Even Rogue or NV
#esports-discussion
pine star
Twitter
clever portal
Dive meta is fun to play and fun to watch 
balmy wolf
remember when people was clamoring for dive?
๐ค
and mind you
according Noukky
Blizzard does keep an eyes on the pro scene
why do they keep an impression of a stalker, i don't know
balmy wolf
to quote Pesto, Blizzard's idea of preferential treatment is to give people 30 mins before an actual event
so you know
wintry matrix
30 mins?
balmy wolf
yeah
he gave an anecdote where there's a r/compow discord, and it had a direct line to Blizzard
but Blizzard only used it to notify people 30 mins beforehand if anything was going to happen
mind you, Pesto also said that he has good news but the worst has yet come to pass
so you know
@light hearth yo, mind if we ask some question about OW esport?
pine star
Shit's not even funny
balmy wolf
people just need more competition and tournament to forget the gloom and doom tbh
limber pine
that's not quite the whole story
limber pine
not really
clever portal
I don't think bill works on the esports side of things
limber pine
but okay
balmy wolf
i mean if you know the whole ordeal why not tell it @limber pine ๐
limber pine
I don't understand what ordeal there was
red anvil
Apperently this chinese player is banned from playing currently http://wiki.teamliquid.net/overwatch/Huang_Xin
supple nymph
we want to keep a few people in the community not blacklisted by blizzard right 
red anvil
never heard about it
clever portal
What did he do?
versed sinew
negative speech
balmy wolf
3 set ban, not Dafran'd
red anvil
Reason states negative speech?
clever portal
His name is 'leave' 
balmy wolf
mind you, 
won against 
earlier
red anvil
wut they won?
balmy wolf
because only stream in CN service
red anvil
๐ฆ
balmy wolf
...uh, he is not
wintry matrix
yeah, but seein that tweet, is a mere formality
balmy wolf
I've always said that as good as AZK is he is upgradable
and with the amount of hitscan on the market atm
can totally let him go and grab a better one
wintry matrix
yeah, no reason to keep him
balmy wolf
Ta1yo, AKTM, Logix, Munchkin, Sinatraa, xRetzi, and the list goes fucking on
red anvil
sinatraa is still bound buy contract so i'm guessing he goes to the highest bidder
solid spear
doubt its substantial
only team youd be competing with it maybe Faze
or like CLG I guess
and its not a bid
balmy wolf
would be easier for and Hulk to look for FA in KR tbh
red anvil
NRG?
red anvil
fair enough
i guess that confirms that they did try out carpe since he was extremely vague when it came to him?
pine star
https://twitter.com/franplayshalo/status/889582651354398720 literally half my tweeter feed today
Twitter
clear mesa
pine star
He is (was?) Team Liquid
balmy wolf
I wonder if when they do trash in cs will he come back to ow
solid spear
eh
warm totem
probably wont
solid spear
Brax is a god
warm totem
He is
solid spear
thing is like without Valve unbanning its shaky
cant play in majors
wont get picked up
I wouldnt be surprised if Liquid was already looking at AZKs spot and this is just an excuse to go
warm totem
well i think they will since esl is the biggest org around
supple nymph
seems like a hard sell
"we want to pick up this player but if we do we wont be able to play in any major valve tournaments"
balmy wolf
ESL runs events like IEM, Dreamhack, Pro League, and ESL One
so its not like they can't play in any tournaments
there is also apparently speculation of ECS unbanning iBP
which gives the more opportunities
Leaving ow is the best choice for AZK tbh
He was probably a better cs player than ow player anyway
versed sinew
been hearing they want to make a team swag/dazed/azk already
balmy wolf
Yeah brax confirmed he's going to be on a team with dazed and azk
versed sinew
itd be pretty shocking to see skadoodle leave c9 for the team but i wouldnt rule it out
steel isnt joining cause steel and dazed hate eachother
thick cosmos
Wtf netherlands world cup team is in legend series
light hearth
Hey ReignWolf, you can certainly ask but I may not know the answer. I'm part of the Overwatch dev team, and we do a lot of close work with esports but I'm not part of the day to day operation for them. I'm also a programmer not a designer or rule maker or anything.
balmy wolf
you're the guy who comments on the minecraft ow posts on r/overwatch
balmy wolf
They are pretty impressive
versed sinew
id like to see him make zarya in minecraft
toxic yacht
@light hearth uhhh, sorry for bothering you >.<, but since you already came here I just wanted to ask about this because I'm pretty curious. Back when dva's matrix was bugged and didn't eat every projectile, how exactly did that happen from a dev perspective, if I may ask? Was it because the projectile spawn distance from the empty or whatever it is in taht engine was basically inside the model/outside of matrix's range or something similar?
pine star
.<
solid spear
what Sulli
pine star
I'm just mocking Sojum
toxic yacht
hek off I'm curious okay
balmy wolf
.<
supple nymph
Lead Software Engineer at Blizzard Entertainment; Overwatch Live Operations, Automation and Reliability.
pine star
.<
vestal mortar
.<
supple nymph
so i would guess he doesnt do any engine or gameplay stuff
toxic yacht
he hates me anyway and isn't gonna answer
vestal mortar
same
supple nymph
there's a limited amount of stuff you can whine at him about
cause the servers work
๐คท
warm totem
xd
toxic yacht
not whining, lul
I'm probably the least whiny guy about the current state of the game here after martha stewart, pls
oh, tara is the least whiny
she never complains
balmy wolf
im probably less whiny than everyone on this servver
versed sinew
is this a contest
pine star
@Polo#8182 you barely talk anymore reeeee
wintry matrix
smh y'all, the least whiny is Sopti
pine star
Nice mention you wanker
toxic yacht
sopti ๐
where did he go btw?
I miss him
literally just came here to keep us up to date with the korean scene
balmy wolf
yeah thats because this place is trash now @pine star
toxic yacht
he has a point, lul
pine star
He does
toxic yacht
the attitude of this channel is also very 
like, the amount of times I see "normie" being thrown around is kinda ridiculous
balmy wolf
also i havent been watching because every wc team sucks but denmark
wintry matrix
toxic yacht
seriously, the fact that we spend 10 hours a day watching overpaid teens play video games doesn't somehow make us better
versed sinew
net lagging?
toxic yacht
he capitalizes every letter at the start
pine star
Goddammit
balmy wolf
every first letter*
toxic yacht
and mobile likes to bug around like this
pine star
I capitalize when on pc too
toxic yacht
fucking mobile devs ๐
light hearth
@toxic yacht I believe there have been a few issues. A couple I'm aware of were related to missing projectiles that were too close to D.Va and certain things blocking line of sight checks that shouldn't have.
balmy wolf
That's because you're trash sulli.
pine star
toxic yacht
๐ thanks for the reply
light hearth
Sorry it's boring, there's rarely a cool reason why stuff is bugged. 
pine star
He doesn't hate you Sojum 
toxic yacht
I'm kinda also a wannabe game developer, so I'm just really curious about the inner workings of games
toxic yacht
regardless of how boring it is, thanks
red anvil
๐ for replying
versed sinew
also, are there any changes for reinhardts charge being fixed?
iirc only the hammer stuff is on the ptr
light hearth
Rein charge is fixed for the 1.13 release coming up on Thursday
versed sinew
ooo
red anvil
hog buffs are still in planning phase or?
balmy wolf
red anvil
he was up against a bastion OTP and a torb/sym only player
toxic yacht
Seagull, youre so cute. Youre funny, you have a little bit of a potty mouth, youre thick, but not fat, you seem really laid back and love video games. I honestly do have a crush on you dude
I'm gonna use this pasta on everyone and you won't stop me
supple nymph
andy miller does one at the end 
also producer of eleague apologises for handshake meme
pine star
@toxic yacht stop
toxic yacht
Sulli, youre so cute. Youre funny, you have a little bit of a potty mouth, youre thick, but not fat, you seem really laid back and love video games. I honestly do have a crush on you dude
pine star
Sorry, you're not my type.
pine star
What's that?
toxic yacht
liquipedia
home page
they show a bunch of games there
and apparently it's in order of popularity
versed sinew
esports wikipedia
toxic yacht
liquid and azk so high up, lul
versed sinew
everyone is on the edge of their seats seeing if azk goes back to csgo
pine star
pine star
Inb4 he goes back to CS and sucks
toxic yacht
that's probably gonna happen
ngl
I don't think that he'll be good if he goes back to CS
lul
versed sinew
theyre already planning dazed/swag/azk team so
seems very very likely its going to happen now
toxic yacht
he's probably gonna fail and try to crawl back to OW, but I wish him luck
his CS career was robbed
because of what happened
versed sinew
i dont think hes going to fail
its going to be awhile before they play in anything though
theyve all got to practice being in that kind of setting again
- find 2 more players
pine star
I agree with this
Stop seeking the perfect balance
Just slightly bust some heroes from time to time
toxic yacht
I dunno, I'm fine with like, 15/24 heroes being viable, lul
all I need are for high skill heroes to be balanced
and that niche picks work
blizzard is aware of perfect balance being impossible
solid spear
I mean ideally like 2/3 of the heros at least have a legitmate niche
which weve been closish to before in the past
toxic yacht
twice
to be exact
once during beyblade
and apex S2 meta
note that we call it "apex s2 meta" because there was no prevelant comp
which is why it was heaven
apex S2 is actually highly interesting
it went from the tank meta patch with teams running quad tank in the groups
to LH running triple DPS in the finals
also, dva dives
although zarya was still present
red anvil
apex s2 was meta heaven indeed
toxic yacht
ana was also still an instalock, but you could see how it went from garbage to almost what we have today
red anvil
LH ran darn many different setups in the finale
trippe tank, 2/2/2 rein, dive with d.va and dive with zarya, tripple dps,
if i recall correcetly
solid spear
Zen was already getting played quite a bit by season 2
one could argue the game was heading towards dive anyway but obviously some changes made that more extreme
I just miss McCree being good which hasnt happened since last year lul
toxic yacht
like the totally fucking unnecessary winston buff
red anvil
yeah but it ran towards classic dive equally as d.va dive
and classic dive is better to watch then d.va flying everywhere
solid spear
classic?
red anvil
zarya
solid spear
we werent seeing Zarya dive in season 2
red anvil
well aware
solid spear
red anvil
idk who you are trying to convice
solid spear
?
red anvil
i'm well aware of the metas that were ran in apex s2, so why "no"
obtuse bobcat
Whot do you guys think of doomfist on a gay scale of 1-10
balmy wolf
there's already gay/straight porn of him
so make of that as you will
2 days 
and also Team Netherlands also will play on it too
what's up with these idiots comparing a scene that has nearly 2 decades of growth to this one?
balmy wolf
you completely forgot the period of 1.6 and Source
CSGO is just the latest iteration of the esport that is known as CS, that's it
F0rest, Neo, N0thing and a lot of other 1.6 veterans are playing in T1 teams in CSGO at this moment
so to say that CSGO blew up in 2013 without understanding the pedigree and history behind it is foolish
wintry matrix
Keep 1 x BGH 0 btw
balmy wolf
stream?
balmy wolf
coolio
balmy wolf
yeah
wintry matrix
yep, Keep is the closest team to them
balmy wolf
Spicy Boys reunited
they registered for a weekly but not showing up in the bracket
solid spear
nice
balmy wolf
"I've seen so many posts in these forums accusing us of both sides of the coin; that we only balance around casuals and that we only balance around pros.
Both are tremendous oversimplifications of what our thought process is. We feel responsible for all aspects of the game. And when we talk about balance changes we spend a lot of time discussing the ramifications at all levels of play. We're not blind to either side of the game and we will continue to represent both as well. Some decisions will be more targeted towards one group or another -- but always with deep consideration for what that means to the other side."
TLDR OW is balancing for all skills tier
supple nymph
clever wagon
The Hog reworkd sure didnt seem like it went through "deep considerations" when it was just pushed to love from PTR with barely any changes
wintry matrix
BGH reverse swept, what a game
balmy wolf
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2J2GvMgIbc btw, Semmler and Anders casted for OW Open
clever portal
Mei Reaper McRee 3 DPS 
balmy wolf
@clever wagon the Hog nerf clearly was targeted more to casuals
and they probably thought that the pro can just aimed using him
clever wagon
"same DPS" 
I mean, as they themselves said
Perception is stronger
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
If you perceive Hog to "still have the same DPS", then you do you... You clearly aren't even trying to put yourself in the mindset of high ladder or pros. Maybe not even the established basic Hog pre-rework play
Doubt that you could anyway, after all that's gone through
This has been the first circlejerk skit for the day by yours truly
๐๐ป
solid spear
._.
balmy wolf
gusty notch
balmy wolf
all of these Pepe emotes 
supple nymph
clever wagon
72 already 
that's awfully quick
limber pine
compOW usually gets lots of comments quickly for controversal topics
supple nymph
limber pine
example: tim and stanky "leaving" OW
clever wagon
Kruiseboi new vid pogguchompu
clever wagon
Josh bringing in that discipline SeemsGood
supple nymph
did you see the random pic he posted of a dirty urinal
balmy wolf
it'd be already decent
clever wagon
Twitter
clever wagon
You assumed I would be playing comp, but I stopped since getting S5 placements 
limber pine
compOW is so wierd sometimes
balmy wolf
that's assuming that he isn't in the thread to begins with
limber pine
Jeff is everywhere
supple nymph
he actually posts in r/overwatch occasionally
i dont know if he's ever posted in r/cow
i cant imagine why not
limber pine
I think Bill and Nate are the only ones to post on compOW
supple nymph
maybe he secretly does think about the pro scene but if he did why doesn't he just say something about it
demonstrate the smallest interest in compow
and everyone would feel so much better
clever wagon
I mean if I could I would've stayed all day to watch such a tournament
balmy wolf
@limber pine https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6pdukz/prolikechro_saying_something_a_lot_of_people_need/
who deleted that full column of comments?
IIRC that columns was heated but it wasn't delete materials
elfin anvil
im looking for a smurf that can take me out of bronze
wary falcon
balmy wolf
wrong order and wrong channel
clever wagon
Make that a wrong server too
Oh wait, he's not really asking for account boosting
But a carrier
Meh, same difference
@balmy wolf OP is same guy as https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6oxqk4/is_it_true_korean_players_mutually_agree_to_no/dkl4qkp/
Figure he's got a screw loose or two in his head
ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
balmy wolf
@clever wagon goes to show how easy it is to pretend to be a smartass
clever wagon
balmy wolf
link context 
clever wagon
balmy wolf
I mean the post he was responding to idiot
clever wagon
Jesus what the fuck is up with people in e-d resorting to insults
And you can fucking read imbecile, it's only 3 fucking replies
Goddamn
All you had to do is click on view the rest or the title
If I were new here I could easily mistake you with the fucking average dumb redditor
balmy wolf
wew lad
vestal mortar
No fighting pls, this is my safe space for discussing esports. ๐ญ
gusty notch
rapid oxide
Twitter
feral solar
rapid oxide
๐ฟ btw
balmy wolf
Because it isnt
The only AZK has said is "I never thought this day would come, thank you all"
paraphrasing here
wintry matrix
tbh it's very easy to assume he would go, tho i guess i don't know if AZK ever expressed hate for OW/interest in coming back
clever portal
Also who said he's one of the best players 
clever portal
Don't League fans claim cs is dying?
warm totem
well dunno
pine star
As someone who watches League, the average League fan is delusional to inimaginable levels
warm totem
doubt it is
warm totem
yup at least
pine star
League fans are the more insecure esports fans out there for some reason
Also, wew what the hell happened between Polo and Gankyou
clever portal
In here?
pine star
Yeah
wary falcon
i saw thread on r/globaloffensive
about how ow is shit and azk should switch to cs go asap
clever portal
rapid oxide
CSGO is not dying but it's stable
rapid oxide
You guys are overlooking twitch views
clever portal
It's not my opinion
I was just saying many make fun of CS
Calling it a 'dying' game
wary falcon
ะกS is dying since 2011
toxic yacht
the amount of hate that ow gets from other esport fans is ridiculous
lol
so much salt
also, feels a bit like insecurity
balmy wolf
it is the new kid on the block
of course it is going to get some hate
and it is easier to shit on Blizz because of their shit record with their esport
pine star
Dubai's Laser Kittenz 
balmy wolf
or Munchkin is out of 
pine star
They wouldn't hype it up like that if they were bad news
Twitter
There's a lot of people saying they feel disgusted we represented them... it's all right. We feel disgusted representing people like that too
balmy wolf
@pine star roster changes aren't always bad news
but for all the hype about Munchkin and his seemingly only ok performance so far, not surprise he was going to get drop
Logix tho
pine star
Well, that together with the fact that I'm fat, bald, my girlfriend's gonna leave me and my mother is a whore
clever wagon
Twitter
toxic yacht
wtf is this
clever wagon
"Some of us are proud of you" and whatever the rest is
pine star
@clever wagon
What a meal! Enjoy it and don't mind the haters, some of us are proud of you
toxic yacht
tfw SEA and I forgot that a bunch of you understand a bit of spanish
clever wagon
What
pine star
I'm not sea...
toxic yacht
no you
pine star
Ah lol
balmy wolf
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/6peo17/i_present_to_you_downfall_a_complete_overhaul_and/ also, this motherfucking thread
toxic yacht
so he wants to make OW quake?
balmy wolf
just read
pine star
@toxic yacht Colombian
balmy wolf
the part that spell idiotic to me is the OP disable Ana and let Mercy in instead
clever wagon
I'm SEA, specifically Indonesia but was that directed to me?
toxic yacht
lmao
clever wagon
Post link instead REEEE
toxic yacht
ya, that was directed at you, although, I'm not sure if that only applies sto philipinos
pine star
@toxic yacht ๐ซ
clever wagon
Nah Philippines mostly
pine star
You fuck
clever portal
What a custom game
toxic yacht
3 of the highest skillcap heroes
clever portal
Seriously just make it McRee only
clever portal
But why has he increased ttk?
That usually high in overwatch
Because you can dodge so much
In other games it feels like insta kill in comparison to overwatch
pine star
Adding acceleration would solve that, but it's still a shit show of a mode
toxic yacht
ow has high ttk but stupid high burst damage and really high healing
so he probably means that
clever wagon
But did even McSniper 2 shot every 200HP hero on the body back in the day?
rapid oxide
Maybe ow gets hate because have huge potential maybe?
The target user is wider than other esport
All can enjoy ow, from casual to hardcore, kids and older ppl
balmy wolf
@pine star someone earlier drop that Munchkin announced in his Afreeca stream that he is FA
not Sopti but another equivalent lol
pine star
I'm still hoping for an OWL announcement lol
balmy wolf
Logix to is infinitely more likely
pine star
Why not both?
clever wagon
[SK] Vace | Soe โค
Let's not sugarcoat the fact that we have yet to achieve the best result possible for this
balmy wolf
clever portal
Has anyone seen Sopti and Serene online at the same time?
pine star
clever portal
Who would win
clever wagon
https://twitter.com/MisfitsTviQuE/status/889840698660458496 TviQ getting his long awaited kebabs
clever wagon
Eating on PC desk
clever portal
Other people don't do that?
blazing parrot
clever wagon
Munchkin? yeah
clever portal
:slowpoke:
red anvil
LK spooking off there Korean? ๐ฆ
pine star
I'm listening to the most casual of casuals Overwatch podcast talk about OWL
They're excited as hell for the skins (no shit lol)
But they say they've not payed attention to the current competitive scene because they know it's all gonna change and they're kinda waiting for OWL to come out
clever wagon
What podcast is this even
pine star
Some random irrelevant podcast
pine star
But kinda makes you thonk
toxic yacht
that's exactly what blizzard is planning, lul
pine star
It's called the legendary loot box or something
clever wagon
Name checks out
toxic yacht
also, imo koth cap rate should be altered
tbh
make it bo3 with a slower cap rate
would make it fairer and also avoid the issue of bo3 being so short
while not going for bo5 which relies on RNG
pine star
Worse than 2cp
wintry matrix
btw, anyone know something about Shadder saying liquid is kill? it was from his stream apparently
i got that from the csgo thread, so it maybe be bs
pine star
BINGO
Second kinda casual podcast talking about OWL
I mean viewership is not that good right now because people are just waiting for the league
pine star
toxic yacht
cries in a corner
pine star
Blizzard was right all along confirmed
wintry matrix
i wouldn't say great, but the WC numbers are good right? all things considered
toxic yacht
well, technically
we are waiting for the league
because blizzard killed everything else
balmy wolf
is kill? Wut
toxic yacht
wintry matrix
someone on the CSGO sub said shadder said something like in his stream
pine star
I watched a competitive stream on Twitch and it's not really that hard to follow
The guy doesn't play OW btw
There's hope 4Head
balmy wolf
where is this from
pine star
It's obvious podcast it's called
wintry matrix
sometimes when i'm "lazy-watching" i get confused, like, sometimes i feel like i have to focus
pine star
I'm just surfing thru random podcasts with Overwatch League tags lol
wintry matrix
oh shit, LK also left the coach
pine star
One of the things I love about Overwatch is that it has this great cast of characters with so much team opportunities
In the context by team opportunities he means compositions
You poor soul
You poor, poor soul
wintry matrix
not yet, Japan gave us hope
balmy wolf
@wintry matrix Spazzo or Cella?
wintry matrix
named
clever portal
TwoEasy 
pine star
Netherlands and Germany not serious teams confirmed smh
wary falcon
they are doomed with 2easy
clever portal
He is the problem?
wary falcon
he always was the problem
red anvil
rapid oxide
It's hard to spectate and understand but its waaaay easier than a moba
People just love to cj and shit on Blizzards
red anvil
if i started watching dota or leauge i'd be 10 times more clueless then if i was a new player to OW
i got into OW super easily, not tried dota or leauge, mobas not for me
vestal mortar
Me too
toxic yacht
this "new viewers won't understand shit xd" argument makes zero sense, lul
it's just shit that people who want to see OW fail say
like, legit
have you ever looked at a moba?
I have a hard time believing that someone will get turned off by OW but be mesmerized by DotA or LoL
wary falcon
Dota fights looks epic even for newbie
rapid oxide
True
But you don't understand nothing if you are a newbie its a fact
50+ heroes 5 spell each
pine star
I believe the thing is, MOBAs are harder to understand and have a lot of downtime but they're all f2p
rapid oxide
It's "easy" to spectate just because everyone played it
toxic yacht
dota fights look like a jumbled worthless mess to me
rapid oxide
Just take a new moba amd you wouldn't understand nothing
pine star
So a casual would just like "oh this shit has pros, I'll just download the game and check it out"
toxic yacht
nothing epic about it
pine star
Exactly
toxic yacht
just pure lol
rapid oxide
Dota team fight are epic
toxic yacht
but I won't go claimign that it's unwatchable and that no one will pick it up
rapid oxide
Colors and sound are wow
toxic yacht
because I personally think taht it looks like shit
toxic yacht
mobas look like garbage to me
wary falcon
plus Dota casters are way better than OW
toxic yacht
but I'm not talking about how mobas are literally doomed because of it
clever portal
Faker 
pine star
Still, point being I think the main factor is just the f2p nature of MOBAs
vestal mortar
They also doesn't appeal to me in the slightest but I know a lot of people who are really into them.
rapid oxide
A better version of chess ppl say
I repeat, moba are easy to understand because are played a lot
Not because its easy itself
pine star
Because they're f2p
rapid oxide
CSGO and FG are. 9999999999 time more easy to understand than mobas
But more player base, higher cj
Moba player would argue.moba are easier than csgo to understand
pine star
That being said, people over exaggerate when saying OW is unwatchable
rapid oxide
Orly
wary falcon
CS:GO is quite hard to understand for beginners except part "team A attacks and tries to plant C4, team B defends"
rapid oxide
lol moba deepth is way higher
vestal mortar
pine star
CSGO is easier to get started on, but casuals won't get its strategic depth right away, that's the case for literally every esports title
wary falcon
so is Dota
rapid oxide
So is OW
pine star
DotA is not easy to get started on lol
rapid oxide
I would say RL is just hit the ball
vestal mortar
pine star
I mean as someone who hasn't played the game
rapid oxide
But that's not true
wary falcon
I started to watch Dota in 2009 i guess
vestal mortar
Exactly
rapid oxide
You underestimate OW depth just because you cj CS
solid spear
Oh we know you stopped posting on Sopti on Wednesday when this account was made
shut kelp
My pc 
clever portal
Serene is Sopti 
rapid oxide
And being top ladder means shit
clever portal
But you can log in with the same account
shut kelp
Lazy to find my password
solid spear
If you have your email you can reset your password
shut kelp
I Will try ty
rapid oxide
The easy to spectate debate will never have a truth winner
wary falcon
but have a loser
rapid oxide
It's personal
wary falcon
(Overwatch)
vestal mortar
Are we being baited? ๐ค
solid spear
We play the game though
rapid oxide
I understand the game since 2016
wary falcon
Idk last time i played this game i had around 4.2k
rapid oxide
I didn't had the ge
wary falcon
and i found this game is hard to watch
solid spear
I know a couple friends who don't play the game that find the game very hard to watch
rapid oxide
Game
wary falcon
especially with free flying cam
solid spear
This meta is also kinda bad for spectating as well
pine star
@solid spear same
solid spear
Idk about every game, but yeah some others are like that
toxic yacht
lul, zaprey
pine star
Zaprey looks so awkward in that video lol
crisp lynx
It is joke a little, munchkin is famous for not knowing korean grammar.
0 languages is his meme.
crisp lynx
clever portal
Learning languages is not easy
Also I think they live in Berlin?
Not exactly the right place to be learning English
crisp lynx
he was worried about wrist in stream. said he could have surgery.
solid spear
Ah rip
crisp lynx
As i remember, EU lcs production & teams also placed in Berlin.
some koreans in there.
pine star
Because it bothers him and he wants it to
If I was done before this, I'm even doner now
clever portal
Dรถner 
thick cosmos
I think it would be cool if you could change the color of the blade slashes and the color of the green that comes when you shoot shurikens
pine star
It makes no sense from an UX point of view
There's a reason why enemy ults look red and allied ults look "default"
It's not just for the fuck of it
red anvil
btw @crisp lynx, your familiar with half of Runaway accusing Leave, MVs tracer player of cheating?
i heard it mentioned in a different discord
thick cosmos
Ik i still think it would be cool
crisp lynx
i didnt' saw runaway's match in nexus cup. only i heard runner doubted my's dps.
and heard he had a rumor before.
red anvil
alright, ty ^^ was just curious if you knew anything more
red anvil
People was just sick of him farming content of every little thing
so he went some place else to make content, not really suprising
and Kalios to AFB? as a sub or?
crisp lynx
yes. zarya player.
donghyun rest. so they need some offtank
about script i cannot make right decision about whether someone use script or not
clever portal
So Kalios got his team situation fixed?
crisp lynx
yes.
red anvil
yeah i know was just curious who said what ๐
balmy wolf
who would have thought a bigger org would fix the contract situation quicker
every goddamn time
somebody does something and everyone just jump on it like mindless critters looking for foods
limber pine
sounds normal
balmy wolf
the more i read r/compow the more it make me want to blow my head
red anvil
i'd love to see a 2 full stack tier 1 teams try to anti dive
and watch the junkrat antidive dreams go up in flames
balmy wolf
the problem with non mirror match up is that if there's an optimal comp with limited counterplay
it is best to actually just run it by yourself
vs them
and out executes them.
it is rather telling the only period in OW where's there's diversity is when only some aspects were nerfed. But that went completely out of the windows already
so right now if that anti dive comp turns out to be good, people will either a. use it against each other and force mirror comp or b. someone will figure out how to dive on it and the status quo stays the same
wintry matrix
i remember Yongbongtang saying that the rein/zarya/reaper could be the beginning of a rock-paper-scissors meta
balmy wolf
do assuming dive is paper
anti dive tank is rock
which is going to be the scissors?
wintry matrix
i dunno, it was off on memory, he said that in the SK showmatch
red anvil
even RJH said he dont see zarya back in any meta before tracer gets nerfed
balmy wolf
i'm not particularly convinced of that due to how the game works tbh
red anvil
he can obviously be wrong, but he got a valid point, zarya is weak af. to tracer
tight vault
any thing happening today for ow esports ?
balmy wolf
that would inherently favors the attackers teams a lot
due to you know, the ability to change quicker
red anvil
but then again she is weak to any dps
balmy wolf
who'd stop people from peeking, see what the defense run, and then go back to change?
thick cosmos
@balmy wolf scissors would be a counter to the anti dive that gets countered by dive i guess. And i think you mean dive is rock and anti dive is paper.
supple nymph
solid spear
._.
Yeah thought they'd go something like this oh well guess well see of it helps
Characters way less fun to play anyway and they killed what hes been for a year and half 
Wonder what "some other hero changes" are
solid spear
I'm pretty sure we won't see it until contenders if Im not mistaken
spring lintel
Why
solid spear
Were to you not referring to Roadhog
spring lintel
No
solid spear
Idk what you're talking about my b
spring lintel
Leeme get the comp for u
balmy wolf
thats the theory, but who?
what comp?
and what to stop the attacker from just switching?
solid spear
If its the SK, KDU stuff people need to chill with that
spring lintel
Miraculous Youngster invented a comp that is destroying the dive meta... And SK tested today against KD Uncia. KDU's dive got stomped by SK's anti-dive.
SK used today: Reinhardt, Zarya, Lucio, Ana, Junkrat/Mei and McCree/Reaper/Soldier
Here's the match SK vs KDU: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/161591351
I dunno i skimmed through it and ppl seemed hyped
vital kernel
If we start to see Junkrat at the pro level I'll be so happy
vestal mortar
I am happy with Junkrat staying as a niche pick, personally. ๐
wintry matrix
maybe by RPS he meant more of a soft counter
balmy wolf
yeah really
wintry matrix
as in, these 3 counter each other, but not to complete invalidate
balmy wolf
one instance of it and suddenly DAE DIVE DEAD?
and geezus, that's not invention. That's literally just old KOTH 2/2/2
why are you people keep forgetting about the past this much??
but my question stills remains
what's there to stop the attacker from switching the heroes to hard counter it?
gusty notch
Did kdu switch to counter it
spring lintel
What stops any team from switching?
solid spear
hopefully some OW stuff is announced soon
non Contenders teams dont seem to have much of anything to look forward to atm
balmy wolf
Even OW Open was only 300k.
balmy wolf
@spring lintel defense doesnt have that choice
spring lintel
Laser kitten owl spot confirmed
balmy wolf
clever portal
Stability for 16 teams
tight vault
balmy wolf
Still better than none.
tight vault
pine star
Hog buffs
pine star
50% damage reduction + full speed movement while taking a breather
rapid oxide
am i the only one that read
tight vault
time to main him again
solid spear
we saw
clever portal
solid spear
but until its announced
rapid oxide
or its for hog
solid spear
theres nothing to say
pine star
Supposedly will be in the PTR soonโข
clever portal
Those changes make 0 difference
solid spear
"(along with some other hero changes) "
clever portal
Him not being able to heal is the problem 
balmy wolf
wait where did you see this
pine star
clever portal
He already does if he's a bit further away
So I'm guessing his heal is going to become a cheese?
tight vault
is his gun a bastion turrent yet?
pine star
This makes him an actual tank
tight vault
more hog in esports
red anvil
i'm still in favor of halfing ult gain by shooting roadhog
pine star
Oh right
versed sinew
"We plan on throwing this up on the PTR asap (along with some other hero changes) "
tight vault
JEFF ANSWERS
clever portal
Changes aka McRee nerf
solid spear
I still think damagae resistance in general is fucking lazy balancing but whatever
clever portal
Or Pharah nerf
versed sinew
why mccree nerf tho
pine star
I like it
versed sinew
they do hate mccree so i wouldnt put it past them
clever portal
Let's change some random characters
pine star
You can farm less ult charge from him while healing
balmy wolf
They're gonna nerf pharah because everyone is complaining about pharmercy
when in reality mercy is the problem
pine star
And properly alternating hook and heal cooldowns he can theoretically be front line 100% of the time
red anvil
lets nerf symmetra
pine star
Fucking slow ass mobile Discord rreeeeeee
versed sinew
yeah but do they know that
tight vault
so doomfist thursday right?
solid spear
correct
balmy wolf
I'd say its PTR today
tight vault
doomfist and event 
balmy wolf
It'll just be doomfist
red anvil
we'll see if its new event, but i doubt it
balmy wolf
new event the week after or 2 weeks after
red anvil
i dont think the event will be a major patch though
versed sinew
most likely next tuesday
balmy wolf
what do you mean major patch
red anvil
major patch is a .full number, like 1.14, or 1.11
balmy wolf
of course it wont be
doomfist is 1.13
its not going to go up a full number in 1 patch
red anvil
but it does mean there will be a big update next month also
we just dont know what yet
solid spear
you see DF and existing balance changes on Thursday and probably PTR stuff from today with summer games in a couple weeks
if I had to guess