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Oh necro might actually not be scripting
Why?
It's just the way he play is different
I mostly use rmb then melee
Which puts a cool down on dash
But after trying to chain kills with it
It's not that hard
But his precision is terrifying
So it's not 100% confirmed
I am gonna play QP and see if I can do it
Also he said he is gonna get a hand cam
literally all he does is press shift right after pressing shift. This doesn't disprove anything, I also do that sometimes, but it's so fucking situational that it's kind of pointless. The fact that he can instantly dash into an enemy with 500% precision in the split second right the dash is finished and before the animation ends and he can even see him still doesn't get explained by this
Also, the fact that he's the only genji who reliably dashes like that is also very 
I mean hes suspect but I wont make any accuations never liked that
suspect is an understatement
then again, there are literally 2 people where I will say that I'm pretty confident in that fact that they're not legit, necros is one of them. Takes me really long before I declare someone to be above "sketchy"
Who's the other?
yes
look at this magnet
LIVE: NRG vs East Wind [Bo3] - Overwatch Alienware Monthly Melee - April Group Stage - Clipped by luiow
the magnet is so strong, it can gets pulled to a dva bomb behind a wall before landing a hundred percent accurate snap on the baby d.va that sticks to her on the exact same position
https://clips.twitch.tv/SlipperyThoughtfulBaguetteStinkyCheese
the baby dva thing could be the spectator client though, it's not really as bad as flicking on a bombbehind a wall, could be a perfectly legit flick, it just feels kinda like more stuff stacked on what he already did
funny thing is that he also miss lots of shots in the clip
the weirdest thing about the clip is just the flick on the guy whom he literally cannot see and has no business aiming at
"i thought the dva bomb was going go over the wall and fatfingered"
to who's watching Legends, how's Netherland looking?
Vivi's beat netherlands 2-0, very close games tho
Netherlands beat helsinki reds 2-0 before that tho
he posted his snap username in the ow
.-.
we're ready
I frequent there
@limber pine stiggy?
wut
Highlights 
to shitpost about doomfist
New PTR patch pls 

Vivi's vs Netherlands rematch in 9 min now, winner gets through the group and goes to semis in the playoffs of legend series
Such a disturbing emote
@thick cosmos link?
[FINAL] Viviยดs Adventure vs Team Netherlands | 3000โฌ Legend Series | Group B
got it
@limber pine where can i spam compow highlights
wherever you want Ford

Did they just nerf 2cp?
?
"Adjusted the respawn timing to limit defensive stalling strategies when the offensive team has a clear advantage and plays aggressively"
that's the shit part of his ult
uncounterable at all
except for like a split second of oh shit
I don't even think his ult is all that strong 
It's pretty easy to react too
Cept with like maybe tanks but they dont die to it
Any numbers out yet?
For the changed respawn timers
Why can't they just detail their changes 
@Alchemister5 @A_Seagull The most useless piece of patch information i have ever seen.


Any stealth changes?

PLEASE

B L U E P O S T
Bait

2 0 M I L L I O N S


What 20 milions are relevant from 2CP?

STAHP

;_;
so is Overwatch is kill?
hopeful to see my boi krusher99 crush
yeah, he's nuts
*krush
Why is everyone spamming 
Holland lost to Vivi's btw
Vivi's won 2-1
no surprise there
Yea
anyway, nice that netherlands actually has a team this year
i thought NL would do better, they have good players
R E F O R M E D
like, ardeont didn't swap off sombra when she was being countered by fl0w3r's sombra
feels like
they were treating it as a scrim
instead of legit matches
I mean, it was showmatches
Yeah, actual tournament changes a lot
lol
apparently the Blizzard correspondent in The O.W is tired with lack of pro feedback
I thought that was a joke
it seemed too stupid to be real
the key part is "nothing got done"
that can mean different things
also maybe the feedback was trash?
maybe it was whether or not to change a value from 10 to 11
and not anything important

G A M E D E S I G N G O D S
disgusting

LOL DF is OP as fuck

It's gonna be fun
His cd on the one shot is too low imo
OMG DF OP META TOO STALE FUCK YOU BLIZZARD
DF meta would be kewl
<actual meta> suck/it's boring/not viewer friendly,<previous meta> was better
<new meta> game is absolutely in an healthy state, everything is viable

It's never healthy
Just changing up the game every couple of months
Who will pick up the old selfless?
Pretty solid team
eh i think dive was the worst by far
before it at least dive was still a viable thing u could pick
it just wasnt op
There's a few teams probably better than old selfless
Unless you plan on buying dafran as well
I mean exactly with dafran
Dunno how much nekopara's pro player min salary is
Selfless wont get picked up as a whole
nekopara esport better than ow esport lul 
Dafran can probably get picked up easily
Emongg is a close second
Depends on the team
Sinatra is a one trick that can occasionally play zarya
Sinatraa isnt a one trick
Why take sinatra when u can take dafran
because Sinatraa can actually play in s1
Maybe Dafran already got bought, anyway Sinatraa is probably the top player NA
idk hes defintely the best NA Tracer, him and S4
theres plenty of teams that wouldnt buy Dafran
but he wouldnt answer when some people were asking if hes scrimming with anyone
so 
Was dafran famous before joining selfless?
he had a small following
from streaming cs
Remember the day he blew up because a toruney hosted him smurfing ๐คฆโโ๏ธ
I wouldnt say Dafran is defintely picked up lol
Have we heard anything from Miami and the patriots rosters?
Miami is Misfits
Kraft we dont know about
Oh
Kraft ๐
Hes unbanned well before OWL so I wouldnt be surprised if a couple teams took a look....Id guess hes not on an OWL roster come December if I had to guess though
I hope these team will actually make rosters and not just pick them up
youll probably seeboth
Wilpon probably going to try to build a super team
potentially
or

not convinced of Kungarna's long term strength though
and also there's Kevin Chou and NetEase
I mean if they get like top 3-4 in Contenders maybe someone will look at them
but rn Id rather try and get FNRGFE or Faze than Kungarna
highly unlikely tbh.
if I could
Faze if the rumors are correct will get a spot anyway
they might
FNRGFE potentially going to one of those owners too
the thing about
is that after their split in the beginning of the year their members never amounted to anything much afterward
so it feel like the Kungarna core isn't T1 materials tbqh
I feel like
they get away with some shit in this meta
cuz theyve got a really good Monkey andD.Va
and Mykl and Babybay can spam 76/Tracer
Babybay is kinda fine cuz he could always play Mykls Tracer and he has an ok Genji? Mykl seems like hes legit shit on other heros though
WE NEED 100k+ online tournaments
Bischu is super good
Mykl outside of his Tracer and previous D.va is just that
they lost to
for crying out loud
despite having Graceful in the roster as well
all they did was spam 3dps
When was the last time u have ever seen these teams play
back on Splyce
Freaking 6 months or something

historically
teams that are tier 1 usually has a strong front/backline
that's the first
then they has a strong pair of DPS that can actually follow it up
all has that
hell
has Esca as one of their DPS but the back/front line is so strong that they overcompensate his ESCA LUL moments
so
has the strong front/backline but Babybay/Mykl's DPS is ehhhhhh
Anime 
I love overwatch esports
dunno about Hammers, they are turnaround org and after their acquisition they've been in a bit of a slump
Meta is shit for them

@wintry matrix you forgot this http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/tcl-chinese-theatre-and-hammers-esports-create-hollywood-esports-2216509.htm
HOLLYWOOD, CA--(Marketwired - May 15, 2017) - The TCL Chinese Theatre and Hammers Esports announced the formation of Hollywood Esports (HWES), creating a new local Los Angeles "home town team." The Hammers, a well-known and highly successful esport franchise competing in competitive Overwatch, Vainglory, and Clash Royale, will now make...
they actually has a Clash Royale roster 
Mobile games 
although
with
taking the San Diego/LA spot
where should the
buy?
maybe sharing the LA spot with
?
After playing my first comp game in weeks
I understand why most ppl stopped streaming/playing
why? lol
when does the next round of the world cup start?
thanks
One week
I CAN"T WAIT A WEEK THOUGH
@solid spear can't play hog against dafran 
Rip
FA btw
which pro? i only see a mcdonalds employee
@balmy wolf i just had a game with 2 mercy mains 1 lucio main. The monkey was the lucio main and we only had 1 healer 
I dunno this stuff dont seem competitive to me
It could only be me tho

Well, EscA is LH's shotcaller as told by LTJ
Though that was said back in APEX S2, dunno if that's changed now
OBS: "hold my beer" 
Boi let Vace see you say that
This has been the first circlejerk skit by yours truly for the day
There might be more, there might not. Stay connected! ๐๐ป
yea i guess
you think there would at least be an up-tick
due to the patch
tim playing pubg
12k viewers gone just like that
I mean don't most casual viewers just watch Seagull
I forgot my client is in full weeb mode
And hes not streaming
thats the default for everyone now
Actually disgusting
crosshairs are a little bit buggy atm too
on your all heroes xhair you remove dot, itll remove dot from every single custom xhair for heroes
really annoying
I always play with short crosshair no dot, so that's not a problem for me. Still a bug though
Blizzard release patch that doesn't have bug? Next you will tell me that the sun rise from the East or some shit
tbh, there's a crunchyrool marathon following, and we all know 89% of ow players are damn weebs
what they watching
yea that's a pretty good one
Apexs final is gonna be bo7 right?
Yeah
Ew anime
he lost a bet
5 bucks a month for that, even I haven't spent money on any monthly subscription

This slander 
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Always a pleasure Oreo
I want to watch ieatuup's Tracer again one of these days
on related to Oreo: i'll be really annoyed if Mob get less views than Maid Dragon
That's not related to me at all
mob psycho? that thing was amazing


Pls ban
see, bliss never should have lifted the ban
Removed 
I mean if that Reddit acc isn't him, I'd wonder what the fuck is wrong with people complaining QP throw when they go 6 dps all the time
He's just trolling reddit
I already assumed so
So patch is live but the bullshit server matching is still there
OW is healthy - Nate Nanzer
wouldn't say he's lying tbh, tho i wouldn't phrase it that way
@solid spear ?
Hi bb

Weeb dragons on twitch feelsgoodman
32k weabs 
Bouta rewatch animus all day
Guilty! 
Gotta sub for them forever emotes
yup i should get nitro

I meant on twitch
This torture over the last month or 2 is more cruel than just killing the game in one go
Also, weeb marathon not available in my country lmao
Though I got my weeb private tracker and Nyaa so meh
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ

Weeb
YAMEROOO 
I'm gonna be streaming Lawbreakers open beta tomorrow morning! Download it now: https://t.co/eCA6Dfdand #SkilledAF #ad
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The "no 60$ mp only bs" need help from said players
ironic
There are still ppl that think to defeat Overwatch? 
Paladins is way better than LB
So is anyone going to World Cup Los Angeles?
I wish



Oh
DAE ded gaem
Roster:
@zappisOW @fragiOW @Zuppehw
@LiNkzrOW @Davin_OW @BigG00se_OW
Coach: @Seita_ow
Seita looks similar to Seija 
Who were the original NiP again?
My vocal chords are fine. Got a biopsy taken from my nose/throat area cuz there was some funny shit in there. 3 weeks and we'll know.

But aren't Linkzr and Davin upgrades though
๐ฏ Hymzi The OG Roadhog God ๐ฏ
https://puu.sh/wVl4D/46dc6d474b.png talk about the Dafran update
i hope he keeps trolling and gets banned
and goes back to cs
even he admited himself that CSGO is too high of a skill cap for him
so good luck with that
even better
Hopefully it's just a phase
phase
i dont believe his twitlonger; if he has mental problems he might just get depressed at doing everything
probably doesnt hate playing ow considering how much he has already...
until he gets help he really shouldnt make a decision like that
he never said that he hated playing OW
just that being pro is not his thing
which is perfectly understandable
ngl i would get sick of being a soldier bot too
people like to forget that it's a job. the fact that you're playing video games doesn't magically make it easy
i mean the same logic applies to being a pro
he may just be in a mental state where he hates commitment
who knows

Hymzi 
the new RIP is weird by the way
with BigGoose playing Lucio instead of Kyynel
wasn't BigGoose a DPS player?
https://puu.sh/wVlAK/04038489d2.png look at their banner you fuck
Who are you lol
whoru
no off tank player tho 
Zappis probably playing DVa like in Finland
Goose was the dps
Apparently Lucio now
Alwaysoov noted that Zappis looked uncomfortable on D.va
so he better fix that shit up before the Contenders campaign
but with Zarya possibly back in the fold
that might not be needed
tfw mafu is gone when zarya is back
Linkzr has shown proficiency on offtanks before
btw, the new Zarya grav is broken. The possibility for a counter play is even more limited.
I mean, yeah, he played off-tank for a while, but considering the size of his pool and his profiency on DPS it's a bit of a waste
he basically has the same pool like zappis, but is better
They'll figure it out, I doubt they wouldn't have thought about it before making these moves
I'm not being sarcastic
the new patch is going to be a mess. Idiot Doomfist players trying him out for lulzy, while Zarya's grav's broken. Meanwhile Reinhardt and McCree's state will be roughly the same.
I meant that they wouldn't cut him without knowing what they're doing
Anyone can play Zarya
wat
Mercedes Main


But really
Mafu was not some Zarya god
I'm sure Zappis/someone can pick her up
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he was pretty damn good
the twitlonger was posted here already yea?
i guess saying "i quit cause i dont enjoy being a pro player" is harder than throwing tons of matches and streaming almost hentai at the same time
he doesnt enjoy being pro
Yeah probably the pressure maybe
naw hes just a shithead
I dont think so honestly
He seems to have problems like xqc
But xqc seems to be working his shit out
Dafran is just lost
does xqc throw matches and stream porn
@clever portal idk probably won't be as good as Mafu on it :/
Everyone does have their own thing
He was a great Zarya
Xqc made other players throw by being toxic
What dafran did was bad reall
But if he is just a shit head why would he quit being a pro?
He has problems and thats why he cant think right
"I was only pretending to be a retard"

Could be anything honestly, we don't know the guy.
@balmy wolf "it was my plan all along
"
Looking for Dick? 

Apex in like 20 hours 
Dafran takes the easy way out
This is like fucking something up at work
Then later claiming you didn't like your job anyway
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
why do you all care so much lol
cause its amusing af
So when is OW going to overtake League as top esports game?
what oreo said


no tonic, 0/10
anyway, looks like a stronger roster because they actually have a good tracer lul
unfixed is gonna be missed though, he's super good
I'm assuming that norgac is then gonna play off-tank?
I didn't watch the scrims
But heard that Norgac wasn't that good
Also, Norgac has the visa problems as well
Norgac and Unfixed have been replaced
Visa problems to Poland 
Probably counts as work?
So you can't go as a tourist
Atleast Sharyk is in EU already
Maybe Mistakes as well
ahh
i get you
oops, I forgot that norgac was replaced
wtf, I read that he was replaced
but I thought that it was someone else for some reason
lol
yeah, sharyk and mistakes are probably better anyway
let's just hope that they can make the team work within a week
@supple nymph not sure if it would work but I guess can't hurt of just posting things.
PM sent
time to wait 
where's Jackie when you need him
@wary falcon 
Shadowburn and mistakes monkaS
"Not great news for either Canada or Netherlands here. Canada who's in a must win deathmatch versus Russia to avoid playing South Korea (if SK is able to get #1 in group which is likely), and Netherlands who's the most likely of their group to face either Russia or Canada to go to Blizzcon from the #2 spot."
ZP 
Guys I am the next dafran
I am gonna climb all the way from bronze to top 10 next season



can we stop giving attention at that retard
meanwhile http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sq2lha
Jeff Wilpon got one
https://www.twitch.tv/logixow Netherland vs Belgium now
why is this guy staying on as moderator when everyone doesn't like him and knows he's a shit mod
@limber pine
Yo
because he's a completely fine mod and the community just chose to lynch him because he was one of the few mods who actually spoke during the dafran drama
same for sprite, he never said any of the shit r/cow accuses him of saying
but nope, he opened his mouth during the dafran drama
so obviously he and euro are nazis
by "spoke" you mean being a condescending dickhead and literally telling people to leave the subreddit
Something like that
the guy was like "I'm leaving this sub"
se euro was like "leave"
I don't see anything wrong with telling anyone to leave under those circumstances
Obviously his behavior was uncalled for, but people can be leashed back a bit
i still think it's wrong that you shouldent be allowed to present public evidence to a esport/bigger personality on /r/cow
mods should be above all that petty shit @toxic yacht
I mean, yeah, I can see where you're coming from there
I also always thought that he should act a bit more professionaly, long before the dafran drama
like, euro has a group of idiots who stalk his account
and downvote every comment he makes
regardless of the sub
and then they attack him on that other sub
which is lol af
wtf
people take reddit that seriously 
Anti Euro discord 
Yup
but yeah, overall he should act more professionally, I agree with you there
Someone invite me ๐
tbh I started sympathizing with euro more when I became active on the flamecord
and like
spoke with him a bunch
and saw him explain his reasoing a bit more etc. I also didn't like him before, actually
but that was long before the dafran drama
he just comes off as arrogant and condescending to me
and those are not qualities that make for a good moderator
Sure
yes, because you learn that they're human beings and stop viewing them as perfect robots
but if he says he's gonna change then i guess everyone deserves a 2nd chance
I'm a perfect robot
Beep Boop
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Maggots
I have not checked the thread yet, but I expect Euro's entourage to show up quickly

But seriously, the last round of mod apps were meh
I_Fap_To_Mercy should become a mod
tbh
even though he's only active on r/ow iirc
or OWTalvi

That's...an idea
http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1sq2lha
this is actually a pretty decent endorsement on the future of the OWL, if people are leaving blizzard to join OWL orgs
btw, mendo is doing a stream where he's giving extremely detailed explanations on his thought process
would recommend
Could get someone from the scene to mod
But obviously if they were up for it, they would apply
i love entire eurozone tbh
as usual, people target someone like they do with ppl like esca
i did the mod in a discord server
@strange kindle has fans
and it's not an easy task
Euro 
Indeed. It is hard sometimes to not take things personally
Vace is mod somewhere 
Who summoned me
i was a pretty nazi mob tbh

It was me 
I have appeared
Hi boss

๐
Screencapped for anti euro discord
I'm not boss of anything
ey b0ss
I bet the anti euro discord is called Resistance
but you already screencapped him from flames discord @clever portal

No I saw someone didn't like how I looked or behaved.
As I said in the announcement post, I have bene reined in.
I will not be acting up similarly again.
At least not on the subreddit.
R E F O R M E D

Wonder if I could get banned from /r/overwatch....
lul
do it @limber pine
:/
Btw guys, I'd just like to oint out.
that you are missing a p?
not even subbed to /r/ow 

you can't get banned if you are not subbed 
๐ช๐บ
Brb screenshotting that

No but like I said I get that I was found abrasive. Like I said in mystatement, I want to turn a new page.
Become a mod that people love to look to again
0 points (44% upvoted) 
The_Entire_Eurozone Clippy lives onS -1 points 8 minutes ago
"I don't like what you say on Reddit" starter pack
How do we know you're not Euro's alt? 

Btw, what do you guys think of our sidebar?
Pretty cool, right....?
We link related communiiteis
Directly
Huh
rekt
i mean as long as you don't ban people because of their political opinions and being "disruptive" then you are good ๐ lol
is the main ow subreddit still cucks about putting links to other good ow reddits directly on sidebar?
Hmm
I wouldn't call them cucks
But yes, they still don't link our sub directly
Or any other sub.

It's a philisophical difference, not a "cuck" thing
o shit
surely with OWL coming up and esports taking off for OW, it would be healthy for compOW to be linked directly ๐ค
oh yeah, and Half Life 3 will release this month 
I understand them, I don't agree with them.
We actually have something in the works
But Reddit redesign is in the way
So for now we wait
another highlight free week?
reddit redesigns breaks old css or?
Specific to related subs
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@versed sinew the salt from that week was hilarious to watch
it really was
it was a nice week
the dedicated highlight threads were like 15% upvoted
a calm week
I saw someone claiming that r/overwatch used to be for the CS GO overwatch
New Redesign will not break CSS, it will basically no longer support it
ouch
Ooh is this part of those tests Reddit is doing?
Yeah
Where they're offering subs a chance to test out the new tools for sub design?
Reddit default design 
I'm looking forward to that
uhhh, wtf reddit?
i get what they are trying to accomplish but such a waste of a decently working system
messing around with reddit css is fun
They're leaving CSS in some form, as they've noted
You're still going to be able to use it, as an alternative at least to the new system
thats good at least
BEARHANDS was in charge with what?
wasn't he ambassador to The O.W.?
Idk besides pro feedback stuff
He won't be the only guy theyre gonna want people with at least some knowledge of pros/the scene
They defintely won't be building these teams themselves they don't know anything
idm that
i didnt know there were so many highlights it was a problem
A ton of highlights from ranked games/streams were posted
does anybody have an invite into the O.W. server ?
no, go to https://twitter.com/cowleague and join that discord
pm Slasher and ask nicely
thank you
Bren, Harsha, and Sideshow discuss topics ranging from recent Overwatch League news to happenings in the Overwatch World Cup in the pilot episode of Through ...
nicely?
tell him he's a fucking pineapple
and that serious team doesn't stream scrims 
Feels bad when a game in beta is more balanced than OW
are you talking about what game exactly?
@clever portal would appreciate :)
keep beliving LB is a nice game
played it
Paladins is way fucking better than that trash tbh
that game will die pretty much soon trust me
too much jumping and vertical fighting for my taste
Seagull 100% confirmed he is coming back for owL
we know that
LB is in openbeta now
Okay vace
Sorry
Okay
I really wanted it him in NRG
But it's almost 100% not gonna happen
claiming it's balanced just from the open beta its pretty much...
people have to figure out who's op and who's not
Yeah ik
I am just salty
Overwatch heroes are so OP and thats why i like ow
And thats a reason why it's hard to balance
every game are hard to balance
Imo games like OW are harder
And because blizz got some stupid pride
They are so late to hogs party
They only nerfed hog after the backlash and the salt was almost over
Maybe they are just too slow
bearhands was the problem maybe? 
Do you guys think it would be good to lower TTK?
He wasn't hte problem
He took feedback off of pro talk
He was a big intermediary
Very active in talking to others
TTK in OW is already at an optimal point
any less and you'd risk playing with Tracer's health
while any more will be bullet sponge
Yeah i guess
Ow ttk is so perfect
But i thought lowering it would make the game more punishing
if a Primal Rage Winston can get instagib in one second
that's 1000 health insta-gibbed
then you don't really need to rebalance the TTK
Oh god I remember when raged winston got 1 shotted with hogs ult at blank range
I think it was at a tournament too
I do find it funny that people complained about the game having too much healing
and now everyone is struggling to stay alive

Well they did nerf Anas healing which was their main complaint usually
Nade heal that is
Oh boy cant wait for DF to be nerfed
I really think they will nerf his CD on the fist
the signing period for Overwatch League starts in three days.
you win or you die.
Don't die kids
REALLY?
IT'S HAPPENING?
Why is no one hyped about this
Seagull seems so sure about OWL success
I am not honestly because of comp state now
I am trying to have fun but it's so hard
If ppl stopped playing ow the esport scene will kinda slowly not be popular
Like if csgo mm. Is good

Whats facelt?
pay-to-throw
Btw would it be bad to make everything known in the sr gains
Like 1 win gets u 20sr
Each consecutive win increases sr gained by 10
Why is this not viable?
I still cant understand why MMR exists

Even games where they just show a placeholders rank like silver 2
Will have mmr
Overwatch just likes showing you a value
@strange kindle did Bearhands ever comment on the pro feedback?
He did all the time
They all did
Not for every single feedback, but he did respond to a few himself
And confrimed every feedback was read
And passed on
the channel is new though, isn't it? Never saw it before
Feedback channel?
It's pros only
Used to be pro talk people only, but they further made it exclusive
I know it is pros only. But it is only surfacing very recently on the starboard
which is why I wonder if it is a new thing
Nope, been there for pretty darn long.
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seems to be only active for recently
i do remember there's an actual balancing discord tied to The O.W but that probably left forgotten
Because dive is not fun to play, dva eat ultimate with one button, no fun, uninstall BabyRage
I do found it funny that this meta's complaints is arguably louder than desperate compare to tank meta.
"Winston never got a fair shake at all REEEEEEE"
4 months later
"OMG nerf dive so OP REEEEEEEEE"

They need to change metas every 2-3 months
Mercy too op REEEE


















