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as pharah healslut
only with pharah
heroes like mercy are just a mistake
and shouldn't be in the game imo
or at least get a rework
i think mercy is fine, just not her rezz
yeah, i don't remember games with mass rez
instead of buffing her numbers they should actually have given her a skill ceiling
Realment is so good
rezz is such a stupid ultimate
heros shouldnt get the Roadhog treatment just because they annoy people and so even though I hate Mercy I hope they dont like
destroy her
oh you killed everyone but could fine the fucking hiding mercy
too bad
couldnt*
yes
I dont trust them to do it well
was only good because of the oneshot
Blizzard bleaching heroes, they move them from their key part to something average and not funny
removing Hog one shot is the equivalent of removing rez entirely
i think they can
Ana, Hog, Bastion
as I said, you can actually balance mercy around different things
nice nano noon
Hog was announced 2 years ago and was always balanced with the one shot in mind
idiot
and still weak af
who nanos a high noon
his kit was more 1 dimensional than mercy's
the only broken thing in hog was his hook
you cannot compare reworking her to reworking hog
I mean now we have a 4 second one shot machine that ignores shields 
when you had ability to hook Cthulhu from another dimension
Nano boosts a zoning high noon 
we're talking about something else, take your doomfist salt to your waifu's ass or some shit
this isnt worth watching
toxic
DF makes me saliter because Hog died for the same shit
ye

no, hog died for his very specific style of oneshot
not the fact that he could oneshot
I wouldnt even hate this character so much if they didnt destroy Hog
stop acting like blizz hates oneshots
mobile hero with 1 shot ability
the game is full of oneshots

they just didn't like hog's oneshot
they clearly dont they made DF that doesnt mean Ill hate the change any less
then don't bring up hog when talking about df
HOLY SHITY
meh theyre pandering to casuals
smh

oh my god oh my god
linking dota 2
we were talking about Hog in the first place
then don't bring up df?
pls ban
as I said?
get your dota 2 outta here
take your salt somewhere else, two different situations, no need to bring it up every 2 seconds because you're crying
Boredom of the Ancients 2 ? no thanks
time to watch my boy Cantus
China*
RIP zen
I brought him up because you talked about one dimensional kits that revolved about one shots
df's kit isn't one-dimensional though, and he's much more reworkable
The Zonda zone
Cantus Mercy is restricted from tournaments
because there is no counter-play for top-1 player
zonda doing his best fl0w3r impression
delay too big
not bullshit oneshots, I think
by the time you can throw the second mine, he'll already be knocked back too far
iirc
if youre really close and you step on a mine then yeah maybe
I may be wrong though, I didn't pay too much attention to the delay
but thats a really specific situation
what is delay? 2 seconds?
quick adaptation ๐
there is no time, it's displayed like with tracer's blinks
where you have that retarded circle
theres no delay
you just cant throw til the other one detonates
lemme check
theres still throw time for mine
ya, you can't oneshot outside of really specific situations
low mobility stuff with no escapes likely gets fucked though
but like
like if you catch McCree or something
thats why I said
if mccree gets killed by 2 mines he honestly deserved it
its specific situations
And that's how nazi were born
ya, very situational
I expected Blizzard to increase amount of bear traps for Junkrat
and I'll be salty af when it happens
lul
I prefer more mines
more vertical mobility
etc
instead of annoying more people with traps
because meta is dive and you need to catch this hiya spammer
if you space them mine essentially could have like 4 second cd
USA again
And again
NA production
Rawkus main btw
NA production
LUL

AI by Elon Musk beat all pro players except Pajkatt
but ordinary (non-pro) players managed to beat it 50 times
smh
Nuuu don't blame Rawkus
What just happened?
NZ ran in a wall
Wish we got a spectator view of that
winston ult ๐
haha
Lmfao
not wasting my time with this match
Zero gravity gameplay lol
Feelsbadman
NZ 
team kill no 4
WHAT ARE THEY DOING LOOOOOL
10 seconds ๐
They're literally slowly walking to the point and getting killed along the way
Well and truly rekt
NZ 
I'm bored now bring on the UK
Last year's Australia vs South Korea flashbacks
advantage of a small country: less player information to analyze
disadvantage of a small country: less game information to analyze
heck
also, they just should spectate boombox at the beginning of teamfights
lul
he wins them a ton of fights before they even start
well he is BACONjack
Yes, I approve of more boombox
LOL Overwatch ESports Channel Got Copyright Claimed By PlayOverwatch (Official OW Channel)

overwatch esports channel?
Assuming they will post the vods? 
Restreaming or posting vods after?
I rely on that shit
Streaming at the same time and streams get saved on youtube as VODs
wait, blizzard did a strike?
lul
idiots
youtube vods is literally how I got into esports
I know copyright and stuff, but it only benifits them
or someone claiming they are blizzard
Twitch player is crap anyway
youtube is known to have failures in this
Much prefer watching on YT
they never claimed that they are blizzard, or was it the "official esports vods" channel?
the other ones never actually claimed to be official
As far as Blizzard is concerned if 2k peiple are watching that stream thats 2k not watching theres
I get the idea and all
but those are tons of potential viewers they're throwing into the bin
not smart
lul
Unlucky
I Like That Sombra Pic
Maybe if they uploaded the freaking VODs themselves
lol, that'd be too smart
the fact that we even had to resort to an unofficial channel
speaks volumes
Let's go NZ
you know, re-reading a lot of my messages
I should probably be less of a dick and phrase things nicer
lul
even though I'll be saying the exact same shit
I demand reform
I want it
Your role is ' not "trusted" ๐
Shut up Oreo
is taiwan trolling again?
Cantus carry
Strategic throwing
Whenever they want they can turn it around and roll nz
#ThrowForCantus
Bacon stands out so much
It's tasty too
3 points from two days
USA have a chance? 
yes
Scoreboard is coming up soon
??
Im here to see my boys in NZ improve
It's just aggressive competition for NZ to jandle on the first day
wild seagull appers as stand-in?
pro player btw
it was tho
dva had back turned to reaper
2 more shots
presses q
audio queue
Surprised seagull hasn't been in the crowd
dva turns around immediately
Or shaking hands with malik
did any round end with anything but 4-0 ?
3-2
CUCKT ? ๐
That was a beast draw
Brazil vs NZ will be 

Rachel is jelly from Soe
one more map or what?
@clear raptor he is in jail
Taiwan vs NZ is done
@spring lintel ah yes I forgot
Uh
The next match, plz be lit
I think I'll watch UK in vod
Love me some kruise
Wasn't this similar to vietnam was that no points at all during any of the matches?
going to sleep?
Random thought: would be so funny to watch s game of casters and presenters playing, casted by pros

nn
Genjis in this torneys are so few
I'm woke for 7:30am
2:27 AM ๐๐ป
daily reminder that adam and rawkus are apparently gay af for each other
hawt
it's US hours but I'm not getting fucked
for once in my life
this is actually amazing
it's from 7 pm to 1 am for me
everyone on usa is qt except sinatra
wow
SInatraa is low-key qt
what matches are already done?
4-0
Yea
can I be smug again?
I hope UK will win
Israel lost yesterday?
who do you think will win?
Israel are 2-3
Sojum stop the smug 
Israel 4-0
4-0 inc
We said USA won't make it to blizzcon
Boombox gold elims
They will
love that smug
Get it right
Keep hatin
you know
I'm too lazy to use search
but I can clearly remember people here saying that they'll get destroyed
I didn't expect them to be this good though
I'm gonna admit that
I'm waiting for Taiwan vs USA
reflecting on the explosive growth of esports is great, it's something i'm passionate about but i sometimes wonder how long i'd stick around
I say FW is gonna win
not gonna be a stomp
3-1 or 2-2
USA could itch out a win
if they win it'll be a very close 3-1
but I'm expecting a FW 3-1 or a 2-2
Alicus just needs OWL spot
Team UK hype
israel will win beause they have a gaming house
Alicus new Google CEO 
Great Homies in the Game House
and im really scared they wont know how to deal with pharah lul
but yeah they seem to do it
Russia PTSD
yessssss
bIG C angry





What the fuck guys
All the eports youtube channels just went down on worldcup vids
it's just eco pushes
So they won't let you watch the worldcup back?
Hopefully
yesss
if that's what they're doing, I get it, but it's stull dumb
Otherwise it'd be bullshit, some of us have lifes
Watch on twitch
I have other things to do
They didn't take down everything
I can't watch without chat
Eh, fuck those ones doing it mostly for ad revenue though
Just worldcup
Wait overwatch vods is down?
Yeah twitch vods are really shit
You know what would be good
"We don't get enough money by people buying everything so let's get money from youtube too"
Because it doesn't get any copyright claims, the people who re-upload it get money
In game VODs 
We better get em
israel's pushes were weak
If overwatch doesn't make an esports channel it'd be ridicilous
Luckily they just took down worldcup.. not more.
We don't have the technology yet
new engine guys, remember
Theres just no reason for this
programming isn't magic
youtube videos are easy to get access to
Even worldcup 2016 got deleted
They are making money, maybe they are planning on making thier own channel
either way, it's still a dumb move
Do that first, then delete everything
Ow highlight & worldcup channels are so low quality
there are hundreds of VODs archived there
Maybe they'll release a DVD with the vods
Yeah, deleting it is kinda dick
countless tournaments since beta
It's bullshit that they take down everything without saying
They just deleted worldcup
Not everything
realised youtube esports overwatch is the only channel i watch
Apex and everything is still up
same
Your Overwatch is crap
Ugh they just have no effort toedit anything though
They said esca is the worst dps in korea the other day
They take memes and tell it as the truth
Esca is one of the most talented players, he got way more consistent in apex S3 too
when he played tracer
In Apex S2 he was
i lose bunch of bets
well, he was forced on the role. still sucked on it for the majority of S2
because of his pulse bomb
Escas great, he's just extremely inconsistent
On tracer
his mccree and mei are pretty nutty
^
also, he's a flick aimer iirc
But it makes sense, it's like putting AKM on tracer
so his 76 transition kinda succed
Or iddqd
aKm was also a good tracer, but we barely saw it because tviq was flat out better
Akm is best pharah eu
his tracer wasn't amazing though

UK 
The point is, they are putting esca on heroes he wasn't the best with. Also keep in mind he's the shotcaller, he plays dps and has to call everything out at the same time while being on an uncomfortable hero. His tracer isn't even that bad lately, just his pulsebombs are
ya
is he shotcaller?
also, he mostly bombs tanks
not a tobi?
ya, he shotcalls
He's the shotcaller
Soon is a god
SOON LUL
Effect > soon

Esca is very talented, since he does multiple things. Calling him the worst is worse then disrespectfull
Effect 
Esca has great successor
Soon > effect
The meme didn't catch on
yall sleep
But it was a good LUL
ESCA has military service soon
ESCA LUL
Israel showing up
Oh
Lets go israel!!!
Pog - champ is cencored
feelsbadman
Censored
unlucky
Esca is a great player, though many people just listen to how monte and doa fuck with him and see his missed pulse bombs. They don't see hes a good player in general and is doing multiple things.
I swear, did esca fuck monte and doa their girls?
Very talented casters but they have something against esca
Doa too though
Both casters make him look like shit
it's like they had a personal vendetta to make him look like shit
Yeah
well, esca memes are fine by now
because most people acknowledge that it's just a meme
Esca isn't tilted by the hate anymore and he's happy with the people that don't hate on him
The memeing has decreased alot indeed
not really
wtf happened
It has
?

Omg boombox lol
whew
I'm not watching
boombox on 76
4k with soldier lets go boombox
da fuck

yes boombox
boombox is perphaps top-2 western zen
5 kills
imo
I'd put him right behind unkoe
same
healer turned dps
HarryHook
I'd cheer for usa but sinatraa is too toxic
Reinforce's suit too big for him lol
high tech
He's wearing Adidas NMDS with that huge suit 
my mind cannot handle this advanced technology
Yea
ya, he's consistently stupid fucking high up there
lol
This guy
went from 3900 to 3800
people accuse kafeee of abusing latter tho
lol the people holdling up the posters towards the camera
and never solo qing
KRUSHER99
ana please heal me LOL
They didn't choose for horizon
Blizzard paid em
Nobody picks a map they haven't trained long on, unless you're SK
emp balanced
ikr
They can keep poking though they'll keep getting stopped
Esca was the first one playing sombra
DPS Sombra you mean
Rip kruise
a lot of western players ran sombra
@toxic yacht really? My bad
Dang
๐ค
Wait
LUL
lol kruise
Why wouldn't they spread up
is dat pro genju
This is asking to be emp'd
he dashed into the pulse bombed lul
boombox is on top form today
Shut down tracer, 4 kill as soldier, great emp and pack control as sombra
best thing is when you want to dash into a tracer and she drops pulse bomb without knowing that you're gonna dash
lul
Boombox is my city
gg
gg

u wot
what is this?
Korean
some sweet korean pasta?
No
๐ข
is Israel putting up a fight?
time to post that into twitch chat
But in the wrong channel
lul
I keep typing things into the wrong channel
I'm saying english stuff in the korean server and korean things here ;-;
Kruise fucking up
Lul winz
how boring is payload duty lol
Ikr
Every 50 sec israel gets wiped and the rest is moving
Kruise isn't playing his best
welp uk is just memeing around
kruise is being a bit too aggro and sloppy with swoeds
how boring is payload duty lol
ask winz
FRAGON ;-;
Kruise isn't even overrated, he's just being inconsistent atm
i think israel is kinda focusing him too though?
Meh
like hes not getting away with diving into them
triple dps 
he's doing some pretty reckless and dum dives
also, mistakes when swording
missing dashes and slashes he's not supposed to miss etc
mostly dashes
could have a bad day
They gove them the choke
nice on smex
boom said he was playing bad yesterday
Kruise LUL
kruise is having a bad day
Really is
I don't like the way eqo plays
Too passive and he gets aggresive on the wrong times
Kruise lul
Press q to get kills and die
not 4-0 
There we go kruise
gg
lmao
Lul

I have to switch between my 2 keyboards everytime it's so annoying
yh
there it actually is
Well we are winning anyway
Just give us the cup already
Ecks dee
At this moment the chat spams "tracer irl lul'
lol, I'd say you did good. But I haven't seen enough to say you earn the cup. ๐
so t-mobile is unlimited data?
tfw I only get 1gb of data a month
I missed this one lul
9 boxes wtf
@wary falcon stuck driving atm. Whats happening?
strongest team atm is out of TI
western twitch chat was confused
they hate chinese and they hate rat dota

anyone have profile link to SENPAI?
c9?
Nah not C9
is that c9 meme every gonna die?
Nu
C9 will surpass Overwatch
Saw it in the twitch chat
c9 is the pro version of I NEED HEALING
wasn't watching for that moment
you can see C9 even in korean/chinese chats
Yeah whenever I'm watching Koreans streams you'll hear them all yell c9
trying his hardest to carry
Global meme
do these world cup teams have coaches?
fucking twitch chat being baited by memes
Yes.

What SR is Senpai in team Belgium?
He doesn't seem very competent, but maybe I'm not a good observer, that's possible.
senpai isn't very good
SR means nothing in pro games, sure.
But if you're masters, good luck playing in a pro game against people that are top 500.
unless you are dummy
a pro has no business being a pro if he can't even get above into 500, lul
although, overwatch ranked is kinda dum anyway
so take it witha grain of salt

Eh
There's pros not in top 500
Good ones
And there's players in top 500 who aren't pro level
because decay/not playing ranked
majority of top-500 eu are semi-pro
any decent pro gets ez top 500
any decent player*
once they actually play ranked
most of thier accs have decayed to masters area now anyway
thank mr blizzard
since most of the two weeks was travelling and all scrims
Ranked isn't a very good indicator of pro success not to say it doesn't matter cuz that's something plats say to make themselves feel better
What's with the mentions of cantus in twitch chat?
I don't know him so I don't get it.
But there are pros who legitmately aren't consistent top 500
mvp of wc
Yeah thats what I'm saying
let's not act like ranked is completely useless
Cantus abused MMR system to get higher place in top-500
that's it
x6 stack against diamond
Yea I queued up aganist him in season 4
Oh..
Well for pros it's not super useful unless you're like top 10ish
I'm diamond
That's how a couple guys got found out
it was like 2am or something
Alexandra (or ALejandro) from Brasil did the same
my point was that a decent pro is gonna get top 500
if he just plays enough
doesn't mean an awful lot when comparing anything though
plays enough
reminded me of STG (best russian winston right now)
btw the second coach of BGH was in that BR 6 stack
I was sliver in s2 
it's actually sharyk playing on his account
not like diamond is any better
I mean ranked is weird, like Harb had points last season where he was top 10 and points where he lost top 500 lol
Yea
in s2 diamond was really decent rank
yup
and top-500 started around 3800
Alot of pros aren't like top 10 now
It matters at the very top and like for normal players
diamonds in S2 were actually decent/good at the game
most of them are GM now
I remember Surefour was like top 10 with two accs late season 2
S2 was best season as for me
Dafran 
ya, S2 had no sudden death and 1HL, but people still cared and ranked worked back then
@toxic yacht come to the light
I don't really have a favorite season cuz its so blurred for me but this season is aids
Germany 
And not cuz of meta or anything
good ol' times
S4 and S5 are such aids
People don't care about winning anymore
Ult baited
what is this
I also think one tricking being rewarded actually ruins ranked somewhat as well
best music
one tricking works in Dota too
nice one baud
Gg ez
it's better to not link SR gain to perfomance i guess
4-0verwatch ResidentSleeper
T-Mobile 

lol
'USA stage will be better than Poland' 
it's still more enjoyable
Poland stage was shit
we also had something that wasn't 4-0 on the first day already
also, the amount of interesting matches on the last day
are gonna be much higher than in katowice
Yes, these 4-0s are Soo enjoyable
sydney was still the best though
Give me SK back
4-0 doesn't mean that it wasn't a fun match
























