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lol he really wanted to kill Hulk
i'm still waiting for hulk to kill everyone 
wtf

they tried to c9 that
What are those fights lmfao
NESH
Nesh 
Almost C9
except for fisher 
In tournaments like this I'm amazed by the "camera"-work, I wonder how they determine which POV to switch to
What's the score?
@ornate sigil game sense
This, so far, has been the best camera work out of all group stages in my opinion
They are aware of who the favourites are and they just stay on them.
Anubis music on Lijiang 
lul
like i said, Krytox too heavy to carry

Temple of Lijiang
I thought they were going to get rolled
I wonder how good the camerawork/production quality is gonna be at the finals
I didn't watch the 2016 ones because I wasn't playing the game back then lol
....
This is pretty much all experimentation for OWL
Last year camera work was pretty good me thinks
Blizz production is meh
That being said, last year's meta was pretty easy to spectate in comparison
Deadlybitch
Yeah dive comp is so fast
@spring lintel lmao I keep thinking he says that too
You just kept the camera on McCree
Double support ult?
Switched to Mei occasionally
And if Reaper was hiding in a corner, beyblade was coming
So you went to him
lol
Makes sense
With the korea team basically playing mystery heroes the cameramen are gonna have a rough time
yeah you kinda need to keep a good eye on the killfeed yourself now
to see how things are going
Thankfully the kill feed is much better now
ye
That's true, I forgot about the old killfeed
makes it a lot easier to figure out what ults are being used 
Old killfeed 
Nesh Zarya 
Was I the only one calling him ka feeeee
Rein in 2017 LUL
What was that
what was that pulse bomb????
In other words, good aim bad positioning
Where did it go lol
No matter what it should have been stuck from the inside
Nice ult 
grav eaten
NOMNOM
lol
Oh noey
why did he
wake up
fragon
taimou is right, hulk's lucio is boosted af
77% to grave again
lul
DAMMIT NESH
the shatter looked funny
fighting dive with deathball LUL
3-1verwatch
It's not a 4-0!

Reinforce 
LA has like, 500 people?
Did the stream freeze :O
maybe 1k
no
nvm

i was so close to refreshing page
imo Na production is slowly getting better,

Those Contenders replays are very xD
they seem to be showing a bit more support play as well.
S E L L O U T
Fucking T-Mobile 
AT&T master race


Just kidding I don't even live in the US
Lmfao probably still better than fucking Australian carriers
Jeff is there at the stage
Goldenboy 
No way that's 1k
National treasure
Goldenboy is my city
Nothing compared to Aussie stage 
Sydney > all
calfi
I literally had a migraine the next day
worth it
๐ณ๏ธโ๐
If one of the announcers slips up and calls it Taiwan instead of Chinese Taipei do you think the Chinese team would get upset
they use every excuse to wave their giant schlongs around
Such bs man
Bring back uber :((
If Blizzard doesn't sign Uber to OWL, they're literally throwing
I wonder why they pick horizon most of the time instead of the other maps
Less Sombra
That makes sense
Wew lad wtf
wtf
Israel pls
Because Horizon is the newest map.
eqo...
Mm that oneclip
lol
that trans was dum
Blizzard should just go ahead and remove EMP as an ultimate and put it on a 30 seconds cooldown tbh
naisu
isnt ironic that israel is fighting germany now?
Junk 

why even have twitch chat
normally I'd be complaining about how retarded this is
I'm not surprised, lmfao
outside of that, slow mode with anything above 10 seconds is dumb
even 10 seconds is questionable
?
no need to protec veine if you fucking murder all of them before they can even reach him

kafeeeeeee
wat
also, hulk took this long to get EMP
It tilts me so much that Kafe has such good tracking but just goes for the fucking solo q plays and dies miserably reeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I actually have a kafeee autograph
primal rage?
Yolo
What was that ult?
lul


YEESSSS

I WANT MY COUNTRY TO WIN SOMETHING
matches?
US v NZ 4-0
Get snowballed son
Was it Chinese Taipei v brazil? 4-0
"i don't mean thinking about his past" lol
Years
hell yeah
Yeah *
Ez
I can feel comete
4-0
4-0
damn
Yeah
now what?
4-1
stylosa isnt there so good
Nvm
1-1 Germany Israel

only cause kaffeee is awesome

:>
Yeah, true
I got his autograph uwu
Skipjack pls
alright
==
Skipjack channeling his inner Winghaven
Veine carrying 
veine again
Nice feeding Israel 


Kreygasm
Holy shit
dat dash LUL
Crankz is so good
NA ult
if he hadn't missed that dash
Throw



at least he killed the corner
I can't send pucs
Doa pls, Zen is an omnic, doesn't need veins smh
You need to be trusted 

ill repload it here
sent
Like respectable users like Kvo/Sojum/Oreo/Polo
right on the forehead
tara
Me too 
<<- rrespectable

youre funny
rip this map
So basically everyone
thats all i got
๐ฆ

is internet hulk throwing?
Germany losing this like they lost both wars 

israel= jews from ww2
c9
revenge is sweet
nice
LUL
Replays 
75%
Could've won it
Yeah wtf lmfao
I was wondering how that find ended
wowe
damn
Crankz is lit
Wowee
fuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuckfuck
This Crankz guy is pretty good
shon-pee
nonononno

NOOO
please no
Rip
a draw is ok but pls
tie
drawlords would be happy
FUCK MY LIF
Ez
Why is this kinda boring
atleast its no lose
Yeah i guess
Nah 2CP is mostly boring for me as well lmfao

Stylosa 
Stylosa 
Did they all D/C
?
Kariv LUL
Widow 

This could legit become an emote
Yeah
Pls no
Is Noukky in observing for LA?
I think so
lul
no contest
I want to make it an emote, but this is some random-ass guy
don't really want to do more stuff with his face
With a good emotey face
nesh
Could be :wat:

By going in there, he is basically giving his consent to be filmed
wtf was that primal rage
something with love live
probably one of the idols from the "irl" love live shit
since they make actual idol groups


I could get runnergachi and taimougachi with nitro 
lol

STAGGER
staggah
Rip
KKona


germany dont
Double support ults 
ANOTHRER FIGHT?
Watching replay LUL
lul
Using Japanese ult economy but not having AKTM 
Inb4 3 points push
please dont cap
kafeee is a god
Crnkz carry
I will never wash my flash comic
see?



LOL
C9
pussy
C9

Almost C9'd on lunar colony as well

@fallow drift 
@clever portal stfu filthy gestapharo
Protect me 
wtf hulk
Hulk Sombra 
so boosted
Esca Widow, Hulk Sombra, aKm Pharah

Which one am I missing?
kafeeeee doing his best soloQ impression
nesh carrying again
lets go veineless lets go
Ez full hold
Kafe thinks he has Winston's health
Tilts me so much seeing him go solo with no recall and die like an idiot
Throwrmeny
kek
Hulk's Sombra is shite
Nesh hard carry
he got ~50% to ult so fast


Tis over folks
yeah, israel's ult usage was so 
FUCK
those double support ults lost them maps
PLEASE WIN AGAINST STYLOSA ISRAEL
Kafe channeling his inner Evermore
I steped away for dinner, what happned to make it 3-2?
@hallow fable god hates overwatch
Reinforce analysis 
you mean germany vs israel? it was 2-1 because of a draw
That's the hack @toxic yacht
lmao yes
I missed 66 who won
Germany
ah
ofc
fuck, I have like, 30+ clips
Sojum frag clip inc 
once I go through the matches were I didn't clip shit it's gonna be close to 40
fack
and I have like, 4-5 hours to make something work

Pew
lol @waxen root
lol people cleared out
No we're about to do Press confetnce or something
@waxen root carry 
Waiting for it
interview?
Kaffee flanks were annoying af
apparently according to Harsha Israel is a monster in scrims
He took the wierdest routes i didnt expect
That was their downfall tbh
so it is understandable that you guys has trouble with them
They proabaly hungry.
should have has a dedicated off tank player though, don't you think?
pretty sure that nesh is an off-tank flexy guy, but he's a better tracer than eisfeldt, apparently, so they put eisfeldt on dva because he's not bad on her, that's at least how it looks to me. I always remembered eisfeldt as being a good tracer, so I wasn't really sure about what role he'd be playing
I'm not sure about nesh's dva, back on hammers snizzle and fischer iirc played her
nesh played zarya and hitscan dps
which makes me wonder about whether he even plays dva

lel

so israel didnt sign?
lmao
@Kryw99 @LiquidHULK This is an actual example of someones tweet being as relevant as themselves. At least get your information accurate.



That Overwatch Boston Twitter account is basically a second Overwatch League account lol
so thoes are the guys that spectate?
looks like a trialer.
Sinatraa on LAN 
Ended up being not stronk enough to wake up at 00 AM and stay up for LA
And there it is, his max charge Zarya
Nutty stuff
I'm still not completely sold on US tho
They dominated against the worst team in the group stage
Tomorrow we'll see
What are you talking about?
The sound for this day of q
Both playing from Twitch and Livestreamer+VLC, it sounds like everything is pitched up
๐
The OW song at the countdown being higher pitch, Soe's voice having a higher pitch...
Like what happens to the audio when you speed up a video
Jesus this is so weird
What happened 
Idk Just Not here anymore
You abandoned us 
Oreo probably scared him away
I did nothing
rip
Im so tired
i'm very surprised the mech isn't the souless eyes funkpop are
and after seeing the kiki tweet, now i really want USA to lose
even better if they lose to germany
Goddamnit, I'm not jealous at all.
Kiki is the ow Community Manager
@wintry matrix what tweet
Apparently, all kicking off in the LH fandom because LTJ is back.
I think he meant Kyky
@Kryw99 @LiquidHULK This is an actual example of someones tweet being as relevant as themselves. At least get your information accurate.
scroll up a bit
Ah that lol
It was a tweet saying Israel to win 4-0
i tried to meme, didn't knew there was someone named kiki
I know we all retweeted it after we won
On BLK lul
WE scrimmed USA once Like a week agi
Ago* and were shit
They scrimmed Israel here at the venue and Israel does Well apparently
And other reasons that tweet happened that arent relevant here xD
Kyky Hulk beef?
Beef jerky
yum
Argh this sucks
The audio is pitched high
For whatever reason
Like 1/4-1/3 way to being chipmunks
BITRAAAAATE
Apparently not even Livestreamer+VLC's no-cap can help this
Jake keeps doing unnecessary recalls it seems?
How many cantus best in the world jokes were there?
in this channel a few, in the chat: more than anyone can stomach
he brought it to himself after braggin about it tho
has shadder been on lan when he was on liquid?
i don't think so
dont worry beemoo Ill provide all of that 
dang rip liquid tho
they looked pretty posititve when i watched their streams too ๐ฆ
Lmao JKap actually came wearing the murican suit
yes
fuckin love the USA pride
Shadder has been to small lans with other teams
I assume so
was hoping he'd bust it out like the way sinatraa busted zarya out
oh and Pharah
but it was vs NZ, which is prob a much weaker opponent than UK
also those player profiles that shows skill rating, did they ever show cantus?
Cantus
- 4700sr*
*May or may not be boosted
dude he reached 4700 he's LEGIT
lol yall ever think Cantus was the one boosting them?
haters
wouldnt mess with him at LAN
cantus looks huge
There, fixed
Anyone have any suggestions from today's broadcast, things you think could be better?
how tall is reinforce

woah didnt even know blizz went here
its just bill

bill w?
We're everywhere. 
im watching the VODs right now
@light hearth feedback about anything or something in special?
Mostly looking for World Cup feedback but whatever you want to share is fine
The world needs more Uber
Everything else seems fine. Adequate waiting time between matches. Only mixed feelings about the spectating.
I'm not fond of the cam 100% on the offense team
i feel like the desk/hosting/malik is a bit awkward sometimes, but dunno if that will just fix itself with time
damn the OW community doesnt like malik ๐ฆ
I like Malik
I like him, since he brings a fighting game esque type of interviews to the atmosphere
maybe it's just me, but i feel it's a bit jarring when it transits to the casters bc they look so much more natural
r/cow was so offended when malik called mangachu's dva booty butt cheeks
was hilarious
when i saw him in the Injustice stream before the USA x Canada showmatch i liked him, but i'm really not digging his style in the WC
OW community is just very very different from the FGC
r/cow is offended by many things
more sentitive in general
tru
isn't the Fighting community actually way more pissy?
or maybe just some like Smash Melee
no were not
it depends
unless its balance related maybe
smash prob more on other end of the spectrum
Yeah Malik is amazing but I totally see the "still finding the chemistry"
Smash is weird anyway those communities
always animosity against Nintendo as a whole
but thats a discussion for a different channel
FGC is esports ๐
different generation of gamers. OW is full of young players. FGC has more vets.
FGC is getting younger
bunch of 16 year old amateur/pro players in OW. FGC still got 30-40 year olds playing at a high level.
How is the spectating for koth decided? I noticed it always specs one but there's no real offense/defense since it's mirrored
Specs the winning team?
nvm you guys just changed it up XD
overhead cams around the point I LIKE
if it's overused i wont like it
like you need some fps povs on like big plays
or potential big plays (or blunders)
I know OW is very difficult to spectate for an observer so I'm wondering if it's possible to add a small delay so that tools can process any potential big plays beforehand?
to assist the observer
i know very little about these things, but a tool that is that inteligent has to be expensive as fuck if not impossible
This was experimented in CSGO by PGL I think
where it tried to catch every kill
I understand catching every kill shouldn't be the goal as observing is more then just watching the action 100% of the time. There's pacing, story involved to make it more entertaining
But catching a big play, like getting 3 near solo kills within 10s to win a fight on overtime. Things like that should never be missed by the cam whether it be from the pov of the killer, the victim or an overhead w/ focus on those specific actions
dont always follow them tho
just an example
i'd love to see big support or tank plays too
which are much more difficult to catch
sure, but that's generally what happens most often, without consitant playtime from Rein or Zarya
*constant
which is why you need tools to assist the observer
to catch potential big plays beforehand, give him 2s
and health pack pov
needs more boombox pov
omg boombox
boombox is a god
I strive to be 1/4 of the zenyatta boombox is
NZ playing like it's ladder
Ster is there 
What are those glasses 
Anyway, the last fight on R66 for NZ screams ladder so much it's not funny lul
Just 2 supports bunched up in the back without any awareness
@light hearth I know at Blizzcon last year, the tourney had player tourney stats on a different screen at the stage. Would you guys think about bringing that to streamed games? I think the audience would appreciate some stats.
buh dum tsssh
tomorrow looks like total 4-0verwatch 
I think Brazil could upset
And I'd say Germany vs Belgium will be close enough
I didnt watch any of today so I dont know if teams are good or bad or what, im just going off the scorelines and how i think the teams will do
could Israel take Assault from the UK?
Was UK bad on 2cp today?
i really hope USA comes overconfident from BGH's loss
event tho it was UK, i think Belgium looked weak
Logix would make work, but all of his team died meanwhile
then again that could be just Boombox
spree and logix can only carry so hard
@limber pine yeah definitely liked the stats stuff from last year and want it to be better and used regularly
Neato
USA vs new zealand was absolute bullying
like
ABSOLUTE bullying
Nah not really
It's part NZ shoddy part US giving Sinatraa space
Still a lot of mistakes in between

so us bullied them no?
they took advantage and beat the shit out of them
that is what bullying is, right?
The US was just flat out better than NZ in every way
They could have all swapped roles and still won through superior mechanical skill
@light hearth in term of pro scene we need more detailed stats anyway
but in competitive we don't have access to that because of toxicity, and then we have the medals version which caused another set of toxicity to spew out
In conclusion, people being people
They'll turn anything and everything into their ammo
Also, what I mean was it's NZ
which kind of stats exactly?
The bullying doesn't really mean much
bc K/D is not really that useful in OW
It wasn't really anything to get that hyped about
It wasn't really anything to get that hyped about
If they bullied EU, for example, then yes, that's a massive step forward for US
if they bullied EU that would be a miracle
@balmy wolf yeah definitely understand that comparison, it's more of a design philosophy so a bit out of my lane but I understand what you're saying for sure
I think there are some stats to get hyped about
How quickly players get ults, for example
Brazil's starting to get confused it seems in Volskaya vs Flash Wolves?
How are you expecting to do anything if you don't at least commit to 1 ult wave while your opponent have theirs ready...?
Friggin 3 minutes wasted making hero swaps
Map stats are fun too
Aaand vod stream is starting to get hit by throttling
Fuck
BGH vs FW 2cp is 
Also can't really call making hero swaps for 3 minutes straight "adapting"
i think BGH lost the mind game after Kings already
tho at least 2cp stomp was expected since FW scrimmed with KR as opposite to BGH which is in NA/SA
Daaamn Ster is ๐ฅ
not as Jkap
@limber pine we got quite some good stats from @lone zephyr and thats Not Just ult charge rate :P
He helped a bunch noticing issues during Our bootcamp
I like stats ๐
we still need Sabermetric OW
right now stats are either not as detailed or need hard input
which is fucking awful to manually input
a replay system will help dramatically
replays are like my number 1 wish
or demo
Wtf Kruise casually getting 4k at 18 HP
When Theres No replay System and u rely on vods to See what u did wrong but u literally get 0seconds spectating time FeelsGun
PunOko
tay1o interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fI2gVwGmCnE
Interview with ta1yo of Team Japan; we discuss the struggles of being a young player still in high school, his journey to where he is now, and what he hopes ...
Thumbnail game strong
Looking for 6v6 custom game scrims for sr 3500+. please let me know if I can join your custom games for oberserver practice. Thanks!
@graceful shore #lf-players-na
@graceful shore ask in #lf-scrim-na
TY ^^
in tobi stream :
I can not tell you this.
You will notice when you see news later.
(Implicitly) something happened to our team.
all of it is thanks to our fan.

LH = Seoul
^
Appareantly there has been rumors of GamersOrigin buying movistar riders contenders spot
Also someone appareantly leaked that kolsti is gonna play with rogue for contenders s1 as their reinhardt player
i miss old rogue
I used to drive manually, but now I use Kruise Kontrol

SKT LH 
Replay system will never come until blizzard is feeding casuals with shitty updates
It's in work since 8 month
SKT LH for Seoul 
Kruise's Genji is ๐๐ป
Calculating, methodical, patient Kruise Kontrol
It's not ArHaN, it's not for creating space, it's for fight-winning kills
Seija how long have you been watching 
UK vs Belgium final map
I don't marathon all 6hrs NotLikeThis
Might be mistakes on Belgium's part but I think Kruise hasn't died even once while blading?
The only thing Belgium had going for them was spree Pharah
Does anyone know where I can find the match Belgium VS UK? I looked on the twitch and youtubes but can't seem to find it.
They have Logix but... ๐ง ๐ด ๐ด ๐ฒ ๐ง ๐ด ๐ฝ
@clever portal
@balmy wolf Not uploaded yet anywhere
But nope
This channel seems to save most games
Yes, Logix was trying to carry as well
Thanks boys
Wait till Germany vs Israel 
It's like Boombox's orbs prioritize Tracers
Game of throws
I just want to see Belgium get destroyed.
He's got a personal vendetta against the cockney
Do they get destroyed?
It was ez for the UK
Mfw Poland had more fight in them against SK than Belgium against UK or Brazil against Taiwan
I did brah
When Zonda and Baconjack turned on Kreygasm
Mfw Akshon Esports' highlights have higher bitrate than LA Q stream
Maybe not, but at least it looks less blurry on high action parts
Man, ain't Bad Pachimari on a roll with the marketable series
Game of throws
I haven't watched it
Kinda don't want to since he said that
I think they don't play tiebreakers
Also was unlucky for Israel
They could have won
Germany overextended on the defense to kill 5 people
Kaffeeeeee?
Was alone on the point
They only needed one tick
He wasn't sure where germany was
So he was tapping the point
They were actually too far to contest
If he just stood on it
He would probably have capped the tick
Each match is defined as a competitive meeting of two teams for four games ("Maps")
plus an optional "sudden death" fifth game if the score is tied after four games. Each game
("Map") will provide 1 point to the winner for a victory and 0 points for a tie or defeat.
The team with the greater overall score at the end of 4 maps will be the victor of the
match. If there is a tie after 4 maps, a 5th "sudden death" map will be played. This map
will be decided by Blizzard and communicated to both teams prior to the start of the
match.

When a tie happens both teams get a point
bo3 Oasis tiebreakers are played at the end of groupstage only if teams have the same amount of points
Germany ended up at 3 and Israel ended up at 2, Germany won 2, tied 1 and Israel won 1 and tied 1
1 points for tie
Yes
shame that Israel lost tho 
blizz aint following there own rules lol
"Each match is defined as a competitive meeting of two teams for four games ("Maps")
plus an optional "sudden death" fifth game if the score is tied after four games. Each game
("Map") will provide 1 point to the winner for a victory and 0 points for a tie or defeat. "
yes it says: 0 points for tie
so they must have played a tiebreaker
nope
they dident?
They should really play a tiebreaker
To find a winner
0 points, or 1 point each is not fair
0 points makes sense
Well, there isn't
indeed
A point is given to each team for a tie and tiebreakers are only played at the end of groupstages if needed














