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#esports-discussion
tight vault
pine star
*We know we fucked up bad this time but we can't just revert the changes because then it would look like we don't know what we're doing. Instead, we will just pretend that we didn't make a mistake; that we are still just iterating over the balance.*```
wintry matrix
balmy wolf
kek
supple nymph
speaking of overwatch
theres an overview starting https://www.twitch.tv/chanmanv
The OverView #69 w/ Fishstix, ZP, ChanManV, & guest Jamerson
spring lintel
Thats pretty lit
He wont be very popular in tournaments but he will be used a lot in normal play and comp
Unless he is stupid OP
Which is probably not gonna happen
toxic yacht
eh, hog changes were a pure deisgn decision, they aren't reverting that
it's the exact same thing like with how they're planning on changing how rez works
jeph has already stated that they think that mercy is balanced, just extremely unfun
but nerf hog because unfun = hehe xd blozz shit plat balance omg fuck this they can't do anything
nerf mercy because unfun = fine tho
solid spear
we dont even know the Mercy changes
if they do a Roadhog to Mercy Ill say the same shit
supple nymph
mercy retired
toxic yacht
they 100% knew that hog was gonna be me after the changes, they just wanted to gather data and fuck around a bit to see how to buff him
people like to act like blizzard are completely oblivious idiots, but they really aren't
used to do the same thing until I like
used common sense
light hearth
@toxic yacht 50/50
toxic yacht
ah
light hearth
clever portal
Bill 
toxic yacht
50/50 is also makes sense, but thanks for like, actually giving info so that we can stop speculating 
light hearth
haha
clever portal
Have you been watching world cup?
light hearth
Sopti I have been yeah. I'll be at the LA stop when it happens as well.
vestal mortar
toxic yacht
but yeah, the funny thing is, most people who claim that OW should be balanced from the top down (aka pro scene to potato level) somehow also want mercy nerfed although by that logic she actually deserves buffs
just feels very, very hyprocritical
supple nymph
she just needs a skill curve
wintry matrix
that's people who are very opinionated, but know shit about game design
not that i know anything about it
tight vault
zarya dab emote
supple nymph
not a flat bronze skill line
solid spear
I can hate a hero and not think they need to be nerfed
balmy wolf
light hearth
I think the hardest problems to solve are ones that only have tradeoffs and probably not a correct answer
balmy wolf
i want hanzo ult buff back
light hearth
I'm a programmer and not a designer so I don't spend as much time thinking on it as Geoff and Jeff but it's tricky for sure.
balmy wolf
toxic yacht
hek off reign
toxic yacht
ban reign
solid spear
Reigns getting blocked tbh
supple nymph
reign reported
vestal mortar
wth Soe is the best ๐ญ
rapid oxide
what he did?
light hearth
Soe is super smart.
toxic yacht
that twitch message is from him 
rapid oxide
she's super smart 
clever portal
Mods ban this heretic
vestal mortar
Soe is an inspiration to me, I hope I get to meet her in Poland
clever portal
Flame said that Soe doesn't necessarily have the best game sense yet, but has an amazing player/team knowledge
vestal mortar
rapid oxide
...
balmy wolf
dont tell me that i'm not wrong, lulz
supple nymph
jebaited
balmy wolf
none of you like Soe because of her amazing opinion.
light hearth
I do.
rapid oxide
rekt
wintry matrix
real talk, i legit did
balmy wolf
not you, @light hearth l
rapid oxide
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wintry matrix
at least balancing hosting and analysis
clever portal
Bill's first impression of #esports-discussion 
balmy wolf
i'm mostly talking about he running joke with the Soe-brigade here
rapid oxide
joke aside, she's nice. surely maybe not the most talented out there
but honestly she's better than some other womens doing her same work
wintry matrix
i'd prefer Left guy, but i think shes great
light hearth
Sopti I hung out here a bit during the various WC days, it's true I'm here more for the game than opinions on the analysts. Broadcast is really important though so if people have good feedback for any of the talent they should make sure to post it places where it can get visibility.
toxic yacht
I'd prefer both
warm totem
guys... who is or what is "soe"
rapid oxide
what's your job at 
btw @light hearth ?
light hearth
I'm a lead programmer on the Overwatch team
supple nymph
@warm totem http://imgur.com/7aRCBYH
rapid oxide
toxic yacht
speaking of broadcast feedback, I found the sidney speccing highly interesting
they like, only spectated the attackers
clever portal
How's fixing the DVa bugs going 
toxic yacht
I'd have preferred swapping a bit since we couldn't see taimou get a deadey in 10 seconds
rapid oxide
@balmy wolf did you ever watched hots girl host?
wintry matrix
i wasn't very fond of attackers-only, maybe on 2CP, but otherwise
rapid oxide
you will start prase soe like we do rn
toxic yacht
but it was a really interesting approach that apparently made it easier to watch for people who have problems with t
clever portal
One thing to keep in mind is that Soe hasn't casted too much
I'm sure she'll get better with time
rapid oxide
Soe work is not host
clever portal
Anyone remember Jamerson online?
rapid oxide
and she's doing a fine job honestly
light hearth
I think on control point it's tempting to go to either side but it's hard to follow if you're jumping between 12 potential POVs at any given time
wintry matrix
she's a caster?
light hearth
Team color and other tech can help that a bit, but I think experimenting with observer POV selection (like attacker only) is a good idea to try
rapid oxide
@wintry matrix she works for blizzard esport in france
clever portal
Is in game spectating an option you guys are considering?
It works really well in CS
wintry matrix
but in what exaclty? i knew she worked there, but i thought it was a host or something
rapid oxide
versed sinew
yeah ing spectating on cs is very nice
would it be possible to have like a "live games" tab on the menu?
rapid oxide
i really belive this stuff will come before OWL will kick
otherwise will be a fail tbh
this and lots more
prob bill can't tell us much but i really hope you guys are doing something about that
warm totem
well not a fail
rapid oxide
don't ignore esport side of the game
warm totem
but will help lots of a newcomers
vestal mortar
I am just excited for everything C:
rapid oxide
@warm totem "this and lots more" *features "otherwise will be a fail tbh"
wrong sentence order mb sorry
wintry matrix
i imagine also the OW offices must be in fire because of the amount of stuff that it is/needs to be done
balmy wolf
@rapid oxide no i don't watch T3 moba
wintry matrix
i do wonder also what are the parameters of success for OWL? like, immediate or over time
how long, etc.
rapid oxide
why then you watch t3 esport (csgo)? 
toxic yacht
pine star
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solid spear
wintry matrix
don't mix me with that scum
supple nymph
wintry matrix
s/
rapid oxide
thinking that csgo is above lol and dota is more meme than mine
solid spear
I dont think anyone mentioned lol or dota besides you
rapid oxide
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balmy wolf
The International 7 is coming up, lulz
probably will get a lot of views since it also has a really big Chinese scene
how many of them are going to be viewbots tho 
rapid oxide
views isn't the only metric to judge an esport
supple nymph
upvotes?
clever portal
Quality of subreddit 
warm totem
honestly cant figure out really other relevant ways
rapid oxide
reddit opinions 
clever portal
They're what got hog nerfed 
rapid oxide
same as high price=high quality. that's not true
clever portal
And dafran banned
wintry matrix
how much views LOL and Dota peak? i only saw CSGO peaking at 600k but LOL and Dota only at 100k
so reddit is 50/50 good/bad right?
balmy wolf
it peaked last week with Krakow Major. Nearly 1 millions views
meanwhile LOL usually has solid 1 millions views per week
DOTA2 usually around 500K but The International going to peak
rapid oxide
you mean 50% of people view just to get the skin and betting?
balmy wolf
they still watched the game.
warm totem
Like i "watched" most of cs majors
balmy wolf
later when OW implement golden loot box when viewing, are you going to use the same line of reasonings then?
rapid oxide
wtf are you talking about lmao
balmy wolf
this directly lead back to the whole "attracting viewers due to lootbox"
which is basically the same deal as the CSGO drop
wintry matrix
it kinda sucks that CSGO has a "healthy" scene, but with this method
rapid oxide
๐คฆ
warm totem
well its only like 4 times a year
warm totem
yeah i wouldnt mind if watching ow would get me some loot
balmy wolf
mind you, 100K CSGO tournaments are usually get decent viewership as well too. And 100K CSGO LAN doesn't have the lootbox.
at least 100K
so the scene is actually healthy even despite the lootbox thing
and even then it is only twice per year
rapid oxide
weird when there's no loot views are pretty much low the average
and when there's drop
it peak
warm totem
like esl proleague is 250k(?) and i think it got easily over 100k ppl watching
supple nymph
rip ๐จ๐ฆ
rapid oxide
where the other 600k are? 
clever portal
Esl one was minor
balmy wolf
clever portal
250k
balmy wolf
"Over the course of Season 5, ESL Pro League content garnered just under 65 million video views, a 17.5% increase from Season 4. With English language broadcast rights exclusive to YouTube, the ESL Counter-Strike YouTube channel following grew by 163% and broadcasts in 14 additional languages were streamed directly to Facebook and Twitch."
clever portal
Anyway it's 350k more than overwatch
rapid oxide
we are comparing soccer with swim interest irl btw
warm totem
oh didnt even follow this season lol
warm totem
true
solid spear
maybe well see
balmy wolf
i'm all for OW getting big, but not in the expense of shitting on other esport just because.
rapid oxide
i shit on csgo because it's a shit game tbh
spring lintel
WHO THE FUCK TALKED SHIT ABOUT SOE????
solid spear
ok lul
balmy wolf
http://www.lolesports.com/en_US/articles/2017-mid-season-invitational-numbers <= peaked at 4.3 millions
rapid oxide
dota > csgo
spring lintel
Whoever hates soe and doesnt think she is the best thing ever should killhimself
balmy wolf
so you know, OW is on its way but let's not pretend that it will get T1 level of viewership in 6 months
clever portal
ReignWolf
balmy wolf
<= Soe shit talker.
spring lintel
Dude
balmy wolf
loud and proud
rapid oxide
rapid oxide
i make enemies without doing nothing
rapid oxide
gusty notch
better than flame how dare u
spring lintel
Other than flames maybe
balmy wolf
talk about stabbing yourself in the head
rapid oxide
flame is shit tbh
gusty notch
rapid oxide
ego kid with average knowledge
rapid oxide
?
solid spear
Rachel
rapid oxide
mercy lol
clever portal
Rachel
spring lintel
What happened to her
rapid oxide
she's mercy but more obnoxious
clever portal
She's there for NA stage
balmy wolf
hosting non OW events
clever portal
They don't have everyone for every stage
spring lintel
Soe was active and shit but mercy was on the side smiling like "what am I doing in here"
rapid oxide
wait for mercedes trigger
supple nymph
if soe didn't cosplay do you think she would be as popular 
balmy wolf
no.
rapid oxide
Rachel is more an announcer
rapid oxide
she looks far from tracer tbh
clever portal
rapid oxide
she doesnt have a good ass
spring lintel
Fuck u
rapid oxide
supple nymph
spring lintel
U dont have a taste
balmy wolf
๐ฟ
rapid oxide
read my nick
spring lintel
She has a great ass
solid spear
._.
spring lintel
I am just saying
rapid oxide
back to esport discussion 
spring lintel
Yeah definitely
rapid oxide
๐
spring lintel
๐ฉ๐
supple nymph
they make you wait so long a lot of the interest disappears
spring lintel
Yeah i dont watch it because of that mainly
true tide
I'm excited. I want to see Runaway 2.0
spring lintel
I hate waiting months for games
true tide
Waiting for the WC to be over no?
solid spear
Im excited, arguably the best 2 teams in the world and this is the only real tournament match from now until Contenders
spring lintel
Maybe ill tune in for the finals
clever portal
Apex finals was supposed to be during Shanghai group stage
true tide
Would be dumb to do it when the WC is on..
spring lintel
The finals is between?
clever portal
So they made this weekend free for Apex
wintry matrix
i'm not excited because i don't really root for LH or KDP, tho i know it will be a fire match
spring lintel
LH and KDP
balmy wolf
rooting for 
solid spear
same
spring lintel
I root for the best genji main
rapid oxide
Rascal or Esca
clever portal
Whoru is on the bench
rapid oxide
Dunno for who to root for
true tide
Rooting for my KDP bbies, because I think they deserve it.
But, let's be real, LH probably going to win.
rapid oxide
sick englando
balmy wolf
mind you
has the advantage in term of their whole team not selected for WC
while half of 
has to do shits
rapid oxide
I still belive LH will win tbh
balmy wolf
also has to rework their strats vs KDP
because everyone and their moms saw their Sombra stuffs
while cruised through the playoff into the finals with ease
so less gametape on them as well
spring lintel
FUCK i wanted to see whoru
No genji mains
Sad
Pathetic honestly
No genji mains in 2017
balmy wolf
Genji is shit this meta, tbh.
some teams can make him works
but it is really easy to burst him down
supple nymph
oh shit numlocked exposed
supple nymph
balmy wolf
and yes, I'm sane.
even Alwaysoov and Yongbongtang has talked about how hard it is to play Genji in this meta
and I see it in my team's scrim.
Oh Genji dash in? D.va boop him, Winston jump him, all when discord orb on his head.
even AF Blue with Arhan they didn't even run Genji that much anymore. Prefer to put Arhan on Tracer more.
spring lintel
๐ง
Still
U can never have enough genji in ur life
Anyways guys 1 top 10 zarya with 5 diamonds vs 6 masters
Who would win?
spring lintel
Probably actual masters
gusty notch
i'd favor the masters
gusty notch
rip
rapid oxide
Arhan LUL
spring lintel
I dont get the arhan meme
rapid oxide
After WC he got. Lots of notoriety
On Season 2 he extremely underperformed on Genji
Average 1 kill per blade i belive
wintry matrix
isn't the consensus that blade is pretty hard to get multi-kills?
like, you get shutdown instantly or something
like it has value as zoning too
balmy wolf
i mean if you goes by how Cwoosh has been underperformed in the Sydney qualifier, yeah
clever portal
Either way, he was much better this season
Other than when he played against KDP
Blades were really good
He was basically farming teams
wintry matrix
i remember one of the KR guys saying something about it
spring lintel
It is tho
You get focused instantly
Thats why u need the best moment
Not any moment
rapid oxide
Zoning = bad/useless ultimate
clever portal
I think they said Arhan is known for being able to 1v1 Winstons, and that he builds ult really fast
spring lintel
Lol genjis ult isnt for zoning
rapid oxide
dead eye intensified
wintry matrix
not as a bad, but like, i remember someone saying that even if blade doesn't get kills, it still has value
something like pressure i think
spring lintel
Yeah
clever portal
If it draws some ults, it's good
spring lintel
They try to run away form u
wintry matrix
yeah, i think that was one of hte reasons
spring lintel
Or they can just destroy in 1 second
balmy wolf
as lulz as zoning ult is, it actually has some value under the right circumtances. Don't expect Twitch chat to get it tho
clever portal
Blade charges faster than support ults
Regarding arhan, he actually used a ult when no one was alive once
spring lintel
Yeah u can get it easily in one fight
clever portal
As in enemy was wiped
spring lintel
Well not easily
clever portal
So a lot of meme ults, that led to the meme
rapid oxide
Dont talk unless you are high elo (1500SR) 
spring lintel
I am indeed very high st
clever portal
clever portal
Don't talk in chat unless you're high elo (silver in 2 or more games)
spring lintel
And I am proud to say I have 1v1ed some silver winstons
I just got the twitch chat meme
rapid oxide
Don't talk unless you are experienced (complete tutorial)
rapid oxide
Stuck on the killing bots phase
spring lintel
They should have made it a story arc ๐ญ๐ญ
wintry matrix
you'd be surprised with the amount of people that doesn't
rapid oxide
My 5 yo 2nd grade cousin know how to fucking move in a videogame
wintry matrix
(source: my gf that barely plays games)
like, just the concept of walking and aiming at the same time
thick cosmos
Don't talk in chat unless you have good positioning (succesfully followed tracer in tutorial)
wintry matrix
not saying that tutorial is great, but i think it's better to include super basic shit
rapid oxide
Don't talk in chat
Is nuff
Wish i could mute everything except game notifications
Ult status and hero switch
Don't wanna see insults, complain, hello spam
spring lintel
I love it
I had this one healer go insane on me
Was funny
Cause i needed healing
spring lintel
It says critical
spring lintel
I usually look at their hp and positioning
supple nymph
that pubg event is LAN
spring lintel
When some one uses the i need healing voice line
Next to their name in the chat
It says critical if their hp is low
Like less than 25% or something
solid spear
yeah it says "low" "critical" or nothing depending on what percentage of their health they have left
solid spear
wintry matrix
inb4 Liquid
toxic yacht
i fack all
balmy wolf
fak*
toxic yacht
if rapha and azk are ded combined with the current climate, I could see liquid just saying fuck it
solid spear
Theoretically speaking if Liquid were to drop their roster before Contenders would LGE or Envision get their spot
balmy wolf
I'd say liquid will at least play in contenders
wintry matrix
or ex-Liquid?
balmy wolf
nah just liquid
toxic yacht
I hope that they play contenders
I'd have preferred it if rapha had stayed until contenders S1 too tbh
or did he say that he'll still play that?
I forgot
balmy wolf
He has already retired
clever portal
Yeah, they need to find a replacement
balmy wolf
Plz not Liquid
wintry matrix
btw, aside from liquid who are the suspects?
balmy wolf
mind you, Cloud9 is infinitely more suspected due to the lack of Contenders spot
and rumors that OW is in hiatus
clever portal
There are rumors now about their CS team as well
balmy wolf
uh, their CSGO team actually is in a break
since they actually has somewhat of a successful summer (for NA CSGO standard)
multiple top teams agreed to a break on August tho
just because of a jampacked summer
clever portal
There's no events till late August as well
balmy wolf
the next event is going to be Dreamhack Master Malmo though. That's going to be lit.
versed sinew
i remember all top tier teams on csgo are taking a break during august
shroud tweeted it i think
balmy wolf
yeah
clever portal
Thinking of it, contenders is long
So it starts on the 14th?
6 weeks = end of september
Depending on scheduling, you could fit in online tournaments
If it's weekend matchdays, I doubt it though
balmy wolf
honestly, if people were complaining about lack of pro play, now they are going to get completely choked with 16 teams fighting in a week
clever portal
So any non contenders team will be free till October 
3 months of no tournaments for them 
balmy wolf
I just want by boyz 
to be safe
somebody said on stream that Shadder2K said that is kill
but idk. could have drop their roster in any other moments where they got shit result
not when they are in a upswing
wintry matrix
Movi was doing well, got in contenders, and still dropped, so
balmy wolf
they didn't has the long history of mediocre like
OW Open, OCS, NGE Winter Premiere. There are multiple times where could have said "fuck it" and drop their roster
of course that isn't saying much but the NA situation is also not like EU too
wintry matrix
maybe things would change with shadder and the bootcamp and didn't
balmy wolf
they finished 2nd in the playoff too
not like Movistar who flunked out of the first round of playoff
so idk, tbh. But history told me that won't drop their roster that easily
solid spear
xqc just said they wont go to poland apparently
clever wagon
What why
clever portal
No clips of this yet
toxic yacht
wat
supple nymph
now he's backpedalling lol
balmy wolf
according to Mr.ZP Team Canada is in bad state too so
supple nymph
someone else on the thing confirmed they heard the same
i forget if it was fish or who
rip canada mismanagement
huk too busy with toronto esports
getting owl slot
to do WC stuff
is in rebuilt mode
clever portal
I think he saw the clip
And got tilted and said he's not going
Turn on xqc stream right now
Tilt mode activated 
balmy wolf
R E F O R M E D
supple nymph
WE WOULD FUCK THEM SO HARD
THE CLIPS WOULD END UP ON PORNHUB
IN THE HARDCORE SECTION TOO!
clever portal
balmy wolf
Mangachu xd
spring lintel
Canada's roster is so lit
spring lintel
balmy wolf
and zaprey is back on copenhagen flames lol
so if Team Canada flunked out of the Katowice Qualifier
can we put to rest the myth that Surefour is a world class DPS?
toxic yacht
surefour jsut said that they're scrimming
spring lintel
I dunno man
spring lintel
Surefour doesnt show up a lot
balmy wolf
who to trust
toxic yacht
he's streaming
wintry matrix
i'm starting to think reign has a fetish for putting down people on a slump
balmy wolf
spring lintel
Xqc seems sarcastic
balmy wolf
thats called sadism startha
balmy wolf
@wintry matrix some extra long slump that Surefour has there tbh
ever since APEX S2, what had been able to do with B1shop at helms?
a respectable finish at Takeover 2 sure, but outside of that.....
wintry matrix
i think that says more about the team than s4
balmy wolf
through out all of its incarnation the commonality is always Surefour tho
and they never get past the NA mid tier
wintry matrix
like i said, it speaks more abou the team than him
clever portal
They would become god tier
wintry matrix
it's not like a case where cloud9 is playing out of their minds and s4 underperforms
balmy wolf
when's the last time he truly has a world breaking performance though?
wintry matrix
when i saw c9 he's usually pretty good
balmy wolf
he never underperforms but he never really carry his team either
and @clever portal who would Surefour replace in nV?
prisma parrot
CANADA IS THE BEST
clever portal
The rumors were Taimou wasn't playing S1
But now he said he will be
S4 might not be Taimou level on Taimou's heroes, but he's pretty close
And guess what, he can play Pharah/Genji/Tracer at a high level as well
toxic yacht
he also plays 76 better
clever portal
+Zarya/DVa
clever portal
Maybe Taimou Sombra?
toxic yacht
and reaper probably
balmy wolf
would he fit in to 
though?
in paper he would be an instant upgrade over Taimou sure but his hero pool has never really been a strong point in practice even if it is on paper
solid spear
Taimou said hes playing in S1 and Kyky said their conversations were just that
I wouldn't even speculate on that really seems they were meming or at most spitballing
balmy wolf
wintry matrix
i find it curious anyone believed it was true, to me it was clearly a meme
with Taimou drunk and what not
balmy wolf
it probably was true up until that point
until Taimou discovered his happy side again in Sydney
now he has like a week break before going back to NA
supple nymph
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6pkmy7/reporting_penalty_system_improvements/
balmy wolf
"We believe that our in-game reporting and player penalty system is one of our most important features, and itโs something we want to invest in significantly over the next year. To this end, effective immediately, we will be issuing increased penalties to players in response to verified reports of bad behavior. In Overwatch, that means anything from abusive chat, harassment, in-game spam, match inactivity (being intentionally AFK), and griefing. If you see someone engaging in any of these types of behaviors, report them. Players in violation will be silenced, suspended, or even banned from the game as a result. "
so nothing exactly changed from the original system out side of "we will do more"
supple nymph
wonder if that means retroactively
solid spear
I'm still throwing
supple nymph
or they are just gonna clear it and start again
blazing parrot
im going to wait about 2 weeks before deciding anything
probably going to be disappointed
i wish they included one tricking as a form of griefing
limber pine
gotta start somewhere
solid spear
Me being a Torb one trick doesn't mean Im throwing
balmy wolf
this surely won't get exploited /s
supple nymph
sturdy granite
Roadhog suddenly looking like Bastion 2.0 Honestly, When they were talking about defensive abilities, I thought they would have given him a personal shield of some sort.
balmy wolf
the Roadhog buff won't do shit
since you know, now he and Bastion is belonged in the trash bin
both of them's niche are ability to burst people down quickly
but now they are more or less glorified DPS
with no mobility and a big hitbox
sturdy granite
Yep. he lost eerything that made him stand out
clever wagon
I mean let's be honest
Other than drama and ongoing eSport events
What would Reddit and e-d be without the circlejerking to talk about
clever portal
AMAG LUL
Tfw when a discord server probably acts faster/has more serious bans than Blizzard 
thick cosmos
Anyone know what is gonna happen with movistar riders contenders spot yet?
rapid oxide
To change the world, we need to stop doing wars, help each other, equal share of money
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clever portal
R/overwatch 
I like how the few one trick mains in top 500 are proof that character is viable?
wary falcon
South Korean national team to completely shut out Kongdoo Uncia (arguably a top-tier Korean team) 4-0 in a scrimmage yesterday.
Top tier KDU
balmy wolf
lol
clever portal
Runway getting swept
thick cosmos
Rip runaway
clever portal
I just saw '3-0' and I joined
clever portal
Good thing is new report system actually bans, if even for one day
So these people can go on their adventures of off-meta characters
And get their 1 day suspensions and get set straight
toxic yacht
I'll wait for 2 weeks until people figure out how it actually works, lul
until then, I'll still stay the fuck away from the cesspool that is ranked atm
clever portal
They're still trying out new players
So hopefully they get back in form by next season
Runner made it sound like sponsors wanted a playoffs finish last season
They got unlucky
To start the season with Kaiser's departure, and then 3-0'd by Runaway
A tank they couldn't even play
toxic yacht
well, maybe they'd have gotten there if sponsers had taken them after their fucking grand final finish a season ago...
clever portal
And now the tank player leaves for AFB
Atleast they might have gotten some money off that
balmy wolf
@rapid oxide considering Chro is someone who never join team chat, and always talks shit about people on his stream, never his faults etc etc
i'm surprise people takes him seriously
then again I guess everyone is dumb and only i'm alright
rapid oxide
Whole tread is dumb tbh
balmy wolf
at least r/compow is sane for once for shitting on Chro https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6pgv67/chro_talks_about_meta_hate_one_tricks_necessity/
solid spear
@balmy wolf Ta1yo said the team probably isn't avaiable
tight vault
i'm gonna take you out with a long range beam- jeff kappalan ๐
red anvil
i started watching chros video without really knowing who he was, the guy appear to genuinlly think it's up to compettive matchmaking to create metas
i'm really curious how is gone create any meta with OTPing
gusty notch
Tried watching that
Seemed p dumb
Tried to say "otps are specialists" which is good because you would call a car specialist to fix your car or something
tight vault
csgo or overwatch ๐
spring lintel
Everything is slow as fuck
red anvil
But Blizzz deserves a prize for being ignorant as fuck when it comes to esports
spring lintel
They take so much time in doing simple stuff
Like a week should be enough to fix hog
Just brainstorm ideas
Try them
Ptr
gusty notch
They have a fucked approach to balancing
clever wagon
@Vostera he really made that comparison?
spring lintel
I wonder if the game will be back
tight vault
make roadhogs weapon a BASTION TURRENT
gusty notch
He said that we have specialists that do jobs jobs in jobs in real world
So it's good for overwatch
(Sry, mobile discord sux)
clever wagon
Those jobs arent always like a team game that requires a fuck ton of sync and other micro stuff between each team member on the fly...
Grats for thonk
Fucking genius
rapid oxide
It's stupid to call blizz shit at balancing. People praised winston bubble cd while deployed, dva dm fix
Balance is "shit" now because meta evolved
And people know what to exploit
You could say sombra buff were shit or not enough to make her viable
But here we. Come now
solid spear
I always thought buffing Winston was stupid, Sombra buffs dont have to do with the probllem most people have with Sombra
people whine a lot yeah
rapid oxide
That are just examples
solid spear
but we dont have to sip the blue koolaid and act like Blizz hasnt made mistakes
red anvil
i wont lie, i thought the winston bouble update was great, and still do
rapid oxide
I repeat, no one an truly achieve the best balance
Not you, not me, not blizz not even pros
Can
solid spear
the games never gonna be perfectly balanced and itll only get harder when they add new heros
solid spear
I cant speak for Dota personally. havent watched it in a while but I know that people always say a large percentage on champs actually get at least a little play at pro level
rapid oxide
More heroes more things to tune down/up/fix
But even with low numbers of hero too
TF2, for example, is scout, demo, soldier, medic
Rest of the class are niche or barely used
Every game suffer of meta
from dota, to lol, to csgo
gusty notch
Tf2 has trash balancing tho doesn't it
gusty notch
balmy wolf
mind you @rapid oxide
DOTA2's pick rate is very good
compare to LoL or CSGO
perfect balance is impossible but if there's any game that is close to it it is DOTA2
gusty notch
How do they keep it so balanced
balmy wolf
by having a guy that is a. always put out balance patch every fucking week or so and b. he has been doing this shit since DOTA1
instead of a team from a company that is notorious for shit balancing
like Thoorin pointed out, they ruined SC2 scene by shit balancing and things just cascaded from there
rapid oxide
quake 3 was balanced
but honestly
i dont know if people say its balanced because they are compentent
or they just dicksuck their old gaming era
nostalgia
or stuff like that
its like my grandpa telling "back in my day stuff were better"
balmy wolf
not sure if /s but ok
rapid oxide
im not sarcastic
gusty notch
Notorious for shit balancing from just ow or other games
balmy wolf
@gusty notch from their own games.
gusty notch
Oh you meant the company in general
balmy wolf
also http://www.gosugamers.net/dota2/features/44305-the-kiev-major-analysis-by-the-numbers <= in DOTA2's 112 roster, during one of their major 99 of them were in action, and only 14 never got picked
of course, some get more picks than others
but if we were translate that to OW
it'd means that at least 20 out of 24 of the heroes got picked
toxic yacht
supple nymph
jebaited
balmy wolf
gusty notch
Yeah saw dat
red anvil
People are unfortuantly gone keep crying false bans when trolls like this pops up https://www.reddit.com/r/Overwatch/comments/6pmkbe/blizzards_new_ban_system_is_broken_support_has/
example of a genunilly garbage guy
balmy wolf
who would have thought such a system like this will get exploited
surely Blizzard has seen this coming, right?
eck dee
toxic yacht
the guy is lying
wintry matrix
is there any successful report system?
toxic yacht
he asked to get reported
clever portal
BabyRage
toxic yacht
and now he's acting like he got reported for playin g off-meta
he's a fucking retard and deserved the ban for abusing the report system
we have literally no insights into how it works, but I'd assume that getting a 100 reports within such a short period of time is imposssible naturally
balmy wolf
@wintry matrix there are other systems to which Blizz can use to isolate trolls or what not
toxic yacht
you'd either have to be asking or throwing so hard that every person repots you
but yeah, this system is obv gonna have issues
balmy wolf
but you know, gotta make everyone feels good about their shit days so we won't have prime matchmaking or karma etc etc
I'll just wait for FaceIt
toxic yacht
we should make a system called "Counter Strike"
where you can watch people play
and determine whether the reports were valid
balmy wolf
lulz
wintry matrix
oh yeah, i read about it ocasionally, seems interesting
toxic yacht
lul
he literally "disconnected the call before h got offensive"
I wonder why someone like that would get reported...
balmy wolf
there's no perfect report system because systems like this always get exploited
so you need to use other ways to isolate the trolls and the griefer
karma system is one thing
prime matchmaking and overwatch is another
clever portal
Also this is a person who was going to get offensive about being banned in a video game
balmy wolf
karma is basically like Reddit karma.
upvotes people you likes, downvotes the idiots
of course like reddit karma it can be manipulated
but by using it you can isolate the mm so that negative karma idiots plays with each others
wintry matrix
this seems it wouldn't change much
like, we even had the match rating thing, but mostly people didn't use, and the ones that did upvoted for the win and downvoted for losses
balmy wolf
that's match making though
i'm talking about personal rating
which is different.
but all of the thing above requires an MM overhaul
which good luck with that since isn't going to change their shit MM atm
I'll just wait for FaceIt OW
wintry matrix
i'd assume because these things are tough
on CSGO people just gave up on valve and use 3rd party?
balmy wolf
or they want to keep the game "inclusive" and everyone needs to "feel good"
hence lack of scoreboard for "toxicity"
meanwhile people just get more toxic because surprise, gold medals
toxic yacht
they actually said that they wanted to make a scoreboard
but couldn't find a way to put the info together
wintry matrix
i think you overrate scoreboard, wouldn't change much i think besides the toxic ones will have someone to point at
balmy wolf
nah I also remember that they did said that the lack of scoreboard is because of toxicity as well
personally i don't have an issue outside of a coaching perspective
because stat as coach is infinitely more useful
but I digress
wintry matrix
maybe as a custom game feature would be good
toxic yacht
if they really want to do it because of toxicity they should at least make them available in custom games
lul
solid spear
I wish you could at least track that stuff in custom games but oh well
red anvil
solid spear
As part of their reasoning
clever portal
Even if it's because of toxicity, show it at the end of the game
balmy wolf
as far as CSGO goes third party MM is better because a. less incentive to troll since you put a subscription and if you are ban you are kissing your money good bye and b. anti cheat is more stringent there @wintry matrix
red anvil
He made this topic before he went crying about being banned to blizz
And starting arguing with their help desk
wintry matrix
i thought ESEA was free
balmy wolf
Valve's MM is kind of shit and also cheaters are everywhere because VAC aren't as intrusive as others
hence the third party
nah
wintry matrix
i wonder how many would be willing to pay
thick cosmos
Legend series group A starts in 3 min
balmy wolf
I know I'll fucking pay for FaceIt
and a lot of pros as well
because once the system is in place, it is also a much better barometer to determine who's good or not
versed sinew
people will pay for better anti-cheat and that shit
i wonder if an esea like client will be able to have 144 tick servers
balmy wolf
mind you, ESEA CSGO client has 128 tick
balmy wolf
meanwhile we has to deal with this shit 60 tick server because of reasons
@clever portal if you look at when SK was flooded with cheaters, clearly OW anti cheat isn't hard enough
it is not a widespread problem per se but it is still there
warm totem
Ayy ence match coming up
red anvil
would be nice to try a 144 tick server for OW
warm totem
red anvil
that caster just looks so bored
red anvil
pls no
thick cosmos
One caster in my right ear the other in my left
warm totem
Pro players "oh these guys are pretty good"
ikr
what is this production
Bo3??? wtf
thick cosmos
Just gonna watch it without headphones
red anvil
idk, maybe they got instructions from blizz to not be better then WC
warm totem
lul
thick cosmos
Wait i thought it was bo1
warm totem
my head hurts
warm totem
yeah
thick cosmos
Well i'm only happy that its bo3, on the over.gg announcment it says group stage matches are bo1
tho
supple nymph
@toxic yacht so that guy is a turd but the call is real right
solid spear
I wonder what's gonna happen with reports and qp
Could you in theory be banned if enough people reported you in qp
toxic yacht
Call is probably real, we don't know though
supple nymph
the CS rep basically says oh there's 100 reports there is no way you are being banned falsely
which is really stupid...
toxic yacht
Also, it's some low level support employee, there is a decent chance that she personally couldn't reverse it or that she didn't know
Like, it's a new-ass system, I'd wait a bit before making such declarations
red anvil
i downvoted
balmy wolf
the girl commentator of Legend Series is completely asleep
clever portal
How do you know she's gold?
red anvil
looked up her stream
balmy wolf
this girl..........................
and in other news
people forgot how to play against Reinhardt
rapid oxide
analfist today?
balmy wolf
tmr
rapid oxide
Coming 07/27/2017
solid spear
yeah
he'll be out tomorrow
probably with the existing PTR stuff and highlights,crosshair stuff
charred harbor
solid spear
k
clever wagon
kuronosuke
This sounds about as shitty as a r/ow one liner "joke" thread gets
Don't dump your shit here
clever portal
clever wagon
Hey Slasher, news flash, you're not AZK
clever portal
Slasher is an idiot
clever wagon
Gosh I really want to post that on his twatter
clever portal
Even if they had a private conversation
He's not their manager
Why was he even posting that?
balmy wolf
mind you
until AZK actually saying anything
right now it is just speculation
Slasher and reddit isn't AZK
so until AZK actually said "i'm quitting OW to go back to CSGO"
he is still with OW
wintry matrix
tbh people do that all the time, as in, talking for someone else
clever portal
Yes, you do it when talking about your org/team mate
clever wagon
https://twitter.com/CwooshOW/status/889903864891265026 Cwoosh ready to practice making some more ๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝ๏ฝ space for Sweden
@solid spear
clever wagon
Space making scrim on phat bitrate streams soon ๐๐ป
balmy wolf
same monitor as me
clever wagon
Meanwhile people here seemingly running into another bitcoin madness and the PC store I usually go to in downtown is out of stock for all GTX 1000s
red anvil
i think i'll be happy with 165 hz gsync for quite a while myself D:
clever wagon
Fucking pricks buying up to 30 GTX cards for mining