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im happy to see that they managed to make SK try
SK is trying. Wow. That is more than what Russia was hoping for
Zunba 
close game
welp canada - nl now
nerf SK
This is what happen when one region for a premier competition every damn time vs 2 regions that got complete shit for breakfast.
SK got 3 seasons of APEX running
EU/NA got shit
It is
We know Korea just dominates everything they touch
i think lack of lan hurt
and they suddenly became better during apex s2
even Alwaysoov pointed that the lack of competitions in NA/EU has hurt
that is not a coincidence
but i don't think that would change much
What was the metric to say "the west was better than Korea"
DOTA2/CSGO is still not dominated by KR so...............
That has never really been true
while for a while NA/EU were on par, i think overtime KR improved way more than NA/EU would've improved
4-1'd them
Old Rogue did 4-1 old LH
They play neither
nV won apex S1
And France still can beat Korea
the west was flat out better back then
the lack of competition in the West has hurt them more than you might think. This isn't just some hyperbole excuses.
remember that Apex s1 had mid tour patch change
Only conflicts do people evolves
mid tournament patch or not, a western team would have won apex s1
and there's no conflicts in NA/EU to evolves
either rogue or nV
Rogue was destroying everyone
in beyblade
they fucking dominated that meta
esports are much more popular in SK than anywhere else on the planet. that's just like, a part of the national culture, it creates more opportunities for improvement. as a whole, at least in my home country US, the general person doesn't give as much of a shit about esports, it's a huge cultural difference
SK would take over eventually
You can't deny Akm-TviQ were much more of a monster than anybody Korea had at that time
That's my point @toxic yacht
Sooner or later, SK would just dominate
It was sooner, sadly
But it was bound to happen
i really don't think you can solely blame that
sooner or later, but it could have been massively delayed
Yeah exactly, it's not like that was the only reason
if it's just for the delay then it doesn't matter
You can't really discredit Korean infraestructure and pure dedication and discipline
That the west lacks, btw
let it die sooner if NA/EU would just give up to KR later
Man SDB got owned by Mangachu
eh WC isnt really indicative of too much, a western team won Apex 1 AFTER SK went and stomped everyone in WC not too long before
That was a beautiful play by Canada
true oreo
mind you, the West would get those infrastructure and discipline if there's something to be strive for
Doesn't Russia have a good bit scan?
or regular competitions
Not really
Hitscan
Unfixed i think
Russia has a good tracer
But tracer dies fast to Pharah
there's no point of invest in something if there's no returns. There was no competition and the only thing in town was OMM for a long time.
and that is just 10K worth of prize pot
C'mon lol
very few actua westernl rosters have all their rosters based in one country so WC doesnt show too much in that regard
well, now's the time for the west to show itself then
History has demonstrated that doesn't matter how much you invest in infrastruture in the west, SK always comes up on top
i don't think the spot owners will just mindlessly buy koreans
I mean, I think for what Blizzard was selling, which was a fuck ton of cities around the world housing OW teams, ladder scouting wasn't this impossible
SK do play CSGO and DOTA2 btw
considering a couple of KR teams got invited to The International
But reality isn't what they were advertising, so this is how it all turned out
like LoL?
And Starcraft
ok
Sk plays LoL too right
"Play"
he gave you 2 examples of games where that isnt the case and you gave him 2 examples of games where it is
They're the sole dominant region
i missed the first half of volskaya, what did SK play in defence?
ssh im not into LoL
like how Taiwan won Rift Region vs KR? 
SK doesnt dominate esports as a whole the way people make it out to be they dominated 2 games 1 which is dead
like, I said that domination was inevitable, but I was really exaggerating
I actually don't like Korean dominance
even in OW we havent even seen Korean teams play in LANs against Western teams outside of Korea lol
it was very possible that the west wouldn't be super far behind
if we actually had LANs
and people are already ready to say its over
also, guys
it's only 2 teams
that are clearly better than the best in the west
KDP and LH
that's it
But saying that lack of tournaments is the reason Korea dominate is flat out delusional
T1 KR
is better than T1 EU and NA
that's really it
literally only 2 teams that are clearly better than rogue
it's a lot like EU vs NA
a year ago
actually
I'll just screenshot this and bring it back when Korean rosters dominate OWL 
For practically winning over Rogue once?
they had pretty comfortable wins
even thenweve seen a western team go into Korea and win it all, and in international LANs the environment changes
vs rogue

a few maps were close
I don't like stomps 
The West needs full on more competition non stop. Everyone is in a stand still at the moment. All of the tier 2 teams are in break while all of the tier 1 teams either disbanded, or scrim with ringers because people are trying out for different orgs/roster

surefour 
talent wise Korea simply is not that much better than the west despite what people want to think
theres just like
0 western LANs
xQc 
also infrasctructure
also mentality
Korea has way better Zaryas and D.Vas generally
i remember the KPD coach i think saying that only LH really gets money
the mechanical skills are the same in all region. It just that APEX allows so much practice and grinding vs in NA
hell, KR scrim = scrimming in one map again and again
because they has the time bank and infrastructure to be able to do it
Korean domination or not
yea
Blame Blizz for West downfall
was actually higher earlier
blame blizz for everything
hit like 51
was at 56k
ya, I wasn't paying attention because I was praying for russia
at least they put up a good fight
also, they made
Uncleswagg screenshot showed 51k from the English stream
fl0w3r
pick his carry
fl0w3r wasn't memeing
he took his best hero
which is a win in my book, lul
honestly if Blizz doesnt have some sort ofofficial t2 stuff outside of overwatch league/western apex equivalent theyve completely failed in my eyes
anyone else having trouble streaming ? I am betting buffer with 44 Mbps download speed.
that's the closest thing to a win we're getting until blizzcon if rogue gets their shit together
pray for nl
nope, my stream is perfect
Open League was supposedly this tier 2 thing
but it is a complete dogshit
so now my team is just grinding weeklies
they need contenders to be a real thing and to have a bigger pot than 100k for 8 teams every 4 months
Open would be more for nobodies to get their name on
give legitimate reasons for orgs to invest without OWL
What end up so bad
open division
if Apex continues and theres no western equivalent thats when youll start to see an actual gap
as I said, gap rn
is pretty much exactly
like Misfits and Rogue
vs nV
back in september
the only problem i have with Open is that masters are too low a requirement
@supple nymph lack of serious participation
serious amateur team is playing in weeklies tournament instead
no, just lots of pick up teams
50 Blizz Bucks isn't any incentive at all
that just met the other day
the format should have set up already
like, Open goes to contenders which goes into OWL
they need to bolster it right now
if Contenders S2 is just like season 1 no org is goingto want to pick up a team just for contenders
i just hope the teams stick long enough in this rough period
pot is way too small overtime for orgs not be losing money even if theyre only paying players 1K a month
lmaooo
KR: "what does booty butt checks mean?"
the fangirls will let them find out
and now the pun from Goldenboy
Good luck 
goldenboy is cool
I'm tired
boody butt hole
Well, not all of em, but just sitting here following and waiting for the matches I wanted
this is gon' be a great game
has canada v netherlands started yet?
i turned off twitch for a bit
saving battery
kings row again
I mean how many hybrid is there actually
Had I been wearing my over ear headphones my whole head would probably be hurting right now
Mentally drained
o
Fuck what you got to say about west and korea anyway, I'll figuratively suck KR dick just because I love seeing their plays
I'll literally suck jehong's and saebyeolbe's dicks
Heck if a new "old" Rogue appeared in the west I'll suck their dick too tbh
clipped
holfy fuck
first non drunk blade for months
agilities is littttttt af
hey dude Agilities is underage, he cant get drunk
mANGACHU DVA
Agilities
it's too much sugar
ResidentSleeper
Agilities wtf
I wish people in my comp games were as good as Agilities FeelsBadMan
WHAT
AGAIN
holy shit
for sure yeah
This might end up being the best game in Katowice
joe?
I'm also really impressed with vizility
canada is being messy again
they threw him around like a volleyball
wouldn't do much
Dutchies gonna develop PTSD if this happens one more time
feelsbad that a nano dragonblade can kill through trans
Gonna stay off QP and Comp for a day or two now
you need other damage
what do u guys predict? 3-0 canada?
Wannabe Genji's everywhere
it doesnt singlehandedly burst through trans
I hope Canada wins.
I say that as a European.
s4 is behind lol
why is he all alone like that??
he couldnt back out?
why not just let yourself die quickly
he staggered himself like 20s
they have to do something about mangachu
he wanted to charge his ult as fast as possible
and potentially get a pick/desuit dva
which he almost managed
xQc again
lmfao
seems optimistic to desuit dva when you're the only pressure and she has 3-4 teammates with her
and she can just duck behind point
twoeasy mccree
isnt that the same winston plushie that got posted on here lol
Lol

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@toxic yacht I just got home tell me how the days gone @pine star
please
lots of hearts
oooo
SK gg ez

Im grinding in OW just to get credits so I can't watch the game.Im just here to see who's winning
i thought canada was suppsed to face russia
they did

did sk win? LOL
how did it go
Russia collapsed against Mangachu
But Oasis tie-breaker was bound to go in Canada's favor
im sad i missed it

lol what does he play again?
winston
agilities plays tracer?
yes
he plays pharah, hog, 76, tracer and genji
nl misses flexibility
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this is the 3rd time
i just got home lol

also, sombra on sanctum
cant be slow if youre not home
no
you have interwebz
doesnt count
on your phone
xqc died??
lmao
how can you even counter a sombra that has all healthpacks
vizility is kind of good
guess I'll die
damn
this is what i like
damn
Glad they left this one for the end lol
mangachu pls
I really like Mr X casting
He needs more game knowledge in general
But that can be improved
daily reminder that he's the one who said "Bionic Grenade"
I will never forget
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lol
died with rez, mercy main btw
lmao, vizility spamming his ult status
bo5
oh
With the 5th being sd on Oasis
pharmercy and mercy herself makes me tilt so much
fuck mercy
Same
delet mercy
"fuck yes we got a push" i dont think so, uses ult
whenever people complain about pharah they actually complain about pharmercy
tbh these maps vs netherlands are not clean
She's hot as a hot steaming pile of shait
ur hot
look just cus another has a better one doesnt make hers worse
it does
well, fuck ur waifu
Netherlands 
shes not my waifu lel
well we'll get 1 more game
I want all 5 reeeeeeeee
i mean the first 2 maps with s4 were deserved. just fuck mercyyyy
It's kimchi with kebab
๐ poutine ๐
Yeah it's a Canadian delicacy

well, there is misfits tviq
and tviqz
poutine
Yum
I just remember that time TviQ challenged Sojum to a 1v1 

you know, I really want to make a comparison to something right now
@pine star other way around
but nah
You actually changed your profile pic lol
I changed my pic when I joined his server
changed my nick the moment he became active

._.
stop being dead
it's joinvoicepls lol
He's broken again
yep
yeet
kek
He's Canada's sub Sojum smh
JoeMeister got sick from eating so much poutine
So JoeMiester is replacing him
i feel like not knowing how to counter sombra wont get you far in blizzcon
ah
you don't counter sombra, you just hope that you can use the 3 second window when emp is down or force a bad EMP because EMP is up ever 3 seconds
yeah ok
if you're playing vs an equally skilled team it's really more about the other team fucking up an EMP
dante can play sombra right
I should main Sombra 
so he doesn't have very much professional experience on her
oh
Sulli Im sure youll be great with her
Can't aim on Winston 
xQc doing his best miro impression
Man, Uber is lowkey the best caster in the scene atm
LETS GO SUREFOUR LETS GO
Nice pulse bomb S4
that was 2 easy
Heck you

Nope

Who was Sombra then?

I'm not crazy 
Report 2ez 
2easy on widow 
Time to hard carry
t0xic
Get dove idiot 
nice feed xqc
ITS ABOUT SENDING A MESSGAE
that lasted long
roolf 
Fuck that guy
good game blizz
I love how no one complains when it happens to lucio though

no bias guise
I swear
No refund
LOL
totally not salty support mains
HAHAHAHAHA
Get fukd idiota
@toxic yacht 
these visors
2ez throwing hard
I mean people complain about refunds but if they were instant cast with no refund Genji and 76 mains wouldnt complain 
lul
FEED ME
2ez 
At least he's only feeding 150hp 
Agilities went to spawn and healed himself a nice whole 30hp
i find it kinda schocking
insert genji need healing overused meme
that nl didnt even get 1 map
how did twoeasy die to lucio?
spam
mercy deleted
yee
so they only need to win 3
4hp
4 hp
xQc?????????????
why the solo rez?
f e e d i n g
ah, swap
Because yolo yolt

wasted rez
morte?
well, they can nano vizility
LOL
aaaand agilities
bruh
Vizibily throwww
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Agilities 
LMFAO


this happened again
nub netherlands only 1 trick.
with vizility
Agilities > Shadowburn confirmed
go canada?
I missed this one
was very good yes
Go repair yourself
Jamerson going for the booty ๐
d a n t u h
i actually didnt know fl0w3r was 17
Time to watch my boys Flash Wolves win it all 
world cup is over now right?
No @balmy flower
l meant for the group
semis are gonna be sweet
Goldenboy 
Is Overwatch world cup live streamed on youtube?
Yes
Is it official it didn't look like the post popular stream was coming from an official channel?
Not really sure if it's official 
it's not official
blizz still doesn't have any official OW esports channel because lol
the livestream is multiple "ow esports" channels
yeah i feared that the quality isn't as good as twitch one. I just wish Blizzard simulcasted on both the platforms. Youtube livestreams runs way better for me than Twitch.
That was a fun weekend
How was the last day?
Intense!
So many people cheering and chanting. I thought I was gonna have a heart attack during Russia vs Canada
russia didnt deserve this
It was too much fun. Wish I was going to Blizzcon. ๐ญ
Did you finally get to see the casters on the last day?
as if they had any chance at beating canada
its wasnt 100% canada

More like 85-15
so they still had a chance 
they did somewhat well for the first two maps
Hey guys envyus in OWL 
with a lawsuit up there butts apperently 
thanks to sk
every hero was played
except orisa
orisa is a shit hero tbh
and deserve to dont be used
i think is one of the less polished hero blizzard ever made imo
there was a rumor that orisa was made just to delay df
orisa was played
Symmetra was the only hero they dident play
nope
flower was darn close into completing all the heroes himself https://gyazo.com/ac147dce150f3fd1fb7da8ab3d16d75a
he probably could have brought out some more random picks the first 2 days
no bingo 
He had like the biggest pool throughout the entire 2017 group stage so far I think
well just a few of them he could actually play in a top tier level, but against random wc teams, easy
damn why Vake have to go in on Orisa
weaboos aren't allowed to talk here
You're a weeb too
What other pros can compare with Flower's hero pool
tviq
Other than S4 and Tviq

Really unfixed?
He has a large hero pool
He plays Zarya, Soldier, McCree, Pharah, Mei
All on a competitive level
He's certainly not Nanohana or TviQ, but he does his best
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
Nesh
I guess on a lesser scale
I know Surefour doesn't play junkrat or hog
But what heroes do these guys not play on a high level
Jake's Pharah has the potential to be throw material in its purest form
Jakes anything can be a throw because hes inconsistent as hell at times
Lol
Yeah
What team was he on b4 LGE
He's always been on that roster
And previously they were... what was it? Bird noises?
Oh
Bird Noises yes
Yeah it was bird noised
but theyve been playing with the same 6 for a while now
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LG almost certainly wont be in OWL
and 2 of their members are too young for it anyway
so the future of that team together is honestly bleak
Super and Train?
correct
Jake would be a great asset
As anything
As dps, shotcaller, even coach
The guy's such a mind for the game
He probably will be 18 by the deadline
Hell be 18 soon if he isnt already
he turned 17 this year
ok hes 18 in December

Yeah pretty sure his bday is in dec
wat
?
his twitter
oh wait i thought you meant this december
Same lol
Team Liquid has won their first match
and will play their second match to qualify to Quake Con later
liquid took a pubg team lul
jake is kind of a jack of all trades guy who isn't super amazing on anything
Jack of all trades, master of none
yee
Yep that's exactly
His nano McCree tank buster is serious business tho
-_-
btw
2 weeks and we didnt know where contenders lan will happen
or is it online?
kinda forgot
ah
6 weeks online
both NA and EU happening at the same time
wondering who will do all of the commentating
prob the same team
I just want Jkap and Uber at the same time 
maybe with some rotation, like jamerson steps out for jkap
yeah well i didnt organise it
probably going to do the same way as NGE Winter Premiere
orly?
top 4 going to LAN
they probably should make it top 4 from both regions going to a LAN
Playoffs
After the regular season ends, the top 4 teams from each region will advance to the offline playoffs at the Overwatch Contenders Season One Finals
October
hmm
Atlantic Showdown lite then? 
hm i wonder why noukky said it was just LAN finals then
so 100K for both region? c'mon
Polo pls stop the meme 
now we have 3.5m
wat @clever portal
not gonna complain about prizepool from now on
The LAN 'finals'
Their website even says top 4 go to LAN
I asked her myself the last time we talked about this
DaE sUrEfOuR AiMbOT
3.5M is nice for those teams but I hope there's real prize pools for the countless teams that wont be in OWL
One of my friends said he doesn't remember Tviq 

How do I stay friends?
S L O W P O K E
just got home again
kvo, 9/10 times when you post something
slowest of pokes
it was already posted

Kyo Sojum is just being mean it is ok
thanks oreo 
I am not okay with this
still wating for the pics tara

No one deserves such a thing

All my pics are on my camera SD card, can't put them on my computer until I'm home




oreo hasn't been the same since cwoosh started creating space

Cwoosh is a good player can't say I'm really ever thinking about him though
gods is live 
Reformed Oreo sucks
Oh wait
I read the title wrong lol
I'm sorry you feel that way
Oreo got a friend? 
me
bring back overwatch

Make Overwatch great again

omg i literally cannot even

omg my god you people are actually french
Talk about trigger happy lol
omg im literally so triggered rn im literally having a breakdown im crying holy shit you people fucking suck i hate all of you oreo you fucking weeb
Feel better Sojum
die
Wew lad
always oreo fault smh
Oreo you fuck, apologize
Sorry :<
You just told me to not do what you say, so should I or should I not listen to that?
No reforming 

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Double kill
leaving ow for a 2k viewer esport
nice meme
#worth
I like how winz is wearing a different jersey
Has to
sponsorless also
He has the sponsorless
Because rogue has different sponsors
Which is why I said he has to
or maybe because everything stupid he's doing
Not officially under Liquid
who cares about not quake champions
when is Slasher on?
Quake
:slowpoke:
lmfao what is this
PEEK! PEEK PEEK PEEK PEEKPEEKPEEKPEEK...
Team Liquid vs Team Johnson now
Winz fragging out on Quake 
qualified for Quake Con too
yes
2K viewers
it's hard for casual people to watch something like Quake or UT
probably
(and play)
Aren't Winz and Rapha like 2 of the world's best
so is dahang
So... a super squad?
yes








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