every single group ez
solid spear
I look at them more in that Canada, UK, Russia, Japan group of teams as opposed to France, SK. TW level
wary falcon
Personally I quite like Rogue 
solid spear
I dont mind them
wary falcon
beating ded eu4 meme
but Reunited is my โ1
Also Rogue gave me biggest amount of money from betting
toxic yacht
I never thought that I'd ever like ReUnited more than Rogue, but here I am lul
I want muh old rogue back
versed gate
pine star
clever wagon
Oreo is secretly in on that circlejerk
But at least we can find relief that it's not the fake reformed Oreo
toxic yacht
OW IS DAED GAME
The amount of saltlords who want to see OW die 
The most hilarious thing is that a lot of them actually play ow
pine star
Most of them *
clever portal
You can't kill that what is already dead 
solid spear
Id rather you all hate me than be reformed
solid spear
Being reformed is ass
clever wagon
IT'S CREEPY
pine star
@solid spear you're ass
clever portal
Reformed Oreo 
pine star
clever wagon
Oh shit
I thought he was threatening us to become reformed once again
Sorry my eyes are a bit fucked recently
KonCha
solid spear
I'm not even good at being reformed I just become sarcastic
clever wagon
It's fine friend
Being someone who you're not is worse for yourself and everybody else BlessRNG
clever portal
๐ 
pine star
Toxic Oreo best Oreo
solid spear
Also I watched that Timo stream and everything he said was completely reasonable
imo
pine star
What'd he say?
solid spear
Just talking about how Tracer is the only dps you can carry on at high level, how she has no counters and how if people were as good as they were today pros probably would've been running mostly dive even last year
Which is probably all true
Reddit roasted him though
"Game is balanced around Tracer, Blizz personally told me lul"
clever portal
All true
But Reddit makes fun of him
Also, how is the game balanced around tracer
More like she is one of the few well designed characters
toxic yacht
Eh, under specific circumstances the same applies to widow, it's just that she's map dependent
clever portal
Who is typing
toxic yacht
Taimou is the perfect example, actually
true tide
I think people are just bored of him complaining when he doesn't get his own way.
"D.Va is garbage, should be deleted from game! QQ whaaa!"
Okay, but Mickey is the only reason you won Apex, and you still run him on D.Va constantly. Which is it?
balmy wolf
I think he just used the wrong word there
Probably meant D.Va is the most annoying thing to play against and should be deleted because fuck her
true tide
Pretty much yeah.
solid spear
Eh I enjoy Taimou streams cuz he's real and says how he feels anf doesn't and have some fake nice guy persona to get viewers
Idk
true tide
If he can't play the game without challenge, it's broken and cancer and should be nerfed.
solid spear
At least what hes been saying lateky is fair
clever portal
He still reformed his Twitter 
true tide
Lolol
solid spear
Yet reddit will just be lol Taimou thinks Tracer is the best dps in the game lol retard Taimou
balmy wolf
he's still right
wary falcon
Taimou is right
balmy wolf
If people think any DPS is better than tracer atm they're just silly billies
toxic yacht
atm
note the "atm"
how about we wait for a meta change?
then we can talk
atm taimou just sounds salty because he can't carry on cree/widow
toxic yacht
when cree was clearly the best dps
solid spear
He's also probably right when he says if people were as good back then as they are now they'd run more Tracer
toxic yacht
also, was he complaining about widow?
true tide
That's what bothers me @toxic yacht
toxic yacht
when she was fucking busted?
true tide
Yeah, he's not wrong, but when it's in his favour, he says nothing.
rapid oxide
can we stop assuming pros are right on everything?
toxic yacht
he's biased af and has no qualms hiding them in any way, shape or form
solid spear
The only time McCree was played at the level Tracer is now he was immediately nerfed and even at widows peak she was still somwhat map dependant
toxic yacht
imo taimou has an extremely deep understanding of the game and people really underrate his gamesense, but like
I think he's wrong here
he's letting his biases get in the way of his judgement
true tide
I really want him to take his break.
solid spear
Tracer by design will probably only be stronger as players get better
balmy wolf
The meta revolved around her
balmy wolf
And thats why the meta has never revolved around a sniper since
because it was FUCKED
wary falcon
snipers are un-fun for other players
toxic yacht
ngl, takeover 1 was when widow was op as shit
toxic yacht
I feel ashamed
balmy wolf
anyway i dont get this conversation what is it
toxic yacht
but I kinda enjoyed watching all of the widow
lul
watching a widow or more on both teams land sik shots definitely has it's appeal
true tide
This conversation is that Thighmou needs to take a break, and learn to hate the game less, or stop playing.
rapid oxide
^
balmy wolf
I don't think he will ever hate the game less really
true tide
I can feel his burnout, it is painful.
toxic yacht
he should just let surefour join nV and take a break
balmy wolf
unless blizzard buffs the heroes he plays which they wont
toxic yacht
surefour loves his tracer
rapid oxide
he likes tf2 more
toxic yacht
lol
solid spear
There's a lot of pros that don't enjoy the game as much and just aren't as vocal about it
rapid oxide
but moved because ow have more money and opportunity
solid spear
Taimou is very passionate about this game
rapid oxide
clockwork v2
toxic yacht
he still loves OW
true tide
I don't know why, TF2 is a shadow of itself.
smoky hinge
Timo basically spent like 2 hours on his stream talking about his expereince with the game
solid spear
People don't even watch him and just see negative things he says on Reddit and go annoying fat kid stfu lul
rapid oxide
i got my source and he likes tf2 more than ow
smoky hinge
Yeah lol
toxic yacht
OW just isn't a pure headclicking game
true tide
REALLY?! Wait, even after all the bullshit changes to TF2, he still likes it best?
solid spear
No
balmy wolf
i dont get all the taimou hate
solid spear
I don't know where thats coming from
true tide
2010 TF2 sure, even up until OW was released, sure. Now, that game is uttershit.
balmy wolf
dont think i ever will
true tide
Thighmou.
solid spear
Taimou isn't Seagull, he will whine complain and share his actual opinions and that tilts people
balmy wolf
i used to hate him then i just got over it
true tide
Ever since Thighmou, I just don't care for him.
rapid oxide
you can share your opinion without whine
balmy wolf
hating him for that lmao
rapid oxide
and calling ow a shit game
red anvil
i hold no respect for him
solid spear
He still loves the game lol
toxic yacht
ah, I was about to ask where your taimou hate went
lul
I could never hate him tbh
his positives outweigh the stupid shit he said and did to a too large degree imo
true tide
I don't hate him, I just think that was mega shitty. I can't imagine making a comment like that at my workplace and thinking that was normal and good.
solid spear
I appreciate people who are very passionate for the game
He whines as much as he does cuz he cares about the game being fun for him
rapid oxide
im more passionate than taimou
solid spear
Good job
balmy wolf
i just realised recently that i used to hate him and i couldnt remember why and i also couldnt remember why i stopped @toxic yacht
wait the fuck
true tide
But ultimately, I just think he's burnt out and needs to take like a seven week nap to just chill. He's got a lot to offer, just wrapped around lots of bitterness.
balmy wolf
who is soju
rapid oxide
not gonna "huehue ow shit game, pubg is better. i quit"
true tide
lolol, who did you @ Poleo?
rapid oxide
"i train csgo because it's better gaem"
solid spear
Yeah you'll just be a complete apologist at all times instead
rapid oxide
very passionate 
true tide
Who is whining?
rapid oxide
me
toxic yacht
his whining gets annoying, but I perfectly get it
true tide
Oh that's fair.
toxic yacht
like, I agree with a lot of his points
I just think that he lets his biases get in the way of his judgement too much
solid spear
Winston/D.Va shit on most dps lol of course hes not happy a lot of players aren't
rapid oxide
before was rein
solid spear
Hes just vocal
true tide
Man, you guys weren't kidding, Day 2 is 4-Overwatch.
toxic yacht
when mccree was everywhere it was fine though 
true tide
This is boooooooooorrrriiiinnnggg.
rapid oxide
pros will BabyRage on everything
toxic yacht
cree was clearly the best dps with no proper counters because you could protec him from diva and dva sucked
solid spear
McCree wasn't as omnipresent as Tracer has been for months
rapid oxide
now they cry mcree is not in meta and he's shit
solid spear
And whenever he got to that point he was nerfed
balmy wolf
ngl, at least in my opinion, when mccree was meta the game was great
true tide
Every team should just be Team South Korea and run Junkrat.
solid spear
I was watching then
toxic yacht
I loved discord
balmy wolf
even if he was used a lot
rapid oxide
previous meta is always better
balmy wolf
like this meta is fucking shit
rapid oxide
in a future we will cry about how dive was nice
rapid oxide
tank meta was shit too
balmy wolf
older metas are 100% better than these newer ones
rapid oxide
yet people now miss tank meta
toxic yacht
tracer is getting massively enabled by the current meta
balmy wolf
i dont miss it
true tide
Tank Meta was shit.
balmy wolf
both of them sucked
toxic yacht
cree was ran in fucking dives
like, legit
he was everywhere
never the wrong choice
rapid oxide
i like dive tbh
rapid oxide
i sorta liked tank too
true tide
Waiting for Symmetra meta. Then I can shine.
balmy wolf
40% discord meta was the best meta
true tide
That was pretty sexual.
rapid oxide
next year we'll miss dive. mark my words
balmy wolf
except god comp
solid spear
McCree wasn't a 80% usage hero ever after he got nerfed from McSnipe lol idk what you're on about
balmy wolf
true tide
I really liked beyblade.
solid spear
And he still got nerfed again
toxic yacht
the only nerf after mcsnipe was deadeye
because deadeye was fucking supid
free zoning every few seconds
lol
don't act like the nerf wasn't warranted
deadeye charges insanely fast
and you could zone for 8 seconds
before just cancelling it
and getting back 50
rapid oxide
best meta 
toxic yacht
like, don't act like you're not mega biased towards cree
cree wasn't even being super enabled
and he was still never the wrong choice
solid spear
Tracer just gets a pass all the time been the best dps in the game like all year
solid spear
And Im not biased towards McCree
toxic yacht
LUL
also, she has only been the undisputed best dps since what, march?
even then
people still ran triple tank
lol
solid spear
I have like 100 hours more on Tracer than McCree lol I love that hero
Doesn't mean anything
red anvil
40% discord? it was 50?
toxic yacht
50
solid spear
It was 50
toxic yacht
you people are acting live dive has been a thing since forever
it's literally been
5 months
at most
and even then people still ran rein
it only went full dive in june
during takeover 2
and people still ran rein in takeover 2
balmy wolf
in scrims dive was already prevalent around March
solid spear
5 months makes it the longest meta I can ever remember by a decent amount
solid spear
And it doesn't look to be stopping
solid spear
People weren't running full tanks after loke January
toxic yacht
LGE literally beat rogue on dorado using quad tank
in february iirc
rogue were super special because they were like, the only ones running dive and not triple tank
solid spear
Not everyone was playing triple tank then
toxic yacht
and again, it's only been exclusive dive since june
forest raven
LGE were the only team to take a map off Rogue in their debut OMM, yes
toxic yacht
I get that you hate dive
balmy wolf
people always overstate what they hates
toxic yacht
but no need
to invent numbers
I also fucking hated the tank meta with a passion
but I don't try to act like roadhog was mega op because he was always picked by being super enabled
balmy wolf
Oh how the mighty LGE has fallen
toxic yacht
jake is as consistent as hanzo
clever portal
Still probably the best player on the team
forest raven
Train is the not so secret carry of LGE
toxic yacht
jake himself can play pretty much everything though, so that's nice
toxic yacht
the thing is, he's not nearly on the level of someone like fl0w3r or tviq
lul
3 hours
clever wagon
Wonder what's 10 AM PDT in GMT+7
toxic yacht
clever wagon
My first assumption was 12 hrs behind (which makes it 10 PM on my end, Santa Monica Q started at 00 AM for the first 2 days on my end) since World Cup 3rd day qualifier usually starts earlier than the first 2 days since it's a Sunday
clever wagon
Hm
toxic yacht
also, shanghai day 3 started at the same time iirc
clever wagon
FeelsBad
toxic yacht
I'll stay strong
lul
tbh this is the best thing to come out of the "Tracer is op" taimou thing thread
clever portal
Effect and Mickie going to attack taimou
toxic yacht
effect and taimou gonna beat him in his sleep
taimou actually referred to them as "asian attack dogs"
lol
true tide
... no?
clever portal
Someone probably thinks that's racist
solid spear
@toxic yacht I never made up numbers and don't even think Tracer is "ridiculously op" just that Taimous gripes are legitimate and shouldn't be written off as lol just an idiot hes biased, crybaby reee
toxic yacht
he said it on stream at some point, don't think that effect and mickie minded
did I say that about taimou?
lol
solid spear
Tracers not even the problem with dive imo but I hate seeing shit ran 95% of the time
I never said YOU said it
toxic yacht
I said that you should take his complaints with a massive grain of salt
because he's biased as shit and doesn't hide it
then why were we even arguing? my point was that timo didn't complain when cree had no real counters and was never the wrong choice, so he could frag on him for 100% of a game and he still never complained
solid spear
I started this whole thing basically talking about how dumb reddit is when it comes to Taimou
toxic yacht
I just said that he's biased as shit against tracer and fucking hates her, so I don't agree with him
and used cree as an example
then it obviously slowly transitioned into a meta discussion
solid spear
I think Cree is a bad example cuz even during beyblade and discord meta he had half the usage Tracer does now
And McSnipe, fth versions everyone agrees were broken
And he got nerfed
toxic yacht
tracer was like, 20-30% usage
in her shit metas
she's only become omnipresent now
so yes, it is a functional example
in the tank meta she was D tier iirc
solid spear
I agree even though Tracer on average has veen a 40% ish usage hero
solid spear
I think there's Tracer bias though
toxic yacht
don't have the numbers right now
solid spear
Tracer and 76 hit C regularly during tanks
No other dps though
Lemme get MLG Vegas up one sec
toxic yacht
76 was B iirc
solid spear
toxic yacht
tracer barely hit C at times
if I recall correctly
although she was D for the most part
ya, barely hit C at times
toxic yacht
ah, okay
rapid oxide
totally op
toxic yacht
my bad
solid spear
Most the time
toxic yacht
that's still not really op then, lul
Cree was consistently
higher tier
until the 76 buff
and then dive
solid spear
McCree was C a lot
toxic yacht
same with tracer
solid spear
and people cried about 76 nerfs
toxic yacht
she's only gone full B-A and now S this spring
austere bolt
Huh what? Lucio once wasn't S tier?
solid spear
And he was C
toxic yacht
because he and mccree have overlapping roles?
solid spear
And still does lol
solid spear
Nerf didn't do anything
toxic yacht
lol
it's only the meta
cree gets shat on by dives
that's literally it
how about we stop diving and then we actually compare them?
before saying that soldier is objectively better
lul
people are forgetting how good burst damage is
reminder that rogue picked cree into triple support
solid spear
I mean I still think bomb charges too fast for what it does but that's really it
toxic yacht
because of his burst
austere bolt
Yup, helix rockets too good
solid spear
I'm not clamoring for Tracer nerfs
austere bolt
Lul
solid spear
But you can make a legitimate argument
toxic yacht
also
I'd argue
that the only reason why cree wasn't a 90% pick
was because the other metas
were all more flexible then this one
austere bolt
But the real question then is, what is op on tracer? What would you even change
toxic yacht
you could run dives/deathballs, and reaper was still good because zarya + old speedboost
balmy wolf
Tracer should never be out of C + low B tier imo
toxic yacht
imo that's literally the only reason why cree wasn't 90+
if reaper had been meh and dives hadn't been viable
you can bet that cree would have been everywhere
in discord
and he was super common anyway
balmy wolf
i just realised captain planet does make the nice looking graphs anymore https://www.overbuff.com/blog/2017-08-09-overwatch-hero-tier-list-and-meta-report-polandfist
:c
Tracer is really balanced. Again, it is the meta being shifted in her favor, not because the character was OP
same deal with Roadhog back in triple tank.
toxic yacht
wtf captain planet has no honour
balmy wolf
Do we want to really go down the same road now that Roadhog is dead?
toxic yacht
oh yeah, I also gave hog as an example earlier
since the cree one wasn't that accurate
hog is actually closer to tracer, now that I think of it
solid spear
Hog is a better example than McCree
toxic yacht
yee
but I mostly used cree
because taimou literally has a cree dakimakura
and the discussion started out with timo
good thing that taimou felt the most comfortable on hog, lol
balmy wolf
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6sufvq/jeff_kaplan_posted_some_vry_basic_stats_about_the/ and also, in comp Tracer is barely out of the bottom 10
solid spear
I think bomb charges a little too fast but that's it and even if that was changed it wouldn't make her played less lol
solid spear
At its core unless they touch Winston/D.va dive won't go
solid spear
It's not Tracer
toxic yacht
from dva
balmy wolf
"Mercy (by a HUGE long shot)"
austere bolt
All tracers miss half of their bombs anyway tbh. Even in the pro scene they miss them a lot
balmy wolf
toxic yacht
literally almost the entire current lineup gets oneshot by bomb
toxic yacht
and the way teams tend to group in dives
makes them more susceptible to pulse bomb
that, combined with 30 hps from zen
as opposed to ana's stupid high heals
and the lack of zarya barriers
balmy wolf
those stats jeff posted are just telling me i need to play sombra and bastion for max sr gains
solid spear
You still want my grandma nerfed too
toxic yacht
make pulsebomb stronger than it's supposed to be
solid spear
Sojum 
balmy wolf
anti heal can go suck oooone
spring lintel
You also want speed gone
balmy wolf
wat
toxic yacht
wat
solid spear
spring lintel
Tes
toxic yacht
people are gonna start whining about anti heal when ana is meta again anyway
mark my words
solid spear
I won't 
toxic yacht
that's because you wan fuk granma
solid spear
Nuuuu
balmy wolf
"maybe, thats not likely to change" -Overwatch Lead Hero Designer on Ana's biotic grenade anti heal effect, 2017
toxic yacht
yup
balmy wolf
toxic yacht
solid spear
Gud
toxic yacht
like, legit
in takeover 2
there were moments
when unkoe would use one nade
to kill an entire team
fucking ridiculous
lul
because everyone ran triple dps and no dva
just nade -> dive
solid spear
Ana/Zen I think will be more balanced if meta shifts a bit though
toxic yacht
literally a teamkill
zen is perfectly balanced imo, we didn't even need the spread buff
clever portal
Nade is needed
solid spear
Trans/sound barrier are the best ults in the game imo and they'll continue to be played
wary falcon
and contest of course
clever portal
Trans/healing is op
toxic yacht
tracers got better
much better
I'd argue that this meta has made tracers so good
that she won't only be a koth pick after it ends
wary falcon
tracer has winston support now
solid spear
I mean that's the point Taimou made Sojum
toxic yacht
I know the point that taimou made
solid spear
That players are so good now shell never leave
toxic yacht
but I still disagree
wary falcon
I don't know, it's hard to say about dive meta because even slightest tweak to winston barrier can kill it
solid spear
I can't see her not being at least low B even if meta changes
solid spear
Which I don't mind but
toxic yacht
of course she'll be good
balmy wolf
what did i do to deserve this slander
solid spear
I mean her being sub 80% if meta shifts is likely lol
wary falcon
by design
remember one man army?
toxic yacht
I'll go as far as saying C tier
wary falcon
๐
toxic yacht
hog salt
solid spear
Dps heros being 80%+ is rare
toxic yacht
this channel pisses me off a ton
so yes
I'll always call out the entire bloody place
whenever I was right
solid spear
Well Sojum has to deal with me cuz he didnt want me fucking reformed
wary falcon
space making sojum
toxic yacht
the best thing was how I instantly predicted exactly how sombra would be op when during fuckin blizzcon
admittedly, I didn't expect her cooldowns to be that inhibiting
but now that she was buffed, she's op due to exactly what I was saying
toxic yacht
like, the smugness I felt
when alwaysoov
said that sombra was broken
jeez, it felt so good
too bad that all of the people I was arguing with back in november aren't active anymore
clever portal
So no proof 
red anvil
all the people asking for sombra buffs 
solid spear
Me arguing with Sojum is an esports dicussion staple and always will be
wary falcon
i want to see her buffed but ult charge nerfed
solid spear
wary falcon
she reminds me of old ana
red anvil
i really dont want to see her buffed at all, her gun hurts af
solid spear
I know lol I do too
toxic yacht
ana during the discord meta was such a joke
red anvil
just gota be used close
solid spear
I'd nerf EMP by like 25% and make her gun less rng
toxic yacht
luckily everyone ran zen
solid spear
That's it
red anvil
idm grav
toxic yacht
those ults are basically "I win" buttons
wary falcon
Grav is fine but his charge rate is sad
toxic yacht
if your team isn't retarded
wary falcon
it needs to be nerfed
red anvil
but emp is silly
toxic yacht
moreso EMP than grav
solid spear
Grav at least is a slower win con
toxic yacht
since you can counter grav with trans
toxic yacht
pls
wary falcon
ask cantus
solid spear
You get 41 emps by the time you get grav
red anvil
you can counter grav with shields
clever portal
balmy wolf
apologise for calling me out >:c @toxic yacht
solid spear
Plus the best ults in the game are still sound barrier and Trans imo
wary falcon
Graviton has average charge rate, it's more about Zarya unstable damage
Zarya with 100% will get it really fast
toxic yacht
@balmy wolf I'm sorry bby you're the best person in this channel anyway โค
wary falcon
also it off torb turret
rapid oxide
sombra is balanced 
balmy wolf
ty honey bunny
toxic yacht
I don't see any way of changing it or whatever
its entire concept is this "I win" ult
and I'm already used to it, don't mind it that much
playing around it is also easier than EMP
solid spear
Thing is not even meming but like witj Sombra having like the 3rd lowest winrate in ranked and lowish usage they'll probably not touch her for a while
toxic yacht
you can also deflect/eat the ult
EMP is just pure "don't be in the LOS of the hero who can literally teleport/come out of invisibility right in front of your face"
which is bullshit imo
red anvil
cant buff sombra because she'll be op in pro scene, cant nerf sombra because she'll be underpowered in competitve 
toxic yacht
its stupid fast charge rate just makes everything worse
it's possible to nerf things for the highest level while buffing them for low levels
balmy wolf
I said after WC and Contenders S1 sombra will be picked up in ranked
and then nerfed
i stand by it
red anvil
imo they should half ult charge by health packs
toxic yacht
like how they did with reaper, made him better at high levels while keeping him the same at potato SR
or beta bastion
beta bastion was even more useless
at high levels
wary falcon
Heroes like Sombra can't be good in random matchmaking
balmy wolf
remote mine bastion was lit mate
red anvil
shes getting what now 25% ult charge from megas?
toxic yacht
than he is now
solid spear
I think he's worse now honestly
balmy wolf
a full mega gives her like 15-20
toxic yacht
so they buffed him for higher levels while making him less op for low levels
solid spear
At his niche
toxic yacht
I like bastion :P
but yeh, sombra's kit has enough versatility to nerf her at high levels
while making her better in ranked
I can see her being nerfed in a way that doesn't make her crap in mm
but they'd have to compensate
with something
red anvil
bastion is so crap except bronze and silver now
toxic yacht
if they really wanted that
but tbh I see nothing wrong with a hero who is shit in pubs but decent and balanced in pro play
blizzard obviously doesn't want that though
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
red anvil
when there is only 25 heroes, i would like as many as possible to be avaiable for all tiers though
toxic yacht
yeah, that's true
we only have 25 atm
dota can afford that because what, 105 characters?
lul
OW only has 25 with 3 being released per year
balmy wolf
113
red anvil
i dont like obnoixous situational ability design, i think junkrat will be the most hated hero if his 120 mines goes trough
toxic yacht
obnoxious situational heroes should stay niche
lul
at least blizzard understands that, but junk is probably too situational at high levels for them
solid spear
Junk is gonna be aids when he leaves PTR untouched
balmy wolf
Junk is going to be a 1v1 nightmare
toxic yacht
make his bombs work like demo and actually allow us to play in a way where we won't have to spam ๐ก
toxic yacht
that'd make him too hard for the poor goldies
clever portal
The meta reports confuse me
toxic yacht
I don't care if something is technically balanced, if he's AIDS to play against he can get the fuck out
solid spear
At the very least his mines should be like 100 if this is how they want him
clever portal
How does Junkrat playrate increase in bronze every week 
red anvil
like 1 second?
solid spear
Til the other disappears
red anvil
he sends you in air and throws another
balmy wolf
solid spear
Based on Emonggs comments though unless they actually do real scrimming and playtesting Blizz isnt going to listen to discord complaints
Which is somewhat fair I guess
toxic yacht
ya
clever portal
New junkrat is going to be 
solid spear
So they may actually send stuff to Blizz but unless they do PTR scrims they'll not change anything
Which is kinda their fault...unlucky doe
toxic yacht
I mean, I'm no pro player, so I'm probably just talking out of my ass
but I don't think that it's that impossible to just arrange a single scrimblock maybe twice a week or some nonsense to test out PTR changes
instead of streaming
or playing ranked
since pros also talk out of their asses a lot when it comes to PTR changes
solid spear
I mean we all do lol
solid spear
I really don't like the direction of his patch personally anyway but if the only thing people do is DM it won't matter
balmy wolf
i lovethis patch
red anvil
i like all of the updates except junkrat mines and 8 sec grapple, 10 secs would have been fine
toxic yacht
I don't like the widow buffs
red anvil
i also dont think the roadhog buffs are enough
solid spear
I like the mine thing only cuz that was a worthless ability but why does Widow need hook cd to be the same as a genji dash
Why should a sniper have that kind of mobility
red anvil
i agree its dumb tbh
red anvil
diving winston? let me just grapple away and watch him in his cute bouble
solid spear
8 second cd ability that starts as placed let's make it 500M tall
balmy wolf
it was hilariously small before though
i think widening it would have been enough though
red anvil
i think it's fair, it's so easy to peek over it
if you just get a tad bit of the high ground
wintry matrix
i liked the Orisa changes, unless the speed projectile makes her too much dmg
red anvil
seems they are trying new approch
wintry matrix
think of as a qol
red anvil
buff all characters that appear bad
toxic yacht
She was a good off-tank when playing vs slow-ass comps
solid spear
Also Sojum been seeing some highly upvoted Genji nerf threads on bnet be careful 
wintry matrix
if you think nerf genji is bad, take nerf tracer by taimou
clever portal
Everytime I look at r/overwatch: 
toxic yacht
Jeph has stated that they think he's in a very good place now though
clever portal
If we balanced Symmetra for the pros she would be op 
solid spear
All the dive heros are in a good place
red anvil
lets make symmetras beam 20m
true tide
Where is my Symmetra meta?
red anvil
no
clever portal
solid spear
In hell
clever portal
Come to bronze
wintry matrix
Symmeta best meta
toxic yacht
That was back in April, I don't think that much has changed since then though
balmy wolf
Symmetra needs to come back
red anvil
LH coach claimed there is room for a symmetra in meta in the future 
balmy wolf
Orbital Destruction was the best meta uncontested
toxic yacht
lul
solid spear
God comp 
clever wagon
solid spear
The Hog changes might make him OP
balmy wolf
no they wont
solid spear
red anvil
hog will still be shit
red anvil
if they wane resuce hog, make ult charge gained by shooting him half
solid spear
I hope they never introduce something like that
red anvil
ik
solid spear
Technically damage resistance is that
red anvil
but i dont feel its enough
solid spear
The don't want Roadhog to one shot 
balmy wolf
but doomfist is ok
red anvil
if you intruduce damage soaking, you also buffs healing
red anvil
4
balmy wolf
yeah well now doomfists punch is an actual free kill every 4 seconds
red anvil
who thought bringing a melee hero into the game was a good idea
solid spear
No no DF takes much skill to land right click, Hog was braindead OP
I mean Genji was melee only at one point and they said he was broken
clever portal
Tbh Melee is a good idea
Ignores all shields
Also could be good against DVa
The game needs more things like doomfist
solid spear
What Genji? No he was legit melee only in early phases
balmy wolf
The first comment
clever wagon
I shouldn't post this to the official forums, 'cause very few will be able to comprehend a video over 30 seconds with actual words
solid spear
Oh Im meming
balmy wolf
thank christ
solid spear
Old hog was my spirit animal
clever portal
I liked the comments when new hog came out
People need to get used to the new playstyle BabyRage
Now he has one of the lowest winrates in the game 
solid spear
Lol scrubs just mad you can't abuse your OP hero Hog finally balanced
Hog has the lowest winrate in the game
While being bottom 3 played
Meanwhile DF 62% winrate in gm
red anvil
his new gun is just so inconsistent
balmy wolf
one of the lowest winrate and pickrate
red anvil
i can be 3m from a target, shoot it point blank, sub 50 damage
clever portal
Inb4 they bring back old hog
solid spear
Heros dead as long as they refuse to let him one shot squishies
clever portal
But the casuals have forgotten
solid spear
It's that simple
balmy wolf
lmao no that was op as fuck
red anvil
YES
solid spear
clever portal
Delete only Pharah counter
solid spear
100 damage Ana. Faster rof pls
clever portal
Give Ana semi-auto
red anvil
fully auto
solid spear
Give her Soldier clip and rof
red anvil
give her bastions gun
clever portal
New meta
solid spear
Biotic assault rifle 
red anvil
pls
clever portal
People would beg for dive back 
red anvil
biaotic minigun
clever portal
DVa would be must pick
red anvil
grandma meta
solid spear
She's a good hero
clever portal
Implying Rein will come back
solid spear
Just Winston and D.Va lul
But they'll never be touched so don't worry
Widow buffs will end dive 
clever portal
You can see people who have been damaged by mine
So if you throw mine into a graviton
You can see everyone
solid spear
red anvil
lucio buff affected ana in a huge way
solid spear
I don't think it did
red anvil
dident reallyt have enough healing from him prior to that
solid spear
When Lucio got buffed, Ana was on her way out
red anvil
wasent really used much before that patch
solid spear
Who?
solid spear
clever portal
Twitter
balmy wolf
and for the first time in 18 months, once I get into those scrims Iโm longing for, I wonโt be playing alongside my better half TviQ.
I didnt really care for Misfits but this is really sad <:[
smoky hinge
:O
solid spear
Wew
wintry matrix
wait, so it implied that misfits leader ain't tviq?
solid spear
Harsha said their new team looks really strong but kinds wonky
blazing parrot
vestal mortar
๐ญ
balmy wolf
smoky hinge
Man
clever portal
blazing parrot
so hes still a sub
solid spear
No
solid spear
Hes gone
blazing parrot
active roster
wintry matrix
technically yes, but he choose to leave
toxic yacht
When duoing with tviq
solid spear
Skip trying to steal his job back
blazing parrot
cwoosh and tviq duo is so funny lol
balmy wolf
Skip gonna go full cricle
clever wagon
And the ghost of old Rogue continues to haunt the hearts of its fans even more
clever wagon
As they long for the glorious return of the roster, full of greatness and life
balmy wolf
solid spear
Wonder what the new roster is
clever wagon
Dude
solid spear
It's not all swedish
vestal mortar
Old Rogue ๐ข
wintry matrix
well, in new misfits in only half-care about tviq and reinforce
solid spear
@toxic yacht I don't wanna know how much space hed create on Monkey 
clever wagon
I have to admit there's no team in the west right now that looks as solid as they did
wintry matrix
maybe IMT?
solid spear
Oh yeah a Taimou hot take from yesterday
wintry matrix
for that they have Kariv
clever wagon
Not pure western thoroughbred m8
wintry matrix
"from scrims" which means very little
balmy wolf
Rogue -winz +kolsti knoxxx tank -> lucio
solid spear
Well what else would it be from they haven't played lately lul
balmy wolf
solid spear
Contenders this week 
wintry matrix
i know, but we all also know that scrims rarely means much, unless in the WC where KR stomped everyone
blazing parrot
wintry matrix
which will probably happen in blisscon
clever wagon
Old Rogue was the majesty that was the western purity
wintry matrix
the only way it can become worse is if Runaway separates again
toxic yacht
Rogue should never have split up :(
In retrospect, thy were my favourite team, like, ever
solid spear
I wonder what the new lineup is though its apparently strong
solid spear
If Cwoosh were to Monkey then it would explain why he called it wonky