esports-discussion

[toxic yacht]

soon enough

[solid spear]

Eff you

[toxic yacht]

if dive becomes less prevelant

[balmy wolf]

once D.va is out of the meta, the nade complaints might be resurfacing again

[solid spear]

And I always hated that fucker Winston

[rapid oxide]

Mercy is too bad, buff her after buff thid won't solve anything now MERCY TOO OP

[toxic yacht]

anti heal is still ridiculously op

[spring lintel]

At least ana required skill

[solid spear]

You're triggering people

[toxic yacht]

like, even now it's stupid strong, although it's situational

[balmy wolf]

I found people that complains about the Ana nade being too easy kind of missing the forest for the trees

[toxic yacht]

mostly on defenses if you can get around matrix

[spring lintel]

Unique

[toxic yacht]

then dive

it's a free teamwipe

[balmy wolf]

sure, but discord is infinitely more consistent.

[toxic yacht]

like, rogue vs eUnited on hanmura is a perfect example of how ridiculous nade is

both matches

[solid spear]

Bubble and Matrix both make her a lot worse and they're both constantly up

[toxic yacht]

but yeah, it's situatinal

discord gives no shit about matrix

discord lasts through shields

[solid spear]

Zens also really good so you trade a lot for Ana

[toxic yacht]

discord has no cooldown

etc

[spring lintel]

LOL. Can ana do anything inside a matrix?

[solid spear]

They're both strong in different situations

[toxic yacht]

ana is worthless in matrix

she can nano though

[spring lintel]

Literally

[solid spear]

I honestly think Ana/Zen are pretty balanced rn it's just a meta thing

[toxic yacht]

eh

nade complaints

are gonna be back

after dva is out

because anti heal is lol

[solid spear]

Not from me lol but you already know how I feel about Ana

[toxic yacht]

yes, you want to fuck old ladies

smh weebs

[solid spear]

Whose mans

That's Sulli

[toxic yacht]

I want a Sulli body pillow

[solid spear]

Weeb

[spring lintel]

Yeah meta thing

Anas dmg should be back

Instead of the paint ball sniper she got rn

[solid spear]

Eh I mean I liked Anas old damage but she's fine rn honestly

[spring lintel]

She is fine but imo all heroes should have a bit of a high dmg if they dont have any movement

But thats just me

[toxic yacht]

reminder that she could twoshot tracer

landing two shots on her counter for a kill

is not okay

[spring lintel]

She cant tho rn?

[solid spear]

Zen has better ult, doesn't get cucked by Monkey, D.Va, no cd discord, Ana has insane healing, anti heal, sleep theres tradeoffs

[spring lintel]

3 shots

[solid spear]

3 shots Tracer, 4 shots other squishes

Rn

[spring lintel]

3 shots is a lot

[toxic yacht]

like, she could 2 shot tracer

and 3 shot normal dps

[spring lintel]

Tracer can recall

[toxic yacht]

with no falloff

and hitscan

on a support

[spring lintel]

Hitscan when scoped only

[toxic yacht]

that's fucking ridiculous

[spring lintel]

Tracer is fast as fuck

[toxic yacht]

literally 2 shots

[solid spear]

If you want Ana to do that much damage something else had to give

[toxic yacht]

it's not hard to land them

if she recalls then it's 3

[solid spear]

She did too much

[toxic yacht]

compare that to now

where tracer has much more windows

to recall

[spring lintel]

Tracer is already very steady

[toxic yacht]

like, fucking pro tracer and genjiplayers were afraid of attacking ana

because she'd just throw her pissjar at the ground

and use her broken 80 dmg

[solid spear]

Anas very vulnerable now with her damage really taking a hit but she's a support and does a shit ton of healing that makes sense

[toxic yacht]

and then lucio would jut amp

[spring lintel]

Ana should be scary to get close to

She is just too slow

[solid spear]

No she shouldn't be

She's a support

[spring lintel]

All support can survive

[toxic yacht]

she's a support, she shouldn't be capable of 1v1ing flankers

[spring lintel]

Not this one

[toxic yacht]

flankers are literally her counter

[balmy wolf]

there's a bit of an interesting condundrum with Ana and Zen. Zen provide better consistent killing power but with a sustain ult. While Ana provide better consistent healing power but with a teamwipe ult.

[toxic yacht]

zen can also 1v1, but it's a skill matchup

the matchup with ana was in ana's favour

now it's also a skill matchup

[spring lintel]

Ana now get fucked no matter what

No skill required

[toxic yacht]

because dive

[solid spear]

Zen has retarded damage because of his healing being way less

[toxic yacht]

put dive away

and she's good again

[solid spear]

Ana had no trade off

Her healing was still amazing too

[spring lintel]

With that logic nerf lucio's mobility then

[balmy wolf]

^

let's make a support even more effective 1v1 because of reasons

[solid spear]

I mean I'm in the minority but I think Lucio does too much especially after his buffs but that's another thing

[toxic yacht]

lucio is a weird case

I can't see them nerfing him without dumpstering him

[solid spear]

I don't think his damage shouldve been buffed considering how fucking good his kit is

[toxic yacht]

also, I actually think that his omnipresence is healthy for the game

imagine

pushing through a choke

with a deathball

without lucio

one of those really tight chokes

[solid spear]

He's still mandatory on defense and koth

[toxic yacht]

like, engaging

disengaging

etc

would be cancer

if it weren't for his omnipresence

[solid spear]

Idk his 25% damage buff was eh though

Hed be good without it

Not that it really bothers me

[toxic yacht]

I mean, the thing with lucio is

if you already cannot nerf him

at least make him more fun to play and give him more playmaking potential

[solid spear]

But I think he's actually the hardest support to 1v1 as a flanker

[toxic yacht]

so I'm kinda fine with it

depends imo

[solid spear]

Cuz of consistent aura, boop, mobility, surprise damage

[toxic yacht]

but yes, he's annoying af to 1v1 as a flanker

still 10x better than old ana though

lul

I'm fine with lucio being hard to 1v1 though, mostly because his effects are more passive except he gets aggro

when he gets aggro killing him is also 10x easier

ana did a thousand things and was impossible to 1v1 though

[rapid oxide]

approx 12h from now, apex finals

[solid spear]

I'm not arguing that Ana shouldn't have been nerfed

[rapid oxide]

but im not hyped

[toxic yacht]

same

[solid spear]

Just that Lucios probably overturned but were used to it/don't care

[toxic yacht]

lul, I don't care about this season

I mean, I wouldn't care anyway, mostly because his effects are mostly passive, as I mentioned

[clever portal]

I get tilted watching even OW streams

What is wrong with me

[solid spear]

I do miss Ana though easily the most fun support to spectate, less so cuz they can't make as many plays but still loved it when she was meta

But she can come back if the right things change she's not underpowered

[toxic yacht]

spectating zen is better fite me

[solid spear]

Of course the robot from Asia you prefer you weeb

[toxic yacht]

B O D Y P I L L OW

[solid spear]

?

[toxic yacht]

yes

[solid spear]

I know nothing bout em

[toxic yacht]

btw, what's the source of "blizzard balances the game around tracer"?

I see it get thrown around all the time

but I've never actually heard or read it directly come out of blizzard

I'm not even sure if it's actually true, lel

I mean, the fact that she has recieved zero changes somewhat implies that

[balmy wolf]

just more shit out of people's ass

[red anvil]

its just that tracer never have been touched

so people assume that means they balance around her

people are idiots

[solid spear]

They've never said that to my knowledge people just throw that shit out cuz they've never changed her and say shes the most balanced hero and Blizz balances around her

Which is a kek

[toxic yacht]

I actually still think that she's the most balanced hero, lul

she just gets mega enabled in this meta

like, enabled to the point that she's mandatory

the most questionable thing about her balance is pulse bomb, but it wouldn't be as extreme if different characters were around

inb4 taimou comes here and kills me

[solid spear]

I don't think she's the most balanced hero cuz even at her worst she's pick more than the majority of characters

[balmy wolf]

remember when people complains about how Tracer farm bombs off of tanks and now turns out her bomb can be farm just as easily with squishies?

[solid spear]

And Im saying this as someone who has significantly more playtime on her than any other hero in the game I have nothing against her

[toxic yacht]

I dunno, she's the type of hero who will never be garbage by design

[solid spear]

When I think about the most balanced heros I think more like...Rein, Zen, McCrees actually not super far off characters like that

I don't think Tracers broken or anything anyway, Maybe bomb charges too fast thats debatable

[toxic yacht]

means of bomb damage mitigation are pretty much non-existant atm

I mean, you have matrix

but you can get around that ezpz

that, combined with how people often clump up, tends to lead to ridiculous multikills

[solid spear]

Zaryas dead atm so doesnt help but if tanks come back with new grav shell be better against her

[toxic yacht]

zarya is a funny case

right now she gets destroyed by tracer, but in a deathball she's suddenly decent against her

[solid spear]

Tracer farms her

[toxic yacht]

i've always fiund that interesting

lul

[solid spear]

It's not just Tracer I think

Dive in general

[toxic yacht]

it's everything atm

but tracer hardcore fucks her

[solid spear]

It's like how she's good against D.va but you don't run her anyway

Also in deathball Sojum if Tracer wanted to farm Zarya that means she wadnt farming Hog hed punish you

[toxic yacht]

hog

[solid spear]

They watch out for each other

[toxic yacht]

lul

ya, I know exactly why she works agains ther in deathballs

I just found it to be a funny observation

[solid spear]

Zarya I think is strong though she'll defintely be back

[balmy wolf]

her new Grav is AIDS

[toxic yacht]

also, watching tviq's stream today

everyone using new grav

as an excuse

to play zarya

people running dva zarya the whole time

lulz

[balmy wolf]

the new Grav is OP tbh

[solid spear]

Hog annoys me cuz even if his new iteration is good I don't want to play him anymore, I hate this hero ;_;

[toxic yacht]

yeah, I think so too

zarya was in no need of buffs, especially not grav

[solid spear]

Idk it was honestly a lil bs how half your team could just leave grav

[toxic yacht]

grav was basically an "I win" button if you placed it well

now it's even more of that

except you use magic/trans or the other team massively fucks up

it's basically an uncounterable teamwipe

[balmy wolf]

btw, Grav + Meteor Strike = insta wipe.

[toxic yacht]

yup

[balmy wolf]

no counter is available, too.

[clever portal]

Me reading Zarya didn't need a buff

[toxic yacht]

I actually talked about new grav with tviq for a short time

he actually likes the change

[solid spear]

I love it

[toxic yacht]

basically, in his opinon, grav should be a win condition

[solid spear]

It makes sense

[clever portal]

Old grav was bad in pro play

It's the longest charging ult

[balmy wolf]

maybe buffing her in some place but not the Grav. The new Grav is AIDS. Wait until more people getting fucking rekt with it and the cry will pour in.

[clever portal]

Getting 1-2 people is not enough value

[solid spear]

It's a slow win con but that's what it is

[clever portal]

You could do the same with any offense ult, and those charge much faster

[toxic yacht]

I don't like it at all

[solid spear]

In dive literally half your team said fuck grav and left

[clever portal]

Grav should be a team kill, like shatter. High value ult

[toxic yacht]

I already dislike how grav was pretty much "lul xd I won"

now it's uncounterable "lul xd I won"

[clever portal]

The problem is people don't position like a death ball anymore

[toxic yacht]

yes, and then deathball comes back

[clever portal]

Can you see anyone in Apex getting a 6 man grav on dive?

[solid spear]

Why should Tracer and Genji be able to counter such a slow building ultimate with basic abilities

[toxic yacht]

and everyone positions like deathball again

[clever portal]

Zarya doesn't mean deathball

The LH signature comp was Zarya dive

[toxic yacht]

I'm not saying that zarya = deathball

also, zarya dive was just oldschool dive

back after 0HL was removed

every dive was with zarya

[solid spear]

I'm actually still really fucking curious what the other hero changes Geoff was talking about on Tuesday

[toxic yacht]

you can go back to ESL and see nV, rogue and ReU running zarya dives

I meant if dives get weaker at some point, there is literally no counterplay to grav

[clever portal]

Even old dive was better than DVa dive though

Zarya shields are very balanced

On cooldown, one person

200 damage

[toxic yacht]

also, genji and tracer could always escape with basic abilities, never made grav underpowered

it was always the strongest ult in the game

now they just made it even stronger

lul

[clever portal]

Grav CAN still get eaten

[solid spear]

Zarya dive is super good for NV in particular cuz imo Mickie is a better Monkey/D.va and Cocco a better Rein/Zarya

[clever portal]

You can charge your ult for no use

Or deflected

[toxic yacht]

so?

dva

has 4 seconds to eat grav

[solid spear]

If your grav gets eaten you misplayed usually

[toxic yacht]

genji has 2

it's your fault

if it's eaten

[clever portal]

So this is why Zarya wasn't run

Zarya was getting cucked too much

[solid spear]

Although D.vas did get good at it especially in Korea

[toxic yacht]

zarya was getting destroyed by dives focusing her

[clever portal]

I remember on Eichenwalde, Hoon got 4 grav's eaten once

[toxic yacht]

and not because of grav

[solid spear]

That was a problem

[toxic yacht]

that's because hoon was playing like a retard

you don't

simply

throw 4 gravs

[clever portal]

If it's so simple

[toxic yacht]

and have them all eaten

with no fault of your own

[clever portal]

How are the top level players ignoring it?

How is the no. 1 zarya player getting it eaten?

[toxic yacht]

because he was being dumb

that's why

he made misplays

[solid spear]

The argument against the change is basically grav shouldnt affect me if I play this hero which I kinda disagree with

[toxic yacht]

like, they never desuited dva

they never did anything

he literally just grav'd

with zero regard

that's 100% on hoon

[clever portal]

Very few teams desuit

[toxic yacht]

then that's the team's fault

not dva's

[clever portal]

I think only LH with their sombra comps

[toxic yacht]

actually, no

pretty much every korean team

desuits dva

before visor

[clever portal]

It's a lot of effort, matrix, she can fly away etc

[solid spear]

Eh

[toxic yacht]

if she flies away then just grav

she's looking into the other direction

like, there are so many ways

around matrix

[clever portal]

Which bring us back to the start

Where there is no one to grav in dive meta

[toxic yacht]

but people choose the riskiest thing

and just pray

[clever portal]

Going to get a two man on a soldier and zen?

[toxic yacht]

zarya isn't not picked because of grav

it's literally impossible

to farm energy

in this meta

that's why

[solid spear]

I agree with that but

I do think grav changes make sense

It's kinda like the Rein nerf, did he need one at the time no but it was about making things work the way that people expect they should

[clever portal]

Rein was weird though

The problem was getting shattered in weird places

[solid spear]

It's weird if you have this slow win con and half the enemy team negates it by pressing shift

[clever portal]

For example on top of some buses

[solid spear]

Yeah because it was weird that Rein would snipe Pharahs and shit

[clever portal]

But isn't the solution not letting shatter climb those objects?

[solid spear]

Even if he wasnt op

[clever portal]

Instead of nerfing it globally

[toxic yacht]

also, grav literally pulls you into place

when I first played ow

I expected to be capable of dashing

or blinking

or flying out

not being capable of doing that feels much more unintuitive

[solid spear]

Well Idk I watched well before I played so I knew you couldn't so maybe I just was used to it

[toxic yacht]

I started playing during open beta, so ye

could be taht

lul

[solid spear]

I did too

Lol

[toxic yacht]

I mean, I literally gave zero shits

about ow

before open beta

I just installed it because my classmates were talking about it

and I was like "why not"

[solid spear]

I watched the game and thought I wouldn't buy it cuz I was (And still am a console player)

[clever portal]

I didn't care about overwatch

Till free weekend

[solid spear]

But I decided to get in on PS4

[clever portal]

Looked weird

[solid spear]

And then realized my laptop could run it so I bought it again

[toxic yacht]

100$ gone

lulz

[clever portal]

Sojum you missed dafran stream

Oreo getting farmed

[toxic yacht]

wat

[solid spear]

I don't regret it honestly

[clever portal]

Dafran played 3 GMs v 6 plats

[solid spear]

Even on console I had fun with it

[clever portal]

Oreo was a plat

I thought you were bronze 👀

[toxic yacht]

lulz

he played vs his subs or wat?

[solid spear]

Well we did sub games for a couple hours then I guess he got bored and said let's do 3GM vs 6 Plats

[toxic yacht]

lul

[clever portal]

Oreo on hog

Hog in 2017

[toxic yacht]

wtf is hog?

[solid spear]

I wanted to get farmed by my dad

[toxic yacht]

I'm gonna 1v1 tviq one day

I still have the screenshot

also, did he play tracer?

[solid spear]

He played Tracer and Soldier and all his tryhard shit

[toxic yacht]

lol

[solid spear]

Only reason so played Hog was no healing and playing D.Va without heals is aids

[clever portal]

Hey, you had a mercy

[solid spear]

But back to Zarya I like her buff and that they got creative with it

[toxic yacht]

should have played tracer

[solid spear]

It made sense

[toxic yacht]

to 1v1 him

challenge him

[solid spear]

They locked it ;_;

[balmy wolf]

this reminded me when some guy posted in r/compow saying that Mercy is "the best burst healer with a beam"

[solid spear]

I'm terrible on the other 24 heros

[toxic yacht]

I remember that

lul

[balmy wolf]

he accused me of having an agenda lulz

[solid spear]

I need to just transition to Tracer one trick completely

[toxic yacht]

I also remember some idiot in ranked trying to tell me that I should swap off ana

and go mercy

because mercy heals more

[solid spear]

I refuse to play Mercy ever

[toxic yacht]

like, I told him that she objectively heals less

and he was like "no"

[solid spear]

I'd just tell em to fuck off

Just because they said Mercy

[toxic yacht]

I told him to fuck off mentally, didn't feel like getting toxic. Don't like being tozic in games, it's dumb

lul

dumbfuck

I should seriously curse less

[solid spear]

I only curse online lol

[toxic yacht]

I keep my toxicity to myself and discord, lul

[solid spear]

But I do it a ton thinking about it

[toxic yacht]

if you'd hear me speak german you'd probably recognize every 5th word because it would be "scheiße"

lul

and a few "fucks" thrown inbetween

[solid spear]

Smh

[clever portal]

Toxic

[toxic yacht]

not toxic in-game

toxic in my mind

[solid spear]

I've had people in plat tell me to off Tracer cuz she's bad on defense

[toxic yacht]

same

lul

like, wat?

she's legit one of the best picks on 2cp B

it's not even hard

[solid spear]

Like my bad I guess I'll go McCree or some shit

Lol

[toxic yacht]

just farm pulsebomb every teamfight and sticky the tank

push instantly killed

lul

[solid spear]

Like if anything

Id RATHER play her on defense

[rapid oxide]

Yamete pls

[solid spear]

Weeb

[rapid oxide]

https://twitter.com/liquidrapha/status/891036791809204224

Shane Hendrixson (@liquidrapha)

TIL @Rogue_winz dreams of @Quake. But was there a payload is the question? 🤔

Twitter

[balmy wolf]

they actually qualified for regional finals btw

[wintry matrix]

it would be interesting if winz quit to see who would replace and what would change in rogue

prob not much

[toxic yacht]

winz hates playing lucio iirc

he was so happy when he got to play zarya

lul

[balmy wolf]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6q4hl5/looking_for_manager/dkuicku/?utm_content=permalink&utm_medium=front&utm_source=reddit&utm_name=Competitiveoverwatch

this whole comment chain regarding Tier 2 is cringeworthy

[pine star]

https://twitter.com/ZackLombardo_/status/891034647626489857

ZachaREEE (@ZackLombardo_)

Honestly right now it feels like whichever team gets more bs Doomfist kills wins

Twitter

Doomfist confirmed trash and broken Bliz pls fix or delet

[balmy wolf]

can confirm from watching my team scrims

[toxic yacht]

tviq thinks that he'll be map dependant

note that he's literally the only person whom I've heard talk about him a bit

[solid spear]

I mean DF does exactly what people complained about Hog about

I don't think hes broken anyway

[wintry matrix]

he doens't really

[solid spear]

But they have a couple weeks til Contenders to figure shit out

[red anvil]

is people actually managing to use DF effectivly now?`

[toxic yacht]

no, he doesn't really

doomfist is an all in character

hog was kind of the opposite of DF in how he gets oneshot

then there is the fact that missing the oneshot is basically feeding

[pine star]

The difference between DF and Hog is that Doomfist one shot ability is in a 4s cd

[toxic yacht]

because of his big-ass hitbox

[pine star]

With much more mobility

[solid spear]

Hog fed regardless

[pine star]

That's what some pros have been saying anyway

[solid spear]

And didn't have hook on 4 seconds cd

[balmy wolf]

the thing about Doomfist now is that it is really RNG with his right click. And teams aren't used to be able to punish him just yet.

[toxic yacht]

hook was less predictable, a more reliable oneshot and could be done safely from a distance

literally 20 meters

and he pulled you into his team

instead off all inning

[pine star]

LFD
Looking for d...

[red anvil]

the only simlarity with hook and rocket punch is the one hit potential

[toxic yacht]

yeah, there is a massive fucking difference

[red anvil]

the simalarity stops there

[solid spear]

Once again I don't think hes broken but obviously he can bring the same frustration

Hog wasn't broken either

[toxic yacht]

eh

[solid spear]

But tilted tf out of people

[toxic yacht]

you can dodge and predict it more reliably

and chances of him being a detriment is much higher than with hog

[red anvil]

getting hooked 20m away by a random hook aimed at someone else would make me tilt more

[toxic yacht]

with hog you'd get a 6v5, feed a bit and still win because numbers advantage > ult advantage in a teamfight

[balmy wolf]

the thing about Rocket Punch right now is that the hitbox is really random. Think of how Reinhardt's charge's hitbox fucked up every now and then, but it is worst.

[toxic yacht]

with DF you're potentially just making it a 5v5

[red anvil]

or 6v5

so easy to fuck up with DF

[toxic yacht]

punishing DF is gonna be easier than punishing hog once teams figure him out

imo

[red anvil]

agreed

[wintry matrix]

DF only one-shot if hits a wall right? aside from the combo

[red anvil]

yeah

[toxic yacht]

yup

[balmy wolf]

ironically, sometimes it is actually better to brawl it out as Doomfist. Use all your cooldown and pray for the god that you can get some damage in. His passive is strong in that regards

[toxic yacht]

yeah

[wintry matrix]

that's the only part i worry about him

[balmy wolf]

He is going to be good in closed map like Lijiang Tower Control Center.

[toxic yacht]

jeph actually mentioned that in the introduction video

he kinda said that DF is this all inny guy where you'll sometimes die because of your aggression etc

[red anvil]

and nepal village

[toxic yacht]

so yeah, he was designed

with that in mind

[balmy wolf]

personally he is a more bullshit Genji tbh

at least you know Genji has to aim

I've seen a no-idea-how-to-play Doomfist getting kill just by aim at a general direction

and hope for the best

[toxic yacht]

ya, it feels super random rn

people have like, no idea how to do anything with Df

I'm gonna wait for a while

until he gets completely figured out

before I make any big declarations

[balmy wolf]

it is frustrating because he can burned all of his cooldown and somehow still alive just because teams aren't used to play against him just yet.

[toxic yacht]

also, another thing that pushes him further from hog is that his oneshot is more situational

can only oneshot with a wall

like, there are a lot of differences between them

the comparisons just feels like roadhog salt tbh

[solid spear]

I mean I think he's balanced and well see more in contenders and get a better idea I'm just still salty

[toxic yacht]

I'll just wait

atm no one has any idea how to do anything with or against him

feels very random

[red anvil]

i was sceptical to bring a melee hero into the game from the start

[balmy wolf]

i mean at least you know when you are hooked it is not some random number generator bullshit

[red anvil]

which is actually offensive hero

[toxic yacht]

if his oneshot turns out to be as annoying as hog's, I'm open to changing my stance

[balmy wolf]

meanwhile the Rocket Punch is literally RNG in that regards. Either you roll a 1, or roll a 6

which is kind of stupid

then again it fits with MO up until this point

where all their games has a solid amount of RNG to please the casuals

[red anvil]

i'm still convinced he'll be another junkrat but yes we'll see

[solid spear]

I think there's like no chance hes that bad but well see

[toxic yacht]

Ya, I also think that he's gonna be decent at worst

[solid spear]

I mean he could be badish and not meta but I dont think he 'll be borderline worst hero in the game bad

[red anvil]

I think he can work really good as long as the whole team builds around him

But trash tier if not

[balmy wolf]

Doomfist has no range and hitscan/long ranged projectile fucks him

so that's going to be a key if anyone wants to counter him

[supple nymph]

https://twitter.com/Grego_OW/status/891059049428602882

Greg McAllen (@Grego_OW)

It's weird. It's like the biggest Overwatch leagues is coming and theres no place to prove your team is better and worth a spot! OWpolitics

Twitter

[wintry matrix]

because Contenders didn't happen

[solid spear]

If you're not in contenders the only tournament for the foreseeable future your team will not be picked up

They have to hope to be picked up as individual FA

[wintry matrix]

oh

what is there after WC?

[solid spear]

OWL

WC is after Free agency anyway

[wintry matrix]

oh, then there won't be that much of a gap

[solid spear]

A lot is riding on the next 3 months

[wintry matrix]

i'd assume contenders and the leagues that lead up to it will start shortly after

[solid spear]

And a lot of pros have no way no showcase themselves in that period

[wintry matrix]

Open division is still going is it?

[solid spear]

I think so

I think the Arc6/LGE/C9s of the world are gone honestly after missing contenders

They'll probably end up looking for individual opportunities

[wintry matrix]

tbh these 3 teams didn't accomplish much, so if anything this period will just be the catalyst

if they disband that is

[solid spear]

Depends on the definition of accomplishing much, one could argue only a handful of western teams have accomplished anything doesn't mean everyone else should die

[wintry matrix]

fair enough

tho c9's case is worse because they have very talented players, an established org which once was top tier

[solid spear]

Whether or not you like Blizz or are optimistic about OWL it really has sucked to see all these teams dropped, players not knowing their future and knowing itll only continue which has been a major reason for the immense negativity lately

Hopefully League is good enough for us to end up forgetting this shitty period but it has undoubtedly been a shitty period

[wintry matrix]

oh def

at least on the good side it'll probably filter out so only those really dedicated stay

[solid spear]

Hopefully there's legitimate options for teams not in League since that'll be the majority of pros

And they aren't stranded doing nothing

[wintry matrix]

isn't the plan Open>Contenders>League ?

maybe some tourneys in between like takeover

[clever portal]

Contenders to League will have no promotion though

The question is just how viable is contenders

Will there be orgs in it?

Will it be sustainable for the players?

[spring lintel]

3 days till 1 year contracts and 50k min

😩👌

Lets hope i get a team

Lets all get teams

[balmy wolf]

time for to sign their 6 + Cwoosh, Vonethil and Mendokusaii

[clever wagon]

LGE jake

@everyone Birthday Variety Stream Live Now :PogChamp:

#general | JakeChamp · Jul 29, 2017, 12:11 AM

PogguChampu

[supple nymph]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6q7xim/verified/

L E F T

[balmy wolf]

@limber pine

@strange kindle

[limber pine]

we saw

I'm making sure a mod is on to verify him

in the way we verify ppl

[spring lintel]

I am finally a pro

I made my team

[supple nymph]

are you verified?

[clever portal]

[spring lintel]

I am looking for getting verified :EZ:

If only i had the emote goddamnit

[clever portal]

[balmy wolf]

[spring lintel]

Pepe one is like insane

It express so much

Like ez fuck u deal with it i am cool as fuck

Heh

With a smug face

[blazing parrot]

[balmy wolf]

http://www.espn.com/esports/story/_/id/20186150/counter-logic-gaming-receive-investment-madison-square-garden-company?sf101999025=1

no wonder why they are holding on to their roster for so long

[solid spear]

I mean it's not a bad roster

If they get a really nice hitscan player they can be strong

No contenders though is a rip

This is more for League

[balmy wolf]

they can pull an

just wait and get their roster in shape

although, in an interesting wrinkle regarding to LoL

that left TSM the only org that isn't invested by a VC firm

[solid spear]

?

[balmy wolf]

https://puu.sh/wVTlv/952e3467f2.png

[supple nymph]

A P E X

[clever wagon]

Real esports SeemsGood https://www.twitch.tv/eff2ct 4Head

[spring lintel]

Fuck sleep

I am just gonna stay awake for apex

[supple nymph]

[spring lintel]

Hopefully it will be epic or I swear to god i love my sleep

Btw whats going on with this bearhands guy

Who is he

And is he a meme

?

[supple nymph]

some guy from slasher discord who bitches at pros for not giving blizzard feedback

[spring lintel]

LOL

So he is a meme

Pros cant shit talk blizz

And players are not designers

[balmy wolf]

he used to work for

but given the tag

he is a manager/coach of NY OWL

so he is not "a meme"

[clever wagon]

!LFT Ford [Pharah]

some guy from slasher discord who bitches at pros for not giving blizzard feedback

Jul 29, 2017, 3:28 AM

The flying fuck?

[balmy wolf]

he is the intermediary between pros and the balance team

@supple nymph is just being an idiot as per usual

[supple nymph]

[solid spear]

So toxic

[clever wagon]

Waw taxxic

[spring lintel]

LOL

[balmy wolf]

https://twitter.com/JetSetJamerson/status/891114907680112640

Jamerson! @ home (@JetSetJamerson)

@dzMins Honestly though r/cow is just simply not a great place for discussion.

Twitter

r/cow

using screenshot from r/ow instead

somebody, plz

btw COD Global Pro League Stage 2 streamed and got like 47K viewers on youtube

meanwhile OW

[spring lintel]

Bad publicity

Cod has in game viewer

At least BO3 had one

If OW had an ingame viewer they would draw so many viewers

Probably double the current viewers

[blazing parrot]

@balmy wolf 1 year ago

what

lmfao

someones got too much time

[tawny parcel]

Hi

[solid spear]

Hello

[spring lintel]

SLEEP IS FOR THE WEAK

Lets go 24 hours up

[marsh prawn]

xd

[tough wind]

@supple nymph u @ me?

[spring lintel]

Fuck u got a good avatar picture 👍

[gusty notch]

[spring lintel]

Even harb is getting tilted from comp

[solid spear]

Apex

[forest raven]

Less than 4 hours

[spring lintel]

Less than 3 get ur time right

[gusty notch]

[forest raven]

APEX begins at 7PM KST. It is currently 3:18PM KST @spring lintel

[red anvil]

no its in less then 3 hours :p

it starts 11 am CEST @forest raven it's 8:19 atm

so he's deffo correct

[clever wagon]

Pre-match show

[red anvil]

hmnn maybe i guess

[spring lintel]

Fuck I should have slept

But now there's no going back

[solid spear]

I heard it was an hour earlier than normal

In a little under 3

That's what it says on gosu and over.gg at least

[clever wagon]

https://twitter.com/xQcOW/status/891180522227085312

Félix Lengyel (@xQcOW)

@Reinforce Suck ass is my answer

Twitter

Rogue BMs definitely are more classy than his

[solid spear]

He's so toxic

[red anvil]

such a disgusting behavior

[gusty notch]

He's not srs but it's not rly funny

Idk why he'd tweet that

[wary falcon]

Kdp or Lh?

[balmy wolf]

hard to say tbh

[toxic yacht]

Flame thinks KDP, I don't fucking know lul

[balmy wolf]

It is going to be strategy depth vs mechanical prowess

if have a good game plan though, could be going home empty handed

[shrewd jacinth]

APEX FINALS HYPEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[feral solar]

[wary falcon]

Still on vacations, not able to watch final match

[feral solar]

aw rip

[shrewd jacinth]

too bad

[rapid oxide]

At work

[forest raven]

https://twitter.com/ognglobal/status/891210506991685632

ognglobal (@ognglobal)

The hype is Real. Get ready for #APEX S3 Finals Lunatic-Hai VS KD Panthera in 2hours. https://t.co/RrqkKGfSJO @PlayOverwatch

Twitter

It's 8PM KST

[toxic yacht]

weeb

Kongdoo Summer Time

[feral solar]

is over.gg wrong then? aw

[forest raven]

Liquipedia doesn't lie to the people

[feral solar]

i guess 10pm isnt too bad for me either

true true

[toxic yacht]

over.gg was wrong a bunch

Wrong times for Katowice too

[vestal mortar]

Oh noey

[feral solar]

i didnt know of over.gg until someone here told me so i blame you guys for making me use it

[balmy wolf]

28 more minutes

Wait wtf

[feral solar]

no 1hr 27 min

[rapid oxide]

> over.gg

[balmy wolf]

8pm KST is in 2 hours and 26 minutes

[toxic yacht]

Tuck Fimezones

[spring lintel]

FUCK gg

I could have slept

[vestal mortar]

What am I gonna do for all that timeee ahhh

[feral solar]

Im just chilling in my bed cause its too cold to do anything else

[balmy wolf]

SilvaGunner has some quality videos to enjoy

[broken mango]

Harro

[balmy wolf]

Hey

[clever portal]

https://youtu.be/OqNOiM1ZrjE

[spring lintel]

What the fuck not even the pre show is up???

If i die it's on over.gg

[clever portal]

Does that tag even work

[bleak silo]

idk

[forest raven]

No it doesn't

[bleak silo]

does it?

[forest raven]

Ofc it doesn't

This isn't amateur hour

[balmy wolf]

So what are the predictions for tonight?

[forest raven]

4-3 KDP

[balmy wolf]

Would be nice

[outer sorrel]

@forest raven when is thing happening?

[forest raven]

45 minutes

[outer sorrel]

Waaa thought it was at 7

[forest raven]

I will post in #esports-news 10m before it starts

[outer sorrel]

You're a blessing

[forest raven]

[outer sorrel]

I guess I have time to go get snicksnacks

[forest raven]

Ye

[clever portal]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DF5DgPNXcAE4SW6.jpg

[feral solar]

are we getting more people tonight

thats fun

[clever portal]

No memes in chat though

Mods

[vestal mortar]

The mods are the best memers

[feral solar]

👮

whoru still benched right?

[clever portal]

He's there

Most probably won't play though

[shrewd jacinth]

I TSHAPPENING

[feral solar]

https://gyazo.com/9095e3dfe1aa18b8f1c9bf318fee1d35

[clever portal]

Rogue

[feral solar]

its been too long since the esca LUL

i miss it

https://gyazo.com/2aab5f61e7b8fcd15524311a792665e6

probs not gonna happen

but i hope it does

[short vault]

no english

WAIT WHAT LOL

[clever portal]

https://twitter.com/DafranOW/status/891220771422556160

Dafran (@DafranOW)

they banned my lvl 5 smurf for missing my shots on purpose in quickplay

thats a fucking LUL

Twitter

[feral solar]

Wow

[red anvil]

loool

this is great

seriously, at this point - fuck that guy

i watched that stream, he was just trolling newbies

constantly

[feral solar]

I didn't watch so idk but you think ban was justified?

[red anvil]

honestly yeah

[solid spear]

Absolutely how dare him not rape those level 5 qp players

[balmy wolf]

English is up

[feral solar]

Yeh that's what I was thinking like it's qp and he can't be try harding ever game on there

[red anvil]

he was picking troll characters, just evading shots constantly, jumping around them, pretty much humiliating them

and his MMR wont go up that way either so he could just keep doing it

[timber coral]

OGN final for season 3 just went live boyos

[smoky hinge]

this is gonna be moist

[feral solar]

I guess he shouldn't have been streaming it cause I'm sure a lot of people do it

[timber coral]

Im already moist

[solid spear]

If you're gonna say not trying/ throwing in quick play is a bannable offense you're opening another can of worms for a ton of players

[clever portal]

2 minutes

[feral solar]

Yeh even I just mess around in qp a lot

[clever portal]

Mickie ad LUL

[balmy wolf]

Gonna be a 4-1 to LH

[feral solar]

I think it's gonna be closer

[timber coral]

I mean its a best of 7

[short vault]

ALRIGHT CHAMPS

WHO THE FUCKS READY

[feral solar]

:pogchimp: :pogchimp:

[timber coral]

Im thinking 4-3 LH

[feral solar]

Yeh I think the same

[smoky hinge]

this set is insane

[red anvil]

wait

there outside?

[feral solar]

KR production

[timber coral]

Ok, who's responsible for this?? Taking nerds out of their natural habitat and make them go outside just seems like cruel and unusual punishment

[solid spear]

I'm ready for LH got the sunny side memes

[timber coral]

Though im not gonna lie, this look spicy AF

[clever portal]

The stage

[red anvil]

dosent look like there is a lot of room for people to watch tho

its a very small area

[timber coral]

Yea. you would think with the popularity of e-sports in Korea they would be able to get a bigger venue

[smoky hinge]

this is moist

[clever portal]

[timber coral]

Time to watch my bois LH spice things up

[forest raven]

OGN is a TV station in Korea

[smoky hinge]

Ye

[forest raven]

Overwatch is nascent compared to titles like LoL

[spring lintel]

Where s the english stream?

[forest raven]

https://www.twitch.tv/ognglobal

[timber coral]

/ognglobal

[forest raven]

Also in pins, channel description and #esports-news

[spring lintel]

Thanks

[red anvil]

lol

[feral solar]

this is hype

[red anvil]

all those people behind the trees

[spring lintel]

Holy shit

[clever portal]

The subs and music lol, like Anime

[red anvil]

thats such a shit venue

[timber coral]

I still think the thropy is so bland

[spring lintel]

Missed this production

[timber coral]

Damn, that AR though

[red anvil]

this is cool tho

[feral solar]

KR

[forest raven]

KR PRODUCTION

[timber coral]

Alright APEX we see you

[feral solar]

I love it

[smoky hinge]

yes

[timber coral]

Get fukt world cup

[clever portal]

[feral solar]

water type pokemons aka LH

[spring lintel]

Plz blizzard learn

[solid spear]

Whoru not free

[shrewd jacinth]

they need more chairs

[clever portal]

STAND UP

[short vault]

WHERERU

[feral solar]

Rascal 😍

[short vault]

[timber coral]

This is a horrible sequel to pokemon Go

[shrewd jacinth]

WHERE DA RAID BOSS AT

[spring lintel]

The number of viewers is depressing

[shrewd jacinth]

it's going up

chill

[timber coral]

Well for the US, its stupid a clock in the morning

[spring lintel]

Still not as much as I would have liked to see

[shrewd jacinth]

and what number is that

[timber coral]

Also probably does not help that they took a month since the semifinals

[shrewd jacinth]

oh damn

THERES MORE THAN ONE FIELD OF SEATS

[feral solar]

the korean steam has 17k

[red anvil]

looool

3 scenes

[feral solar]

eng will go up as the games start

[spring lintel]

I wanted to see around 80k+

[feral solar]

oh

[clever portal]

:VoHiYo: STAND :VoHiYo: UP :VoHiYo:
:VoHiYo: STAND :VoHiYo: UP :VoHiYo:
:VoHiYo: STAND :VoHiYo: UP :VoHiYo:
:VoHiYo: STAND :VoHiYo: UP :VoHiYo:
:VoHiYo: STAND :VoHiYo: UP :VoHiYo:

[spring lintel]

Maybe it's too soon

[feral solar]

yeahh mayve

be*

[spring lintel]

But still even they will probably get 50k max

[timber coral]

I dont like this "stand up" nonsense, Give me back "I get it"

[red anvil]

too early in US, plus peoples interest is on bottom thanks to dive

but we'll see

[shrewd jacinth]

@spring lintel LCK doesn't even get that much views if i remember correctly.

[feral solar]

ESCA LUL

[forest raven]

ESCAL

[smoky hinge]

ESCA

[timber coral]

Damn, they talkin some mad shit

[feral solar]

ahahha

[spring lintel]

Whats LCK?

[shrewd jacinth]

league of legends korea

[smoky hinge]

holy fuck lmfao

[timber coral]

The lol league in korea

These roasts though

[vestal mortar]

Jehong lmao

[shrewd jacinth]

RyuJehond Looking down on these fools

[vestal mortar]

I love it

[shrewd jacinth]

LUNATIC-BYE

[timber coral]

You dont fuck with Jehong

[spring lintel]

Lunatic bye

[balmy wolf]

Lunatic bye

[short vault]

Lunatic bye

[feral solar]

PRODUCTION

[shrewd jacinth]

KR PRODUCTION

[spring lintel]

Actual production 😭😭

[clever portal]

[timber coral]

This looks like the edgiest Korean teen drama ever made

I love it

[forest raven]

PRODUCTION VALUE

[spring lintel]

How am I gonna go back to WC shit

[feral solar]

i thought the anime marathon was on twichpresents

[velvet scarab]

holy fuck this looks nice

[vestal mortar]

[solid spear]

Whoru

[timber coral]

Blizzard take notes, this is how you hype shit up

[smoky hinge]

jesus

[shrewd jacinth]

yes

tri cast

[feral solar]

TRI CAST

[timber coral]

Alright, that suit needs to go

[feral solar]

lets go

[solid spear]

Apex is good because it's the only thing Blizzard didn't fuck up

[smoky hinge]

lul

[red anvil]

3 casters 😮

[timber coral]

He looks like he is wearing oreos

[shrewd jacinth]

damn

[red anvil]

there bringing out the big guns

[shrewd jacinth]

korean OGN channel has 20k cviews

das lit

[vestal mortar]

tfw I remember that I get to see Jehong next week 😍

[feral solar]

lucky!

i hope its fun

[spring lintel]

Anti dive 🤔

[solid spear]

[timber coral]

Dude, I wish I go to poland for the qualifiers

[clever portal]

@toxic yacht @clever wagon

Get in here

[timber coral]

That shit hype

[red anvil]

oi last patch

sweet

[vestal mortar]

[solid spear]

Roadhog lul

[red anvil]

NotGettingPlayedHog

[solid spear]

Roadhog already dead before they updated patch rip

[balmy wolf]

I GET IT

[vestal mortar]

Oh wow these outdoor booths look spacious

[timber coral]

WHERERU Biblethump

[solid spear]

Best dps duo in the game

[spring lintel]

Vs NV 4-0 lul

[shrewd jacinth]

these computer effects are fucking lit

[solid spear]

Rigged

[simple venture]

here we go boys

[feral solar]

[simple venture]

Korean overlords showing westerners how production and play is done

[feral solar]

IM READY

[balmy wolf]

I get it

[smoky hinge]

I GET IT

[balmy wolf]

WHO GETS IT

YEEE

[red anvil]

zunba

why you trolling

[feral solar]

fans in the bg

[red anvil]

pls tell me your not trolling

[feral solar]

when theres an actual fan

in the bg

[red anvil]

LOL

😦

[solid spear]

Mirror

[feral solar]

[shrewd jacinth]

holy shit

that tracking ont he lucio

just now

[feral solar]

LETS GO

[outer sorrel]

Ez

[solid spear]

Ez game

[smoky hinge]

Lunatic Hai? More like Lunatic BYE

[feral solar]

if this ends up being reverse sweep

[smoky hinge]

[feral solar]

i will legit cry

[smoky hinge]

naa let's go LH

[vestal mortar]

LUNATIC HAI FIGHTING

[feral solar]

what are your guys thoughts on pharah without mercy

idk what to think of it

[outer sorrel]

Bold move cotton

[smoky hinge]

ESCA LUL

[feral solar]

ESCA

[vestal mortar]

whhaaaaaaat

[balmy wolf]

Nice

[feral solar]

i thought that was gonna be a throw

but he got 3

[red anvil]

i was just wat

[balmy wolf]

I totally thought he'd flunk that timing

[shrewd jacinth]

that looked like a horrible tact visor

[clever portal]

Esca carry

[outer sorrel]

Pharah doing a whole lot of nothing

[feral solar]

yeah i think a mercy is needed

[smoky hinge]

LH is throwing :(

Rascal lmfao

[outer sorrel]

Genji now

Lul

[feral solar]

omg

[smoky hinge]

LUL

[feral solar]

how are they winning this fight

OMG

[clever portal]

[shrewd jacinth]

gido

doing his soloQ thing

that's why

[simple venture]

Korea positioning is god

[balmy wolf]

Oh man

[simple venture]

the teamwork is lul

[feral solar]

after looking at jehong just chilling and doing dmg i thought they will win the fight easily

guess not

[simple venture]

so unbelievable how well they focus and position

with so much chill

[shrewd jacinth]

i hope munchkin or claris comes back to LH

[solid spear]

[shrewd jacinth]

so much hype from them

[solid spear]

Rascal looks baked lol

[feral solar]

break after one map?

pls no

[red anvil]

yeah the finals are insanly long

[shrewd jacinth]

it's to extend the show

no one wants a 40min final