everything in katowice was mostly a hard sweep by the opposing team
#esports-discussion
smoky hinge
toxic yacht
i dislike this emphasis on scores
the games aren't that stompy this stage
also, defensive widow?
interesting
barrier?
well, it worked
he got a refund lol
toxic yacht
trans?
eh, it got some value
I don't like taht they're commiting
yup, wasted a bunch of ults
supple nymph
germany vs belgium ResidentSleeper
toxic yacht
why
commit
I don't understand this, they keep commiting to fights they have no way of winning
clever portal
Don't want to go to Blizzcon lul
toxic yacht
apparently
lol
it feels like ranked where people don't know when to pull out of 2CP
clever portal
Nesh Kreygasm
wary falcon
also there was guy who asked about Senpai (Belgium) SR
it was around 4100 last time i was with him in game
toxic yacht
2-0, looks like it's gonna be 3-0
clever portal
Spree and Logix in elo hell
feral solar
smoky hinge
spring lintel
the crowd
wintry kraken
so, how does zen jumps ? ๐
solid spear
Aktm the only nice 4.0k player 
wary falcon
honestly i didn't know Aktm before WC
toxic yacht
thicc sticc
wary falcon
all i knew - japanese scene is small and in a bad state
solid spear
I was shocked when I heard he was like legit 4-4.1k he was so good in WC
Unless he just had the games of his life or something
wary falcon
Ta1yo was crucial for Aktm perfomance
he was creating space like cwoosh but without wasting blade
toxic yacht
solid spear
._.
wary falcon
they are playing for a like 10 minutes?
i really want to see Ta1yo and Aktm in next Apex season
toxic yacht
4-0verwatch bois
wary falcon
and Flash Wolves
wary falcon
they can change rules
wary falcon
in my opinion Apex without non-korean teams is quite bleak
toxic yacht
I feel like a lot of views are gonna drop
apex kind of does kill foreign teams though
lul
so I guess that's a good thing about them not going anymore?
wary falcon
new hero hype in dota?
wary falcon
apex kind of does kill foreign teams though
not a 20kk price?
there is no way to improve for Rogue/EnvyUs without Apex (competition with top korean teams)
they are simply too good for NA/EU
clever portal
They'll improve in OWL
hallow fable
ild aurgue its more of the fact theres hasent been enough torunys
clever portal
When there'll be a Seoul team
wary falcon
not enough tournaments leads to lack of good teams
a lot of good eu players stopped playing competitively
clever portal
Hulk melee only Sombra
toxic yacht
I don't know wtf germany was expecting
gilded zinc
Yo, I'm going to the group stage TMR! Any tips for what to do/bring?
clever portal
Bring some markers
clever portal
You need to make a poster
clever portal
Prepare your meme before you go
smoky hinge
I lined up for two hours to get merch only to find out the merch store was card only and my debit card was empty and I only had cash
toxic yacht
aaand they fucked it up
feral solar
clever portal
Throw
smoky hinge
wtf is Crnkz doing?
clever portal
They were holding ultra
smoky hinge
constantly trying to stop the push by himself with a blade in a 1v6 situation
clever portal
Didn't expect to get rolled at the end
wary falcon
first TI without Gaben and his "welcome to international"
smoky hinge
eh, gg
wary falcon
BibleThump
toxic yacht
oh hey, they didn't throw
gilded zinc
Trying to prepare a meme for poster lulz
smoky hinge
also, you paid 60$ and you are only going for one day?
gilded zinc
I'm not from la, could only make it down for one day
solid spear
Aye people are busy
smoky hinge
gg
gilded zinc
Wanted to buy Sunday ticket but sold out
smoky hinge
all 4-0s today smh
gilded zinc
Got rly lucky and bought two refunded Tix two days ago
smoky hinge
o you could only buy threeday passes for sydney
toxic yacht
4-0verwatch
smoky hinge
lul
toxic yacht
they should really spectate nesh more
clever portal
EZ game
smoky hinge
ye
toxic yacht
gg was close
smoky hinge
burnt nimbus
What if UK throws tomorrow so they can play againts USA?
burnt nimbus
sure?
toxic yacht
yes
burnt nimbus
why do you think that?
wary falcon
Taiwan = Flash Wolves
solid spear
Well see
toxic yacht
Taiwan is Flash Wolves, who won the OPC recently and regularily scrim vs apex teams
while USA is a mix
smoky hinge
It's so hard to understand his thick swedish accent
toxic yacht
a really good mix
but like, I can pretty confidently say that they aren't gonna win
it won't be stompy
I say 3-1 for Taiwan
2-2 maybe
and there's a pretty small chance for a USA win
if they win it'll be 3-1
clever portal
toxic yacht
if it's a 2-2 tiebreaker, I'm gonna see
clever portal
That nesh clip
wary falcon
i rate taiwan as 3rd strongest team in WC
right after Rogue and SK
can't see them losing to USA though
hallow fable
10am pst still tommrow, right?
supple nymph
KRUISE CONTROL
solid spear
haters
smoky hinge
wait, it started 9am pst today?
toxic yacht
toxic yacht
pst is 9 hours behind me iirc
smoky hinge
I need that T-mobile unlimted plan
smoky hinge
It's like 8am for me, started around 3am
toxic yacht
woke up at 3 am for day 3 of the sidney stages
actually I woke up at 2 am, didn't know of the fucking tv broadcast delay shit though
burnt nimbus
woke up? when it was 3 am for in the first group stage I just stayed up
toxic yacht
stay strong
warm vapor
6am seems like China/Singapore
solid spear
6AM for Apex 
clever portal
I think he's from Siberia
toxic yacht
apex is normally when I'm at school
have to watch matches without sound/outright skip them
burnt nimbus
Apex is always when I'm sleeping, and it never happens during days I dont have school
wary falcon
i am from Eastern Siberia which is good for OW betting
smoky hinge
Oh Apex is like from 8pm for me
smoky hinge
Sydney is only an hour ahead of Seoul iirc
burnt nimbus
just ask the teacher to have the whole class watch it
toxic yacht
seol is 8 hours ahead of CET during winter, which means that it's + 9 GMT during winter and +8 during summer
+10 for sydney sounds pretty accurate, but I may be wrong
smoky hinge
My teacher is a aff blue fanboy
toxic yacht
lul
clever portal
Arhan fan?
turbid imp
Hey guys I missed todays group stage anyone want to give me the final scores?
turbid imp
Aww Israel lost all four?
clever portal
Yes
turbid imp
Is today the lsat day till blizzcon?
solid spear
Matches nor classes should be skipped
wary falcon
no
solid spear
But rather combined
clever portal
They play tomorrow
turbid imp
What's the line up for this group stage?
solid spear
Reminder that Israel could ve had a chance at 2nd in the group if Kafeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee stayed on the point and backcapped yesterday
warm vapor
Oh yes. I noticed that yesterday and I was so confused
pale sedge
Who won, the qualifying matches 2day?
pale sedge
Interesting, thanks
toxic yacht
Tomorrow should have really good matches
clever wagon
Hm
clever wagon
What
So UK will undoubtedly top group H I suppose
G still has US and Taiwan to decide
solid spear
I still stand by what I said a couple weeks ago about USA and Flash Wolves both making Blizzcon
tomorrows match between em should be interesting I think though
wintry matrix
they're already qualified
solid spear
no one is qualified
wintry matrix
Brazil 
solid spear
unless youre just talking about the playoff
wintry matrix
yeah, i'm confused
wintry matrix
i dunno, i think UK just needs to tilt Sinatraa and Jake
solid spear
I think US beats UK if they end up playing
balmy wolf
@wary falcon how do you see TI7 final going?
solid spear
Israel is eliminated
now
wary falcon
First map was heavy outdraft by Liquid, literally 0 chances Newbie to win after first 5 minutes
Second map was outdraft by Liquid, Newbie had chances in uber-late stage
Third map is outdraft by Newbie but their line-up will lose their power after 40 minute mark
If Liquid won't fail in macro game they will win 3rd game
and 3:0 to Liquid
right after day of 4-0verwatch
wary falcon
I mean first map was like 100% for Liquid, because newbie line-up didn't have any late game heroes
while Liquid had 3
Newbie needed to get like 20 kills in first 20 minutes then snowball all lanes and make a mega-creeps
and they went full retard 0:3 in first 3 minutes
clever wagon
Realzx doesn't seem to be peeling for Boombox properly
wary falcon
30 mins mark atm
their potential to win is limited already
wary falcon
(Newbie made unbalanced picks, 1 game: only early game, 2 game: only late game, 3 game: only push)
2nd worst TI grandfinal right after TI4
true tide
I'm on map 2 of the USA vs Brazil game.. and it is a bloodbath? Without spoilers, were there any good WC games today?
solid spear
no
true tide
Like even? Or were they just stompy stomps?
true tide
Shit wow.
solid spear
Sinatraa makes me wet tbh
true tide
It's actually unfun to watch. Illios doesn't even seem fair.
balmy wolf
@wary falcon any resource for DOTA2 newbie?
clever wagon
@solid spear Blizz listens to those people ๐๐ป
solid spear
they usually do 
wary falcon
they are done pretty much
solid spear
@clever wagon if they keep going at it for a month or two maybe theyll keel him
clever wagon
You'd think the casual monkeys would know better than to fucking read and upvote some bitch with the name TROLLTORB
solid spear
Genji too stronk he jump round round and slice me
I just found it funny how it got mass upvoted
balmy wolf
with 10 millions in the pocket
prize pool
wary falcon
GH was playing in PC Bangs because he didn't have ability to play at home
balmy wolf
GH?
balmy wolf
naisu
balmy wolf
where's their KR coach?
blazing parrot
champagne bottles in esports 
champagne bottles in esports champagne bottles in esports champagne bottles in esports
solid spear
Kyo pls
wary falcon
it's quite cringe
wary falcon
Kuroky refused to drink, Miracle tried to protect himself with Aegis and others failed to open bottles
only slavic guy know how to do this
you can see experience
wary falcon
Matumbaman is finnish
it explains his emotions
Miracle is just shy
gh and kuroky cried after win
HAHAHA
clever wagon
U wot
wintry matrix
smex is prob worse at dva
clever wagon
But he's the flex
I have no fucking idea how such a fucking dumb hive mind that is the official forum exists
wintry matrix
i mean, in r/cow there's a 1000 upvote post based on fucking taimou saying bs about balance
wintry matrix
i only remember him being a decent tracer at faze
blazing parrot
you also missed brazil make liko play dva
clever wagon
I mean, the idea of "high SR chat/forums only (2500+)" is becoming more and more appealing by each post
blazing parrot
when he was carrying on genji
balmy wolf
Mike is an incredible Pharah and his tracer is getting better
clever wagon
@blazing parrot me?
blazing parrot
yes
clever wagon
...
wary falcon
Is he better than Sdb as pharah?
blazing parrot
liko was carrying literally
clever wagon
I watched all matches except for Israel vs Germany up to last night lul
blazing parrot
and they made him play dva for a little bit 
clever wagon
Well, up to UK was about to start when it was 2:27 AM for me
balmy wolf
Yeah probably @wary falcon
clever wagon
@blazing parrot I watched all those I mentioned above. I just don't bother with Brazil anymore
clever wagon
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
blazing parrot
what are tomorrows matches?
solid spear
@clever wagon Smex is a better 76 than Kruise so if they wanna run 76/Tracer thats what they do
you occasionally see Kruise play D.Va for Eunited for the same reason
blazing parrot
US vs Taiwan
UK vs Germany
Israel vs Belgium
Brazil vs NZ
cant wait for the first match ๐
solid spear
I honestly only expect 1 or 2 of those to be competitive
blazing parrot
sadly probably going to miss it
solid spear
that first match will be spicy though
blazing parrot
i heard cantus is a boosted mercy main
solid spear
thinking 3-1 at least for Israel
Cantus isnt like masters or anything like people act like he is
but yeah he abused 6 stacking to get rank 1
solid spear
Evermore is a better,more respected player so he didnt get as much shit
and he wasnt on Mercy
blazing parrot
balmy wolf
There's a difference between 6 stacking and carrying that six stack and 6 stacking and having that 6 stack carry you
blazing parrot
yes
balmy wolf
he probably was trying to get some "attention" with his post
clever wagon
Did Evermore exploit comp down-time?
balmy wolf
not really
solid spear
idr
balmy wolf
Evermore's Hog is pretty good
clever wagon
There you go
balmy wolf
tfw we never see Hymzi vs Evermore 
solid spear
I just know he 6 stacked to 5k but hes not boosted so obviously wassnt gonna get as much shit
balmy wolf
If you were a really good hog it was easy to climb
wary falcon
Evermore abused stacks too
solid spear
he did yes
blazing parrot
lol rip
balmy wolf
sure he probably wouldnt have gotten 5k SR solo queue but still
clever wagon
And he's in Korea, so the average performance of ranked is still higher than OCE that you can rarely call it "farming diamond and lower"
balmy wolf
^
wary falcon
but he was playing with pro players against just bunch of GM
balmy wolf
if he is stacking but play against top 500 KR, then it is fair game tbh
wary falcon
while Cantus was playing with plebs against diamonds
clever wagon
Dude, if the Korean GMs ain't complaining about it, I'm not gonna
wary falcon
i watched Evermore streams when he was x6 stacking
solid spear
they complained
wary falcon
it was stomp most of the time
and yes they were complaining about stack
this is why i watched evermore stream
solid spear
like there were Evermore complaints but like I said people just respect him as a player more
so he didnt become a meme
he wouldnt have gotten 5k sr but he wasnt farming diamonds in a 6 stack as Mercy
balmy wolf
Cantus playing as Mercy is also infinitely more shittable than Roadhog
since Mercy is literally all support and nothing else
solid spear
can never forget that Dafran, Silk, Space stack when they just had the top 3 guys in NA lul
wary falcon
what was his winrate in s3?
solid spear
early season 4
solid spear
53-2 yeah
with 3 ties
and he abused it hard no ones saying he didnt
50% winrate this season
trying to play Hog in season 5 
sullen berry
balmy wolf
Season 5 Challengers*
balmy wolf
OW Open League integration 
no OW Open League integration for NA/EU
Feelsbadman
Open Divison*
points still stand
rapid oxide
But you can win blizzard balance 
balmy wolf
so much for Jeff's "buffing other regions"
Asia getting all the good LAN leagues
meanwhile NA/EU got shits on their plate
acoustic kelp
taiwan vs USA who wins?
balmy wolf
Taiwan
if team US can't win against Taiwan
they might as well not bother trying against SK
hallow fable
I think it will go 3/2 tommrow.
acoustic kelp
I mean SK is miles ahead of everyone no
now
its all bout 2nd place imo
Maybe we can beat France first
balmy wolf
not really. 
is the closest to an SK-lite as you can in this tournament. They plays exactly how a mid tier APEX team would
acoustic kelp
I missed both Taiwans games are either worth watching?
balmy wolf
if you want to see clean, suffocating OW, then yes
hallow fable
if you liek facerolls yes.
acoustic kelp
ah i see
hallow fable
same for the us
balmy wolf
either way, if Team USA can't win convincingly against , then don't bother trying to win against SK
hallow fable
hey, im just hoping a team takes a map off SK at somepoint.
acoustic kelp
@hallow fable yeah I have a bet with friend that theyll go undefeated. not 1 map dropped
balmy wolf
it is almost unfair how KR got APEX seasons back to back with Challengers and a lively competitive scene
meanwhile NA/EU got shit on their plate
and you wonder why the Asia region suddenly is stronger than NA/EU
hallow fable
i dont know, theres arguably more of a challange for them this year
they got stronger cus they actually have tournys
we dont
balmy wolf
i know @hallow fable
i coach a tier 2 team and we have been only doing weeklies while the top tier teams take a break since you know, no tourny to play
no talent pipeline either
there's no integration between OW Open Division through to OWL
meanwhile in KR OW Open Division can land you a spot to APEX Challengers
and thus to APEX itself
hallow fable
I thought that was the whole point in open devision
balmy wolf
first season of Open Division has nothing in term of leading to Contenders
everyone is playing for Blizz bucks
and teams that worth their competitive salt just straight up not even bother with it
so only casual 6 stacks and low tier teams play
hallow fable
and why is it called contenders if you cant contend for the owl..
they done a shit job of explain this.
balmy wolf
well, the talent pipeline is supposedly OW Open to Contenders to OWL
but in NA/EU
the scene is borked
since they centralized in The O.W
and you need to suck a lot of dicks to get a spot
since literally just people knowing each others
while the new talents has to grind a long time to even get notice
acoustic kelp
i think the thought process is that if you ball out as a player in open division you can parley that to a OWL tryout
acoustic kelp
or am i naive?
balmy wolf
that's the plan, but in actuality it is very unrealistic
because like I said, The O.W
In later seasons of the Open Division the top teams from playoffs will go to Contenders
where all the Western competitive scene centralize
and then Contenders to OWL
hallow fable
What i liked abotu contenders season 0, was the teams i neverheard of, owning nrg and the likes.
forest raven
Brad from Selfless has replaced Seamoose
balmy wolf
Doesnt matter if they have a new coach or bought a league spot
They've been a bad team for a long time
solid spear
I mean there are 2 players officially
balmy wolf
ironically, both IDDQD and Harbleu are remnant of an OW past
both of them haven't performing or even bother to perform that well ever since their acquisition
feral solar
are they expecting harb to play zarya only?
forest raven
Harb's 2 best heroes have been dumpstered for the past few months and only now is Zarya becoming slightly more relevant
Hog is dead as a doorknob
feral solar
exactly
when i used to watch his streams he used to play a tiny bit of tracer and pharah
acoustic kelp
even PTR hog?
feral solar
but they werent amazing
balmy wolf
and also as much as IDDQD have been able to stay relevant by pulling a Seagull, he is not cutting out to be a tier 1 DPS anymore.
solid spear
PTR Hog is still bad
forest raven
idd couldn't perform because Dummy and Ajax couldn't properly support the playstyle and he was getting focused to hell and back because he never had a top tier dps partner
balmy wolf
the new Hog is tankier and more annoying to play against but still an ult battery
casuals will still complains to him though
new Hog in deathmatch is just annoying. Big mass of 600 HP that can walk and heal
basically a fat version of 76
he just does nothing in DM
never gets kills or gets killed
wintry matrix
DM looks annoying in general
forest raven
Tracer and 76 are gonna dominate FFA I imagine
balmy wolf
and you get less ult from him
wintry matrix
like, remember when 3x3 was always fucking mercy road soldier?
balmy wolf
So far McCree is very prominent
forest raven
Really?
solid spear
McCree and DF are so free
solid spear
If you're good
clever wagon
Twitter
forest raven
True
clever wagon
Jake stop
balmy wolf
DF is just OP so of course he's used a lot aswell
forest raven
McCree has nada survivability compared to 76 and Tracer tho
balmy wolf
also, burst down potential of McCree is really good anyway. 3 shots and everyone is toasted. Meanwhile the map is right around his range so no drop off
oneshots are easy as pie in that tight map
forest raven
That is a good point actually
solid spear
Doesnt matter
You don't lose points for deaths
And good McCrees will rack up kills fast
forest raven
I'm gonna play the fuck outta FFA with McCree and Widow tbh
solid spear
Flash makes him top tier
balmy wolf
ive just been playing whatever i feel like and i finish top 3 like 90% of the time
clever wagon
Mccree in dm is fun
balmy wolf
i even won a game as bastion
some characters in DM is kind of unsuitable for it tbh. Zarya, Winston is not strong enough. Sombra is potential OP cheese, while Orisa can just literally camp on one side of a mega and fire shots on people.
solid spear
Tracer is pretty good but you have to finish your food people steal kills a lot
McCree you'll finish kills
Games with multiple Sombras suck so much cuz of packs
clever wagon
Top 3 is counted in for lootbox reward in ffa right
solid spear
Top 4
balmy wolf
also @forest raven i'm not convinced at this point that Ajax and Dummy was the problem. Yes, they played badly, but 
as a whole play like a bunch of headless chicken.
playing tank in a dive meta 
clever wagon
Thats... very lenient
clever wagon
Any ok mccree will spam top 3 in ffa
balmy wolf
hell Quake FFA is 50 kills
forest raven
The support line is also the backbone of a team, more than any other role imo. Yes every role affects every other role but I think healers affect the other two the most
clever wagon
Well
balmy wolf
yeah, but during the OMM the whole team just looked lost.
forest raven
Mhm
balmy wolf
to quote some guy in The O.W
what's the point of a coach when they just going up the stair of Numbani 3 fucking times in a row?
clever wagon
Its a fact in OW that statistically most teams' backbone are either supports or tanks
forest raven
Who was the coach before Seamoose?
balmy wolf
Seamoose tried to get the team into shape but the damage has already been done at that point.
@forest raven no one.
forest raven
Wasn't it oPlaiD?
balmy wolf
and i thin that's already when Seamoose was in
forest raven
Or someone like that
clever wagon
Derrick "I ran TSM OW to the ground" Truong
balmy wolf
@forest raven yes, but way back in NGE Winter Premiere
forest raven
Ah
balmy wolf
and no, he is the GM
clever wagon
Not saying its him
balmy wolf
but apparently according to Scribe
clever wagon
I just meme
balmy wolf
has a platinum technical coach
who failed at TSM
and it is not Truong
so .......
maybe Brad will turn it around
clever wagon
Lets start the witch huntttt
balmy wolf
but is not a winning org.
clever wagon
balmy wolf
is a winning org. just isn't
they just won TI7 and pocket 10 millions USD while literally every esports touched is a massive downer
excluding Rocket League, of all places.
10.8 mil in the pocket
clever wagon
Does NRG have any team in the other 3 major esports?
clever wagon
Ye
balmy wolf
they flunked out of League after their team relegated
CSGO team is a joke even in NA
DOTA....they has no presence in DOTA
forest raven
It might be Stockholm Syndrome but I love Harb too much to be pessimistic about NRG
forest raven
His hero pool is unfortunate
wintry matrix
Zarya is coming back tho isn't?
solid spear
Eh
forest raven
Slowly
clever wagon
Well, apart from grav theres no change
wintry matrix
then again, it doesn't look good about a player with such a small hero pool
forest raven
Rein buffs help her
clever wagon
Grav doesnt necessarily change your playstyle
forest raven
But dive is still stronk
solid spear
Dive is still the dominant comp
balmy wolf
Zunba 
Zarya/Rein is more applicable in third point and selective first point
but if you can't dive
๐ซ
it certainly is stronger but dive will still be the main meta
solid spear
Envy/Fate/Kariv keep hunting idd and solo ulting
forest raven
idd even gets focused to shit in ranked 
hallow fable
dont all well know players?
forest raven
Sometimes
solid spear
He won 
forest raven
Ayy
balmy wolf
so tmr
clever wagon
The cheaters were ranks 8 and 25 at that time
forest raven
Taiwan
solid spear
balmy wolf
would be funny if 4-0 US though
solid spear
Wouldn't be surprised with either winning even though most people think FW will win
balmy wolf
if i can't mock Slasher for top 4
I can at least mock team US for thinking that they can beat SK
clever wagon
What are u supposed to do as the players smh
forest raven
I mean everyone's gonna outwardly say they could take stronger teams
clever wagon
"They too good, we cant beat them" going in with that mentality?
balmy wolf
there's confidence
and there's tempting fate
"we are confident that we can bring the best of us vs SK" is confident
"we are going to beat SK" is just famous last word
solid spear
I think you cares too much, teams will have show confidence even if they secretly think they'll lose no ones gonna say yeah were getting rolled lol, especially when you're trying to inspire your country
balmy wolf
Mind you, my view is echoed by IMT's current head coach
clever wagon
That is still not marketing yourself to your fans well when thats what you're supposed to do
balmy wolf
an important part about trash talk is the ability to back it up
if you can't, you risk being Hafficool
or Cantus
forest raven
Cantus never shittalked being able to beat other teams though
clever wagon
So any sentence that includes marketing yourself being able to "defeat" is trash talk now?
forest raven
Somehow I think that's sarcasm
balmy wolf
he probably is being sarcastic. Won't earn him any less mocking though.
mocking and scorn knows no bound.
@clever wagon it is in the way of how you word it
personally I just avoid making any grandiose statement that can be mock afterward
things like "The Titanic is unsinkable" is a huge no no for me
clever wagon
Its not even said in a trashtalking or bm manner
doubt anybody actually took any offense from it
clever wagon
Boombox(was it him? Forgot) even showed he managed to escape pulse bomb radius as zen
balmy wolf
her ult does have a global audio
Bombs away! is her phrase
but since her ult can be cast so quickly
sometimes people can't reac
clever wagon
From the Winstons lab article about KyKy's USA roster drafting, we can conclude Sinatraa is not a toxic teammate
balmy wolf
@rain sage watching or playing?
@clever wagon from all account he is professional in a team setting. Didn't stop my coach from having a grudge against him tho
gotta get gud first.
not Master gud
like 4.2K level of gud first
clever wagon
Lol what grudge
Get top 100 or so if you want easier scouting
Esp with Open Division being what it is as of now
balmy wolf
seems like during comp off stream he is an ass
clever wagon
I've watched his stream numerous times
Not really imo, unless that ranked teammate he's matched with is one of those terrible ones
He's generally chill
Oh but off stream
That idk
rapid oxide
Twitter
balmy wolf
xd
burnt token
is there somewhere we can see apex schedule or when is the apex tourtament next game and which teams are playing?
burnt token
thank you
wary falcon
her ult does have a global audio
a lot of people can't hear tracer ult
they see it only in kill feed
true tide
Where?
balmy wolf
On reddit i assume
true tide
Reddit is kind of big..
burnt token
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6t9eqh/taimou_on_stream_if_blizzard_made_overwatch_with/ may be that but cant find anything about liquid on it
true tide
Thanks @An innocent Kiwifruit#0199!
I saw that this morning. There was a thread a few days a go, that I'm sure was positive about Blizzard balancing around not pros because it brings in veiwers.
wary falcon
So Liquid have the money for OWL now?
If i'm not mistaken Liquid won't get money from TI
but anyways Liquid have money for OWL, they just decided to not give it a try
Liquid/C9/Faze/VP
they are really rich
balmy wolf
Why wont Liquid get any money from the tournament they just won
wary falcon
I didn't know their contracts
but money usually distributed between players, coach, analytics and manager
sometimes org cut % from winnings
balmy wolf
That sounds pretty heinous to me
wary falcon
for example EG cut 10% from winnings
clever portal
So they were surprised by OWL 50% figure
wary falcon
And also taxes
Anyways 1KK for a player afterall is crazy good
considering their salary around 20K
balmy wolf
1kk?
wary falcon
1kk is minimum imo, i don't know their %
balmy wolf
why and how
clever portal
They don't get paid 200k like CS?
wary falcon
maximum salary in esports is 25K USD
balmy wolf
if 1k is one thousand why would adding another k make it 1 million
clever portal
Jackie people earn more for sure
wary falcon
1000 * 1000 = 1 000 000
clever portal
I think Taimou makes 4k a month?
wary falcon
i heard about 3k-4k for EnvyUs team
clever portal
And he plays ded game lul
clever portal
You mean 25k a month?
wary falcon
CS:GO ~ 25K
yes
from our discord channel
feels crazy to see how 20+ players started to play Paladins because launched 3.5K monthly tournament in CIS
rapid oxide
horrible ti
wary falcon
GF was terrible, Liquid - LFY and VP matches were amazing
wary falcon
5kk max viewership
TI6 had 5.7kk
take it with a grain of salt
because you know
chinese viewership
rapid oxide
Also i think they are inflated like thr one of LoL world
5m are included people that join 1 sec and leave
I'm more interested on peak views
wary falcon
it's much more inflated due to bots
rapid oxide
Chinese ow got 1m views iirc lul
rapid oxide
rapid oxide
Only 500k?
wary falcon
clever portal
Chinese streaming sites have good emotes
rapid oxide
Csgo got 1m
clever portal
Twitch needs to catch up
rapid oxide
Dota ded esport 
wary falcon
CS:GO got 1kk because of people like me
i was watching Major with 11 accounts
Also fun fact: Resolution is going to give 50% of his winning to Chappie
https://www.reddit.com/r/DotA2/comments/6tciuc/props_to_icefrog_and_his_team_for_balancing_the/
when we will have same thread about how well Kaplan balance OW?
clever wagon
Just watched the Birdring interview with Akshon
"I think Doomfist's greatest asset is being able to kill out of nowhere"
wary falcon
HOG
OP
clever wagon
I mean shit, not even Roadhog could right click to get a free kill and uppercut + seismic slam to escape 
clever portal
I mean 1.0
wary falcon
opened few SCAR storms (0.03$) instead of dragon lore
clever wagon
The only thing that would make sense for Roadhog hook is for it to not break when hooking an enemy that was initially not out of LoS
wary falcon
expected
rapid oxide
Without skin, csgo would be dead
But imo
Game like csgo or rl or fighting game will have more success than moba in the long run
clever wagon
Give it to Valve to somehow give real dollar value to digital skins
wary falcon
i tried to calculate how much money Gaben stole from me
went mad after 3k usd and dropped it
rapid oxide
Moba esport are famous because are thebmost played game, not because it's easy to pickup
true tide
I told myself that I would never buy keys for boxes. Especially in TF2, I mean hats are dumb right? Hahahaha.
I am weak.
versed gate
Anyone got $20 million? Asking for a friend
wary falcon
So OWL spot is 20kk?
balmy wolf
One spot is a little under 20 million
wary falcon
I thought it's a max price
balmy wolf
wary falcon
Tempo Storm's Reynad: 'To buy an LCS spot plus a roster was going to cost me $1.5 million'
from LoL
red anvil
depends on the location
rapid oxide
Pretty sure no one would buy a spot in Italy and im sure it won't cost that much
clever portal
Italian overwatch
Atleast the rumor articles claim that everyone has paid 20 million
versed gate
only EU spots will be places like london/paris probably
i think london is already a confirmed city spot
vestal mortar
Indeed, only London right now
versed gate
im legit hoping mexico city is a city spot in the near future
vestal mortar
Oooooh that would be cool!
versed gate
mhm
clever portal
LG Mexico City Evil
red anvil
Paris, Berlin and possibly katowice are the most likely spots to get bought up i guess
versed gate
those too
red anvil
maybe actually even stockholm because of all the swedish talent
versed gate
it's p much just the important cities
red anvil
hardly heard anything about EU east in OW
versed gate
yeah man big esports money in estonia
clever portal
They don't play the game
Too casual
Maybe add betting and they'll come 4Head
Do you like the rob420 copypasta?
red anvil
hopefully they dont come at all, eu servers dont need more toxcity and people who dont speak english
versed gate
i think it's good
red anvil
no offense, but we have enough with the french
clever portal
VapeNation join us VapeNation in tradition VapeNation every time VapeNation ROB420 VapeNation successfully administers VapeNation NANO BOOST VapeNation you must hit VapeNation dah bbong VapeNation
Toxic Kaku
red anvil
red anvil
pretty sure you can find them on youtube
if not you'll have to go trough the twitch VODs
fathom shoal
i was trying to find then in shanghai group videos but
i think i need at least their team name to find them on youtube
red anvil
oh there not in shanghai
fathom shoal
where then?
fathom shoal
lol
versed gate
it's on their twitch tho right?
toxic yacht
You have to go to the playoverwatch twitch
clever portal
Overwatch World Cup 2017: Santa Monica Qualifier: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL6Ef03lJSUky_qgQNFhUTsDK5rAH8gql7
fathom shoal
there is no taiwan in there
red anvil
toxic yacht
Also, taiwan is in the usa stages, lul
red anvil
they go under chinese tepei because of poltiics
fathom shoal
so Taipei is Taiwan
clever portal
Yes
fathom shoal
nice
toxic yacht
But yeah, blizzard took down all YouTube vods without uploading them to their own channel because they don't have one yet
Amazing
fathom shoal
then first match today going to be interesting
red anvil
yeah it will decide who faces germany
red anvil
yeah deffo
both USA and Taiwan can go to blizzcon, wouldent suprise me from what i've seen so far
clever portal
Plz let USA get eliminated ๐
fathom shoal
ithink Taiwan is a bit better or maybe im just racist
toxic yacht
I'm pretty sure that US is getting the second seed, so UK vs US is gonna get super interesting
red anvil
mhm
fathom shoal
nah i want to see usa go against canada
toxic yacht
Then again, misfits 3-1'd blank, lul
fathom shoal
and against uk
toxic yacht
We haven't seen misfits play since then though
red anvil
we havent?
toxic yacht
Last time we saw them was vs spain
Well, "misfits", but it's pretty much the misfits core with less practice
clever portal
We haven't seen any teams play for a month
red anvil
end this WC qualifiers pls
i'm sick of the same maps with the same play with 4-0s all day every day
clever portal
Apex/contenders next week
red anvil
๐ Please Immortals kick rogues butt
toxic yacht
but yeah, my point was, if misfits with 2 "subs" and less practice can upset blank, who knows how usa vs taiwan could go lul
I'm still saying Flash Wolves 3-1 though
red anvil
biggest wildcard for USA is sinatraa, hes so skilled but fuck hes so random
so many fights was 5v6 thanks to him, it was fine since Jake carried
wary falcon
FW to win
toxic yacht
I'm guessing that either both or none are gonna feed today
wary falcon
I believe FW on nV level
wary falcon
While Rogue is the best non-korean team
toxic yacht
According to kyky FW was around LK level and FW said that nV was better
wary falcon
Lk?
toxic yacht
Lazer Kittenz
red anvil
only lost 1 map in OPC
nice
dident really follow OPC at all, too many teams i dont know
toxic yacht
I don't know, it's so fucking hard to compare team levels with no international tournaments
I'd love to have a better idea of eUnited's overall skill level
solid spear
he was talking about TW
clever portal
FW is not tier 1
solid spear
China he actually thinks is weaker than many people give them credit for
clever portal
But USA is just people put together
solid spear
some people think China is like the 2nd best team after SK and Im like
toxic yacht
China had like, the easiest group lol
solid spear
toxic yacht
I love how people on r/cow keep saying that china is stronger than rogue, lul
clever portal
R/cow hates Rogue
wary falcon
China ~ Japan imo
clever portal
But so do I 
solid spear
like real shit I dont think China would make it to Blizzcon if they were at this event